Random Fandom: Rick & Morty with Mallavora

[00:00:14] Hello and welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture one conversation at a time.

[00:00:19] I am your host, Harley. Every episode I interview different people from around the world to discuss

[00:00:26] a variety of topics within the world of pop culture. Thanks for joining me on this journey

[00:00:31] and I hope you enjoy the episode. Welcome to the fourth episode of Random Fandom 2024.

[00:00:45] For this episode, I'm joined by Ellis and Jack from the brilliant band Malavora. The good folks over at

[00:00:52] Marshall were kind enough to get in touch and let me know that these guys had a brand new EP coming out

[00:00:57] and with that, the opportunity to talk to some of the band members about something in pop culture that

[00:01:03] they would love to discuss. And they came back with an absolute banger of a topic. For in this episode,

[00:01:09] we are discussing the incredibly successful and iconic animated show Rick and Morty. What started

[00:01:17] off as a kind of quirky cult sci-fi comedy show on Adult Swim quickly became a worldwide sensation.

[00:01:24] It's a show that has millions of fans around the world and for good reason, as we find out in this

[00:01:31] discussion. It was an absolute delight to sit down with Ellis and Jack and talk about this show and

[00:01:36] just share what's happened to it over the years, the way that fans have interacted with it, the

[00:01:40] different methods of storytelling, its approaches to big topics, its approaches to the whole sci-fi

[00:01:46] setting and so much more. It was so much fun talking with these guys. And again, I highly recommend that

[00:01:53] you go and check out their brand new EP, Echoes, which I've left links to in the show notes of this

[00:01:57] episode. Right, that's enough from me. Let's just get on with the conversation.

[00:02:04] This is Rick and Morty with Ellis and Jack from Balavora.

[00:02:18] Hello, Ellis and Jack, and welcome to the Fundamentals Podcast.

[00:02:22] Hello. Thank you for having us.

[00:02:24] Oh, it's my pleasure, guys. It's nice to connect with you and,

[00:02:27] and yeah, to try and sort this out. And you've come to me with a topic that

[00:02:31] has actually been quite overdue when I think about it.

[00:02:35] In many ways, it's one that I looked at when it was suggested and thought,

[00:02:38] yeah, how have I not done that yet? That feels a bit of a misstep. So yeah,

[00:02:42] we're here to correct it, folks. We're going to talk Rick and Morty and there's an awful lot to get

[00:02:46] into with this. But to kick us off to start, what I always love to do is get really the origin story

[00:02:52] for the guests. Like what were they, yeah, how were they introduced to this subject? So what was your

[00:02:57] introduction to the show, guys? Where did it begin for you?

[00:03:01] Oh, that's a good question.

[00:03:03] For me, it was when I was at uni in Birmingham.

[00:03:07] Nice.

[00:03:08] Just like, yeah, just after Nights Out, to be honest, someone, someone got me onto it. And

[00:03:14] yeah, I don't know. I think, I mean, I love the show. I know, I know Jack does as well,

[00:03:20] which is kind of why I was like, right, we've got to talk about this because we're really into it.

[00:03:23] But like, it was just the first, it was the first time I saw something, I don't know,

[00:03:29] just like actually really made me laugh. Like it's quite clever, clever for me anyway.

[00:03:34] Yeah.

[00:03:34] But yeah, just at uni really.

[00:03:37] You know, I think, funny enough, I think, I think you introduced me to it, Ellis.

[00:03:40] No, really?

[00:03:41] I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[00:03:44] Oh, I'm proud.

[00:03:45] I feel like maybe we were away at the studio or something.

[00:03:49] Yeah.

[00:03:50] It's something along those lines, I think. Some kind of band adventure of some description.

[00:03:55] Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[00:03:57] Oh, you're so welcome. I had no idea of that.

[00:04:02] There you go. That's cool. So yeah, basically bands, uni, but it was one of those things.

[00:04:07] I don't know about you guys. Did you come into it when it was like first season right off the

[00:04:11] ground or was it sort of a bit later?

[00:04:12] I was, they just finished the second season.

[00:04:17] Right.

[00:04:17] And the third one was coming out, which is like, I think that was where they did like

[00:04:20] the Szechuan sauce stuff and like I lost it.

[00:04:23] Yes.

[00:04:24] Yeah. So I don't know, I came in at a good time.

[00:04:30] Yeah. I guess for you, Jack, if I introduce you to it, it must have been later.

[00:04:34] Yeah, I think so. But I mean, I always do that thing where I'll watch a bit,

[00:04:37] like I'll watch an episode and obviously I'll be like, well, I don't want to watch anymore

[00:04:42] because I've missed loads.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] So go back and then binge the previous seasons first.

[00:04:49] But yeah, it must have been after that.

[00:04:50] I can't remember what the first one I saw was though.

[00:04:54] Okay. Okay.

[00:04:55] The reason I ask is because it does feel like one of those things that once it kind of hit

[00:05:00] the second season into the third is when it blew up.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] I think because it's an adult swim show, like obviously they have so much going on that channel

[00:05:08] that there's always something simmering in the background.

[00:05:11] How about you guys?

[00:05:12] Like it's one of those things I kept hearing about and kept hearing about, you know, loads

[00:05:16] and loads of people referencing it and sort of going, oh, yeah, okay.

[00:05:19] I'll probably check this out at some point.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:21] And then it just suddenly it was everywhere.

[00:05:24] It was just, it was there and that was it.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:27] I remember, I never heard of it before I saw it, but I remember the first episode I watched

[00:05:30] was the, it's still, it's my favorite one actually.

[00:05:33] I like, I really watch this one so much.

[00:05:35] It's the one where they split time by accident and then like the screen also splits and you

[00:05:41] see like four versions.

[00:05:42] I just thought like, yeah, that's such a good idea for a cartoon.

[00:05:45] I don't know.

[00:05:45] I just never, someone may have done it before like that, but just the whole, and then the

[00:05:50] four dimensional dude comes in and he's like, I don't know, he's interacting with

[00:05:53] it.

[00:05:54] Oh, I just feel like that's so clever.

[00:05:55] I want to see more of this.

[00:05:57] And it's, yeah, it's like hilarious.

[00:06:00] Yeah.

[00:06:03] It does feel like one of those shows that given it's a sci-fi show, it sort of really leans

[00:06:08] into that concept.

[00:06:09] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:06:11] Like you say, it makes sense, especially with animation and like what we see now with animation,

[00:06:15] the way things have been in like, I think it's like cinema, for example, like Spider-Verse

[00:06:19] jumps into my head of, you get these movies or stop motion.

[00:06:22] I've talked about that on the podcast before, like you are kind of limitless in what you

[00:06:26] can do with it.

[00:06:27] So bringing that style of, of creativity with something like science fiction, where you

[00:06:33] are just literally going to make something up.

[00:06:35] It makes sense that you would just put those two together in a show and just have as much

[00:06:39] fun as possible.

[00:06:40] Just playing with concepts and rules just don't really apply.

[00:06:43] Just make it up.

[00:06:44] And just also, I like the fact they have fun with the fact that they're just making it

[00:06:48] up.

[00:06:49] And so much of it doesn't make sense.

[00:06:50] And they just kind of point out and they're just like, yeah, I'm not going to try and

[00:06:53] explain it.

[00:06:54] It doesn't matter because it doesn't matter.

[00:06:56] It's just fun to watch.

[00:06:57] Yeah.

[00:06:57] And like, especially those, um, like the improv episodes, um, like the cable ones, again,

[00:07:03] just like really leaning into like, we're just, we're just spitballing here like the

[00:07:08] whole time.

[00:07:09] Yeah, definitely.

[00:07:11] Definitely.

[00:07:12] Yeah.

[00:07:13] I don't know about you.

[00:07:13] I got the impression with that watching the, um, I think, is it universal TV or no multidimensional

[00:07:18] TV?

[00:07:19] Yeah.

[00:07:19] That one.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:20] And like just listening to the performance, you can hear that they're just cracking up

[00:07:24] as they're going through each channel, just like, just kind of making it up as they

[00:07:28] go along.

[00:07:29] Yeah.

[00:07:29] I remember watching that and being like, yeah, this is like, this is my show.

[00:07:32] I love that sort of humor.

[00:07:33] I don't know.

[00:07:34] Just like a bit of humility as well, but some of it is pretty clever, like, especially in the

[00:07:39] later seasons now, like they're really, um, expanding on like Rick's background or not

[00:07:46] his background, like his behavior.

[00:07:47] Like, yeah.

[00:07:49] Yeah.

[00:07:49] I love, I love how that's changed.

[00:07:51] Cause like the first season was definitely like really wacky ideas.

[00:07:55] It's just like, yeah, let's put like an amusement park in a person that's like, um, dogs taken

[00:08:01] over the world.

[00:08:02] And then as it's gone on, it's like much more about like the, the family and like how

[00:08:06] they've all progressed and degraded.

[00:08:09] And yeah, I dunno, it's brilliant in that way.

[00:08:12] It's some really like hard hitting bits in that show as well.

[00:08:15] It's just like, damn.

[00:08:17] I dunno.

[00:08:19] Yeah.

[00:08:20] Yeah.

[00:08:20] What do you reckon Jack?

[00:08:22] Yeah, definitely.

[00:08:23] I mean, it's definitely interesting that like you can see the progression, how it's kind

[00:08:26] of like developed and fleshed out over the seasons.

[00:08:29] I mean, going, I, I liked it.

[00:08:31] I don't really, I'll go back and jump into random episodes rather than like watching the

[00:08:35] whole thing.

[00:08:35] Like, you know, yeah, logical.

[00:08:37] Um, I was, I do think you can definitely tell like a big difference.

[00:08:40] You watch like an early episode and things are definitely a lot more, I dunno, not like thrown

[00:08:46] together, but like, yeah, like, um, what's the word spontaneous, I guess, kind of things.

[00:08:51] And it was just a lot more kind of things happening.

[00:08:54] Whereas obviously as it progresses and it gets much more of a kind of a consistent kind

[00:08:57] of storyline and direction, even though there's still, you know, mad stuff happening or whatever.

[00:09:02] Hmm.

[00:09:02] But, um, yeah, I need to go watch some more.

[00:09:07] I've, I've watched it in a few weeks to be honest.

[00:09:12] I've gone really back into it recently.

[00:09:14] And I, that's probably why I say hot off the top of my head for now to be fair.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:18] I've been watching the most recent season where they like, cause I've changed voice actors

[00:09:22] now as well.

[00:09:23] Yeah.

[00:09:23] Right.

[00:09:24] Justin.

[00:09:25] Yeah.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:27] I think he's still involved in the show though.

[00:09:29] Cause it still has him as a producer in the credits, but I don't know like what that

[00:09:34] means.

[00:09:34] I don't really understand what a producer is to be honest, other than just the person that

[00:09:38] goes like, yes, I was, I was part of that.

[00:09:41] You know, I think a lot of people don't think anybody knows what a producer does.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:45] Just meant to shake hands.

[00:09:47] Like a, you know, title for doing whatever you kind of, you know, you do a little bit

[00:09:51] of this, a little bit of that.

[00:09:52] Oh, you know, there you go.

[00:09:53] You can be a producer.

[00:09:55] I don't know.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:56] Exactly.

[00:09:57] And this film produces obviously music, produce a very different thing.

[00:10:00] Like.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] Yeah.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] Well, you guys would know.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:05] Hopefully.

[00:10:06] Hopefully.

[00:10:07] At this point.

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:08] I hope so.

[00:10:10] Yeah.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:11] It's interesting that as well.

[00:10:13] I mean, I won't spend too much time on that, but yeah, the, the change over again,

[00:10:17] yeah, watching this, the newer season.

[00:10:19] I don't know about you guys.

[00:10:20] I was like, okay, you can tell, but it's not too egregious.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:24] Like it's close enough where you're like, you, you settle into it pretty quickly.

[00:10:27] It's not like, what's this?

[00:10:29] Yeah.

[00:10:29] I definitely agree.

[00:10:30] I think I remember when it was, you know, a lot of people were kicking off about it.

[00:10:33] And there was a lot of people that were very unhappy about changing the voice actor.

[00:10:37] But I think after it's like, after like a, probably after, even after an episode, you

[00:10:42] know, it's not even.

[00:10:43] No.

[00:10:44] Not even a thing.

[00:10:45] No.

[00:10:45] You know, it's.

[00:10:48] It's such minor details.

[00:10:50] Like, and I think as well, as the season goes on, you can kind of hear like the new

[00:10:54] actors.

[00:10:54] I don't actually know who does the voices now, but like they kind of relax a bit almost

[00:10:59] and then they're putting their expression into it.

[00:11:02] Cause obviously it's like Justin's characters, but they're kind of seem a bit more relaxed

[00:11:06] into it.

[00:11:07] Um, I did, I kind of thought like, oh, is this going to ruin the show?

[00:11:10] But then they, they've really stepped up with the story for me.

[00:11:13] Like, yeah, I'm kind of opposite to Jack.

[00:11:15] I love, I go back and watch like seasons at a time.

[00:11:18] Cause I just love the light.

[00:11:19] The follow through and the, like the, yeah.

[00:11:23] The cliffhangers.

[00:11:23] It's, I dunno.

[00:11:24] I just, I'm a nerd for it.

[00:11:26] I definitely think they were like, obviously they changed the voice actor for Reg in that,

[00:11:31] but cause they've had such consistency with the other voice actors.

[00:11:34] Do you know what I mean?

[00:11:34] Like Sarah Chalk for Beth, like the whole thing.

[00:11:37] And what's his name?

[00:11:39] The guy that does Jerry.

[00:11:40] Yeah.

[00:11:42] His name.

[00:11:43] He's like Cyril Figgis and Archie and stuff.

[00:11:45] I can find out for you now.

[00:11:45] In fact, do you know what?

[00:11:46] This is a perfect opportunity for me to throw in my IMDB jingles.

[00:11:50] Here we go.

[00:11:50] Hell yeah.

[00:11:51] What do I know?

[00:11:52] I knew there was a straight CV.

[00:11:55] How many seasons were there?

[00:12:02] Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to IMDB.

[00:12:13] Chris Parnell.

[00:12:14] That's who it is.

[00:12:15] That's who it is.

[00:12:16] I didn't even need IMDB, but I'm going to pull it up just to be safe.

[00:12:19] Just in time.

[00:12:20] I don't know.

[00:12:22] He does like, he's in like Archer and all sorts of stuff.

[00:12:26] Yeah.

[00:12:26] He's really good.

[00:12:27] Chris Parnell.

[00:12:28] Yeah.

[00:12:29] He is one of those actors that you say, you look through his, his, uh, yeah, his sort

[00:12:33] of his IMDB page and you're like, wow, he's in everything.

[00:12:36] Oh my God.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:40] He was in that.

[00:12:40] Very solid.

[00:12:42] He's in fallout.

[00:12:44] Yeah.

[00:12:45] Goosebumps.

[00:12:46] Oh my God.

[00:12:47] Throwback.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:51] I mean, yeah, he's definitely, I don't know.

[00:12:54] It's funny with, with Jerry.

[00:12:56] Cause I think that's perhaps a character that does to your point earlier there, Alice about

[00:13:01] the show's growth and the way it gets very introspective about characters.

[00:13:04] It's quite funny, isn't it?

[00:13:06] Cause Jerry sort of just starts as like this bumbling idiot.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:10] That has no idea what's going on.

[00:13:12] And that's like, obviously the butt of the joke for most of the episodes.

[00:13:16] I mean, I seem to remember one episode where like there's a Jerry daycare center and there's

[00:13:20] just like hundreds of dead Jerry.

[00:13:23] And the joke being that like, they can't bring him on the adventures cause he'll, he's too

[00:13:27] stupid and he'll get killed.

[00:13:28] So they just have to leave him here and like stuff like that.

[00:13:32] And then as you say, you get further and further into the seasons and like, he becomes a lot more

[00:13:38] of a well-rounded character.

[00:13:39] I would argue in some episodes, he's almost like the heart of an episode.

[00:13:43] A hundred percent.

[00:13:44] Yeah.

[00:13:45] I, I, I'm kind of, I don't know about you guys.

[00:13:47] I kind of love shows that do that where they take a character and just let them organically

[00:13:50] grow.

[00:13:51] Yeah.

[00:13:52] You know, and at this point, just looking on here, it says that they're up to like 72

[00:13:55] episodes.

[00:13:56] You kind of hope by that point that yeah, some people do change and they get a bit of

[00:13:59] an arc and they're allowed to explore these characters in a bit more detail.

[00:14:03] Yeah.

[00:14:04] I think particularly like, say like Morty and Jerry, they're kind of like one of the same in a

[00:14:09] way they're like the, like the, yeah, like they're seen as the idiot, the buffoon and

[00:14:14] the earlier ones, obviously Morty's like a kid as well.

[00:14:17] But then they become almost like your heroes in some of the newer seasons, particularly

[00:14:22] Morty, but like also Jerry.

[00:14:24] And then Beth and Rick, who at least for me, I saw it was the more like, they're like

[00:14:28] the smart ones that are like the more cool ones.

[00:14:31] And then they become like your more disliked characters in a way.

[00:14:35] Like true.

[00:14:36] I don't know.

[00:14:37] I love that like duality, like the hero being a villain and yeah, touch some, some like, I

[00:14:44] don't know.

[00:14:44] Like there's the episode where he, um, he claims Beth and, and then he mixes up the

[00:14:49] clones.

[00:14:50] So he doesn't know which is which.

[00:14:51] And like, that's just like a, I don't know.

[00:14:54] It's so messed up and it's like, it's perfect for Rick.

[00:14:56] You know, it's exactly what you do.

[00:14:57] And yeah.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:14:59] I don't know what that's relevant to in like the real world, but it feels like it's a

[00:15:03] metaphor for something.

[00:15:06] What do you reckon Jack?

[00:15:07] Pretty specific metaphor.

[00:15:09] I think mixing, mixing up a clone.

[00:15:12] It's probably not the right way.

[00:15:17] That's a great episode though.

[00:15:18] I love it when, what is it?

[00:15:20] Is what do they call it?

[00:15:20] Eat like evil bath.

[00:15:21] Whenever she comes back space.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] And then falls in love with herself.

[00:15:27] Which is.

[00:15:27] Oh my God.

[00:15:28] Yeah.

[00:15:30] I feel like that, but that to me, he says like, it has a lot to say about narcissism.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:34] And about like people's intelligence and like the big thing for Rick being like, he's

[00:15:39] the smartest guy in any room in any universe, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter ultimately.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:48] You know, it's, it's all about the, I like the fact that the show keeps pointing that

[00:15:51] out that it's like, yeah, but you're still not a good person.

[00:15:54] Yeah.

[00:15:55] That's what ultimately people were drawn to.

[00:15:57] It doesn't matter how smart you are.

[00:15:59] It's like, so what, you know, you still have to be a good person.

[00:16:03] And yeah, I kind of like that, that is buried in there.

[00:16:06] And I, and I agree like the, the interesting arc that best characters gone on with that

[00:16:11] and sort of exploring what that means.

[00:16:13] And it's pretty interesting ways as you said, just a minute ago as well.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] I think, I think that's good.

[00:16:19] That's a good kind of point though.

[00:16:20] And it, you know, how it's such a common thing that, you know, the, who have the protagonist

[00:16:25] of the story is always like the good guy, the moral kind of, um, you know, paragon or,

[00:16:30] or whatever, but, you know, it's always more of a refreshing angle.

[00:16:34] I think to have someone that is center of story, but as a fallible person in such an obvious,

[00:16:39] well, not just a obvious way in such a range of obvious ways that probably makes it a bit

[00:16:45] more refreshing to watch.

[00:16:46] Cause it's a bit more human, I suppose.

[00:16:49] You know what I mean?

[00:16:50] You see all the failings and yeah, narcissism and egotistical kind of nature and all of it

[00:16:57] kind of coming together, probably makes that a lot more engaging for people to actually

[00:17:00] kind of relate to, you know, not supposed to not relate to.

[00:17:04] Super relatable.

[00:17:07] I thought you'd say the smartest man in the universe thing.

[00:17:10] That too.

[00:17:10] Yeah.

[00:17:12] That too, obviously.

[00:17:15] It just reminded me of something actually, I'm going to see if I can share this with you.

[00:17:18] Um, this will be, this will be a first, I'm having a lot of firsts on this show, on the

[00:17:25] recent episodes.

[00:17:27] So yeah, I don't know if you can see this image that I'm going to send.

[00:17:31] Uh, it should be uploading.

[00:17:33] Oh, yeah.

[00:17:34] There you go.

[00:17:35] Loading.

[00:17:35] So for everyone listening at home, I've sent in, there's this meme that goes around a

[00:17:39] lot.

[00:17:40] And it's the, if you idolize them, you missed the point.

[00:17:42] Yeah.

[00:17:43] And like, and it's got like a series of characters you recognize from pop culture.

[00:17:46] In this one, um, I had to switch out.

[00:17:49] There's, there is actually one with Rick Sanchez in the middle, but for some reason

[00:17:53] there's someone else in this image.

[00:17:54] So that's fun.

[00:17:55] But the point I'm making is, is yeah, it's, it's an interesting one.

[00:18:00] And it's an interesting one to get into in terms of fandom, which is something obviously

[00:18:03] we talk a lot about on this show.

[00:18:05] And I do find it fascinating how Rick Sanchez as a character is often so misunderstood by

[00:18:13] so much of the fandom.

[00:18:14] Like the things we're talking about here about what the show is saying about the character.

[00:18:19] Some, it just goes over some people's heads and some people take away the whole, like

[00:18:24] almost like a nihilistic philosophy from the show of like, but it's okay because he, you

[00:18:30] know, beat the evil galactic empire.

[00:18:33] It's kind of like the villain in the first couple of seasons, or he did this or he did

[00:18:36] that.

[00:18:37] So it's fine.

[00:18:37] It's like, no, that's not the point.

[00:18:40] And in all of those actions, people always end up worse off.

[00:18:43] And like, yeah, it's, it's, he often ends up causing more problems than he solves.

[00:18:48] Yeah.

[00:18:48] Because he thinks I'm the smartest person.

[00:18:50] I can just do whatever I want.

[00:18:51] Yeah.

[00:18:51] I mean, isn't that, isn't that, I kind of, I can't know what season is, but there's literally

[00:18:54] an episode, isn't there where, where Morty goes around and visits a lot of world.

[00:18:58] They've just left.

[00:18:59] Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:00] It fixes stuff.

[00:19:01] Doesn't he?

[00:19:01] Like, yeah, there's a giant spaceship sized hole in the wall or something.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:08] Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:09] I mean, even like the, what, second episode is it in the first season?

[00:19:14] They have to like, just abandon the universe because it's just, everyone's turning into

[00:19:19] monsters.

[00:19:19] So they just have to like, leave.

[00:19:22] Yeah.

[00:19:22] That was such a like, I love how they kind of left that for a whole season as well.

[00:19:28] Pretty much.

[00:19:29] Yeah.

[00:19:29] And just like, so that happens and then you're onto the next episode.

[00:19:32] It's like, Oh, was that relevant?

[00:19:33] No.

[00:19:33] And then it's actually probably the most pivotal moment of the whole show in a way.

[00:19:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:19:38] Because it's the start of that whole like, changing universes thing they do.

[00:19:45] Yeah.

[00:19:46] Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:47] It's just, it's very much in that, that vein, isn't it?

[00:19:51] Of, of yeah, just trying to understand the point of the characters.

[00:19:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:20:23] Mm-hmm.

[00:20:26] There's only one swapped out on this, this image you'll see now.

[00:20:28] Oh yeah.

[00:20:29] Oh yeah.

[00:20:29] So weird.

[00:20:30] But I have no idea who the other characters.

[00:20:32] But yeah.

[00:20:32] Yeah.

[00:20:33] You said Walter White, Travis Barker.

[00:20:35] Um, is it?

[00:20:36] No.

[00:20:36] Yeah.

[00:20:37] Travis from, um, what's his name?

[00:20:41] Which one?

[00:20:42] From, uh, Taxi Driver.

[00:20:43] I've not seen that.

[00:20:44] Is that with De Niro in it?

[00:20:46] De Niro, yeah.

[00:20:46] I'll, I'll, I'll enter a Correction Corner in here.

[00:20:49] Wait!

[00:20:50] Stop the podcast!

[00:20:52] The host is wrong!

[00:20:56] Hello, and welcome to Correction Corner, the segment of the podcast where I, Future Harley,

[00:21:01] intervene on behalf of past Harley when he's made a grievous mistake, or has just generally

[00:21:06] got something so wrong that I just couldn't stand it when I was editing the episode.

[00:21:10] Apologies for the interruption.

[00:21:11] Just to clarify, when it came to the image they were showing on the group chat, the following

[00:21:16] characters were in full display alongside Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty.

[00:21:21] You had Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver, Tyler Durden from Fight Club, Don Draper from

[00:21:26] Mad Men, Joe Montana from Scarface, Alex from A Clockwork Orange, Patrick Bateman from American

[00:21:33] Psycho, Rorschach from The Watchmen, Jordan Belfort from The Wolf of Wall Street, The Joker,

[00:21:39] and of course Walter White from Breaking Bad.

[00:21:41] I'll probably upload this in the socials, so keep an eye out for it.

[00:21:45] Anyway, back to the episode.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:48] Yeah.

[00:21:49] Um, yeah, and if, uh, you've got, I mean, relevant to a recent cinema release, The Joker,

[00:21:55] Whacking Phoenix's Joker.

[00:21:57] Yeah.

[00:21:57] Yeah.

[00:21:57] Another one.

[00:21:58] Um, you know, Clockwork Orange, Mad Men, but basically guys, all of the worst people.

[00:22:04] I'll put this in stories on my Instagram feed for when this episode comes out.

[00:22:07] But again, it fits, he fits in that realm of character.

[00:22:12] Hell yeah.

[00:22:12] Where it's like when you watch any of those films or shows, it's like, yeah, the point is

[00:22:16] you're not supposed to idolize this character.

[00:22:18] Like, yeah, they suck.

[00:22:19] Yeah.

[00:22:20] Yeah.

[00:22:20] It's an interesting, like, Walter White's such a good one, because I love Breaking Bad as

[00:22:24] well.

[00:22:25] Same here.

[00:22:25] Jack and Jimmy too, don't you?

[00:22:26] Breaking Bad.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:28] Yeah.

[00:22:28] Yeah.

[00:22:28] It's had its episode, yeah.

[00:22:30] Definitely.

[00:22:31] But like, you start that again, I, to be honest, I, it was only the first time I watched

[00:22:37] it.

[00:22:37] I've re-watched that so many times over the years now, but the first time I liked Walter

[00:22:41] the whole way through.

[00:22:43] Even after he died, I know I thought, like, first time I watched it, I was a lot younger

[00:22:46] so I was like, oh, Skylar's just, just ruining it.

[00:22:49] It's sort of thing that actually watching it.

[00:22:50] It's a common thing.

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:52] And then you watch it again and like, I love that show because every single time I get

[00:22:56] something new out of it, but yeah, Walter is a terrible person.

[00:23:01] But it's, but it is the same kind of thing.

[00:23:03] Yeah.

[00:23:03] It's the same mentality of like, but they are the smartest person and they get results

[00:23:08] and they do, it's like, yeah, but they suck.

[00:23:09] Yeah.

[00:23:10] They don't care about anybody else.

[00:23:12] And, you know, and like you said, this show similar to Breaking Bad, similar to other

[00:23:15] shows, similar to Mad Men, like it makes a point of pausing and then exploring the

[00:23:20] consequences of their actions on other people.

[00:23:22] And in Rick and Morty's case, like on other universes, quite literally.

[00:23:27] And you're just like, oh no, oh no.

[00:23:30] It's all terribly wrong.

[00:23:32] Yeah, exactly.

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] And I guess like the great counterpoint to that is, is Morty in his sort of like, like

[00:23:41] you said, bumbling sidekick arc.

[00:23:44] And then to the point where he's getting just older and he ends up just distancing himself

[00:23:47] from him.

[00:23:47] And then you have that sort of overarching evil Morty kind of villain that sort of props

[00:23:56] up and how that is just, that is like the end result of years of Rick's abuse.

[00:24:03] Yeah.

[00:24:03] As somebody that like, that is a bit sociopathic and doesn't care about people.

[00:24:07] It's like, well, that, that's what you could.

[00:24:08] And you have in fact now created as a result.

[00:24:12] It's like, what happens if you push this guy too far that you'd make someone snap and they

[00:24:16] just become the, you know, the worst version of themselves.

[00:24:20] You've just opened my mind a little bit.

[00:24:22] Cause I just thought it was that way.

[00:24:24] I know you're right.

[00:24:25] It's a, yeah, it's a result, isn't it?

[00:24:26] That's, that's Rick's influence.

[00:24:28] Well, there's a, I don't know if you've heard the, if you've heard the fan theory of that.

[00:24:31] So, you know, in the opening credits, right.

[00:24:33] It is so the opening credits, there's that obviously a series of like adventures that

[00:24:37] most of which we don't really see.

[00:24:39] Yeah.

[00:24:39] And the very first one is like Rick just like sliding into a portal.

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:43] And then Morty's just left there and there's like a couple of monsters coming after him.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:46] The fan theory is that like the evil Morty is that one.

[00:24:49] Oh my goodness.

[00:24:50] And that like, he survived that planet.

[00:24:53] And it's just like, right.

[00:24:55] I'm going after this guy.

[00:24:56] I'm just gonna burn it all to the ground.

[00:24:58] Yeah.

[00:24:58] Yeah.

[00:24:59] Which if that's true, I think that's brilliant, but I don't know if they've confirmed it yet.

[00:25:02] No.

[00:25:04] I kind of hope they don't.

[00:25:05] Yeah.

[00:25:06] Yeah.

[00:25:07] You got to leave these kinds of things a bit open, haven't you really?

[00:25:09] You've got to have a bit of mystery to it, you know.

[00:25:11] Oh yeah.

[00:25:12] That's very well said.

[00:25:13] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:25:14] There's such a thing as over explaining.

[00:25:16] Yeah.

[00:25:17] Definitely.

[00:25:18] Definitely.

[00:25:19] Yeah.

[00:25:19] I just like that it has fun with that.

[00:25:21] And even the Morty that we follow has the arc and he gets more and more confident,

[00:25:28] more dependent.

[00:25:29] I mean, again, we're, this is what's going to happen guys.

[00:25:32] This is what happens on all these TV show episodes.

[00:25:34] I do.

[00:25:34] We just end up talking about best bits and episodes.

[00:25:37] So strap in.

[00:25:38] Um, there's that one where it's like the, the galactic, like super team.

[00:25:43] Yeah.

[00:25:44] Uh, the vindicators.

[00:25:45] The vindicators.

[00:25:46] Yeah.

[00:25:47] And there's, there's, I just remember there's even like a line as a bit in it where obviously

[00:25:51] at the end Rick gets drunk and like ruins everything and they have to like try and stop

[00:25:55] what he's created.

[00:25:56] And I think it was like a bomb.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:58] At one point.

[00:25:59] And then like Morty just defuses it.

[00:26:01] Yeah.

[00:26:01] And then Rick's like, how many times?

[00:26:03] He goes too many, too many times, which is a great line.

[00:26:08] But you're also like, oh, this poor kid.

[00:26:13] Like, you're like, oh, wow.

[00:26:14] That's yeah.

[00:26:15] That's taken a toll.

[00:26:17] That's the one with logic in it as well at the end.

[00:26:20] It is.

[00:26:21] Yeah.

[00:26:24] I mean, yeah, I just, that's another thing.

[00:26:27] There's so many good characters in this.

[00:26:29] Just having a look.

[00:26:31] What are your, some of your favorite episodes?

[00:26:32] You've name dropped quite a few.

[00:26:36] I've given too many, I think.

[00:26:37] What do you have a favorite episode Jack?

[00:26:41] Hmm.

[00:26:41] Total Rickle is a client.

[00:26:43] I like.

[00:26:44] Great one.

[00:26:46] Um, it's the one where they're what they call that like the space slugs things.

[00:26:52] Yeah.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:53] Parasites.

[00:26:54] Yeah.

[00:26:54] And then you feel like, like when you've got good memories of you kind of thing.

[00:26:57] And that's how you know, they're like the parasites.

[00:27:00] Um, or pickle Rick probably.

[00:27:02] Pickle Rick's quite good, isn't it?

[00:27:03] Classic.

[00:27:04] That's probably like the standard answer.

[00:27:06] I reckon it.

[00:27:07] I reckon if you asked a hundred people.

[00:27:08] Yeah.

[00:27:09] I reckon pickle Rick would be like, I bet that would be like.

[00:27:11] What do you think that is?

[00:27:12] I'm curious.

[00:27:13] I think purely just him going, I'm pickle Rick.

[00:27:17] And just like that became a meme.

[00:27:19] Yeah.

[00:27:19] And people started going into McDonald's and jumping on the counters and going, where's

[00:27:23] my first one sauce on pickle Rick?

[00:27:25] Yeah.

[00:27:26] I think that was it.

[00:27:27] The meme ability.

[00:27:28] Oh wow.

[00:27:28] That's true.

[00:27:29] Mean ability.

[00:27:30] Okay.

[00:27:31] Okay.

[00:27:33] Oh, but that's, that's also the one when I introduced therapist as well.

[00:27:36] Yeah.

[00:27:37] Probably my favorite character actually.

[00:27:39] I bet she's.

[00:27:40] Yeah.

[00:27:40] Um, yeah.

[00:27:42] And yeah, and that's it.

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:43] She just completely, um, deconstructs Rick.

[00:27:47] Yeah.

[00:27:47] Yeah.

[00:27:49] So it could be any of those things I suppose.

[00:27:51] Yeah.

[00:27:52] Hmm.

[00:27:54] Yeah.

[00:27:54] It's funny.

[00:27:55] I always, I always read that episode as being a very sort of, yeah, like you say, introspective

[00:28:00] look at his character and kind of him not dealing with his, his alcoholism and his emotional,

[00:28:07] emotional sort of, I don't know what the word is, I suppose.

[00:28:10] Just, yeah.

[00:28:11] Lack of emotional intimacy in his life and things like that.

[00:28:13] Like you said, just ripping him to shreds.

[00:28:15] Hmm.

[00:28:16] But in a way that's very constructive, not in a mean way.

[00:28:18] Like I've always loved the line in that episode where yeah, the therapist says something along

[00:28:22] the lines of, um, you know, therapy isn't.

[00:28:25] Oh, it's maintenance.

[00:28:26] It's maintenance.

[00:28:27] Yeah.

[00:28:27] It's like brushing your teeth.

[00:28:29] It's like, you know, it's not exciting.

[00:28:31] It's just work.

[00:28:32] And you're like, oh damn.

[00:28:34] And to have that dropped in an episode where he's running around, you know, fighting ninjas

[00:28:39] and stuff as a pickle.

[00:28:42] It's yeah.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:44] Probably a perfect summary of what the show is, right?

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:47] A complete juxtaposition of like, yeah, it's absolute nonsense at one scale, but it's also

[00:28:52] very deep and interesting on another.

[00:28:54] They have this whole like tangent thing of like the myth of the pickle man or something

[00:28:59] that's Selenia.

[00:29:00] Yeah.

[00:29:00] I love that.

[00:29:02] He's here, Selenia.

[00:29:05] That's what that's made up.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:08] Yeah.

[00:29:08] Oh, definitely.

[00:29:09] Definitely.

[00:29:12] And yeah.

[00:29:13] So, so much of that just absolutely ridiculous.

[00:29:17] But again, like if you're going to make a comedy sci-fi show, don't be afraid to push the boundaries,

[00:29:22] right?

[00:29:22] Like play with those tropes, play with those concepts.

[00:29:25] Turn a character into a piece of food.

[00:29:28] Why not?

[00:29:28] Yeah.

[00:29:28] Like have them run around and.

[00:29:30] I think, I think that was what like, that's what got me hooked was just like, these guys

[00:29:35] are going to do anything and it's going to be stuff I've not seen.

[00:29:38] Right.

[00:29:38] Like.

[00:29:38] Yeah.

[00:29:39] Yeah.

[00:29:39] That was so clear just from the first time I saw it personally.

[00:29:43] Um, and yeah, they continue to do so.

[00:29:46] I know they like Justin's obviously not part of it at the moment or maybe he is, I don't

[00:29:50] know, but like he's not voicing it anymore.

[00:29:52] And there was such a, I think that was a big fear for, I remember like when, when it

[00:29:57] came out that he's an abuser, like, you know, it's like, God, you've just ruined it

[00:30:01] all, haven't you?

[00:30:02] Like, it's awful.

[00:30:04] Um, um, but then also like, you know, they've signed this 10 season deal and they were six

[00:30:10] seasons in.

[00:30:11] So, so what are you going to do?

[00:30:12] There's still everyone else on the crew that you are the heart of it.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:16] And they've done really well, I think, to just carry that forward without them.

[00:30:20] Um, yeah, it's a testament really to the concept.

[00:30:24] I mean, when you think about it, it really just boils down to, it's just the core concept

[00:30:29] is that they're taking the mick out of back to the future, aren't they?

[00:30:33] Like with, um, yeah, Doc and Marty, you know?

[00:30:37] Yeah.

[00:30:37] And they just got on with that.

[00:30:39] Like, yeah.

[00:30:40] Yeah.

[00:30:41] Hmm.

[00:30:43] Yeah.

[00:30:44] And I suppose like with, with in terms of, yeah, again, not to write too much, but the,

[00:30:48] yeah, the controversy of it all and stuff, it reminded, it reminds me of a conversation

[00:30:53] I had with, um, Sean Smith a while back when we were talking about lost profits and how

[00:30:58] like in, in any sort of creative thing, right?

[00:31:01] Like where there's a group of you and a TV show is a perfect example.

[00:31:04] Yeah.

[00:31:04] Like you said, there's so many other people involved.

[00:31:06] Yeah.

[00:31:07] If one person does something bad or stupid or like, you know, goes to ruin it for everybody

[00:31:12] else, it doesn't have to.

[00:31:15] That's the thing.

[00:31:15] And that's why I was kind of curious about when all that stuff came out and again, whatever's

[00:31:20] going on with that, don't care.

[00:31:22] That's someone else's business.

[00:31:23] But just to kind of be like, well, they could have stopped, you know, like you said, they

[00:31:28] hadn't had the contract.

[00:31:29] Sure.

[00:31:29] But no one involved with this, I think is like hard up for cash.

[00:31:33] You know, like a lot of the writers involved, a lot of the cast, they're all very successful

[00:31:38] as we've established.

[00:31:39] Some of them are just in everything.

[00:31:40] So they're fine.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:41] So the fact they want to keep doing it, like you said, I find that quite comforting.

[00:31:46] You thought, okay, there's obviously something still there that they obviously still enjoy

[00:31:50] doing it.

[00:31:51] So yeah, more power to them if they can just move past that and just keep doing it.

[00:31:56] Yeah.

[00:31:56] That's a really good point to be fair.

[00:31:57] They could have just stopped.

[00:32:00] Well, so many people do because you can get a bit of a mob mentality, can't you online

[00:32:04] and people sort of put you all in the same box and kind of go, oh, you all knew and it

[00:32:08] was all this and that.

[00:32:09] And you go, well, hang on a second.

[00:32:11] Yeah.

[00:32:12] You know, one person doesn't reflect everybody else, you know?

[00:32:15] Yeah.

[00:32:16] It's such a difficult one with Justin's case.

[00:32:20] I don't know enough about it to like, I mean, to be honest, my thing's always like belief,

[00:32:26] belief of victim, to be honest.

[00:32:27] I think it's rare that someone actually does make stuff up like that.

[00:32:32] And it wouldn't, again, I don't know enough about it, but it's just one of those things

[00:32:38] where it's like, I don't not believe that story, sadly.

[00:32:42] Okay.

[00:32:43] Um, but, um, yeah, it is great that it's been able to carry on because I know it means a

[00:32:51] lot to people as well as the show.

[00:32:53] I think like, it's quite, it's just quite on the nose really.

[00:32:58] And like, I mean, there's some controversial episodes as well.

[00:33:01] I remember they did the one where they, um, I don't know if like, I want to take this out

[00:33:05] of the podcast, but like the, um, but they mimic the, like the twin towers and then they

[00:33:10] think about crashing a ship into it and then they don't.

[00:33:13] And then they instead do a Pearl Harbor kind of thing.

[00:33:16] Yeah.

[00:33:16] Yeah.

[00:33:17] Yeah.

[00:33:17] I think to like to Brits, that's a bit more like satire, but like to Americans, I know that

[00:33:22] didn't go down well.

[00:33:23] Um, yeah, yeah.

[00:33:26] Um, but I dunno, I think it's important to have TV and art that's just prodding a little

[00:33:33] bit, you know, in places.

[00:33:35] This is important because yeah.

[00:33:37] Interesting.

[00:33:37] I dunno, starts conversations really.

[00:33:39] It doesn't.

[00:33:40] No, I think, I think you're right.

[00:33:41] I think, I think anything that's great really always has to, has to push the boundaries

[00:33:47] a little bit.

[00:33:47] Cause if it's safe, it's not, I mean, everything becomes mundane, isn't it?

[00:33:51] If everything does the same old safe thing over and over and over again, where does your

[00:33:56] originality or creativity come from?

[00:33:58] I mean, you've got to try different things that some people are going to be like, well,

[00:34:02] maybe that wasn't so funny or maybe that's a bit in bad taste, but you know, how else

[00:34:07] she can progress with things.

[00:34:09] How else you're going to come up with more, you know, creativity is pushing boundaries,

[00:34:13] isn't it?

[00:34:13] Whether it's talking about storylines, characters, you know, references that people maybe don't

[00:34:19] want to talk about or do, you know, tragedy plus time and everything, you know, it's

[00:34:24] it, you know, you've got to do something, I think, you know, I mean, not to say that

[00:34:29] people don't go, go too far sometimes.

[00:34:32] Yeah.

[00:34:32] Sometimes you can.

[00:34:33] With some art.

[00:34:35] Yeah.

[00:34:36] Definitely.

[00:34:37] Licenses it to say and do what you want.

[00:34:39] But I think something like Rick and Morty definitely does quite a good job of bringing

[00:34:43] like different kind of topics and references in.

[00:34:46] Yeah.

[00:34:47] In a fairly kind of not massively overtly insensitive way.

[00:34:53] Yeah, it's true.

[00:34:54] Yeah.

[00:34:55] I mean, there are some lines in there that just absolutely every now and then

[00:34:59] I'll be completely caught off guard expecting it, you know?

[00:35:03] Yeah.

[00:35:03] But and again, I can think of a lot of shows that do that.

[00:35:06] And like you said, in terms of that, I don't know, comedy is such an interesting one.

[00:35:11] Right.

[00:35:11] I don't know about you guys.

[00:35:12] I always feel like it's very, very personal.

[00:35:16] I would say.

[00:35:17] Yeah.

[00:35:18] What you what you are find funny versus what I might find funny and the next person and

[00:35:22] so on.

[00:35:23] It does.

[00:35:24] It is quite different.

[00:35:25] Right.

[00:35:26] And so there may be something that someone says, like I might laugh at something that you

[00:35:30] might go, oh, don't know about that.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:32] Vice versa.

[00:35:33] Yeah.

[00:35:33] But I suppose the thing is, it's like, how do you handle it?

[00:35:35] I don't know about you.

[00:35:36] My personal view has always been to be like, like if I'm watching a show like that and it

[00:35:40] makes a joke that I'm like, I don't know about that.

[00:35:44] I'm just kind of going to let it slide.

[00:35:46] And if it keeps happening, then I'll be, ah, do you know what?

[00:35:49] This isn't on my wavelength and I'll just move on with my life.

[00:35:52] Yeah.

[00:35:53] I think like I've never personally been someone to like it because a lot of people might

[00:35:58] then take that opinion on like they don't like something to take that opinion online.

[00:36:01] That's not something I do personally, but I understand why people do because that's what

[00:36:06] social media is there for in a lot of ways is to share your opinions.

[00:36:11] But yeah, I think like context is always so important.

[00:36:15] And like you say, it's like if you're very true, if you're like a repeat offender as a

[00:36:18] show, then it's kind of like, well, I've got a bit of an inkling.

[00:36:22] It's like, um, uh, this is, it's a terrible example to give.

[00:36:28] Um, so I'm going to give it anyway.

[00:36:31] Like in Harry Potter, there's lots of references to specific groups of people, um, that you

[00:36:37] can't shy away from.

[00:36:40] Um, okay.

[00:36:41] And like at the time, I think it was taken, um, I won't go into too much detail, but like

[00:36:46] at the time it was just kind of taken like as like, I don't know, almost like the humor

[00:36:50] of the noughties was like an influencing factor where people just let that happen.

[00:36:54] Yeah.

[00:36:54] Then you look back now, at least I did cause I was, you know, I was a teen child when that

[00:36:58] came out and then you see it now.

[00:36:59] You're like, Oh, that's very on the nose actually.

[00:37:02] Like you, that was a deliberate move.

[00:37:03] And actually I don't, don't respect that at all.

[00:37:06] In fact, I think that's wrong.

[00:37:07] Um, um, but yeah, I dunno, in TV, I guess I haven't, I haven't really had seen a show

[00:37:15] where I've been like, Oh no, I mean, well, I mean, there's obviously like, there's some

[00:37:20] shows from the past that weren't like definitely.

[00:37:23] Yeah.

[00:37:23] Yeah.

[00:37:24] Um, yeah.

[00:37:25] And time changes that as the thing as well.

[00:37:27] Yeah.

[00:37:28] You sort of look back and you go, Oh, interesting.

[00:37:31] That's what we found funny back then.

[00:37:33] Yeah.

[00:37:33] Okay.

[00:37:34] Yeah.

[00:37:34] And that's, but then there's no need, I also think there's no need to get on a

[00:37:37] soapbox about that.

[00:37:38] You know what I mean?

[00:37:38] It's like, yeah, they're kind of, you'd be shouting about it and going, Oh, things are different

[00:37:43] now.

[00:37:43] It's like, yes.

[00:37:44] Yes.

[00:37:45] That's the thing when it's, when it's done, like there's not really much you can do.

[00:37:49] Like with like history, it depends.

[00:37:52] Like if something is looked upon fondly and purely fondly by the greater public, like,

[00:37:57] yeah, I think I do think it's important to highlight, like, yeah, okay.

[00:38:01] You can enjoy it.

[00:38:01] But there was this stuff, like, you know, little brilliant for example, is a really good example

[00:38:06] of that.

[00:38:07] That comes up a lot.

[00:38:08] Yeah.

[00:38:09] You know, it was, it was so funny at the time and accepted them and you watch it back now.

[00:38:13] And like, I remember like seeing it on as again, like really young and like watching

[00:38:17] it now.

[00:38:18] It's just like, Oh dear.

[00:38:20] Like this is my English person's perspective of like what's okay.

[00:38:26] Yeah.

[00:38:27] Yeah.

[00:38:28] Yeah.

[00:38:28] Um, so like, yes, sometimes I think it's good to like, to ref like to kind of go back and

[00:38:34] say like, it's yeah, it depends if like what the, again, it's context, isn't it?

[00:38:39] You know?

[00:38:40] Um, I think like a couple of years ago, uh, it's a real tangent, but like people were

[00:38:45] celebrating like John Wayne.

[00:38:47] Um, the, he was like a star from like the sixties, seventies.

[00:38:52] That's right.

[00:38:53] Yes.

[00:38:54] Like cowboy films.

[00:38:55] I think I've not seen him, but I know that he was like quite publicly a racist.

[00:39:00] Um, and it's like, yes.

[00:39:02] Okay.

[00:39:02] He was a good actor, but also that was terrible.

[00:39:05] Um, like he was a terrible person.

[00:39:07] So it's kind of important to, to mention that, but then, you know, it's like, well,

[00:39:12] that was the time then.

[00:39:13] And, um, you do have to accept that.

[00:39:16] It's like, you can't change that.

[00:39:17] That was what was okay back then.

[00:39:19] But it's like, do we celebrate it now?

[00:39:21] Yeah.

[00:39:21] I dunno.

[00:39:22] It's a, it's a difficult one really.

[00:39:24] Um, what do you reckon Jack?

[00:39:27] Yeah.

[00:39:27] I mean, so you, you've got to look at the things of the lens of the time, haven't you?

[00:39:31] I mean, the example that always brings to my mind with this kind of thing is friends.

[00:39:34] Yeah.

[00:39:35] Yeah.

[00:39:35] That's true.

[00:39:36] So many people love friends, like, and we watch it like, you know, over and over again.

[00:39:40] I mean, it's not, you know, I'm sure there's probably five chapters in the world.

[00:39:43] I mean, there's a lot of panels on TV right now that are just playing friends on repeat,

[00:39:46] you know?

[00:39:46] Yeah.

[00:39:46] Oh, for sure.

[00:39:47] Yeah.

[00:39:48] But you watch some of the, some of the jokes and the humor in that is so problematic now.

[00:39:54] Yeah.

[00:39:54] You know, and that's something, okay.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:56] Okay.

[00:39:56] It finished in whatever 2000 or whenever, whenever friends finished kind of filming.

[00:40:01] Yep.

[00:40:01] So long time, you know, quite a while ago now.

[00:40:05] Um, and you know, you've got, you've got, I think you've got to look back at these things

[00:40:08] and you, with the context of the time and what was happening and the environment they were

[00:40:12] made in and kind of the intent intention behind them and the humor used for those kinds of

[00:40:18] reasons.

[00:40:18] But you have a lot of these things that are still so popular now that it does, it does pose

[00:40:24] an interesting question of like, yeah.

[00:40:26] Okay.

[00:40:26] When it was made, you can see why these decisions were made, but for it to be still so, uh,

[00:40:33] you know, accessible everywhere, always on TV, always there.

[00:40:38] Mm.

[00:40:38] Like now and those episodes that still do have some problematic jokes about, you know, gay

[00:40:45] people and things like that.

[00:40:46] Yeah.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] You know, do you think that's, that's an interesting question about, you know, whether those kinds

[00:40:51] of things do kind of cross a line, not in terms of when it was originally done, but the

[00:40:56] fact that it's still being shown now.

[00:40:59] Yeah.

[00:40:59] Yeah.

[00:41:00] There's not, there's a lot of interesting conversations that people have about that to this day.

[00:41:04] And I do kind of wonder what will happen, let's say 20 years from now.

[00:41:08] Yeah.

[00:41:08] Even a show like this, you're like, well, we look back and think differently.

[00:41:11] Probably there might be one or two things that you kind of go, actually, you know, and

[00:41:15] that's progress.

[00:41:16] But like you say that the, the repeating of it today, I do find that interesting.

[00:41:20] Yeah.

[00:41:21] Still when you kind of like, definitely.

[00:41:22] I mean, I suppose at the same time, right, we're talking about art and creativity and

[00:41:26] it's like, how much do you censor?

[00:41:27] How much do you go back and just try and pretend that it doesn't exist?

[00:41:30] Mm.

[00:41:31] Or do you try and use it and just accept it for what it was?

[00:41:34] And if you see it now, you can kind of be like, oh, isn't that interesting?

[00:41:38] Yeah.

[00:41:39] That used to be more of like, that was the punchline, but you know, I mean, with a show

[00:41:44] like the one we're talking about today, I do think I can, I kind of hope that it's introspective

[00:41:49] enough that there's not really enough there.

[00:41:51] And also another big thing, right?

[00:41:53] Is intent.

[00:41:54] Yes.

[00:41:55] When it comes to comedy.

[00:41:55] Like what's the intent?

[00:41:56] Like you mentioned earlier, like doing the sort of 9-11 gag in a cartoon form.

[00:42:02] It's like, what's the intent?

[00:42:03] It's not to make people who, you know, suffered in that horrible, horrible thing.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Feel bad about themselves or it's not making fun of the event itself.

[00:42:14] Yeah.

[00:42:15] It's, it's basically giving you extremes and it's playing with that.

[00:42:19] Right.

[00:42:20] Yeah.

[00:42:21] It's kind of giving you that shock factor, which is something that is quite common in

[00:42:25] comedy.

[00:42:26] I think wherever you go.

[00:42:27] Yeah.

[00:42:28] I think with that joke in particular as well, it was almost like fourth wall breaking where

[00:42:33] they were making a joke about making the joke and then maybe a different joke.

[00:42:38] Exactly.

[00:42:38] It's like, because this one, like, oh, Pearl Harbor was longer ago, so it's okay.

[00:42:42] It's like a gay sort of thing.

[00:42:43] Exactly.

[00:42:43] Yeah.

[00:42:44] It's very meta.

[00:42:46] Yeah.

[00:42:46] Like, yeah, exactly.

[00:42:48] Yeah.

[00:42:49] So like, yeah, I think it can be done well.

[00:42:53] I personally think that joke was done well.

[00:42:55] Like, you know, it's a risky, it's a risky thing to go for.

[00:42:59] Oh yeah.

[00:42:59] I personally wouldn't.

[00:43:02] But I think like, in a way, fair play for trying it.

[00:43:08] Like, I don't know.

[00:43:10] I mean, people have a fair, like, I think people are completely fair to disagree with

[00:43:15] that though and say like, no, some things just shouldn't be joked about.

[00:43:21] And as an audience, I mean, you're never going to know who your audience is.

[00:43:25] But with something like that joke in particular, where it was a global audience that witnessed

[00:43:30] what happened on 9-11.

[00:43:32] It's like, that's not just affecting Americans.

[00:43:34] That was distressing for a lot of people, you know, like, I don't know about you guys,

[00:43:38] but I remember it being in school when that happened and I have like, like small memories

[00:43:43] of seeing it on TV and like, obviously too young to understand for me, but like for a

[00:43:48] lot of people that would have been really awful to see.

[00:43:52] The fact that it was televised, so I don't know, like, yeah, they really, it was just such

[00:43:58] a shock, wasn't it?

[00:43:59] To the whole world.

[00:44:00] Yeah, exactly.

[00:44:02] And it's like the people making the show will obviously be aware of that.

[00:44:05] Yeah.

[00:44:05] That's the key thing, isn't it?

[00:44:07] Yeah.

[00:44:07] It's not cheapening that, which, yeah, I don't know.

[00:44:11] It's just one of those things thinking about comedy.

[00:44:13] Like actually I'm flashing back to an episode I did ages ago on stand up.

[00:44:17] And we talked about that, about how like, obviously there's a whole branch of comedians,

[00:44:21] right?

[00:44:22] That write stuff that you kind of go, it's edgy.

[00:44:23] It's this.

[00:44:24] Yeah.

[00:44:25] And I kind of joke sort of defense for this sort of humor that I remember seeing as a clip

[00:44:31] out that people can find it.

[00:44:32] I might even try and put it in here if I can find it from, I think it was Joan Rivers.

[00:44:37] You know, it was quite famous for doing sort of edgy jokes.

[00:44:41] And she's kind of dealing with a heckler and she's making a point to the heckler that like,

[00:44:45] look, I don't believe this stuff.

[00:44:47] This is like, I'm doing it because it's how you cope.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:52] Like, you know, and she lists off some examples from her own personal life of like very difficult,

[00:44:58] traumatizing things to deal with.

[00:44:59] And she's like, I'm going to make jokes about them because that's what I do.

[00:45:02] And that's what helps me kind of get through it.

[00:45:05] And it's what helps us all get through it.

[00:45:06] So when people make jokes about things like that, or like you said, or make a joke about

[00:45:10] making a joke, it's like, it's what comedy is.

[00:45:13] It's catharsis.

[00:45:14] Yeah.

[00:45:15] Sort of letting go of that stuff and not taking it all too seriously.

[00:45:18] And, you know, and again, I feel like they have a lot of fun playing with that in so

[00:45:23] many ways, not just with stuff like that, like famous examples, but even with the characters,

[00:45:29] right.

[00:45:29] And even with like the interpersonal relationships, they have a lot of fun dissecting it.

[00:45:33] Yeah.

[00:45:34] And not taking any of it way too seriously.

[00:45:37] Yeah.

[00:45:37] Which I quite like.

[00:45:38] Yeah.

[00:45:40] No, I agree.

[00:45:44] Yeah.

[00:45:44] The, um, I feel like, sorry, when you said it again, like making a joke about a joke,

[00:45:50] I feel like that, that should always be accepted.

[00:45:53] I'm struggling to think of a circumstance where it wouldn't be like to make a joke about

[00:45:58] making a bad joke, you know, a joke that wouldn't be accepted.

[00:46:01] That has become humor in itself.

[00:46:03] Like, yeah, like that's definitely not a new thing since like, I don't know, like social

[00:46:09] media, but like, it's definitely become more like, like mean culture and stuff, you know?

[00:46:13] Like, yeah, there is something there isn't there?

[00:46:18] I don't know about you guys, but I sometimes get that of a, of a joke that just makes you

[00:46:21] go, Ooh, you know, and like catches you off guard.

[00:46:24] Yeah.

[00:46:25] But.

[00:46:25] Suck it for those.

[00:46:26] I can't lie.

[00:46:28] Same.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:29] And this, this, this show is packed full of them.

[00:46:32] Yeah.

[00:46:33] It really does.

[00:46:34] One that stands out rent free in my head.

[00:46:36] It's just a drop line, but it's like, I think it's the, I'm trying to remember the

[00:46:41] context of the episode.

[00:46:42] So I think it's the one where it starts off where Rick has this whole scheme about

[00:46:47] jumping into a vat of acid.

[00:46:49] Yeah.

[00:46:50] And like releasing bones, like to just to play a scam on someone.

[00:46:53] Yeah.

[00:46:54] And then more he's like, I'm not doing this at least to a whole thing of them just getting

[00:46:58] frustrated with each other.

[00:46:59] Hmm.

[00:47:00] And I think that was it.

[00:47:02] So he, more to gets the do over button.

[00:47:04] Yeah.

[00:47:04] Which is a great concept in itself.

[00:47:06] Let's go back to what you're saying earlier.

[00:47:08] Like it's them playing with that sci-fi thing of like this sort of something you

[00:47:12] might see in like a novel or a film, but it has severe consequences.

[00:47:16] And the consequences every single time he resets it, like supposedly kills another

[00:47:20] Morty in another universe, which is such a dark rug pull.

[00:47:24] Yeah.

[00:47:24] But it's just, but, and that has, they're having the conversation.

[00:47:27] It's just one line where they're having a back and forth.

[00:47:29] I think Morty just says like, I was just having fun.

[00:47:32] And then Rick goes, yeah, so was Jeffrey Dahmer.

[00:47:34] And then just moves on.

[00:47:35] And you're like, okay.

[00:47:38] And I spat my drink out.

[00:47:40] Genuinely.

[00:47:41] I was just like, I did not see that coming.

[00:47:43] But again, it was like, just, I look at that and I'm kind of like, interesting.

[00:47:48] Okay.

[00:47:48] I don't think I make a joke like that, you know, but I can see where they're getting

[00:47:53] out and it weirdly is relevant as well to the context of like what just happened in the

[00:47:59] show.

[00:48:00] Yeah.

[00:48:01] It sort of actually matches up as well.

[00:48:02] So you're like, it's clever.

[00:48:03] It's very clever.

[00:48:04] It's horrendous, but it's clever.

[00:48:06] Yeah.

[00:48:06] I love that episode as well.

[00:48:08] Just like all of it circles back to just like Rick making Morty do the bat of acid thing.

[00:48:13] It's just like so petty.

[00:48:15] I love it.

[00:48:15] It's just like, you know, there's a way out of this.

[00:48:19] Yeah.

[00:48:20] I like the bit at the end of that episode, you know, cause that there's a soldier, isn't

[00:48:23] it?

[00:48:23] Yeah.

[00:48:24] Who like thinks he's acid proof.

[00:48:27] Oh God.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:29] And it goes on like, like a talk show, doesn't it?

[00:48:32] Or whatever.

[00:48:32] Yeah.

[00:48:33] Lower me into the acid.

[00:48:35] Yeah.

[00:48:36] Yeah.

[00:48:39] Oh, great.

[00:48:40] It's that juxtaposition, isn't it?

[00:48:42] Of like, yeah.

[00:48:43] One minute having a really dark, horrendous joke.

[00:48:46] And then the next minute something just completely stupid.

[00:48:48] Yeah.

[00:48:49] Just harmless.

[00:48:51] And like, what is this?

[00:48:54] Right.

[00:48:55] But I get the impression that it does lean into what you said earlier about it being

[00:48:59] very like improvisational in nature.

[00:49:02] Mm hmm.

[00:49:02] Like so much of the writing, so much of the story, I just feel like they were just animating

[00:49:06] around whatever they were coming up with on the day.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:10] I feel like they're very like, they try to keep it quite topically relevant as well.

[00:49:14] Yeah.

[00:49:15] Like, yeah, they keep up with trends pretty well.

[00:49:18] Mm hmm.

[00:49:19] I think it's pretty good how they do that.

[00:49:24] I was just thinking though, one, like they, they take it really hard in places as well.

[00:49:29] Like I just watched the episode the other night where like Rick finds the, like the most evil

[00:49:35] Rick that killed his wife.

[00:49:38] Mm hmm.

[00:49:38] And he like, he basically like beats himself to death.

[00:49:42] Essentially.

[00:49:43] And that's it.

[00:49:44] Like, and they really don't shy away in that scene.

[00:49:46] It's very graphic.

[00:49:47] Mm hmm.

[00:49:49] Like, I dunno, almost like, like Ari Aster horror film level, like of detail and then

[00:49:57] yeah, it's really brutal.

[00:49:58] Um, but it's also like a, I dunno, it's quite a, like, what's the word?

[00:50:05] It like, I can't think of the word.

[00:50:08] Everything kind of comes to a point there.

[00:50:10] Like, cause that was Rick's whole purpose was to find this guy.

[00:50:14] Yeah.

[00:50:15] And then they have this really like explosive Tarantino death scene and then, and then it

[00:50:21] was all for nothing almost like that's the point.

[00:50:24] Yeah.

[00:50:24] It's like all about how do you, uh, yeah.

[00:50:26] Cause even more to see, so how do you feel the same?

[00:50:29] Yeah.

[00:50:30] That's how it goes.

[00:50:31] Sort of thing.

[00:50:32] Like, yeah.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] That was your whole purpose and you've done it.

[00:50:35] Yeah.

[00:50:36] Didn't have any purpose really.

[00:50:38] You know, I think that the show makes that point quite a lot.

[00:50:40] Um, yeah.

[00:50:41] Mm hmm.

[00:50:42] You know, I'd love to be like a fly on the wall in like the recording sessions and things

[00:50:47] when you, just, just to see like what the kind of the process is and how it does.

[00:50:53] Right.

[00:50:53] I mean like, come from that kind of like how we kind of do things creatively and like how

[00:50:59] things kind of like they started as one thing and it turns into something else and

[00:51:03] then a tangent goes off and that leads you down to something else.

[00:51:06] And then by the time you finished half the stuff you actually started with is probably

[00:51:10] cut, you know, and gone and not even there anymore.

[00:51:13] I'd be so curious to see how much of it is kind of, well, this is like laid in stone.

[00:51:18] This is definitely happening.

[00:51:20] Yeah.

[00:51:20] The spontaneity with this, and this is completely different to how it started off.

[00:51:24] And I'd love to see how that happened.

[00:51:26] I mean, I remember seeing a video of like, I think it was like two guys that do South Park

[00:51:30] doing like a voiceover session recording that and how they're just like, absolutely like,

[00:51:34] they can't contain themselves laughing and joking and things are just like completely,

[00:51:38] you know, changing and fluctuating, whatever.

[00:51:41] But that's kind of the thing I kind of see in my head a little bit with some of these,

[00:51:45] like the voice actor kind of performances and how much stuff is.

[00:51:50] I just want to know, I want to know how much of it's like so scripted, how much of it is,

[00:51:54] will you kind of do your own thing with it?

[00:51:57] How much, how much of it is that?

[00:51:58] I'd love to know.

[00:51:59] So if anyone, anyone listening can sort me out, that'd be great.

[00:52:03] Get me in there.

[00:52:05] Yeah, likewise.

[00:52:05] Yeah.

[00:52:07] It's one of those shows.

[00:52:08] I think like some other ones that I've talked about before on this, where they're

[00:52:12] kind of line between writer and actor is quite blurred in a lot of ways,

[00:52:18] considering that quite a few of the people that do one and the other sometimes end up doing both.

[00:52:23] Yeah.

[00:52:23] And I think that's quite an interesting effect.

[00:52:26] It must have on, on a, on this show, right?

[00:52:30] It feels like everybody's different creative voices are coming in, but they're coming in from different perspectives.

[00:52:35] Right?

[00:52:35] Yeah.

[00:52:36] If it's not just one person writing a concept and then going, okay, off you go.

[00:52:39] It's someone going, writing it and then having an understanding of, oh, how are we going to execute this?

[00:52:44] Yeah.

[00:52:44] Or actually with this work.

[00:52:46] Yeah.

[00:52:46] Would I be able to get the chemistry going with the other actors?

[00:52:50] Would it bounce off of them?

[00:52:52] I don't know.

[00:52:52] I'm like you.

[00:52:53] I'd be fascinated to know.

[00:52:54] Yeah.

[00:52:55] What goes into that process?

[00:52:56] And yeah, absolutely.

[00:52:57] And then what do you keep?

[00:52:58] What do you not keep?

[00:52:59] Cause I'm sure there's hours upon hours.

[00:53:01] Yeah.

[00:53:02] Unused stuff that they've got on the cutting room floor.

[00:53:04] I'd like quite like to see that.

[00:53:07] Absolutely.

[00:53:07] I mean, I know actually they farm some of that out, don't they?

[00:53:09] To like, um, other creatives on their YouTube channel, which I think is quite cool.

[00:53:13] Like they give it to other animators and people take those scenes and then like do their own animation on top of it.

[00:53:21] Which is quite an interesting thing, right?

[00:53:23] For like a show like that to support fan created scenes.

[00:53:28] Yeah.

[00:53:28] Definitely.

[00:53:28] Like some unused dialogue.

[00:53:30] You want to make a claymation version of our characters.

[00:53:33] How about it?

[00:53:33] Yeah.

[00:53:34] I can't remember they did that.

[00:53:35] Yeah.

[00:53:36] I've only ever seen a few, but like it's on YouTube and, um, yeah, it's funny.

[00:53:40] Like some, some, some franchises, some stuff seems to, uh, yeah, support that.

[00:53:46] I mean, I did an episode a couple of weeks ago on, uh, the alien franchise and I like went down a rabbit hole of all these like YouTube shorts out there of from alien.

[00:53:55] And I'm like, Oh, that's so cool.

[00:53:56] And it's the same other thing to this of brick and mortar.

[00:53:58] Like, Oh, that's cool.

[00:53:59] Like they're being generous to the fan base.

[00:54:02] And so up and coming creators and saying like, yeah, just have a go.

[00:54:05] Yeah.

[00:54:06] See if you can come up with something and they're only short, but they're quite good.

[00:54:10] And it's again, because of the nature of the show being what it is, it's like, you're not bothered by it being a completely different animation style.

[00:54:17] They just kind of like hand wave it away or just don't address it.

[00:54:21] And it's makes it even funnier.

[00:54:22] Yeah.

[00:54:23] That's awesome.

[00:54:24] No, I'm not.

[00:54:24] I need to check that out.

[00:54:26] That's I love it when chosen like created, shared art like that.

[00:54:30] I don't know.

[00:54:31] Some people get really tied up in like IP and all that.

[00:54:34] Yeah.

[00:54:36] Definitely.

[00:54:37] It's recognizing this sort of culture that you've created and it's supporting you.

[00:54:42] You know, it's lovely.

[00:54:43] Yeah.

[00:54:44] Need more of that.

[00:54:45] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:54:47] Yeah.

[00:54:49] I'm genuinely curious.

[00:54:50] Do you guys have any favorite characters in this?

[00:54:52] Because there are quite a few, not just the main, but I'm thinking like recurring characters, stuff like that,

[00:54:56] because there's all sorts of people that come in and out.

[00:54:58] Yeah.

[00:54:59] I like Mr. Goldenfarb.

[00:55:01] Right.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:03] The teacher.

[00:55:04] Yeah.

[00:55:05] Yeah.

[00:55:05] Yeah.

[00:55:07] He just turns up, doesn't he?

[00:55:09] Like, just absolutely mad things.

[00:55:15] I think it makes me laugh every time he's at it.

[00:55:18] It's funny.

[00:55:19] Yeah.

[00:55:20] Yeah.

[00:55:20] I like his exposition.

[00:55:23] He's like, I am officially cured.

[00:55:25] Thank you.

[00:55:26] Yeah.

[00:55:27] Yeah.

[00:55:29] Yeah.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:32] Yeah.

[00:55:32] Yeah.

[00:55:32] Totally agree with that.

[00:55:33] He's only in 21 episodes, would you believe?

[00:55:35] Really?

[00:55:36] Yeah.

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:37] I don't believe.

[00:55:39] I know.

[00:55:40] Just as you said that, I was like, yeah, he's great.

[00:55:42] He's always around.

[00:55:42] And then it's like, oh, actually, no.

[00:55:44] Apparently not.

[00:55:45] Apparently not.

[00:55:46] That is surprising.

[00:55:48] Yeah.

[00:55:48] Yeah.

[00:55:50] Hmm.

[00:55:50] I'd have to say, like, I love The Therapist.

[00:55:53] I love Bernard Person as well.

[00:55:55] Ah, yeah, yeah.

[00:55:59] And I like Mr. Poopy Butthole.

[00:56:03] Yeah.

[00:56:04] You might have to censor that one.

[00:56:07] No, it's fine.

[00:56:08] That's clean enough.

[00:56:10] Yeah.

[00:56:10] He gets a big comeback in season seven.

[00:56:12] Yeah.

[00:56:14] And like, I don't, he has a little plot line that's going on outside of all of it.

[00:56:19] Yeah.

[00:56:20] I don't know.

[00:56:20] It's ups and downs.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:22] It's great.

[00:56:23] But how you can, I don't know.

[00:56:25] I just love how they've taken like what was definitely just like a, what do we, what

[00:56:28] do we call this character or like, just like a, right.

[00:56:31] That's Mr. Poopy Butthole and he's here to stay.

[00:56:34] Apparently he's actually really important.

[00:56:36] And it's just a, yeah.

[00:56:37] And he was literally just a button on the end of an episode that you referenced earlier

[00:56:41] with the parasites.

[00:56:42] Yeah.

[00:56:43] And it was a zig when they thought you were going to zag kind of moment.

[00:56:46] Yeah.

[00:56:46] Like you said, totally like one and done, who cares?

[00:56:49] And then it ends up coming back in a really, really big way.

[00:56:51] Yeah.

[00:56:52] And you're just like, whoa.

[00:56:54] Okay.

[00:56:56] But again, I'm sure, I mean, you guys can relate to this being creative.

[00:56:59] It's like sometimes that's, that's when you find your best stuff, right?

[00:57:04] It's those little ideas that you came up with on a whim that you're just kind of like,

[00:57:07] yeah, this is probably nothing.

[00:57:08] And then it just marinades.

[00:57:10] And then before you know it, you're like, I keep coming back to this.

[00:57:13] I don't know why.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:14] I really like this thing.

[00:57:16] And then, oh, oh, now it's a seven minute long song.

[00:57:18] Yeah.

[00:57:18] Interesting.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Definitely.

[00:57:22] Definitely.

[00:57:24] He's definitely up though with that.

[00:57:26] I would a hundred percent agree with that.

[00:57:29] I think it may be your, sorry, what would you say your favorite characters?

[00:57:34] Good question.

[00:57:35] Yeah.

[00:57:35] I mean, I'm just having a little flick through.

[00:57:37] I mean, I am definitely a fan of, of Jerry Smith.

[00:57:45] I think he's just, I feel like he's the unsung hero of the show.

[00:57:49] And I do love that what starts as like a very one note character, which is played perfectly

[00:57:54] by Chris Parnell.

[00:57:55] Yeah.

[00:57:56] I really love where he ends up.

[00:57:58] Yeah.

[00:57:59] And, you know, and he's, he's not like a complete 180.

[00:58:02] You know what I mean?

[00:58:03] He's not like suddenly all authoritarian and confident.

[00:58:05] He's still, you know, a bit, a bit pathetic.

[00:58:08] Yeah.

[00:58:10] But he's a lot more likable and you have a lot more respect for him.

[00:58:13] And like the times where he stands up to Rick, you're like, cool.

[00:58:16] Yeah.

[00:58:17] I'm glad that I'm glad they did that for that character.

[00:58:19] I'm glad they paid that off.

[00:58:21] But I mean, in terms of like additional characters, I'm just having a flick through.

[00:58:24] I mean, you've got like Squanchy and Abradolph Linkler.

[00:58:28] It was like a ridiculous thing.

[00:58:30] The third person you mentioned as well, I think is absolutely perfect.

[00:58:35] Oh, there's just, there's just so many in here.

[00:58:38] Um, I love that Keith David plays definitely not Barack Obama in the show as well.

[00:58:45] That is Keith David.

[00:58:46] Good.

[00:58:46] Which again, it's something else, right?

[00:58:48] We talk about a lot in these shows is using guest stars.

[00:58:52] Yeah.

[00:58:52] And these guys nail it.

[00:58:54] Right.

[00:58:54] Cause like that's a great example right there where you're just like, yeah, you're going

[00:58:58] to get Keith David in like a legendary actor.

[00:59:00] Like, yeah, we'll get him to play the president.

[00:59:03] That's such a good president as well.

[00:59:06] I feel like that character when, when Trump got elected changed or like, he like, he kind

[00:59:12] of came along for the ride as Trump in a way that he started to be much more like megalomaniac

[00:59:17] and a hundred percent.

[00:59:19] Yeah.

[00:59:20] Fragile ego sort of vibes.

[00:59:24] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:59:25] There's like a whole episode, isn't there?

[00:59:26] Where they kind of dig into that.

[00:59:27] Yeah.

[00:59:28] Yeah.

[00:59:29] Which is really, really fun.

[00:59:30] I'm just looking up who Keith David, like what he looks like now.

[00:59:33] Oh my goodness.

[00:59:34] You'll recognize him.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:36] He's been in again, been in everything.

[00:59:39] Literally.

[00:59:41] That's so mad.

[00:59:42] Cause yeah, that name is just like, just comes to mind straight away.

[00:59:46] Oh, he did Adventure Time as well.

[00:59:47] Are you kidding me?

[00:59:48] That's the, that's ridiculous.

[00:59:49] Yeah.

[00:59:50] Yeah, he is.

[00:59:51] That's the thing.

[00:59:52] You find there's a lot of crossover with a lot of these guys.

[00:59:55] I mean, like you said, for example, they just mentioned, uh, Adventure Time.

[00:59:58] Mm-hmm.

[00:59:59] You got like John DiMaggio pops up in, in this as like a number of characters in this show.

[01:00:04] And like I did an episode on Bob's burgers and it's the same thing.

[01:00:07] You're scrolling through and you're like, oh, they've also been in this and they've been

[01:00:10] in this.

[01:00:10] And yeah, all these people all sort of know each other and they all just kind of, they're

[01:00:14] happy to do whatever.

[01:00:15] Just chilling in LA, working on cartoons.

[01:00:18] It's a pretty good life.

[01:00:19] It's a pretty good life.

[01:00:20] It's a pretty good life.

[01:00:21] It's a pretty nice.

[01:00:21] Oh yeah.

[01:00:23] I mean, I'm like, I'm just scrolling through and I'm like, oh yeah, Paul GM Matty is

[01:00:26] Story Lord.

[01:00:28] Yeah.

[01:00:28] Yeah.

[01:00:29] Like, I mean, if you're going to get one of the greatest character actors of all time,

[01:00:34] absolutely.

[01:00:35] Yeah.

[01:00:35] Why not?

[01:00:37] Um, Keegan-Michael Key is that fourth dimensional being that you mentioned earlier.

[01:00:42] Yeah.

[01:00:42] He is.

[01:00:43] Yeah.

[01:00:43] Popping up.

[01:00:45] Okay.

[01:00:46] Again, just looking for him, like, damn, it's stacked.

[01:00:49] Like Peter Serafinowich, I'm like, who has he been?

[01:00:51] Agency director.

[01:00:52] Okay.

[01:00:53] He's been a few characters as well.

[01:00:55] I love Peter Serafinowich.

[01:00:56] Again, all these voices, just these ones like Jemaine Clement's been in this.

[01:01:00] Like there's so many people where you're just kind of like, you can't, it's that wonderful

[01:01:05] thing of watching a show and then going, I know that voice.

[01:01:07] Yeah.

[01:01:08] Who's that person?

[01:01:09] Yeah.

[01:01:11] And they just, everyone, I think they just use it as like a really, really awesome.

[01:01:16] Uh, yeah.

[01:01:17] Just a really awesome use of that actor.

[01:01:19] I think the only cameo they've done is Elon Musk as Elon Musk.

[01:01:23] Yeah.

[01:01:23] That's the only one where they've been like.

[01:01:25] Which is pretty good.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:27] It's interesting.

[01:01:28] I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of his these days.

[01:01:31] Um, that was.

[01:01:32] Oh, me neither.

[01:01:33] No.

[01:01:33] He's ruined, ruined Twitter.

[01:01:36] He's trying to be president.

[01:01:38] Like, just stop.

[01:01:39] Just stop.

[01:01:40] Like you can be president of Mars when you get there.

[01:01:42] Just like, can you focus on that?

[01:01:43] Yeah.

[01:01:44] If that's what you're about, you know?

[01:01:45] Yeah, exactly.

[01:01:46] Yeah.

[01:01:46] Yeah.

[01:01:47] Go over there.

[01:01:49] Yeah.

[01:01:50] Take all the rich people with you.

[01:01:52] Go on.

[01:01:56] Yeah.

[01:01:57] No, but they could, they could get away with so many more cameos on there.

[01:02:00] Like the president, like, you know, like he's, he's almost the closest to another cameo.

[01:02:07] Obviously it's not, it's, it's apparently, but like, it's pretty bang on in my opinion.

[01:02:11] Trump.

[01:02:12] Oh yeah.

[01:02:13] In a lot of ways.

[01:02:15] Absolutely.

[01:02:17] Um, Werner Herzog.

[01:02:18] Who does he play?

[01:02:21] Trimply Pibbles.

[01:02:22] I must look this up.

[01:02:23] Trimply Pibbles.

[01:02:23] Of all the voices.

[01:02:25] Yes.

[01:02:25] There you go.

[01:02:26] Yeah.

[01:02:26] Again, just like an old alien.

[01:02:27] I just like a vaguely recognize that character.

[01:02:30] This is what I mean.

[01:02:31] They just throw people at the wall.

[01:02:33] They're just kind of like, yeah, why not?

[01:02:35] Why not?

[01:02:36] Why not?

[01:02:36] I may say if I've never had Neil deGrasse Tyson on it, he should be in it.

[01:02:40] I feel like he should.

[01:02:41] Yeah.

[01:02:42] I mean, I'm just scrolling through.

[01:02:43] Hugh Jackman's been in this as Hugh Jackman.

[01:02:45] Oh yeah.

[01:02:46] Of course he was.

[01:02:47] Yeah.

[01:02:48] Yeah.

[01:02:49] Wait.

[01:02:49] Oh, he played himself in that episode.

[01:02:51] He did.

[01:02:52] He played himself in that episode.

[01:02:56] That's brilliant.

[01:02:57] That's, do you know, that's one where I watched it not that long ago and was like, is that

[01:03:02] actually him?

[01:03:03] Yeah.

[01:03:03] I'm like, and then it is like Australian accent in it.

[01:03:08] And I, I didn't realize he was Australian for ages to be honest.

[01:03:11] I'm quite saying that he plays it up in that pretty hard.

[01:03:15] Yeah.

[01:03:16] He's definitely on that list of actors that like when they speak for the first time, you're

[01:03:20] like, wait, where are you from?

[01:03:21] Yeah.

[01:03:22] What happened there?

[01:03:22] Yeah.

[01:03:23] You're American.

[01:03:27] Nah, mate.

[01:03:28] And you're like, oh, okay.

[01:03:29] I'm confused now.

[01:03:31] Try again.

[01:03:32] It's exactly.

[01:03:33] It's him and Christian Bale are on that list.

[01:03:36] Hmm.

[01:03:37] He's from the valleys.

[01:03:39] He is.

[01:03:39] What?

[01:03:40] Yeah.

[01:03:40] Christian Bale's from the...

[01:03:42] He's Welsh.

[01:03:42] He's Welsh.

[01:03:43] He's Welsh.

[01:03:44] He's Batman.

[01:03:45] He comes from the Welsh.

[01:03:46] He's Welsh.

[01:03:48] What the hell?

[01:03:50] He has brilliant accents.

[01:03:51] Wow.

[01:03:51] I see these as American.

[01:03:53] That's...

[01:03:53] Fair play.

[01:03:54] I think with a, I mean, I think a lot of them, it's like, they just, you do that enough.

[01:03:58] Yeah.

[01:03:59] It's kind of what you're known for, or maybe you just assimilate it.

[01:04:02] Yeah.

[01:04:03] And that's just what you are now.

[01:04:06] God.

[01:04:06] Yeah.

[01:04:07] This is so stacked.

[01:04:08] I get sort of scrolling through it.

[01:04:10] It's just like, this is nuts.

[01:04:13] Stacked cars.

[01:04:14] They clearly have the budget.

[01:04:15] Yeah.

[01:04:17] Yeah.

[01:04:18] I mean, that's why I was when we were like, you have to finish it.

[01:04:21] We've spent so much, please.

[01:04:23] Right?

[01:04:25] Yeah.

[01:04:28] Absolutely.

[01:04:29] Yeah.

[01:04:31] David Cross.

[01:04:32] Yes.

[01:04:32] He's Prince Nebius.

[01:04:34] Nebulon.

[01:04:35] I just remembered.

[01:04:35] Yeah.

[01:04:36] So there's that whole episode, isn't there?

[01:04:38] Where it's a simulation within the simulation.

[01:04:40] Oh yeah.

[01:04:44] Or speaking of Elon Tusk, the whole like heist episode.

[01:04:47] Again, another great thing of the show, isn't it?

[01:04:49] Like taking a genre and just deconstructing it down to its base points to the point now

[01:04:54] where like, I can't enjoy heist movies anymore.

[01:04:57] They ruined them for me.

[01:04:58] I don't know about you guys.

[01:04:59] After that episode, it was like, they're right.

[01:05:01] This is all it is.

[01:05:03] It is.

[01:05:03] I love it, man.

[01:05:05] Like that in, like, Ocean's Eleven and Guy Ritchie films that like, you always have

[01:05:10] a place in my world.

[01:05:12] Yeah.

[01:05:13] You know exactly what you're getting.

[01:05:15] Yeah.

[01:05:15] That's true.

[01:05:16] That's true.

[01:05:17] That's true.

[01:05:18] No surprises.

[01:05:19] I don't know.

[01:05:20] I feel like as well when they do those things, it's kind of going back to the comedy

[01:05:24] side of it.

[01:05:24] Right.

[01:05:24] And the intent.

[01:05:26] I feel like they're doing it lovingly.

[01:05:28] Right.

[01:05:28] They're making fun of the tropes, but it's not like this is terrible and rubbish and everything

[01:05:32] sucks.

[01:05:32] It's just, isn't it kind of funny that this is in everything and we're just going to point

[01:05:37] it out?

[01:05:37] Mm hmm.

[01:05:40] Yeah.

[01:05:40] I take it.

[01:05:41] You guys caught up on the latest seasons and stuff at the moment?

[01:05:45] I've like, I've watched the latest, but like not properly.

[01:05:49] If that makes sense.

[01:05:49] I've like.

[01:05:50] Yeah.

[01:05:50] Yeah.

[01:05:51] I tried to watch it again, distracted or falling asleep.

[01:05:53] And then I've sort of half watched it, but the whole way.

[01:05:56] Yeah.

[01:05:57] I need to go back.

[01:05:58] Okay.

[01:05:59] Yeah.

[01:06:00] I can't even remember how the last season ended actually.

[01:06:02] So I definitely need to rewatch it.

[01:06:04] Yeah.

[01:06:04] I can.

[01:06:04] Okay.

[01:06:04] I've seen them all.

[01:06:05] I couldn't tell you how, but obviously I've watched a lot less than the other, other

[01:06:10] seasons purely because you know, it's not been out.

[01:06:13] Yeah.

[01:06:14] Also that.

[01:06:15] Time restrictions and you know, being a very busy, busy, busy boy.

[01:06:19] A busy boy.

[01:06:20] Yeah.

[01:06:21] Yeah.

[01:06:23] Yeah.

[01:06:23] That's fair.

[01:06:24] That's fair.

[01:06:24] I was just wondering on that note, like, where do you think you see it going?

[01:06:27] Because obviously, as you mentioned, they've got the 10 season deal.

[01:06:31] If they finished season seven, I'm assuming season eight is probably in the can by now.

[01:06:35] I would expect.

[01:06:36] It's gotta be.

[01:06:37] Yeah.

[01:06:38] If it's not already coming out again, another Google, let's find out.

[01:06:41] I would have put in a bunch of Google jingles in between, but here's another one

[01:06:43] for you guys.

[01:06:47] Is the click so you can sync it or is that just so you remember to do it?

[01:06:51] It's literally, it's a bit of both.

[01:06:53] It's literally just to give me a pause to be like, put it in here, Harley.

[01:06:56] Don't forget.

[01:06:57] Cause I will forget.

[01:06:58] Rick and Morty season eight.

[01:07:01] Let's go.

[01:07:01] How would they actually, you just got me thinking like, how would they actually finish

[01:07:04] a show?

[01:07:05] I don't want it to, so I'm not going to think about it though.

[01:07:09] Yeah.

[01:07:10] So it says season eight is set to air in 2025, but it doesn't say when.

[01:07:14] It'll be like November.

[01:07:15] Won't it?

[01:07:16] It always is.

[01:07:17] Yeah, that's true.

[01:07:18] So.

[01:07:19] Hmm.

[01:07:21] So probably what 2027 then maybe we get to.

[01:07:24] What season 10.

[01:07:25] Season 10.

[01:07:26] The final one.

[01:07:27] Hmm.

[01:07:28] Who knows?

[01:07:29] Yeah.

[01:07:30] That's scary.

[01:07:31] I don't want it to end.

[01:07:32] I wonder if they'll go out on a bang and do a movie or something like that.

[01:07:36] It feels like a show that could pull that off.

[01:07:37] Yeah.

[01:07:38] I could see that.

[01:07:38] I could see that happening like a full length.

[01:07:41] I don't think.

[01:07:41] Yeah.

[01:07:42] I mean, Simpsons, Bob's Burgers, they've all done it and it went pretty well.

[01:07:45] So yeah.

[01:07:46] You know, a Rick and Morty film could do very well.

[01:07:49] I think.

[01:07:49] Yeah.

[01:07:49] I think that's probably a good shout.

[01:07:51] I definitely see that happening.

[01:07:52] Yeah.

[01:07:52] I can definitely see that happening.

[01:07:55] You'll be there opening day.

[01:07:56] You'll be there opening day.

[01:07:57] A hundred percent.

[01:07:58] I will be.

[01:07:59] I feel like they haven't done.

[01:08:01] Save me at space.

[01:08:02] Well, like.

[01:08:03] Yeah.

[01:08:04] They haven't done what like Simpsons and Family Guy have done, which is when they enter

[01:08:07] like the, like the real world.

[01:08:10] As in like, say they put the cartoons like, like Spongebob movie sort of vibes, you know,

[01:08:15] like.

[01:08:15] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:17] So I feel like they're going to do that at some point because that's the ultimate like

[01:08:21] leaving the dimension, isn't it?

[01:08:24] Which they, they do.

[01:08:26] Yeah.

[01:08:26] That's my, that's my guess for an episode, but I've no idea how they can end that without

[01:08:32] killing someone.

[01:08:34] Mmm.

[01:08:36] I think Jerry might die.

[01:08:38] That's, that's enough for next year.

[01:08:40] Yeah.

[01:08:41] Possibly.

[01:08:42] Possibly.

[01:08:43] I mean, I feel like, I feel like Summer and Beth and, and Morty are pretty safe.

[01:08:48] It's like a trio.

[01:08:50] Yeah.

[01:08:51] Yeah.

[01:08:51] You could be right.

[01:08:52] Maybe space death though.

[01:08:53] I'm not sure.

[01:08:54] I'm not sure Jerry could, could die though.

[01:08:55] I think by this point, surely he's gotta be like canonically invincible just because

[01:09:01] like so many opportunities and yet is always.

[01:09:06] No, he'll have, he'll have a hearing.

[01:09:09] Yeah.

[01:09:09] Will he?

[01:09:10] It'll be his full circle like character arc.

[01:09:12] Here we go.

[01:09:13] This is what it was all for.

[01:09:14] Like.

[01:09:16] Mmm.

[01:09:17] We'll see.

[01:09:18] It would, it would be a nice full circle moment for him.

[01:09:20] Yeah.

[01:09:21] I agree.

[01:09:23] Yeah.

[01:09:25] Oh, poor Jerry.

[01:09:26] Poor Jerry.

[01:09:27] Poor Jerry.

[01:09:28] Poor Jerry.

[01:09:29] Poor Jerry.

[01:09:29] Poor Jerry.

[01:09:32] Yeah.

[01:09:32] I'm with you.

[01:09:33] I kind of like, it would, it, I would like it to run its course in a way that makes

[01:09:37] sense.

[01:09:38] I think that's like, it's like anything, isn't it creative?

[01:09:40] You know, go out on a high.

[01:09:41] Yeah.

[01:09:42] Is, is it one of those shows though, that needs to run its course?

[01:09:47] Cause like.

[01:09:48] Okay.

[01:09:48] Cause like Breaking Bad obviously had to reach a point, but like, because of this, they're

[01:09:53] in an infinite universe, that's kind of a, with infinite realities, infinite possibilities.

[01:09:58] So like, it's kind of like South Park and Simpsons where it can go on forever sort of

[01:10:03] thing.

[01:10:03] Like, and Family Guy and all that.

[01:10:05] But.

[01:10:06] Yeah.

[01:10:06] Yeah.

[01:10:06] Because they haven't aged at all.

[01:10:09] I guess it being a cartoon, you can, but like, it does want a climax, doesn't it?

[01:10:13] It does want an end to it.

[01:10:15] I just, I never actually, I've never thought about that.

[01:10:18] It's going to finish after 10 seasons probably.

[01:10:21] Yeah.

[01:10:21] I think these things, I think these things have got to end over there.

[01:10:24] Cause like, you know, like those examples there, like the Simpsons, Family Guy or whatever,

[01:10:27] but it just keeps on going.

[01:10:28] And then you're just going to get like more and more kind of like dud episodes and then

[01:10:32] actors will come and go.

[01:10:34] Cause I mean like the commitment for like an actor to be on a show like that for so long,

[01:10:39] you know, it's huge, isn't it?

[01:10:41] Absolutely.

[01:10:41] I think the quality just suffers, you know?

[01:10:44] Yeah.

[01:10:45] I think it's definitely going to have like the natural end kind of fits, fits with the

[01:10:50] story and the narrative and everything.

[01:10:51] But I'd never want something like that to kind of be stretched out.

[01:10:56] Do you know what I mean?

[01:10:57] Like, Oh yeah, actually we're doing this extra thing and doing this extra thing and this

[01:11:00] extra thing because it's very popular and whatever.

[01:11:03] I think you end up just kind of diluting why it was good, you know?

[01:11:08] Yeah.

[01:11:08] Yeah.

[01:11:09] They did that with the American office.

[01:11:11] I felt like, yeah, I prefer that to the British one.

[01:11:16] Yeah.

[01:11:16] Yeah.

[01:11:17] Okay.

[01:11:17] Yeah.

[01:11:18] I know it's not a hot take over here or like a popular hot take.

[01:11:21] I'm kind of, kind of in a similar boat.

[01:11:23] I mean, both, both shows got an episode a few years ago and yeah, I kind of landed on

[01:11:28] the same thing, but I agree.

[01:11:30] I know where you're going because yeah, it's you're right.

[01:11:34] You're right.

[01:11:34] That last season was painful.

[01:11:36] Like, I don't know.

[01:11:37] I didn't, I can, I've never finished it actually.

[01:11:39] The last season.

[01:11:39] Oh, okay.

[01:11:41] Um, cause I, well, I started it and I just was like, there's no Michael.

[01:11:45] There's all these new people.

[01:11:47] I don't want to watch this.

[01:11:49] It's understandable.

[01:11:50] I will say I like, I like the finale of it, but I do agree.

[01:11:54] It's like, yeah, you're right.

[01:11:56] It's going back to what you said a minute ago, Jack.

[01:11:58] It's that creative passion.

[01:11:59] Yeah.

[01:12:00] If it's not there.

[01:12:01] And that usually happens when one or two people leave a show, you know, it's like,

[01:12:06] ah, okay.

[01:12:07] Are we just doing it because it's, it's a safe bet.

[01:12:11] Yeah.

[01:12:12] Or are we doing it because it's yeah, exactly.

[01:12:14] Or are we doing it because it's like, we actually think there's a good story here.

[01:12:17] And we want to finish this through and you know, it is possible to do it.

[01:12:20] I think.

[01:12:21] But yeah.

[01:12:22] Yeah.

[01:12:22] I often think it's probably like being in a band, right?

[01:12:24] If like, if, if it runs its course, it runs its course.

[01:12:26] If you're just doing it because you're like, we need to do this because well, I've got

[01:12:31] nothing else.

[01:12:31] It's like, oh, that sucks.

[01:12:33] Yeah.

[01:12:33] I mean, definitely.

[01:12:35] I saw a good interview.

[01:12:36] I think it was with, um, what's his name from the, from the cure, Robert, um,

[01:12:41] yeah.

[01:12:42] And the thing about him, people talking to him about like, you know, a new album for the

[01:12:46] cure.

[01:12:47] And he was like, I won't put anything out unless it's, unless I think it's good.

[01:12:51] Unless I think it's as good as, or better than what we've previously put out.

[01:12:55] Yeah.

[01:12:55] And I won't get it out.

[01:12:56] Like he won't put it out just for the sake of it.

[01:12:59] You know?

[01:12:59] Yeah.

[01:12:59] So there's another album.

[01:13:01] There's another thing.

[01:13:02] I think that's, that's, that's such like a healthy kind of outlook on it.

[01:13:09] Definitely.

[01:13:09] There's a lot of integrity to that really, isn't there?

[01:13:12] Like, yeah.

[01:13:13] Yeah.

[01:13:13] I can understand, especially with a band like the cure, there's ample opportunity for them

[01:13:17] to start like just spitting out albums and like break up and do a reunion tour or whatever.

[01:13:24] Like they've been around for so long.

[01:13:25] They could absolutely maximize on that.

[01:13:27] But no, they're true to the arts.

[01:13:30] It's definitely.

[01:13:31] Yeah.

[01:13:32] I mean, I suppose in some ways that's probably a bit of a privileged kind of position to be

[01:13:35] absolutely, isn't it?

[01:13:36] To be able to pick and choose what you put out when and have that kind of freedom with

[01:13:41] it.

[01:13:41] But I mean, it goes back to what we said earlier about changing voice actors and stuff that it

[01:13:46] shows that the love and the passion is still there for those characters, the other, the

[01:13:49] other actors to stay in it and keep, keep going.

[01:13:53] Yeah.

[01:13:53] And they're like, so many big actors in it, you know, they obviously don't need the paycheck,

[01:13:58] you know, that, you know, that's what makes it good.

[01:14:03] That's probably brings all that chemistry to it.

[01:14:05] And, you know, I suppose.

[01:14:08] Yeah.

[01:14:09] We'll have to wait and see, I suppose, and see what happens.

[01:14:11] Yeah.

[01:14:11] If it falls apart.

[01:14:13] I imagine whatever you guess, you know, it'll be some really random kind of fanfic on Reddit

[01:14:17] somewhere that will get it right of what actually ends up happening.

[01:14:19] But I imagine whatever we end up guessing will probably be the complete, like, yeah, like

[01:14:23] you say, rug pull and the opposite.

[01:14:26] Yeah.

[01:14:28] Yeah.

[01:14:29] And I hope, I hope that's what it is.

[01:14:30] I hope that it is surprising.

[01:14:32] Yeah.

[01:14:33] At the very least, whatever they go for.

[01:14:35] I think that's a pretty, pretty good bet to be fair.

[01:14:37] Yeah.

[01:14:38] They've always surprised on that show.

[01:14:40] Like, yeah, like the episode where they like, oh, is Beth a clone or, or not?

[01:14:46] And then they reveal like, we, no one knows.

[01:14:48] Like that's, I really wasn't expecting that.

[01:14:52] Same.

[01:14:53] Yeah.

[01:14:53] I was like, oh man, that's so good.

[01:14:55] Like what is, what, of course Rick would do that.

[01:14:59] Like, yeah.

[01:15:01] Yeah.

[01:15:02] Yeah.

[01:15:02] They do really well with that.

[01:15:04] Hmm.

[01:15:05] Absolutely.

[01:15:06] Yeah.

[01:15:07] So whatever happens.

[01:15:08] Yeah.

[01:15:09] You're always welcome for a part two.

[01:15:11] If it all goes horribly wrong, you can come back and say we were wrong.

[01:15:14] Terrible.

[01:15:15] Oh, thank you.

[01:15:16] Or we can go, ah, it wasn't that good.

[01:15:18] Yeah.

[01:15:20] Yeah.

[01:15:21] Yeah.

[01:15:22] Yeah.

[01:15:22] But, um, I guess, so sort of take us home.

[01:15:24] I'm, I'm going to throw it over to you guys.

[01:15:26] What are you guys up to then?

[01:15:27] Cause I know you've got some new music coming out and yeah.

[01:15:30] Why don't you tell the good folks about that?

[01:15:31] We can chat about that, about what you've got coming up, where they can find you all

[01:15:34] that good stuff.

[01:15:35] Mm hmm.

[01:15:36] Yeah.

[01:15:36] Yeah.

[01:15:37] Go on, Jack.

[01:15:37] Ellis, are you going to jump in?

[01:15:38] Nah.

[01:15:38] I'm jumping in.

[01:15:40] Cool.

[01:15:41] Yeah.

[01:15:41] Well, we've got a new EP coming out, um, on the 20th with Marshall records called echoes,

[01:15:46] which, um, which is, it's, it's such a, a culmination of so many things for us.

[01:15:53] Um, and working with so many different great people, um, working with, with Marshall, people

[01:15:59] like, like Mikey Demas as well, who's produced the EP.

[01:16:03] Um, it was great working with Mikey, you know, the guys at Marshall.

[01:16:07] And, um, and, and getting mixed by Lewis Johns as well, who we've been a bit of other work

[01:16:13] with.

[01:16:13] Um, we're so proud of it.

[01:16:15] Can't wait for it to come out.

[01:16:16] We've, we've had, um, but a couple of singles already dropped, which have gone really well.

[01:16:22] And then we've got, um, on the 20th, we've got a release show in London as well.

[01:16:27] Um, signature brew in Haggerston, um, which is going to be a great night.

[01:16:32] Um, so everyone's listening, please come down, come to say hello.

[01:16:35] Me and Ellis will talk to you about Rick and Morty if you like.

[01:16:40] Yeah.

[01:16:41] Yeah.

[01:16:43] But, um, absolutely.

[01:16:45] Yeah.

[01:16:45] So that's a, that's a, go on.

[01:16:47] I was going to say now it's part of the set now.

[01:16:49] And there's just a 20 minute monologue of me and Jack with microphones.

[01:16:52] Um, yeah, yeah.

[01:16:56] What's your favorite episode?

[01:16:58] I mean, everyone always, everyone always does say, isn't it?

[01:17:01] You know, it's what people really want to hear.

[01:17:03] It was a drum and a bass player talking on stage.

[01:17:06] Yeah.

[01:17:08] Yeah.

[01:17:08] Put down those silly instruments.

[01:17:10] Yeah.

[01:17:11] Just go.

[01:17:12] Well.

[01:17:13] Bash, bash.

[01:17:15] Go bash, bash.

[01:17:17] I'm always here for it.

[01:17:19] No.

[01:17:21] Um, yeah, but, um, you can find us online.

[01:17:24] Like we're on, um, Instagram, TikTok, um, Spotify, all the good stuff.

[01:17:29] Um, and if people want to support the craft as well, um, we have band camp, um, which is

[01:17:35] really good for us.

[01:17:37] And, um, yeah.

[01:17:40] Hmm.

[01:17:43] That's awesome.

[01:17:44] I'll be sure to put the links in.

[01:17:45] I was actually just double checking what I've got available.

[01:17:47] So yeah, I'll make sure I put all of that in for you guys.

[01:17:50] And I mean, I've, I'll be honest, very new to your band.

[01:17:53] So it was only when I got the, uh, the email from the guys at Marshall.

[01:17:56] I was like, Oh, what's this?

[01:17:57] I'll check it out.

[01:17:58] And immediately was like, Oh yeah, love this.

[01:18:01] Love what it's about.

[01:18:01] And thought, let's have a chat.

[01:18:03] Let's see what it's about.

[01:18:04] So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you guys put this out in about a couple of

[01:18:08] weeks time from when we're chatting and yeah.

[01:18:10] Yeah.

[01:18:10] All the best with the shows.

[01:18:11] I guess you'll probably have a lot more coming up next year as well.

[01:18:13] I expect.

[01:18:14] Yeah.

[01:18:15] We've got, uh, got a couple of festivals, uh, a couple of things in the works.

[01:18:22] I don't, I don't think there's anything we've been able to announce just yet.

[01:18:25] Um, but yeah, next year should be, should be a busy one.

[01:18:28] You can tell me off mic.

[01:18:29] Yeah.

[01:18:33] Nice.

[01:18:34] Yeah.

[01:18:34] No.

[01:18:34] And then, um, really just slow.

[01:18:36] Uh, we want to get back to, get back to writing the next thing, next release.

[01:18:40] Like this, this release, uh, the Echo's EP is like, we, we've slowly become, been going

[01:18:45] down the heavier route over the past couple of years with the last year releases.

[01:18:48] And this is, this EP is very much a doubling down.

[01:18:51] Um, uh, although the title track is, um, somewhat of a, a ballad, I suppose.

[01:18:58] Um, okay.

[01:18:59] Um, yeah.

[01:18:59] In a way, um, yeah, a bit more of a, like a, an intimate song.

[01:19:05] Um, um, which w yeah, we're all very proud of.

[01:19:10] Um, but I know particularly for our, uh, our singer and our guitarist, Larry and Jess,

[01:19:14] they, um, uh, it means a lot to them personally, lyrically, and also with the kind of intent

[01:19:19] of the writing.

[01:19:20] So it's really, yeah.

[01:19:21] Wow.

[01:19:22] This EP is quite a maturing and, you know, shows what our kind of clear direction is going

[01:19:28] forward.

[01:19:29] Um, where we want to be.

[01:19:31] Um, yeah, there's a lot of anger to get out amongst the four of us, apparently.

[01:19:35] So like, that's what we're doing.

[01:19:38] Yeah.

[01:19:39] I did love how you said this was like the heaviest thing.

[01:19:42] And then.

[01:19:43] Yeah.

[01:19:43] The title track is actually a ballad.

[01:19:45] It is.

[01:19:47] Other than that.

[01:19:49] Yeah.

[01:19:50] I'm not selling it.

[01:19:51] Am I?

[01:19:51] Do you have a free are heavy as hell?

[01:19:54] And one of them is definitely our heaviest today.

[01:19:57] Um, absolutely.

[01:19:58] Yeah.

[01:19:58] Which is one of the unreleased ones.

[01:20:00] So keep an eye out for that.

[01:20:02] Will do.

[01:20:02] Will do.

[01:20:03] I mean, I'm, I'm always here for contrasts, so that's fine.

[01:20:07] Nothing wrong with a ballad, but yes, also very much here for a high gain drop to nonsense.

[01:20:13] That is my, that's my wheelhouse.

[01:20:15] So yeah, I look forward to checking out more from you guys.

[01:20:18] So, uh, I guess what's left to say is thanks for coming on.

[01:20:21] Thank you for.

[01:20:22] Yeah.

[01:20:23] Agreeing to take the time out and all the best with, uh, with the release.

[01:20:27] Thanks.

[01:20:27] Thank you very much.

[01:20:28] Thanks for having us on.

[01:20:29] A massive thank you to Ellis and Jack for coming onto the podcast.

[01:20:32] And sharing your love of this legendary TV show.

[01:20:37] Malivora's EP echoes is available to listen to right now, wherever you get your music.

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[01:20:44] Make sure that you do.

[01:20:45] I promise you it is well worth checking out.

[01:20:48] It's an absolutely brilliant EP.

[01:20:51] And I'm not just saying that because they were nice enough to come on the podcast.

[01:20:54] Please do yourself a favor and check it out and make sure you keep an eye out on their social media pages.

[01:20:58] Give them a follow because they've got some really cool stuff coming up in the next year.

[01:21:02] And I promise you, you do not want to miss out on it.

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