Courage the Cowardly Dog

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[00:00:44] It was just a card with the number on it. Like there wasn't- That's Babe Station. Yeah, there wasn't like anything actually on the telly. And I was like, yes, I'll call these people. They know. They'll have information I need.

[00:00:55] Last night, Laura and I were having a conversation about one of the more annoying things about getting older is that you develop preferences for things. Really innocuous preferences.

[00:01:33] And I feel like I've mentioned this before on the podcast. But like, once you've started, like for example, once you've started buying the expensive toilet paper, you don't want to stop buying the expensive toilet paper.

[00:01:46] It's kind of like you learn your own rights.

[00:01:48] I spend a lot of money on socks because I have a sock preference because all the other socks don't fulfill my sock brief.

[00:01:59] And you kind of underwear.

[00:02:01] And now I don't have to deal with socks that go like loose and baggy and twist around your foot and fall down.

[00:02:11] I've learned a new quality of living and I don't want to go back to how my life was before that.

[00:02:16] So what's the brand we might end up with a crate of them?

[00:02:19] Adidas.

[00:02:20] Really?

[00:02:20] Yeah.

[00:02:21] I like a nice...

[00:02:21] Do you know, have you noticed that I exclusively wear Adidas socks or is that not a thing that you'll notice on a person?

[00:02:26] No.

[00:02:27] I like a Pringle.

[00:02:28] A tube sock?

[00:02:29] No, a Pringle sock.

[00:02:31] That is a brand of socks.

[00:02:33] They're so thick and nice.

[00:02:35] It's like walking on crunchy snow.

[00:02:37] Ooh.

[00:02:37] Yes, you're really, really thick like thermal socks that you've got.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:43] Sorry, that just reminded me of something I wanted to talk about.

[00:02:46] I wanted to talk about something, a news thing slash announcement thing I saw this week.

[00:02:51] And you saying Pringle reminded me.

[00:02:54] Capri Sun are getting rid of the pouches.

[00:02:56] They are, yeah.

[00:02:57] Are they getting rid of them?

[00:02:59] Or are they doing bottles as well?

[00:03:00] No, they're getting rid of the pouches.

[00:03:02] Then what's the point?

[00:03:03] They're not even good enough.

[00:03:04] Right?

[00:03:04] Like the pouch is what you're paying for.

[00:03:06] Like I don't want to drink shitty orange juice.

[00:03:09] I want a pouch of juice.

[00:03:10] Have we ever mentioned on the podcast before that Laura-

[00:03:14] Almost certainly, yes.

[00:03:15] Yeah, Laura after her final exam in second year sent me a message that was like,

[00:03:22] um, finish my exam, gonna make mimosas, picking up orange juice, do you want some?

[00:03:27] When she got home, she said there were no-

[00:03:31] The fridges were broken in the UK shop.

[00:03:32] There was no orange juice.

[00:03:34] So she'd have brought home Capri Suns.

[00:03:37] And there's a reason that Capri Sun pouches aren't see-through because it's not orange

[00:03:42] in a gray way.

[00:03:43] Yeah.

[00:03:44] It's a weird color.

[00:03:45] Like it's, it's like, oh, there's a whisper of orange and it's a bit cloudy.

[00:03:49] Yeah.

[00:03:50] Yeah.

[00:03:50] It's very strange.

[00:03:51] And when you put champagne in that, what happens?

[00:03:53] It does look like champagne, to be honest with you.

[00:03:56] It's a bit cloudier.

[00:03:57] It was, it was serviceable.

[00:03:59] Serviceable, yeah.

[00:03:59] You would not normally want to sully champagne with a Capri Sun if you could help it, I suppose.

[00:04:04] But hey, here you go.

[00:04:06] Getting older.

[00:04:07] Fucking expensive taste.

[00:04:08] Capri Sun's not good enough for my mimosas anymore.

[00:04:12] It was like 11.30 in the morning when I finished the exam or something.

[00:04:16] It was.

[00:04:16] It was fucking well early.

[00:04:17] So I was like, oh, I can't just have champagne.

[00:04:19] That would be too alcoholic of me.

[00:04:22] So let's have mimosas because that's fine if you add juice of some kind.

[00:04:26] I think in a lot of ways I live more like a student now than I did when I was a student.

[00:04:31] But that is not something that I would do, I don't think.

[00:04:33] There's like a variation in some of, like, because I fully agree that as you get older

[00:04:37] you get these, like, preferences.

[00:04:38] But some of them were, like, built into me young because both my parents are fucking snobs.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Like, what, like, I have always, the whole time you've known me, turned my nose up at some

[00:04:48] champagne.

[00:04:49] Only the highest quality cocaine for Laura Connelly.

[00:04:53] I have never and have no interest genuinely in doing cocaine.

[00:04:57] This is not making the cut.

[00:04:58] Anyway.

[00:04:59] Oh, it might.

[00:05:00] The Pringles sock thing.

[00:05:01] The reason I thought of that because in the same thing I saw this thing about Capri Sun,

[00:05:05] someone was like, it'd be like Pringles without the tube.

[00:05:08] You don't want a bag of Pringles.

[00:05:09] Why would you ever want a bag?

[00:05:11] Like, I don't want a bottle.

[00:05:12] That's so true.

[00:05:12] I don't want a bag of Pringles.

[00:05:13] I don't want a bottle of Capri Sun.

[00:05:15] I want a fucking pouch.

[00:05:16] The reason Pringles come in a tube is because I don't have enough structural integrity to

[00:05:20] withstand a bag.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:22] And the reason Capri Sun.

[00:05:23] And neither do I.

[00:05:26] The reason Capri Sun is in a pouch is because the second you actually look at it, you're

[00:05:30] like, oh no.

[00:05:32] I don't want to.

[00:05:34] We were shocked when we said that out.

[00:05:37] We thought, no one's ever looked to the side.

[00:05:39] No one's ever decanted Capri Sun.

[00:05:41] What a bonkers thing to do.

[00:05:43] They've gotten away with it for too long.

[00:05:44] You pierce it with the straw and then squeeze it out the hole.

[00:05:47] It was one with one of the big ones.

[00:05:49] So you took a cap off.

[00:05:51] Oh, those.

[00:05:51] And the big ones were off caps.

[00:05:53] Okay, sure.

[00:05:54] Like, you know, like the fruit.

[00:05:55] Ella's smoothies.

[00:05:56] Yeah, the fruit pouches that you drink as a kid.

[00:05:58] Those, yeah.

[00:05:58] I never did.

[00:05:59] I always assumed they were a very new brand for new babies.

[00:06:02] Ella's is quite new, but that thing has existed for a while.

[00:06:06] Portable baby food.

[00:06:07] Yes.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:08] Okay.

[00:06:10] My aunt has a friend that worked for Ella's and she was like,

[00:06:13] the lengths they go to to get their ingredients is crazy.

[00:06:17] Like, they source the broccoli from a place that's like miles away from any highways because...

[00:06:23] Well, it is.

[00:06:23] It's very, it's very clapham.

[00:06:26] It's very, it's very yummy mummy to have your kid with an Ella pouch walking around.

[00:06:32] You want the best thing, you want the best food for your kids.

[00:06:34] And they make it quite easy.

[00:06:35] When I was a child, not a child, when I was a baby, my dad said that there was some baby food, like jars, that he'd hope I wouldn't finish.

[00:06:48] Because of the sauce?

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:50] Bananas and strawberries.

[00:06:51] Oh, that's disgusting.

[00:06:52] The chocolate pudding one.

[00:06:53] Why is it disgusting?

[00:06:54] It just, the idea of a pre-digested food.

[00:06:58] It's not pre-digested.

[00:06:59] It's just blenders.

[00:07:00] A lot of baby food is pre-digested.

[00:07:02] It has enzymes in it to make it easier for the...

[00:07:05] Oh, but it's not actually been in someone's stomach.

[00:07:07] No, I know, but the idea of it is still icky to me.

[00:07:10] The pudding ones are great.

[00:07:12] Okay.

[00:07:12] Yeah, well, I mean, chocolate pudding baby food is not going to be that different to chocolate pudding, is it?

[00:07:18] Well, sure.

[00:07:18] Because it's got, it's no, it's not solid in any way.

[00:07:22] I've had some relatively recently because of my cousins, but, and it's like, carrot?

[00:07:27] Fucking weird.

[00:07:28] The roast dinner one?

[00:07:30] Very, very strange.

[00:07:31] All the pudding ones?

[00:07:32] Pretty good.

[00:07:34] We interrupt this program to bring you Courage, the Cowardly Dog Show!

[00:07:38] Starring Courage, the Cowardly Dog!

[00:07:42] And as a pup, he was found by Muriel, who lives in the middle of nowhere with her husband, Eustace Bain!

[00:07:49] But creepy stuff happens in nowhere.

[00:07:51] It's up to Courage to save his new home!

[00:08:02] It's a special edition of the podcast today because Elsie's not leading it.

[00:08:07] Elsie was busy.

[00:08:09] I was busy.

[00:08:10] One of two episodes that we've done so far that isn't actually led by you.

[00:08:14] What's the other one?

[00:08:16] Nanny McPhee.

[00:08:17] That's right, yes.

[00:08:19] And the triple...

[00:08:20] Halloween extravaganza, yeah.

[00:08:22] We shared it.

[00:08:23] Got a lot of notes.

[00:08:25] Oh, you do have a lot of notes.

[00:08:26] Look at that.

[00:08:28] Take it away.

[00:08:29] So we're doing Courage, the Cowardly Dog, which neither of you two had seen, right?

[00:08:35] No, I haven't seen it.

[00:08:36] I'd seen bits of it, but I didn't have Cartoon Network, which I think it was on Cartoon Network, yeah.

[00:08:41] What's KTV? Do either of you know?

[00:08:43] No, I don't.

[00:08:44] Right.

[00:08:44] I just, I mean, I was hoping one of you two would know.

[00:08:46] I'm just going to double check what it is because KTV bought it and I think it's a UK company.

[00:08:51] So a lot of things that Laura wants to cover on the pod, me and Meg have not really any concept of.

[00:08:59] A lot of requests that we get.

[00:09:02] I was more privileged than Rishi Sunak because I had Sky.

[00:09:04] Because you had Sky.

[00:09:05] Well, we know that a lot of you did have Cartoon Network.

[00:09:10] You rich cunts.

[00:09:12] No.

[00:09:14] People that actually know things about the Disney Channel, it's like a foreign language to me.

[00:09:18] Oh yeah, me too.

[00:09:19] Like I know the titles, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about them.

[00:09:22] Like I was thoroughly a CBBC and ITV child.

[00:09:26] Me too.

[00:09:27] Not watched a single Disney Channel.

[00:09:28] We were.

[00:09:29] Disney Channel, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon.

[00:09:31] Very, very infrequently did we go CBBs or any of the ones that are actually British.

[00:09:37] But yeah, so Courage, the Cowardly Dog first premiered in 1999.

[00:09:41] You're a little bit older than it.

[00:09:42] A few months, Meg.

[00:09:44] That's me, yeah.

[00:09:45] On Cartoon Network.

[00:09:46] It was created by John Dilworth and it ran until 2002.

[00:09:50] So the show began as an animated short on Hannibal Bear's Water Cartoon, which was like

[00:09:55] an anthology series for different animated stuff.

[00:09:59] Like little shorts.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] Nice.

[00:10:01] I don't know if they were all like very short or if some of them were the full episodes.

[00:10:05] I'm not sure because I didn't watch that.

[00:10:07] But so the short slash pilot episode of Courage, the Cowardly Dog was called The Chicken from

[00:10:13] Outer Space.

[00:10:15] It was actually nominated for an Academy Award.

[00:10:17] This I knew.

[00:10:18] For best short film.

[00:10:19] Because it was, well, I'm sure you'll tell us.

[00:10:22] It was beat out by Wallace and Gromit at Close Shave.

[00:10:25] Yeah, fair enough.

[00:10:26] You know.

[00:10:27] Worthy competition.

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:29] It was mostly dialogue free.

[00:10:31] I think Courage says like one line in the whole thing.

[00:10:35] Which is what a lot of the episodes are like.

[00:10:38] Yeah.

[00:10:38] He says a line.

[00:10:40] He says one sentence.

[00:10:41] Because he is verbal.

[00:10:42] But yeah, he does.

[00:10:44] But rarely.

[00:10:45] Like I feel like in the early ones he was speaking a lot more.

[00:10:48] Yeah.

[00:10:49] Because I didn't remember him talking.

[00:10:52] No, I don't remember.

[00:10:53] And I've just watched some.

[00:10:55] Like when he, I remember a couple of years ago I went back to watch some and he spoke

[00:11:00] and I was like, what the fuck?

[00:11:01] Since when did you speak?

[00:11:03] Because all I remember him doing was making like yipping and barky noises at the humans

[00:11:08] in the show.

[00:11:09] And there's some episodes I watched today where he does both.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:13] Mattress special?

[00:11:15] With our mattress, we'll change your life forever.

[00:11:23] Oh, so exciting.

[00:11:26] Are you ready to change your life forever?

[00:11:33] Oh, yes.

[00:11:35] I want to change my life forever.

[00:11:37] This sounds too good to be true.

[00:11:39] We have a special on our deluxe life-changing mattress.

[00:11:48] It's soft.

[00:11:50] Oh, soft.

[00:11:57] Lumps.

[00:11:58] Oh, no, I don't like lumps.

[00:12:00] We've got lumps.

[00:12:01] We'll send it right over.

[00:12:03] My address is...

[00:12:05] We know.

[00:12:06] We've been waiting for you.

[00:12:09] I've always wanted a new mattress.

[00:12:16] He speaks to the camera because the humans don't...

[00:12:21] If he's speaking, the humans don't understand him.

[00:12:24] So, yeah.

[00:12:25] It sounds like, to me at the time, that Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network were both really

[00:12:30] willing to invest in creativity and weird stuff.

[00:12:33] And the executives were willing to gamble on interesting and new stuff, which is not the

[00:12:38] case anymore.

[00:12:39] Yeah.

[00:12:40] We spoke a little bit about that with the Rugrats episode, right?

[00:12:44] Yeah.

[00:12:45] He actually...

[00:12:46] Dilworth worked on the opening for Rugrats.

[00:12:49] Oh, no way.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:50] He did loads of animation stuff.

[00:12:52] I feel like a lot of animators came out of the Klasky Chupo company.

[00:12:58] They made Rugrats.

[00:13:00] You remember, yeah.

[00:13:02] Yeah, I literally was trying to look at the current state of things with Cartoon Network

[00:13:06] and Warner Brothers announced that, which owns Hanna-Barbera Studios, Cartoon Network,

[00:13:11] all that, they will be focusing on creating...

[00:13:15] established IP animated shows for different age groups.

[00:13:18] And I was like...

[00:13:19] Great.

[00:13:20] So, you just announced that you're not going to be original.

[00:13:22] Cool.

[00:13:22] Yeah.

[00:13:23] Love it.

[00:13:23] So, just making more of what we've got.

[00:13:25] Yeah.

[00:13:26] Which I've seen for a long time on Cartoon Network, because what it currently is now

[00:13:29] is, like, stuff that I watched as a kid, but the characters are just, like, mini.

[00:13:36] Like the...

[00:13:36] Like Minnie Mouse?

[00:13:38] No, no, no, no.

[00:13:39] Like smaller.

[00:13:40] Oh, I see.

[00:13:42] Oh, because that's Disney, obviously.

[00:13:44] What's that?

[00:13:45] Do you guys...

[00:13:46] Oh, Teen Titans.

[00:13:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:13:48] So there's now Teen Titans Go, I think is currently on telly.

[00:13:51] And what it is, is just small versions of the ones from when I watched as a kid.

[00:13:56] Is that as a stylistic choice to make it a bit different?

[00:14:00] Or...

[00:14:00] I think they're just doing that to make existing IPs make just more stuff.

[00:14:07] Because the point of Teen Titans is that it's the sidekicks and smaller anyway.

[00:14:13] So they're just making them extra smaller.

[00:14:16] So rather than them being teenagers and looking like teenagers, they now look like toddlers,

[00:14:21] which is weird.

[00:14:22] But like, they've done...

[00:14:23] Toddler Titans.

[00:14:23] Yeah, they've done this with, like, Ben 10 as well.

[00:14:26] I will accept this for Muppet Babies, and that's as far as my interest in this trope goes.

[00:14:33] They do this occasionally with anime.

[00:14:35] It's called Chibi.

[00:14:36] But usually they're, like, special one-offs where it's like, oh, the Demon Slayer cast

[00:14:41] in kindergarten.

[00:14:42] And it's like, oh, but not a whole show.

[00:14:45] Yeah.

[00:14:46] The timeline of Hanna-Barbera to Cartoon Network confuses me because there seems to be, like,

[00:14:50] a lot of changing hands and mergers and stuff.

[00:14:54] But the thing you need to know is that Cartoon Network took over all of the programming

[00:14:58] production of Hanna-Barbera in, like, the early 2000s.

[00:15:01] And also, confusingly, Cartoon Network Studios Europe changed its name to Hanna-Barbera Studios

[00:15:09] Europe in 2021.

[00:15:11] Like, just...

[00:15:12] I had absolutely no idea that these two things were at all connected.

[00:15:15] It never...

[00:15:16] I never have thought to myself, whatever happened to Hanna-Barbera?

[00:15:20] Yeah.

[00:15:20] But I guess now I know.

[00:15:21] So, as we will discuss in our live show, so Hanna-Barbera owns Scooby-Doo.

[00:15:27] And Scooby-Doo is now a part of Warner Bros. because Time Warner bought Hanna-Barbera in

[00:15:35] the 90s, I think.

[00:15:37] But yeah.

[00:15:38] So, the basic premise of the show is a Monster of the Week show for this family to deal with.

[00:15:45] So, you've got Courage, the dog, Muriel, the woman?

[00:15:48] What?

[00:15:49] I don't know if she...

[00:15:49] Like, the mum?

[00:15:50] The wife?

[00:15:51] Yeah, the owner.

[00:15:52] Like, I don't want to call her the wife or the mum because it's Muriel.

[00:15:56] And then Eustace...

[00:15:58] How do you think you pronounce their last name?

[00:16:01] Well, what is it?

[00:16:01] It's B-A-G-G-E.

[00:16:04] You never hear it in the show, so I have no idea.

[00:16:06] Oh, I don't know then.

[00:16:07] Eustace Bag.

[00:16:08] Yeah, I guess.

[00:16:09] Eustace Bagay.

[00:16:11] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:16:11] Yeah, I didn't even know they had a surname.

[00:16:13] Yeah, so Eustace hates Courage, but I think playfully hates Courage.

[00:16:19] You say that, it's pretty nasty.

[00:16:21] Oh, Eustace.

[00:16:23] I'm sorry for the terrible things I've said.

[00:16:26] That's okay, Muriel.

[00:16:28] Nobody's perfect.

[00:16:30] I wonder where Courage has run off to.

[00:16:33] Who cares?

[00:16:34] I mean, sometimes there's moments of camaraderie between Eustace and Courage.

[00:16:39] When they're both trying to save Muriel.

[00:16:41] Yeah, that's...

[00:16:42] I, to begin with, didn't like Eustace.

[00:16:45] And then as I carried on watching it, I was like, he's actually the only one with his

[00:16:49] head screwed on straight.

[00:16:50] Muriel thinks that Courage is a child.

[00:16:53] And like, I don't want to go into it too early, but there are things that Courage does

[00:16:59] that Eustace is like, that's ridiculous.

[00:17:01] Why?

[00:17:02] And it is ridiculous because it's a dog.

[00:17:05] Muriel goes like, oh, he's just a little dog.

[00:17:09] And Eustace is like, no, the dog shouldn't be sitting at the table.

[00:17:12] And it's like, he's had it with her shit.

[00:17:16] Yeah, but let's be real.

[00:17:17] Do you think that Muriel maybe recognises that this is a dog of exceptional intellect?

[00:17:21] No.

[00:17:22] No?

[00:17:22] Because she is not a woman of any intellect.

[00:17:25] And also, he's...

[00:17:26] I don't even think that Courage has exceptional intellect.

[00:17:30] He actually...

[00:17:31] He's part verbal.

[00:17:33] He fucking...

[00:17:34] He is magnetised to bad luck.

[00:17:38] That's all.

[00:17:39] They all are.

[00:17:39] That's all.

[00:17:40] Okay.

[00:17:41] And he's really, really brave.

[00:17:44] No, he isn't.

[00:17:45] I think he's really...

[00:17:46] Because even though he's terrified, he still goes and faces the food.

[00:17:49] Oh, he's a brave little dog.

[00:17:51] I disagree.

[00:17:52] He's put in a situation where he doesn't have a choice.

[00:17:56] He could run away.

[00:17:57] He could leave.

[00:17:59] No, he couldn't.

[00:18:00] Look at him.

[00:18:01] He's fat and old.

[00:18:02] Or he could get Eustace, but he was always the one dealing with Muriel getting nearly killed.

[00:18:09] Every week.

[00:18:10] Every week.

[00:18:11] He has to save them because she saved him once.

[00:18:14] And now he feels like he has to save them literally every single day.

[00:18:48] Who's the real family?

[00:18:49] Yeah, so Muriel is just a lovely, kind old woman, but chronic...

[00:18:53] She's fucking delusional.

[00:18:55] Yeah, no, so I've written...

[00:18:56] What I've written down is chronically has her blinkers on and just cannot see danger.

[00:19:01] Delulu.

[00:19:02] Yeah.

[00:19:03] So the event...

[00:19:03] Yeah, but I think...

[00:19:04] Sorry to interrupt you again.

[00:19:05] I think that Eustace is...

[00:19:08] Yeah, he's like more pragmatic, but he also does not recognise danger.

[00:19:13] He doesn't know...

[00:19:14] Like, neither of them know when spooky shit is going down.

[00:19:18] Like, he is like, oh, not in my backyard.

[00:19:21] That's stupid.

[00:19:22] And it's like something trying to kill him.

[00:19:24] And she just doesn't even recognise that it's there.

[00:19:26] Like, he is sort of grumpy and upfront about things, but he also doesn't know when his wife's about to get killed by something.

[00:19:34] Yeah, so Courage is always saving Muriel from something for exactly this reason.

[00:19:39] And then the rescuing is completely unseen and unacknowledged by either human.

[00:19:44] They never are like, oh, thanks for saving us.

[00:19:46] They just think things have gone back to normal.

[00:19:48] Yeah, he doesn't seem to mind though.

[00:19:49] No.

[00:19:50] He gets food.

[00:19:51] He doesn't get a choice.

[00:19:53] No.

[00:19:54] Because he's only part verbal.

[00:19:56] And they don't know that he's verbal.

[00:19:58] That's the thing.

[00:19:59] Well, I think it's just his thoughts.

[00:20:01] Like, that's why I think he...

[00:20:02] Like, I don't think humans can understand it.

[00:20:04] No, that's what I thought.

[00:20:06] So Courage is voiced by Marty Grabstein.

[00:20:10] Muriel is voiced by Thea White.

[00:20:14] And Eustace is voiced by Lionel Wilson for the first 33 episodes.

[00:20:19] And then Arthur Anderson for episode 34 to 52.

[00:20:23] And then Wallace Shawn for one episode.

[00:20:27] Which episode is Wallace Shawn?

[00:20:29] The Fog of Courage, which is like a later 3D episode.

[00:20:33] Oh my god.

[00:20:34] Okay.

[00:20:35] Who's Wallace Shawn?

[00:20:36] Oh, you know Wallace Shawn.

[00:20:37] Oh, I know, yeah.

[00:20:38] Princess Bride.

[00:20:39] Yeah.

[00:20:39] And Toy Story and Clueless.

[00:20:43] Okay.

[00:20:43] So animation-wise, because there's like really interesting...

[00:20:47] It's a really aesthetically interesting show, right?

[00:20:50] Yeah.

[00:20:50] Interesting.

[00:20:51] Instead of pleasing.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:53] It's like acid vapor wave.

[00:20:55] In a really ugly way.

[00:20:59] There's like weird neon Bart Simpson smoking playlist episode, YouTube videos.

[00:21:06] You know?

[00:21:06] Oh yeah.

[00:21:07] I'm familiar with Simpsons wave.

[00:21:08] Yeah.

[00:21:09] That kind of like neon is the vibe.

[00:21:13] But they...

[00:21:14] So all the characters are hand-drawn and then rigged.

[00:21:17] Okay.

[00:21:17] So...

[00:21:17] But they tried to ground it in realism, amazingly, with CGI and texture mapping to balance the

[00:21:24] wacky color scheme.

[00:21:25] I did notice that the backgrounds are quite detailed.

[00:21:28] Yeah.

[00:21:28] So the...

[00:21:29] So if you see like the floors, the walls, the sky, that's all very...

[00:21:34] They tried to be quite like realistic with the textures of those, which I thought was interesting.

[00:21:39] There's really wacky stuff happening, but they tried in the production to ground it in realism.

[00:21:45] So there's also...

[00:21:45] And yet their wallpaper is just...

[00:21:49] I mean, you couldn't live in a house like that.

[00:21:51] Who lives in a house like this?

[00:21:53] All of their wallpapers are so ugly.

[00:21:56] So this also extended to how the cameras move or how the shots are planned.

[00:22:00] So there's no wipes.

[00:22:02] There's no pans.

[00:22:03] It's shot, shot, shot because Dilworth said, well, there's no camera moves in real life.

[00:22:08] So they tried to do that in the show as well.

[00:22:11] Oh yeah.

[00:22:13] Whatever applies to real life applies to the show.

[00:22:15] All right, Dilworth.

[00:22:16] No talking dogs in real life.

[00:22:18] And then so soundscape wise, they were like really determined to make it sound really unique.

[00:22:22] And I think they do that really well.

[00:22:24] So he worked with his friend, Michael Geisler.

[00:22:27] Maybe that's how you say it.

[00:22:29] Who did like Ren and Stimpy and the Cram Twins as well.

[00:22:32] And they avoided using stock sounds as much as possible.

[00:22:34] Two other really ugly shows.

[00:22:37] Man had nothing to do with the aesthetics.

[00:22:39] He's there for the sound and sound alone.

[00:22:40] Yeah.

[00:22:42] Dilworth said, and I think this is very us.

[00:22:44] I look for any sound that makes me laugh.

[00:22:48] Nice.

[00:22:48] Nice.

[00:22:49] I do.

[00:22:49] Yeah, you're right.

[00:22:50] It sounds really cool.

[00:22:51] And I said that it's an ugly show, but like, you know me.

[00:22:56] I love shit like this.

[00:22:57] I love.

[00:22:58] I love this show.

[00:22:59] Yeah.

[00:23:00] I love ugly shows.

[00:23:01] Like the stuff from the 90s and the 2000s was some, especially the Cartoon Network stuff

[00:23:07] was really ugly.

[00:23:08] Does anyone else not process courage as being purple or pink?

[00:23:15] I process him as being like white or like kind of like if you'd taken your dog to the

[00:23:23] vet and they'd shave like naked.

[00:23:25] Right.

[00:23:26] And I don't know if it's because of like the colors in the background.

[00:23:30] My brain interprets it as he's white with a pink light on him.

[00:23:36] So my brain interprets courage as being white.

[00:23:39] And I don't, I don't know why.

[00:23:41] Well, I think because.

[00:23:42] Does he at all remind you of Logan?

[00:23:45] A little bit.

[00:23:46] But in a, I was watching it and I was like, this is very blue, blue, black, white, gold

[00:23:51] situation for me to be in.

[00:23:53] But I look at him and I'm like, that looks like one naked dog.

[00:23:57] One naked dog.

[00:23:58] Well, there's an episode where he doesn't get shaved.

[00:24:00] Yes.

[00:24:00] And he's that weird, you know, like animation where they have that like peachy color for

[00:24:05] bears.

[00:24:06] I loved that episode.

[00:24:07] It was so funny.

[00:24:11] Hello, friend.

[00:24:13] My name is Fred.

[00:24:15] The words you hear are in my head.

[00:24:18] I say, I said, my name is Fred.

[00:24:21] And I've been very naughty.

[00:24:26] Horrible.

[00:24:26] It's a demon barber that comes to visit.

[00:24:29] No, he's a normal human.

[00:24:30] It's Muriel's nephew.

[00:24:32] No, I know.

[00:24:32] But he is also a demon barber.

[00:24:34] He's insane.

[00:24:35] He's like serial killer vibes to 110%.

[00:24:38] Like.

[00:24:38] I was just the.

[00:24:40] Naughty.

[00:24:42] Really naughty.

[00:24:43] Freaky Freddy, I think is what the other is.

[00:24:45] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:24:46] Alone was I with tender courage and all his fur.

[00:24:50] His fur.

[00:24:51] Very fur.

[00:24:52] Which I say did encourage me to be quite naughty.

[00:24:59] So he's like telling.

[00:25:01] He's really British as well, isn't he?

[00:25:04] He's narrating the episode in rhyme.

[00:25:06] Like he is writing a letter to someone, which is, I think, the only episode that's done that

[00:25:11] way.

[00:25:11] It's like.

[00:25:12] There's some really interesting, like very varied storytelling devices in all of the episodes.

[00:25:17] And this one, just the constant repetition of, or like rounding off the stanza with the

[00:25:23] word naughty is so funny.

[00:25:26] I was like waiting for it.

[00:25:28] Like, yes, he said it again.

[00:25:30] This dripping hair, this droopy curl.

[00:25:35] Unfurls sweet memories of a girl.

[00:25:39] With tresses bow they'd twist and twirl.

[00:25:42] And tempt me to be naughty.

[00:25:45] Naughty.

[00:25:47] But yeah, so Dilworth for writing, he had like really high standards, but the main thing

[00:25:52] he wanted from like the writing was creativity and flexibility.

[00:25:55] Like they didn't want to do things the same again.

[00:25:58] They wanted everything to be really varied.

[00:26:00] And I think they nailed it.

[00:26:01] Oh yeah.

[00:26:01] It feels very like anthological instead of like, because none of the episodes have got

[00:26:07] anything to do with each other.

[00:26:08] They, um, some of them do.

[00:26:09] We just won't have watched enough that there are recurring characters.

[00:26:12] Oh yeah, I know there's recurring characters.

[00:26:14] I saw those.

[00:26:15] It's just like, none of the, apart from the, maybe the episode where you find out how he

[00:26:21] was abandoned.

[00:26:22] It's not like you learned things about their previous lives or anything like that.

[00:26:26] It's just like an event a week.

[00:26:28] Yeah, yeah, fair.

[00:26:28] It's completely not linear at all.

[00:26:31] You know, salad fingers.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:34] While we were, Laura has already mentioned salad fingers to me.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:37] When we were, when we were watching it, I was like the guy that made salad fingers

[00:26:40] for sure watch this growing up.

[00:26:42] For sure.

[00:26:43] Well, like, yeah.

[00:26:43] The reason it reminded me of, oh, maybe not growing up because salad fingers was like

[00:26:47] 2009 or something.

[00:26:50] Fair.

[00:26:50] Yeah.

[00:26:51] I'm not sure.

[00:26:51] I, yeah, it's, it's quite old salad fingers now, but, um.

[00:26:55] How old is the guy?

[00:26:56] This came out in 1999.

[00:26:58] He'll be in his, maybe 40 or something.

[00:27:00] I don't know.

[00:27:01] So yeah.

[00:27:02] Both these things are set in a house in the middle of nowhere and like monsters come along

[00:27:10] once every episode.

[00:27:12] And because you're in the middle of nowhere, you've no idea where they've come from or where

[00:27:17] they're going to go.

[00:27:18] And it's like a unique kind of terrifying.

[00:27:22] Because they live in a place called Nowhere.

[00:27:24] Muriel and Eustace live in Nowhere.

[00:27:27] In Kansas.

[00:27:27] Yes.

[00:27:28] And he's always reading a newspaper that says Nowhere news on it.

[00:27:32] No fair.

[00:27:32] Uh, David Firth?

[00:27:34] David Firth.

[00:27:35] That's it.

[00:27:35] Yeah.

[00:27:35] He was 17 when it started.

[00:27:37] So maybe he watched it, but yeah, I see your point.

[00:27:39] Well, that's another thing I was going to ask.

[00:27:41] Is it for kids?

[00:27:42] Because.

[00:27:42] Yeah.

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:44] Right.

[00:27:44] Because Cartoon Network is a channel for kids.

[00:27:47] Until.

[00:27:48] So in the States, Cartoon Network is for kids.

[00:27:50] And then I can't remember what time it switches over to a program for adults called Adult

[00:27:54] Swim.

[00:27:54] Which I think is really cool that they did that.

[00:27:57] I don't think they did that here though.

[00:27:59] So.

[00:28:00] Because like, this is the only one that we've watched, I think, that there are some scary

[00:28:06] things that we've covered, but were probably scary by accident.

[00:28:10] So Spooks of Bottle Bay was made not with the intention of being as cursed as it actually

[00:28:16] turned out, right?

[00:28:17] Certain episodes of Teletubbies.

[00:28:18] But this feels like it was made with the intention to scare.

[00:28:24] I, I'm going to quickly Google what age range it was meant for.

[00:28:28] Because I know that they had it set in the States for one age bracket.

[00:28:32] And then at a certain season, they moved it up to the next age bracket.

[00:28:36] So I'm just going to double check.

[00:28:38] This says that it was aimed for kids 10 and up.

[00:28:42] So.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:43] I watched it aged like four.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:46] I don't know if I would be.

[00:28:48] Makes so much sense about you now.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:49] I, if I had a four year old, I would be a bit nervous letting them watch that.

[00:28:53] I would expect nightmares.

[00:28:54] Nightmares.

[00:28:55] I also watched it with my brother who was six, but I don't think that makes it that much

[00:28:59] better at all.

[00:29:00] Cause Sean was also a more scared child than I was.

[00:29:03] Like he would get nightmares from stuff.

[00:29:05] I never did.

[00:29:05] He got nightmares from the mummy.

[00:29:07] The second one.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:07] The second mummy.

[00:29:08] Yeah.

[00:29:08] Which I've not seen.

[00:29:09] I've seen the first one.

[00:29:10] He got, I might've told the story before.

[00:29:13] He would.

[00:29:14] So after the mummy for an extended period of time, what he would do is he had a bunk bed when

[00:29:18] we were kids and the stairs for his bunk bed, the ladder was right next to

[00:29:23] his door.

[00:29:23] So the, he could at night lay in bed and look out his door if he wanted to.

[00:29:29] So what he would do is have it open a crack, have the pillow at the end of his bed, lie

[00:29:33] on his front and stare out of his door to see if anyone was coming up the stairs.

[00:29:39] Fucking paranoid.

[00:29:41] Yeah.

[00:29:41] And it's like, okay, how long did you do that for Sean?

[00:29:44] He can't remember how long he did that for.

[00:29:47] And he would just fall asleep staring out of his door.

[00:29:51] I'm the opposite.

[00:29:52] I can't sleep if the door's open.

[00:29:54] Oh no, I need silence and darkness.

[00:29:57] Oh, I need loudness and light.

[00:29:59] But if the door's open, game over.

[00:30:01] I can't sleep.

[00:30:02] Every so often here, I've woken up and my door is open or cracked and I've gone.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] I've noticed that before.

[00:30:08] It's because you can close your door quite a lot without it closing properly.

[00:30:14] And I, from your bed, it just looks closed.

[00:30:17] Yeah.

[00:30:17] And it always wigs me out.

[00:30:19] I'm like, why is my door open?

[00:30:20] I swear I shut this.

[00:30:21] But can I tell you a story about a friend I have?

[00:30:24] Your door.

[00:30:25] Impossible for it to just kind of be open.

[00:30:27] Yeah.

[00:30:28] I struggle to.

[00:30:28] Oh, every time I, like, have to open it in the morning to get to work, I worry that I'm

[00:30:35] going to pull the handle off and I'll just be trapped there.

[00:30:38] Like, it's really bad.

[00:30:39] I need to do something about it.

[00:30:40] Anyway, I want to tell a story about a friend of mine.

[00:30:44] And I'm not going to say who it is because he's not told me it's okay to tell this story,

[00:30:48] but you guys know him.

[00:30:49] He said that when he was a kid, like all kids, he was scared of, like, bit scared of the dark

[00:30:54] and especially scared of, you know, like, downstairs in.

[00:30:58] Yes.

[00:30:59] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:30:59] When everyone else is asleep and it's dark downstairs.

[00:31:03] This isn't so much a problem in London, but.

[00:31:05] No, because there's like noises everywhere.

[00:31:07] Fucking streetlights everywhere.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:08] Outside of London, that's the abyss.

[00:31:11] Yeah, back in Hull.

[00:31:12] Or Bracknell.

[00:31:13] Or Bracknell.

[00:31:15] So he told me that he was so fed up of that feeling that as a child, like maybe, I don't

[00:31:23] know, six years old or something.

[00:31:24] He took matters into his own hands.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:27] He went downstairs in the middle of the night and stood in like an empty room and just held

[00:31:33] his arms out and waited for whatever he thought was there.

[00:31:38] He exposure-therapied himself as a child.

[00:31:40] And yes.

[00:31:41] We should study him.

[00:31:43] And no, he told me this and he said, he said to me, I didn't know that exposure therapy

[00:31:50] was a term until a few years ago.

[00:31:52] And when I learned about it, I was like, oh, I invented that, but I didn't realize it

[00:31:57] was like, you know, that bit in Mad Memory was like, I had the idea.

[00:32:02] Turns out it already exists, but I arrived at independently.

[00:32:05] So yeah, he exposed to himself.

[00:32:08] Like when crabs evolved seven different to nine different times.

[00:32:11] I arrived at independently.

[00:32:13] I might not have been first.

[00:32:15] But I didn't know which crab was first.

[00:32:18] Which came first?

[00:32:19] The crab or the crab?

[00:32:20] Or the crab or the crab or the crab or the crab or the crab?

[00:32:22] I don't remember being scared of the downstairs.

[00:32:26] But my mum and dad, when they first moved in, they've got like patio doors at the back.

[00:32:32] And when they first moved in, they took the blind down that the previous owners had had.

[00:32:37] And I've just never, ever put, maybe they've got one.

[00:32:41] Maybe they've got them now.

[00:32:42] I don't know.

[00:32:43] But in the time I lived there, never, ever put a blind or curtains back up across the patio door.

[00:32:48] So just exposed darkness.

[00:32:49] They've got a relatively long garden.

[00:32:53] And when it's dark, you can't see anything into the garden.

[00:32:57] It wouldn't be that difficult to get into their garden.

[00:33:01] And nothing freaks me out.

[00:33:03] Even now as an adult, standing in their kitchen with the light on, knowing that someone could be there looking at me.

[00:33:10] The same thing happened when me and Laura were at Union, our second year house.

[00:33:13] And there was like...

[00:33:14] I've seen that window.

[00:33:15] It's like just exposed darkness.

[00:33:17] I may have told this story before.

[00:33:19] But there was like a parasol in the garden on a table.

[00:33:24] And the light from the kitchen would catch the parasol.

[00:33:28] And if it was like moving in the wind, sometimes it would make you jump.

[00:33:32] Because there was movement that you weren't used to.

[00:33:35] And one of our housemates was like worried that the house was haunted.

[00:33:38] And I was like, I'm not scared about ghosts.

[00:33:41] I'm scared about there being a real life person in the garden that could actually physically hurt me.

[00:33:47] I once was in the garden at like towards the back of the garden.

[00:33:51] And like someone came into the kitchen after I'd gone out into the garden.

[00:33:54] And they didn't know I was in there.

[00:33:56] And I was just sat in the garden for a little while.

[00:33:59] Not on purpose watching them.

[00:34:00] But like you can see so clearly into the kitchen and they can't see you at all.

[00:34:04] And then I walked in and scared the ever loving fuck out of them.

[00:34:08] I got...

[00:34:09] When you first told me that, I got really paranoid.

[00:34:12] You know when you get paranoid about doing things that you've never done or would never do?

[00:34:17] It was like, better not get naked in the kitchen in case someone's in the garden watching me.

[00:34:21] Something I would never, ever, ever do.

[00:34:24] The other night, Meg was playing around on my Mac for about two minutes.

[00:34:29] And I wasn't looking at the screen.

[00:34:31] And I was sat there like, there's nothing on there.

[00:34:33] Like it's literally just recordings.

[00:34:36] Why am I worried that she's gonna find something?

[00:34:38] In that house that we lived in, in third year during the exam period, I was there alone because of COVID.

[00:34:45] And I would study in the kitchen.

[00:34:47] And I would study until it got dark.

[00:34:49] Because then when it got dark, I would be just a sense of paranoia of not being able to see even like two feet into the garden.

[00:34:59] Meant that I just kept looking and I just couldn't focus.

[00:35:02] So I was like, I'm leaving the kitchen now because I feel watched.

[00:35:05] Even though there was almost certainly no chance of someone being in there.

[00:35:09] Because it was actually kind of difficult to get into that garden that way.

[00:35:13] So, but it's just the density of the darkness was too much.

[00:35:19] It's the same with downstairs.

[00:35:20] Like we had the exact same thing when I was a kid.

[00:35:23] The light switch for the downstairs was not close to the stairs.

[00:35:27] Oh, and you got to turn it off and run.

[00:35:29] Yeah.

[00:35:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:30] Oh, I had like a series of lamps that I had to turn off one by one.

[00:35:34] We, we are, my childhood home was like the front door and a hallway.

[00:35:38] And the stairs were like right to the left of the front door.

[00:35:41] So there's, there were no, there was no space for lamps.

[00:35:44] So it was literally just run.

[00:35:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:47] The demons.

[00:35:48] I don't.

[00:35:49] That's why when, when, when our friend told us this, I was like, what were you, what?

[00:35:54] That's, that's psychopathic behavior as a six year old.

[00:35:57] That's so brave.

[00:35:57] Just put in yourself.

[00:35:58] But then he wasn't scared at all after that.

[00:36:00] After about five minutes, he was like, no one's coming.

[00:36:03] That's, that's the effect the patriarchy will have on a six year old boy.

[00:36:06] Yeah.

[00:36:07] He needed to be a hard man.

[00:36:08] I'll tell him that.

[00:36:09] I'll tell him that.

[00:36:10] He made himself a hard man.

[00:36:12] You already know my reputation.

[00:36:14] I am Dr. Jalost, the greatest unhappy scientist who ever lived.

[00:36:20] And I want 33 and a third billion dollars for my unhappy cannonball project.

[00:36:28] I wanted, there's a, there's a interview thing with Dilworth where he talks about different

[00:36:33] aspects of running the show.

[00:36:35] And one of the things he talked about was like compassion and patience and having that

[00:36:40] for the people you work with and like characters and villains and stuff.

[00:36:44] It's a monster of the week show, but I think that the, the villains, the monsters are all

[00:36:48] dealt with quite sensitively, if that makes sense.

[00:36:51] Well, okay.

[00:36:53] Some of them.

[00:36:55] Sensitively terrifying.

[00:36:56] Well, okay.

[00:36:57] Well, I'll explain what I mean.

[00:36:58] I'll explain what Dilworth was going for.

[00:37:02] He, so I'll, there's a quote.

[00:37:03] I'll just read it out.

[00:37:05] Dilworth said, I don't portray psychopaths except for freaky Freddy.

[00:37:09] What the fuck?

[00:37:10] That's a different monster altogether.

[00:37:12] And those don't interest me.

[00:37:13] We are talking about the villain and I'm very much interested in the repressed traumas of

[00:37:16] a villain, even of protagonist.

[00:37:19] I have stitched together a vague story for Eustace that he was unloved by his mother.

[00:37:23] Uh, she preferred an older brother and there was, and there was the effect of that in Eustace.

[00:37:28] I've explored that in a few cartoons.

[00:37:29] So the idea of going deeper, trying to assign an etymology of bad behavior to childhood trauma

[00:37:34] is based in actual science.

[00:37:35] So he was, I like that in the sense that like, it's not, some of the villains are just

[00:37:43] sort of misunderstood.

[00:37:44] Like, I don't know if you saw the, um, one where it's like this evil genius doctor who's

[00:37:50] just depressed.

[00:37:51] Yes.

[00:37:51] Tower of a name beginning with Zed.

[00:37:54] Yeah.

[00:37:54] Tower of doctor someone.

[00:37:56] That was really good.

[00:37:58] Yeah.

[00:37:58] That was really, really good.

[00:38:00] I love the, there's a character in it that is like his employee who's a rat who is just

[00:38:06] there counting money.

[00:38:07] And he's like sad and calls this rat over and the rat has to like take off his money counting

[00:38:12] visor.

[00:38:13] You know, the one.

[00:38:14] Yeah.

[00:38:14] He says, rat, come and give me a hug.

[00:38:17] Like that's his, that's his capture break.

[00:38:20] And like this rat is so hard done by that he has to stop counting huge stacks of money.

[00:38:26] I love it.

[00:38:33] What's the good of having all the money in the world if it doesn't bring any happiness?

[00:38:38] And if I'm not happy, no one deserves to be happy.

[00:38:45] Rat?

[00:38:46] Rat.

[00:38:47] Come here, rat.

[00:38:49] Give me a hug.

[00:38:51] It always calms me down.

[00:39:08] Call this a hug?

[00:39:09] You're not even trying.

[00:39:11] If you can't give me a real hug, then get away from me.

[00:39:15] Get out.

[00:39:15] Yeah.

[00:39:16] His like thing is that he's like from his big tower is shooting out like bombs of depression.

[00:39:24] So it just, whoever it hits, they become all sad.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:26] And I think at one point it does hit Eustace and doesn't affect him.

[00:39:31] The same.

[00:39:32] Everyone else just goes gray and sort of sags to the ground, but like not Eustace.

[00:39:36] Yeah.

[00:39:37] Yeah.

[00:39:37] But there's a joke in this episode that I think is just a really, really great joke.

[00:39:45] So he's got the, he's got the cannon and it's pointing at Courage who's tied up in rope.

[00:39:53] And he says, if you guess this word, I'll let, I'll let you out.

[00:39:58] And they're playing a game of hangman.

[00:40:01] And he's, I think the first letter that Courage guesses is L, which is a really, that's just funny.

[00:40:09] Like his choice of letters was very funny, but it's like such a layered joke.

[00:40:15] Cause it's like, he's got the cannon, he's got the hangman, he's got the dog in ropes,

[00:40:18] guessing stupid letters.

[00:40:19] And then he says, I'll give you a vowel for five bucks.

[00:40:26] Which is just so good.

[00:40:29] And so Courage gets out of his ropes, pulls his ropes off, goes over to him and gives him money.

[00:40:38] And he starts writing on the board and then they're quibbling about like, oh, it was two O's.

[00:40:42] So is it, is it five bucks?

[00:40:44] Was it 10 bucks?

[00:40:45] And they're sort of arguing about that backwards and forwards.

[00:40:47] And then it gets sorted out.

[00:40:48] And then Courage puts himself back in the ropes and they carry on.

[00:40:52] It's like such a good dog.

[00:40:55] It's like just a minute that is so densely packed with such funny things.

[00:41:06] Welcome to the Tower of Dr. Jalos.

[00:41:12] I bet you thought you would come in here and do something very heroic, right?

[00:41:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:41:18] I'll tell you why.

[00:41:20] I'll turn your grandmother back to normal.

[00:41:23] If you can guess what this four letter word is before the cannon goes off.

[00:41:28] Okay.

[00:41:34] Let's play.

[00:41:35] Ow!

[00:41:36] No.

[00:41:37] I have vowels.

[00:42:04] And then there's another episode where there's like a robot that was like forced to go and invade planet Earth.

[00:42:09] But he doesn't want to.

[00:42:10] He's different from the other robots.

[00:42:12] And all he wants to do is whittle.

[00:42:15] And they have a dancer.

[00:42:17] Yeah.

[00:42:19] And like, I just like him.

[00:42:21] And he loses a dance off.

[00:42:23] And he sits with his head in his massive hands.

[00:42:26] And he goes, I'm, he's like lamenting himself.

[00:42:30] And Courage is like, oh, it's fine.

[00:42:33] Okay.

[00:42:35] Yeah.

[00:42:35] I like that there's this like massive variation in motivation for like each of the villains every week.

[00:42:42] Well, one that I watched, it was called Last of the Starmakers.

[00:42:46] And it's, it starts off with a really beautiful sequence with this like twinkly piano music of two squids in space.

[00:42:54] And they fall in love.

[00:42:56] And they have like little baby eggs, which will eventually turn into stars.

[00:43:01] And then there's like a big, like space whale that's like sucking like all the air or not air, but you know, and it gets all the vacuum.

[00:43:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:43:12] And they get separated.

[00:43:13] It's very sad.

[00:43:14] And she falls to Earth and falls outside their house.

[00:43:19] And the villain is actually the US government in that episode.

[00:43:24] The villain is always the US government.

[00:43:27] I've been promoted to the secret department of military cover-ups.

[00:43:31] Promise you won't breathe a word of this to anyone?

[00:43:33] Don't worry.

[00:43:35] Your lying will be our little secret.

[00:43:37] Oh, you sure?

[00:43:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:43:39] But it's a really beautiful episode.

[00:43:41] It was, it was unexpectedly beautiful.

[00:43:43] It's like season four.

[00:43:46] Hurries, do you know what I think?

[00:43:47] I think this is a giant squid nest.

[00:43:51] This is a giant squid mum sitting on her giant squid eggs.

[00:43:58] Just like on telly.

[00:44:00] How exciting.

[00:44:04] You make our guest feel right at home.

[00:44:28] A fairy?

[00:44:29] Tell your friend, we don't got no room for big, ugly slugs.

[00:44:34] Eustace, that's no way to talk to our new guest.

[00:44:37] Especially in her condition.

[00:44:39] Big deal.

[00:44:40] Where are you from, my dear?

[00:44:42] A plantar?

[00:44:51] From Earth at all?

[00:44:55] Eustace, I think our guest is a space squid.

[00:44:58] Who's about to give birth to space squid babies.

[00:45:01] What a priceless experience.

[00:45:04] Yeah, it was one of the last ones, yeah.

[00:45:05] Yeah, season four got like experimental.

[00:45:08] Yeah.

[00:45:09] And did some crazy stuff.

[00:45:12] Like, do you want to talk about the mask?

[00:45:15] We can talk about the mask.

[00:45:16] So, the episode, essentially, the plot boils down to Courage.

[00:45:26] Courage rescues a lesbian bunny from her abusive dog gang leader boyfriend and lets her run off with her cat girlfriend.

[00:45:36] Yeah, well, they say that they're best friends.

[00:45:39] Okay, yeah.

[00:45:40] So, she's on a train, they're running to get on the train, and then she's like, thank you, Courage.

[00:45:45] Now we can be best friends forever.

[00:45:47] And they're like embracing very intimately.

[00:45:50] And it's like, okay.

[00:45:52] Okay.

[00:46:31] But it starts off horrifying.

[00:46:33] It's a horrifying episode.

[00:46:35] Because the cat that is the bunny's girlfriend, you don't know she's a cat at first because she's wearing this mask.

[00:46:42] She's so scary.

[00:46:43] It's like one of those white masks that's got another face on it.

[00:46:46] Like a little bit kabuki.

[00:46:48] Yeah.

[00:46:48] This film really gave Studio Ghibli.

[00:46:51] I don't know if anyone else noticed this.

[00:46:52] Like, you know, the mask reminded me of, is it Faceless?

[00:47:00] Yeah.

[00:47:00] No Face.

[00:47:01] No Face, sorry.

[00:47:02] In Spirited Away.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:03] And like the way it moved and the way it was mad with everything and the way it just appeared.

[00:47:08] Yeah, and it was just a bit like charming, creepy villain where you know there's not going to be a proper explanation for anything as per Studio Ghibli.

[00:47:18] And you just have to roll with it.

[00:47:20] But it lacked some of the charm.

[00:47:23] It's not whimsical.

[00:47:24] No, it was scary.

[00:47:26] Yeah.

[00:47:26] So this cat rocks up in like a long sheet and this white mask with a sort of anime-ish girly face on it.

[00:47:35] And immediately beats the ever-loving pulp out of courage because she hates dogs.

[00:47:41] Yeah.

[00:47:41] We don't know yet, but she's a cat.

[00:47:43] Yeah.

[00:47:44] Because she's also, her girlfriend is stuck in an abusive gang of fucking like Doberman people.

[00:47:52] Like a leather chain gang of Dobermans from the wrong side of the tracks.

[00:47:57] His name is Mad Dog.

[00:47:59] He has a collar with MD on it.

[00:48:02] Oh.

[00:48:03] For Mad Dog.

[00:48:04] For Mad Dog, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:48:05] There'll be none of that around here.

[00:48:07] Ain't that Kitty's mouse?

[00:48:10] You a friend of Kitty and Bunny?

[00:48:21] Right.

[00:48:22] Bunny's in a bad way without Kitty.

[00:48:25] These two was the sweetest gals that ever lived.

[00:48:29] But Bunny's guy, Mad Dog, he didn't like him being so friendly-like.

[00:48:35] He's one nasty piece of jealousy.

[00:48:39] He and his gang lived down the road.

[00:48:41] You know where.

[00:48:43] After you get Bunny out of there.

[00:48:45] Tell her Charlie says, eh.

[00:48:48] Yeah, that one, that episode, that's season four.

[00:48:51] And I just feel like in season four they were going for it.

[00:48:54] Another episode I love from season four, which is really experimental in the way it looks,

[00:49:00] is Perfect.

[00:49:02] Did you see Perfect?

[00:49:03] I haven't, but it's the one with the like super nanny type.

[00:49:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:49:07] So sort of a Victorian matron.

[00:49:11] For some reason, not explained, doesn't matter.

[00:49:14] Nothing's explained.

[00:49:15] It's full anime rules.

[00:49:16] Don't expect an explanation for anything.

[00:49:19] Comes to the house and just starts, you know, making him sit up straight and walk with

[00:49:25] books on his head and write things perfectly.

[00:49:28] And she's saying, you've got to be perfect.

[00:49:30] Go to finishing school, courage.

[00:49:31] Be perfect, be perfect.

[00:49:33] Like that's her, the thing that she says.

[00:49:35] And gets angry when he doesn't do things perfectly.

[00:49:38] And after the first day of enduring this in his own attic, so he doesn't really have to,

[00:49:45] he just sits at the desk and like takes the abuse.

[00:49:48] He goes to bed and he has a series of nightmares.

[00:49:53] And the first nightmare is, it's like each one is animated in a different way.

[00:50:00] Each one really scary.

[00:50:02] But the first one is he goes to sleep and the viewer is faced with a shot, like a close up shot of like this bad CGI.

[00:50:14] But like actual sort of not flat, like CGI.

[00:50:19] Well, yeah.

[00:50:20] They did use CGI in a couple of the things.

[00:50:22] And I think whenever you're putting CGI into a hand drawn thing.

[00:50:26] Scary.

[00:50:26] Oh, it's fucking weird looking.

[00:50:28] It's so out of place.

[00:50:31] Yeah.

[00:50:31] That it always, they use this in anime a lot to actually accentuate how gross or otherworldly a particular villain is.

[00:50:38] And it always just feels wrong.

[00:50:40] It feels like.

[00:50:40] Yeah, it feels so wrong.

[00:50:41] Against the grain, I don't.

[00:50:43] They change the style of quite a lot.

[00:50:45] Yeah.

[00:50:46] So, so this CGI creature we're looking at is like sort of fetus slash alien shaped.

[00:50:54] And it's sort of floating in space connected to tubes, just looking straight at the viewer.

[00:51:01] And it doesn't say anything for quite a long time.

[00:51:04] And then it says, you're not perfect.

[00:51:07] Perfect.

[00:51:32] And he wakes up screaming.

[00:51:35] And I think that in a kid's show, having a CGI fetus look at you and say you're not perfect is possibly one of the greatest jokes.

[00:51:46] Like it's so, it's so funny.

[00:51:49] Like it's horrifying, but it is like existential and weird and hilarious.

[00:51:54] Just that description does remind me of 2001 A Space Odyssey.

[00:51:58] No, it is.

[00:51:59] It's a star child.

[00:52:01] And then he goes back to sleep and another horrifying thing happens.

[00:52:05] Like he's trying to.

[00:52:07] God, the nightmare fuel of courage is life.

[00:52:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:52:10] Jesus Christ.

[00:52:10] Like there's, there's one in this sequence where he's trying to stop a vase from being smashed.

[00:52:16] It's being held by Muriel.

[00:52:18] And in the end, Muriel actually smashes to the ground like she's the vase.

[00:52:21] And it's, it's just horrifying.

[00:52:23] But you're not perfect is so funny.

[00:52:26] So I will say rewatching it has made me realize I actually have both Muriel and Eustace's outfits just here ready to wear.

[00:52:36] In the very last episode when you find out how Muriel came to own courage.

[00:52:44] Like you see it because every, every intro tells you.

[00:52:47] Yeah.

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:48] And you see Muriel like young and how, when she's young and then she's old and how old is courage?

[00:53:00] Because the, the way they animate young Muriel and the way they animate old Muriel, surely courage is like 40 years old.

[00:53:11] Yeah.

[00:53:12] Like how old is that dog?

[00:53:13] Well, you also find out that his parents are still alive.

[00:53:16] Yeah.

[00:53:16] And look exactly the same.

[00:53:19] Yeah, his parents are exactly.

[00:53:21] You find out.

[00:53:22] Maybe time works different in space for that is where they are.

[00:53:25] You find out that, um, he was separated from his mum and dad when they go into the vet with him and they are abducted.

[00:53:34] And, um, he manages to escape down like the garbage chute and lands in a dumpster and that's where Muriel picks him up.

[00:53:41] And what's happened to his mum and dad is they've been shot into space for some experiment that the evil vet is running.

[00:53:50] Because space dogs are the best dogs.

[00:53:52] And yeah, he's trying to make a super race.

[00:53:55] And it's unclear really as to whether courage knows this and has, is just recounting it for the viewer or if he's forgotten it.

[00:54:05] And it, these memories are being awakened because they take him to the vet.

[00:54:11] He sees the evil vet and it starts remembering everything, which is how I interpreted it.

[00:54:17] And then he goes into the, escapes into the back, finds this, um, uh, rocket, defeats the vet, manages to get the vet into the rocket and shoots the vet into space.

[00:54:31] Where he lands on the planet that he shot all of these dogs into that are all there alive and ready to fuck him up.

[00:54:40] And it's so funny because there's one there like punching, the dad is like punching his fist.

[00:54:45] Like he's ready to beat the vet up.

[00:54:48] It's really funny.

[00:54:49] They all look so angry.

[00:54:50] You say too much.

[00:54:53] You'll be the first humans to see my secret experiment at work.

[00:54:59] Breeding dogs in space is the future.

[00:55:02] No!

[00:55:03] But in that episode, I remember that the reason they took him to the vet in the first place, Muriel and Eustace,

[00:55:11] is because he sat at the dinner table and he remembers something about his parents.

[00:55:15] And then for about 12 hours, he's just staring into the middle distance.

[00:55:20] And so that's when he first starts remembering it and it fucked him up.

[00:55:23] Oh yeah.

[00:55:24] He won't eat his big pile of dumplings because she feeds him like he's a child.

[00:55:31] You're still here.

[00:55:38] You haven't moved since last night.

[00:55:40] Why is that dog still sitting at the table?

[00:55:44] Eustace, I'm worried about courage.

[00:55:46] I think he's not well.

[00:55:48] I've got just the cure.

[00:55:52] Booga booga booga!

[00:55:53] I think it's time we took courage to the vet.

[00:56:10] I have a major issue with that vet's plan.

[00:56:12] How are you getting these super puppies back?

[00:56:16] Yeah, like what's the point in them being in space?

[00:56:18] Yeah, you've just sent them up there with their seemingly no scheme on how to get them back.

[00:56:24] He's gone up there to collect them.

[00:56:26] Obviously they've all beaten the living shit out of him, taking the rocket and gone back.

[00:56:29] But when he's a baby, before he sees his parents get put into that rocket, he's like running through the vet's corridors and he's opening various doors to various different like experiments.

[00:56:42] And it's like a psychedelic sort of sequence of weird animals.

[00:56:48] Like everything about this show is just trying to unsettle you.

[00:56:53] Like he opens it onto a like a giraffe.

[00:56:56] Yeah, I can't remember what was wrong with the giraffe or what was different about the giraffe.

[00:56:59] Yeah, but it was weird.

[00:57:00] And I think at one point he opens the door and there's like a naked woman in a shower.

[00:57:05] And he screams and shuts the door.

[00:57:07] Oh yeah, and he shuts the door.

[00:57:08] And then he looks again.

[00:57:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:57:11] And I was like, okay.

[00:57:12] But it also looks like there's a fire happening in that room.

[00:57:15] Like the woman's on fire.

[00:57:16] It's very, very strange.

[00:57:19] The first episode, Muriel's in the bath for a lot of it.

[00:57:22] And she's fighting off a spider.

[00:57:24] I'm like, you're so close to a nip slip.

[00:57:26] So close.

[00:57:27] So imagine if they'd drawn in a nip slip.

[00:57:31] You're so close.

[00:57:32] Oh, whoops, it happened.

[00:57:33] Oh, it was out of my control.

[00:57:35] It was just, it was a slip.

[00:57:36] Like Jessica Rabbit's vagina.

[00:57:38] Yeah.

[00:57:39] Yeah.

[00:57:40] Oh, Meg.

[00:57:41] It wasn't me.

[00:57:44] So what do we think of it?

[00:57:46] Oh, I love it.

[00:57:47] I love it.

[00:57:48] I know you were Meg.

[00:57:49] Right.

[00:57:50] I hate it, but not because I think it's bad.

[00:57:53] I hate it because I hate the way it makes me feel.

[00:57:57] It makes me feel like I'm back in nightmare worlds that I was in as a child.

[00:58:05] Like I don't know how else to explain it.

[00:58:07] No, that's fair.

[00:58:07] It's liminal.

[00:58:09] It really is so liminal.

[00:58:11] Their house is in the middle of nowhere.

[00:58:13] They literally live in.

[00:58:15] A town called nowhere.

[00:58:17] Yeah.

[00:58:17] Which is fucking limbo because nothing's there.

[00:58:20] Nothing happens.

[00:58:21] All the bad shit comes to them.

[00:58:23] How unlucky do you have to be that you live in a house in the middle of nowhere?

[00:58:26] You go nowhere and do nothing.

[00:58:28] And yet bad things still literally come and knocking at your door.

[00:58:32] Because also there's no roads anywhere.

[00:58:34] There's no roads.

[00:58:35] It's just dirt.

[00:58:35] It's literally just, I have a theory that it's like a post-apocalyptic world.

[00:58:40] Because in the episode of The Mask, like when he's on the other side of the tracks,

[00:58:44] there's like a nuclear power plant forest.

[00:58:47] Well, it would explain how all the animals are sentient and lesbians.

[00:58:51] Yeah.

[00:58:52] You know?

[00:58:52] And like, I just, I think, because also they have a computer, right?

[00:58:57] And like computer is basically alive.

[00:59:00] It's like an actual pure AI because Courage will walk up to it with a bit of bone and go,

[00:59:05] what's this?

[00:59:06] And the computer goes, oh, fine.

[00:59:07] I'll figure it out.

[00:59:08] Yes, I love that bit.

[00:59:09] Like the computer with the British accent.

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:11] Like Alexander Armstrong in Sarah Jane Adventures.

[00:59:15] To me, it just feels like, and we've done episodes where we've seen things and we've gone,

[00:59:20] oh, is that for kids?

[00:59:22] Should that be for kids?

[00:59:23] This to me doesn't feel like a child's cartoon.

[00:59:25] It feels like art and it feels like it should be on one of the big screens in a room in an art gallery.

[00:59:32] In the BFI, yeah.

[00:59:33] Yeah.

[00:59:33] Or YouTube.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:36] I don't know.

[00:59:37] Like it doesn't feel like it was made for kids.

[00:59:40] It feels way more.

[00:59:42] And obviously I'm not saying that you can't make, obviously it is for kids and you can make

[00:59:47] intellectual things for kids, but it feels very intellectual and very like.

[00:59:52] Cerebral.

[00:59:52] Cerebral and like it all has a meaning and also like it makes me feel really weird.

[00:59:57] It at no point felt like anyone in any of the creative rooms went, all right, we need

[01:00:03] to make sure this is for children.

[01:00:04] It feels like they just made it.

[01:00:06] They didn't go, let's make sure this is kid friendly.

[01:00:08] They just made what they wanted to make.

[01:00:10] And it happened to be going on a children's like.

[01:00:15] Network?

[01:00:15] Network.

[01:00:19] Come on, bunny.

[01:00:21] Don't I make you happy no more?

[01:00:23] Or maybe you're still thinking about Kitty.

[01:00:28] I told you to forget her.

[01:00:32] I take you from a two-bit joint and make your class act.

[01:00:36] And you want to make me second rate?

[01:00:39] If I even smell Kitty.

[01:00:43] I'll bury the toy up.

[01:00:50] You know you're my girl.

[01:00:52] Let's go back to the way we was.

[01:00:55] You know, happy like.

[01:00:58] Everything's okay.

[01:01:00] Yeah.

[01:01:01] Yeah.

[01:01:01] So I think it's really good.

[01:01:03] But I will not be watching it again because it just made me feel so bizarre.

[01:01:09] Like.

[01:01:09] There were bits of it that I thought were a little bit harming.

[01:01:12] Like there doesn't seem to be, even though Eustace is really.

[01:01:17] Cantankerous.

[01:01:18] Cantankerous.

[01:01:18] That's a great word.

[01:01:19] There does seem to be a lot of love between him and Muriel.

[01:01:24] And in the perfect episode, something.

[01:01:27] Like I actually really, really loved the ending of it.

[01:01:29] Because throughout the episode.

[01:01:32] At the beginning, Eustace orders a flugelhorn.

[01:01:36] And he has it.

[01:01:37] It arrives and he's so excited.

[01:01:38] And it's got a crack in it.

[01:01:40] And he spends like his sort of subplot is trying to fix it.

[01:01:44] Well, because he can fix anything.

[01:01:46] Because he thinks he can fix anything.

[01:01:47] But he thinks he can fix everything.

[01:01:49] And Muriel.

[01:01:51] Her thing in this episode is that she's trying to make a baklava.

[01:01:55] And she's never made one before.

[01:01:58] And before this matron person comes along.

[01:02:02] She's roped in her dog to help her make this baklava.

[01:02:05] And he keeps getting things wrong.

[01:02:06] And she keeps forgiving him because she doesn't see bad in anything.

[01:02:10] Like he smashes the table while trying to crush up some nuts.

[01:02:13] And she says, that table wasn't very strong, was it?

[01:02:17] Try to do the accent.

[01:02:19] Because where the fuck is Muriel from?

[01:02:20] Oh my god, where is she from?

[01:02:21] Where is she from?

[01:02:22] It's often Welsh.

[01:02:23] I think she sounds quite Mrs. Doubtfire.

[01:02:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:02:26] Because where's she from?

[01:02:28] Mrs. Doubtfire is like supposed to be Scottish.

[01:02:30] But it's like Muriel's got this like ever since late brogue.

[01:02:33] In the film Mrs. Doubtfire, it really annoys me.

[01:02:36] They constantly refer to her as English.

[01:02:38] And it's obviously Scottish.

[01:02:39] They actually do.

[01:02:40] But yeah, she's obviously Scottish.

[01:02:42] I didn't remember that.

[01:02:44] I just inserted Scottish because what you did, a Scottish accent.

[01:02:48] Yeah.

[01:02:48] So she's trying to make this baklava.

[01:02:50] And he's helping her and getting everything wrong.

[01:02:52] And he's feeling worse and worse about himself, which is relatable.

[01:02:56] Can't get anything right.

[01:02:56] And she keeps forgiving him.

[01:02:58] And then, you know, his horror subplot comes along when the matron starts exposing all of

[01:03:05] his weaknesses.

[01:03:06] But she, like, she's got a fish in a bowl that she's preparing for this baklava.

[01:03:11] Like, which is a funny joke.

[01:03:13] Yeah, I know.

[01:03:13] She's like doing stuff to the fish.

[01:03:18] And at the end...

[01:03:20] I should call him.

[01:03:22] Stop doing bits to a fish, for real.

[01:03:26] And the reason, the way he manages to defeat this particular villain is that he's in the

[01:03:31] bathroom feeling bad about stuff.

[01:03:34] So this fish is in the bath, but, like, bigger and talking.

[01:03:37] And, like, a different colour as well.

[01:03:40] And he's saying to the dog that's looking in the mirror, didn't you know that all your

[01:03:44] imperfections are beautiful?

[01:03:45] It's so one direction of that fish.

[01:03:48] Right?

[01:03:53] There's no such thing as perfect.

[01:03:56] Huh?

[01:03:58] You're beautiful as you are, Courage.

[01:04:04] With all your imperfections, you can do anything.

[01:04:11] Would you like to try some baklava, Courage?

[01:04:17] It's more like gum, really.

[01:04:19] But you can blow the sweetest bubbles.

[01:04:34] I'm going to start my own band of cracked horns.

[01:04:37] And so he goes back upstairs and she says, draw a perfect six.

[01:04:45] Or, like, write a perfect six.

[01:04:46] And he does this beautiful drawing.

[01:04:50] She's like, that's not perfect.

[01:04:53] And he folds it into a six.

[01:04:56] And it sort of breaks her brain and she dissolves into the floor.

[01:04:59] Nice.

[01:04:59] And then he goes back downstairs for dinner and the flugelhorn is in bandages.

[01:05:06] And it's not a flugelhorn, but he's still having fun playing it.

[01:05:09] The baklava is...

[01:05:13] Sentient.

[01:05:14] Well, kind of.

[01:05:16] The baklava is like...

[01:05:18] She says it's not perfect, but you can blow the sweetest bubbles with it.

[01:05:23] So they're eating this baklava and in between mouthfuls,

[01:05:26] they're, like, blowing bubblegum bubbles with it.

[01:05:29] And then, like, a dead fish in the middle of the table in a bowl

[01:05:31] sort of winks at the audience.

[01:05:33] And they're all having fun being imperfect.

[01:05:36] And it's a lovely, lovely ending to one of, I think, the scariest episodes.

[01:05:41] I think that every episode does have, like, a good little lesson.

[01:05:46] But it's just under a lot of spooky stuff.

[01:05:51] I want to talk about my favorite bit.

[01:05:52] My favorite bit was the episode...

[01:05:54] I don't remember which one it was.

[01:05:55] I think it was The Mask.

[01:05:57] I think it was The Mask.

[01:05:58] Where Muriel is trapped in a room and Eustace is trying to break her out of the room.

[01:06:05] But obviously he can't fix everything.

[01:06:07] And he's smashing a boulder.

[01:06:13] He's smashing a boulder into the door handle.

[01:06:16] And the boulder disintegrates.

[01:06:18] And he goes...

[01:06:22] Cheap rocks.

[01:06:24] Cheap rocks.

[01:06:26] Cheap rocks.

[01:06:26] Yeah, he's like, every tool he tries doesn't work.

[01:06:29] He goes, cheap, whatever.

[01:06:30] And the boulder, you're like...

[01:06:32] It literally crumbles into rubble.

[01:06:35] No, but you've got an amazing door handle.

[01:06:36] Yeah, yeah.

[01:06:37] What an incredible door.

[01:06:40] She breaks herself out of the room with a hairpin.

[01:06:44] Because she really needs a wee.

[01:06:45] He's been smashing this door.

[01:06:47] And he's like, how did you get out?

[01:06:50] And she's like, hairpin.

[01:06:52] And he's like, I could have done that.

[01:06:54] He says, why didn't I think of that?

[01:06:55] Yeah.

[01:06:56] Ah.

[01:06:56] He is really, really nasty to Courage though.

[01:06:59] Yeah.

[01:07:00] I mean, he hates him.

[01:07:01] Yeah.

[01:07:02] Okay.

[01:07:03] I want to talk about another bit.

[01:07:05] It's the bit in...

[01:07:06] Are you sure you hate this show?

[01:07:08] Is it Rammies?

[01:07:10] Is that...

[01:07:10] Ramesses!

[01:07:11] Ramesses!

[01:07:11] No, it's not Ramesses.

[01:07:13] It's like Ramsey or something.

[01:07:15] The one with the mummy with...

[01:07:17] It's Ramesses.

[01:07:18] In this episode, Courage finds...

[01:07:20] He goes into the garden.

[01:07:22] The vast dirt.

[01:07:25] The dirt.

[01:07:26] And he digs up this plaque.

[01:07:30] Like, it's not a plaque.

[01:07:31] It's a slab.

[01:07:31] We'll call it a slab.

[01:07:32] It's called a slab.

[01:07:33] That's got like Egyptian iconography.

[01:07:37] And like, they're not like hieroglyphics,

[01:07:40] but they're like Egyptian drawings on it, basically.

[01:07:43] And he...

[01:07:46] We learn at the beginning of the episode

[01:07:47] that this has been stolen and buried in there.

[01:07:50] Vast dirt.

[01:07:51] It's so nightmare that way, isn't it?

[01:07:54] And he takes it back inside

[01:07:58] and Muriel takes it off of him

[01:08:00] and is like wowing over it.

[01:08:03] She's like, wow, look at this thing that you've brought.

[01:08:05] Aren't you a clever dog?

[01:08:07] To that effect.

[01:08:08] The words to that effect.

[01:08:10] And she's like,

[01:08:11] she wants to do something with it.

[01:08:14] And I can't remember what she wants to do,

[01:08:16] but does she want to display it or whatever.

[01:08:17] But she's trying to show it to Eustace.

[01:08:20] And Eustace is like,

[01:08:22] I don't care.

[01:08:23] Put it back outside.

[01:08:25] Get rid of it.

[01:08:26] Words to that effect.

[01:08:55] Why, what's this now?

[01:08:56] Stupid dog.

[01:08:58] Oh, he's bringing garbage into the house.

[01:09:01] But the big story today,

[01:09:03] million dollar slab stolen from the tomb of King Ramses.

[01:09:08] Eh?

[01:09:10] A bridge.

[01:09:11] And it was in that moment that I realised how much sense he has.

[01:09:16] Because what just happened is, right?

[01:09:18] Your dog's just dug up some old crap from the garden.

[01:09:23] Brought it to you.

[01:09:24] And you've gone, wow.

[01:09:26] Wow.

[01:09:27] The most amazing thing I've ever seen.

[01:09:28] Let's display it.

[01:09:29] And your husband is going, you're insane.

[01:09:32] It's dirty crap from the garden.

[01:09:37] Put it back outside.

[01:09:40] On the TV, he sees that it's worth a million dollars.

[01:09:44] So he picks it back up.

[01:09:45] And in the next shot, he's mounted it as a coffee table.

[01:09:51] Which is so funny.

[01:09:53] And he spends the rest of the episode hugging it.

[01:09:57] Because he wants a million bucks.

[01:09:59] And there's a bit where he's like rocking backwards and forwards,

[01:10:01] naming things he's going to buy.

[01:10:04] And one of them is...

[01:10:05] Garden furniture.

[01:10:07] Yes.

[01:10:08] And one of them, he says,

[01:10:09] a pretty attic.

[01:10:12] No, I just think, fine.

[01:10:14] If you find out it's worth millions,

[01:10:16] by all means, keep it and sell it.

[01:10:18] But what?

[01:10:19] All of it is dirty crap.

[01:10:21] Put it back outside.

[01:10:23] That's the right line of thinking initially.

[01:10:25] That is the right thing to do.

[01:10:27] Yes, sir.

[01:10:28] You start running that ad right away.

[01:10:34] What's your offer?

[01:10:36] I am Professor Freth of the Institute of Ephemera.

[01:10:40] I've come to retrieve the slab.

[01:10:43] You see, Eustace, I told you it was stolen.

[01:10:51] What's your offer?

[01:11:01] Sir, the Institute for Ephemera is member-supported.

[01:11:05] About for every million dollar donation,

[01:11:08] you'll receive a sporty tote bag with our thanks.

[01:11:16] Eustace, we really should give it back, you know.

[01:11:18] But then, it turns into, I would say,

[01:11:22] probably the most horrifying thing ever shown for children.

[01:11:26] So, Ramesses, the sort of ghostly, mummified-looking thing is after it.

[01:11:32] The dead pharaoh.

[01:11:33] Yeah.

[01:11:33] He doesn't look like a pharaoh.

[01:11:34] He looks like a balding clown with a robe on.

[01:11:37] It's really, this character's also done in 3D CGI, so it's that weird.

[01:11:41] Yeah, it is.

[01:11:42] And it's ghost.

[01:11:43] It's got, like, the face of the scream,

[01:11:47] like, sort of green and translucent and ghostly and floating.

[01:11:51] And he doesn't move.

[01:11:54] He doesn't move within the space.

[01:11:56] You look out the window and he's just there,

[01:11:59] either far away or close up.

[01:12:01] Saying, give me the slab.

[01:12:02] Return the slab.

[01:12:04] In a really scary voice.

[01:12:06] And the only other thing he says, apart from that,

[01:12:08] is you'll be visited by three plagues.

[01:12:17] Return the slab.

[01:12:20] What?

[01:12:21] Return the slab.

[01:12:24] Or suffer my curse.

[01:12:28] What's your offer?

[01:12:29] This night, you will be visited by three plagues.

[01:12:35] Each worse than the last.

[01:12:38] Return the slab.

[01:12:42] Nice try, professor.

[01:12:46] Who's he kidding?

[01:12:47] I can see the zipper on that cheap dime store costume.

[01:12:53] Which is such a misconstruing of how that actually went down.

[01:12:58] It wasn't the pharaoh, it was Moses.

[01:12:59] Anyway.

[01:13:01] I think the funniest thing about this episode is that plague one,

[01:13:04] it's a flood.

[01:13:05] The house floods.

[01:13:06] Yeah.

[01:13:06] Plague two.

[01:13:09] It's Ramesses playing his theme tune.

[01:13:13] Yeah.

[01:13:13] Everywhere.

[01:13:14] It's all about Ramesses.

[01:13:15] And he says, you'll be visited by three plagues,

[01:13:18] each one worse than the last.

[01:13:20] Interesting that he thinks a song is worse than flooding someone's house.

[01:13:23] Hey, at least he's self-aware.

[01:13:25] And then the third one is locusts.

[01:13:28] Yeah.

[01:13:28] Very biblical.

[01:13:29] Yeah.

[01:13:29] I just thought it was so funny.

[01:13:31] And instead of, you know, giving the slab back,

[01:13:37] they just deal with the plague.

[01:13:39] Until the three are done.

[01:13:41] Yeah.

[01:13:42] Yeah.

[01:13:42] The music is, he, courage runs out into, you know, the wilderness,

[01:13:48] finds the gramophone or whatever behind a rock and smashes it to pieces.

[01:13:54] And when they do this, the Ramesses throws his arms up in the air in like weird,

[01:14:01] funny frustration.

[01:14:02] He goes, return the slab.

[01:14:04] I'm trying to hold it.

[01:14:07] And Eustace in this episode, whenever he is faced with this horrifying creature,

[01:14:14] the only thing he will say to it is, what's your offer?

[01:14:20] And then the plagues are over and he picks the slab back up and he goes,

[01:14:25] what are you going to do now?

[01:14:27] And he gets entombed.

[01:14:30] And then it zooms in on the tomb that he's in underneath the pyramids.

[01:14:33] And you can just hear him going, what's your offer?

[01:14:38] It's all he says.

[01:14:39] He doesn't care.

[01:14:40] The guy does not care.

[01:14:41] It's so funny.

[01:14:42] It's also like, what commerce is this in this world?

[01:14:45] What do you guys do for money?

[01:14:47] Like, what do you buy?

[01:14:48] I don't, there's, you don't have any jobs.

[01:14:51] You clearly retired.

[01:14:52] But what did you do?

[01:14:53] What did you do?

[01:14:54] You return the slab.

[01:14:55] Return, return up slab.

[01:14:58] I love that he was just had a gramophone.

[01:15:01] Like, it's a mummy.

[01:15:02] That he hid behind a rock and he thought, if I hide it behind a rock,

[01:15:06] they'll never find it and it will just plague them forever.

[01:15:09] You dare challenge my power?

[01:15:13] Oh my God.

[01:15:14] The robot episode.

[01:15:15] It's for whatever reason, they decided to make it sound like Christopher Walken.

[01:15:18] Yeah.

[01:15:19] The robot sounds like Christopher Walken.

[01:15:20] I've not seen that one.

[01:15:21] I couldn't like, I couldn't find any stuff online about why they did that.

[01:15:25] I think it's voiced by the creator.

[01:15:28] They're just like, yeah, Christopher Walken robot.

[01:15:30] I love the details in this.

[01:15:32] Like, the robot and Courage are having a dance off.

[01:15:35] And while the robot is so massive, it's huge in comparison to Courage.

[01:15:40] And he's dancing.

[01:15:42] And while he's dancing, the robot has like knelt down on the ground

[01:15:45] and put his head in his hands to watch Courage dance.

[01:15:48] It's really cute.

[01:15:50] There's episodes where the creators are in it.

[01:15:54] Yeah.

[01:15:54] Because there's episodes where on the TV, it's real footage and it's them.

[01:15:59] Oh.

[01:16:01] Yeah.

[01:16:02] I remember that.

[01:16:02] Did you watch the tree episode?

[01:16:03] No.

[01:16:04] Okay.

[01:16:04] There's an episode where there's very beginning like Jack and the Beanstalk seeds

[01:16:11] that fall out of the window and Courage plants them.

[01:16:15] And this like tree grows.

[01:16:16] That's like magic.

[01:16:17] Um, and on the trunk of the tree, there's like a circle.

[01:16:23] And in the circle is an actual human mouth.

[01:16:26] Yeah.

[01:16:26] Like a real person talking.

[01:16:28] Yeah.

[01:16:28] It just looks so cool.

[01:16:30] I love it.

[01:16:31] I like that the like opening scenes different every time as well.

[01:16:36] Because they've got those like cards for websites.

[01:16:38] Yeah.

[01:16:38] The card that says created by, what's his name?

[01:16:43] Dilworth.

[01:16:43] Dilworth.

[01:16:43] What's his full name?

[01:16:44] John.

[01:16:45] Something R. Dilworth, isn't it?

[01:16:46] John.

[01:16:47] John R. Dilworth.

[01:16:48] John R. Dilworth.

[01:16:49] Yeah.

[01:16:49] Yeah.

[01:16:50] It's a different title card, like in a different style.

[01:16:53] I wish I had a guaranteed outlet for my creativity that I could just do whatever the fuck I wanted

[01:16:59] with and get paid to do it.

[01:17:00] Yeah.

[01:17:01] We do that without the money.

[01:17:03] Yeah.

[01:17:03] We get some money.

[01:17:06] Hmm.

[01:17:07] There's nothing to worry about.

[01:17:09] There's nothing at all.

[01:17:11] Nothing at all.

[01:17:15] The swelling is going to go down.

[01:17:17] To go down.

[01:17:18] Just keep soaking it.

[01:17:20] Nothing to worry about.

[01:17:22] Just keep soaking it.

[01:17:23] But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but.

[01:17:26] Now, now.

[01:17:28] I don't want to be in trouble.

[01:17:30] Then you shouldn't have gotten bit.

[01:17:32] There's one recurring character that when they came on screen, they're accompanied by,

[01:17:37] what's the instrument called?

[01:17:39] Like, sitar?

[01:17:40] Yeah.

[01:17:41] It's a vet.

[01:17:42] No, vet slash doctor.

[01:17:44] Who is.

[01:17:46] The Indian vet slash doctor.

[01:17:47] Yeah.

[01:17:48] And every time he's on screen, there's like Indian string music playing.

[01:17:52] And I was like.

[01:17:52] Oh, that's.

[01:17:53] Hmm.

[01:17:54] Ooh.

[01:17:55] Not, not okay.

[01:17:56] Really.

[01:17:57] Hmm.

[01:17:58] Lovely instrument though.

[01:18:00] Did it make anyone else feel really weird?

[01:18:02] Anyone else feel really weird?

[01:18:03] Oh yeah.

[01:18:03] Sometimes.

[01:18:04] Sometimes you're watching it.

[01:18:05] Sometimes certain episodes I was like.

[01:18:06] Hmm.

[01:18:07] I think the mask made me feel weird.

[01:18:09] Cause it's like, you're in a kid show dealing with domestic abuse and shading towards

[01:18:16] LGBTQ issues.

[01:18:17] It was one of the last ones though.

[01:18:20] Yeah.

[01:18:20] It was one of the last ones.

[01:18:21] Um, I saw one thing online.

[01:18:23] This isn't true that like, that is the episode that got them canceled because so many people

[01:18:27] complained.

[01:18:27] It's like, that's not true.

[01:18:28] That's not what happened.

[01:18:30] Yeah.

[01:18:31] You once told me Meg that the TV show and YouTube series, Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared made

[01:18:37] you feel your body too much, which I think is a really interesting way of describing

[01:18:42] how a show makes you feel.

[01:18:44] I'm not very good at, um, things that make me think about, but like, can't do, I'm bad

[01:18:51] at body horror.

[01:18:52] Went to see the substance the other week.

[01:18:54] Jesus fucking Christ.

[01:18:57] Like, um, there was one point in that film where it would have been a blessed relief for

[01:19:01] me if I'd gone blind and deaf.

[01:19:03] Yeah.

[01:19:04] But like that, like that makes me feel my body Hannibal.

[01:19:09] I've never been able to get to the end of it.

[01:19:11] Good show.

[01:19:11] Never been able to get to the end of it.

[01:19:13] Great show.

[01:19:13] Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared was the same.

[01:19:15] It was, it's gruesome in a really unique way.

[01:19:20] And I really struggle with my parts of it.

[01:19:22] I don't think that Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared has, I think it has very minimal body horror,

[01:19:28] but I, that's why I found it so interesting when you said that.

[01:19:33] There's like organs in some of the YouTube ones.

[01:19:35] Yeah, maybe, yeah, one or two.

[01:19:37] Yeah, there's some episodes where it's like.

[01:19:39] But the TV show, not so much.

[01:19:39] No, the TV show, not so much.

[01:19:40] But like the YouTube stuff, there's like gory episodes where it's like a lot of flesh.

[01:19:47] Yeah.

[01:19:47] And then, yeah, you're right.

[01:19:48] I only agreed to watch it because last year Elsie said, please, for my birthday, can you watch the TV show with me?

[01:19:54] And I was like, well, if you want me to watch it bad enough that you'll be like, there's a special birthday present to me.

[01:19:59] I was like, yeah, fine.

[01:19:59] Who am I to deny you that?

[01:20:01] But we only watched three.

[01:20:02] And then this year we watched the next three because that's how much I can do of it at once.

[01:20:08] Yeah, that's why it surprised me so much that you said that because in the actual TV series, there isn't that much of that.

[01:20:15] But it freaked you out so much that it actually made you feel within your body strange.

[01:20:20] I was like, I'd like to leave my body now.

[01:20:22] Yeah.

[01:20:22] But we were talking about the body horror stuff the other day.

[01:20:24] And in that conversation, it made me realize I can, because Hannibal never really bothered me in that way.

[01:20:29] But like body horror stuff specifically, I'm okay if it's just visuals.

[01:20:35] But the second they add like sound effects related to it, it then stays with me forever.

[01:20:40] Like, I don't know if you've seen Cowboys vs. Aliens.

[01:20:43] I have not, no.

[01:20:44] There's a bit in that where there's like a flashback and Daniel Craig's wife is being dissected by the aliens.

[01:20:51] And like, you can't see any gore.

[01:20:53] You see her moving, her dead body moving from being dissected.

[01:20:57] And there's this visceral fucking sound effects that, because Hannibal very infrequently has any sound effects, it's just like a very, a very like artfully displayed body.

[01:21:10] It's after the fact.

[01:21:11] It's the sound effects that make me go, oh no, I can't, I can't.

[01:21:16] There was a bit in the substance where, and my boyfriend kept saying to me like, oh, we can leave if you want to.

[01:21:21] But by the point where I really needed to leave, there was about half an hour left of the film and I needed to see how it ended.

[01:21:27] But I turned, like I closed my eyes and I put my fingers in my ears.

[01:21:31] And it was so loud that I could feel the sound through the floor.

[01:21:35] And I was like, there's no point me having my fingers in my ears because I still know what's going on.

[01:21:39] It was like, I think it's good that films, some films are entertainment and some films are cinema.

[01:21:47] And I think it's really good that they can exist.

[01:21:50] I thought there was a lot of praiseworthy things to say about that film.

[01:21:53] I will not be seeing it ever again.

[01:21:55] And courage is cinema.

[01:21:57] Yeah, courage is cinema.

[01:21:58] It's not entertainment, unfortunately.

[01:22:00] It actually is very entertaining at times.

[01:22:03] But it makes me feel really weird.

[01:22:06] I'm the same.

[01:22:06] I don't, I don't like, I, I don't like body horror.

[01:22:10] I couldn't, I, I could not watch Saw or anything like that.

[01:22:14] Like, anything that's like, gonography, I can't, I can't do it.

[01:22:20] But things that are, like, very abstract.

[01:22:24] Like, I've seen certain bits from The Substance.

[01:22:29] Like, I've seen stuff on social media about, like, as far as I'm aware, there's no, like,

[01:22:36] basically, if sharp things are involved, I don't want anything to do with it.

[01:22:41] I mean, do you want to see someone sewing up their own back?

[01:22:44] No, I don't know.

[01:22:45] I don't want that.

[01:22:46] I didn't either.

[01:22:47] I didn't watch that part.

[01:22:50] There were so many parts where I, I was looking at my boyfriend.

[01:22:54] He was like, I'll tell you when you can look again.

[01:22:56] And then when he stopped looking, I was like, oh, we're in trouble now.

[01:23:00] We're in dangerous territory because he's not even looking at it.

[01:23:03] We have Alicia, a friend of the pod, who is even worse at any of this than all three of us

[01:23:07] because we watched Interview with a Vampire and there was some blood and she was like,

[01:23:12] no.

[01:23:13] Oh, neck sucking is fine.

[01:23:15] That's the thing is, I actually think that I'm really hard to shock.

[01:23:18] So I was shocked and I was like, well done, you shocked me.

[01:23:23] I do think that they should have warned it a bit more.

[01:23:26] Yeah.

[01:23:27] I like that opening BBFC card, like, body horror and underlined three times.

[01:23:33] Honestly, the Adam Buxton bit from Hot Fuzz is too much for me.

[01:23:37] Oh yeah.

[01:23:38] Fuck me.

[01:23:38] I can't do that.

[01:23:39] Or the bit where Timothy Dalton gets the thing through his jaw.

[01:23:42] I don't really don't like that bit.

[01:23:44] That I don't mind actually.

[01:23:46] Well, the reason that I hate that more is because what happens to Adam Buxton,

[01:23:50] I'll be dead.

[01:23:51] So I'm not feeling the pain from it.

[01:23:53] But Timothy Dalton lives through that.

[01:23:55] Obviously he doesn't.

[01:23:56] But have I ever told you that I had, again, I feel like I'm repeating stories on the podcast

[01:24:01] now, but something that's always been a really, um, like irrational fear for me is slipping

[01:24:09] outside a pointy gate and spearing my eyes through it.

[01:24:13] And Elsie fucking knows someone who a very similar thing happened to.

[01:24:18] Yeah.

[01:24:19] I mean, I know a person who knows a person.

[01:24:22] I hate it when you legitimize my fears.

[01:24:24] Did he slip and it went through his jaw or something?

[01:24:28] Yeah.

[01:24:29] And I told Elsie this fear.

[01:24:31] He needed speech therapy.

[01:24:32] And she responded to me by telling me that story.

[01:24:36] As in, yeah, it's possible.

[01:24:38] Yeah, it could happen.

[01:24:39] I just...

[01:24:40] No!

[01:24:40] Why would she do that?

[01:24:41] He may or may not have been drinking.

[01:24:43] When there's like, so hot fuzz, when it's stuff that's like quite grounded in reality,

[01:24:48] that is when it is like, because hot fuzz is very realistic.

[01:24:53] Like there's nothing fantastical happening.

[01:24:55] Yeah, sure, there's weird hijinks, but all of it's very possible.

[01:25:00] All of it looks like a lot of where we live and where we grew up.

[01:25:04] And it's like, oh, I don't like that.

[01:25:09] It has taken a turn, this one, hasn't it?

[01:25:11] Yeah.

[01:25:12] Yeah, we move on.

[01:25:14] It's Halloween special.

[01:25:15] Yeah, I suppose it is.

[01:25:16] Should we move on from body horror?

[01:25:18] Yeah, please.

[01:25:19] Is there...

[01:25:19] I don't think there's much body horror in Courage.

[01:25:22] Courage gets fucked up a lot.

[01:25:24] Well, there isn't much body horror, but you know, there's the matron, I guess, in the mask

[01:25:30] who beats the living shit out of him and his brains come out.

[01:25:34] Yeah.

[01:25:35] She hits him repeatedly with...

[01:25:37] With like an oven.

[01:25:38] Yeah.

[01:25:39] No, she hits him with lots of different things.

[01:25:41] She hits him with a fish.

[01:25:42] In fact, she starts hitting the shit out of him with a fish.

[01:25:45] Muriel sees her hitting him with a fish and goes, that's where the fish went to.

[01:25:51] It's like, if you love your dog that much...

[01:25:53] And invites her in, like, oh, a friend!

[01:25:55] Yeah, they are so willing to just let people in their house.

[01:25:59] And it's like, you live in the middle of nowhere and people have just rocked up.

[01:26:01] Maybe be a bit more cautious.

[01:26:03] Even Eustace doesn't care when people just turn up.

[01:26:05] There's one where Courage spies an alien that then comes down to Earth, knocks on their

[01:26:10] door.

[01:26:10] Or actually one of the scariest single frames, I think.

[01:26:14] It's got a, like, a trench coat on.

[01:26:18] It's tiny, right?

[01:26:19] So the trench coat is, like, dragging on the floor behind it.

[01:26:22] It's buttoned all the way up.

[01:26:23] You can only see its very round, bloodshot eyes.

[01:26:28] And it's just darkness.

[01:26:29] It's got a hat on.

[01:26:30] That sounds very salad fingers.

[01:26:32] Yeah.

[01:26:32] And there's, come on in!

[01:26:34] Have dinner!

[01:26:35] And it...

[01:26:36] Very tent...

[01:26:37] Oh, God.

[01:26:38] It's got, like, tentacles, right?

[01:26:40] So at one point it goes, I'm looking for kindness.

[01:26:44] And it puts its tentacle in Muriel.

[01:26:48] In her mouth, I think.

[01:26:49] And sucks out her kindness.

[01:26:51] And then fucks off to take the kindness back to the hive mind.

[01:26:55] And Muriel's really mean from that point onwards until she gets her kindness back later.

[01:27:00] And Eustace is fucking loving it.

[01:27:02] And she's, like, really mean to courage.

[01:27:05] And Eustace is like, yes!

[01:27:07] Finally, we're on the same page.

[01:27:08] Someone who won't let that dog bring dirty bits of shit in from the outside.

[01:27:14] Fucking hell.

[01:27:15] I was like, just stop letting these fucking creatures into your house.

[01:27:19] Oh, my God.

[01:27:22] Well, one thing I did want to say is...

[01:27:23] So I watched this, like, really young.

[01:27:25] And I was wondering how.

[01:27:27] Because in my head, I was like, I swear it was broadcast quite late.

[01:27:30] And I was right.

[01:27:31] I managed to find, like, some broadcast scheduling from the 2000s.

[01:27:34] And so I found a couple different days when it was on.

[01:27:38] And it was, so, like, August 2003.

[01:27:40] It was broadcast at 3 p.m. and 10.25 p.m.

[01:27:43] So school and should be asleep.

[01:27:45] And then February same year, 10 a.m. or 1 a.m.

[01:27:50] It's also like, Cartoon Network was still going at 1 o'clock in the morning.

[01:27:53] So many programs have stopped broadcasting.

[01:27:56] So that suggests that it was on both Cartoon Network and Adult Swim?

[01:28:01] Well, the UK, I don't think, did Adult Swim.

[01:28:04] Oh, of course, you were in the UK.

[01:28:05] Yeah.

[01:28:05] Yeah.

[01:28:06] Sure.

[01:28:06] And then...

[01:28:07] Well, how weird.

[01:28:08] And then other times it was broadcast at, like, 11 p.m.

[01:28:10] And I'm like...

[01:28:11] Well, I guess kids have TVs in their rooms.

[01:28:13] Yeah, I briefly did.

[01:28:15] I mean, if you can have a TV in your room,

[01:28:17] it's better if there's a kids channel that's going all night

[01:28:20] than you switch on to adult stuff, I suppose.

[01:28:22] I have, like...

[01:28:23] I had this...

[01:28:24] We had this, um, CRT, Boxy TV with the, like, you know, the...

[01:28:27] They took her TV off her when she phoned Babe Station.

[01:28:35] Thing is, they didn't.

[01:28:37] Because they didn't even know.

[01:28:39] And I was watching my parents' TV when I did that.

[01:28:46] I have this...

[01:28:47] When you watch Babe Station for the first time

[01:28:49] on your mum and dad's TV.

[01:28:50] It was just a card with the number on it.

[01:28:53] Like, there wasn't...

[01:28:53] That's Babe Station.

[01:28:54] Yeah, there wasn't, like, anything actually on the telly.

[01:28:57] And I was like, yes, I'll call these people.

[01:28:59] They know.

[01:29:00] They'll have information I need.

[01:29:07] I have no idea.

[01:29:08] What information were you looking for?

[01:29:10] I have no idea.

[01:29:12] But, like, I was always being curious.

[01:29:14] We had, in our living room, before we got, like...

[01:29:17] My dad very liked tech, so we got a plasma screen really early.

[01:29:21] We had a...

[01:29:22] Before that, we had a CRT with, you know, those, like...

[01:29:24] They had the VHS slots under the screen.

[01:29:27] Yes.

[01:29:27] Yeah.

[01:29:27] I had one of those because they put it in my room after.

[01:29:30] And I have this weird memory of watching, like, 1970s sci-fi.

[01:29:33] And that's the only thing I remember watching on that telly.

[01:29:36] But possibly I also watched Courage at 1.i.m.

[01:29:38] That is the best way to watch 1970s sci-fi

[01:29:40] is on one of those TV shows.

[01:29:42] But, yeah.

[01:29:44] So I either maybe watched it...

[01:29:45] Because, like, the other broadcast times were at the middle of the day

[01:29:47] when you should be at school, right?

[01:29:49] So I either watched it when I was sick

[01:29:50] or, for whatever reason, I was awake at 10 p.m.

[01:29:53] What a horrible thing to experience when you're off school sick.

[01:29:57] True.

[01:29:58] Is that.

[01:29:58] True.

[01:29:59] Or not able to sleep at 1 a.m.

[01:30:01] I mean, actually, that is...

[01:30:02] They are possibly the worst times for that show to be broadcast.

[01:30:07] Yeah.

[01:30:07] Or the best, depending on what you're trying to get out of it.

[01:30:11] Stoners in the 2000s fucking loved Cartoon Network

[01:30:14] at 2 o'clock in the morning.

[01:30:16] So I very, very love Cartoon Network

[01:30:19] and I'm, like, really sad at the current state of it

[01:30:22] because I can't...

[01:30:24] I couldn't find out exactly,

[01:30:25] but I think they've stopped broadcasting entirely.

[01:30:28] Like, I think, like, CITV, I think it's gone now,

[01:30:31] which I find very sad.

[01:30:35] But, yeah, so it's, like, really difficult.

[01:30:38] You activated Siri.

[01:30:40] I don't know what you said.

[01:30:44] She's just uppity, isn't she?

[01:30:46] See, it's, like, it's very difficult to watch a lot of Cartoon Network shows now

[01:30:50] because they're ripping them off of streaming services left, right, and center.

[01:30:54] So loads of them were on HBO Max and then in 2021 or 2022,

[01:30:58] they started just taking loads and loads and loads of them off.

[01:31:02] So, like, Over the Garden Wall, you have to pay to either each episode

[01:31:07] or you have to piracy, right?

[01:31:10] And they don't, you know, they stopped doing things like Over the Garden Wall,

[01:31:13] which was a one-off 10-episode thing that people still remember now.

[01:31:17] Like, they're celebrating their 10th anniversary this year.

[01:31:19] I thought... Do you know what?

[01:31:21] I thought it was older than that.

[01:31:22] It feels old.

[01:31:23] It feels like it's existed in the zeitgeist for longer than 10 years.

[01:31:26] Does that make sense?

[01:31:27] It does.

[01:31:28] That's one of the things I love about it.

[01:31:29] But, like, they don't...

[01:31:30] I didn't know it was a thing.

[01:31:31] Like, until I came back and you showed us for either movie night or Halloween,

[01:31:34] I was like...

[01:31:35] I think it was our Halloween movie night, actually.

[01:31:37] This is amazing.

[01:31:38] Why have I never heard of this?

[01:31:39] It's such a good show.

[01:31:41] It's a...

[01:31:41] They don't really do...

[01:31:42] Like, who's going to commission something like that now?

[01:31:45] Like, 10 episodes of something really creative.

[01:31:48] Because, like, Cartoon Network when I was a kid

[01:31:50] was where extremely creative shows thrived.

[01:31:54] And, like, they took risks.

[01:31:56] They did experimental stuff all the time.

[01:31:58] And it was all really good and really different.

[01:32:01] They didn't have, like, a style.

[01:32:03] You'd watch Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends,

[01:32:08] the kids next door,

[01:32:09] and then Courage.

[01:32:10] And they all look and sound completely different.

[01:32:13] And it's just...

[01:32:15] Well, I know that, like...

[01:32:16] I don't know the newer ones.

[01:32:17] I know that...

[01:32:18] Steven's Universe?

[01:32:21] Steven Universe, yeah.

[01:32:22] Adventure Time?

[01:32:22] They were Cartoon Network.

[01:32:23] Yeah, yeah.

[01:32:24] Adventure Time's the same guy that did Over the Garden Wall.

[01:32:27] Oh, okay.

[01:32:28] So, like, that was just a home for really creative

[01:32:30] and really varied stuff.

[01:32:32] And they don't do that anymore.

[01:32:33] Like I said earlier,

[01:32:34] they're making content based on established IPs.

[01:32:37] And it's so depressing.

[01:32:39] So, yeah, it pushes people to piracy,

[01:32:41] which means you...

[01:32:42] And you can't buy the DVDs.

[01:32:43] You have to get them secondhand.

[01:32:44] And then you can't support the creators.

[01:32:47] If they're not on streaming services,

[01:32:48] the creators get no dividends.

[01:32:49] If you can't buy it from them,

[01:32:51] they get no money from it.

[01:32:52] So, and there's loads of Cartoon Network-specific lost media.

[01:32:57] There's 297 articles on the lost media, like, wiki

[01:33:02] about specific Cartoon Network stuff that's lost.

[01:33:04] That's a lot for a channel that's not that old.

[01:33:07] Right?

[01:33:07] It's like some of them are specific episodes.

[01:33:10] It's not like whole shows.

[01:33:11] Yeah.

[01:33:12] But yeah, and then this is...

[01:33:13] So, one of the creators

[01:33:15] about the, like, recent culling of Cartoon Network stuff,

[01:33:19] like new Cartoon Network stuff,

[01:33:20] stuff that ended in 2021,

[01:33:22] said that what's happening on HBO Max

[01:33:24] is so scary from a creative perspective.

[01:33:26] Like, making a show for streaming services,

[01:33:28] you rarely get a physical release

[01:33:29] for it to air anywhere else,

[01:33:31] and be reminded that they can just delete it

[01:33:33] from existence if they want.

[01:33:34] All your work, all your portfolio, gone.

[01:33:37] Yeah.

[01:33:37] Horrible.

[01:33:38] Yeah.

[01:33:38] So, while researching this,

[01:33:40] I also then was like,

[01:33:41] all right, I'm gonna Google an external DVD driver

[01:33:46] and maybe some blank DVDs,

[01:33:48] because it's like,

[01:33:49] you both know I'm a very physical media person.

[01:33:52] Yeah.

[01:33:53] And I think this podcast is pushing me more and more

[01:33:55] in that direction,

[01:33:55] because we talk about lost media a lot.

[01:33:58] We talk about stuff that's impossible

[01:33:59] to get your hands on,

[01:34:00] that you're really precious about

[01:34:02] from when you're a kid,

[01:34:03] and it's just so sad that it's going.

[01:34:05] My boyfriend likes to do,

[01:34:07] like, to buy physical,

[01:34:08] like, to make a point of having things physically,

[01:34:11] and he's like,

[01:34:11] I just wanna have, like, everything

[01:34:14] so that it's...

[01:34:15] No one can take it from you.

[01:34:17] Yeah, pretty much.

[01:34:18] Because if it's on a streaming service...

[01:34:18] Because you own it then.

[01:34:19] Yeah.

[01:34:20] If it's on a streaming service,

[01:34:21] but for films.

[01:34:22] Yeah.

[01:34:23] If it's on a streaming service,

[01:34:24] they can arbitrarily get rid of it

[01:34:25] and never bring it back,

[01:34:27] never make it available to you ever again.

[01:34:29] And it's like,

[01:34:31] Spotify, Apple Music, iBooks,

[01:34:33] all of that stuff,

[01:34:34] you're kind of renting.

[01:34:35] So at any moment,

[01:34:36] that company can just go,

[01:34:37] nah, we're gonna change it permanently,

[01:34:39] we're gonna take it away from you,

[01:34:41] whatever.

[01:34:42] And I don't like that.

[01:34:43] What did you say earlier?

[01:34:45] If buying isn't ownership,

[01:34:47] piracy isn't theft.

[01:34:48] Because I was telling else about the printers,

[01:34:51] now with HP printers,

[01:34:52] you buy the printer,

[01:34:53] you buy the paper,

[01:34:54] you buy the ink,

[01:34:55] and now to use your printer,

[01:34:56] you have to pay a subscription fee.

[01:34:58] You buy the Xbox,

[01:34:59] you buy the subscription fee.

[01:35:01] Like, oh yeah,

[01:35:02] because like,

[01:35:02] you now have to pay extra

[01:35:04] for at least Xbox consoles.

[01:35:05] If you want a driver,

[01:35:07] like a DVD driver,

[01:35:08] like a CD driver,

[01:35:09] because they're pushing you so much

[01:35:10] towards having only digital media

[01:35:12] so that they can control it

[01:35:13] and take it away from you at any point.

[01:35:16] Yeah, I think things started going downhill

[01:35:18] when laptops stopped having DVD drives

[01:35:21] and now you have to get an external one

[01:35:23] if you want one at all.

[01:35:23] When they stopped having HDMI,

[01:35:25] HDMI,

[01:35:28] Yeah, HDMI.

[01:35:29] HDMI.

[01:35:30] Well, they now have it back

[01:35:30] because everyone was like,

[01:35:31] well, the fuck.

[01:35:32] Yours doesn't.

[01:35:33] No, they don't think yours does,

[01:35:34] but mine does.

[01:35:37] Yeah.

[01:35:37] Okay.

[01:35:39] Are we old?

[01:35:40] Old.

[01:35:41] I think we sound our age.

[01:35:44] You can't own anything.

[01:35:45] So old.

[01:35:45] You can't own anything these days.

[01:35:48] Because,

[01:35:48] but the thing is,

[01:35:49] things are so expensive now

[01:35:50] that like,

[01:35:51] people pay for convenience,

[01:35:53] which is Netflix.

[01:35:54] Netflix is convenient,

[01:35:55] but it's like,

[01:35:56] it's so hard to actually own.

[01:35:59] There's so many things

[01:36:00] that it's hard to own outright.

[01:36:01] Yeah.

[01:36:01] It's like,

[01:36:02] Netflix and the streaming service

[01:36:03] need to remember

[01:36:04] that they are only just,

[01:36:06] just more convenient than piracy.

[01:36:09] Mm-hmm.

[01:36:09] Because I'm this close

[01:36:11] to cancelling a bunch of them

[01:36:12] and just pirating shit

[01:36:13] because my dad,

[01:36:14] my dad.

[01:36:15] Yeah, yeah.

[01:36:15] Let's get that on record

[01:36:17] for when you're being fined.

[01:36:20] Oh, what are they going to do?

[01:36:21] No, because private piracy,

[01:36:24] totally legal.

[01:36:25] It's if I then shared it,

[01:36:26] that's illegal.

[01:36:27] So I can download it

[01:36:28] and watch it myself

[01:36:29] as long as I don't give it

[01:36:30] to anyone.

[01:36:30] Courage the Cowardly Dog

[01:36:32] with intent to destroy it.

[01:36:34] You wouldn't download

[01:36:36] Courage the Cowardly Dog.

[01:36:37] Oh my God.

[01:36:38] I saw a statistic

[01:36:39] about that the other day

[01:36:40] that that advert

[01:36:42] introduced the concept of piracy

[01:36:44] to so many people

[01:36:45] that didn't know

[01:36:46] it was a thing before.

[01:36:47] Yeah, that's where

[01:36:47] I learned about it

[01:36:48] as a child.

[01:36:49] Yeah, it actually increased piracy.

[01:36:52] Oh, that's a thing I can do.

[01:36:53] Yeah.

[01:36:53] Brilliant.

[01:36:54] My dad,

[01:36:55] so Singapore has

[01:36:56] the highest rates

[01:36:57] of media piracy

[01:36:58] in the world,

[01:36:59] which makes sense

[01:36:59] because the-

[01:37:00] It's full of tech people.

[01:37:01] It's full of tech people

[01:37:01] and the TV service there,

[01:37:03] it's called,

[01:37:03] one of them

[01:37:03] is called Star Hub.

[01:37:04] Terrible.

[01:37:05] You get things like

[01:37:06] six years late,

[01:37:07] like genuinely,

[01:37:08] they were on season.

[01:37:09] Yeah, it's because

[01:37:09] they've got to go through it

[01:37:10] and fucking take all of the-

[01:37:12] Stuff they don't like out.

[01:37:13] The gay stuff

[01:37:13] and the sex scenes

[01:37:15] and so funny

[01:37:16] when they,

[01:37:17] things in English,

[01:37:18] they like bleep out

[01:37:19] the wrong swear words.

[01:37:20] It's really,

[01:37:21] it's really insane.

[01:37:22] I love Singapore.

[01:37:22] I mean,

[01:37:25] sorry to interrupt you.

[01:37:27] If you needed any evidence

[01:37:28] that The Great Gatsby

[01:37:30] is a gay book,

[01:37:31] Laura didn't know

[01:37:32] about that chapter

[01:37:33] until she came back

[01:37:35] to the UK

[01:37:35] because they didn't teach it

[01:37:37] in her school.

[01:37:39] It wasn't in the book.

[01:37:39] It wasn't in the book.

[01:37:40] It wasn't,

[01:37:41] that like two pages

[01:37:42] just weren't in the book.

[01:37:42] Yeah,

[01:37:43] I remember me and Elsie

[01:37:44] having a conversation

[01:37:44] about it and Laura was like,

[01:37:45] what?

[01:37:46] What?

[01:37:46] And we were like,

[01:37:47] yeah,

[01:37:48] you know that,

[01:37:48] the gay dream

[01:37:52] she went,

[01:37:53] I've never read this before.

[01:37:55] And I've read the book.

[01:37:55] Taken two pages

[01:37:56] out of a classic novel.

[01:37:57] I love that book.

[01:37:58] I've read it many times.

[01:37:59] Me too.

[01:38:00] What the fuck?

[01:38:01] But yeah,

[01:38:02] so my dad had,

[01:38:03] oh yeah,

[01:38:03] so as season like seven

[01:38:06] of Game of Thrones

[01:38:07] was coming out,

[01:38:07] they were advertising

[01:38:08] new episodes,

[01:38:09] season two

[01:38:10] of Game of Thrones

[01:38:11] in Singapore.

[01:38:12] Wow.

[01:38:13] What the fuck, guys?

[01:38:14] Yeah,

[01:38:14] so piracy,

[01:38:15] loads of it.

[01:38:22] Basically,

[01:38:23] you tell it

[01:38:23] what shows you watch

[01:38:25] and it will every week

[01:38:26] as a new episode comes out,

[01:38:27] go and get the torrent

[01:38:28] and download it for you.

[01:38:30] Oh,

[01:38:30] that's so helpful.

[01:38:31] Yeah.

[01:38:31] A little helper robot.

[01:38:33] If only Siri could do

[01:38:35] something that helpful.

[01:38:36] Can we,

[01:38:37] sorry,

[01:38:37] can we tell the story

[01:38:38] about how we found

[01:38:40] your dad's Plex account?

[01:38:41] Yeah,

[01:38:42] so my dad uses this thing

[01:38:44] called Plex,

[01:38:44] which is like a media service.

[01:38:46] They do also stream,

[01:38:47] but that's sort of recent.

[01:38:48] It was like a way

[01:38:49] to host any movies

[01:38:51] and stuff you had

[01:38:51] so you could put them

[01:38:52] on your telly.

[01:38:52] And my dad has like

[01:38:54] a 10 terabyte

[01:38:55] little network thing

[01:38:56] in his house

[01:38:57] for all of these shows

[01:38:58] and movies he wants to watch.

[01:39:00] That's huge.

[01:39:00] And like,

[01:39:01] he bought that in like 2012.

[01:39:03] So at that point in time,

[01:39:05] 10 terabytes was so expensive.

[01:39:08] And Mimi and Laura

[01:39:09] wanted to watch Oceans.

[01:39:11] Yeah.

[01:39:11] And Plex records

[01:39:13] what you've watched

[01:39:15] and when.

[01:39:16] So we went on

[01:39:16] to Laura's dad's Plex account

[01:39:18] and he has watched

[01:39:20] all three Oceans films.

[01:39:22] For the past four years.

[01:39:26] Every year.

[01:39:27] Probably more

[01:39:28] because I don't think

[01:39:29] it recorded that

[01:39:30] until like 2020.

[01:39:31] I think he almost certainly,

[01:39:33] possibly for the last 10 years

[01:39:34] has watched it every year.

[01:39:35] When did it come out?

[01:39:36] 2000?

[01:39:37] I think it started

[01:39:38] in 2007.

[01:39:40] I want to say four.

[01:39:41] Did you make note

[01:39:42] of whether it was

[01:39:42] the same time of year

[01:39:43] every year?

[01:39:44] We tried to.

[01:39:45] I think it wasn't.

[01:39:46] It wasn't.

[01:39:47] I think two of the years

[01:39:48] it was like both in March.

[01:39:49] Can you imagine if it'd be

[01:39:50] like a special birthday treat?

[01:39:53] Whenever the mood takes him.

[01:39:53] No one knows

[01:39:54] what Simon does

[01:39:55] for his birthday

[01:39:55] every year

[01:39:56] is what's the Asians film.

[01:39:58] I mean they're good films.

[01:39:59] We went through my

[01:40:00] like because you can see

[01:40:01] the activity

[01:40:02] of the other people

[01:40:03] you share your Plex stuff with

[01:40:04] and it was just

[01:40:05] the most

[01:40:06] dad

[01:40:06] my dad

[01:40:07] and just generally

[01:40:08] dad stream it

[01:40:09] like Star Trek

[01:40:10] all of the Bonds

[01:40:11] or sorry

[01:40:12] all of the Daniel Craig Bonds

[01:40:13] more Star Trek

[01:40:15] war movie

[01:40:16] war movie

[01:40:17] war movie

[01:40:18] it was a lot of war

[01:40:19] yeah

[01:40:21] spy movie

[01:40:22] he likes military history

[01:40:23] car

[01:40:24] car

[01:40:25] car

[01:40:25] like that's just

[01:40:26] my dad

[01:40:27] car movie

[01:40:28] neatly summed up

[01:40:29] as his watch history

[01:40:30] he watches like

[01:40:32] some shitty

[01:40:33] Navy SEALs show

[01:40:34] and I'm like

[01:40:35] why are you so

[01:40:36] obsessed with

[01:40:37] he loves

[01:40:38] Olympus's Fallen

[01:40:39] he loves it

[01:40:40] and I'm like

[01:40:41] why

[01:40:43] and he watched

[01:40:44] all the Bonds

[01:40:45] even the bad ones

[01:40:46] yeah

[01:40:47] so he likes

[01:40:48] he likes Matt Damon

[01:40:49] yeah he loves Matt Damon

[01:40:51] as we all do

[01:40:51] yeah

[01:40:51] do you remember

[01:40:52] when we had

[01:40:53] used to have movie night

[01:40:54] and we went back

[01:40:54] through all the movies

[01:40:55] we'd watched

[01:40:55] and we realised

[01:40:56] to work out

[01:40:57] the biggest actor

[01:40:57] yeah

[01:40:58] and it was Matt Damon

[01:40:58] he turned up

[01:41:00] the most

[01:41:00] out of all the

[01:41:01] all the actors

[01:41:02] by accident

[01:41:03] I mean

[01:41:03] he just has

[01:41:04] a really good filmography

[01:41:05] nice guy

[01:41:06] nice guy as well

[01:41:07] because it's like

[01:41:08] some of we

[01:41:09] individually

[01:41:10] we'd all seen

[01:41:10] like amazing

[01:41:11] Matt Damon films

[01:41:12] we were like

[01:41:12] we've got to show

[01:41:13] each other

[01:41:14] the Matt Damon film

[01:41:15] it's like you

[01:41:16] Meg

[01:41:17] did Good Will Hunting

[01:41:18] which is now

[01:41:19] probably one of my

[01:41:20] favourite movies

[01:41:21] and The Martian

[01:41:21] and The Martian

[01:41:22] which also should be

[01:41:23] one of your favourite

[01:41:24] movies ever

[01:41:24] it's incredible

[01:41:25] do you remember how

[01:41:25] so good

[01:41:26] on the edge of my seat

[01:41:28] I was for that

[01:41:28] like whole film

[01:41:29] when I'm really

[01:41:30] engaged in a film

[01:41:31] I'm barely on the chair

[01:41:32] it's good when

[01:41:33] a three hour long

[01:41:34] film can keep you

[01:41:35] engaged for that long

[01:41:36] did I show you

[01:41:37] a Matt Damon

[01:41:37] I don't think I did

[01:41:39] Dogma

[01:41:40] I did Dogma

[01:41:42] Thor

[01:41:43] he is in that

[01:41:44] for about five seconds

[01:41:46] what else was it

[01:41:47] there were more

[01:41:48] there were more

[01:41:49] he just turns up

[01:41:51] yeah yeah

[01:41:51] we've not done it

[01:41:52] for a while

[01:41:52] he just

[01:41:53] this is what we do

[01:41:54] instead

[01:41:55] we just sit here

[01:41:56] and talk

[01:41:56] yeah we did it

[01:41:56] on Thursdays

[01:41:57] yeah we do

[01:41:58] we did it on Wednesdays

[01:42:00] but we do record

[01:42:01] mostly on Wednesdays

[01:42:02] yeah this is an anomaly

[01:42:03] yeah

[01:42:12] stupid dog

[01:42:45] this has been a good episode

[01:42:47] I think so

[01:42:48] yeah

[01:42:48] I mean that's not

[01:42:50] it's not for us

[01:42:51] to decide is it

[01:42:52] I've had a nice time

[01:42:53] I'm hungry now though

[01:42:54] I was very pleased

[01:42:56] to show you both

[01:42:57] this show

[01:42:57] because like

[01:42:58] I was reading

[01:42:59] other people's

[01:42:59] like opinions

[01:43:00] and stuff about it

[01:43:01] and like

[01:43:01] a lot of the time

[01:43:02] what people are saying

[01:43:03] is it's really hard

[01:43:05] to explain this show

[01:43:06] it's really hard

[01:43:07] to capture

[01:43:08] in words

[01:43:09] the vibe

[01:43:10] of this show

[01:43:11] and I think

[01:43:12] that's true

[01:43:13] and I think

[01:43:14] everyone should go watch it

[01:43:14] it's on

[01:43:15] internet archive

[01:43:16] like all of it's

[01:43:17] on internet archive

[01:43:17] upscaled as well

[01:43:19] which is nice

[01:43:19] thank god

[01:43:20] for places

[01:43:21] like internet archive

[01:43:22] it was down today though

[01:43:24] yeah I know

[01:43:24] it was yeah

[01:43:25] but yeah

[01:43:27] yeah I'm glad

[01:43:28] you both

[01:43:29] I mean I'm glad

[01:43:29] you enjoyed it

[01:43:30] and I'm glad

[01:43:31] you Elsie

[01:43:32] like it

[01:43:34] yeah I think

[01:43:35] that's a good way

[01:43:36] of summing it up

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[01:43:55] and we never do this

[01:43:57] but I have

[01:43:57] I've heard

[01:43:58] other podcasts

[01:43:58] doing it

[01:43:59] thank you

[01:44:00] to a cast

[01:44:01] for hosting

[01:44:02] our

[01:44:02] I heard this

[01:44:03] recently as well

[01:44:04] we never do that

[01:44:05] we've never done that

[01:44:06] so thank you

[01:44:07] a cast

[01:44:07] cheers a cast

[01:44:09] actually last night

[01:44:11] oh yeah

[01:44:12] we couldn't upload

[01:44:13] the podcast

[01:44:14] because it was

[01:44:15] over 150 megabytes

[01:44:16] maybe you could

[01:44:17] increase that

[01:44:18] please

[01:44:19] and happy

[01:44:19] halloween

[01:44:20] listeners

[01:44:20] this should come

[01:44:21] out around

[01:44:22] halloween

[01:44:23] yeah

[01:44:23] should do

[01:44:24] yeah

[01:44:24] see you at the

[01:44:25] live show

[01:44:25] if you've got tickets

[01:44:26] even though this is

[01:44:27] going to come out

[01:44:28] after the live show

[01:44:28] I hope you had fun

[01:44:29] at the live show

[01:44:30] yeah