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[00:00:28] I'll tell you what did happen in my class today. Junior infants. They got their injections. That's a big day. Did your kids get injections in junior infants, Michael? You probably don't actually, do you not? Yeah. No, to be fair, I don't think Michael avoids vaccinations for the same reasons that many of the people do. I think you probably just think your progeny is superior in some way and doesn't require... Like the X-Men. You probably think you don't need medicine, but you might have. A little bit. I mean... Although you're such a weak and sickly boy.
[00:00:58] But would the vaccinations work with all the nanobots that are already coursing through their veins, do you think? Yeah. So you had vaccinations today, Hugh, in school. Did you have to administer them? No, but I went and held hands and said comforting words and things like that while they were having them. Did you get yours bravely like Joe Biden getting this COVID vaccine before the nation? Well, so I've been subtly dropping hints that these vaccinations or that vaccinations aren't so bad. I don't tell them... Sorry, how much more bread have you got to eat there, by the way? I've a bit of a meal ahead of me.
[00:01:27] I don't tell the kids that the vaccinations are coming and I tell the parents not to tell the kids as well. Smart. Right? I'm like, there is no need for this. But what I do is... God, Michael's really glazed over and he's looking at his own chin, isn't he? For a couple of weeks beforehand, I kind of drop little hints. We watch a little... There's this cool American nurse. Nurse Dion. N-U-R-S-E-D-E-O-N. Nurse Dion. And he does little things about emotions, about hospitals, and he has one on injections.
[00:01:56] So I sort of lead up to that and then we get to today and then we do it. But last week also, I gave blood. Okay. So I came in the following day and I was like, oh, girls, do you remember Nurse Dion was talking about the injection? I got one. Here's my plaster or whatever else. Again, them asking me, was it sore? No, it's okay. But then today afterwards, they were like, Mr. O'Connor, we got two injections. You only got one. So that's not fair. It must be so exhausting that you have to talk like that all day. Like everything you do, you have to say in sort of a singy-songy child's presenter way. Like you can't have any frank discussions.
[00:02:27] You do that now? Yeah. I mean, with the junior infants, definitely more so. But I'd still have frank, I definitely am camper in junior infants than I am in sixth. Go on. I'd be like, okay, girls. So what we're going to do now is we're going to get a squirrel. Lot of hands. Lot of hands. You're going to get a squirrel? Get a squirrel? What? We're talking about autumn. Sorry, I don't mean the real squirrel. Mr. O'Connor's survival class. Making a squirrel for the autumn altar. Are you prepping them? Is that like...
[00:02:56] Now listen, kids. You got to know how to skin a squirrel. Okay? That'll make you socks and you can eat the meat. I do have a kid in my class who like, she's from somewhere in Dublin, but for some reason. And her sister doesn't sound like this. Very great kid. Absolutely fabulous. But for like, I-or words and O-or words, she's pronouncing them like she's a New Yorker. She's like, Mr. O'Connor, I drew a boyt. Wonderful. Like, what are you doing at the weekend?
[00:03:26] I'm going hoist riding. Hoist. She's great. That's wonderful. That's so fun. So you're saying, Hugh, that in future I shouldn't be talking about this with my junior infant. Um, is your second in junior infants now? Yeah. What? He's in junior infants. Yeah. Yeah. God, that came fast, didn't it? But you never told anyone. What? Sorry, did I have to run it by you, weren't you? You said... I did assume he was going to continue with the school system. You said kind of critically to me through the night that your youngest son was five and I hadn't seen them in ages.
[00:03:56] Kind of giving me a bit of... And I did mentally do kind of a Columbo kind of, that's what... Wait a second. I meant to go back to you and be like, wait a second. He's five. But of course he's five. Yeah. No, I think what the point I was making, it wasn't that you haven't seen them in ages, but I was like, they're now two entirely different people since you last saw them. You know what I mean? I've got two new... Well, you're doing it on easy mode now. They're about in school. You're done. That's it. Yeah. Game over. Well, I did the opposite of what you're recommending, Hugh. I fully, at breakfast this morning, fully simulated the vaccination process. I was like, this is what's going to happen. I even like rolled up this... When's he getting one?
[00:04:26] It did it today. Rolled up his shirt sleeve and I kind of applied pressure and then did a little pinch on his arm so he could kind of, you know... So they got their vaccinations today as well? Yeah. Yeah. God, I hate to see we're all over the place, weren't they? Right. I know. Boots on the ground. Anya, would you like that as a job? Dropping at children's? Injecting kids? No. I think I would quite like giving vaccinations, actually. Oh, I'd love coming up with games to distract them. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what's great? I'm going to ask them.
[00:04:55] Backwards from 10 and Irish is a really good one for anybody. Because you take a second and it's done. Sometimes they're so fine and sometimes they're so not fine. And you're like, why did you lodge this in my bone? Certainly, like, when you're giving blood, because they're going in the elbow there. Which is a bit sore, you know, going into a vein. But, like, you know, sometimes, yeah. And if they ever do it, I always tell them, I'm like, God, you know, that one didn't even, like, I didn't even feel a scratch. Butter. You know, exactly.
[00:05:21] And then other times, obviously I don't tell them this, like, once or twice, I've had someone, like, absolutely butcher me. Yeah. Yeah. Like, someone basically, like, take a big straw and they go through your skin and then just, like they were saying diesel out of a car. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of drama in my class today, Michael. I'll tell you that. Period. This week, we're talking about period dramas. Otherwise known as historical dramas, that is, dramatic works set in the past.
[00:05:51] So these could be books or plays. But if I'm honest, I'm mostly thinking about depictions on screen. So film and TV. What's new? They're enduringly popular as a sub-genre of entertainment, spanning everything from Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility to Poirot and Downton Abbey, Bridgerton, possibly Peaky Blinders, I guess, and beyond. But are they a legitimate like? So that's what we'll be talking about. But let's get into the three questions quiz.
[00:06:22] So firstly, clothing is a big part of achieving the period look and feel. So what I want you to do is, this is for a woman in the Victorian era. I want you to put these items of clothing in order of the layers in which they'd be worn. Now, you could decide if you want to go from the outside in. I don't like that this feels like we're being involved in a fetish that you have. No, no, no, no, no.
[00:06:51] Do you always go from the outside in, Michael? Look, that's your decision. It can be like you're peeling an orange or like you're... Oh my God. Peeling a woman. ...putting the skin back on an orange kind of thing. Okay, so you've got a bustle, a gown, a chemisette or a petticoat. Bustle, gown, chemisette, petticoat. So gown goes on last, I think. Bustle, I'd say, is second last. The bustle is the bit underneath, isn't it? Yeah.
[00:07:20] Chemisette sounds like, I think, might be sort of like a little shirt that goes under your dress up top. Yeah. And I think then your petticoat. Petticoat, are they just pants? No, that's pantaloons, isn't it? Petticoat is just like the big underskirt. Yes. So I think it probably goes chemisette, petticoat, bustle, gown. Gown. Give me that again. Chemisette? I think petticoat first, chemisette, bustle, gown. Petticoat, chemisette, bustle, gown. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:50] Okay, that'll do. That'll do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. You're right. You got it. You got it. Why are you always so grudging when I am right? No, I'm not. I'm not. There's just a lot of things going on because... There's four things going on. Four things going on, Michael. It's not a lot. Because you could have... Well, yeah, but you could have a... Okay, Michael, count backwards from ten in Irish. De, ni, ucht, sacht, shay, coog, caher, tri, do, hain.
[00:08:19] I honestly didn't think you'd have to do that. Yeah. Well, I had to do it the right way first and then sort of, yeah, backwards. The right way. Yeah. That's the way a rocket would go, Michael. Isn't that the right way? I suppose if there was an Irish space programme. Yeah, it's true. It's true. God, here's another knock on Irish. Shots fired. Leading podcaster hits out. Yeah. Shots fired, but no rockets launched. Yeah, but there were a lot of different items you could have had.
[00:08:46] So regardless of class, most women wore a corset over a chemise, followed by a gown or a skirt, paired with a bodice, a blouse or a chemisette. So you had multiple options within each of the layers. And then, as you're saying, you've got the underskirt, which is a petticoat. Later on, though, that was replaced by more structured garments like cage crinolines or bustles. Just a lot of architecture on the body, you know? And talk to me about this, yeah.
[00:09:13] So the bustle, is that attached by, like, you tie something around the waist and then it protrudes out? Yeah. That's bonkers, isn't it? I mean, I know. Sure is. I know we did, like, and people should go back and listen to our episode on the Victorians, but they were such an odd class of people. I mean, they just structured everything from their activities to their days to their where, to their society in a way that people before them and after them did not. This is pre-Victorian, Michael.
[00:09:42] You're talking Georgian here. That's true. But most of the sort of, like, the whalebone stuff, that kind of came in with the Victorians. It was a long era, you know? Yeah. All your pride and prejudices, though, that's all pre-Victorian, you know? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, question two. What is the highest grossing period drama in the cinema? In the cinema? Hmm. So, you've got the Downton finale. That's got to be big, right? Or the Downton movie. I don't think so. Was it not? I don't think so.
[00:10:11] I think it might be something like the newer Pride and Prejudice, the Matthew McFadden one. Oh. I feel like you're going to be annoyed when you hear the answers, and I don't know if you'll be annoyed at yourselves or at me for these being the answers. Oh, come on. We can get this. Come on. Okay. Okay. Right, Michael. So, can I ask, is it in the last 10 years? No. See, that's interesting because, yeah, the money, I feel everything's in the last 10 years. Well, this is going to be adjusted for inflation, okay? Oh, okay. Oh, Brian.
[00:10:41] But that's not how the box office works, Michael. Well, we can do either. I can give you either. We can do total dollar value or adjusted for inflation. Is it a massive name? Yeah. Either way, it's a massive name. Yeah. But it's not the Pride and Prejudice, the Keira Knightley, Matthew McFadden one. No. No. And Nonsense and Sensibility, is it? With Emma Thompson. Nope. I guess there's a reason I've asked this question, which is unusual for me. Hmm.
[00:11:10] Is it something, are you calling Titanic a period drama? There you go. Titanic in terms of just number of dollars. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Well, is it? Because everything's a period drama then. Everything's a period drama. It's not though. I do agree with Owen. Jurassic World isn't, you know? Well, like... The Lord of the Rings isn't. Grease is a period drama then. Yeah. Well, let's come on. Let's come back to that. But I see what you're saying. No. No, come on. Well, so the... No. No, sorry, Michael. Like, we talked about... I knew you'd be annoyed.
[00:11:40] We talked about Titanic in disaster movies. Yeah. Right? Which never got released because the audio got corrupted. But anyway, there you go. The audience can tell that we did talk about it. But, like, we didn't talk about Sense and Sensibility in disaster movies. There's a couple of real disasters in there. I know, but they're sort of social faux pas, aren't they? As opposed to... Yeah. As opposed to an iceberg against an ocean liner. Do you think Titanic is a period drama?
[00:12:07] So the two answers that if you look for this... Yes and no. ...is so the inflation adjuster would be gone with the wind, which was made in 1939. But obviously about when, I guess... What's that, the 18? No, you know what this is. You know what a period drama is. I guess the point I'm making... In common... It's upstairs, downstairs. The point I'm... If it quacks like a period drama, Michael... But there's an awful lot of upstairs, downstairs in Titanic. I mean, there's often a lot of first class and steerage. Yeah, but it's in a house, not a boat. Okay, okay. So it has to be in a house, does it?
[00:12:37] Okay, I wasn't aware of that rule. Sorry. Yeah, but you know... Like, nobody says, oh, I love period drama. And then they stick up in Titanic. Titanic. I think if someone said that, I'd like that. Michael, Michael, Michael, if you send your wife out to the shops to buy a period drama, right? And she came back with Titanic. You laugh. I think my logic is... No, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. But the point that I'm making is that actually period dramas as a genre sit right at the top
[00:13:05] of the tree in terms of what people actually turn up to see in the cinema. No, but Marnie's right then in saying that basically almost everything is a period drama. Like, is the godfather a period drama? Well, let's come back to that because I think there's a legit... Is it, Michael? Answer the question, Senator. Is the godfather a period drama? I think for me, and I might be wrong here, but for me, I feel like period dramas have to be set before World War II. But that's entirely arbitrary, right?
[00:13:33] And I'm sure there are people who would say, well, period dramas have to be set before the 20th century. So that's the question. How recent do you think? Like, is, I don't know, like Zodiac, the David Fincher film set in the... No, is it not? No, this is... Well, why is Grease won? Oh, sorry, you're not saying... No, I don't think Grease is won. I was making the point that, like, if you said, do you want to... Look, every example I'm going to give sounds so stupid. If you were like, do you want to be in my period drama club? And then I come round and you're loading up, like... Road to perdition.
[00:14:03] Yeah, the Irishman, right? And I've come round for an hour and a half of the butler boinking the... Chambermate. The chambermate, right? Like, you know, like... Sorry, that would be called BBC, by the way. Also, this is like, if I came round and you were like, do you want to have a fruit salad? And you'd made me, like, tomato carpaccio. Yeah, tomatoes and avocado.
[00:14:33] Yeah. So, you know, like, this is... Like, this better not be an episode now talking about all movies set outside the time in which they are made. Yeah, I know. I see what you... I guess what we're saying... And I don't disagree with you guys, right? But I guess what we're saying is that for something to be a period drama, is it that the focus has to be on telling an old-timey story as opposed to telling some other type of story?
[00:15:00] Like, Apollo 13 is not a period drama because it's mostly about space rather than about people in the 1960s, right? Is that... Not by your logic. It's a period drama. Well, that's what I'm asking. I'm not proposing a logic here. I'm just like, what defines a period drama? So, the internet thinks it's when something is... The thing is defined by its era. Okay. Do you know what I mean? So, like, I think... Say Oppenheimer. Yeah. Not a period drama. It's not a period...
[00:15:29] This is just so stupid and ridiculous. I can't explain why every movie... No, okay. Here's the thing, right? Most movies fit into a variety of genre, right? And if period drama is not in the top two... Yeah. ...genres... Yeah. ...then it's not a period drama. So, Titanic is a romance... Yeah. ...and... Comedy. ...a disaster movie. Okay, we're in different ways on that one. Yeah, okay, got it. What were you going to say? Okay, yeah.
[00:15:59] So, like, where is Armageddon period drama? Yeah. And where would you put BBC, the butler boinking the chambermaid? What two genres would you put that in? Snuff and... Boink. That's a genre. Snuff and boink. Blaxploitation. Blaxploitation. I think... I know what you're saying, but I think this is annoying for the people who've tuned in to a good hour on... I just said these people have to... I think my rule is okay. What's your rule? Are you waggling a ruler? Yeah. I'm waggling a ruler. An old-timey ruler, yeah.
[00:16:28] Which is that if it's not... Yeah, if it's not one of the first two genres that comes to mind when you describe the... Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But see, like, I know things like, say, Call the Midwife and stuff are considered period dramas, but I just think, again, I would refer to that as, like, comedy drama. Okay. Okay. Is it Gladiator? No. But... Gladiator's swords and sandals. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. We've been through this. All right. All right.
[00:17:05] Like, in Bruges. You know? That would be misleading. And would you like a fruit salad, Hugh? Yeah. Okay. You probably would serve that as a fruit salad. Yeah. Or on a barbecue. Absolutely. But it's just pineapple. Or Michael then would start being like, do you want some chocolate? And you just discover everything in the house is Bourneville. Oh, God. Let's not get back into that. Listeners, go back and listen to the shopping episode to hear Michael's sad life. Question three.
[00:17:33] In the classic period drama that we're all actually thinking about here, the upstairs-downstairs dynamic is very important. It's frequently, you know, a major sort of plot element. Is that the renovation you're doing in your house? Upstairs, downstairs. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Better servants' quarters. Downstairs, upstairs, and some more upstairs. Ooh. Yeah. Also, the mezzanine. We really need to make some changes to the mezzo piano. What's it called? What's it called? The piano noble. We really need to make some changes to that.
[00:18:04] So, in the classic... Once you've got a foyer, you know, conservatory... What's the thing that needs to have in Greek houses? An atrium. An atrium. Yeah. And you just... Some people think you don't need a pantry and a larder, but, you know, really. You're going to store your pants with your lard? Come on, what? So... You make everything disgusting. You make everything.
[00:18:31] So, in a Victorian or Georgian household, who were the most... Who were the four most important members of the staff? The Victorian and the Georgian. Victorian or Georgian. That kind of era. Like, we're talking about classic country house, the state. They're two... They're... I don't know. I don't like... Okay. I don't like the two eras that you picked. Victorian. Victorian. I wouldn't think of Georgian. No, but you're Victorian. That's not what period dramas are either. You don't understand. Okay. You don't get it. Like, I don't think...
[00:19:01] Was Sense and Sensibility during Pride and Prejudice? No, no. No, no. Georgian. Georgian. Okay. Yeah. But Downton was like... What? 1920s? 12. Okay. 1912 to the 30s. And like, that's... That's not... That's not Victorian. Okay. That's... That's Edwardian. Edwardian, yeah. That... Yeah, I just... You're really fixated on Victorians. I do think, Michael, you think everything is Victorian. You do. You don't really know what it is. It's true. It's true. Most of it is. Footmen. Footmen. Butlers. They're not the most important. And... Were they?
[00:19:30] Butler and Housekeeper are the top two. I'm counting people. Right? Yeah. Hugh's got two of the top four. Excellent, Hugh. Straight away. No, just... Let me cook. For God's sake. You're there banging on about footmen. Lady... Ladies made. Yeah. Would have been very important. They would have been very senior. Okay. That's third of the top four. Ladies made. A valet. Chauffeur. And a valet. A valet. Yes. Yes. Well done. Well done. So yeah, the butler who managed the mail staff, the dining room and the wine cellar, the housekeeper who... What?
[00:20:00] Down in the mail room? Who managed the female staff, the household linen and the food provisions, the valet who cared for the master of the house, and then the lady's maid who cared for the mistress of the house. After that, you had a whole array of people. You had the head cook. Yeah, the cooks. The cooks were the real power though, right? They did, kind of. But then... Is that what you say when you're... In my meth lab? What? Oh, no. In that chair in hotels. What?
[00:20:32] What chair? You know the way the chair... You know why all hotel rooms have a chair? You know what that's called? What's it called? It's a cook chair. I've never heard this before. Have you never heard this? No. What is this? Sorry, what? Have you never heard this phenomenon? I'm not explaining it now. Well, no, you do need to know. You know the way... You said the cook holds the real power. Yeah. You know the way all hotels have a standalone chair? Yeah.
[00:21:01] And everyone's like, what's that chair for? Yeah. Oh, guys, come on. You know this. Is this a joke though? If you text Will and ask him, what is the chair for in a hotel? I'm going to text him now and we're going to see if he comes back. Okay. What is... I'm texting Will and we'll see. What is the chair in a hotel room known as? Okay. Let's see if Will, our correspondent in the field, comes back with that. If he comes back, I want a full explanation of this on you. Okay. I'm going to let you off the hook unless he comes back.
[00:21:31] You, from your years listening to Savage Love, usually have such an in-depth knowledge of this sort of stuff. So I've learned most of this stuff from you. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Have you started listening to his short, his mini-pods after action report? No. What? Ah. They're great. Is it what it sounds like? Yeah. Pretty much. They're little 15, 20-minute snippets of people who've had unusual first experiences and want to talk to Dan about it. So what's nice is they're all really positive.
[00:22:01] That's nice. The most recent episode I listened to was, I think, called Take Me to the Orgy Dome. A burning man story. What a man. The lower servants then. So you've got the footmen. Oh, no. You went straight there. They answered doors, served meals, and carried heavy items. I didn't think the footmen were the most important, to be clear. Yeah. Do you know what, though? Usually they were tall and handsome men. Michael, are you a footman? What is that? Am I a foot? Hi. Is that where you're going with this? Are you a footman?
[00:22:31] Like... Oh, am I a footman? As opposed to like a leg man? Is that where you're going with this? Is this... Ew. No. No, I'm not. What are you then? No, I'm not. No, no. It's all about the personality. It's all about the personality. I love you. So footmen, often tall, handsome men, were preferred for show in the role of the footman. Then you had housemaids who... That's good. That's good that they were objectifying the man a bit, too. That's true.
[00:23:01] That's true. You had kitchen maids. You had scullery maids who held the lowest rank amongst women, washing dishes, scrubbing stone floors, and fetching water. Then there was a role called the hall boy, who was a teenage boy who did the dirtiest chores like cleaning boots and carrying coal. And then, of course, you had the governess or nanny. You had the gardeners. You had the grooms of the coachmen. Stable boys. You might have had a chauffeur. This whole... Yeah. This whole... Down to the area, yeah. This whole...
[00:23:30] Like, troupe of people. Really remarkable. You know? Which would you like to be, Michael? I mean... Being a good footman sounds like a good job, doesn't it? I'd have thought you wanted the power of the butler. I feel gardener or coachman. Yeah. Maybe. Anya? Maybe the ladies' maid. Like, they had to... That was a really good job because you had to keep up with, like, the latest fashions and hairstyles and stuff to be able to do that.
[00:23:59] So, I think you would have had maybe more opportunity doing that. I suppose the other thing is whatever job you have, you mingle with other people of that job. So, who's giving the best gossip? Who's having the best parties? You know? Is it the footman's parties? Yeah. Is it the coachmen? They're not one day. They weren't allowed to have parties. Yeah, they weren't allowed to have... I don't mean parties as such, but, like, a coachman, you know, going off drinking with the coachman at the end of the day, you know? Yeah. See where things end up. Yeah.
[00:24:26] They weren't allowed to have parties, but they also weren't allowed to have partners or who were not even referred to as, you know, girlfriends or boyfriends or whatever. They were referred to as followers. Yeah. The staff picked up any followers. That was really very much frowned upon. Also, have you guys heard about the wall-facing rule, which was in vogue? Yes. Can you explain that? Is this during dinner that they face the wall?
[00:24:51] It's at all times when a member of the family, of the household, I guess, walks by you. You are expected to turn and basically press your nose against the wall so that you didn't look at them or make eye contact, which is... Would you have struggled, do you think, with having dinner with the full staff watching? Well, I often wonder about this because, I mean, I guess the modern-day equivalent is kind of when you see, you know, billionaires with their yachts.
[00:25:20] Like, if you've got an enormous, whatever, 100-meter-long yacht, like, that's crewed by 30 people. So you've got your... Let's say you've got you and your friends. You've got your, like... Yeah, but it's more like being in a restaurant. They're, like... But they're not all having dinner with you either, are they? I know, but it's just a lot of people to be hauling around the ocean with you. Like, that doesn't sound like fun. It's a 100-meter yacht, Michael. You don't, you don't, you know... Yeah, I don't know. It's different worlds. It's two different worlds there, I feel. Yeah. So you know the way in... Well, and certainly in Downton, if you were an unmarried woman, you weren't allowed to
[00:25:49] have breakfast in bed and you had to join the household for breakfast. Okay. So, Michael, would you as a married... I don't know what the rule is for a married man, but would you have taken your breakfast in your room or would you have joined the rest of the household? Oh, definitely joined the rest of the household. Do you... What do you think of breakfast in bed? Slovenly. Oh, awful. Yeah, it's like it should be one of the... Have you ever done it, Michael? Like, the idea of, like, room service in an hotel is absolutely disgusting to me. So, yeah, no, I don't know. Absolutely not. It is one of life's greatest pleasures.
[00:26:20] I don't know. I think as soon as... You never sat in a big fluffy robe? No, as soon as you actually make contact with the food and, like, the first crumb drops on the bed, then, no, everything's ruined for me. It's not my bed. I know, but you're in it, aren't you? You know? So... Yeah, but I don't open the... I don't eat, like, under the covers. Okay, do you eat under the covers in your own bed, though, as well? No. No? No. That's... Why would I even do that? When's the last time you ate in your bed in your house?
[00:26:50] Not very often. What day this week? What do you mean by eat, though? Like, do you mean actually having a meal, or do you mean, like, you have a bit of food in the hand, and you walk into the bedroom and sit in the bed, and you're still going? Any consumption of food, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Probably not that often, but, like, I would occasionally have breakfast in bed. I've eaten bowls of porridge in bed. This is episode, what, 300 of Legitimate Likes. I think it's episode, like, 277 of Hugh picking up something and eating it yesterday, and it not being what he thought. What was it?
[00:27:20] You don't know. I have no idea. Absolutely no idea. I'm like, why do I do this? I'm not starving. Were you at home, or were you just out and about? I was at home. I'd rarely do that out and about. I passed a full baguette the other day on the road. Would you not be pleased if someone brought you, like, toast in bed? If someone brought me, prepared and made breakfast for me, and brought it to my bed, I'd be absolutely disgusted. I'd send them away at the flea in their ear. You'd think you were dying or something. Yeah, no, absolutely not. No. It's disgusting.
[00:27:49] Would you not like to do it just once? Nope, disgusting behaviour. It shouldn't be tolerated. Is it the smell? They're just two activities that shouldn't mix, you know? Anyway. Anyway. What's the other activity? Sorry, what's the other activity? Being in bed and eating. It's not an activity, Michael. Eh. Yeah, I suppose that's true. Okay. What other bad activities shouldn't mix? Moving on. So, can I ask you, do you like period dramas, guys?
[00:28:19] I'm reading one at the moment. What are you reading? Cranford by Elizabeth Caskell. Well, how's that going down? There you go. Yeah. It's good. I mean, I think she's known for a couple of big ones, and I think this is one of the sort of quieter ones, but it's enjoyable. It's good fun. A nice quiet period drama. It's not, yeah. It's not massively eventful. What's the major kind of crux of the plot? Where's the tension coming from?
[00:28:47] Well, in the second chapter, a captain, a lovely captain, ran onto a train tracks to rescue a child and got killed. That's quite eventful. But it's quite episodic. You know, we just moved on from that, you know? So. So when was it written? 1850s. Right. So trains can't be around. This is like, this is like the, uh, the sort of AI fear piece of its day. Right? You know, these trains are coming for us all. It's like someone been knocked down by Artemis 12 or something.
[00:29:17] When they were backing into the, to the parking spot. Yeah. Oh, Will says in the current climate, what is it? What is the chair known as the hotel room? He says cook chairs. Cook chair. Remarkable. Remarkable. I've never heard it referred to as that. So. Well, I guess if you're in it. Yeah. Okay. Michael, if you're not at the table, you're on the menu. Okay. Okay. Well, like, I don't think we need to go and do it anymore. I think listeners, that could be a little bit of an extra credit episode. You can go and explore that for yourselves.
[00:29:47] We're not going to be your guides to that, that, that area. Okay. Off you go. We could though, Michael, couldn't we? I don't think so. No, no, no. I for one. I don't want to be weird. Michael, what are you wearing? Me? Yeah. I think. It looks like a grandfather shirt. It is. A colourless shirt. It is. Is it like kneeling? I'm wearing. No, it's not. It's like Nehru's grandfather's shirt. Yeah. I guess. Why are you wearing it?
[00:30:17] It's one of my favourite items of clothing. I've never seen you wear that. When did you get that? Yeah. Like, this is definitely 10 years old. Yeah. It's wonderful. Did you buy it for yourself? I did. I am. I've always been a little bit concerned that it might actually be a pajama top. Oh, sorry. But I do wear it as, I wear it out and about. And where did you buy it? This is actually an old Marks and Spencer's item. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably is pajamas then. It probably is, yeah. They do love their pajamas. Yeah. Anyway.
[00:30:47] Anya picked up a Massimo Dutti Pale Blue. Now, there's a little bit of cashmere in it, but it's a wool cotton cashmere. Cashmere blend, 10 euro in a charity shop last weekend. Nice. I thought you were going to say on vintage. Such a great deal. No, not on vintage, but the equivalent, I guess. Do we think that Massimo Dutti is like the Italian for just heavy duty? Oh, Massimo Dutti. Oh, Massimo Dutti. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right? Michael, do you like period dramas? I do. I do.
[00:31:17] I think, I have sort of a divided opinion about them. I do. I like that they tend to be kind of cozy, kind of low stakes, etc. But I do think we need to acknowledge that often they're presented exactly as that, right? They're kind of, you know, cozy and fun and whatever. But actually, it was a time and a place where life for most people was not cozy. It was terrible. It was not fun.
[00:31:42] So it's kind of weird that we associate, you know, quite a warm, easygoing type of entertainment with this one. Actually, for most people, it was a very hard life, you know? And you were probably, like, say when you watched Downton, like, the servants are probably some of the lucky ones because they had stable employment and kindly masters. Especially the stable boys. Exactly. From, you know, for, like, large chunks of society. And they were living out in a lovely part of Yorkshire in a cute little village.
[00:32:09] But, like, what was it like if you were living in, like, London, you know? But the period drama is focusing on particular characters. It's like, you watch Succession. You're not watching and thinking, gosh, though, there is a... Yeah, but I do think it's funny, like, when we're... There is an unemployment crisis. When you look at it, you're thinking, oh, what would it be like and who would I be? But the reality is we'd all be the lowly scullery maids and... Michael doesn't think that. We would be, though. Michael, who do you think? Like, are you a lord? Are you a full lord? Or are you just, like...
[00:32:39] Michael's the village doctor or something. What's a Viscount? No, no way. You'd be the reverend or something. What's the coolest title? Viscount? Is there anything better than Viscount? No, would he be one of the officers? He thinks he'd be one of the officers. Marquis is the coolest. Is it? Okay. Yeah. Or he'd be a captain. You know, Captain Michael. Yeah, I think he'd be. Yeah, you're Wickham. What? Just purchase an old commission and then head off? Is that it? Have you read Pardon Precious? Yeah. Right? Yeah. No, I'm just talking about captains in general. I mean, that's what they did.
[00:33:08] They purchased a commission. You're Wickham. You're seducing 15-year-old girls and then moving on to the next one. Oh, maybe not. Maybe not. Yeah. Okay. You jumped in two-footed there. I did, didn't I? Yeah. Yeah. I love period dramas. I think they're so cozy. I like the kind of nothing really happening or very small gestures. Being incredibly meaningful. The kind of the chasteness of, you know, like it's a very kind of a restrained world. And I love the likes of Pride and Prejudice and stuff.
[00:33:35] But my true love is Downton, which as none of you have seen, I hardly recommend. I've never seen Upstairs, Downstairs, but I'm sure I would absolutely love it. And can I recommend for a lighter take on it, maybe a more and a later time in the 20th century, Jeaves and Wooster. Oh, Anya. The Ryan Laurie one. I mean, Jeaves and Wooster was a big part of our early friendship, wasn't it? Oh my God. I just remembered that memory. We absolutely binged it, didn't we? We, in my house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:34:04] We watched like 12 episodes in a row. And didn't you sleep on my parents' sofa and you were wearing an orange t-shirt? Says right. A promotional t-shirt. Says right. Yeah. There was like a really brief period where you seemed to just live in my parents' house. I don't really know why. Yeah, it was wonderful. Wonderful. And we watched a lot of Jeaves and Wooster. Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. Have you seen a Hugh? I've seen bits and pieces. I've read all the books. I'm a big P.G. Woodhouse fan here, you know? Oh, I think he'd really like, I think it's worth giving it another go.
[00:34:31] I think, and it's a pity because I don't think they ever made a, made a big TV series. But I think the Blanding's Castle series in Woodhouse. Yes. Arguably. Oh, I don't notice at all. Jeaves and Woodhouse. Jeaves and Woodhouse. Jeaves and Wooster. Jeaves and Woodhouse. Had a little stroke there. Must have been all those injections. Yeah, Blanding's is amazing. And, sorry, sorry. And the other thing I'd say on you is I feel Blanding's like every book,
[00:35:01] like obviously Bertie goes to, obviously he's often down in Aunt Delia's house or he's wherever else, but he's in New York, whatever. Every Blanding's story is set in Blanding's castle. So it's a setting that you become very comfortable with. So again, and you get to know the servants, you get to know all of that. So like that's quite cool as well. I think you'd really enjoy them. So as Will hates when we say that the setting is a character. He does. Yeah, he hates that. Well, I didn't say that now, Michael. But I said the setting had characters. Right, okay. You know what's also I've never seen,
[00:35:30] I think we would all probably love is the original Brideshead from the 80s. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, I've never seen that. I've also never seen Sense and Sensibility, which I'm sure I would love. Sorry, when you were talking Brideshead, do you mean the BBC series though? Yeah. Butter Boinking and Chambermaid. That's a series. They made more than one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remarkable. Well, you don't just boink them once and you don't boink and a boink, you know? The point, no, there wouldn't be any boinking though. It would be, you know. No, no.
[00:35:59] There's a bit of boinking in Brideshead. I haven't seen it. I've read it. Who's boinking you? So what's our narrator's name? Not Sebastian. What's? Charles Ryder. Charles. Well, I tell you, he lives up to the name with Sebastian's sister. What's her name? What's her name? It's like Ruth, but it's not. It's not like Bond girl style, is it? It's like, it's not overly suggestive, is it? Brideshead sister's name is...
[00:36:28] Don't tell me now. Give me a crossword clue. Give me a crooked crossword clue. Oh, goody. Okay. Oh, okay. I think it begins with a more. No, no. So, King Lear's unlucky daughter. Cordelia. Yeah, it's not really a cryptic crossword clue, but yeah. Is that it? Is her name Cordelia? Yeah, yeah. I don't know that. Oh, no. That's the younger sister. There's another sister. Oh, sorry. Okay. Okay. Do you want to have proper cryptic... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Starts a snake. Okay.
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[00:37:27] It's just a you log. It's just a you log. It's just a you log. Rulad? More like Joolad. Of course. Julia. Julia. After all that, it was Julia. I was thought of you log. What you did there. Like you. What you did there. I... But you'd already said the you. like
[00:37:56] oh unbelievable what were you saying you hear the name Julia and the first place you go is Yule Log Jewel like could be Yule sounds like Jewel Anya there was so much sound and fury in producing that like I want listeners to go back 45 seconds to when Anya started doing this and it was like you know when you're in a plane and they're on the runway they run the engines up to full just to make sure they're ready to go like you took in so much air and expelled so much air before a single word
[00:38:26] amazing no it's like when the airbus is doing that what does it do it's like no you know the noise what does it do come on do it yeah no when you're open it starts doing the oh yeah you'll only get that on the narrowlingus you won't you won't get that on the rightness you'll only get that narrowlingus now we tell you this sorry you logs okay
[00:38:56] you'll only get that on our lingus god aren't you logs just delicious they are they're wonderful Anya have you ever seen Gosford Park maybe a couple of years ago when we first moved into our house we just got a stunning sofa right and we sat upon it with a bottle of champagne one night and we watched Gosford Park and it was it's amazing fantastic Gosford Park is an incredible it's the precursor to Downton but everyone's in it as well right yeah but it was like the test run yeah for
[00:39:25] who's in it in my mind absolutely everyone who's British is in it I can't think of a single person Maggie Smith is in it Maggie Smith's in it Charles Dance I think I'm googling Richard E. Grant I think yeah Mickey G Michael Gambon Mickey G is he what did you call him Mickey G do a do a cryptic cross for a clue for Michael Gambon okay Pam what who's Kristen Scott Thomas
[00:39:55] Charles Dance Tom Hollander what did I call her Kristen Scott Thomas did I I think so I'll have to listen to the tapes but Helen Mirren is Helen Mirren's in it right Kelly MacDonald's in it Clive Owen Helen Mirren Emily Watson Richard E. Grant Ryan Philippe oh yeah Ryan Philippe god yeah Stephen Fry is the inspector yes yes Lawrence Fox is in it well there you go oh dear
[00:40:25] Hugh have you seen Gosford Park no no fantastic Mr. Fox himself it's so Michael isn't it oh Hugh have you not seen it no oh Hugh Hugh you will love it it's great it's great country house shooting party for the weekend atmospheric murder occurs Stephen Fry is the detective it's it's it's it's it's it's real kind of I would say almost like Agatha Christie vibes you know it's it's it's it's great yeah it's very very good but Agatha Christie's period dramas Michael
[00:40:55] I mean I I kind of think anything that's set in an active country house is is I think you know so so are there any particular types of stories you would like to see set in in a period drama what do you mean well I was thinking on you you and I big Frasier fans how fun would a Frasier period drama be as in maybe different characters but the same kind of thing like it would it would it would just fit perfectly a different thing different part but it would fit perfectly the little kind of you know
[00:41:26] mistakes and you know follies of all the characters just just because that's what Frasier is it's the farcical the farcical just little tiny misunderstandings that build over the course of an episode that's very period drama that's that's a lot of Oscar Wilde stuff that's like the importance of being earnest I was going to say you know what I mean so that kind of exists yeah what about the bear one in the kitchen move the bear back 200 years well Downton could be yeah Mrs. Patmore could be Jeremy Allen White yeah yeah yeah
[00:41:55] ripped tattoos I feel like they had much lower standards for food back then though you know you were just boiling everything weren't you really and jellying everything you were just skinning and boiling everything yeah Carmi's just foaming everything and tweezing everything isn't he what about the A-Team if they did an A-Team series set in like the 1800s oh sorry I had forgotten on you that this is one of those questions where Michael asks us and then just is like come on come on come on come on here are my answers I just think of the TV shows I like
[00:42:24] Frasier and the A-Team let's do it yeah I thought you'd like the bear yeah the bear's alright it's very intense you said the bear season one Michael was the best thing you had ever seen on television you said that to me you said that to me I think you said it on the podcast actually we can check the tapes it's not true but it's very good it's very good and did you only watch season one I never watched it at all the whole thing the whole shebang the Christmas episode is incredible has everyone seen it have you seen it all Hugh I've one episode to go we can all agree
[00:42:54] the Christmas episode is absolutely amazing though right it's not my favorite the best episode is Forks what's that yeah I'd agree Richie Richie does his stash Richie's stashing when he drives home like that's probably the greatest two seconds or 22 minutes of when yeah the car going over the hill the sparks yeah it's amazing and I really thought something bad was going to happen to him I thought it was going to end terribly and it didn't and it was awesome yeah and Marcus
[00:43:24] I mean come on Marcus you know sweet Marcus what about a comedy what about a comedy period drop like a like a gross out like like frat frat boy comedy set like a like a like what like oh the privies have to run it over something like that no it'd have to be I don't know like what go on well like who's what's the name of that guy like Zac Efron as like you know a frat guy the footman no in like no I'm I don't know what you mean what do you want me to say just tell me what to say I know
[00:43:53] what was going on what was going on you didn't send us a script what was going on in America in the 1700s like what would be what would that be Puritan so Zac Efron is a Puritan and he's like put a scarlet letter in history print man yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah that was pretty solid pretty good pretty good yeah yeah pretty good what do you mean though I don't know I just feel like that's a fun type of movie you could set it in period drama like that's no Josh did you hear about the Boston Tea Party
[00:44:24] it's a totally raging kangaroo let's get over there Josh you know Chad's going actually Chad can't go because he contracted what's a what would be an old timey disease typhus fever typhus fever Chad's got time he's such a loser oh man I can't come out my sister's been tried for witchcraft I've been sailing oh what a bummer man me and Topher and Harley are gonna go no taxation without representation dudes let's go Topher Topher and Harley and Topper and Chip
[00:44:53] and Skip we're all going let's go guys and Trip Trip is also gonna be there Cooper as Cooper fell off his horse so he can't actually go anymore he's not going to matriculate this semester Cooper's got to get alimony to his grandma yeah he's yeah yeah yeah and Stewie's contracted what's another old timey disease
[00:45:23] rickets Stewie's contracted rickets so yeah he's gotta go to the witch doctor he's gonna leech those bad witch doctor yeah he's gonna he's gonna leech all those yeah I forgot that bit in Pride and Prejudice you're right Miss Eliza have you caught cold after tramping over the fields to Netherfield yes let's send her to the witch doctor hill hill call the witch doctor oh to the medicine man he's gonna go to the medicine man not the witch doctor I misspoke because it's the 1700s but uh no I think they had
[00:45:53] doctors okay well I mean the doctor's got leeches anyway so I don't know what you're talking about yeah he's also a have you I'm not have you read any period dramas yeah I have it's a good question Hugh recommends me one every now and then and I get into them you don't read anything I do have you read Pride and Prejudice yes I have read Pride and Prejudice yeah yeah it's great have you read it's an absolute delight do you know what's on my list right up well is Middlemarch
[00:46:23] is that a is that a oh yeah you got me that you got me that Hugh and that's that's I'm gonna take I'm gonna chow down on that soon hefty fella yeah yeah yeah yeah have you read what's the last thing you read have you read Jane Eyre I know it's a bit different I don't think I have don't think I have I have not read Jane Eyre yeah maybe I should Jane Eyre's great I don't think I really like Jane Eyre have you read Brideshead no oh how have you not read Brideshead Brideshead's one of the best books ever I get into I feel like what I need to do is probably do these one after another I don't really remind you
[00:46:52] of your first year in college I'd say yeah yeah I'd say it will you two were real Charles and Sebastian hang on now I don't know what that means it sounds like it might be defamatory sounds like it might be some kind of antiquated slang you're using there I think no Michael again once again once again you're mistaking the suggestion that you could be gay as defamation which says a lot more about you than about Anya no no that's not a boy I thought you might be comparing me to
[00:47:22] I don't want to kiss him I don't like him why what did he say did he say he liked me no no I don't have a crush on him I thought she was talking about hotel chairs Michael have you seen Saltburn yeah that's half Brideshead that's a period drama right well it's they live in an old house so no well it's a 2006 set thing oh how have you not read Brideshead Michael okay I will maybe I have and I just forgot that's got it that needs to shoot to the top of your list you'd remember it you'd remember it
[00:47:51] oh maybe I have yeah maybe I did why did you close it I'd say I did I'd say I did actually oh no when I said like I'd never smoked a cigarette no I definitely did I just forgot oh Michael that's a great question right so if you were running for American president and they did all that would you inhale I think you would be so torn between being the square that you truly are which I respect and wanting to fit in with the cooler kids yeah it would be a tough one wouldn't it so I think you might was it Clinton who did but I didn't inhale thing you didn't inhale yeah the worst
[00:48:21] would you go that route no I know what you do you'd be like no but I was I was handing out those doobies to everybody at the party he'd do the Obama line no he'd turn it Obama of course who was like he was asked did you inhale and he was like I kind of think that's the point yeah then again then they asked him in favour of gay marriage and he was like nope oh really yeah he only came out in favour of gay marriage in like 2012 or something it's not cool Obama I mean he's pretty cool well yeah I think you I think you wouldn't be I think you'd have to
[00:48:50] give some sort of explanation that somebody painted you it was like no it was too busy mowing down chicks left and right mowing down oh god yeah mowing down respect yeah alright well there wasn't much room for doobies in the whorehouse why is he got such a why do I why am I in a 1930s movie
[00:49:21] oh god okay Deadwood what about Deadwood Michael is that a period drama I guess so yeah that's great okay let's bring it to final judgements no I'm not finished yet alright go off then what are we I just feel this hasn't been much of a discussion on anything okay go on why don't I it's definitely one of the worst episodes I don't mean bad I don't mean not funny I think people will have enjoyed it but like in terms of what we're meant to talk about it's one of the worst episodes ever you've just been like we've talked about Titanic we've talked about chairs in hotels
[00:49:52] and like I don't know what else why do you think people like period dramas is it escapism isn't that kind of why people like all forms of entertainment they're basically fantasy right yeah you know it's a world we can't inhabit but would maybe like to you know and again as you say like we we get to inhabit it at the like because that's the thing we just see we only see the only I don't know yeah what's your favourite period drama on you book film TV play all things there's so much of it
[00:50:23] season after season you get to invest I know people poo poo but you get to invest so much in the characters over time so like the way that you don't with a 90 minute movie I think it's at I can get such an interesting point in so it starts in 1912 and it's really at the start of the major decline in the big country house and that's a really interesting dynamic and the servants are starting to gain sentience as it were and how many seasons are there after six but you're getting like serious investment in the characters yeah it's great and they also weren't
[00:50:52] afraid to really kill off like really beloved characters which really raised the stakes in it they lived through the first world war which is so interesting and there's some terrible plot lines as well which is really fun I can't believe neither of you have seen it there's a winter watch for you yeah I'd like to do they have nice Christmas episodes as well Christmas episodes are amazing but some of the most harrowing yeah okay but is there there's a snobbery against it is there because well Julian Fellows
[00:51:22] like it is obviously a complete fantasy of these kindly masters who are really nice to their servants and you know it's kind of a bit of a utopia and stuff when obviously in reality people were like almost slaves and that they got hardly any time off you were paid really bad you know what I mean and it portrays them as like kind of the heroes of the piece I guess and it is complete British fantasy so yeah I can see that not being great but and also some of it there are some there are some some real turkey
[00:51:52] plot lines as well but oh no it's it's it's so good and the it also helps that Dench Abbey is is the High Clear Castle is where it was filmed which is a stunning like really unusual country house like it is it is so beautiful so I think it's the setting as well goes goes a long way so the movies now are not great they're for the fans but the first season of the season is unbelievable okay I think I will on you I think that might be my winter watch I think you'll love it and it's the main plot line
[00:52:21] Hugh which is a classic is that the Earl has three daughters and obviously that's going to present a problem for inheritance so they discovered that his hair is air his hair his hair his hair is a solicitor who lives in Manchester and he comes to move to the house and being a solicitor in those days was like pitching up with you know he was practically a carny yeah yeah yeah they're they're absolutely baffled by even though he's probably
[00:52:50] the poshest people you or I would have ever poshest person you or I would have ever met there's a great bit in Pride and Prejudice when the the two Miss Bingley's the sister well one of them is Miss Bingley one of them is Mrs. Hurst maybe and they're at a ball given in Sir William Lucas's house which of course is a very fancy house but nothing compared to Netherfield or obviously Pemberley and they say obviously Pemberley but they say oh she says she makes one
[00:53:20] comment about him and then the sister says no no dear Caroline I'm sure I'm sure he's a very good sort of man and she says yes and I'm sure he used to keep a very good sort of shop before he was knighted well there's a great bit in Downton where Matthew the sister comes to stay and Maggie Smith who plays the Dowder Countess he's talking about at the weekend he's going to start working on the estate and she said what's a weekend because obviously the upper class had no like the weekend and stuff these are all like new
[00:53:50] concepts what a time to be alive it's like me in the summer yeah exactly oh guys you'd love it so tell me what happened to the Duke's hair again Hugh also I just want to raise it with you we're years into our friendship now you still haven't watched Frasier yeah sorry speaking of hair actually you brought it up guys I had a another billion dollar idea the other day okay right Hugh I know you're gonna like this one okay so bear with me so I was watching a movie with Ed Harris
[00:54:19] in it I was watching The Firm actually I watched a couple of Ed Harris movies this year he's an incredible actor he has a great body of work I mean he doesn't really appear in bad films but but Hugh and I know you're with me on this he's an extremely handsome man as well right but I think perhaps an overlooked handsomness because he is without hair you know a place that I am going to but he is without hair he's a bald man this is so
[00:54:49] self-pitying you have a perfectly fine head of hair well anyway Ed Harris does not okay but anyway what I'm saying is AI is here now we don't need to wonder what could have been anymore we can use AI to remake his movies precisely scene for scene as they were no other change but Ed Harris has hair in them so I've got the website we've got what if Ed Harris had hair dot com now I'm dot org
[00:55:18] we can swing charitable status are you guys in with me what hair are you going to give him you can pick whatever you want maybe it's educational it's very educational so you're basically saying that anyone without a hair on their head no I'm saying that society at large overlooked how extremely no no no this is not society at large's billion dollar idea Michael it's your billion dollar idea
[00:55:49] I'm the one out here saying I think Ed Harris is one of the most handsome men you're also the one who's literally just said I want him to have hair everywhere I want to make sure that we put hair on him everywhere would you stick with just the head or I suppose you could toggle it we could put a slider on the thing you know you could sort of do it be a toggle for the amount of hair is there anyone you think should be taken down a peg or two that you'd like to go back and remove their hair remove their hair
[00:56:19] great question who has great hair Tom Cruise Tom Cruise would Tom Cruise be as successful Michael the body of work he has is the same but he is absolutely not what if Tom Cruise what if Tom Cruise was bald what if Tom Cruise was bald what do you think would he be as successful definitely not Michael I don't know that's the thing I don't think so I don't think he'd be astride Hollywood I've been thinking about you and Tom Cruise a lot recently because he has been doing a lot of press and stuff right
[00:56:48] and he's kind of been weaseling his way into my what affections he's coming across very well he's so good to the fans he really loves his art but then you remember he's all the other stuff apparently he's distancing himself from that although it's taken a while let's be honest yeah but like what do you mean distancing himself apparently now I don't know sure who knows if any of this is true but apparently he's no longer sort of in the camp you know yeah I have heard that
[00:57:18] but sure who knows the truth of any of this I think he comes across it's like he's one of the fans are an enormous hindrance you know like he really respects he loves being a movie star two way thing of yeah movie stars need movie star fans you know what I mean but he is also Michael like I've never seen it so clearly but you're so like him like if you had his means that is what you would be like
[00:57:48] there's a lot if you like jumping off a thing on a motorbike the sending a stupid cake to people yeah the you'd love the worthiness of giving interviews and you'd really prepare them and you wouldn't give any actual personal information about yourself and people would have to listen to your little stories as you know the sending the stupid cake to people which Tom Cruise does people go back and listen to our Tom Cruise episode if you want more detail on that I'm currently on you and we're not going to give more details about this just yet but I'm currently working on a project which is quite similar to that that you're
[00:58:18] you're in on you're in on the ground floor on so Hugh you'll be receiving you'll be in receipt of a little a little slice of cake and he has a ceremony for you as well yeah do you know how we're funding this by the way yeah vintage sales shoe money our vintage shoe money I knew you were a footman yeah so listeners would be aware that Anya has been selling off lots of my shoes did you say so listeners or solicitors have you run into
[00:58:48] legal trouble look I whatever you're doing can you just make sure it doesn't involve any of my family not this time leave them out of it this time that's fine period dramas Michael what's your favourite period drama my favourite period drama I mean I really really haven't seen any Pride and Prejudice I loved it so which one which one the book yeah now you couldn't remember anything about the book do you think the movie would be improved yeah
[00:59:17] speaking of if Tom Cruise was bald dot com what if we replace Colin Firth with Colin Farrell dot com that would be amazing and toggle it so you could just get a little bit Farrell or you could go 100% Farrell yeah yeah yeah yeah I like it AI could just really this could be amazing I love it or hear me out so in Brute yeah but it's Colin Firth yeah okay he could do it I mean Colin Firth could do in Brute more than Colin Farrell
[00:59:47] could do Pride and Prejudice oh I think Colin Farrell could do Pride and Prejudice more than Colin Firth could do in Brute but he has to do it as a Dubliner oh he wouldn't be able for that Colin Firth doesn't look like he's from Dublin no no I mean Colin Farrell has to do he has to still be Dublin in Pride and Prejudice so you'll bewitch me body and soul sometimes I have to say your own behaviour absolutely fine but the behaviour of your sisters your mother and on occasion we have to say even your father
[01:00:18] does not befit you that really works yeah it does yeah it does it does you're kind of giving school play there yeah yeah it's true you got the Colin Farrell earnestness into it though I liked it you didn't just do the voice Colin Farrell would be a great Wickham he would be a great Wickham like he's hot he's hot as all hell he just seems like such a nice guy doesn't he just seems like so lovely remember him in Scrubs he was great in Scrubs he did one episode of Scrubs he was brilliant
[01:00:47] he seems so lovely and nice and kind of normal but also there was a time when he was our guy in Hollywood he was kind of our only guy in Hollywood now we've got loads of guys in Hollywood we've got loads of chips on the table and we've a much cleaner cut guy in Hollywood now with your Andrew Scotts and your Paul Meskels he's a bit of a bad boy well I don't know if he's a bad boy but like he's come from a pretty tough background much tougher
[01:01:17] than Colin Farrell he's a fan of Castanoc isn't he yeah I think so yeah they're all doing well though I wish them all the best wish them all the best all of them not Paul Meskel do you not like Paul Meskel he's grand I like Andrew Scott so much I don't think you can say that I know you do do you see yourself as sort of an Andrew Scott I do love Andrew Scott as well he's very Hugh I mean he's very very Hugh in many ways you know in name two ways I'd say he camps it up when he's teaching junior
[01:01:47] infants you know have you guys watched Ripley no is it amazing oh my god Ripley is amazing another period drama for us I will not watch one more thing until you watch season one episode one the good sake god I know so much I knew the episode I just pulled it out of nowhere do you know that I like to do there's a quiz online the hardest ever fraser quiz it's every time I go back to it and I'm just I'm unstoppable I'm unstoppable it's crazy this is like when my sister and
[01:02:16] I used to go to Harry Potter quizzes and just absolutely wiped the floor with them until we accidentally went to one in Hodges Figgas it was just us and a load of kids did you win we did but we gave our prize to the table beside us because we heard them saying oh the movies are fantasy just different genre of fantasy Pride and Prejudice I think
[01:02:46] is probably the BBC Pride and Prejudice is probably the best on screen period drama Barchester have you seen Barchester on you no amazing Anthony Trollope books turned into BBC series again and books wise yeah I mean George Elliot read a lot of George Elliot in the last year obviously Jane Austen who else I don't know I mean Dickens I guess Dickens all period drama no again you come over to my house I say come around for period drama night let's watch Nicholas Nickelby well maybe
[01:03:16] Bleak House maybe Bleak House yeah but not a Christmas Carol no no that's true no that's a Christmas movie that's a Christmas movie yeah yeah yeah okay Anya you agree do I get a vote yeah why not Michael's producing this episode yeah 100% I love them had the discussion been more fulsome I should have taken great pleasure in it
[01:03:46] however the blame can only fall on one head and that head be on my own shoulders if you could only have period dramas or breakfast in bed for the rest of your life what would you do oh period dramas I mean good on you yeah what about you that was more Colin Farrell than period drama good on you good on you yeah yeah breakfast lunch and dinner and I'm like really Michael do you know about that I do yeah I think we discussed it why have you unbuttoned your shirt it's getting kind of hot in here what
[01:04:15] what are you doing for the listener first of all the shirt we talked about earlier is red okay which is I like and it's it's unbuttoned quite are you wearing a necklace under your earphones sorry I thought he was wearing a necklace but it was a tight like that Nehru collar it was up like quite uptight to the neck he's now showing about five inches of chest right to the navel you do look like because wasn't Wickham what was he a red coat no he was in the army
[01:04:44] he was an officer in the army but he would have been wearing red you're kind of trying to yeah he is trying to do a Wickham right I mean god when you when you when you read it or when you watch it the first time and I I watched the BBC before I read it like when you meet Wickham first god he's such a dashing lad isn't he but can't you see why she liked him because he he's fun and he's much more lively than Darcy who's just like Darcy's so buttoned up yeah yeah and Bingley's so nice but Bingley seems a bit of a fool do you know what I'm convinced of right
[01:05:13] well I'm sorry you said that if I was in it I know who I'd be I'd be Bingley you'd be Bingley 100% oh to be honest he's not a fool he seems like it at the start oh yeah walk it back walk it back yeah actually actually now it's interesting because when I say fool what I truly in the Shakespearean you rat the fools were often the wisest of men no you are Bingley you are 100% Bingley Hugh I think you're a Jane oh god
[01:05:43] I'm sorry I know I know I know and she's well no that's not really fair I don't think you'd be that boring would you I don't think I'm that boring like I'm not I'm not I'm not strong enough to be Lizzie no you're not and you're not Mary I'm probably the dad I'm Mr Bennett I think I'm Mr Bennett you're not you're not disengaged enough who are the other who are the other would you be one of the mean sisters Mr Bennett is a bit meaner in the book than he is in the BBC he's quite mean he's quite sharp to his wife like he really
[01:06:13] in the in the TV series he's very much kind of like he'll sort of make little jokes but they're not jibes whereas he kind of plays on her anxiety in the book also the wife is the only one with her eyes on the prize those girls need to be married off like that's it's equipped with the CAO form and Mr Bennett it's like it'll figure itself out it's not going to figure itself out as you know let the field hall let us last Michael would be I think he would he be I think he is no he's too honourable but I'm not going to tell him
[01:06:43] he's Darcy I mean it's is he Captain Denny then he's the other officer oh yeah well then maybe that's you Captain Denny with the sausages yeah exactly and Will would be Will would be is Bingley as well Will is Bingley as well because you and Will are the same person you know yeah Will is absolutely Bingley but even I was doing in the early days of during Covid some kind of stupid AI thing where you could put yourself in a famous painting I will see if I can dig it out I'm as an old timey man and I'm just like
[01:07:13] that's Bingley like imagine my face but in one of those outfits like it really works and what about in Brideshead now who are we oh I'm you're Charles Ryder on you probably I think yeah yeah yeah probably Michael is we're all Charles Ryder oh no I think I might be Cordelia the little sister Sebastian's little sister yeah maybe Will could Will could play Sebastian Will could be Sebastian
[01:07:42] yeah yeah and Michael Michael might be Charles's dad oh yeah remember he goes home to dinner with his dad a few times and yeah yeah yeah Michael's on his phone now he doesn't care anymore yeah yeah he's done he's out well listen that was it period dramas they're legitimate like they can stay go and watch one now well listen if you liked this episode great if you didn't like it don't judge us on this one okay we've got really great ones too
[01:08:13] hopefully you already have a ticket for our live shows in Belfast or Anya's just held up a picture of her as an old timey man and it's just Charles Bingley absolutely well done Netherfield Hall is let at last and Anja you'd love to you'd love to rent an enormous country house I mean which of us wouldn't I guess but if we're wishing for things I'm not renting it I guess yeah it's true it's like Dwight isn't it
[01:08:41] I was just gonna say I run the B&B in hell I was gonna say Michael do you when you were talking about all the clothes that women were wearing in the old days all those layers like would you be one of those men who finds the endless layers titillating or are you more of a Michael Scott and you feel that a woman is at her truly most beautiful when she's not wearing anything at all and on that jolly note you've been listening
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