KISS with Jamie Westwood (The Chronicles Of Podcast)

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture, one conversation at a time. I am your host, Harley. On this episode, I'm joined by the co-host of The Chronicles Of Podcast, Jamie Westwood. Jamie was kind enough to come on to the show and share his love

[00:00:54] of what has to be one of the biggest rock and roll bands of all time, and that is of course, KISS. Now, this might surprise some of you listening if you've been listening to the podcast for a while,

[00:01:05] but KISS is a bit of a musical blind spot for me. I know, I know, I'm very much a self-proclaimed rock and metal head and that's still the case, but for some reason, KISS has just abandoned

[00:01:16] the past me by and I've really gave them the time of day. So when Jamie suggested this as a topic, I was really curious to talk about it with him and I was keen to learn as much as possible about

[00:01:26] this band. We had a ton of fun discussing the various genres that KISS has played around in the live shows, the makeup, the marketing, all of that good stuff. What it is that's basically

[00:01:39] allowed them to endure for as long as they have and keep this kind of success that frankly, you don't really see in very many bands today. It was really so much fun talking with Jamie. I learned

[00:01:50] a ton in this conversation and I'm sure you guys will as well. Just before we get into that episode as I mentioned last week, I was fortunate enough to guess on a number of different podcasts

[00:02:00] in my hiatus. I will be shouting out another one at the end of this episode so make sure we stick around for that and of course for more details on where you can find out more about the chronicles

[00:02:10] of podcast. So with all that said, let's get to it. This is Kiss with Jamie Westwood. Hello Jamie and welcome to the Fandimental's podcast. Thank you very much for having me appreciate our pleasures all mine and you're here with a really interesting musical topic one

[00:02:40] that big blind spot for me actually. Oh, it's interesting. Yeah, so I'm really curious to learn about it and that is the mighty band Kiss. Yes. So I'm just going to throw it straight over to Jamie.

[00:02:52] What was your introduction to Kiss? My introduction to Kiss was a very, very young age. I was two years old and I was introduced to Kiss. My my mom brought me up on the world of rock and

[00:03:03] metal and we used to watch these VHS tapes that we had back in back in the day kids. We didn't have DVDs or stream in we had VHS's and there was two that I was obsessed with. One was going

[00:03:15] crazy from the heat by David Learoff and it just a bunch of music videos and stuff like that and then there was a special one called Kiss Exposed and you watch it back now, it is the most

[00:03:26] ridiculous thing you'll ever watch in your life. It's like it's a tour of Paul Stanley's house and there's intercuts of life, footage and music videos and stuff like that but I was enamored

[00:03:38] with this video and I used to watch it on repeat. There is a bit of if anyone is familiar with Kiss where Gene Simmons spits blood on stage and briefs fire and this sort of stuff. I was terrified.

[00:03:51] I would run and hide behind the armchair the sofa when he's doing that but constantly I'm looking over the mountain like is he still doing it? Is he still doing it? Come back again now it's fine.

[00:04:01] It's fine. My mom tells me I used to watch this video on repeat. I've still got the VHS it's in the loft, it don't play. There's parts of it that don't play anymore from how much I've

[00:04:12] worn it out over years but I can't promise that to get rid of it and I know this is my pressure. This was my introduction. This is where it all started for me and it's literally never stops

[00:04:22] in. I've always listened to them, I saw them for the first time when I was 10 years old going to Dondington, monsters are first of all. It's been in the process and ever since

[00:04:33] I know there were very controversial bands show we say but to me they're just they're my jammers the kids say I love them so much. I love that. We can get into all the controversy and all the

[00:04:47] things about that. This is one of those topics that as I said just before we start recording I'm genuinely curious to learn about it but yeah I can understand actually that that formative age

[00:04:58] is very young. It's very interesting to be introduced to stuff like that but good on your mum, good on your mum for introducing you to give music you know. Can relate with my dad very similar

[00:05:11] and we haven't even told the story. I've mentioned on this podcast before about Van Haley this is the number of times. When you mentioned that I mean they were absolutely yeah that was one

[00:05:22] of my formative experiences and I've fondly remember asking my dad at age 11 if he'd ever heard of a band called Metallica and then very quickly being introduced to the black album and having my tiny little mind blown so I always believe in these formative moments and something

[00:05:40] like Chris is fascinating right because my understanding and my experience with them listening to their music is it's very straightforward sort of I would call it anthem rock you know other stuff right it's big courses it's big production and it's a lot of yeah strange and

[00:05:56] interesting stage productions as costumes that their famous for so it kind of makes sense something like that would capture the minds and imagination of a child really and then would sort of ingratiate itself onto you and later life. I think that's what it was because also

[00:06:13] I was brought up on all those same bands I have memories of head banging to enter Sam Man with my mum in pubs and Birmingham like all those bands like norms told me memories of me sitting

[00:06:22] in my high chair banging going oh to TNT by ACDC like that is my childhood listening but there was something about kiss and I think it is it's the look the makeup the pageant tree like that video

[00:06:34] was talking about it's got old school stuff with a makeup on but it's also 80s music where there's no makeup but bright colors girls like everything that just make it personally like oh my god

[00:06:48] what is this there's fire there's explosions there's guitars this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life as I hear and it really drew me in and yeah I genuinely don't know what it was

[00:06:59] about it but yeah I think it is that though I think it is that the bright lights the makeup the spectacle of it it's more than just a band like Metallica as amazing as they are

[00:07:11] it's for doing some stages some instruments yeah I guess it's definitely something that I hear a lot of people talk about more and more these days is the idea of sort of what makes a good

[00:07:24] life performance right and I think there's different schools I thought it very much depends on my opinion and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this Jamie it depends is my answer on that it depends you know what kind of band are you what sort of music

[00:07:37] are you I mean case in point just five minutes in I'm going to immediately talk about my favorite band which is ultra bridge they yeah great bands it would make zero sense if they came out in

[00:07:49] costumes and had fireworks and you know what I mean like it would just be a bit what what's this what are because it just wouldn't totally match up kind of the same with Alec as much as they do

[00:07:59] have a big presence on stage and they'll have certain elements of their performance like sort of a new serial download and there was you know multiple drum kits and there was you know

[00:08:09] bits of pyratechnics and stuff for you like yeah this is a show but obviously again it's nowhere near the same as a band like kiss where it's like no no it's this is a performance this is going to be

[00:08:20] lights and costumes and all sorts of things and there are certain bands that do that very well you know I think of a band like Ramstein's another one that famous for uh Iron Maiden's another

[00:08:31] one that's famous for it you know lots and lots of other bands similar to that that it's part of the show you know it's part and it has to fit tonally so yeah it kind of makes sense

[00:08:41] that kiss would would find themselves gravitating towards that I think as well like that the front man is so important because you might not have a lot of suspense because but if he's engagement

[00:08:51] the crowd he's talking is having a laugh it makes it a show sometimes just the music is an all it I'll never forget several years ago down on a come I think it's 2015 I'm not

[00:09:02] 100% sure I saw mega death for the first time yeah one of the best live music performances I have ever seen you could have been listening to the record but my god I was so bored

[00:09:15] because he didn't talk he didn't engage with the crowd he didn't do nothing I was like I could have just put a CD on my god job done you know yeah yeah you need that you need that extra something

[00:09:27] in a life performance definitely but I want to take it back a little bit because my understanding again of kiss and the history of the band is that wasn't always the case for them right

[00:09:37] in what sense oh is it and I don't wouldn't they always this sort of big costume stadium acts I think they were always bit of I thought it was a bit of a reinvention at some point

[00:09:47] in my wrong no no it from day one from the first album 1974 the plan was to go out there they put makeup on it wasn't as lavish as it become but they had makeup on there were women's clothing

[00:09:59] and they went on to them stages to say we want people to remember us okay there's so many bands out there like they came up in New York like there's so many bands in New York oh can we do to stand out

[00:10:11] and that's why their live performance became so important it's why they didn't become that famous till about all five albums when they released their live album because you need that live experience of kiss to get it my release to the album you're like yeah it's good it's

[00:10:25] rock and roll it's wicked it's great but it didn't push them to that extra level and that's where that live performance came in it's so important to them and like I said yeah they did after

[00:10:38] quite a few years drop the makeup but there was always still stuff there like to make that performance a little bit extra you could say okay that's probably what I'm getting confused

[00:10:49] because as I see I don't know a lot about the plan then I you sort of hear different things but that's interesting then yes that was their mission statement from day one was to be noticed

[00:10:59] and I kind of make sense I mean given as well as you say the music and I'm saying this with full-gure respect nobody come out from me here including you James but it's but it's very

[00:11:09] straightforward. You know what I mean it's it's still well play don't get me wrong there's still some great guitar work and great musicianship if you will in there in the songs but it's always a

[00:11:22] funny one because I feel like when I first saw cases like you know the pulse production the costumes and then I heard the music I almost couldn't quite match them up in my brain in a way if it

[00:11:36] makes sense I was kind of like oh that's not what I was expecting but then again I was coming out it you know my experience of sort of masked and costume artists with bands like Slip Not you know

[00:11:47] like more heavier kind of out there stuff so when it was like it's another big group of the big go and since the 70s and then they come out with you know God gave rock and roll and sort of

[00:11:58] like you sort of coercy swaying nice soft sounding rock songs I was like oh not what I was expecting also I was like no I could see how that works I could totally see how all of that

[00:12:10] the actuality could be really enjoyable in a live show. It is and at that point it was the live album the first live album that got them to where they are today because if you listen to that album

[00:12:21] and then listen to the records that came before where the songs come off. So complete they sound completely different okay I don't know what it is like they've said before they don't know what it was they just couldn't capture that live performance feeling in a studio.

[00:12:35] There are quite a few bands that struggle with that to be fair yeah you know I mean again shouts another one like absolute favorite bands hailstorm like there are a lot better at it now

[00:12:44] yeah I will say this and this is not to describe them because they are a phenomenal band but it is night and day or at least it was for quite a long time you know there's early albums

[00:12:54] like they're good albums but then you see them live and you're like oh this is something completely different and they're not the only ones there are lots of bands that have those you say and I

[00:13:03] can see how that would happen with kiss as well right because I imagine a big part of it is the energy that they get off the car and you can't you can't put that in a studio no matter

[00:13:12] how hard you try. No but I find absolutely amazing nice and it's what I love about them as well because there's so many different layers to them like we're talking the early days it's that basic

[00:13:23] rock and roll but then you go further in the career the sound changes like their biggest era and as much as most kiss fans hated me to their biggest album was a disco album really but it

[00:13:36] worked like it's pretty much a rock and all disco album the original album is called Dynasties what I was made for loving you came off. I love it because I love a thing they put out but

[00:13:50] it's a disco record at the end of the day. It was not it was a 70s you know it's 1979 that album came out and it's yeah discos huge in 1979 and fair play to the went well we're a dying breed now

[00:14:04] yeah what can we do so pull to the ran away sorry all right disco song let's do it yeah yeah and it's like their biggest hit. Wow I did not know that there you go that's that's fascinating

[00:14:20] and then again later in the 90s they went okay grungy's huge let let's try this point now so in a bit heavier bit crunchier and you know what fans loved it they came back because

[00:14:30] they stick at the times and it's why I personally have the ears have never got bored of them because I was like don't as a rocker oh yeah still got on don't as it's like fast paste

[00:14:38] proper 80s high pitch let's go for it my hair is because the house sort of music yeah I'll put one of those not make albums on it there's always something that's what it was drawn

[00:14:49] into them as well nice oh I like the sound of that very much. I love how your mind is blown by the disco record one again and this is my ignorance and this happens on topics you know

[00:15:01] right I genuinely don't know a lot um and I could say with kiss that is my the extent of my knowledge is like a handful of songs so what what will probably happen is what's happened to me several times

[00:15:13] this year actually on this podcast is I've gone and discovered another band and gone actually do you know what I quite like this or like you know oh this is something different here I'm going to check

[00:15:24] um yeah I had no idea but it is something that I find interesting about any band right when you sort of get to the point of becoming a legacy act is yeah staying relevant as you say so I'm

[00:15:38] intrigued by that fact that yeah they seem to try and try out different sounds and sort of move with the times a little bit I mean some might say maybe that's selling out but I guess I don't know

[00:15:49] depends right that right there that's what I was on about the decisive thing when it comes to kiss slow because a lot of the fans went why the hell are you making a disco record this isn't my rock

[00:15:58] and roll what are you doing right but the kids loved it and the members of the band like two of the members of the band dropped off at that point too the original members not long after that because

[00:16:08] of like this isn't the band by sign-up for this isn't rock and roll that I wanted to play like they've had so many different league guitars and drummers because they just seem to just annoy people but

[00:16:20] okay because they could how can I say this and not sound like I'm in sort in the band it is a business to them you know yes it's music but it's the music business this isn't working

[00:16:33] this isn't where the times are now let's try something new that didn't work the try this why not it isn't always about the passion for music which again I think is why it's very decisive

[00:16:43] for some people hmm that's interesting that's interesting yeah I mean I suppose the thing to think about that is if they're being honest about it I guess is probably the thing I mean it personally that's

[00:16:56] not the kind of approach I'm drawn to I do prefer the moral artistic approach and you know doing doing it because you love it but then I guess thinking about it from what you're saying if they were

[00:17:09] the whole thing was to get noticed and stand out and attract a crowded it kind of makes sense on paper that they would shift every so often and we're right in thinking though that even

[00:17:22] though they're trying different science like Grunge Disca you mentioned you can listen to it and still recognize it as a kiss song yes as as as the band basically not just who is this yeah

[00:17:33] you can tell like oh that's that early kiss that's all that's a zero that but you can tell the different in the ears but it's still unapologetically them you can tell it's then like brilliant

[00:17:45] guitar solos pause voices always remain it's done different things of it but it's still pause voice it's still jeans voice you can you can hear it it's still unapotten unapologetically then

[00:17:56] which is what I like as well because yes they've gone okay let's change things up but it's still this kiss at the end of the day they've not turned around and going oh that's let's make this

[00:18:05] up some fruit solos and let's go Jeff Rootall you know it's still a good role it's still kiss at the end of the day okay so I'd find that easier to sort of get behind in that case and

[00:18:17] if you've had it as well again thinking about it as far as there's nothing inherently wrong with treating it like a business right no I my immediate sort of comparison in my brain I think about

[00:18:30] different type of actors that you get right yeah like you get those that want to be character actors they want to sort of do different things because it's creatively challenging and then you get your Samuel O. Jackson's who just say yes to anything and in fairness to them

[00:18:45] make a really good living and you know some other stuff they do is going to be great as some of us are going to be awful but I guess that's the hit rate if you treat it like a business

[00:18:54] if you're just building it and you're just going yeah I have to take the opportunities and I suppose from a musical point of view yeah it makes sense you're going to try some things and

[00:19:02] hey some things will be great to be a smash here and some things probably not but then just try again so I can kind of get behind that it's weird I don't know sometimes because I love them so much as

[00:19:13] such a big fan if I give them too much credit I do often want this I do want to think to them is it just dollars and cents is it like this again this band has made us a lot of money I

[00:19:23] don't want to give up I want to keep going and then another part of me's like is it a passion thing they've spent so many years doing this I don't want to give up this goes come along rock

[00:19:32] and all's going they could go okay we're relevant a tango the boots were done order the go or we could change things up a little bit and we don't have to give up this band that we love we can

[00:19:43] stay relevant we can keep doing this it's it's always that divide I'm like yes I'd like to think it's that and then there's also thinking don't be deaf Jamie it's dollars and cents they

[00:19:53] like to make money yeah you can be as likely you can look at it from both sides you can play Davils advocate for sure and look at that I mean and I think any band particularly again legacy

[00:20:04] bands now are very guilty of this right you know again not having to go but as I download I noticed with Metallica did you see it were you there I was unfortunately I did want to go

[00:20:17] no that's all right but they had like if done this before they had a sort of I think semi circle walkway oh the snake pit yeah the snake pit passed the one and then in

[00:20:29] the middle you know there were people who were either fans or people that you know friends of the bands or paid extra money to get there and it's just sort of thing they've done before in

[00:20:38] the past and and lots of other bands are similar and you know I remember checking out video sort of looking at how much these things cost and you just your jaw does kind of hit the floor and

[00:20:47] you go seriously but I'm like maybe that'd be fair there are multi million dollar entity now and that's kind of every big band what's you reach a certain threshold right is

[00:21:01] there's gonna be a lot of these decisions that are made either by the band or by people who manage the band and it's a funny thing right because I feel like as fans we can be a little

[00:21:12] bit cynical and resentful and it's sort of like oh that's greedy and it's like yeah probably but at the same time it's like they're not forcing anyone to do it no and if people are

[00:21:23] gonna spend money on it fair enough again I love all British my favourite band but you know they they're like oh you can spend three four thousand dollars on this guitar that signed by the band

[00:21:36] and was used on this you know this album and I can look at that and go a little bit greedy or he don't need to do but I'm like oh fair enough it's an opportunity and they always get

[00:21:45] snapped up people always buy them and you kind of go hey if they're giving what the fans what they want and I know kiss do this as well it's like is there anything wrong with that not really

[00:21:54] no it's a blind demand if there's no demand there'd be no supply yeah to play a business benefit if people didn't want to buy it then it wouldn't be there to be brought and these things

[00:22:04] always sell like oh yeah like and always even though they cost a lot of money they always sell I'll never forget Gene Simmons did a finger few years ago it's called the Gene Simmons vault

[00:22:16] it literally looks like a safe and it is full of God knows how many records of those inches like and I'll come to you house and I'll play it gig and I was like who is going to pay for that

[00:22:26] like they're doing next thing in a sold-out sold-out sold-out sold-out is like there you go someone's going to pay for it at the hour hundred percent and then you kind of go

[00:22:34] fair enough from a lot of people to view you're like do you know what I can help but admire that I said hey you'd set it up an opportunity people taking it absolutely it's and again if you've

[00:22:46] been doing this for so many years and things out like there is one thing that kiss gets a lot of grief or it's their merchandise in like right they've done crossovers with brands like Hello Kitty

[00:22:57] right they will they will stick that makeup on God damn anything and people will buy it like yeah they even sold a kiss coffin once and don't get incredible and I'll go

[00:23:08] lightly and I want to be very demon but I want to be very demon I was gonna say yeah yeah I just realized what I mean speaking of a very very distant episode now my memory

[00:23:22] talk like pinball machines one that's just popped up yeah kiss pinball lots of bands do that that's something I discovered when I'd shot a wooden jet about that it's yeah kiss in but it makes sense I'm looking at it I'm looking at the kiss coffin as well

[00:23:33] merchandise that's kiss condoms I've got a kiss bottle of wine somewhere fantastic I think they even did a crossover with archie comics once like they were yeah in the 70s there's a

[00:23:44] kiss comic book where they put them blood into the red ink that was with Marvel comics they did like they will do anything yeah yeah but again it's like if people are gonna buy it exactly

[00:23:59] people buy it yeah and I guess that's part of the spectacle as well like if you're offering that then of course you're gonna want to market that it's all she's going to want

[00:24:11] a sell a piece of that I don't I would think that would make zero sense to do the huge spectacle to put all of that time and money let's be honest as well that's the other thing

[00:24:20] it's gonna cost a lot of money to set that up you gotta recover that somehow as far as you can't you can't be completely um I don't know what's the word sort of dismissive of that fact

[00:24:33] no you have to actually yeah affect to that in I don't see it differently was different back in the 70s and 80s and even 90s but nowadays the music business don't make your fellow money

[00:24:43] if it's not for these extra things that you'll do in to stay real on of you can slightly off-top between kiss and don't talk about modern bands no you're not doing those extra things

[00:24:50] to get that in come in you're not really making any money doing this like yeah we spoke we spoke to bands at 2,000 trees and blood suckers stuff like that for a my show and they still live

[00:25:02] at home in appearance and they're touring they're playing big festivals but there's no money in it you need to be doing these extra things and if you're a band like kiss you've got that

[00:25:11] makeup you've got that lung that brand hell put it on stuff make money don't blame me do it yeah yeah it's an interesting one because I feel like this leads into what I thought was going to

[00:25:23] be a big topic of conversation here which is this idea of sort of uh I guess the words artistic integrity yes you know getting bandied around here but i think you're right it is that sort of

[00:25:38] it's that interesting dichotomy right of being in a band like you say where you are first and foremost an artist but as you've rightly pointed out you are in a business you are operating in a business environment and I I'm always interested to

[00:25:55] hear and like yeah listening to yourself the interviews that you have and our mutual podcast friend Mark would you talk to a lot of bands about this as well is I think a lot of people struggle

[00:26:06] like you say with that right of wrecking siling that side of I'm expressing this I'm doing this artistic thing I'm being authentic to myself but I don't want to feel like a sell out I don't know

[00:26:17] if it's like is it selling out or is it just being smart with the opportunities that you get I think that sounds but as I think I don't know what the answer is like well you and I can sit here

[00:26:29] now and go oh yeah I would never slap my face on a you know I don't know the mug or a t-shirt or whatever if you know I'd have integrity I'd never but I'm like but if it paid my mortgage I mean

[00:26:45] I don't know what would I would if someone to run and said his 20 grand and more you know we'll pop you and your friends on a series of posters or whatever but like well okay I'd be hard pressed to say no

[00:26:59] you know if you could think of a good reason not to it's exactly that I've done a lot of times when people judge these bands and artists and actors whatever maybe they don't put themselves in their shoes

[00:27:09] if you return around here I will give you 20 grand if I can stick a picture if you want to muggle whatever you're saying yeah I'd be like here go have my picture have any photo of me you ever want

[00:27:18] you want to picture me naked if you're giving me 20 grand I have it mate I'll put me on all the cups you want like I got mouse to feed and I have to put over my head you go ahead but again I think it's

[00:27:31] that finger you say no it's artist integrity are you doing it because you want to do this for a living you want this to be your brand your existence is your reason to do it for all you really

[00:27:42] like play music and you feel like going out there and doing it and well hey you sort of record do you make this success that's amazing but what is the reason you've got into it what is the

[00:27:51] reason you're staying in it I think it's that thing which is very hard to find that line sometimes it is I say one thing I will say as well I think perhaps to jump to the other side of the argument

[00:28:02] at night you feel this sometimes because I think there's a bit of perhaps frustration at bands like this where a lot of people think okay but they've had their time maybe they could just step out now

[00:28:15] and let somebody else come up and have a go and I do think there is an argument for that certainly I can play Ligory like this year they're doing their final end of end of

[00:28:27] tour final ever year talk about and I know this has happened about six or seven times now but the last album there release was 2012 they've not released anything since then and they've said because

[00:28:39] whenever we play live people don't want to hear them songs they want to hear the classics what's a point in making music if people don't want to listen to it okay but at the same time the last time

[00:28:48] I saw them live and keep my in like I said this my very band of listen to ages two so as I finished a win I'm so glad they're putting it to an end because Jean couldn't remember half the words

[00:28:59] Paul's voice is gone he couldn't hit any high pitch notes anymore like Tommy and Eric fair playton they're like I could do this for years like they're going they're growing

[00:29:10] they're fine but the two original members it's time to call it quits now yeah but I hope at the same time they put those years of knowledge into helping younger bands now because I know they did

[00:29:22] that in early in their career we're talking about Van Halen the brother big reasons they got side with Jean Simmons absolutely heard them when go get signed this band through the record company because they're great so I hope they put that out there and help the younger generation

[00:29:35] of musicians coming up because they've got so much knowledge and how to be a successful rock band because let's be honest they have very successful rock band there's nothing you can take away from that

[00:29:46] absolutely so I do hope they do any it's time to step away now it's time for a lot of these bands to step away now like I went to go see Billy I don't not long ago and I was like hmm you're doing

[00:29:58] awesome but you clearly could do with a cup of a and a sit down now it's time to put your feet up now I feel like I'm in love with these bands this is my bread and butter they say a

[00:30:07] music is my bread and butter I love it oh same yeah yeah but enough is at like my most hard breaking thing is a state of motley corona my second favorite band on motley crew I love them

[00:30:19] oh I'm so sorry but yeah I refused to go to the last tour I was like I am not having that be my last impression of motley crew I don't blame you so here's a fun fact 2015 down there

[00:30:31] that was my first ever down load I missed kiss which I do regret I must admit I was a broken man and did you not the nail in the coffin for me was it was motley crew yeah they weren't great

[00:30:43] well they were second to last night and they were so bad that I just thought if kiss or anywhere like this and to be fair that's I shouldn't have made that assumption but I was just like if this is what

[00:30:56] is here for me to finish I'm just gonna go home I'm dead I'm not gonna stick around for this as I say I do regret it because I think that was that was a bit of a snap decision on my

[00:31:07] part but yeah they were awful and like you say it's not to bash on them because there's easy just a beaten old man with a stick but you can kind of just go alright you've had your time

[00:31:16] this is the thing it's drawing that line isn't it I do not blame them Vincent has been singing these songs for how long and they're not as that easy songs to sing if how pitched that man high pitch

[00:31:25] that man goes right not easy to sing it is understandable but you cannot do that anymore when do you go okay I can't do this anymore it's true it's true you know I'm sure you saw

[00:31:39] the news as he also born like going one minute oh I'm old I'm out of here I've you know I'm in surgery blah blah blah yeah it's a surgery comes out and goes oh I feel better now I'm like

[00:31:47] doing another album it's like no yes again again just no I'm sorry just give it a rest I love Aussie I'm from Birmingham I have to love Aussie I'll get arrested if I don't love Aussie yeah exactly

[00:32:00] at the same time what you say needs to know when to stop that is so anything with these legacy bands we're speaking out of love as well here isn't it it's like you said you don't want to see your heroes

[00:32:10] just undignified and like falling apart in front of an audience it's because it's just unpleasant to watch it is but at the same time I like the fact that like myself I was two years old on a

[00:32:21] fell in love with kiss my my daughter my I she got introduced this shows how much their licensing goes my daughter got introduced to kiss for Scooby do like it's a kiss Scooby do movie

[00:32:37] it's brilliant they brought you for me and maybe I already owned it so she was like of course well keep it and I don't watch it and she was like this is the greatest music and the great

[00:32:47] it's been ever seen in my life because it draws you in that look and effort and I took her on their last tour not the one just one that was supposed to be their last tour before they're directed

[00:32:58] Covid and I took my daughter to go see them and I never thought I'd get to take any of my kids to go see kiss never always gonna happen and I did and she absolutely loved it and I was like but if

[00:33:08] they had called it quit when I was a regiony say I'm sure called it quit's now guys I wouldn't have got that moment yeah like that recent death leopard motley cruise show my mom taught my

[00:33:18] sister my sister is a huge motley crew fan never got to see them yeah and she loved it and I was thinking to myself why but she loved it and she got to see him and I was like I like the

[00:33:28] fact the younger generation to get in this opportunity to find these fans there's like stop but don't but stop but don't run out yeah I know what you mean is it's an interesting one I'm kind of with you

[00:33:43] and that I think there is there is a lot to be said for the legacy that they leave behind and the impact they've made but I suppose that's it right they have to actually leave the legacy at

[00:33:53] some point and just yeah becomes a bit difficult when you keep coming back and you like you said there is that classic joke not just with kids but with lots and lots of bands where it's the last

[00:34:03] ever we promised never again final ever tour and then like you say three years later they're back again and you just think guys come on yeah but I can I say all of this with the knowledge

[00:34:18] that they still sell yeah right the download as much as it bugs me that they keep picking the same six headline as every year there's a reason why because people show up yep so you can

[00:34:31] as much as I can be a bit frustrated by after go well I guess people like it still people show up for it people do and even if it's just one or two songs like right I remember the last time kiss

[00:34:42] were playing it was average everyone was like why are they playing I thought they'd quit ever and then you see footage from the show when you if you were there you saw them go well this

[00:34:50] failed is absolutely packed so they can be in that angry could do yeah exactly exactly so yeah again Fred it work for it is due and like you said I hope my sort of hope is that they do sort

[00:35:04] work more on the passing of the torch kind of thing and as far as like the marketing side of things go as much as you can say it's cheesy in it's this and it's that yeah maybe there's something to be

[00:35:15] learned from that it works you know but one thing I do want to get across I don't want to make sure this is no that is not the reason I love this band I think that is the reason they're

[00:35:24] such a part of the reason they're so successful because it got up but at the end of the day I love this band because they're music and they're not saying it's brilliant kickass rock and roll

[00:35:33] I don't think Paul has ever gotten the credit he deserves as a vocalist like right there's a certain song which all stands out to me it's after crazy nights album everyone knows crazy crazy

[00:35:44] nights but there's a particular song that I'm called my way I have never heard a man hit those of tones those notes and sing at that level and it's phenomenal and keep mine they'd been going

[00:35:57] since what 74 this album came in 87 so this is gunna to have 12 years into the career and he's prime he's voices that it's prime and it deserves that respect they've had some brilliant guitar players

[00:36:11] over the air ace for you obviously their original guitar is against most of them most of the credit but those non-maker peers Bruce Cooley for nominal guitar player again oh it's that make up band

[00:36:22] they're not that good no they are like yeah yeah I just an interesting one because that's that's the side of it right that interests me in this is exactly that and I'll hold my hands up

[00:36:36] I'm guilty of that I've got a glam rock band I don't know but the thing I've already learned doing this podcast more than anything is to be open-minded yes try stuff out and and to your point

[00:36:48] if it was bad it wouldn't the marketing and all that she's emerged and dies in the world wouldn't be enough to keep them going not not so I'm glad to hear that see I want some of standouts songs then

[00:37:01] form me then so you mentioned my way I'm gonna make a list and I have a problem it's it's tough because I've got so many different eras but a couple of songs always stand out to me there's an

[00:37:11] incredible song off love gun called shock me and it's ice free of the guitar is burst ever vocal effort and it absolutely now do it's a song got all about in getting electric

[00:37:23] cutie on stage and you're in I don't know what I sang with that no it's brilliant love that and it's a great song and you wouldn't think that this guy who refused to sing on lead vocals

[00:37:33] he wrote most of their early songs we used like I'm not confident enough to sing I'm not gonna sing I can't do it I'm not gonna sing no way in hell but he did it and it's brilliant like

[00:37:42] the destroyer album from 1976 it's probably the most popular album yeah it's a song that that call Beth and it's their first big ballad hit that song was a hit by accident I can't I can't

[00:37:56] what song was released I believe it's Detroit obviously the piece this is back in the day before we had cassette and CDs kids we had vinyl's and the bill they're back in fashion and let's

[00:38:06] go point in there back in fashion okay we had seven in single vitals and there you go back on the other side of that they put Beth as the B side and the radio's like yeah we're not playing

[00:38:15] that heavy rock and all means it we're gonna put this on it's a piano bar and it's a beautiful song all about being on tour and missing your wife and it's a beautiful song the first album

[00:38:25] as a song called doose and it's just brilliant rock and roll and yeah so many great songs I have opened up a candle worms it just to let you know my blast can be my favourite kids songs

[00:38:37] you carry on because you can't just say to watch favourite kids songs because I'll be like I don't have one I can't I can't I can't I can't listen I can't just

[00:38:46] can't be yeah no I don't have very safe favourite things very like top fuck I always think it's interchangeable yeah I see you yeah and I'm with you I'm like that with pretty much all

[00:38:55] the bands I love it's like depends on the day you can't and especially with band that has so many different sounds like kiss like I'm saying but lately I've been majorly into like the non-maker

[00:39:04] period like the 80s era like like the same my way a great great song yeah animalizers sung on their called heavens on fire it's one of their big hits and again the intro to that

[00:39:17] song is Paul Baysky Warman is vocal up in the in the vocal booth and they went that sounds awesome that's going on the record I'm not gonna try and do it because I'll embarrass myself my voice

[00:39:27] or break it and everything but it's literally his high pitch noises but it's brilliant and it adds to the aesthetic of the song but if I'm gonna recommend two full albums oh please do

[00:39:40] creatures are like it's their last album in maker before them they can put it back on 96 the drum sound on that album is one of the greatest drum sounds I've ever heard it is just for

[00:39:53] nom it's booming it's loud as a song that I'm called I love it loud it's one of my favorites one my daughter's favorite because songs as well and it's just boom boom boom boom boom to start

[00:40:03] it off and you're like me I mean a tank like it it's brilliant and a song my other favorite album is a solum to non-maker period high pitched kickass shredding guitar solos

[00:40:16] king of the mountain the first song on there is phenomenal as well and I want it to be known to people that let's see this band and go now that's just make up my it's nothing whatever make up

[00:40:26] and hello kitty dolls whatever is but no there is brilliant brilliant music out there as well like a name right incredible ballads like there was a movie that came at a 99 called Detroit Rock City

[00:40:40] which is a name on it so it's basically it's an American pie style teen comedy movie bass drum kiss it's brilliant even if you're not a kids fan watch it it's brilliant

[00:40:50] and it's actually about four high school kids who are going to see kiss at Copa Hall in Detroit in 1976 and one of those mum is a devout Christian and burns the tickets and then they go

[00:40:59] try find a way to get there again brilliant film because there's a song on the soundtrack to that and it's a ballad song and it wasn't even in the film it's just on the anchored it's but that

[00:41:10] song was my first dance song on my wedding so oh brilliant so that song is really special to me and I love the fact as well because there was a massive kiss fan at my wedding and it came on

[00:41:19] he was like I don't know what that song is I don't recognize that song because I have I have a kiss knowledge user thank you very much yeah you were a self-hafant yes no nothing sir

[00:41:30] your band from my wedding like a true fan but it's special songs about it's dang him wrong David there's been some doff songs over the years not everyone is a hit

[00:41:43] but there's been some they've done so many good songs and I think people need to give them more of a chance and step away from those pre-given conceptions of what they're like because they're not

[00:41:54] like that at all if you talk about that away there'd still be a great rock and roll band which is what they tried to do in the ages yeah yeah yeah I find that fascinating yeah because again I know

[00:42:05] it's that whole it's just it's just people's assumptions right it's just what we do but if something I've discovered doing this podcast I call it box thinking yes let's see

[00:42:15] a thing we put it in a box and go that's it um I could see how that happens to kiss like you say whether you're in the metal scene you look at them and just arts a silly glam rock band or

[00:42:25] if you're not you might look at them and believe that for whatever reason that they are some sort of weird satanic cult band one of the strangest myths around kiss that I have

[00:42:34] never understood I will say that now as somebody who just my first heard that was like well that cannot be true because if you listen to any of their songs it's immediately obvious that

[00:42:44] it's not but that's the stigma that most metal and rock and roll gets I love my favorite thing about kiss like you're saying with a whole satan worshiping is the devout Christians of the

[00:42:54] 70s picketins saying kiss it stands for nights in satan service I'm like yeah I've usually sent to their music love not really it's sort of my favorite things ever it's just a satanic panic

[00:43:10] well nice trying to sleep as many women as physically possible yes we'll go with that it doesn't work as an acronym but we'll go with that like they have a song all right of a woman that collects

[00:43:21] molds of people's penises it's yeah it's not as ugly you know PC but it's not satanic in the they get a satanic is basically gene schools themselves the demon and he spits blood on stage

[00:43:34] and again he got that from a circus act not from the devil so right that's it that's the thing isn't it again it's yeah it's an interesting stigma that I've always found fascinating around certain

[00:43:47] bands you kind of like yeah I mean not really especially in this day and age kind of like just google it if you're really honest and just you know if you really want to find out yeah google it and like I

[00:44:00] was saying again that you hear you hear any kiss on the radio and suddenly go yeah this is not this is not anything remotely in that ballpark lots of effort very obviously I just think people in

[00:44:14] that era were very bored and just wanted to protest things if it wasn't that it was done just in dragons and lots of other things that they just got a blow down to what makes you laugh again

[00:44:24] it's a fascinating era of like American history sort of the panic culture that existed around then and yeah music pop culture it all got swept up in it and I love the fact there are bands out there

[00:44:36] that do think about things like satan stuff like and they just get left and imagine King Diamond and that's what fight are you sat there go yeah that's something there's something it's very obvious and

[00:44:47] you know someone who's not a fan of any of that I'm like yeah I'll stay out of stay away from it but like you say they're usually usually telegraph that sort of stuff and you kind of go okay right

[00:44:57] that's you is it okay where is he a band like kiss it's like obviously not that's like accusing guns and roses of being satanic in some way or you know it's like it just isn't and

[00:45:09] but yeah okay it's just that thing of a band I guess if you make an image you make yourself stand out you do theatrics if basically what I'm saying if things are people don't understand

[00:45:19] and give the time of day to you're gonna make all sorts of weird and wild assumptions and it is an element of them that I do feel sort of a bit of sympathy for because I kind of think

[00:45:29] it's sort of damned if they do damned if they don't right like on the one hand yeah they probably getting grief from people completely misunderstanding what they're about and then in the communities that there are parts of the rock and roll metal community now be people that will

[00:45:42] ostracize them because it's you know it's not heavy enough what's glam what it's disco it's you know whatever so I kind of can understand if that maybe pushes you in a direction to go

[00:45:53] oh do you know what to hell with all of you we're just gonna do what we're gonna do we're gonna make as much money as possible have a bunch of hits see you and just you know crack on

[00:46:03] which fair plight and they did because at the end of the day I lot you say that brings so much what is it what is the expression any press is good press so if they're in the news for

[00:46:14] being satanic and whatnot then the parents might be like no within the kids are like yeah rebel let's go I'm buying tickets like yeah to then probably stand there and go he's talking about ladies wearing high heels what satanic I'm confused

[00:46:29] not as appetizer but I like it so if I was made for loving you baby do do do do do do do what yeah it's some hardcore sage story yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:46:41] careful careful yeah but then again it's and there's that thing of like you said the rock metal kind of get ah well it's not really is it but it is guys it is I mean if I'm not

[00:46:52] funny if facie dc rlyo to exist there's absolutely no reason why kiss can't exist also exactly and I think as well the one thing that you're doing for the get in the credit for is how much

[00:47:02] they've inspired and helped have artists oh yeah 100% you matter very much because I've heard of people that because I'm again I wanted to ask you about this there's an official like sort of fan base

[00:47:14] right called the kiss army as I wrote the kiss army yeah the kiss army was started I can't remember what year was as many years ago but basically two fans wanted kiss played on their local

[00:47:24] radio station and it wasn't happening to their basically started their own fan club they went outside the radio station and we're like no we want this band played and it started from there

[00:47:35] and fans upon fans upon fans grew and it became what is known as the kiss army you could still back in the day you could join it for a certain fee you get like membership packs you get a

[00:47:44] patch to put on your jacket I've got one somewhere and all sorts of loads of perks I found now you could just click and subscribe on their website it was basically their mailing list now

[00:47:54] but yeah back in the day it was a proper fan club of this band to show how much they meant to and I learned I dread to what you find that much passion in fans nowadays there will go

[00:48:06] I am going to stand outside your radio station until you play my favourite band yeah give them respect that they deserve like you don't find that level of fandom anymore yeah so it's Bill Starkie and Jason Starkie that's right I said a quick google um oh yeah

[00:48:25] Q to google jingle oh maybe I'll put this sneaky google in while you're talking oh I'll just I'll decide later but anyway distracting myself if you're introducing duties I am I'm absolutely fascinated by that and I agree with you Jamie that's that's some fandom I can get

[00:48:50] behind of just you right it's because it's not aggressive it's not you know harassing people online or throwing bricks for people's windows it's just I'm here and I'm going to stay here

[00:49:02] until you put this right yep so you give give this band some love fair enough and from what you're saying and what I'm just quickly reading on here yeah obviously then spread into something quite lovely in genuine and it's an interesting aspect of every discussion I have

[00:49:18] most of every discussion is this idea of community but we add something right and yeah I would I would not be surprised to learn that this is a band with you know very much

[00:49:30] falls into that category right of building a community oh absolutely like back in 2005 I think even the whole end to my first ever kiss expert and it was great and the fact that this exists

[00:49:40] I'm not sure if they still happen now I've not seen one over here anyway I don't have to stop in the States but it was literally you went to this thing there was people selling merchandise

[00:49:49] there was tribute bands and all a former kish drummers there people to meet and people were just chatting and getting along and talking all about their favourite band I remember getting into a

[00:49:59] discussion with this guy I'd never met before my life and we were just talking about this certain album and we were just like I love this song it's a great song yeah I didn't want that

[00:50:07] in playing on current tours it's ridiculous they don't play on current tours like proper getting into conversation about these records and I was like I love how passionate this guy is

[00:50:15] about this band but everyone tells me I'm stupid for love in so much like hmm and it's great yeah and it's like I met the reason I got into podcasts in general it's because of kiss

[00:50:27] because I found this thing called the kiss podcast and this is this far back talking 2004 I had to download it off of this website and drag the file onto my MP3 player in order to listen

[00:50:39] to the kiss podcast that's how far back we're going here and I love that I met this guy at that exponent I was like your show is amazing I list all the time he's like someone listens to my show over

[00:50:51] here it's like oh man that's awesome but his kiss exposures were amazing like kissed it their own version in 96 they basically tore it across the states and they did unplug shows like and which eventually led to them doing MTV unplugged and doing a load of their songs are

[00:51:10] acoustic which added a whole new level to these songs which I can't remember whom which musician heard say it wants to be basically said a song is not a good song unless you could play on

[00:51:20] on the acoustic guitar oh because at the end of the day that is a guitar you are playing that is as raw as it gets as a guitar yeah sounds good on that it might sound different to the way you

[00:51:30] know it but if he doesn't sound like a good song he's a good song I was like I don't know if I agree with that statement but I get what you're getting at I just I was in in the sort of genre

[00:51:41] of rock and roll it makes sense right yeah because it's it's typically the lead instrument it's sort of driving the melody and like you said if you can strip that back into sort of like an

[00:51:52] unplugged version and it still carries and yes and these songs sounded incredible on acoustic guitar like they just added a whole new life to these songs and it really and it's a brilliant

[00:52:04] new record I can't recommend enough just to hear these songs a little bit differently and they played songs on that but people have never heard before or they'd never played live before because

[00:52:14] other day hated the album it came off there's a certain kiss album it gets a lot of stick and I think only recent years has received any credit they did an arm call music from the elder

[00:52:24] and it was a concept album it was basically about a story about a boy who went on an adventure to find himself and battled this demon and no one really knows what it's about it's very convoluted

[00:52:35] all the songs were released out of order on the record it was a complete disaster but they played a couple of songs off that record on this light on this acoustic handbeel like

[00:52:45] you know like they were really good songs like they've played like take it everything away from it they were really good songs and it gives you some a bit more respect for these songs it's

[00:52:54] great listen right if you can find the extended version they didn't release it's even fun yeah because they do version of god of thunder which is one of their heaviest songs yeah and they did that as a country song and it's brilliant wow it's it's they never released

[00:53:09] they was clearly for the live audience yeah you have to follow like a book like version of this album and it's absolutely ridiculous absolutely that's incredible though I love that absolutely love that I'm here for that yeah as I learned recently there is a lot of cross-over

[00:53:27] between the sort of heavy metal in the country oh yeah scenes so okay i could see that working i can see it's brilliant on pop music like oh why did you only do a snippet that would

[00:53:35] bring great tears of false songs when i'm out because it's just brilliant fun yeah yeah and I suppose that's the thing right thinking about it if you're going to be in this band

[00:53:46] you've got to have some fun absolutely right you can I don't think you can take it all too seriously you can't you've got you know at the end of the day you're walking out in eight inch heels

[00:53:55] a face full of makeup this day and age weeks like never leather PVC chains amongst the jump in around you've got to have a bit of fun really any if you step back and look at two series

[00:54:07] you go this is really it's really is a little bit silly isn't it i'm walking on stage and wagging my tongue around and blowing fire and spitting blood it's a little bit ridiculous

[00:54:19] but it's fun and that's all the matters is it's fun yeah yeah exactly and that's kind of what it should be I think again especially for that era of music that as we said at the start

[00:54:32] that is what's drive so much of it it has to be it has to be a bit of fun and if it a lot will say in early i think those bands are putting that little bit of extra effort into

[00:54:41] their appearance as stage presence of land they're the ones that get remembered well it's beyond if slipknot came out in 2000 or two thousand one more of a year it was and they were just nine dudes on stage with no jumpsuits no masks yeah then probably still

[00:54:55] be famous they're great songs but would they be as famous would they be as recognised if it weren't for that i don't think so because no i think it's what makes you stand out in a crowd

[00:55:07] and gets you out there and I think that's so important no i agree i agree and i think there is something to that of performances well i i imagine it also plays with the performance like

[00:55:18] i know listening to interviews with grotella that that's part of the thing of the mask is it's sort of like disappearing into this character and it changes the way that he approaches those songs and if you don't believe me go and listen to your solo stuff or stone

[00:55:33] sour it's very very different and then even recently i was listening to an interview with the front man from a bankled tesseract is sort of a new listen of why don't you've heard of them

[00:55:44] i don't really actually heard them bring out of them yeah so thing i wasn't aware and then shed it to jack chambers wood a former guest on this show he sort of mentioned them in passing

[00:55:54] and when looked up really good band like really sort of interesting progressive stuff it's kind of like that band and the band's sleep token is another one that's recently discovered where it's the same thing whether it's all about the performance is all about the theatrics

[00:56:10] yes and that yeah the front man of tesseract reason i bring up because i heard an interview with him recently talking about his uh his approach to songs and vocals and the guide has also

[00:56:21] interesting stuff with his voice he was explaining the concept behind the albums and the fact that it's a character that's singing these words and right these lyrics and that changes the approach

[00:56:34] to what you do and i was fascinated by that just in terms of like a blend of psychology and art and i can see that approaching that sort of i can see that approach basically

[00:56:45] with a band like kiss yeah if you're going out if you're doing that if you're putting that performance on it's gonna change how you approach the songs right it's gonna change how you do things live i'd have thought you probably will tap into things creatively in your brain

[00:57:02] that maybe you wouldn't do and i guess i'll hand this back over to like do you feel like you get that approach or do you hear sort of hear that change in sound in the different areas for example

[00:57:13] the sort of maker pera versus the non-maker pera in terms of how they approach their songs absolutely looks at there is a very different sound and i think not only is it trying to

[00:57:21] stay relevant because that is a big part there's no denying that but you feel that difference and i'll say an earlier on how it was their life performance got them over because those records

[00:57:31] don't have that same sound and i've often wondered is it because when they're on stage they're not poor gene a sumpir they are the start of demon the catman the spaceman they are up there

[00:57:42] in the persona they're like believe in what they're saying they're proper going for it instead of being sitting in a studio who prepare headphones on go it's not the same it's not getting

[00:57:53] the same vibe across and i wonder if that is part of it because it is the character that energy that character brings that feel from the crowd who were just eating every word you say

[00:58:05] but it's got to be part of it and like i said when they took the maker off it's the same band there's a lot of it is the same sort of lyrical content basically your

[00:58:13] ralady i'm a man let's do this thing because i like your songs about that but yeah but there is a different feel to those songs it's hard to describe i'm coming ahead to describe

[00:58:25] it but it is definitely different it's less of a performance and it's more we are now for musicians let's write some stuff right and it is very different and then when they got back in the

[00:58:37] make up and they do that first album psychosurcus in 97 i'm okay mate you get that feeling again of this song is by the demon this song is by spaceman you do feel like they're tapping to those

[00:58:49] personas a little bit definitely they can't deny it's definitely there yeah that's fascinating genuinely because again i feel like i hear this sort of coming across from a lot more artists these days in different genres as i say whether it's sort of progressive music

[00:59:08] whether it is yes i guess you could say glam music or whatever genre it is i think whenever there's a bit of performance or hell even a stage name right just thinking about that how many

[00:59:21] people bands have had stage names any kind of one do yeah i wonder if they were just played differently if they didn't have that i mean would slash approach the guitar the same way if he was

[00:59:32] just saw Hudson and not slash maybe i don't know i mean i start to think he's obviously would still be just as talented and amazing but with the approach we different you know because of

[00:59:43] the persona and the character because that's what it is and i guess to come back to what we were saying at the start so to that extent if anything it's like now i think about it now we've explored

[00:59:55] that avenue like oh actually that's quite clever that's quite interesting and i mean from more curious now to go and check this out a bit more and give it some time i've always wondered as well

[01:00:03] a lot of the bands who do give themselves stage names you put those personas on just looking like really detailed it is it a form of therapy is like yeah my life i've got a lot of

[01:00:13] going on i'm gonna walk out that stage i am no longer Stanley ison i'm now Paul Stanley the star child let's forget all these stuff that's going on let's go i'm on that stage now i'm a different

[01:00:25] person and it sort of helps you drop i don't know i this is not some of another they've never really opened up to that level in interviews and stuff but it just makes me wonder is that i sort of

[01:00:35] a stage thing that makes them go right this is me and is that why it's so hard to let go for some of these bands these legacy bands because that's like that's my defense mechanism that's

[01:00:45] my shield i now have to go in the big bad world and be myself but yeah and and to go even deeper on that who am i outside of the character exactly that lot of people have given kiss a lot of

[01:00:57] grief over the past few years and i've said you may want to go are they money grabbing us and but have you ever sat back and thought they've been doing this for 50 years to then suddenly go

[01:01:06] this is not who i am anymore this is not what i'm gonna do for my life anymore i'm now gonna go sit in my house like every big house and yeah with my wife and my children and i'm

[01:01:18] not gonna go and tour the world play music at a love anything that stuff i've dedicated my life to for 50 years i'm not gonna do that anymore that can't be easy to do no i mean i think

[01:01:31] people just in no i don't want to say flippin but in sort of in air quotes every day careers find that hard to do right retirement's difficult for anyone absolutely it really is like

[01:01:45] i've been doing my podcast now for we've been doing this particular show for over two years if you told me today you cannot do that anymore i would be a broken man because that is my

[01:01:54] thing that i love to do that is you know it's part of me now and i've only been doing this i've been doing this two years not 50 and i haven't told the world i'm playing for a thousand and a

[01:02:03] millions of people so i can only imagine how hard it's got to be to hang it up as much as part of me says please hang it up i get why they don't want to and i try not to judge that because i

[01:02:14] turned understand why they wouldn't want to i really do yeah i do genuinely hope that they figure out the way to retire and at least do it on a high i think that's the worry like you said earlier

[01:02:27] if it gets to the point where you kind of feel like you just you know you're putting down a sick animal like it's just like okay it's time now it's just sad no one enjoys it if one's miserable it would

[01:02:36] be nice to kind of see them do something that just means that they end on a bit of a bang even though it's not going to be the same as it was you know like 30 years ago even

[01:02:48] that's fine it would be nice to see people retire with dignity i suppose i think it's well like we're saying they need to go out and help other artists because they don't get

[01:02:57] help someone else like said van hayland wouldn't be a thing rush wouldn't be a thing if you wasn't for kiss because they took a mountaino's early tours and got them that crowd but on

[01:03:04] joe the one be as big as they were if it wasn't for kiss because again to hang out on those early tours so you know they've helped so many artists along the way for jeans Simmons to not hang up

[01:03:13] his boot and then go and help bands with their marketing and getting their brand and their name out there would be a crime because as much as we laugh about it and take the micken that man is

[01:03:24] clever when it comes to marketing and brand it's worked and it's worked for many years my it to not pass on that knowledge would almost be criminal yeah and no song right in

[01:03:37] production there's so many things these guys have been involved in in the years I really hope they do go okay we're not going to perform anymore but let's go help the next generation

[01:03:46] I've always felt like that that should be the way for a lot of touring and recording artists right it's a kind of go the way of like sports managers right like athletes becoming coaches

[01:03:58] it's like why not just have that transition absolutely with a lot of fans but as you say maybe it comes back to what you just said a minute ago maybe it's like I don't know how to let go of that

[01:04:07] it's what I do and it's but then like you said it's like okay that's great pass it on yeah give it to somebody else and yeah credit regret it as Jews like we've just

[01:04:17] briefly touched on here there is a mountain of success here that they've achieved which is unlike a lot of bands in the world yeah I agree with you man pass it on absolutely get out out there

[01:04:29] get it to other people if you're going to do this last ever promise pinky promise definitely finally really honestly for real not coming back you know for ever tour just make it the last

[01:04:43] one and call it a day I still think in total day they die though but that voice in the back my head to go it's gonna be another one and I just know it yeah like you said they're not the

[01:04:54] only ones all season otherwise did the same when metallic have finished their set and even I thought yeah I don't know if you got another one in your lads like you look like you're struggling

[01:05:02] by the end like and that's again there's no disrespect but it is like like you said you're in your 60s you're in your 70s you're in your 80s some of them it's like

[01:05:12] it's absolutely no shame in calling it a day. In the day if you worked in a supermarket you would have been retired a long time ago oh it's that age now. Bratial yeah yeah exactly there's

[01:05:23] if you're not comfortable driving you know without assistance like you should maybe maybe it's not good to go on a worldwide tour and do all the casapas brutal that is hard going so

[01:05:37] but like I said it's easy for people to judge I'm a huge per-resting fan yeah and you've got rest as I had a rick flare is a prime example oh my god stop you know there's still he's even said

[01:05:48] in an interview and listen to the other day he's still one to one more match I'm like please for the love of god Rick don't you will die on stage that's he will he'll die in the ring

[01:05:58] that's what's gonna happen but again how he's been doing it for so many years from so many crowds how hard can it's got to be hard to let go and it does

[01:06:09] yeah it's very easy to look in but yeah here's true but so I guess the other the more or this is yeah maybe that's not judged them for that I'm just appreciate what's here and we

[01:06:20] certainly for myself Jamie I'm going to be going away and listening to the what you've recommended that have even downloaded the albums you mentioned so I will be given them a share and I

[01:06:28] will be messaging you like me what I think because I think it's always worth checking these things out no and that's one thing if people listen to this and they've not heard kiss before and they're

[01:06:36] just listening to because they're massive fans of this show please give them a chance yes we'll save a few yeah but please give them a chance because it is more than the make-up

[01:06:46] on the stage show there's a reason they got to the level where they can do the make-up and the stage shows they are brilliant kickass rock and roll don't go in their expecting in

[01:06:55] Guimalamo esteen or some like technical ballics yeah if you just want some good time rock and roll please give you guys go check them out they're brilliant I really are well said thank you so

[01:07:07] on that note Jamie I'd close the site I'm just gonna hand it over to you my friend where can the good people find you oh where can the good people find me the best place to find me is on

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[01:08:16] jokes and that was very painful for but it's time that segment ended he was just like oh thank god but as well we also talk to people from all over the world like different backgrounds musicians podcast

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[01:09:04] we are all big members of the alternative subculture the rock and melcamyu ne we sat down a few years ago we've silvia Lancaster who was the mother of Sophie Lancaster to don't you if you remember

[01:09:15] Sophie was a young girl the last her life due to the fact she was dressed like a goth that was literally it so we spoke to her and from that we built a budding lovely relationship with the Sophie Lancaster

[01:09:26] so now we go to festivals we interview bands talking all about the foundation we're raising awareness for that charity so if people are like there aren't aware please go to the bit of our Sophie Lancaster foundation make yourself familiar with that story because it's a message we want

[01:09:39] to spread everywhere for our other board so we would mean the absolute world so yeah go follow us and all the socials go follow Sophie Lancaster foundation and go listen to kiss they're brilliant

[01:09:48] go check them out no no they've got 750 compilation albums just go put one of them on you're gonna taste that exactly a greatest hits to get you started and go watch kiss exposed

[01:10:00] and watch them with ridiculous home video you'll ever see in your life really good I'll be sure to put links to all of that in the show now so thank you very much Jamie thank you very much

[01:10:09] my friend there's been great fun really appreciate having me all and there we have it thank you so much Jamie for coming on to the podcast and sharing your love of the legendary band that is kiss

[01:10:21] I really hope you guys this thing enjoyed this episode I haven't tarn of fun talking about this with Jamie and have gone back actually and listened to some of the albums that he recommended

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