Chariots of Fire (1981 Movie)

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Fetch The Smelling Salts. I'm Alice and I'm Kim and this is a podcast all about historical dramas from movies and TV shows to many series from every era and all around

[00:00:21] the world. And we're coming to you live from a beach where we're running and slow motion because we're talking about Chariots of Fire today. Yes, because we know with the Olympics around the corner not just any Olympics but actually we didn't

[00:00:45] realize this and true us fashion we did not realize this when we decided that we were going to watch Chariots of Fire. We thought it'll be great because there's no Olympics this year. But no,

[00:00:56] it is the hundredth anniversary of the 1924 Olympics where Chariots of Fire is set which is also in Paris and this Olympics, the 2024 Olympics, is gonna be in Paris. I know but you know what we're telling everybody we planned it right? Oh but we just told them we just

[00:01:15] shhh forget that yeah forget we said that okay yeah yeah totally planned it so there you go Chariots of Fire. Woohoo yay! So I have never I have never watched it in Entity I realized

[00:01:29] it's one of those movies right? I've watched bits of it here and there and I have very strong memories of Sidden Seen. I mean not just the famous running scene right but I strongly remember another

[00:01:41] you know they're running they're always running the whole thing is about running right but there's another scene which is a set in Cambridge which I like distinctly remember and I remember watching

[00:01:53] it you know I was like oh well I was really young I remember watching on TV with my parents but yeah so I was really happy that I got to watch it in Entity and it's a lovely movie I mean you know

[00:02:05] there were some bits which were just kind of I don't know. I guess also because elis and i we met when we were in Oxford right and we are you know so pretty critical of Sidden Oxfordy ways I guess you know

[00:02:21] so there was Sidden bits of it I was just like oh my god these are all yeah this is just the Oxford maelness yes but all was overwhelming yep at at some points I mean you needed to have a

[00:02:34] sit down and just fan yourself with the straw hat yep but really this is the most lovable movie I had never seen this movie I didn't know anything about this movie I don't know how it went

[00:02:48] so far under my radar I didn't know the song was from anything in particular other than a series of car commercials and we're on when I was younger I had never seen it obviously I didn't know

[00:03:01] shit about about this movie and then when I told my parents who are over visiting that we were doing it my dad was so excited as I love this movie let's watch it let's watch it now so we ended up watching

[00:03:14] it with my parents oh wholesome what is this the first time I'm watching it why did we never watch this before and I loved researching the history of it it reminded me of going back to our

[00:03:27] a league of their own episode hmm we know nothing about baseball hmm and we know a little bit more I feel like about the Olympics because the Olympics are easier to digest especially the athletics

[00:03:39] you know you run for a certain amount of distance you have to be the one that runs the fastest no in that amount of distance you jump a guy sometimes yeah I got it it's also not but

[00:03:52] doing the research for this one I absolutely loved finding out so much about the 1924 Olympics and these dudes which is actually quite fascinating oh yeah so this is actually based on a true story

[00:04:08] okay shall we get to the summary so we can get to talking about the movie properly absolutely all right so it is 1978 in London and we are at the memorial service of Harold Abraham's

[00:04:22] the service is being led by one of his friends and former teammate Lord Andrew Lindsay who pointedly points out that the only two people remaining from their dream team are him and

[00:04:33] Aubrey wanted you we then have a flashback to the famous scene where all these young men are running on the beach to what has now become the iconic chariot of fire tuned so it's like oh my god yes

[00:04:47] so then we have a further flashback where all began for some of the key players and this is Cambridge University in the year 1919 so we see the young Harold entering his college

[00:05:00] which is goneville and keys okay so this is such such immediately right I was like oh my god this is such an Oxford game bridge thing you know I mean because it's because keys is not spelled

[00:05:13] like keys it's like goneville and highest right it's like C-A-I-U-S in the lower words pronounced keys of course it is pronounced keys because it's Cambridge right just like Oxford pronounced Mac the Lin and Smodlin anyway we're in goneville and keys he's with his new friend Aubrey

[00:05:30] and immediately the portal identifies him as a Jew from his name and we get a taste of the awful anti-Semitism that Harold faces in the university and indeed all of his life so nonetheless

[00:05:44] our boy Harold he's determined to make a name for himself and then he participates in the famous Trinity Great Hot Run and this is the scene that young me like remembers okay so he's joined

[00:05:57] it the last minute by his friend and college may Andrew right so he was the one that we you know the old Andrew we see at the start and Andrew right this is just hilarious this is so typical like

[00:06:07] upper class aristocratic like the picture right this Andrew guy like walks in it was like a hello and he was like literally just smoking a cigarette right he was like oh there we go isn't he

[00:06:18] carrying a bottle of champagne as well he's like yeah he's everything I'm just like I hate half running up here you're gonna have a little front around the car oh oh my whole my champagne no

[00:06:30] oh my god did we both transform into upper class we did from the 20s oh my god yep so the challenge is such that participants have to run the perimeter of the college quad in the time it takes for the clock to strike 12 so Andrew first don't

[00:06:47] great sorry you said don't lots of dogs lots of dogs and there's actually only dogs right because it's like back then there was like by the way back then women were not allowed in Oxford and Cambridge so only dogs first clocked on these two guys start running

[00:07:05] and it is a close race but Harold finishes to run and apparently becomes the first person in 700 years to do so I know you're gonna have something to say about that about his historical accuracy

[00:07:21] I hope I remember I was so my notes here that what annoyed me about the scene was that everybody was crowding the you know the lanes in which they're supposed to run they have just

[00:07:33] tiny ass like perimeter to run right and all the idiots are like yeah yeah yeah go go go and I just want to shout out of this get the fuck out away give them space to run give them some

[00:07:44] space what if you're flailing hand get it and that sheves off the hundredth of a second they're happy yeah so yeah I was just so involved in this so Harold wins okay so now over in Scotland we have Eric Liddle at Edinburgh University student in Edinburgh yeah

[00:08:03] and the famous national rugby player so he is hosting a quaint sets of highland games and I think what seems to be his local village we soon find out a bit of his work makes it a quaint

[00:08:14] they only have one caper yeah yeah to share it around yeah it's like so cute find out that he a bit of his history and background so his parents are Christian missionaries and he was born in China

[00:08:27] or as he says he was Oriental born and at which point I laughed I was like oh I was born in Singapore about Oriental born you were yeah yeah like his parents he too is a very devout Christian and

[00:08:43] he plans to follow in their missionary footsteps he's also a very fast runner and his family friend Dandy yeah even thinks that Eric could run in their Olympics and this is much to the disapproval

[00:08:58] and this may of his very annoying and devout sister Jenny I don't know if her alone she has a really cute doll yeah but she's so so so however his father so papa little declares that Eric

[00:09:15] should run for the glory of god so Jenny you know was like shit listen to papa so Eric does put his missionary plans on hold to compete in the races using his wins as platforms to preach so

[00:09:28] I said okay you know pretty cool use of you know that platform if that's what you want to do back in Cambridge herald talks to Aubrey about how despite being born and bred in England

[00:09:38] and seemingly having all the privileges of a good English education you know he was in some fancy school and now he's in Cambridge and stuff you know his Jewish identity constantly poses a roadblock

[00:09:52] as people never really see him as being truly English so however he's determined to prove them all wrong and succeed despite all these challenges and we have our first yes first because there's more than one

[00:10:06] montage in the sport fantasies brought one touch the best kind of montage and it was makes it even more hilarious is that the montage is still just like Gilbert and Sullivan song I mean it

[00:10:19] which is appropriate because what I didn't say is that alongside you know running our dear friend herald here it's part of the Gilbert and Sullivan club so there's this like crazy Gilbert and Sullivan song that is so ridiculously patriotic that there's even this line that goes for

[00:10:36] despite of all temptations to belong to other nations he remains an English man it was just I love it so much I love it it's not even a juxtaposition I think it blends together

[00:10:48] so well it's like butter and sugar you know we just sports but it's at Wartian in English so make it gay we need Gilbert and Sullivan yeah so good it was great I loved it I was so happy

[00:11:03] and I think I I text that you I was like okay I'm only halfway through and there's already a montage so yeah I know you know I love me my montage okay so now word of Eric's abilities

[00:11:18] reaches herald who then goes on to watch Eric run oh yeah and in this awesome run Eric is he's about to his running and he kind of gets pushed over by one of the other runners he falls

[00:11:30] to the side and then he's obviously crazy behind but he gets up and he runs and he beats everybody right and then my work my little note there's like ferramus I've been shooting himself watching this happen however such thing out this competition was not the only reason

[00:11:49] herald was at this you know athletics meet he also went there to a to approach professional running coach Sam Mussabini to kind of convince Sam to train him Sam Mussabini played by billbow

[00:12:02] bagans no yes oh my god yeah oh he's a wonderful character this sorry I should say billbow bagans in the Lord of the Rings not billbow bagans in the Hobbit oh yeah yeah yeah correct your original

[00:12:16] billbow bagans so Mussabini he's intrigued but he doesn't agree just yet instead he says he will keep an eye on herald's progress and then get in touch the pretty soon Eric and herald race against

[00:12:28] each other with Eric beating herald by a mile needless to say herald is devastated but all is not loss as Mussabini may reckless the appears saying he can and will train herald to win by getting

[00:12:41] him to improve his technique and to the second montage montage number 10 oh my god so this time we see both right both mentoring Mussabini is training herald and they're like sandy is training herald

[00:12:55] Eric yeah and they're just kind of like it's just so fucking cool they both involve old timey cars yes yeah or motorcycles their dogs around oh this is the best they're making running faces like

[00:13:10] oh so hard to run yeah like so as gorgeous as this montage is the ladies in these men's lives aren't too pleased so Jenny as you know we know he's still pissed and her brother for delaying his

[00:13:28] missionary activities while herald's girlfriend civil complains to Andrew that herald has been neglecting her okay can we take a moment to talk about this scene right so in the scene we have civil having

[00:13:42] lunch brunch whatever right with Andrew and who is in this ridiculous outfit which I will you know talk about later and then they're like you know having lunch and then they go and they have

[00:13:53] little walk and Andrew's like oh don't worry don't worry you know herald still loves you yeah the other yeah the other and then as you're walking away there's just like sight but like sight seen

[00:14:04] where Andrew's father like like original law Lindsay is trying to write a bicycle with did you you know catch that I'm sorry what you oh my god it's the best thing so so like the camera is

[00:14:17] focused on them but you can see these people this street people in the background yeah and Andrew's father trying to write the bicycle with like two I guess servants around him just stopping from

[00:14:28] falling and then Andrew makes a passing comment that ah he's never gonna get the hang of this oh my god I missed that and in my defense I think I remember he's wearing some kind of a baffled rope yeah

[00:14:40] he's wearing a white baffled it's not even the best most fashionable white baffled we see the kraval yeah so he's wearing a baffled and a kravat and then civil it has a parasol

[00:14:51] yes even though it is not even sunny yeah and so I was so focused on that and the fact that he was clearly hitting on her yeah but also saying it's fine because you have a boy friend

[00:15:06] yeah and I'm so posh that I like transcend sexuality yes and it's fine and we can be besties so I was so focused on kind of that dynamic there was so much going on that I didn't even

[00:15:19] realize that there was an old paucho trying to write a bicycle blanked by buffers of lents yeah it's just is it like it's really is really funny is really juicy so anyway after that happens

[00:15:32] right you know Andrew sends civil off and his car whatever and what does he do he takes off his his robe and his kravat and he tells his man to pour champagne on all these hurdles in his little

[00:15:47] champagne, fancy little champagne, coups right and then it's because he would piece the sights he wants to train because his you know his events is hurt hurtled and his whole point is that

[00:15:57] he's going to jump over hurdles and make sure the champagne doesn't spill I was like that's one way to train I'm afraid I'm gonna forget this little tidbit later so I'm gonna say it now

[00:16:08] so in real life the character is that the character is in a malagamation which we're going to talk about but just in case I forget so there's a there's a herdler that Andrew's partially based on

[00:16:22] who would jump over hurdles at his estate and he would put matchboxes on the hurdles but film producer David Putnam was like we can't have that hit that matchboxes aren't posh make it champagne of course because so while Andrew is busy wasting good olshampade right

[00:16:43] Harold has some real problems to face because the Cambridge College masters they are upset that he has hired Sam was a bini they say that this isn't a Cambridge way and that he has

[00:16:56] Harold has lowered himself to the level of a common tradesman I'm totally sure that if Lord Andrew Lindsay did that same thing and hired a professional that they would be scolding him too yeah that's totally and also nothing and it has nothing to do with Harold Abraham's

[00:17:16] being Harold Abraham's and Sam was a bini being called Sam was a bini exactly and they were like oh it's he's talent and Harold's like half it's a little something like that oh it's a little

[00:17:28] heritage and they're like oh right well thank god you know only half or something and then he's like yeah he's also Arab oh my god you you think they would they have hit to just explode at at that point

[00:17:39] right one of them just drops down like it starts dribbling at the mouth yeah well Harold's having none of their bullshit right he walks away upset well he's you know flully shaken and stuff for a downstairs he gets the glorious news that he and his

[00:17:55] friends have all been selected for team GB he's essentially oh and and Eric is coming to you they're like yeah you know we're all in it oh yeah and Eric's part of this fight so they're all going to be

[00:18:07] on the team together and they're like yeah yeah and and Eric little from Scotland over there he's part of so while boarding the board to France for the Olympics Eric little discovers that the

[00:18:19] heats for his race will be on a Sunday so sticking to his religious convictions to keep the Sabbath holy he tells us a Olympic committee rap dude really isn't going to part this bit into

[00:18:31] heat so this guy is like some lord right lord broken head or something anyway so the arrived from France so this guy is lord guy together with the prince of wheels who was there when they call

[00:18:40] him David right but this is Edward this is the one this is the guy who abdicated yeah so Prince David this is the man who will become for a hot second king Edward the on an al something and then he

[00:18:55] had the words yeah king Edward the something he abdicates and that is how we get the king's speech yes that's how we get the king's speech so you know so because all history just comes from period

[00:19:07] close yeah so you know so Prince of Wales would just go I love looking ahead some other fancy bunch of people they all essentially corner Eric and they try to pressure him to compete

[00:19:19] so just as things are coming to a head right in strolls posh boy Andrew a lord Andrew remember you know who saves the day by offering to give Eric his place in the 400 meters race that will take place

[00:19:32] on Thursday he's reasoning for this is that he's already won the silver medal in the 400 meter hurdles it doesn't really care because he did say earlier that this whole Olympic medal running

[00:19:44] thing where he doesn't mean that much to him because you know he's already rich he's a lot he set for life he don't care so Eric accepts he kept a keep in mind right that he supposedly a short

[00:19:55] distance runner although Mussabini had earlier observed to Harold that you know while Eric you know is fast he really should be going for longer distances so okay so meanwhile Harold runs his 200 meter race is badly beaten by the Americans who are the crowd favorites then however

[00:20:18] he is then stressing for his next race the 100 meters bridge is the big one and we are saying Mussabini there with him however for reasons I still can't understand Mussabini is like band from

[00:20:30] the stadium so Harold has arranged for him to kind of like rent this room which is like within view of the stadium so Ray stay comes along and we have the suit scene where like Harold opens up his like

[00:20:44] his bag you know he's like Jim Pashi Jim bag to find that Mussabini has left him an encouraging note and a good luck charm which he immediately wears around his neck and I don't know they just oh

[00:20:55] won my heart I wanted to know more about what that thing was yeah so he goes on to not only win the race but to set a new record 10.3 seconds this is where my very basic French came in handy

[00:21:10] and my heart just both broke and swelled when I watched the scene in which Mussabini listens to hear the announcement of the winner because he can't see yeah he doesn't know all you know he can only

[00:21:23] find out through listening so he just like sees standing by his window but the window is listening out and he hears the announcement that Harold wins and he just says my son I'm like oh my god and it was

[00:21:36] even better instead instead of celebrating with his teammates Harold goes off to have his little private drunk and celebration he was a bini so I just love this relationship between the two of them

[00:21:48] because I kind of saw them as two people in the boundaries of society you know you have yeah you know and then Harold with like you know somewhere in one foot between high society and not

[00:21:58] quiet and then in the same way like Mussabini like he's his well-known trainer but he's still scorn you know so I just love that relationship oh yeah and we also have don't forget we have Eric right

[00:22:08] so sweetheart that he is our dear Eric goes around wishing the other racers luck so sweet right and then some of the Americans and the trainer they think they're like ah you know this guy's

[00:22:21] not going to be much competition because he's a sprinter he's going to burn out but Jackson Shorts the American favorite who's also a sweetheart fell sent not to underestimate him not only that

[00:22:33] he even goes to Eric and passes him a note of support that quotes lying from the Bible first that meal who 30 yeah so it's like oh do you know what that's just like amazing spots

[00:22:46] but see I mean I think I was just hormonal or whatever that day I was crying at everything right so I was just I really really love like shows of good sportsmanship so Paul and I have been

[00:22:57] watching a lot of like this Korean show called physical 100 and all the contestants are just so lovely and supportive of one another you know so I was like oh anyway so okay need let's

[00:23:08] say our boy Eric beats them all and he wins the gold haha yes you know I would carry him up he's happy and he sees that his sister has come to support him Jenny's come get the dog come

[00:23:26] maybe she had her to the dog was a long this stadium maybe she's gonna like maybe she know of course he was it was 19th grade oh yeah that studio smoking indoors and everything yeah

[00:23:33] they didn't allow Italians but they have little dogs yeah just start yeah I know man so the British team they return home crime for happy happy joy then we returned to the 1970s and Harold's memorial

[00:23:48] and then we have this little you know textural like happy love thing tells us that Harold when goes off to marry his girlfriend civil and he becomes the elder statesman of British

[00:23:59] athletics and he passes away in 1978 so you know a long war life right if you think that he's around the savages Andrew whom we see Eric however he was sad he did not have a long life

[00:24:13] he went on to do in missionary work like he did but sadly died in Japanese occupied China and his death was born by all the Scotland so that but also got to be of course you know and then

[00:24:26] then the movie ends again with the famous running scene and I was in tears and it was beautiful yeah I know it isn't a happy also by the way when you were running the first scene because

[00:24:43] I just hate I hate running and my best friends like she loves running speeder she just you know she by the way if she just complete the marathon while being pregnant I'm sorry

[00:24:55] oh I don't tell you speed as pregnant I know me to a pregnant man pregnant woman got that amazing I know she's so cool I know so anyway she loves running she ran the marathon

[00:25:08] while pregnant meanwhile I hate running so watching this you were right from the start I'm watching you know the opening scene with the running and stuff and I was like look at them running

[00:25:21] I'm running they're running and yes smiling what the hell is wrong with people why are you why are you running and smiling you know just giving up play by play of like how much I

[00:25:30] running and why don't understand why people run and why it is smiling who are running I didn't know this until I read one of the articles for the research here but runners will probably know this running on a beach is really hard running on sand is really hard

[00:25:47] you probably know that if you've ever been to a beach and you've won on a beach before it's difficult and Nicholas Farrell who plays Aubrey Montague who does a lot of the voiceover work for this and you see him most prominently running at the front of the pack

[00:26:03] yeah so that running scene said this is the worst stuff to film because they had to do so much of this running and they were absolutely miserable having to run on this beach I didn't know

[00:26:14] man to guy who played Andrew he seemed happy he's like hey look at me I'm running hey all so happy yeah like so fast yeah it was like oh nice think it would be more miserable

[00:26:27] okay you know what you do you booze you do you yeah yeah so yeah that's my summary boom hooray so this film came out in 1981 it won a bunch at the 1982 Oscars

[00:26:44] it is directed by Hugh Hudson it's his debut film written by Colin Welland and produced by David Putnam we normally don't mention producers names but David Putnam had a really big hand in a

[00:27:01] lot of stuff that happened in this film that made it what it is so he was the one who originally had this idea for the film in the 1970s when he was I don't know recovering from the flu

[00:27:14] he found this book called an approved history of the Olympic Games and somewhere in there he saw this little tidbit about Harold Abraham's an Eric little and how Eric little wouldn't run on

[00:27:26] Sunday and that was the little gem that turned into this famous film Jerry's a fire so Harold Abraham's is played by Ben Cross we've seen in a lot of stuff Eric little is played by Ian

[00:27:41] Charlson all remonticue by Nicholas Ferrell this is his debut film as well and board Andrew Lindsey's Nigel Havers and as we've mentioned Sam Musubini is played by Ian Holmes who is the

[00:27:57] original Bilbo baggons in the Lord of the Rings franchise but there are some fun extras in the film as well that I thought you might want to know about first of all Eric little's real sister Jenny and her

[00:28:11] daughters however you might feel about how she's portrayed yeah I think she must have been pretty happy with it because she showed up and she and her daughters were extras in the stands at the Olympics

[00:28:22] oh cute also this is you might say the premier film if we're counting extra work of Kenneth Branagh no so in the like university love day where they're all milling around deciding

[00:28:39] where they're gonna go oh fresh as I'm going to do yeah the freshers fairy that's it Kenneth Branagh is like a dude like doing the freshers fairy too maybe he was like representing the drama club

[00:28:52] absolutely the Shakespeare song also not even really an extra kind of a step up from an extra we have I don't know if you clocked this in the Cambridge course production of the HMS

[00:29:08] Pinnafore which is the production by Gilbert and Sullivan in which they sing he is an Englishman we have among the chorus Steven Fry no singing at Harold Abraham's that he's such an Englishman oh my god so Oscars Oscars Oscars this one best screenplay by Colin Wellen

[00:29:32] best costume designed by Melena Kananero best original score evangelist the best and it won best picture this year oh and the last film we covered gladiator was a best picture so we are just shooting out like best picture kind of dude movie yeah is this always become

[00:29:57] of it well we're not just any old dudes we're like dudes we're like partial dudes from the 19-20s yeah we like our dudes as Edwardian who's possible and by Edwardian we mean and

[00:30:10] draginess to be extreme like if you're not wearing breeches we don't even really know what's going on when you do you have a penis we don't care yeah yeah yeah to could be yes the answer could be no

[00:30:24] we're in do it yeah so you may be wondering where the title chariots of firecrowned from actually yes so Colin Wellen is really really early handwritten treatment of the script was just called

[00:30:39] the runners fair those dudes run yeah yeah guys you'll be running now I guess he found this a little unsatisfactory but he landed on the title chariots of fire because it comes from a him

[00:31:04] culture Russelum which is based on a poem by William Blake and it includes a line in the chorus of the him bring me my chariot of fire and the him actually plays at the beginning in the end of the

[00:31:18] film during the funeral service that begins the story which by the way by the way can I just I was very confused I was like why are you having a funeral service in a church do you guys do

[00:31:28] it right so I've seen a few kind of conflicting facts about this okay I feel like researching this movie has made me a lot more suspicious of IMDB facts and because I kind of go there first to see

[00:31:43] us see some interesting stuff and then once I do some more scholarly research usually that research will come back up the IMDB facts but not this time one IMDB fact did say that Harold A.

[00:31:57] perhaps later in life converted to Christianity I didn't see that anywhere else in his biography or any other articles about him or about the movie but he did marry a non Jewish woman and he was buried next

[00:32:15] to her in Christian cemetery okay so it may just be that they had a Christian service for him because of that okay it may be that he converted to Christianity but I honestly I can't confirm that I

[00:32:32] never actually saw that in any kind of reputable source the mystery remains one sad fact about the funeral service at the beginning is that Aubrey Montague would not have been there because he died the Aubrey Montague real name Evelyn Aubrey Montague was born in 1900 a lot of these

[00:32:56] guys because they knew each other from university were born in 1900 or 1901s a very close to one another he went on to become a journalist during World War II he fought in the Italian campaign and he

[00:33:11] contracted tuberculosis he didn't die during World War II but he did die of tuberculosis in 1948 it was sad but what's really lovely he was a journalist he was the son of a journalist he was a really

[00:33:26] prolific writer and his son Aubrey Montague's son sent producer David Putnam copies of the letters his father had sent home during Olympic training and the Olympic Games which then Colin Welland the scriptwriter used as you'll notice in the film yes this narrative it's kind of a framing device

[00:33:51] in a sense yeah yeah yeah so that's why we have Nicholas Farrell doing a lot of this voice over which is so lovely and ties everything together so well it's just a really beautiful bridge yeah

[00:34:04] I already said the thing about the runners hating to run on the beach hey I'm with them so those scenes where the runners are training on the beach which are is meant to be in Kent during Olympic training

[00:34:17] are actually filmed I think quite famously in West San's Beach in St Andrew Scotland which is an absolutely gorgeous beach and very recognizable and aside from the lead actors which we see running

[00:34:33] the rest of the runners are St Andrew's golf caddies oh really how cute so the studio unfortunately insisted on 40 minutes being cut from the film oh I know I could I could have done the 40 more

[00:34:48] minutes the chariots of fire I hope there's a director's cut I hope there's another there's another montage imagine if we missed out on the romantic in those 40 minutes I could see it happening because so

[00:35:02] some of the scenes that they cut are of airglittle courting a Canadian woman in Paris at the Olympics this woman who plays the Canadian yeah she can be seen in the church audience you know when

[00:35:16] little is reaching in Paris that church by the way is a real church if you're wondering why is he suddenly at a Scottish church in Paris there is literally a church of Scotland in Paris okay that

[00:35:33] he really did go to and did preach at during the Olympics so she's seen in the audience and then she's seen sitting next to Sandy McGrath a spring Cindy during the final race hey

[00:35:47] so she is presumably meant to be a fictional version of Eric's real wife for it's Mackenzie who's from Canada but they actually met a few years after the Olympics okay so I would have loved to see

[00:36:01] it I don't know why she was there this Canadian woman just kind of like hanging out the Olympics in Paris there were apparently no female athletes from Canada at the 1924 Olympics but you know she could have

[00:36:14] yeah maybe she was a student yeah she had been hanging out okay one more thing about the film you remember that scene where Eric little runs a race just a regular race and he gives a speech oh yeah

[00:36:27] like the working men in the crowd and it's very Christian but it's a blifting it's not annoying yeah it's like nice it's a nice speech Ian Charlson the actor who plays Eric little apparently

[00:36:40] he had been studying the Bible for this role and he thought the speech as it was scripted was inauthentic and sanctimonious okay so he decided he was gonna write his own speech wow and he did

[00:36:54] he wrote it and I have to say as someone who even as a practicing Catholic is very uncomfortable with evangelization like oh don't don't take me to a sporting event and then start talking to me about

[00:37:09] how I need to find things and whom's this my Lord and Savior but I find that speech actually really compelling and sweet yeah it was nice one and that is all down to Ian Charlson

[00:37:24] could job backly so I'm gonna talk a little bit about some of these key players that we see in the film who went to the Olympics and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about the 1924 Olympics itself

[00:37:37] so Harold Abraham's was born in 1900 and he did live to the age of 78 years old oh nice we died in 1978 he knew about the film being made and he was on board and he wasn't enthusiastic about

[00:37:51] participating in the film but yeah but Colin Welland went to his funeral service because they had been in contact shortly before he died and so it was his real funeral service that the beginning and ends are based on I'll talk about what Harold Abraham's did in the 1924 Olympics

[00:38:17] but I will say that afterwards he said the odds are I shall not run again but I expect that in 1928 I shall try to get to Amsterdam that is that was where the next Olympics we're gonna be told

[00:38:32] but according to an article from the B&A which actually looked at all of the contemporary news sources then covered the 1924 Olympics and covered these races unfortunately Harold's words came true and in 1925 he broke his leg while he was long jumping and so that completely ended his

[00:38:59] athletic career but he went on to work as a journalist an athletics journalist for 40 years and he reported on the 1936 Berlin Olympics which must have been a wild experience as a Jewish man and he became the president of the Jewish Athletic Association and he was inducted into the

[00:39:25] Jewish Sports Hall of Fame in 1981 in his personal life civil in the film is an amalgamation of some real people so when Harold was at Cambridge he was engaged to a woman called Christina

[00:39:40] who was an academic but they broke up so that they could devote all of his time to Olympic training so when you see that tension in the film between them him saying that he he like really has to

[00:39:54] put his whole everything into running and she says that's fine show weight in reality that ended their relationship and then in 1934 after the Olympics he met opera singer Sible Gordon

[00:40:08] and they got married a couple years later oh okay but I think it was a healthy choice yeah yeah you know yeah good job I mean you know he did what he had to do and yeah it's all about open

[00:40:19] honest communication in Edwardian relationships and not going into a restaurant and ordering something you don't know and it didn't turning out to be old knuckles if you're Jewish who goes to a

[00:40:30] restaurant and says give me my favorite and it turns out to be pigs feet yeah I know right how is that your favorite you what fashionable young woman has pigs feet as their favorite on time even in 1924

[00:40:45] yeah so yeah I know it's like yeah Sible couldn't have children and so they adopted two children and they also fostered refugee children. Wow Jewish refugee children. Wow Jewish refugee children. Amazing yeah so they were really lovely people and I because I'm not saying that Harold is

[00:41:08] depicted badly he doesn't come across badly but he comes across as a young man who's really in the wars in his own head he's battling with himself he's battling with society and so he lashes out

[00:41:22] sometimes he's not always the most sympathetic but that's because he's young and yes he's going through some shit exactly I know I was extremely sympathetic towards him right so also you know like all

[00:41:34] the stuff that he was feeling things that I felt when I was in Oxford as well you know that no matter how far I got you know academically you know look look at my look at me I mean Oxford now do my

[00:41:45] PhD blah blah blah I'm never gonna be one of them no one's gonna look at me and think I'm I'm really someone who should be here you know you knew you find out you could accept it to Oxford should do

[00:41:57] anything you feel like oh now I'm really gonna break into society I mean everyone is gonna respect me no one is gonna ever look down on me yeah and then you get there I knew like oh wait

[00:42:10] I'm still wearing this body yep yep yeah exactly you know it doesn't really open all those doors that you think there was you know then so but now I'm gonna go there but anyway just to say that yeah

[00:42:25] I was extremely sympathetic towards him and I'd be like yeah I mean he's a university-aged person who has gone through so much shit already yes yes he's in a kind of privileged position but also not

[00:42:37] quite so yeah no and he has a lot of pressure on him because of us yeah so it was really great for me to know that he went on to have happy life and he was a really really good person

[00:42:51] and so lovely similarly Eric little it turns out was another gem of a human being of course he was at least tell me he really went and and wished everyone got love I'm sure the real Eric little

[00:43:04] we've done that oh my god of course he would yeah I'm sure he would have so Eric little was born in 1902 he was a Scottish rugby player and a Christian missionary he was born in King China

[00:43:19] to Scottish missionary parents or re-encilborn he was a re-encilborn for real that just makes me think he was born in a pandex breast yes one funny thing is we can talk about the run acting oh in this film so the run acting meaning

[00:43:47] the acting that people do whilst they are running they're like I am running but it also after it can weigh emotion and how much this race means to know it's crazy but also so that's what

[00:43:59] Ben Cross playing Harold Abraham's had to do he had to convey so much emotion Eric little had to do all that but also perfect a pretty interesting running style oh yeah he's whole

[00:44:12] whole throwing his head back thing so apparently his wife Florence had one critique for the film makers when she saw the film which he loved but she said my husband was a much more graceful

[00:44:26] than that oh blu which is funny because the film makers studied Eric little's running style from actual footage from the 1920s and so that they thought that that was one thing that they got

[00:44:41] pretty accurately but he did run with his head back and his arms flailing oh so I just love it it was so cute just the stupid dorkiest I'm sorry but that the scene I love so much that

[00:44:56] when he does the 400 meters yeah and he gets halfway through and he's kind of running like normal looking runner yep yep yep and then he's not gonna make it he's not gonna make it and they're

[00:45:08] like no wait he's digging deep yeah way he digs deep is to look like a total dork no and someone even I think I can't remember somebody even says it right oh he hasn't thrown his head back yet

[00:45:20] you know yeah and he does he throws his head way back you get his arms in full like homosexual T-Rax which he is just a lap it's like the scene and Feebean um in friends

[00:45:36] absolutely right yeah yeah I was brilliant so fucking good I love it Ian Charleston captures the Eric little run from what I've seen on YouTube of him running he does it brilliantly and what who knew that as an actor playing a sports person yeah that running

[00:46:00] would involve so many layers yes I will say one thing I didn't mention in the film fact is that similar to a leak of their own um director Hugh Hudson wanted to make sure that everyone

[00:46:15] that was cast could actually run B-trains as an athlete but none of them could actually run when they got there it wasn't like the ladies from League of their own who like practices baseball these guys

[00:46:29] just showed up as actors I mean like come on he's the easiest thing to train for though right so they were like just show it like make sure they have some potential we can train them yeah

[00:46:40] to do running and see if they can do some run acting I'm not saying running well by the way it's an easy thing to train for I'm not saying professional runness I you know I'm saying just be able to run

[00:46:50] from point eight to point B if you're not me you know you're being pretty growing up yes should be a pretty okay thing you know yeah well apparently not because loads of them did throw up oh oh oh

[00:47:05] but they felt that the guys they chose had potential enough that they're like we could get some good shots of them running and acting with their faces and their wrists so after Eric little's Olympic

[00:47:20] career he did return to China just as he had promised his sister Jenny he did the Olympics then he went back to China as a missionary and during World War II famously China was occupied by the

[00:47:35] Japanese and Eric was put into the Wacian internment camp where he apparently was just a beacon of light at every line he was always doing projects with people playing ball games singing doing athletics

[00:47:57] keeping the children occupied but unfortunately all of that time he also was suffering from a brain tumor oh my god and so of all of the things to die from when you're in a Japanese internment camp

[00:48:13] he actually passed away from a brain tumor about five months before the camp was liberated oh my god so sad you know and I'm not saying that this is a parallel but it is a little bit interesting to

[00:48:28] me that Ian Charles and the actor who plays Eric little also had a life that was cut short oh but this film came out in 1981 in 1986 he was diagnosed with HIV AIDS and in 1990 he passed away

[00:48:44] from complications related to AIDS he was 40 years old so yeah and he was one of the first celebrities in the UK to stipulate that he wanted people to know that he had died from AIDS

[00:49:04] meaning in 1990 do you know that's very brave and specifically because he wanted to draw attention to the disease two people in their own ways whose lives were short but really profound and meaningful

[00:49:18] yeah and the act that got Eric little so much press in the 1922 in the 1922 in the bakes the fact that he wouldn't run on this Sunday this is true but he actually knew about it so they they truncated the timeline for dramatic effect he actually knew about it

[00:49:38] everybody knew about this conflict weeks in advance right you know if you wouldn't know when your race is right right so he didn't find out he was racing on the boat but come on it

[00:49:52] makes for a way more dramatic scenario really on a boat going to be and then like and like the the reporter shout out to him he's like wait and then the prince has to come and pressure you

[00:50:06] love that yeah good old Dave so I thought this was weird though as a practicing Catholic Christian myself and someone who studies American Christianity and Western Christianity this isn't this isn't a very usual thing this isn't even in 1924 this isn't something that

[00:50:28] a lot of Christians do so this is specific to certain Methodist churches and Presbyterian churches and there are a lot of Presbyterian churches in Scotland so that makes sense for Eric little

[00:50:41] so this is a certain type of observance called Sabbath Christianity okay and so they're the ones who would have specifically I think so all Christians go to church more or less on the Sunday unless you're me and you have a whole thing with your back that day

[00:51:01] oh you'll be in your oldie Losey Catholic and you kind of only go once in a while but yeah right but the idea is that that's why church services are held on Sundays but it's only kind

[00:51:15] of these groups in the modern era so from in the 28th century 21st century who say that you have to keep this Sabbath day in a certain way okay that involves like not doing sporting events

[00:51:28] right so he would have been part of that kind of church of Scotland Presbyterian kind of Christianity okay so in case anyone was wondering like are all just like Christians not doing this or all

[00:51:41] Scottish people not like putting sports on the Sunday that was a thing that was a bit specific to the kind of church that Eric little belonged to not to lessen the conviction that he had

[00:51:54] just saying that's the context of it so can we move on to kind of my favorite character Lord Lindsay Andrew Lindsay so hot so fun so sweet played by Nigel Habers so Nigel Habers who has announced

[00:52:12] the Trinity court run in recent days like since the movie came out that he has gone to real Trinity court run events unfortunately Cambridge didn't allow any filming to take rice so that was done at Eaton it's fine Pasha Stone court yeah it's fine

[00:52:32] Lord Andrew Lindsay was an interesting character he's a fictional character but he's in a malagamation of two sort of different real people the first was they originally wanted to include Harold Abraham's Eric little because they won gold medals but the other guy in this group

[00:52:55] who won a gold medal was the guy called Douglas Low who won gold for the 800 meters okay and so they wanted to include him as well and he had become a judge at this point and they approached him

[00:53:09] and he said how much money you pay me and they said 500 guinea's and he was like buy I don't want to have anything to do with it and so they thought okay well we'll reimagine the character what if

[00:53:22] he isn't just someone who does like a distance run what if he does something like hurdles so they found the guy who really did do hurdles and that was a guy called Lord Burley the Marcus of Exeter

[00:53:37] and I have seen some sources not the best sources I'm talking about IMDB again here that say it was Lord Burley who said that he didn't want to have anything to do with the film

[00:53:50] and he didn't want his name used even though he was the real Andrew Lindsay and reality they decided change the character after Douglas Low didn't want to participate and base it a little bit on Douglas

[00:54:04] Low a little bit on Lord Burley okay Lord Burley was happy to participate but he said don't use my name just use a fictional name and so that's how you get the Lord Andrew Lindsay right and so just as

[00:54:20] for Lord Burley the Marcus of Exeter good job and that brings me to the Trinity court run because it's Lord Andrew Lindsay and Harold Abraham's who apparently raised in the Trinity court run and at this time in 1919 they're about yeah they're about it wasn't 700 years that had

[00:54:40] gone by since someone had done it it was I think the last one had been in 1890 but the clock had changed slightly so it took less time oh actually time to 12 we what the hell is a bad I don't

[00:54:56] I don't know they wound it differently or what what they did but in 1890 I guess all clocks be chime and slower they be don't here and so there's some dispute but I think that it was

[00:55:16] well it's not faddle you kind of like set like a challenge and then change it hey these are modern times it's 1919 baby you gotta get with it you gotta get with those fast dogs yeah but I think so

[00:55:33] one thing is apparently historically Harold Abraham's never ran right the Trinity court run whatever it makes for wonderful the Vatican and which I remember yes and it was actually

[00:55:45] maybe board Burley who did run it and who did win it as an aside there are loads of other weird things about this whole thing like that David Putnam didn't want a Lord to win in Lyon because

[00:55:58] he was a socialist but David Putnam is also a Lord so I don't fucking know anyway in my head in my head the guy who won did it while drinking champagne and smoking exactly yeah okay so now I'm going

[00:56:13] to talk a little bit about the 1924 aluminum picks and how our characters really faired and real light so in the 1924 Olympics there were 44 nations competing in 23 disciplines and 17 sports confused so was I so think of it this way what if we're not just 23 disciplines okay so think

[00:56:41] about it this way a sport is something like aquatics aquatics as a sport includes disciplines like swimming diving and water okay right there were 389 athletes competitors two thousand nine hundred and fifty four of them were men oh no shit and one hundred and thirty five of them were

[00:57:07] women so at this time in 1924 the Olympics was last hosted in Paris in 1900 making it the first city to host the Olympics twice the modern Olympics and this was the first games to have an Olympic

[00:57:24] village which I find to be a very interesting and sexy fact because we all know the Olympic village is the place where athletes get together and get it on and they make you Olympic

[00:57:40] athletes yeah so this is the first time I think that Olympians were bumping in grind down wow yeah and I love that for them that's what I want to see yes in the remake yeah

[00:57:55] the great Britain came with 267 athletes 239 of them were men and they had 65 of those who are for athletics that's athletics across the board and they came with 28 women and I also want

[00:58:13] to give a special shout out to the Philippines who came to this party with one dude oh one and he competed in athletics and he didn't win any medals but that was not matter because

[00:58:26] he wins yeah in my book you were the only person to come to the Olympics in 1924 your amazing amazing actually this was also the first games where Ireland made an appearance as an independent

[00:58:41] nation oh yay yay I want to make a small note about the costumes so the lightweight leather running shoes you see these you see the running shoes that they're wearing yes bikes on them yeah these apparently

[00:58:56] were the most modern but where of the time okay did you notice those little travel yeah yeah you sing to take it I love that they kept them and they seemed really or need like something

[00:59:11] you would hang like spoon that you got in my Yorka that really diminishes the signal I think because there's some there's a difference maybe however you may have noticed that the American athletes were wearing sweat suits oh yeah they're wearing like grace wetsuits with the American flag on

[00:59:30] them yes those I think are an agronistic and someone can fact check me here if you're a costume person because I am basing this on an episode of the Great British Sewing Bee

[00:59:44] oh I watched for my 29th of the year I'm brilliant but I looked it up again and the sweat suit actually wasn't invented until 1926 until then people were just exercising and fucking whoa oh my god and the sweat suits that they're wearing specifically so first of all someone

[01:00:09] decided that they were going to take some extra jersey material from their dad's clothing factory whatever and put together this outfit but the outfit that they're wearing with the coughs and stuff

[01:00:22] it is like the tracksuit that we know today I think that that was more like post 1926 anyway little costume aside so for athletics Great Britain won 11 medals and there were all men because women could not compete in athletics at this time because if they did their

[01:00:41] uterus's would explode oh yeah yeah fact totally yeah so Great Britain the Great Britain team got silver for the 100 meter relay and that was done by our man Harold Abraham's they also got bronze

[01:00:57] in the 400 meter relay silver in the 3000 meter team race and silver in the 10 kilometer walk have you seen walking in the Olympics oh I love it oh it's wonderful yeah and they got bronze

[01:01:14] in the hammer throw hammer throw is one of my absolute favorite Olympic events pretty cool it's amazing it's poetry Eric little he got as we know from the film gold in the 400 meter event

[01:01:30] and he also got bronze in the 200 meter oh yeah Harold Abraham's are bay he got as we know gold in the 100 meter event he also got silver in the 100 meter 4 person relay

[01:01:46] right yep he's a team player and then we have Douglas low who won gold in the 800 meter event I also want to mention that in the film we never have in the Olympics Abraham's in little

[01:02:00] competing against each other yes but in reality they did okay yeah it makes sense because you would have like people from the same team competing in the jitter yeah so it was in the final of the 200

[01:02:13] meter event and this is right after Harold Abraham's gets his gold for the 100 meter he goes up against Eric little in the 200 meter event neither of them get gold Eric little got bronze he finished

[01:02:29] third and Harold Abraham's finished six with his dead last so but I kind of love that because you can go from being the top dog you can go metal to being absolutely last in your event is just oh

[01:02:48] have you run to 100 meters it's extremely difficult so when I was in school I used to take part in like athletic stuff so I've done like relay and I did 200 meters I wasn't very good at it

[01:03:03] it is very difficult to run this one of those things where you're like it's not a full burst of speed right because you can't sustain that throughout you have to pace yourself yeah in

[01:03:14] in a way you know so like in a way the 400 meters is easier because there's a way of like pacing yourself you know but then like in an 100 meters you kind of just go spread like crazy right and

[01:03:25] a 200 meters if you sprint like crazy you can't sustain that for 200 meters again who am I talking like I'm not an athlete but you know it's just it's it's very very weird than rather difficult

[01:03:39] things run yeah I just know that I used this movie to try to improve my parenting skills because Alice Junior came to me the other day he thinks he's very fast like he's poor he thinks that he is

[01:03:51] the fastest person in the world and he came to me the other day and he was kind of upset and he said Ada is faster than me in nursery and having just watched this movie and learned about

[01:04:03] heraldic exams like getting gold and then coming dead last it was like you know what even the fastest people in the world the one you know they'll run one race and beat everybody

[01:04:17] then the next race they run they'll come last yep they go so that's just how it goes sometimes sometimes you're faster than you do yeah one last thing I want to talk about because this is as we

[01:04:33] mentioned this is a dog fast we love this film but it is full of dogs and walks from pausos at the Olympics we got really fast dogs there's just there's no women's athletics yeah to talk

[01:04:50] about but did you notice there are women on the boat yep and there are women that are raiding in the opening ceremonies so I thought there there have to be some female

[01:05:03] British athletes and I wanted to know about them and you will not believe what I found tell me okay so women did compete in the 1924 Olympics in Aquatics so they did swimming and diving they apparently couldn't do water polo that's too masculine they did tennis singles and doubles

[01:05:26] and they did fencing so those are the ladies things right in 1924 so the great British team had fensers tennis players and swimmers and everybody did really well we've got the tennis players

[01:05:42] one two bronze metals fensers got a silver medal but it was the swimmers that really caught my attention okay so much so that I think this movie if you remade it could be called chariots of water

[01:06:04] oh I maybe that doesn't make sense but in the little mermaid king yes it has a chariot it is it's polo bicy horses it's a chariot of water that could be you know yeah yeah yeah yeah

[01:06:20] the symbol yeah so the great British swimmers in 1924 were amazing we've got Lucy Morton she won a gold medal the 200 meter breaststroke that's pretty much the same thing is the yeah it's a meter long these are all equivalent yeah these races this is just like athletics

[01:06:43] but in the water her teammate Gladys Carson also won bronze in that same right wow it's swept it yeah and filless harding one silver for the 100 meter backstroke that's just doing that shit backwards and filless harding she also participated in the women's

[01:07:05] 100 meter freestyle relay team race and they won silver like there was men swimming there was a men swimming team but they didn't get any of this it was all the women that got all these metal

[01:07:20] yay and in chariots of fire all of these men are like a bridge men I should say though that Aubrey Montague technically he was a Oxford he was a member though of the Achilles club

[01:07:38] which was an Oxford and Kingbridge joint running club but these women these swimmer women they weren't Oxford and Kingbridge women they couldn't be so Lucy Morton she was the daughter of a

[01:07:54] servant he was a groom who took care of the horses on someone else's estate and I want to know her story because she was ostimously inducted into the international swimming hall of fame for her

[01:08:11] gold medal and for being one of these pioneer Olympians filless harding she was only 17 at the Paris Games and she went on to compete in three more Olympics and she was also inducted

[01:08:28] into the international swimmer's whole main thing so that's my proposal if you do a remake of this foam you call it chariots of water yes you just have King tried in his sea chariot pulled by sea horses

[01:08:44] and you focus on Lucy Morton being the daughter of a groom and just like given a big up for cue to get the Cambridge and Oxford boys on the boat just being like oh it's so hard to

[01:08:59] go on isn't it when you're so rich yes but no seriously I would love to hear this story and it's a real shame that that kind of story hasn't been told as much as I absolutely love chariot

[01:09:15] it's like I think it is and be like hmm screen of me I'll just be play like this absolutely come right here any Hollywood producers you want ideas for period dramas yeah this is the podcast

[01:09:28] you need to be listening to because we have weathering heights as a sheep base yeah and a mate and now it's a wild feeling no no sorry we're not flying rain gossling as um

[01:09:41] Henry D8 in a fat suit in like a yeah yeah so I have awards well I have an award yes I think I already talked about it but my award is for best sidebar character person

[01:10:03] and that goes to the father of Lord Andrew Lindsay and he tries to cycle his little bicycle seriously like and he just stole that scene you have to you have to just rewatch that their bit just

[01:10:16] what's your absolute it I'm not saying that I don't believe you because I do but I don't he's such a I know he's such a sight exactly that's like it's so good I don't remember him in there

[01:10:28] but he's so good he does it amazing performance trying to try and just try to cycle his little bicycle of his servants are like no no sir don't fall down oh yeah oh god that's so beautiful

[01:10:40] so what's the award again so sidebar character sidebar character yes mine is going to go to something I referenced earlier but haven't come back to yet when I talked about brilliant dressing gowns that Andrew Lindsay in that scene is not wearing the most beautiful or

[01:11:02] important dressing gown of the film and that's because so this is an award that I want to give to just best I'm not going to say best garment because we're that's going to get me into the

[01:11:15] whole and the future yeah but this is I'm going to say best mashup garment okay because there is a scene during the Olympics in which Harold Abraham's comes onto the track

[01:11:29] and he is wearing over his you know Olympic uniform he is wearing what can only be described as some kind of hybrid between dressing gown like it's a white yes so strong cloth structured trench coat it has lapels so it has buttons it is white it is long

[01:12:00] it is fitted I'm going to say tailored mm-hmm of course is tailored and I want one so badly I want I need a trench coat made of terracul. Yes you just want to remember. I never knew I needed it

[01:12:16] now you know now it's all I can think about can you wear that whilst cycling your bicycle? Yes if I'm flanked by just anyone. Amazing. So what an amazing film to end on for now? Yes

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[01:13:52] to not run. I'm just going to flop gracefully on my bed yeah I have a whole thing with my back I'm going to put a cushion between my knees and maybe I'll dream about running on a beat.

[01:14:08] Let's see see that's amazing that I can do all right goodbye goodbye