Song Writing with Damien C. Sayell (St Pierre Snake Invasion & McLusky)

[00:00:14] Hello and welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture, one conversation at a time. I am your host, Harley. Every episode, I interview different people from around the world to discuss a variety of topics within the world of pop culture. Thanks for joining

[00:00:30] me on this journey and I hope you enjoy the episode. Welcome to another episode of The Song Writing Season of Fandomentals. In this episode, I am joined by the front man of the St Pierre Snake Invasion, as well as the bass player

[00:00:53] for the band, McLusky. It is of course Damien Sayell. Damien was an absolute delight to host on the podcast. He's somebody that I find just really fascinating for a creative

[00:01:04] point of view. I was put onto the band about a year ago and I found it such an interesting list and through. There are bands that don't like to play things safe and they like to change

[00:01:14] things up with every album. As you'll learn in this discussion, this is very much a conscious decision made by Damien. Somebody who's passion and love for music shines through in every single song. It wasn't absolutely like to sit down with Damien and learn not only

[00:01:29] more about his songwriting process, but of course his journey into music, how photography has influenced his art, and landing the dream gig of playing bass in his favourite band. There's that and so much more to look forward to in this conversation. As I have mentioned

[00:01:46] in previous weeks, I have a pretty big announcement for the podcast or save it to the end of the episode. But make sure you stick around because it's really exciting. I don't want

[00:01:55] you guys to miss out on it. That's enough from me. Let's get on with the episode. This is songwriting with Damien Sayell. Hello Damien and welcome to the Fan Demensal's podcast.

[00:02:19] Hello. Thank you very much for having me on. Thank you for coming on as kids get to see you. Peek behind the curtain for everybody. We met festival about a year ago. It's nice to

[00:02:30] catch up and see how you're doing. I know it's just the fact that it's a year is... It's in so. I can't, it's going to be me soon. I feel like I was at my Christmas

[00:02:43] my works Christmas do a week ago. Right. Yeah. That's mad isn't it? Yeah. I'm looking forward to this. I want to say yeah, talk to you back songwriting. Good enough to come on. The question I start this off

[00:02:56] with everyone is I want to go right back to the start. What was the first song that you ever wrote? A lot of people have been going into their childhood. Oh yeah absolutely scoundrel. So I will

[00:03:12] you know the first song I could remember writing in my head was you know as like all kids do my son is three and kind of sing you know we're going in the shot. Right. I remember writing

[00:03:27] a kind of like Michael Jackson type song in my head like Strange. It's in the night walk. Yeah. It was not a song that it was in my brain but the first actual song I remember

[00:03:41] writing was I got a guitar for my cousin's boyfriend. He was right handed and I'm left and it's so I played the guitar upside down. I had no idea how to tune it so I just played one string

[00:03:52] for about a year. And did just a very simple, I opened four throughout third, second, third, second, second, I just done, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah. And did like this awful,

[00:04:05] awful lyrics kind of. I think, am I friend? I've got a friend called Ryan who offered more text me out blues. But my friend felt like 30 years and more text me out the blue lyrics from

[00:04:17] this song which that's a pretty grounded song. Yeah, I'm getting somewhere in my success full artist. Yeah just like no you'll be like you know that there was like a McClusky art

[00:04:28] I call in the Guardian much other folk with a lot of surf and he sent me that for like some lyrics from the song which was called to Rancho La Tierra Paiberlée. It was called really it. Yeah exactly.

[00:04:42] So you know, not my best work admittedly but that was the first one and it was suitably terrible. Yeah suitably terrible, which is you know who anyone who tells you their first song was great

[00:05:01] is lying. Yeah, I can't imagine very many artists that will put their very very first song on an album. I don't know there's not that many. I can think maybe I should give it a go in the

[00:05:13] next one and just kind of yeah an experimental B-side. Yeah to as a vampire up like you look from when we came. Yeah exactly. I mean single string riffs I think most of us still get away with

[00:05:26] that nowadays. Oh yeah with that? I think we barely use chords in St. Pierre's or there you go. Amazingness you know. You need some overrated in my opinion exactly to efficiency as what

[00:05:38] after you know. Yeah I mean you're talking to somebody who's got a series of guitars behind and most of them are dropped you and for that exact reason just ignorant chugging. Yeah I mean part

[00:05:48] of the reason we use like just one string for a lot of the riffs is because in my head they sound like macho girl but we don't have we don't have the you know that's

[00:06:02] the H strings to kind of pull out off so we just do it in like with normal strings and it doesn't sound anywhere near us rich or full there's macho girl but I mean it's very very few people. Yeah

[00:06:18] this is one of those guitarist things isn't it yeah you buy an H string and you try and then you go oh this is really difficult. It sounds like a fart. It's exactly. I think part of these go

[00:06:28] I mean we've got another party so so pick his H string up and like this is you know just try and play the riff from bleed and it just sounds terrible. I mean yeah absolutely terrible that mean

[00:06:42] more, more because I'm not a very good guitarist like that. From other than you know the smirching his equipment it's a terrible one. Sure it just this sounds terrible party. It's

[00:06:54] nothing to do with me. Now for as anything I've learned from being a guitar player all these years day being it's always blame the gear always. Never played it's full no no no no it's just not

[00:07:03] quite it just doesn't it's not quite as a right angle that it's not that's it. It's bit neck heavy. Yeah the actions not right. Yeah pick pickups are a bit muddy. Yeah that's the same right yeah yeah

[00:07:14] it's not my not practicing. Yeah the the the something in the intonation just a little yeah no yeah that is but for for all fledgling guitarist that's my that's my advice. Yeah play the tool

[00:07:31] absolutely never take a cart of belly for anything. Great start I love it. I want to ask it so you started off on guitar then it was like your first your first instrument yeah so my my cousin's boyfriend Neil who's now he's actually in a metal band called

[00:07:50] copel down and he's like he was like 18 that 17 18 when I met him he was from birth to little and he was a really good guitarist then and he's got to be what?

[00:08:02] Four in his late four he's now so I imagine he's got like a virtuoso but yeah he kind of got me into heavy music and play guitar and I thought it was the coolest thing ever so he gave me it gave me

[00:08:15] the acoustic and and then that was it I was you know I was pretty good in school until I got guitar when I was at one I'm gonna be a musician so I'm not gonna do any of that anymore. Yeah yeah

[00:08:31] who these maths in geography not made not made not not me although you know we have just put out a Matthew album there wasn't there was a lot of counting in the in the studio but luckily it

[00:08:44] was only up to five so that's okay then didn't need GCSE in the answer we're good they're all good. Love it love it so I'm guessing from there then that's kind of where your musical

[00:08:55] journey started and you're just writing and I mean even something as simple as writing a upside down guitar one string riff that's still cool that's still like that age to kind of go

[00:09:05] yeah I want to figure this out I want to get to grips with it so I'm guessing from there you kind of figured out which way to put the guitar off. Yeah thanks a lot. I got um

[00:09:14] my pet you know I was in love with it straight away. Yeah and being cautious my parents were like oh this could just be another thing you know I used to collect alien toys and and all and drag it like metal dragons and stuff and the other

[00:09:33] that's my passion and I'm just gonna do that for a rest of my life and then didn't they were you know understandably cautious about spending money on a guitar but I played that one string

[00:09:46] for a year probably tuned it twice and then they bought me a left hand guitar so I you know this is before YouTube and what have you and not having any knowledge of tuners or

[00:10:02] anything so I just played the one string on that for another year and yeah and so because I didn't have any books and I didn't you know learn I didn't learn chords until I'd been playing guitar

[00:10:17] for two years so I was just writing learning kind of you know oh this these notes sound good here I say good you know with you and very common as that but yeah for you for someone who

[00:10:33] had never done anything musically until that point um and so I kind of knew I wasn't going to be a really good guitarist but I very much enjoyed you know writing lyrics and

[00:10:49] yeah and making them fit to these rhythms and that was kind of it was never really focused on being a proficient musician it was just all about okay well this is a vehicle for writing and

[00:11:04] interesting here I am still yeah yeah what started you off of writing lyrics then I just I always wrote I remember having a Commodore 64 um well that my six or seven birthday

[00:11:21] for those of you are most people on this listening to this won't be anywhere near as old as I am but I was a 64 was a type of computer I had a monitor and a keyboard and a tape so instead of

[00:11:35] like loading in a desk or anything like that you had to load in a tape and there's you know games obviously but you were able to type so I would spend like lots of time I would write

[00:11:49] I'd watch matcha today and then write my own like kind of reviews of the games and these silly kind of like wordplay and I you know would read a lot when I was a child

[00:12:03] and so I kind of I did poetry in school so I was kind of you know a nomad with with language from an early age and that sounds way more that sounds way more potential

[00:12:17] than I intended it to be why did I loved I loved reading I loved writing and so lyrics kind of came to me and I was a very sentimental child very sensitive um and so they were kind of

[00:12:33] it just became like an outlet for my um for my melancholy and yeah a romanticism hmm I love that I like you know the thing that's standing out to me here is it's

[00:12:46] embracing that natural creativity but in a way that I do it with limitations that makes sense you know like I think a lot of us particularly in this day and age right there's a lot of emphasis

[00:12:59] on like having everything now and having everything set up I know I'm very guilty of this of like I can record if I haven't got the right yeah software or blah blah blah but as a kid you sort of

[00:13:09] but you lose all of that don't you like you just have what's in front of you yeah and you go well I know I like writing words I know I like the sign of this instrument just going to

[00:13:19] do it and just having no expectations exactly and that's kind of um I think that's this should be you know if you're an artist and you draw into draw and whatever is available you don't have to have expensive paper I mean I've recently

[00:13:36] got into photography and um and you know there's a saying within that community that the best camera is the one you have on you you know doesn't really work with how many mega

[00:13:49] pixels how quickly all of focus is you've got a camera with you even if it's your phone and that photo is in front of you it offers itself to you sure then that's the best thing

[00:14:00] and that's you know taking the photo is is the action that's going to help you improve as opposed to getting a really expensive like or you know Sony right exactly exactly yeah so you're

[00:14:14] going through writing all of this stuff when did you sort of start a band then I think okay I want to put these songs together with others I joined a but I joined a high school band which we

[00:14:26] called Vasuvius and we were kind of there were two bands in the in the school that's a very metal name yeah it was terrible we thought you know when you're that young and you're

[00:14:42] into like often if music you're just you think you're so agile and kind of you just you look back in your life oh my god you're this is the song about all of my feelings yeah this is

[00:14:53] this is about the government man you would understand exactly I'm a cis white boy from from Wales I know one understands you know no one knows the pain I'm going through

[00:15:08] so there was um so that we were you know the kind of alternative band we did like covers of Navarna and Green Day and I believe we did a cover of I come on feel the noise slayed and there was

[00:15:21] another band that was kind of an indie band so they did like the Beatles and yeah a racist and all that it was kind of like that seemed to be the two growing up in school so isn't it it was like

[00:15:32] really there's like a punk band or an indie band yeah an occasion it'd be a metal band but everyone beats you scared to a part sure yeah that was there was you know we were I like to feel like

[00:15:40] we were the originators of the scene in the high school and then there was a few you know um and then we um and then there were some other bands and I forget then I forget the other bands

[00:15:54] names because it was in your nearly three years ago but yeah there was another one that started that was kind of more into like the like traditional seven-ease rock music so it was like

[00:16:07] deep down and all that and they were like well lavage jackets and I'm like falling like you know nice falling in like you know like would affect kind of you know be the simple head-tocks and stuff

[00:16:20] which is looking back now it's really funny where as we were just foreground you know soaking like down down sort of but yeah that's so I joined that band on guitar and then there the guitarist

[00:16:34] who's in that band is a guy called Andrew Pymla who's an amazing guitarist I think he has done quite a lot of stuff in in Manchester he went on to be like a virtuoso could literally pick up

[00:16:47] anything and play it um but he he was he was like you know how to play smallzectin spirit and I thought I did through my one string which I still have been hard play at a tune and then we

[00:16:59] start playing it he's like no no no so he tuned my guitar for me and and then that's how I learned to play kind of bar chords and chords and and then and then so I could actually bring in songs that were

[00:17:14] made sense to other people who understood understood the mechanics of a guitar or any instrument we would you know we played songs that I wrote and songs that Andrew wrote and they were you know

[00:17:29] as as bad as you would expect but you know and but there was something you know it was exilere and even though we were rubbish we didn't think we were rubbish we thought we were you know we thought

[00:17:41] we were gonna set the world at a lion we were we were talking about you know I remember talking to my mother for Ian about like you know we'd split she's like if you write the songs you should

[00:17:50] get them on me so well from the tuck shop you know we you know we were we were in love with it and and even though we were terrible there was just it was just it was beautiful and you

[00:18:09] know play I remember playing shows in high school people being there and it was it was great I felt it felt awesome yeah I can imagine it is it's that freedom of expression

[00:18:23] right especially at that age yeah like you say when you're sort of figuring out who you are anyway yeah you are in all seriousness you are dealing with like hormones and confusing stuff so it's

[00:18:32] just have an outlet of course he with your mates and just make a bunch of noise and get out your system yeah exactly you know everyone everyone at that age feels like them they're misunderstood and that you know you're certainly looking for acceptance and so to find

[00:18:48] your three other people who enjoyed the same music as I did and had similar aspirations even though they were you know pie in the sky age you know you find a camaraderie you know I don't speak to any

[00:19:02] of them like I was spoken to any of them for years but you know it is that you kind of find your little gang and then yeah and you know and you go from this is something I do my

[00:19:17] bedroom to this is something that can be realized you know however poor exactly yeah and I guess from there then you're just following that journey and you know when did it sort of become like an

[00:19:29] official thing for you and you're like right okay I've got some experience now I want to pursue this I want to pursue songwriting as a as a career um I mean it's gonna sound affected

[00:19:41] but as soon as I got that guitar you know I referenced being good at school I was kind of yeah you know again in a very calm as a gifted child and there were direct talks of me

[00:19:57] being moved up a year in school and all this kind of stuff because of my brightness and why have you which turned out to be not true but um and and an inaccurate assessment

[00:20:11] of my cognitive abilities but I knew I just knew and so my parents will attest I said oh I'm going I'm going to be a musician no matter what and so I every decision that I made

[00:20:29] was for music so I joined another band from the town next to mine when I was if Dean I was in that band for two years and then my parents decided that we were gonna move to West Wales from North Wales

[00:20:44] okay and so I moved there I didn't want to because I had this band and finally got a girlfriend after being you know and painfully lanky and thin pale ginger it was actually someone who found

[00:20:58] me attractive and so I obviously didn't want to move away from that person um but we moved and I think I was there for three and a half years and the whole time I was there I was writing songs

[00:21:11] in my bedroom and saying like I'm going to move back and do that band and I did that so I'm moved back in 2000 and 2004 so we moved in 2000 and the 2000 and I moved back in 2004

[00:21:26] did that band then for five years we had like label interest and we was the had a digital deal with a label in New York I felt like in some small way I'd realized my goals I

[00:21:40] realized now that I hadn't um and then when that band finished it was I was 20 or I think um yeah and I was okay well what do I do now do I do I go to uni or do I go travel in

[00:21:57] and I thought I was just a well I'm a musician so I'm gonna go to a city where there's a music scene start a band and and see this through and bright you know even though I'd written songs

[00:22:10] at that point for nearly ten years I wasn't really involved in songwriting and in the band I went back to you so Bristol and St. Pierre was kind of okay well let's go and see if

[00:22:21] these songs can go anywhere um and so yeah it was always it was instant and and lifelong it was just clarity this is this is who I am and this is what I'm gonna do. Nice I like it yeah

[00:22:38] and as far as then when you find the right people they're kind of fitting with that it's it's easier right it's easier to take those ideas and grow them so yeah I'm curious with with you and your band

[00:22:47] and yeah would Saint Pierre like how does the sort of writing process go with you guys they use sort of like mainly like um on lyrics some melodies it's sort of what's what's your approach

[00:22:58] to all of that because it obviously is a mix there's a mix of you in that band. So when I when that buck the band in north Wales finished I wrote demos on my own so I had like a little

[00:23:10] electric drum pad and I'd flush out terrible drum beats um beats that weren't terrible but were played awfully um yeah based on uh put guitar down so I would I wrote maybe I don't know

[00:23:28] 200 songs or something like that maybe maybe more in that in that two years before me it's a Bristol and then when I moved to Bristol I had those songs recorded so I showed them no matter

[00:23:39] few I met Zach in original drum-off Sam and my friend Carl who I was living with in north Wales came with and they were you know and then Zach heard this, Zach was a friend of Sam's and heard

[00:23:54] the songs and um was just just we were at a party at a south one day and you said I just want to be a part of this um I remember believing the songs and so we I've always wanted it to be a kind of

[00:24:09] collaborative affair but for a number of reasons it's always it's always kind of been just me putting everything together in the early days before I knew how to you know record on a laptop

[00:24:24] I was just coming with ideas and kind of tap out or show the drummer up poorly how I wanted the drums to go and we would do it like that um and then yeah that's just kind of continued

[00:24:40] I mean there we I there is space for people to to contribute and to bring ideas in and there's always the if there's an idea and it's shared we try it and if it works and if it's better then

[00:24:58] what I envisaged for the for the song and we'll keep it and if not we we well and we're all kind of attuned to that we're kind of yeah we've been doing it for long enough that we we kind of know

[00:25:11] yeah yeah you've got like a sound you sort of like nice yeah whether it moves or so sure or you know and so there's conversations and decisions made around like the length of a

[00:25:26] part or you know the structure of a song but primarily it's kind of I bring in pretty much particularly for galore because it was written in lockdown they were all recorded on logic pro and then

[00:25:43] nice I would they would well would say okay well this is kind of the sound that I've got out of out of the laptop yeah now it's your responsibility to make that happen through pedals and

[00:25:57] and what have you yeah so it's very long when did answer I kind of I know it's all the yeah I kind of write the majority of it okay yeah I mean by the way it's a podcast there's no such

[00:26:12] okay and I'll tell you the longest answer I ever had to a question was I think it was 12 minutes okay um chance accepted exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I to this day that has not been

[00:26:23] beat actually that was like three years ago but that is a long time can you remember what the question was it was um so as you might have heard of him there's singing a structure to Chris Lee pay he's

[00:26:33] quite big on YouTube now like really good stuff and we had a really lovely chat and look down I asked him just how he got started with singing and he just went off and just like and I

[00:26:42] thought I didn't interrupt I just obviously as a host I was just like well just sat back and he gave me his history all the way from the stuff I had right the way up until like present day and I'm like

[00:26:52] brilliant like that and yeah I've had similar responses in other episodes where I've asked a question I'm like I know this is a loaded question and I just sit back and I sort of see yeah are we going

[00:27:02] to beat that time one day it will happen and I'll just insert like random celebration noises to go to this time note yeah just like surreptitiously putting a timer on out absolutely

[00:27:15] screen like go yeah I mean I've been known to put jingles and all sorts in my podcast now so yeah I will probably do that in the future but no going back to your answer I loved that and I was curious

[00:27:25] yeah because I'm always fascinated by the different dynamics and approaches to people have to writing songs and I'm I think you with your music because I've been listening to a lot of it you primarily focus on singing right so you're not really playing anything live live yeah yeah

[00:27:42] yeah I do play guitar if you know and then but yeah yeah yeah that's what asked the impression I got so yeah I'm fascinated by the idea of you then coming into basically writing almost like multi

[00:27:53] instrumental kind of getting your headspace in the other instruments to put it all together because I think some people are listening might be surprised by that they might think oh okay I just assumed you write the lyrics or the melody whereas yeah and I'm looking at the whole

[00:28:08] structure of a song yeah we've had that quite you know remember very early on playing with a band in Bristol and I who very much enjoyed what what we were doing and we went for drinks with them and

[00:28:24] their guitarists came up to me afterwards and was like hang on you write you write everything I was yeah like yeah I do but not like kind of like yeah of course I do type of way I was like yeah

[00:28:37] no I do and he's like you know that's insane like good but to me it was just you know that's just how I'd written songs I didn't have a band for those those two years I

[00:28:50] learned outplay drums to be able to communicate with guitarists in the drummer in my old band because they were brothers I would literally have fist fights because you know drum the drum I didn't know anything about guitar and the guitarists didn't know anything about drumming so

[00:29:08] the guitarists would be like what I'm what I need you to do is go like yeah so I learned how to translate I would learn I would learn drums and then I learned drums so I could go

[00:29:22] Tony what he means is I know I just became you know another thing to explore and and a tool for writing songs you know it's kind of like right I can play drums but I'm certainly not

[00:29:43] a drummer but it just it helps in in terms of actually writing it allows me to kind of start from different points you know it means that ideas you know for the the title track in

[00:30:03] no that's a lie actually the the title track was starting of guitar but say a song like things to do in Dambi when you're dead off a pre-social untay that was yeah that was I had that idea for

[00:30:18] a drum beat and put that down first and then wrote everything else over it so yeah it just kind of it offers up a bit of freedom to explore and go into different territories

[00:30:35] yeah of course I mean it's funny because listening to the same here in particular like I was thinking about that and the kind of style that it sort of lends itself in like to that alternative

[00:30:47] music it's I've always found what I like about that is it's might sound a bit strange but bear with me just the idea that I thought I always find the music the instruments feed off each other

[00:30:58] in that kind of music you know as you can listen to other styles and it can be very much okay this instrument is leading the song yeah you know like in jazz it can be any instrument that could lead the

[00:31:09] metal it's usually guitar you know country it's you know again maybe the vocal line or the melody and so on and so forth what I like about the alternative is it's like sometimes the bass is leading

[00:31:20] the song and everyone feeds around that at the times it's you've got a riff we've got a like you did just then like a quick punk drum beat yeah oh I like that and everyone just kind of hops on

[00:31:28] yeah that train and you're off so it makes sense for that kind of music to understand the different components and I guess there's that help you then in terms of writing songs because you feel like

[00:31:39] you can just get inspiration from any particular corner then yeah and yeah absolutely you can you know you you can hear if you have a you know a shorty understanding of how a drum a drum kit works

[00:31:57] yeah you don't necessarily have to listen to drums to be able to right to find inspiration or you know for more to be more accurate to pillage something and try and re-invent it you know you can loving homage I prefer yeah exactly I'm very much so I'm not

[00:32:20] annoying not to to things but yeah you know from like traffic to an engine ticking over to you know the sound of a bass or anything you know the amount of time you've been on a bass and

[00:32:34] and heard like a rhythm and gone that's it and like tapped out my phone was on the other beatboxed it you know it's kind of and then you know if beatboxed it in a way from other people

[00:32:47] of course you know yeah the second person to have said that yeah like six hundred bass like a like a lunatic but yeah so it does um it just yeah and it allows you to

[00:33:04] imagine a finish piece or before we were would record the demos I would go in and give everyone their parts and I think the prime example of this is I omens of Capri Soshante which is a very basic riff but all of like the additional instrumentation

[00:33:26] I could hear that in my head and I just didn't we didn't have the means to put that down before we went into the studio so they were having an understanding of like different how to play different

[00:33:42] music instruments and where they sit in a mix kind of then allows you to kind of paint over the top of them we also kind of like chicly call it like sprinkle the gold dust on it so you

[00:33:55] put down there you put down the the kind of bass of the of the song the foundations of the song and then it says little sparkles there's little there's little nuances

[00:34:11] a catch the eye a catch the eye catch the ear and you're able to kind of build that in your head and build a full picture of of what is going to sound like at the end which is which is as

[00:34:27] a blessing but occurs because I'm not so much now that I can record these ideas and get them out but before I would just carry them around and they would just swat your washer around my brain until

[00:34:42] until we got them out hmm it's great you know it's wonderful like I look you know and I love I just love it I love like rattling around in my brain my wife not so much because

[00:35:02] she can tell when it's happening because I think she'll be talking and she'll yeah you're right music in your head or you know I'm not I'm not I'm I'm a rambling I'm listening and I'm not writing

[00:35:17] I'm arranging I'm arranging parts that already exist yeah I love that I love that and I got to say yeah the technology that we have nowadays I mean it's it's great for that isn't it

[00:35:33] for somewhere it's especially as you say like if you're somebody like I do stuff demos at the minute and I'm not a drummer and I don't have room for a drum kit as such but get many drums

[00:35:44] yeah we can get MIDI keys or like a little bass or whatever you said if there's no longer limitations so much as there you can just have an idea you can find a way to craft a version of it yeah

[00:35:55] I mean you can I got a logic pro in lockdown to start writing bass lines and send them to Falco from a clasque and then I would kind of a started experiment and then start doing

[00:36:12] St. Pierre demos on there and just even the the drum kit library on there is yeah extensive like absolutely extensive you can pretty much get any type of drum kit or sound like

[00:36:26] any type of sound of a of a drum kit you're not going to get like specific models and what have you but yeah and looking at videos on you can essentially mix a live drum kit if you know

[00:36:43] what you're doing with like compressors and gates and all of that kind of stuff you can have a full studio setup on your computer for digital drums and it's insane like you know an

[00:36:58] a synth library like every a lot of the sense almost all of the sense on galore were not played on real sense they're just literally me typing or typing in like DG learning how to do that and they've got you know everything everything's on there so it's just

[00:37:17] it's just another way of you know exploring and making mistakes until something sounds good interesting yeah I like that expression though yeah it making mistakes until something sounds good I guess that's us a really good mantra I would say for anyone right learning to write songs right

[00:37:35] yeah that's what it's you know it's I think it's the best way of learning you know even we were talking about taking a photo you take that phone quickly it's likely it's not going to be great

[00:37:49] but you've taken the photo and it's there and then you can assess why it's not going so maybe the compositions off you have your vandox spodes or it's not weighted very well it's the same with

[00:38:01] with songs you know you kind of you can listen back and you do it long enough you have an intuition something isn't quite right in that section and what is it and you can you know having

[00:38:16] the technology allows you to strip it away so you can take your guitars out and see if is it something in the bass and the drums so yeah so yeah I'm actually going to keep saying

[00:38:29] it's great because I do I I don't know if I've mentioned this I absolutely love it so no and I I love that and I want to dive a little into your influences just pivot into that a bit

[00:38:40] is you mentioned a bunch of different bands obviously growing up they're kind of the metal the punk that's the all that stuff that swirls around and obviously how young age you're just

[00:38:48] kind of like a sponge aren't you are just taking in whatever comes your way but yeah I'm wondering what influences you like to go to particularly when writing music nowadays and sort of how that's

[00:38:59] evolved over the years um this is quite tough because we've our sound is evolved quite a lot there's always been has yeah and so but the kind of the way that I explained it to the

[00:39:16] the lads and the first iteration of the band was that they were going to be several iterations of of St. Pierre right but there was kind of the way that the we approach it is like there's a

[00:39:30] core like same maybe two or three bands so the first album was very much kind of what would the Bronx and every time I die in my closkey sound like as a band but yeah covering a different

[00:39:45] band so like sex dungeons and dragons on the first album is that what would those three bands if they were in a room together what would they sound like covering the birthday party or what

[00:39:57] what would they sound like covering you know night clubbing by Iggy Pop and then you know on the the second album it was more kind of like what would the chariot and converge sound like kind of

[00:40:15] with pop elements and this album was very much like you know what would must sugar and one for a great sugar and the chariot sound like if they were covering soul wax and LCD sound

[00:40:29] system so there's kind of the influences a 100% kind of from the aesthetic that we have which runs through or which is like a heavy band of heavy alternate band and but the kind of other influences which I think of the influences that make it exciting for me anyway

[00:40:58] they vary from from album to album so I kind of short-trying diving so for Galore I listened to German techno for nice for weeks and it that I Falco called me one day and was I

[00:41:15] hey how's it going I've been listening to a lot of German techno he's like I'm really sorry to hear that hey there's a wrong with a bit of crap I know so you know but yeah so I kind of

[00:41:28] I always go back a little you know Michelle go the band I listened to more than any other now that wasn't interesting wasn't always the case but yeah I was I've been in like the top

[00:41:40] 0.5% listeners in of spotify for them for like the last four or five years so if I if I mean it's a shame or whatever I'm doing yeah I listen to them but you know I still listen to

[00:41:55] like a lot of soul music my you know blues brothers was a big thing in my house and so yeah I kind of try and put elements of that like I love Billy Holiday and so like a lot of their kind of crumed

[00:42:10] and more kind of melodic stuff on the Saint Pierre albums are kind of influenced by soul and Billy Holiday and Frank Sinatra and all that kind of stuff so yeah it's kind of yeah

[00:42:28] that's a lovely mix you've got going on there. I think it's I think it's the I think is the only way to kind of find your own voice is to 100% you know I think and this is not a a slide on on anyone who writes

[00:42:46] music but you know I think there's certainly people are very happy and content with being a product of their influences direct product at the point where you can go all these they they are the

[00:43:00] this band is in their lineage you know particularly you know there's like a resurgence of like metal core and stuff like that there's been here that directly in it whereas for me I think you know

[00:43:18] it's important it's important to me anyway to have your own voice in the way that you kind of differentiate yourself from those types of bands or it's to bring in as many different

[00:43:30] influences as you can and try and reimagine it and excuse me just try and paint with as many different colours as you can to see if you can create something not necessarily new but some from

[00:43:44] which is you and your world yeah I think it's important to kind of have a wide spectrum of influences because as we said you know similar to playing different instruments that allows you to start from a different point or a different perspective right

[00:44:07] yeah no I like that and Junius that's something that has been a thread in this entire series pretty much everyone I was spoken to has said something quite similar that they all kind of

[00:44:19] at fact everyone I was spoken to really has their own unique approach to their style of music and it all comes from exactly what you're talking about taking a mix of influences you know I've had

[00:44:29] guys that do country that are huge metal heads and guys that metal heads that listen to loads of pop you know and vice versa and everything else in between and it just yeah it's something that stands out

[00:44:41] to me quite a lot and I think is a constant message that I'm personally trying to take on board as a musician myself as someone who loves music as yeah keep your options open listen to a lot

[00:44:53] listen to as much as possible because like you say if it helps you then to kind of get that creative spark and try something new or explore and you sound yeah you can it can only be good right

[00:45:04] exactly and you know even so with what we found with kind of the approach that we had of like core three bonds covering another bond yeah never it never ends up sounding how you think it's

[00:45:19] gonna sound it always ends up so now the law is a prime example of that you know the plan was to make an album that sounded like mashaga doing so works and LCD sound system

[00:45:32] and I think you can hear the intent there but it doesn't sound like mashaga it doesn't sound like a mashaga album with you know you know a Belgian man singing over the top of it it sounds it sounds

[00:45:46] like you know something else and yeah that's the beauty of it you know that the perceived destination or the intended destination is almost always not where you end up but that's a great

[00:46:03] thing you know it's gonna be taking somewhere else and that's the beauty of it like you say it just it gives you you it helps you to realise that there are the only rules that there are

[00:46:15] when it comes to songwriting other rules that you say yourself and you know there's no absolutely no reason why you can't put a choir on a hard course on like the chariot or a harp or you know have

[00:46:28] or have a gospel have a gospel section and a hardcore album you know it's not it's like you didn't no one say and you can't do that so why not see what it sounds like and I find that yeah

[00:46:41] it's one of those things where even if someone does tell you that you know or you shouldn't do that that's not going to work the advice I've gotten from all of my guests is ignore that

[00:46:52] all the down because you'll just chances are you'll discover something new and that's how new genres get born I actually go's I'm gonna try this and this and people might think

[00:47:01] I don't know about that but then oh actually well that's quite I like that and then you're off exactly and you know and the key thing to this is like you know I'm saying all of this stuff from

[00:47:12] my experiences and how I've arrived at my destination and my approach to writing songs that's not to say that anyone here should listen to it and you know and all that that

[00:47:28] I am any way shape or form kind of like an authority on how to write music you know for for example I remember I used to work at the golden line in Bristol with the

[00:47:42] the boys for my dolls and I remember they're playing me mother of their first album for the first time in a in a locking and it got to the chorus and I was I'd make you cannot have a

[00:47:57] you cannot have a song that says that but the chorus is mother you know like you could like you've got mud and then that was the song that kind of launched you know from well dirt and that was

[00:48:13] the one that you know everyone wanted to hear and so you know that I've been writing songs for you know nearly 20 odd years at that point and it proved to me that I don't you know I know about what

[00:48:27] I do it's not to say that you know it has any work bears any way on what other people do it's so that would be kind of you know my advice to everyone is like listen and try and then

[00:48:43] ignore if it's enough if you're convicted in what you're doing then it really doesn't matter why anyone else has oh absolutely yeah I just just remind of me with idols there's like oh yeah

[00:48:56] they just have put an album I didn't edit it yeah it's now gonna have to listen to that now it's great you know you know in the spirit of what we've been talking about they've really

[00:49:06] kind of challenged themselves and gone off in a new direction which you know we talk about you know galore was a brave move for us it was a you know it was a left turn but like you know that's

[00:49:17] be honest we don't have a large audience and so it wasn't we weren't in danger of crippling our blossoming careers but with a band like idols to take creative risk like that does take enormous

[00:49:31] courage and yeah it's just it's a funny one I'd love to get your perspective on this this Damien kind of feels like for some bands you damn if you're doing damn if you don't right like in terms of

[00:49:44] some people just want to hear you do the same album oh yeah you know five times in a row and other people and then but then obviously someone say well that's boring and so it's you sometimes

[00:49:54] feel like I sometimes hear this an interview with artists always getting frustrated with not knowing what to do and why right and thinking that your solution to that is just follow your instincts

[00:50:05] yeah and do what you're doing and hey if people come on the journey with you great if they don't fair enough yeah I mean it it comes down to the individual and sure as we discussed they'll

[00:50:18] there are bands that are quite happy to sound like the bands that they listen to like yeah yeah remarkably close to the bands that they listen to yeah and that is absolutely fine if

[00:50:32] if that's what makes them excited when they go in stage or go in a studio and keep doing that if you're like me the thought of going on stage and playing the same type of songs for the

[00:50:47] rest of my life kind of fills me with it with a bit of dread I kind of show I want you know I want and I know it is kind of cliche but I want to be challenged and you know there's this beautiful

[00:51:03] thing about writing music when the idea that you try in the room works but if you're doing the same idea if all of your ideas are the same ideas or similar ideas that kind of spark guys

[00:51:18] guys down a little bit for me anyway you kind of like oh that just sounds like something we've done before when you try something which is risky and you pull it off it's exciting because it's new and

[00:51:29] you know in the in the same way that everyone thinks that the latest the last song they wrote is their best song ever and until they write the next song you're always chasing that kind of spark

[00:51:41] well I am anyway and what excites me is having sparks from different places and but again that's it's about its individual preference you know and I suppose in some sense when you get

[00:51:57] to a certain level it's fiscal return as well you know I would you rather jeopardize your chances of having a sustained career and prolonged career or do you want to run the risk of alienating your

[00:52:17] audience and that goes away I'm not sure you know I've never been in that position so it was quite easy for me to kind of ban stand or grandstand wherever is sure you're like oh you know

[00:52:30] be artistically pure but you know I do agree well find out if you sell out enough years I know well don't you? I'll just use this episode as a clickbait then yeah sorry get further

[00:52:48] oh no nothing we make me feel more gross inside if I did but anyway yeah I do I think that's a good point to raise and you're right I think yes certainly if if somebody makes it to a certain level

[00:53:02] but then I always I don't know maybe I'm very naive Damon I've always personally been of the belief I'm following the artist from the journey yeah even if they put out an album which I kind of go

[00:53:12] yeah you know I think well if I go and see them live they're going to play a bunch of the hits yeah mixed in with whatever's new so it's not that much of a risk really for if an

[00:53:24] out if an artist puts an album out and you go you know what I didn't really vibe with that I always think there'll be another one yeah and who cares and who's to say that the artist doesn't feel like

[00:53:35] that as well you know how many of you say you don't know yeah it's you know like we say that we were talking about you know you make a mistake yeah you keep making mistakes until

[00:53:45] something sounds good and you know for for instance you know good law is a song in the album called that there's fight in talk which is kind of you know very it's meant to be a techno song I don't

[00:53:57] think that we pulled it off you know I listen to that song and I think just there's just something that I love the idea behind it I love the intent but it's and I don't think we quite pull

[00:54:10] it off and I for a long while I was considering not having that on the album because I wasn't I wasn't convinced by it but then friend of mine was like it's just a song like don't be afraid

[00:54:29] yeah it's not the end of the world and we put it out as a single one believeably I didn't know when near as well I get to know where near as much engagement as the first two

[00:54:39] singles and that kind of you know reinforced my belief that we hadn't quite nailed it but it was a mistake you know that's it we we you learn from it and I'll never you have my word

[00:54:57] and you all an idea of our fans you're asking you half my word I will never try to do a song like that again now if you're too busy working on naturalities

[00:55:11] clear with a full orchestra just to go yes yeah in a five over four jazz timing just oh yeah the trisement really technical really like this yeah love it I love it but I like that and I think yeah I do think artists should be not

[00:55:31] afraid to take risks yeah and just try new things and like say worst case scenario if it doesn't stick you kind of go well and you know I imagine as well as pescius the more you do this right

[00:55:42] and the more you go on tours in particular you bring in live shows you're not going to play every song anyway so if you have a song anymore you sit with it you go ah do you know what

[00:55:51] I just yeah that one didn't really work or yeah doesn't really vibe you can just put it to one side and you can go well we tried something it's there exactly and you just leave it alone exactly

[00:56:02] I mean you know we kind of you know cast an over game which was the first single first single we released off um oh no wasn't actually the mystery was the first single but like cast an over game for

[00:56:14] us was out this is the big radio one you know so be the one that everyone you know this couple was up into the next year of uh of of the UK music scene um we we don't play that song

[00:56:30] live you know really no we don't we don't play it one because it's very difficult to play like it's very worthy um and it's quite and we have to we can't play it in the key it was written in

[00:56:42] because it sounds two muddy so we have oh um and so yeah and it's just kind of it's not yeah the the initial excitement we had writing that song and recording it is kind of dwindled a

[00:56:55] little bit and we don't okay we don't really enjoy it that much doesn't have to say it's a mistake I like that song but it doesn't really we don't find it that exciting to play um so we don't

[00:57:09] play it that often that's not to say we won't play it again and it's not completely off the table but to kind of tie it into what you're saying you write the sadness you don't mean yeah that's it

[00:57:21] I mean you got to enjoy what you're doing right exactly well if you know 100% now who wants to go and you know see a band that looks bored I've been there it's not fun yeah I'll disband it you know

[00:57:34] how many times have you seen it where bands end up despising their biggest hit and feel and it'll refuse to refuse to play it right it's heartbreaking isn't it yeah are you you wrote that once

[00:57:46] that was your that was your little baby yeah at one moment or for many moments and days and weeks a month leading up to the release of that album with that song all of you in that band

[00:58:01] with thinking this is the one this is the one that's gonna get us there and then when it got you there you are like ah no we're stuck with it forever but they're not on no and on that no I

[00:58:16] want to ask you how you feel about writing music versus playing live because from this conversation I'm gathering your song is very passionate about the writing process putting it together and assembling

[00:58:28] so yeah how do you feel about life performance there's something you really enjoy you just kind of take it away there well um I I love it like I do love it but it's um it's secondary for me I get

[00:58:48] to enjoy a book and you know it affords me you know I've just come back from the states with a after touring with with McCloskey which is the first time I've done the East Coast and the Midwest

[00:59:01] and I had some nice magical experiences and you know and some mates and memories and made friends with people um and I'll cherish those those those experiences um but if someone

[00:59:17] asked me if you know to choose to do one thing for the rest of my life it wouldn't be performing it would you know if I if I can someone said you have you can perform but you have to stop writing

[00:59:31] there wouldn't that the whole that that inside me that that would create would be far far greater than not performing and I'm a massive show pony I can I am a you know

[00:59:45] I'm a peacock I absolutely love the attention you know or I was talking about I never get nervous you know big shows the blood in the band a lot you know of been nervous and I'm like what

[00:59:57] two thousand eyes looking at me as please that's pretty you know I you know I you know like I admire you're honest yeah you know and self-awareness yeah you know I am you know I

[01:00:12] lean in so it means be fair David if you're a front man who was the other way around that would be quite painful yeah yeah exactly you know you know and you know yeah you know you've got to know

[01:00:22] yourself right but yeah but so you know I kind of it didn't used to be like that or certainly when we started you know right releasing an album was a means of getting more people to your shows

[01:00:36] and I think not that right it's the case for lots of artists and of course as I've got older I kind of I want more people to be at the shows so we can continue to make albums so my kind of

[01:00:51] the the priorities have changed a little bit because I I realize that you know what I want to do is have you know be seven years old and look back at hopefully a cut

[01:01:04] log I mean the the length of time it takes us to release albums it'll be a very small cut look but I guess what you can be proud of I can't look nonetheless exactly and you know and

[01:01:15] and have those memories from playing live but it'll be the it'll be the albums and and achieving them yes from concept or conception all the way through to execute and then releasing you know those are

[01:01:31] those are the ones like my favorite moments of being a musician other than that initial point where it sounds great in the room is being an studio like it's just wonderful it's like a playground

[01:01:49] and you get to hear these ideas just be brought to life and they sat near the speakers in studio just immense and you just hear you can feel the power of something that you've written it's

[01:02:02] just a beautiful so beautiful for saying and I'm you know I need that in my life as long as possible yeah absolutely man yeah so I want to ask a bit about this some life playing with

[01:02:16] with my clusky that's like a gun for higher kind of thing then no you've actually joined I am now officially the bassist in my clusky and well have lovely I've been really have been for for five six years now but it's only really been the last

[01:02:37] year or so where we've gone okay that's that's not just go like we talked about exactly that tied into what what we're discussing yeah we're like let's write some new music because it's been a while for those guys I'm just sort of looking through there yeah well they

[01:02:54] look they were kind of their first release I believe was 2000 and they did like let's give you Dallas which is kind of their marquee album and yeah and in 2002 and then the difference between you and me is that I'm not fire was 2004 and then they split up

[01:03:13] that year I think future left release their first album 2000 and in 2006 or seven yeah and you know so my clusky was away for 10 years before I got involved but it's a it's a completely different experience because you know and say yeah the people who were there

[01:03:35] to see us be based on the music that I've written so there's this for me it's with there's a room full of people for a Saint Pierre show there is a great sense of achievement with that but clusky is very much they those shows feel like a celebration

[01:03:59] because of because of the amount of time they've been away but that's still still I love it I mean like it's just you know I mean my favourite band playing my favourite songs in countries I've got

[01:04:15] no business being in too I was gonna ask I think like yeah just because you're clearly a fan so yeah it was nice the air to have that sort of like a pinch of your moments are like yeah enjoying this and

[01:04:25] almost have like pressure off to want to front or do any things much as you enjoy it right yeah just sit back almost in that kind of rhythm pockets and then just take it all in yeah

[01:04:35] I get to playing bass in the clusky I get to move and dance to those songs as I did when I would listen to them at home and and and everyone is looking up far go ahead and

[01:04:49] and then we've just you know established that I am a show pony the um yeah the joy of that I'm just I'm able to lose myself a lot more in a in a clusky performance and I am with Saint

[01:05:03] Pierre because I have to sing I have to think about you know if I'm playing guitar or adding synths or triggering a sample or something like that there's a lot going on and I have to be on top

[01:05:16] of everything whereas my clusky I just get to mincer around and and and flail around like a full half the time on my life so they're both so really enjoyable but for different reasons yeah so you're thinking in there's potential to have new music with that

[01:05:38] thanks so we're going in the studio we've we've recorded we put an EP out or a double A side last year and off the back of that we've been speaking to a label from the states and the plan is to

[01:05:54] go in the back end of tune and finish of do three days get as much down as we can and then go back in September and do another two days and just gather finished and hopefully release a new album

[01:06:09] next year which is um surreal as it is excited and yeah that'll be wild it's like nearly yeah in any 20 years since the year since the break up I mean that'll be that'll be quite a return

[01:06:23] it just needs to be good don't it that's the thing yeah yeah yeah well you're the base player me like obviously you've got to hold down the foot in terms of the rhythm and everything but

[01:06:33] yeah in some ways you can kind of fresh as often well you say that but you know I've seen this in the uh in the view I did recently if it's rubbish then I am the only kind of um outlier

[01:06:49] really I'm kind of there look at the band ago well screw it and I was saying Falco was in it Jack was in it and it was good then so what's different higher this guy yeah but you know the kind

[01:07:03] of the dynamic there to kind of quickly go off in a dungeon in terms of writing is that um you know those two have been in future a left or you know best part of 15 or nearly 20 years now and um

[01:07:18] and so they're writing is kind of attuned to a future the left so the difficult but we've hard is me being in my favourite band with two of my favourite sessions having to go

[01:07:33] assounds like future laugh lads like you know it doesn't it doesn't quite sound like a close ski so there's a and so there's another you know there's a particular challenge with writing music from

[01:07:45] a close ski which is that it can't sound prestige but it can't sound too far removed and it can't sound like future left or Christian fitness factors other other other

[01:07:59] project that he does and so with there's a lot you know more than any other band left been in there's more kind of discussions around what is and isn't working what does and doesn't constitute a mechowski song so it's really interesting because it's not something I've

[01:08:17] had to do before and it is a judge but yeah because you're not just going with your gut on this right you haven't just factor in a legacy in other people's thoughts and processes yeah it's absolutely

[01:08:28] that you know there is more than ever the audience for the listener is considered for me anyway yeah sure what I mean as a fan right as well you do sort of think like that like what would

[01:08:42] I want to hear absolutely that's what that's what I say like all of the songs that we play live the new songs that we've written I've said this you know if I came to a matursky show 20 years later

[01:08:55] heard this I'd be in there I would be in there you know but you we just have it we're just different Saint Pierre we don't really write a lot of songs or I don't write a lot of songs are kind

[01:09:08] of having idea of what we're going to do and then kind of go about it with matursky because it's very much written in the room you know there's hundreds of ideas already and it's about

[01:09:20] kind of sifting through them and finding one idea that kind of excites the three of us and then explore in that so it's good you know there is also you know the dynamic which is Falco

[01:09:37] is arguably or was certainly my biggest musical influence and now I'm in a band with him especially particularly lyrically and so you know you're having to tell the person who you know without whom

[01:09:55] your band probably wouldn't exist I don't like that mate oh maybe do this we have you considered doing this you know it's bizarre but you know thankfully you know we're over that

[01:10:16] it's kind of good yeah it's very much i think he's an idiot and he thinks I'm an idiot and therefore we can speak to each other candidly you know that's nice I like that I like that it's

[01:10:29] funny you say that because i was listening to both bands today and i did find myself thinking like yeah i can hear the influence between these two and the similar scenes which is nice and it's nice

[01:10:40] that yeah it's almost like a nice full circle moment right yeah yeah it's gonna be a part of that yeah for sure you know um but Falco asked me to sing John's parts initially because

[01:10:53] Julie was on bass and i just got on and sing her part I was like i just thank it was a look thank you so much man this is this is incredible and he was like you were the obvious choice you know

[01:11:05] but because i'd ingested that music and you know it was all i talked about when i got to Bristol was my class gain up which i love them and so you know again advice to uh people out there if you

[01:11:21] kiss a few bum cheeks you might get what you wanted. hey you never know exactly just you know it's you know it's like we were talking like just before we started and yeah how we met it's yeah sort of my eyes are being open to that just reminded

[01:11:35] it for all humans at the end of the day and yeah once you went into that circle you were just it's quite yeah it's quite easier sort of float around just yeah yeah you just realised very quickly that

[01:11:48] there as ridiculous as you were yeah yeah and e and far and you know and rule the same exactly yeah it's like you know i was kind of i've said you know i say that to

[01:12:07] people you know it rarely happens but on the modification where people you know i meet people after shows and they they appear to be kind of somewhat star-struck which is insane it's

[01:12:20] an insane idea to me um you i was saying them like you know they're like oh my god i can't believe i'm working on office mate like you know i'm i'm working on office like i am i am you particularly

[01:12:35] with my class kid like i am a fan of this band like yeah you know it's like i'm an idea and that's kind of how you should sort of view your peers i think as uh as just human beings you know

[01:12:52] i like that i like that a lot that feels like a really nice note to kind of end things on here probably take a look but yeah but i really appreciate it thank you so much for your time dear man

[01:13:01] no i've been great man thank you so much man and um well i'd like to do take it home as i just hand it over to you where can the good people find you we've talked about your projects

[01:13:09] is there anything coming up that you want to share or where they can go and check you out um you're nice for so there's you know my class kid will be hopefully releasing stuff next year i think around March

[01:13:22] and then so we had a chat about you you know you're not it's a very clean podcast and it has been and i've enjoyed that because it has made me be more considered in the words i'm saying

[01:13:37] happy to help some maybe you know maybe i've learnt something here but um but the name of the kind of twitter and instagram form of claskey is a word that i i can't say so it's underscore

[01:13:51] then the word say i'll just be better if you want to help i think i think i can get around it so it's okay underscore the word for x-crimin that starts with yes before that a word underscore rock

[01:14:06] underscore um i like that's the twitter handle i think the twitter handle is just at yeah x-crimin s um rock and that's what i you know i inherit it that is not really good it's fine it's fine yeah

[01:14:25] exactly um and so yeah well hopefully there'll be some news on that um by the end of the year it was Saint Pierre um i can go into trying my best to get us in this studio next year and

[01:14:39] record an album and so hopefully once um the mcloskey cycle is finished i can i can disappoint my wife even more and release another album and go on another on another tour but um yeah

[01:14:56] and yeah i think that's it i mean you know in years to come it will it'll be like mistakes made and solo projects done no doubt and you can follow us on um the Saint Pierre's snake invasion uh on facebook and an instagram i think it's tspci

[01:15:17] and twitter and and for those any of the people who take an interest in photography i'm trying to grow my thing so it's Damien c-sale uh on instagram i'm gonna have a look there and i take

[01:15:32] candid photos of like backstage and yeah um the tours you know take pictures of you know underground uh legends i snapped David y'all and Bob West Bob Weston from show it's kind of like that's my USB if you look famed if you're relatively famous i'm gonna take

[01:15:55] a photo of you and sell out uh but yes so yeah that's it kind of um exciting it's really exciting and and hopefully hopefully we get to do it for for at least another five six years

[01:16:11] one or two one of us passes away hopefully a lot longer yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm just feeling like i'm not that you want to single digits as well yeah yeah just like really like just finish it

[01:16:24] oh god i've got a really beautiful conversation just for the end one of us will perish think of it five yeah it's been it it's been lovely talking to you we're all gonna die here

[01:16:38] on that note yeah thank you lovely talking to my friend like guys thank you like take and there we have it thank you so much Damien for coming on to the podcast and sharing

[01:16:49] your love for songwriting i hope you guys listening really enjoy the episode do yourself a favor and go and check out both of Damien's bands the St. Pierre Stake invasion and mucklusky

[01:16:59] i've left links in the show notes we can go and check them out as well as Damien's social media pages if you want to go and give them a follow and see what he's up to in the world of photography

[01:17:08] as i said a really interesting guy full of creativity and one to definitely watch in the future thanks again Damien for coming on and i wish you all the best with your future projects

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[01:18:25] is one thing they're getting to go to a festival and do press is something else entirely so thank you to every single one of you who's listening because really without you this isn't

[01:18:37] possible and i promise you what i have coming up is going to be really really awesome my plan is to do a couple of episodes one of which will be dedicated to the people on the stage and the other will

[01:18:49] be dedicated to the people behind the stage it's something that i'm really fascinated by and when everyone have gone to a festival and have been lucky enough to go backstage and always just amazed

[01:19:00] how much work goes into creating something like that the artists themselves of course by a huge role and i definitely want to get their perspective but i also want to share with a perspective

[01:19:10] of those that probably don't know about but don't see but put in so much hard work and clearly love life music so i'm going to share their stories as well it's going to be an amazing couple of episodes

[01:19:23] make sure you keep an eye out for it i'm going to get out as quick as possible and i'll be putting lots of updates on the social media pages about it so make sure you head over to Instagram,

[01:19:32] Twitter, blue sky if you like i mean i've signed up no one seems to be there but you never know it's there also threads and i will make sure that i keep you all posted right that's enough

[01:19:43] from me i've got to think incredibly busy week ahead of me and i cannot wait to share the results with you i'll also be back with another episode for the songwriting season so that's not

[01:19:53] quite finished just yet but it will be really great make sure you stick around for that as well thanks again for listening to the podcast have yourselves a great week and i will see you next week with my 2000 trees specials see you then