Aaaand we're back for part two!
If you listen to things in the correct order, you'll have already heard us discussing the life of Enid Blyton, the genius of actor Jack Gleeson, the plot of the first book and its adaptation, and how we feel about it (we feel good about it).
Now we've got all that out the way, we can tackle big questions such as, "how do you adapt the work of an author who was racist?", "is George supposed to be interpreted as a transgender character?", and "should black actors be cast in Enid Byton adaptations? (yes)"
Enjoy!
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[00:04:52] Alright.
[00:04:53] Sorry, I've been...
[00:05:18] Not to commandeer this,
[00:05:20] because I'm sure that you're going to talk about it, Meg.
[00:05:22] But shall we talk about the media storm
[00:05:25] that happened when it was announced
[00:05:27] that the BBC were going to be adapting Edith Blyton?
[00:05:31] Please go for it.
[00:05:32] So, it was...
[00:05:35] So I was editing last night
[00:05:38] our Teletubbies episode.
[00:05:41] So I had my headphones in
[00:05:42] and Meg was watching a debate on this morning,
[00:05:46] which already just...
[00:05:47] what a fucking nightmare thing to do of an evening.
[00:05:50] So I wasn't...
[00:05:52] No, I mean, I wasn't listening.
[00:05:54] I was like, God, this is awful.
[00:05:55] Can you imagine having that debate, though?
[00:05:56] That's even worse.
[00:05:56] And it's like four o'clock in the morning.
[00:05:58] It was Richard Maidley
[00:05:59] and they were...
[00:06:01] They had various people on to talk about,
[00:06:02] is it good or bad that we're giving...
[00:06:05] that we're celebrating this writer,
[00:06:07] this old writer who was racist?
[00:06:09] Do you know what we do all the time in the UK?
[00:06:11] Put on Shakespeare.
[00:06:13] Well, yeah.
[00:06:14] I mean...
[00:06:15] I don't...
[00:06:16] I understand that as a conversation,
[00:06:17] but at the same time,
[00:06:18] it's like,
[00:06:18] we ignore it for so many writers.
[00:06:23] Why is it important now?
[00:06:24] I don't...
[00:06:25] Yeah, I don't know.
[00:06:26] I honestly don't know.
[00:06:27] But it was part of a wider conversation in the media
[00:06:29] that went on for a few weeks.
[00:06:31] It was like,
[00:06:32] do we celebrate her?
[00:06:34] Do we not?
[00:06:34] And it...
[00:06:35] Because it's different...
[00:06:37] When kids are involved,
[00:06:39] there's another element, isn't there?
[00:06:41] That's the thing.
[00:06:41] Adults can acknowledge when things are bad.
[00:06:45] Kids have to be taught those things.
[00:06:47] That's true.
[00:06:47] Because they were reprinting her books as well,
[00:06:50] which have...
[00:06:51] Well, a lot of the adults arguing
[00:06:53] that this was a bad thing
[00:06:54] are the,
[00:06:56] oh, it's the woke mob adults.
[00:06:59] And they're arguing...
[00:07:01] The adults that are talking
[00:07:02] against the woke group
[00:07:03] or the woke group?
[00:07:05] No, the adults who are arguing
[00:07:06] against the woke group.
[00:07:07] Just checking.
[00:07:08] Quote, unquote, woke group.
[00:07:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:09] Because they're saying things like,
[00:07:10] oh, why erase history?
[00:07:12] It was very important
[00:07:13] and we can just teach our kids like...
[00:07:15] It's a good learning opportunity.
[00:07:17] What they mean is,
[00:07:18] I think we should keep these racist words in.
[00:07:20] And it's...
[00:07:21] They always find a way
[00:07:23] to say what they don't mean.
[00:07:25] It's like...
[00:07:25] Or homophobic.
[00:07:26] You're arguing,
[00:07:27] oh, well, queer doesn't mean that back then.
[00:07:31] So, you know,
[00:07:32] why should we erase that from our history?
[00:07:34] And what they actually mean is,
[00:07:37] I think that the way gay people feel about this word
[00:07:41] is ridiculous and I don't care.
[00:07:42] But it's actually a different thing.
[00:07:45] What they're...
[00:07:45] The argument that they're using
[00:07:47] isn't what they actually feel.
[00:07:49] They're finding a way around it.
[00:07:50] Because we were talking about it earlier
[00:07:51] because you sent us this Daily Mail article about this
[00:07:54] and it was like they changed the words
[00:07:56] gay, queer, and brown.
[00:07:58] And for gay and queer,
[00:08:01] they...
[00:08:01] Like, from a...
[00:08:02] Not even thinking about, like,
[00:08:04] political correctness
[00:08:04] or any of that kind of stuff,
[00:08:06] those words do not mean the same thing anymore.
[00:08:09] So genuinely,
[00:08:11] for a clarity sense,
[00:08:13] it makes sense if you change that
[00:08:15] to happy and weird.
[00:08:17] Yeah.
[00:08:18] Well, one of the points
[00:08:20] on this GB News debate,
[00:08:23] they had a woman...
[00:08:25] Sorry, I don't know her name.
[00:08:26] I don't know any of the names
[00:08:27] of the men who were on this debate.
[00:08:28] And she was, like,
[00:08:29] patched in on a call
[00:08:30] and then it was, like,
[00:08:30] a room full of white men.
[00:08:32] And she made the point that, like,
[00:08:35] should you be teaching kids
[00:08:37] to use words
[00:08:38] that they would get into trouble
[00:08:39] for using at school?
[00:08:41] Because there is always the argument
[00:08:43] of let your kids read the books,
[00:08:45] explain to them
[00:08:47] that these words
[00:08:47] don't mean these things anymore,
[00:08:49] which is what my mum and dad did to me,
[00:08:50] but you're not always gonna have parents
[00:08:52] who are gonna do that.
[00:08:53] Yeah, you're relying on parents
[00:08:54] who read what their kids read
[00:08:57] and potentially read it with them.
[00:08:59] And you're also hoping
[00:09:00] for a relationship
[00:09:01] between parent and child
[00:09:02] where a child can ask the parent anything.
[00:09:05] It's just the age-old...
[00:09:08] It's fathers sending their sons
[00:09:11] to the same boarding school
[00:09:12] that they went to for generations
[00:09:14] light, isn't it?
[00:09:16] It's like...
[00:09:17] I want them to have
[00:09:18] the same experience as I did.
[00:09:20] Exactly.
[00:09:21] What you actually experienced
[00:09:22] when you were reading this book,
[00:09:23] you probably didn't go...
[00:09:25] You probably didn't read the word gay
[00:09:26] and have any kind of reaction
[00:09:28] to it whatsoever.
[00:09:29] And it's interesting
[00:09:31] because we have the knowledge
[00:09:33] that, like,
[00:09:34] when I read the book
[00:09:36] and they say...
[00:09:37] They use the word queer
[00:09:38] for odd a lot
[00:09:39] or she uses the word queer
[00:09:41] for odd a lot.
[00:09:41] It's one of the most notable things
[00:09:43] about these books.
[00:09:44] But I know
[00:09:46] and I don't...
[00:09:48] I read it as meaning odd
[00:09:49] because I have done enough reading
[00:09:52] in my life
[00:09:53] and grew up in a certain way
[00:09:57] that I know it means strange
[00:10:00] or I know that it...
[00:10:02] You know the context changes it.
[00:10:04] Yes, and I know that.
[00:10:06] Language evolves.
[00:10:06] And yeah,
[00:10:07] and it's not a word
[00:10:08] that jumps out at me
[00:10:10] for negative reasons.
[00:10:15] Even though you do notice it
[00:10:17] because it's been...
[00:10:18] It's a totally different context
[00:10:20] from how it's used today.
[00:10:20] And also it is used a lot.
[00:10:23] But...
[00:10:23] I think it's a great word.
[00:10:25] So, you know...
[00:10:26] But would younger people
[00:10:28] do the same?
[00:10:30] Because that word
[00:10:31] still to me
[00:10:32] also means strange.
[00:10:34] Well, because what...
[00:10:34] To younger people
[00:10:36] it probably doesn't.
[00:10:38] So what you're probably doing
[00:10:39] is a child is reading this
[00:10:40] especially if they're reading it
[00:10:41] on their own.
[00:10:42] They read the word queer.
[00:10:43] They don't know what it means
[00:10:44] and if it comes up a lot...
[00:10:46] So one of the things
[00:10:47] I was saying to Meg earlier
[00:10:48] is when you read stuff as a kid
[00:10:49] and you don't understand a word
[00:10:50] if it doesn't seem to matter
[00:10:52] for the overall context
[00:10:53] you kind of don't think much about it.
[00:10:55] You just move on.
[00:10:56] But if queer comes up
[00:10:56] a bunch of times
[00:10:57] then you will probably start going
[00:10:59] what does this mean?
[00:11:00] And if you talk to your kid
[00:11:02] you're like
[00:11:02] oh it means odd.
[00:11:03] If you say that to them
[00:11:04] end of story
[00:11:06] but that is...
[00:11:06] You're missing so much
[00:11:07] because you need to be like
[00:11:08] oh in this day and age
[00:11:09] it meant odd
[00:11:10] but today
[00:11:11] and then you have to have
[00:11:12] a huge conversation
[00:11:13] about what queerness is.
[00:11:14] So there's...
[00:11:15] There were a lot of articles
[00:11:17] of like
[00:11:18] calling her homophobic
[00:11:19] blah blah blah
[00:11:19] a lot of people say
[00:11:20] oh you shouldn't get rid
[00:11:21] of these words
[00:11:22] you know
[00:11:22] she uses gay
[00:11:23] it means happy
[00:11:23] she uses queer
[00:11:24] it means odd.
[00:11:25] She's not homophobic
[00:11:27] for say
[00:11:28] using the word
[00:11:28] queer as odd
[00:11:29] and using gay as happy.
[00:11:31] That isn't what makes her homophobic.
[00:11:33] And no one is saying
[00:11:35] that by...
[00:11:36] that she is by using these words
[00:11:38] they're simply saying
[00:11:39] those words don't mean
[00:11:40] the same things anymore
[00:11:41] or they have other meanings
[00:11:42] and other connotations
[00:11:44] and we should...
[00:11:46] There's many words
[00:11:48] in the English language
[00:11:48] we've got a lot of words
[00:11:50] in this language
[00:11:50] and there are many many things
[00:11:51] that we could replace those with.
[00:11:53] If anything
[00:11:54] it'll make it an easier read
[00:11:55] because there'll be
[00:11:56] other words used
[00:11:57] instead of just queer
[00:11:58] every other fucking line.
[00:12:00] You have like a list of six
[00:12:01] you go odd
[00:12:02] strange
[00:12:02] unusual
[00:12:03] and just switch them out
[00:12:04] like it genuinely
[00:12:05] just makes it easier to read.
[00:12:06] Well another thing
[00:12:08] that we need to talk about
[00:12:10] is...
[00:12:10] Oh there's a lot.
[00:12:11] Yeah.
[00:12:13] She was
[00:12:14] and we know this
[00:12:16] really racist
[00:12:18] and that's not
[00:12:19] up for discussion.
[00:12:21] Yeah.
[00:12:21] So in
[00:12:22] you sent us a message
[00:12:24] and you said
[00:12:25] I'm three pages in
[00:12:28] and I found the word
[00:12:29] and I won't say it.
[00:12:30] We were googling
[00:12:31] if you can say it
[00:12:32] because it's...
[00:12:33] I don't know
[00:12:34] if you can say it
[00:12:34] but it was three pages in
[00:12:36] and I was like
[00:12:37] Jesus Christ
[00:12:38] I knew
[00:12:39] but...
[00:12:39] So we all know
[00:12:41] of the racist dolls
[00:12:42] Yeah.
[00:12:43] Not good.
[00:12:44] The product.
[00:12:44] She has a book
[00:12:46] called the three...
[00:12:48] Yeah.
[00:12:49] We know.
[00:12:49] Insert word right?
[00:12:50] No genuinely
[00:12:51] Laura's making a horrified face
[00:12:53] right?
[00:12:53] Because they were toys
[00:12:54] at the time
[00:12:55] I guess it's like
[00:12:55] three raggedy Ann's
[00:12:57] but it's not.
[00:12:58] Yeah so basically
[00:12:59] in the third page
[00:13:00] Ann
[00:13:00] they're like packing
[00:13:01] and they're making fun
[00:13:03] of Ann
[00:13:03] when they went on holiday
[00:13:05] one time
[00:13:05] taking like
[00:13:06] every single doll
[00:13:07] that she has
[00:13:08] and
[00:13:09] Ann's like
[00:13:10] well
[00:13:10] Dick couldn't decide
[00:13:12] between which of his
[00:13:14] to take
[00:13:15] and it's just like
[00:13:15] he's actually got
[00:13:16] these dolls as
[00:13:18] toys
[00:13:18] and it
[00:13:19] I mean
[00:13:20] to us
[00:13:21] it's shocking
[00:13:21] clearly to no one else.
[00:13:23] Well one reason
[00:13:24] that this
[00:13:25] adaptation
[00:13:27] was
[00:13:28] controversial
[00:13:28] amongst a certain
[00:13:29] group of people
[00:13:30] is
[00:13:30] and we've not even
[00:13:31] mentioned this yet.
[00:13:32] Yeah yeah yeah
[00:13:33] racist.
[00:13:33] Oh yeah.
[00:13:34] We haven't
[00:13:35] I mean this is huge
[00:13:36] and we've not
[00:13:37] spoken about it
[00:13:38] because
[00:13:38] George
[00:13:38] it doesn't really matter.
[00:13:41] It
[00:13:41] George's mum is black
[00:13:42] and George is mixed race.
[00:13:44] I mean it's taken us
[00:13:45] this long to mention it
[00:13:46] but it's because
[00:13:47] it's a conversation
[00:13:48] that we need to have
[00:13:48] you know.
[00:13:49] But I said
[00:13:50] to look like
[00:13:50] well liberties
[00:13:50] are taken with this
[00:13:51] in a kind of
[00:13:53] David Copperfield
[00:13:54] race blind
[00:13:55] way.
[00:13:56] Stage production.
[00:13:57] Yeah.
[00:13:57] Hamilton-y.
[00:13:59] Yeah.
[00:13:59] Well Hamilton
[00:14:00] wasn't the first
[00:14:00] to do it
[00:14:01] but like
[00:14:01] in the same way
[00:14:02] that George
[00:14:03] is wearing
[00:14:04] Converse
[00:14:05] and as we
[00:14:06] discovered
[00:14:07] Converse began
[00:14:08] production in like
[00:14:09] 1912
[00:14:09] but they were
[00:14:10] for athletes.
[00:14:11] She would not
[00:14:12] have been cutting
[00:14:13] about in those.
[00:14:14] I mean
[00:14:14] 30 years later
[00:14:15] we don't know
[00:14:15] it's not
[00:14:16] they weren't worn
[00:14:17] casually.
[00:14:18] I wasn't
[00:14:19] saying why
[00:14:19] because you
[00:14:20] you returned this
[00:14:21] with Laura
[00:14:21] it's not trying
[00:14:22] to be historically
[00:14:22] accurate
[00:14:23] I was like
[00:14:23] I'm not asking
[00:14:23] about the history
[00:14:24] why are their
[00:14:25] genetics so different?
[00:14:26] To begin with
[00:14:26] me and Elsie
[00:14:27] were quite confused
[00:14:28] about when it
[00:14:28] was meant to be
[00:14:29] set because
[00:14:30] I was like
[00:14:30] well I know
[00:14:31] when the book's
[00:14:31] written but
[00:14:32] does it feel
[00:14:33] as old as that?
[00:14:34] I'm not at all.
[00:14:35] I think it pretty
[00:14:35] early on
[00:14:36] I was like
[00:14:36] okay this is
[00:14:37] the 1940s
[00:14:38] or the 1930s
[00:14:39] because the
[00:14:39] fashion does
[00:14:40] and the hair
[00:14:41] especially like
[00:14:42] the mum's hair
[00:14:42] does a great job
[00:14:43] of set.
[00:14:44] Oh my god
[00:14:44] the costumes
[00:14:45] are gorgeous
[00:14:46] the 1930s
[00:14:48] 40s trousers
[00:14:49] oh it's just
[00:14:50] the braces
[00:14:51] the in the
[00:14:53] second episode
[00:14:53] set on the train
[00:14:54] the posh people
[00:14:55] costume
[00:14:56] oh my god
[00:14:56] it's gorgeous
[00:14:57] I loved the
[00:14:58] costumes a lot
[00:15:00] also in the
[00:15:02] um second episode
[00:15:04] there's a
[00:15:04] there's a woman
[00:15:05] in it who
[00:15:06] I won't give you
[00:15:07] spoilers about
[00:15:08] who she is
[00:15:08] but something
[00:15:09] that a lot of
[00:15:10] like big
[00:15:12] productions
[00:15:12] that are like
[00:15:13] period pieces
[00:15:14] don't bother
[00:15:15] to change
[00:15:16] the eyebrow
[00:15:16] shape
[00:15:17] or the
[00:15:18] makeup
[00:15:18] and this is
[00:15:20] it's done
[00:15:20] really well
[00:15:21] in this
[00:15:22] the like
[00:15:23] most standout
[00:15:23] anachronism
[00:15:24] in like period
[00:15:25] pieces is makeup
[00:15:25] and hair
[00:15:26] because the
[00:15:26] sensibilities of
[00:15:27] modern hair
[00:15:27] and makeup
[00:15:28] are so radically
[00:15:29] different from
[00:15:30] basically any
[00:15:31] time previous
[00:15:32] but yeah
[00:15:33] people were not
[00:15:34] happy that they
[00:15:35] had put black
[00:15:36] characters in this show
[00:15:37] people are not
[00:15:38] happy that
[00:15:39] um uh
[00:15:41] company or
[00:15:42] publishing
[00:15:42] companies I
[00:15:43] think it was
[00:15:43] the national
[00:15:44] heritage that
[00:15:45] wanted to do
[00:15:46] this or did
[00:15:47] do this was
[00:15:48] you know remove
[00:15:48] the racist
[00:15:49] words and
[00:15:50] the homophobic
[00:15:50] words and
[00:15:51] well they're not
[00:15:52] homophobic words
[00:15:53] it's just make
[00:15:53] it easier to read
[00:15:54] and the violent
[00:15:55] words
[00:15:56] is that for a
[00:15:56] reprinting of the
[00:15:57] books yeah
[00:15:58] right okay um
[00:15:59] yeah so they're
[00:16:00] not happy that
[00:16:01] they want to
[00:16:02] remove the racist
[00:16:02] bits from the
[00:16:03] book they're not
[00:16:04] happy that black
[00:16:05] people might be
[00:16:06] involved in a
[00:16:06] production which
[00:16:07] to me it seems
[00:16:08] only fair if you
[00:16:10] know if not they
[00:16:11] could do more to
[00:16:13] have a book that's
[00:16:14] got you know
[00:16:15] racial uh code
[00:16:18] it would say
[00:16:19] coding a lot isn't
[00:16:20] it like yeah
[00:16:21] negative racial
[00:16:23] connotations to
[00:16:25] actually have black
[00:16:26] people involved in
[00:16:28] the production
[00:16:28] because you know
[00:16:30] who cares if
[00:16:31] he's turning in
[00:16:32] her grave about
[00:16:33] it literally who
[00:16:34] gives a fuck I
[00:16:34] think it's really
[00:16:35] good because I
[00:16:36] bet like her
[00:16:37] family her estate
[00:16:38] would have had to
[00:16:38] sign off on some
[00:16:39] of this so not
[00:16:40] necessarily the
[00:16:41] casting but like
[00:16:42] changing the books
[00:16:43] they'd have to agree
[00:16:43] to that anyways it's
[00:16:45] like who gives a
[00:16:46] fuck it's an
[00:16:47] adaptation made in
[00:16:49] 2023 nobody cared
[00:16:52] when they started
[00:16:53] when um Baz Luhrmann
[00:16:55] did Romeo and
[00:16:56] Juliet and it was
[00:16:58] set and Italian
[00:16:59] mobster yeah
[00:17:00] Italian mob like
[00:17:02] no one gave a shit
[00:17:03] about that
[00:17:04] was the black and
[00:17:06] the honestly the
[00:17:06] best part of that
[00:17:07] film yeah he's
[00:17:08] so good
[00:17:08] and the thing is I'm
[00:17:10] sure people did care
[00:17:11] about I'm sure there
[00:17:11] are people out there
[00:17:12] who gave a shit
[00:17:12] about it but it's
[00:17:13] like you're stirring
[00:17:14] the pot for things
[00:17:16] that reflect terribly
[00:17:18] on you and they
[00:17:22] people people are
[00:17:24] all always so um
[00:17:27] curtained with what
[00:17:28] they mean because
[00:17:29] they know they can't
[00:17:30] say they they don't
[00:17:33] want to admit this
[00:17:34] because I only want to
[00:17:35] see white characters
[00:17:35] in story I hold
[00:17:37] precious yeah that's
[00:17:38] what I'm trying to
[00:17:39] say yeah and it's
[00:17:40] like which is just
[00:17:41] you know that your
[00:17:42] reasoning isn't what
[00:17:44] you're saying yeah
[00:17:46] um I love them as
[00:17:48] well I think that it's
[00:17:49] really really well
[00:17:50] cast I know that we're
[00:17:52] not talking about
[00:17:53] Julian at the moment
[00:17:54] but Julian's just so
[00:17:55] cute I reminds me of
[00:17:57] the heart stopper
[00:17:57] ginger guy oh no
[00:17:59] he's prettier than
[00:18:00] that well he just
[00:18:01] reminds me of them
[00:18:02] I fancied Julian in
[00:18:04] the book so much as a
[00:18:05] kid well he was he
[00:18:06] was not the baby he
[00:18:07] was the older male one
[00:18:09] so yeah obviously you
[00:18:11] did it's the way that
[00:18:11] people fancied Milo
[00:18:13] because they're not
[00:18:13] gonna fancy Jake so
[00:18:15] as I said there was a
[00:18:17] reference to racist
[00:18:18] dolls in the third
[00:18:19] page there was
[00:18:21] referencing to spanking
[00:18:22] in the second chapter
[00:18:24] and at one point uncle
[00:18:25] Quentin says your mother
[00:18:27] is guided by me he
[00:18:29] literally says yeah
[00:18:30] your mother's guided
[00:18:31] by me great great
[00:18:33] do you know what
[00:18:34] your mother the
[00:18:34] mother's gonna do
[00:18:35] guide you to a
[00:18:36] fucking knife what
[00:18:37] the hell yeah so
[00:18:39] yeah that was
[00:18:40] horrible more like
[00:18:41] guide you to the
[00:18:42] exit all of this is
[00:18:43] terrible
[00:18:48] so yeah a big glass
[00:18:50] of wine you have
[00:18:51] the um what do you
[00:18:54] call it you have the
[00:18:55] word queer on like
[00:18:57] literally every page
[00:18:58] we're always thinking
[00:19:00] do you think she
[00:19:00] really liked to write
[00:19:01] out cues probably I
[00:19:03] love writing out a
[00:19:04] cue she clearly had a
[00:19:06] favorite word that's
[00:19:07] fine
[00:19:10] that's okay
[00:19:13] um so I've got things
[00:19:16] that I think that I
[00:19:19] like that the adaptation
[00:19:20] does so I'm gonna read
[00:19:22] you some of those and
[00:19:22] yes of course the
[00:19:24] dialogue of the
[00:19:25] children is so much
[00:19:27] more realistic and
[00:19:29] um we were talking
[00:19:31] about this off mic
[00:19:32] earlier um Elsie was
[00:19:35] saying about you mean in
[00:19:36] real life yeah off mic
[00:19:37] yeah just you know
[00:19:39] life is on and off mic
[00:19:41] it's only on or off
[00:19:42] mic that's it it is for
[00:19:44] us now Elsie has had
[00:19:45] had an opinion about
[00:19:47] the tweeness of the
[00:19:48] show if you want to
[00:19:48] share that opinion with
[00:19:49] us well not really I
[00:19:51] mean she wants to
[00:19:52] keep it to herself
[00:19:52] no I mean I don't
[00:19:54] know it yes I went
[00:19:57] I went into this kind
[00:20:00] of hoping that it would
[00:20:04] lean into it and kind
[00:20:06] of make it a part of
[00:20:08] it because that's what
[00:20:10] the show is like I
[00:20:11] do you think it didn't
[00:20:12] I don't think it did
[00:20:14] no so I was I saw a
[00:20:17] show in at the Edinburgh
[00:20:19] Fringe a few years ago
[00:20:20] it was Bumper Blyton
[00:20:22] which was basically
[00:20:22] like there's a bunch
[00:20:24] of different ones of
[00:20:25] these some of them do
[00:20:25] like Sherlock some of
[00:20:26] them do Shakespeare this
[00:20:27] one was Enid Blyton and
[00:20:29] it was improvised Enid
[00:20:30] Blyton and it was
[00:20:31] brilliant and they were
[00:20:33] like properly leaning
[00:20:34] into the humour of
[00:20:35] these precocious
[00:20:36] children that drink
[00:20:37] ginger beer and all
[00:20:38] that shit and because
[00:20:40] it took that genre and
[00:20:44] just reveled in it it
[00:20:46] was really enjoyable and
[00:20:47] I was hoping this show
[00:20:49] would do something
[00:20:49] similar and I think
[00:20:51] what it actually did
[00:20:52] was made it I don't
[00:20:57] I think the essence of
[00:20:59] twee is difficult to
[00:21:00] capture well yeah what
[00:21:01] I was gonna say was
[00:21:02] that in the book you
[00:21:05] know when you read
[00:21:05] books and you think
[00:21:06] kids don't speak like
[00:21:07] this because an adult's
[00:21:08] writing it I read the
[00:21:11] book and I thought even
[00:21:13] even in 1942 kids
[00:21:16] didn't speak like this
[00:21:17] like you could get away
[00:21:19] with thinking that now
[00:21:21] like 80 years later
[00:21:23] because you didn't live
[00:21:24] then you didn't grow up
[00:21:25] then I'm 100% sure that
[00:21:28] kids did not speak like
[00:21:29] this and I the tone of
[00:21:33] the show I think if you
[00:21:34] were to put things like
[00:21:35] hello Julian oh I do hope
[00:21:37] he will be okay in in the
[00:21:40] which is quite nanny
[00:21:41] mcphee it's um it's
[00:21:43] actually it works in
[00:21:44] nanny mcphee because
[00:21:45] nanny mcphee is
[00:21:46] stylized but this is
[00:21:47] realism so it is it's
[00:21:50] distracting yeah yeah
[00:21:51] yeah I when I when it
[00:21:52] first started when george
[00:21:53] was talking to her
[00:21:54] parents I did go in my
[00:21:55] head I immediately
[00:21:56] was like you sound too
[00:21:57] much like an adult but
[00:21:58] I do think in the show
[00:22:00] contextually for george
[00:22:01] that kind of makes sense
[00:22:02] because they say very
[00:22:03] early on she's not
[00:22:04] spoken to children her
[00:22:06] age in like a year
[00:22:07] yeah she's like wild and
[00:22:09] independent and an only
[00:22:11] child and doesn't speak
[00:22:12] to people her own age
[00:22:14] so it makes sense for
[00:22:15] her in the middle of
[00:22:17] nowhere um I always
[00:22:19] think that period things
[00:22:20] are a really really
[00:22:24] interesting sort of look at
[00:22:27] the way we think about
[00:22:28] the past yeah so I mean
[00:22:30] an example of this is
[00:22:32] there are some period
[00:22:34] things that properly go
[00:22:37] for the period so
[00:22:38] something set in the
[00:22:39] 70s will have like
[00:22:40] psychedelic orange
[00:22:42] wallpaper and that's
[00:22:44] actually not true of
[00:22:46] most houses in the 70s
[00:22:48] most houses in the 70s
[00:22:50] won't have been updated
[00:22:51] since the 50s like we're
[00:22:53] never fully in the
[00:22:56] decade that we're in
[00:22:57] I still have clothes that
[00:22:59] I wore 10 years ago
[00:23:00] yeah you don't wake up
[00:23:02] January 1st of a new
[00:23:03] decade and change your
[00:23:04] wardrobe in your house
[00:23:05] well that's it and like
[00:23:07] so a little while ago I
[00:23:09] watched um the Peter
[00:23:12] Jackson Beatles
[00:23:12] documentary get back and
[00:23:14] they're laughing she's
[00:23:15] laughing because I you
[00:23:16] know I do talk about
[00:23:18] this a lot
[00:23:18] you've had like a
[00:23:19] Beatles quarter
[00:23:21] I'm really going through
[00:23:22] my Beatles quarter
[00:23:25] months
[00:23:25] oh yeah no it's yeah
[00:23:27] anyway what I found
[00:23:30] really striking about it
[00:23:32] is obviously it's it's
[00:23:35] the footage has been
[00:23:36] upgraded a lot and it
[00:23:38] looks very very clear
[00:23:40] and
[00:23:41] well it's film so
[00:23:41] yeah even though it was
[00:23:44] 60 years ago you you
[00:23:48] watch it and it's like
[00:23:49] they are all behaving
[00:23:51] and talking like it could
[00:23:53] be yesterday and if you
[00:23:55] watch a show set like a
[00:23:58] scripted show set in the
[00:24:00] 60s the the language is
[00:24:02] different and it's all
[00:24:03] very groovy
[00:24:04] it's all very groovy
[00:24:05] man
[00:24:06] and but like in this was
[00:24:09] real and you're watching
[00:24:10] it and it's like oh I
[00:24:13] could talk to them like
[00:24:14] I'm talking now and and
[00:24:16] this show does the same
[00:24:18] thing it doesn't situate
[00:24:19] itself in the 40s and
[00:24:21] make it
[00:24:22] that well actually it was a
[00:24:23] little bit earlier than
[00:24:24] that wasn't it so I think
[00:24:26] it's done really really
[00:24:27] well because it feels it's
[00:24:29] got like a modern energy
[00:24:30] to it
[00:24:30] I think that it's so
[00:24:32] very like really easy
[00:24:34] this comes from the
[00:24:35] Victorians this mentality
[00:24:36] about people from the
[00:24:37] past it's so easy to
[00:24:38] paint them as totally
[00:24:39] different people and it's
[00:24:40] like no
[00:24:41] they were
[00:24:41] the only
[00:24:42] I think the only people
[00:24:45] that if you took a
[00:24:46] snapshot of a conversation
[00:24:47] from a particular period
[00:24:48] in time I think the only
[00:24:50] people that would be
[00:24:50] talking
[00:24:51] very
[00:24:52] time specific
[00:24:54] are teenagers
[00:24:56] yes because I think
[00:24:57] because they are
[00:24:58] innovators of language
[00:24:59] yeah I because like for
[00:25:00] sure sometimes when uh if
[00:25:02] I
[00:25:02] I'm talking to Sean and we
[00:25:04] rattle off a bunch of
[00:25:07] like
[00:25:07] new tech words slang and
[00:25:09] shit that my grandparents
[00:25:10] don't understand they have
[00:25:11] no idea what we're saying
[00:25:12] so
[00:25:13] and if you took some like
[00:25:14] gen alpha
[00:25:15] kids and had them
[00:25:17] really turn it up and talk
[00:25:18] for a minute I think I'd be
[00:25:19] sat there going
[00:25:21] what are you fucking talking
[00:25:23] about like actually what
[00:25:24] are you talking about
[00:25:25] goes the Rizzler
[00:25:25] yeah what the fuck does
[00:25:27] that mean
[00:25:27] and I think the only people
[00:25:29] you could get such a out
[00:25:30] of time feeling from the
[00:25:33] past would be teenagers
[00:25:34] teenagers
[00:25:34] yeah you're right
[00:25:35] because when you're an
[00:25:35] adult you talk fucking
[00:25:36] normally
[00:25:37] right
[00:25:38] yeah
[00:25:38] there's a few words that
[00:25:40] will be different like
[00:25:41] queer and gay or like
[00:25:43] ejaculation used to mean
[00:25:44] shout
[00:25:44] um kind of thing
[00:25:46] it also meant ejaculation
[00:25:47] as well
[00:25:47] but we
[00:25:48] Watson ejaculated
[00:25:49] home
[00:25:49] yeah but we
[00:25:52] but we
[00:25:52] quote
[00:25:53] yeah like
[00:25:55] Watson ejaculated
[00:25:56] homes out the window
[00:25:59] but like
[00:26:00] so there's words like
[00:26:01] so um
[00:26:02] a way to say
[00:26:03] someone had
[00:26:04] this was uh
[00:26:05] 1700s
[00:26:06] awful conversation
[00:26:07] meant
[00:26:08] awesome
[00:26:09] conversation
[00:26:10] so like
[00:26:10] awful used to mean
[00:26:11] awesome
[00:26:12] like sick
[00:26:13] yeah like sick
[00:26:14] so yeah
[00:26:15] it's awfully good
[00:26:16] yeah so if I said
[00:26:17] oh I had awful intercourse
[00:26:18] with that man yesterday
[00:26:19] in 1778
[00:26:22] that meant I had a great
[00:26:23] conversation with him
[00:26:25] yeah but no one's ever
[00:26:27] said I had awful
[00:26:28] intercourse
[00:26:29] with that man
[00:26:30] yesterday
[00:26:30] but they did
[00:26:32] in the 1700s
[00:26:34] now it means
[00:26:34] two very specific
[00:26:36] different things
[00:26:36] but it's still
[00:26:37] normal speech
[00:26:38] right
[00:26:39] that's all I'm saying
[00:26:40] is that
[00:26:41] things pretty much
[00:26:42] say the same
[00:26:42] so all
[00:26:44] all that to say
[00:26:45] my long spiel
[00:26:47] apologies
[00:26:47] all that to say
[00:26:48] I think that the way
[00:26:49] that they treat
[00:26:51] the periodness
[00:26:52] of this show
[00:26:53] is pitched
[00:26:55] very very well
[00:26:56] it's not distracting
[00:26:57] at all
[00:26:58] it's so weird
[00:26:59] because me and
[00:26:59] I remember
[00:27:00] we've had the
[00:27:01] conversation about
[00:27:02] like oh houses
[00:27:03] in the 70s
[00:27:04] didn't actually look
[00:27:04] like how houses
[00:27:05] in the 70s
[00:27:06] are portrayed
[00:27:06] I remember the
[00:27:08] very first time
[00:27:08] we had that
[00:27:09] discussion
[00:27:10] we had this
[00:27:11] discussion
[00:27:12] when we were
[00:27:13] in college
[00:27:14] and we
[00:27:16] oh those
[00:27:17] were the days
[00:27:18] we went to
[00:27:19] over like
[00:27:20] between Christmas
[00:27:21] and New Year
[00:27:22] went to Whitby
[00:27:23] with my mum
[00:27:23] and dad
[00:27:24] yes we did
[00:27:25] that was lovely
[00:27:25] thank you for
[00:27:26] taking me
[00:27:26] I remember
[00:27:27] sitting on a
[00:27:28] bench
[00:27:28] near the
[00:27:30] whale bones
[00:27:31] and having
[00:27:32] that exact
[00:27:33] conversation
[00:27:34] with you
[00:27:35] you know what
[00:27:36] that was one
[00:27:37] of the happiest
[00:27:38] moments of my
[00:27:38] life
[00:27:39] oh my god
[00:27:40] yeah
[00:27:41] honestly
[00:27:42] like being
[00:27:43] it was my
[00:27:43] first
[00:27:43] I don't know
[00:27:44] what to do
[00:27:44] it was my
[00:27:45] first friend
[00:27:46] holiday
[00:27:46] and it was
[00:27:48] it was dark
[00:27:49] and we were
[00:27:49] looking over
[00:27:50] Whitby
[00:27:50] and we were
[00:27:51] just sat on
[00:27:51] the bench
[00:27:51] together
[00:27:52] having a chat
[00:27:52] and you
[00:27:53] pointed out
[00:27:54] to me
[00:27:54] something
[00:27:55] that I'd
[00:27:55] never noticed
[00:27:55] before
[00:27:56] the divide
[00:27:57] between
[00:27:58] halogen
[00:27:59] and LED
[00:27:59] street lighting
[00:28:00] I miss
[00:28:05] the sodium
[00:28:06] glow
[00:28:06] yes
[00:28:07] it was
[00:28:09] because we
[00:28:09] were sat
[00:28:09] on a bench
[00:28:10] and there
[00:28:10] was like
[00:28:11] an old
[00:28:11] fashioned
[00:28:12] lantern
[00:28:12] kind of
[00:28:14] light
[00:28:14] and I
[00:28:14] was like
[00:28:14] those were
[00:28:15] the day
[00:28:16] yeah
[00:28:16] that's it
[00:28:17] yeah
[00:28:17] look I
[00:28:17] understand
[00:28:18] that LEDs
[00:28:18] are more
[00:28:19] efficient
[00:28:19] I get it
[00:28:20] they're better
[00:28:20] for the
[00:28:20] environment
[00:28:21] but I
[00:28:21] don't like
[00:28:22] them
[00:28:23] it's too
[00:28:24] cold
[00:28:24] it's also
[00:28:25] not bright
[00:28:26] enough
[00:28:26] can you
[00:28:27] imagine
[00:28:27] how lame
[00:28:28] it is
[00:28:28] 17 year
[00:28:29] old me
[00:28:30] was going
[00:28:31] oh I
[00:28:31] don't like
[00:28:32] the new
[00:28:32] LEDs
[00:28:33] and I never
[00:28:34] thought about it
[00:28:34] but we were
[00:28:35] looking over
[00:28:36] a whole town
[00:28:36] and I was like
[00:28:37] you know what Meg
[00:28:38] you're right
[00:28:38] they've updated
[00:28:39] those and they've
[00:28:40] not updated
[00:28:40] those and it
[00:28:41] looks better
[00:28:41] over there
[00:28:42] me and Meg
[00:28:42] have had this
[00:28:43] conversation like
[00:28:43] three times
[00:28:45] because like
[00:28:46] when we first
[00:28:47] moved here
[00:28:47] not every single
[00:28:48] streetlight around
[00:28:49] us was LEDs
[00:28:50] now they're all
[00:28:50] LEDs
[00:28:51] your home street
[00:28:52] got turned into
[00:28:53] LEDs while we've
[00:28:53] known each other
[00:28:54] yeah I remember
[00:28:55] it happening
[00:28:56] and then one day
[00:28:57] I went
[00:28:58] because obviously
[00:28:59] you don't go
[00:28:59] home for months
[00:29:00] and then you go
[00:29:01] home and suddenly
[00:29:01] your village is a bit
[00:29:02] darker than it
[00:29:03] used to be
[00:29:04] I don't remember
[00:29:05] it being this
[00:29:06] dark
[00:29:07] because LED lights
[00:29:09] diffuse less
[00:29:09] through the air
[00:29:10] so that like
[00:29:11] the actual light
[00:29:12] from a streetlamp
[00:29:13] if it's an LED
[00:29:13] streetlamp
[00:29:14] doesn't go as far
[00:29:15] so it literally
[00:29:16] is dimmer
[00:29:17] anyway our last
[00:29:18] episode was fucking
[00:29:19] long so should we
[00:29:20] round up this one
[00:29:21] I have
[00:29:21] no I've got loads
[00:29:22] left to say
[00:29:22] I know
[00:29:23] I know
[00:29:24] how long have we
[00:29:25] been recording
[00:29:27] an hour and 45
[00:29:28] oh my god
[00:29:29] briefly I just want
[00:29:30] to talk about
[00:29:30] parenting
[00:29:32] right okay
[00:29:33] well you can try
[00:29:34] and keep it free
[00:29:35] just something I
[00:29:38] learned watching
[00:29:39] this show is
[00:29:40] specific lessons
[00:29:41] that I will teach
[00:29:42] my children
[00:29:43] wow
[00:29:44] this is quite a
[00:29:45] claim
[00:29:45] I don't want kids
[00:29:47] but if I were to
[00:29:48] have kids I would
[00:29:49] make sure that if
[00:29:50] they came across
[00:29:51] an unusually
[00:29:54] dressed man in
[00:29:55] the woods
[00:29:57] oh this show
[00:29:59] taught you that
[00:30:00] or any man in
[00:30:01] the woods
[00:30:01] I would just
[00:30:01] they're fine
[00:30:02] like like I feel
[00:30:04] like yes I knew
[00:30:04] this and you teach
[00:30:05] your kids stranger
[00:30:06] danger but clearly
[00:30:07] George has never
[00:30:08] been taught stranger
[00:30:09] danger because she
[00:30:10] comes across this
[00:30:12] man in the woods
[00:30:13] while she is hiding
[00:30:14] from two other men
[00:30:15] in the woods right
[00:30:15] so she comes across
[00:30:16] this man in the woods
[00:30:17] who pops up
[00:30:18] that's already a
[00:30:18] problem
[00:30:19] yeah he pops up
[00:30:20] into her hiding
[00:30:21] place he's wearing
[00:30:22] a weird hat and
[00:30:23] um the I think this
[00:30:25] actor always gives
[00:30:27] off the vibe of
[00:30:28] strange like like
[00:30:29] eccentric man I
[00:30:30] can't remember what
[00:30:31] his name is um but
[00:30:33] George happily accepts
[00:30:34] everything this guy
[00:30:35] is saying and brings
[00:30:36] him home and hides
[00:30:39] him in their attic
[00:30:40] or whatever and I'm
[00:30:41] like that's very
[00:30:41] whistle down the
[00:30:42] wind of them just
[00:30:43] just I want my
[00:30:45] kids to have the
[00:30:47] critical thinking to
[00:30:48] maybe question a
[00:30:50] little further just
[00:30:53] a little bit further
[00:30:53] but like what or
[00:30:54] tell me that they've
[00:30:55] brought a strange
[00:30:56] man into the house
[00:30:57] who needs help
[00:30:57] don't hide him in
[00:30:59] the attic like and
[00:31:01] then they they trust
[00:31:02] Jack Gleeson as well
[00:31:03] and it's like they
[00:31:03] don't question that
[00:31:04] they've not gone to
[00:31:05] any point why are you
[00:31:06] acting so fucking
[00:31:07] weird you know what I
[00:31:08] don't think they ever
[00:31:08] did trust Jack Gleeson
[00:31:10] they were a little bit
[00:31:11] wary of that freak
[00:31:12] they go into a hole
[00:31:13] when he says to you
[00:31:15] yeah yeah yeah they do
[00:31:16] go into a hole to be
[00:31:17] fair just stand up for
[00:31:18] yourself a little bit
[00:31:19] more because that's
[00:31:19] weird and you should
[00:31:20] recognize that that is
[00:31:21] weird that's all I'm
[00:31:22] saying there's one
[00:31:24] really important thing
[00:31:25] that we haven't
[00:31:25] discussed at all and
[00:31:26] that's George
[00:31:29] what about her
[00:31:30] George wants to be a
[00:31:32] boy yes so I you
[00:31:35] don't you don't get
[00:31:35] that from the show
[00:31:36] um or at least I
[00:31:38] didn't get that from
[00:31:38] the show I think you
[00:31:40] do but one thing
[00:31:41] that I've written down
[00:31:42] that I do like about
[00:31:43] the show is that
[00:31:44] less of a deal is
[00:31:46] made about it than
[00:31:47] in the book so like
[00:31:48] yeah for sure no one's
[00:31:49] telling her
[00:31:50] one thing I've written
[00:31:50] here is um Dick
[00:31:52] misnames George the
[00:31:54] same way your 80 year
[00:31:55] old grandmother would
[00:31:56] misname you and then
[00:31:57] I've written a quote
[00:31:58] sorry said Dick
[00:31:59] hastily I didn't mean
[00:32:00] to call you George
[00:32:01] Gina I meant to call
[00:32:02] you George that is
[00:32:03] exactly how your 80
[00:32:05] year old transphobic
[00:32:06] grandmother would name
[00:32:08] you if she was trying
[00:32:09] to make a point and I
[00:32:11] like the fact that
[00:32:13] obviously the show
[00:32:14] doesn't make a big
[00:32:15] deal about it the
[00:32:16] same way that you
[00:32:18] shouldn't you
[00:32:18] shouldn't yeah but
[00:32:21] this has been like
[00:32:22] one thing that that
[00:32:24] it does get does get
[00:32:26] talked about a lot is
[00:32:28] are we supposed to
[00:32:30] interpret George as
[00:32:32] a trans character I
[00:32:33] just interpreted her
[00:32:34] because when I was a
[00:32:35] kid I was quite
[00:32:37] masculine as a child
[00:32:39] because it was very
[00:32:39] you know Tom I
[00:32:40] don't like the phrase
[00:32:41] tomboy but I was
[00:32:42] very tomboyish as a
[00:32:43] child to some extent
[00:32:45] because when we were
[00:32:46] kids there was still
[00:32:47] this sentiment about
[00:32:48] girly being weak I
[00:32:51] think it's and I'm
[00:32:53] not trans that's why
[00:32:54] I'm probably projecting
[00:32:55] on to George but I
[00:32:56] think it's interesting
[00:32:57] because there's so
[00:33:00] another thing that's
[00:33:01] been taken out of the
[00:33:02] books is that George
[00:33:04] would go by mistress
[00:33:07] like so like if older
[00:33:10] people would call her
[00:33:12] like miss mistress
[00:33:13] Georgina yeah or miss
[00:33:15] Georgina or whatever
[00:33:15] she would only go by
[00:33:17] master master's been
[00:33:19] taken out obviously
[00:33:20] because of the woke
[00:33:21] mob isn't the most
[00:33:22] we just don't use that
[00:33:23] word anymore it's got
[00:33:24] slavery connotations
[00:33:26] that's why we don't
[00:33:27] use it anymore that's
[00:33:28] the same way no one
[00:33:29] calls it a master
[00:33:30] bedroom anymore
[00:33:31] I have a master
[00:33:34] like so do you Meg we're
[00:33:36] masters yeah so
[00:33:38] else is just a bachelor
[00:33:40] so I don't know if you
[00:33:41] if you would um yeah
[00:33:43] well now you've said I
[00:33:44] didn't know that or
[00:33:45] maybe yeah I didn't know
[00:33:46] I didn't know like if
[00:33:48] you'd read it if you
[00:33:49] would think differently
[00:33:50] because there's like
[00:33:51] points in the book where
[00:33:52] she's mistaken for a boy
[00:33:54] and she likes that okay
[00:33:55] if I'd have read that
[00:33:56] I'm 100% on your side
[00:33:58] that's reading very much
[00:33:59] as at least not fully
[00:34:02] cis right yeah maybe
[00:34:04] we are supposed to read
[00:34:05] it like that but also
[00:34:06] did Enid Blyton mean
[00:34:08] it like that no I don't
[00:34:09] think Enid Blyton did
[00:34:11] mean it like that but
[00:34:12] she goes pretty hard with
[00:34:14] some of the like she
[00:34:16] will not respond to you
[00:34:17] if you call her Georgina
[00:34:19] she wants to be a boy
[00:34:22] she says that she
[00:34:24] doesn't want to be a girl
[00:34:26] which she's literally
[00:34:27] asking the equivalent
[00:34:28] of please call me he
[00:34:29] him rather than she
[00:34:30] her pretty much
[00:34:31] yeah and um yeah
[00:34:35] can you imagine the
[00:34:37] like no no no no do
[00:34:38] not address me as
[00:34:39] mistress like I'd love
[00:34:41] that I love that version
[00:34:43] of oh I'm gonna go by
[00:34:45] he him call me master
[00:34:51] power move yeah hit the
[00:34:53] floor and call to your
[00:34:54] daddy all right
[00:34:56] sorry I've been
[00:34:58] the rhythm of life
[00:35:00] is a powerful thing
[00:35:02] there's a tingle in your
[00:35:03] fingers and a tingle in
[00:35:04] your feet I don't know
[00:35:06] why I said that I the
[00:35:07] other night I was
[00:35:08] listening to that song
[00:35:09] rhythm in your battery
[00:35:09] rhythm in the street
[00:35:10] yes the rhythm of life
[00:35:12] has a powerful beat
[00:35:16] um so I don't know I
[00:35:17] just think it's
[00:35:18] interesting because the
[00:35:19] show obviously I think
[00:35:21] if they were gonna deal
[00:35:22] with that they'd deal
[00:35:23] with it later I think
[00:35:24] like a further future
[00:35:25] episodes if they were
[00:35:26] going to well they do
[00:35:28] it in a just like this
[00:35:28] is the way she is kind
[00:35:30] of way I I also
[00:35:33] wonder if of all the
[00:35:35] things that they've done
[00:35:35] with the show that
[00:35:36] people didn't like like
[00:35:38] the casting black
[00:35:40] characters or black
[00:35:43] actors in quote unquote
[00:35:44] white roles people were
[00:35:46] already mad about that
[00:35:47] if you turned around
[00:35:48] and was like um oh
[00:35:50] she's trans and not
[00:35:51] white that's your
[00:35:52] funding pulled yeah
[00:35:53] like that's unfortunately
[00:35:56] that's offcom overloaded
[00:35:58] with complaints I think
[00:36:00] it's I don't know if
[00:36:00] this was actually aired I
[00:36:02] think it was just
[00:36:02] released on iPlayer
[00:36:03] that's a shame that is
[00:36:05] a shame um so I don't
[00:36:07] know maybe offcom
[00:36:09] wouldn't have been
[00:36:09] overloaded with results
[00:36:10] because I mean I knew
[00:36:11] it existed because I'd
[00:36:13] seen a trailer for it
[00:36:15] but like one trailer
[00:36:17] probably when I was at
[00:36:18] my mum and dad's or
[00:36:19] somewhere watching live
[00:36:20] tv one of the BBC um
[00:36:23] seasonal trailers I
[00:36:25] don't think so but I
[00:36:26] literally saw one I
[00:36:28] wouldn't have known it
[00:36:28] existed if it hadn't
[00:36:29] been for that yeah I had
[00:36:30] no idea so I've not even
[00:36:32] seen the third episode
[00:36:33] and I already hope it
[00:36:34] gets recommissioned I
[00:36:35] really because I really
[00:36:37] liked the third episode
[00:36:38] um it was maybe the
[00:36:40] least narratively clear
[00:36:43] like it was a bit
[00:36:44] confused yeah but I
[00:36:46] I really like the
[00:36:47] interactions between the
[00:36:48] characters that there's
[00:36:50] more like supernatural
[00:36:51] stuff sprinkled in
[00:36:52] I I every character in
[00:36:54] that episode is doing
[00:36:55] stuff that I was like
[00:36:57] yes and then it ended
[00:36:59] with kind of kind of a
[00:37:00] cliffhanger so yeah I
[00:37:03] don't know if we're
[00:37:04] gonna make some enemies
[00:37:06] for saying that I mean
[00:37:08] George is trans
[00:37:09] yeah let's say it
[00:37:11] I think you know it
[00:37:13] once you book one for
[00:37:15] sure once you write a
[00:37:16] book once you produce
[00:37:17] any sort of media once
[00:37:18] it's out in the world
[00:37:19] people can do with it as
[00:37:20] they wish and there's
[00:37:21] nothing you can do about
[00:37:21] that and you can get you
[00:37:24] can get mad about it till
[00:37:25] the cows come home but
[00:37:27] nothing is going to change
[00:37:29] the fact that people
[00:37:29] interpret them like this
[00:37:30] and I think that this is
[00:37:31] one of the times where
[00:37:33] it's you're not clutching
[00:37:35] at straws there is
[00:37:36] actual evidence in the
[00:37:38] you know suggestions
[00:37:40] she literally said don't
[00:37:42] call me mistress and it
[00:37:43] no and it's like if this
[00:37:45] character existed now
[00:37:46] would we interpret her
[00:37:47] differently are we only
[00:37:49] like reticent to interpret
[00:37:50] her this way because
[00:37:53] people are already mad that
[00:37:56] they're changing words in
[00:37:57] the books now the thing
[00:37:58] is it's like that with the
[00:38:00] words in the books I know
[00:38:00] we keep coming back to it
[00:38:01] but it's not like they're
[00:38:03] banning them they're not
[00:38:04] banning them they're not
[00:38:05] saying let's get rid of
[00:38:06] this from you can just
[00:38:08] buy one of the many
[00:38:10] many many many previous
[00:38:12] editions that are floating
[00:38:13] around in the world I
[00:38:14] mean yeah you could
[00:38:14] probably find these books
[00:38:15] in literally any charity
[00:38:16] shop ever literally just
[00:38:18] go online by secondhand
[00:38:19] off Amazon like honestly
[00:38:20] I might I don't think
[00:38:22] you need to buy them I
[00:38:23] found a p you just type
[00:38:25] sure PDF online and
[00:38:27] that's how I read it um
[00:38:29] wonder how much fan
[00:38:30] fiction there is oh god
[00:38:31] let's not go there um
[00:38:33] so like I I personally
[00:38:35] don't see a problem with
[00:38:37] it and I do think that
[00:38:38] the people who are having
[00:38:40] a problem with it are
[00:38:42] lying about the reasons
[00:38:43] why they're having I
[00:38:44] think I agree I think
[00:38:45] if you get into the mess
[00:38:48] of changing novels
[00:38:50] changing stories and
[00:38:52] you're changing significant
[00:38:55] plot stuff or you're
[00:38:56] changing words that are
[00:38:57] significant to
[00:38:58] characters in the book
[00:38:59] like the Roald Dahl one
[00:39:01] gets more complicated
[00:39:01] because of this kind of
[00:39:02] thing but changing a
[00:39:04] handful of words that
[00:39:06] do not affect the plot
[00:39:07] or characters in any
[00:39:08] way chill out well the
[00:39:10] Roald Dahl one's like
[00:39:11] do I think that kids
[00:39:14] should learn that fat is
[00:39:15] bad or that people
[00:39:17] should be treated
[00:39:18] differently because
[00:39:18] they're fat like no
[00:39:20] it's also like Roald
[00:39:23] does not going to be the
[00:39:24] only place that you
[00:39:24] have that no exactly
[00:39:26] fucking Harry Potter
[00:39:27] Harry Potter
[00:39:28] Rudyard Kipling
[00:39:31] notorious racist
[00:39:32] all the fucking
[00:39:34] Disney
[00:39:35] yeah I mean it's
[00:39:37] it's literally
[00:39:37] everywhere and
[00:39:39] I mean even shows
[00:39:41] because times move so
[00:39:43] quickly there have been
[00:39:44] shows that we've
[00:39:45] watched recently and
[00:39:47] talked about that have
[00:39:48] had things moments
[00:39:50] where we've gone oh
[00:39:51] like in all of
[00:39:52] courage
[00:39:53] all of heads
[00:39:54] and there's like an
[00:39:55] Indian doctor in
[00:39:56] courage
[00:39:57] a cowly dog and
[00:39:57] isn't his name like
[00:39:58] Dr. Vindaloo or
[00:39:59] his name is Dr.
[00:40:00] Vindaloo
[00:40:00] and so I didn't
[00:40:02] what before I
[00:40:03] before that episode
[00:40:04] came out no sorry
[00:40:05] after that episode
[00:40:06] came out I learned
[00:40:07] that his name is
[00:40:08] Dr. Vindaloo
[00:40:09] and I mean he's
[00:40:12] also every time
[00:40:13] accompanied with
[00:40:14] sitar music
[00:40:15] yeah like oh
[00:40:16] let's get some
[00:40:17] Indian music
[00:40:17] motif
[00:40:18] and I was sat
[00:40:20] in this living room
[00:40:21] where we are right
[00:40:21] now and I messaged
[00:40:22] to the group chat
[00:40:24] you know that the
[00:40:25] doctor's name is
[00:40:26] Dr. Vindaloo
[00:40:27] and from the next
[00:40:28] room I heard Meg
[00:40:29] go
[00:40:32] like that
[00:40:33] and now she said
[00:40:34] I hope you're not
[00:40:35] laughing at
[00:40:36] races
[00:40:38] but as Meg
[00:40:40] it's just because
[00:40:40] it's absolutely
[00:40:41] as Meg correctly
[00:40:42] pointed out
[00:40:43] that is hilarious
[00:40:44] that is the
[00:40:46] absolute funniest
[00:40:47] thing you could
[00:40:48] it's also
[00:40:48] Vindaloo is like
[00:40:49] weirdly a really
[00:40:50] British dish
[00:40:52] Dr. Madras
[00:40:53] Dr. Masala
[00:40:57] it's bad
[00:40:58] it's bad
[00:40:58] could you imagine
[00:40:59] like so the
[00:41:00] equivalent
[00:41:00] masala kind of
[00:41:01] means gravy
[00:41:01] right
[00:41:02] imagine if your
[00:41:03] name is
[00:41:03] hi
[00:41:04] you're in like
[00:41:04] an Indian show
[00:41:05] and you're
[00:41:05] British
[00:41:05] and your name
[00:41:06] is Dr. Gravy
[00:41:07] my point was
[00:41:10] I think it's
[00:41:11] funny in the
[00:41:12] same way that
[00:41:13] the British
[00:41:14] call
[00:41:15] so
[00:41:16] what's absurd
[00:41:17] okay
[00:41:17] now let me
[00:41:18] tell a story
[00:41:18] my mum used
[00:41:20] to be mayor
[00:41:21] of our
[00:41:22] town
[00:41:22] and I
[00:41:24] once went
[00:41:24] with her
[00:41:25] as mayor
[00:41:26] consort
[00:41:26] to a
[00:41:29] do you want
[00:41:31] to be
[00:41:31] consort
[00:41:32] I was like
[00:41:32] yeah fine
[00:41:33] I went with
[00:41:34] her
[00:41:50] our town
[00:41:51] and I had
[00:41:52] to greet
[00:41:53] these 30
[00:41:54] French people
[00:41:55] I love this
[00:41:56] story
[00:41:56] I love this
[00:41:57] a kiss on
[00:41:58] each cheek
[00:41:59] the French
[00:42:00] style
[00:42:00] the French
[00:42:01] style
[00:42:01] yeah
[00:42:01] and then we
[00:42:02] like went
[00:42:03] into the
[00:42:04] um
[00:42:04] I actually
[00:42:05] think that's
[00:42:05] and you'll
[00:42:06] both know
[00:42:07] why and
[00:42:07] listeners you
[00:42:08] should know
[00:42:08] why that
[00:42:08] is my
[00:42:09] actual hell
[00:42:10] on earth
[00:42:10] yeah
[00:42:10] went into
[00:42:11] the town
[00:42:12] hall to have
[00:42:13] this like meal
[00:42:14] and quiz
[00:42:15] that we put
[00:42:15] on town
[00:42:16] hall
[00:42:16] decorated with
[00:42:17] frogs
[00:42:17] and I
[00:42:17] oh come
[00:42:18] on
[00:42:19] no listen
[00:42:19] and I said
[00:42:20] to my mum
[00:42:21] should we
[00:42:22] have decorated
[00:42:23] it with
[00:42:23] frogs
[00:42:23] and she
[00:42:24] or like
[00:42:25] we said
[00:42:26] it was like
[00:42:26] welcome frogs
[00:42:27] or whatever
[00:42:27] and she was
[00:42:28] like it's
[00:42:29] okay
[00:42:29] because they
[00:42:30] call us the
[00:42:31] roast beefs
[00:42:32] and I was
[00:42:33] like oh
[00:42:34] oh it is
[00:42:35] fine
[00:42:35] in a like
[00:42:36] we call them
[00:42:37] that in an
[00:42:37] affectionate way
[00:42:38] they call us
[00:42:39] roast beefs in
[00:42:40] an affectionate
[00:42:40] way we call
[00:42:41] Dr. Vindaloo
[00:42:41] Dr. Vindaloo
[00:42:42] in an affectionate
[00:42:43] way
[00:42:56] what I was
[00:42:56] saying was
[00:42:57] times move
[00:42:59] actually so
[00:43:00] quickly
[00:43:01] and
[00:43:01] it's not even
[00:43:02] funny
[00:43:03] they probably
[00:43:03] could have
[00:43:03] adapted this
[00:43:04] 20 years ago
[00:43:05] and it would
[00:43:06] have already
[00:43:07] been out of
[00:43:07] date like
[00:43:08] I don't know
[00:43:09] if I had a
[00:43:10] point
[00:43:10] anyone else
[00:43:11] got anything
[00:43:11] to say
[00:43:11] yeah
[00:43:12] what I've
[00:43:12] got to
[00:43:13] say is
[00:43:14] you guys
[00:43:14] aren't mean
[00:43:15] to say
[00:43:15] no no
[00:43:16] I've got
[00:43:16] something nice
[00:43:16] to say
[00:43:17] episode one
[00:43:18] I was
[00:43:19] slightly
[00:43:19] unsure
[00:43:19] but I
[00:43:20] had a great
[00:43:21] time watching
[00:43:22] it mainly
[00:43:22] because of
[00:43:23] Jack Gleeson
[00:43:24] yeah
[00:43:24] episode two
[00:43:25] I was
[00:43:26] sold
[00:43:26] yeah
[00:43:27] episode one
[00:43:28] is probably
[00:43:28] the most
[00:43:28] boring
[00:43:29] except for
[00:43:30] when Jack Gleeson
[00:43:30] is on screen
[00:43:31] and then episode
[00:43:32] two and three
[00:43:32] that like
[00:43:33] boringness
[00:43:34] gone
[00:43:35] yeah
[00:43:35] I've
[00:43:36] like
[00:43:36] the feeling
[00:43:37] that I
[00:43:37] wanted from
[00:43:38] it
[00:43:39] which was
[00:43:40] like a
[00:43:40] cozy
[00:43:41] sense of
[00:43:41] familiarity
[00:43:42] and like
[00:43:43] slight danger
[00:43:45] but not
[00:43:46] really
[00:43:46] is exactly
[00:43:47] what I got
[00:43:48] I'm sure
[00:43:49] I had loads
[00:43:50] more to say
[00:43:50] but we've
[00:43:51] already been
[00:43:51] talking for
[00:43:52] absolutely
[00:43:53] ages
[00:43:53] ages
[00:43:54] I mean
[00:43:55] potentially
[00:43:56] this will be
[00:43:57] a two-parter
[00:43:57] I don't know
[00:43:58] but I'm
[00:43:59] thankful for
[00:44:00] you guys
[00:44:00] indulging me
[00:44:01] because I've
[00:44:01] really enjoyed
[00:44:02] talking about it
[00:44:02] well I'm
[00:44:03] thankful to
[00:44:04] you for
[00:44:05] leading this
[00:44:05] one because
[00:44:07] the fucking
[00:44:07] week I've
[00:44:08] had so
[00:44:08] I've been
[00:44:09] editing every
[00:44:10] single night
[00:44:11] as well as
[00:44:12] working full
[00:44:13] time I've
[00:44:13] been getting
[00:44:13] home in the
[00:44:14] evening editing
[00:44:15] until I have
[00:44:15] to go to
[00:44:16] sleep so I
[00:44:16] can actually
[00:44:17] get up the
[00:44:17] next morning
[00:44:17] and I've
[00:44:19] got a train
[00:44:19] to catch
[00:44:20] early tomorrow
[00:44:21] anyway I do it
[00:44:22] because I
[00:44:22] love it
[00:44:22] I'm thankful
[00:44:23] for you being
[00:44:24] here I love
[00:44:24] you I love
[00:44:25] you as well
[00:44:25] really enjoyed
[00:44:26] talking about
[00:44:27] it this was
[00:44:28] such I don't
[00:44:30] like like I
[00:44:31] said I don't
[00:44:31] really remember
[00:44:33] we've had a few
[00:44:33] episodes where I've
[00:44:34] watched it and I've
[00:44:35] gone oh yeah yeah
[00:44:36] I really remember
[00:44:36] this but like
[00:44:38] fundamentally there's
[00:44:39] no there's not a
[00:44:40] huge amount of TV
[00:44:41] that makes me
[00:44:41] really nostalgic for
[00:44:42] being a kid
[00:44:44] clearly because I
[00:44:45] was up to the
[00:44:46] eyeballs in books
[00:44:47] yeah which is
[00:44:49] adorable I
[00:44:51] absolutely love
[00:44:52] these and my
[00:44:53] I've got all
[00:44:53] there's 21 books
[00:44:54] I've got all 21
[00:44:55] of them and my
[00:44:57] mum and dad have
[00:44:57] tried to get me to
[00:44:58] throw these books
[00:44:59] out on multiple
[00:45:00] occasions and I'm
[00:45:01] just not having it
[00:45:02] like they're still
[00:45:03] at mum and dad's
[00:45:05] risky things go
[00:45:06] disappearing from
[00:45:07] your room well
[00:45:07] that's the thing
[00:45:08] that well yeah
[00:45:08] my mum and dad
[00:45:09] has thrown
[00:45:10] threw some stuff
[00:45:11] out when they
[00:45:12] redecorated my
[00:45:13] room not the
[00:45:13] books though the
[00:45:14] books are all still
[00:45:15] there your house is
[00:45:16] absolutely chocobock
[00:45:17] full of books it's
[00:45:18] actually really nice
[00:45:19] yeah I walked into
[00:45:21] your room the first
[00:45:21] time like I visited
[00:45:22] you and there's just
[00:45:23] books books books
[00:45:26] you don't strike me
[00:45:27] as a famous five
[00:45:28] child the fact that
[00:45:29] you are is just
[00:45:30] adorable well I like
[00:45:32] a mystery
[00:45:34] anyway what I'm
[00:45:35] gonna say is um
[00:45:37] I I acknowledge that
[00:45:39] these books have got
[00:45:40] issues well we all
[00:45:41] do they're of the
[00:45:42] time and well the
[00:45:44] thing is they're of
[00:45:44] the time it doesn't
[00:45:45] excuse racism no but
[00:45:46] they are of the
[00:45:47] time and we know
[00:45:48] that um and that's
[00:45:49] why these adaptations
[00:45:50] are important I think
[00:45:52] there is there are
[00:45:53] some racist words in
[00:45:54] these books that I
[00:45:54] clearly didn't know
[00:45:55] what they meant when
[00:45:56] I was six so I
[00:45:56] would just glossed
[00:45:57] over them and we
[00:45:58] can enjoy art separate
[00:46:00] from the artist I
[00:46:01] believe um I think
[00:46:03] it's very vital that we
[00:46:04] do I mean the
[00:46:05] entire past is right
[00:46:07] there the thing is
[00:46:08] it doesn't stop me
[00:46:08] from complaining about
[00:46:09] Picasso whenever I
[00:46:11] see a Picasso does
[00:46:12] it we once uh we
[00:46:15] went to a Picasso
[00:46:16] exhibit because it's
[00:46:17] one of my favorite
[00:46:17] paintings I that
[00:46:18] was was that the
[00:46:19] first time I ever
[00:46:20] met you yeah yeah I
[00:46:21] fucking hate the
[00:46:22] cunt but I like some
[00:46:24] of his paintings I
[00:46:25] hate cubism so it's
[00:46:27] like really specific
[00:46:29] paintings that I
[00:46:29] like can we finish
[00:46:30] this episode by
[00:46:31] telling a story from
[00:46:32] that day I have a
[00:46:36] feeling we've told
[00:46:37] it before absolutely
[00:46:38] go ahead because
[00:46:39] you know what this
[00:46:40] also has no we
[00:46:41] haven't we've never
[00:46:41] fucking hijinks
[00:46:44] so I visit Meg in
[00:46:46] London I'm not
[00:46:47] living in London at
[00:46:47] the time and Meg's
[00:46:49] like oh can my
[00:46:49] flatmate come along
[00:46:50] um we're going to
[00:46:52] the Tate we're going
[00:46:53] to see the Picasso
[00:46:54] exhibition it's Laura's
[00:46:56] favorite artist so
[00:46:58] okay not favorite or
[00:46:59] whatever singular
[00:47:00] painting yeah okay
[00:47:01] one painting and I
[00:47:04] meet Laura and we're
[00:47:04] going around this art
[00:47:05] gallery and look at
[00:47:06] look at how far we've
[00:47:07] come isn't it nice
[00:47:09] and we've never gone
[00:47:10] back to the Tate and
[00:47:12] Meg hits Laura's
[00:47:15] bum or kicks Laura's
[00:47:16] bum at this point in
[00:47:17] time we were only
[00:47:18] kicking I kicked her
[00:47:19] up the ass yeah it's
[00:47:20] hands now it's too
[00:47:22] much now it's fingers
[00:47:25] yes I kicked her
[00:47:27] around and she's
[00:47:29] like who was that
[00:47:29] and Meg was like it
[00:47:31] was Elsie but
[00:47:33] clearly very
[00:47:33] convincingly okay
[00:47:34] Meg is a good actor
[00:47:36] and she's a good
[00:47:38] fucking liar
[00:47:38] which especially
[00:47:40] when you first
[00:47:40] like until you
[00:47:41] know her for a
[00:47:42] while it's it that
[00:47:43] works right now
[00:47:44] I wouldn't fucking
[00:47:45] believe a word you
[00:47:46] said Meg think Meg
[00:47:47] thought that Laura
[00:47:49] thought this was a
[00:47:50] joke so and I
[00:47:51] didn't actually hear
[00:47:52] this exchange you
[00:47:53] were away at a
[00:47:54] different painting I
[00:47:55] was away so Meg's
[00:47:57] like to Laura oh
[00:47:58] this girl you've just
[00:47:59] met has kicked your
[00:48:00] bum and then later in
[00:48:02] the day Laura kicks
[00:48:03] my bum because she
[00:48:05] thought that I did it
[00:48:06] to her and I was
[00:48:07] like what the fuck
[00:48:08] what just happened
[00:48:12] it's still so funny
[00:48:14] I'm sorry I just
[00:48:15] hit the mic
[00:48:16] hate you for this
[00:48:17] no it's fine now
[00:48:20] Elsie's there like
[00:48:21] what
[00:48:23] I just got kicked
[00:48:24] I can't remember if
[00:48:25] I said well you
[00:48:26] kicked me I can't
[00:48:26] remember what I
[00:48:27] said
[00:48:27] oh I don't think we
[00:48:29] discussed this for
[00:48:30] about a year
[00:48:31] you didn't question it
[00:48:32] at all you just went
[00:48:33] okay because I
[00:48:35] didn't see Laura
[00:48:37] retaliate yeah so
[00:48:38] I none of this got
[00:48:39] explained yeah so I
[00:48:41] did it a long time
[00:48:41] actually and then
[00:48:42] Elsie didn't mention
[00:48:43] it to me so when
[00:48:45] they talked about
[00:48:46] this for the first
[00:48:47] time is the first
[00:48:47] time I learned that
[00:48:48] Laura and I was
[00:48:50] like oh my god what
[00:48:51] did I do maybe two
[00:48:53] years later yeah yeah
[00:48:55] so I had to be in
[00:48:57] London for a night
[00:48:58] and Laura was the
[00:49:00] person I knew in
[00:49:01] London and we'd
[00:49:02] met once or twice
[00:49:03] and I was like
[00:49:04] Laura can I stay
[00:49:05] with you and he
[00:49:06] was like yeah of
[00:49:06] course and we had
[00:49:07] a lovely night and
[00:49:08] we got talking
[00:49:09] about this and I
[00:49:10] was like oh my
[00:49:12] god that's why you
[00:49:13] kicked me
[00:49:14] yeah
[00:49:16] you're like oh
[00:49:16] you remember I
[00:49:17] think you said
[00:49:17] something like oh
[00:49:18] remember when you
[00:49:18] kicked me out of the
[00:49:19] blue that was
[00:49:20] funny and I went
[00:49:21] out of the blue
[00:49:23] you kicked me I
[00:49:24] was like no I
[00:49:25] didn't and then we
[00:49:26] looked at each
[00:49:27] other and were
[00:49:27] like Meg it
[00:49:28] was Mumby
[00:49:30] to be fair
[00:49:31] when you did
[00:49:32] stay in London
[00:49:33] for that night we
[00:49:34] had already signed
[00:49:34] the contract for
[00:49:35] this flat so it
[00:49:36] wasn't like you
[00:49:37] were going oh
[00:49:38] no a person I
[00:49:40] barely know you
[00:49:40] were about to live
[00:49:41] with yeah I was
[00:49:42] I was I had
[00:49:42] seen you at least
[00:49:43] two more times I
[00:49:44] think because I'd
[00:49:45] come up to
[00:49:46] Hull yeah
[00:49:48] anyway that was
[00:49:50] famous five
[00:49:51] should we try
[00:49:52] find some
[00:49:53] treasure
[00:49:53] should we try
[00:49:54] and I could
[00:49:55] really do with
[00:49:55] some ingots
[00:49:57] they say ingots
[00:49:58] so many times
[00:49:59] and like they
[00:50:00] like learn the
[00:50:01] word and then
[00:50:01] they're like oh
[00:50:02] my god ingots
[00:50:03] ingots ingots
[00:50:03] ingots ingots
[00:50:04] ingots ingots
[00:50:05] and it's like
[00:50:06] shut up
[00:50:06] Julia
[00:50:07] honestly the idea
[00:50:08] of gold bullion
[00:50:10] is hilarious to
[00:50:11] me just like a
[00:50:11] bar
[00:50:12] the only time I've
[00:50:14] ever come across
[00:50:14] the word ingots
[00:50:15] right is in
[00:50:16] fucking video games
[00:50:18] when you're like
[00:50:18] mining and it
[00:50:19] makes sense
[00:50:20] whereas like this
[00:50:22] is so weird
[00:50:23] it's a coin
[00:50:24] right thank you
[00:50:26] for listening
[00:50:27] sorry this was
[00:50:28] another long one
[00:50:29] you're welcome
[00:50:30] this was another
[00:50:31] okay fine
[00:50:32] fine fine
[00:50:33] uh should we
[00:50:34] do the socials
[00:50:35] you know what
[00:50:36] for once should
[00:50:37] we not fucking
[00:50:37] bother
[00:50:38] treat to
[00:50:39] ourselves
[00:50:40] I mean I feel
[00:50:41] like we don't
[00:50:41] need to
[00:50:42] at this point
[00:50:43] you know our
[00:50:43] socials are all
[00:50:44] there
[00:50:44] it's all there
[00:50:45] it's all there
[00:50:46] it's all there
[00:50:46] all right
[00:50:47] all right
[00:50:48] Meg looks so
[00:50:49] uncomfortable
[00:50:50] she wants to
[00:50:51] I need to
[00:50:51] follow the rules
[00:50:52] that I've set
[00:50:53] up for myself
[00:50:53] you can find
[00:50:55] us on twitter
[00:50:57] at thoughts
[00:50:58] underscore
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[00:51:00] take it away
[00:51:01] Meg
[00:51:01] on instagram
[00:51:05] at thoughts tv
[00:51:06] the o is a
[00:51:06] zero
[00:51:06] on tiktok
[00:51:08] at thoughts tv
[00:51:09] pod
[00:51:11] interesting that
[00:51:12] instagram hates
[00:51:13] the word thought
[00:51:13] is it
[00:51:14] it's built
[00:51:15] on them
[00:51:16] it won't even
[00:51:16] let you
[00:51:17] like sorry
[00:51:18] to interrupt
[00:51:19] again
[00:51:20] but we
[00:51:21] someone left a
[00:51:22] comment the
[00:51:24] like um
[00:51:24] this is what
[00:51:25] kids should be
[00:51:26] watching none of
[00:51:27] that woke
[00:51:27] bullshit and I
[00:51:29] told them to
[00:51:29] fuck off but
[00:51:30] you can't spell
[00:51:31] fuck like fuck
[00:51:32] or I won't let
[00:51:33] you have it so
[00:51:34] you have to do
[00:51:34] french connection
[00:51:35] uk
[00:51:36] no or like
[00:51:37] change one of
[00:51:38] the letters for
[00:51:39] something
[00:51:39] yeah
[00:51:40] I think I
[00:51:42] wrote fuck but
[00:51:43] instead of an f I
[00:51:44] used a four
[00:51:45] fork
[00:51:46] fork
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[00:52:07] evening
[00:52:07] have a good
[00:52:08] evening
[00:52:08] it's half past
[00:52:09] eleven
[00:52:09] oh we've been
[00:52:11] chatterboxing for a
[00:52:12] while
[00:52:12] we've been chatting
[00:52:13] right have a nice
[00:52:14] evening love you
[00:52:15] bye