Rewind: The Bermuda Triangle with Cody Dahler

[00:00:00] This show is nominated for a 2026 Golden Lobes Podcast Award. Get in! I mean, is it really unfair, given that you asked not to record until you've taken the porridge out of your hair, for me then to mention that you had porridge in your hair again? It's pretty unfair, yeah. Also, it's confusing for the listener because we never really record at porridge time. That's true. But that's mainly because Michael has children and he's knee deep in porridge at porridge time. Do you think that we would, if it wasn't for Michael, we'd record everything at 6am?

[00:00:30] I mean, I obviously, I, you know, am not always available in the mornings, but I'm, when we're recording this, I'm still mid-summer holiday. So like, it's just, it's endless, you know? I know I shouldn't say that because people are teachers and their holidays, but like... It's not endless though. No, I tell you. It's coming up on you there. It suddenly creeps up and then you're like, here they come. Here they come. The five year olds are marching in, you know? So even though like you might have three weeks left, it suddenly feels like three days. To be honest, I am always fine until about two days to go.

[00:01:00] And I'm always like, I'm ready. I'm looking forward to it. And then two days to go, I'm like, nope, another week, please. Yeah. And then you have the long old slog till Christmas? No, midterm. Halloween. Yeah. But that's, that's the longest stretch. Like literally or metaphysically? Both. Both, I think. Yeah. We're not talking about school. No. We do have an episode about school. You can go back and listen to that. That's fine. But for the month of August, we are in between seasons. So we thought we're going to give you a little, little bonus run.

[00:01:27] And every Thursday in August, you are going to receive a classic episode of Legitimate Likes. An archival special. Lona and I are going to give you a little, little modern spin. We're going to have a chat to you at the start of each episode. Did you say a modern spin? A modern spin. Do you know what I said this morning? Well. Which absolutely appalled me. So I was talking to someone who, I have an injured leg at the moment. I was talking to someone else who has an injured toe. The real heroes. And they had it bandaged because they, they saw someone about it yesterday.

[00:01:57] They were saying, oh, but I'm going to take the bandage off now and put it in the sea because we're down in, we're down in Kerry. I think we put the bandage in the sea. I was like, you were like, oh, that's great. That's what we do down here. That's horrible. Yeah. Just throw your medical devices in the sea. Just chuck them in. Did you think the dirty dozen list was like an advisory of what to do? Yeah. And catch them all. Yeah. But then what I said was, I, in my head, I was like, God, I'm surprised they didn't want you to leave this like dressing on for a full day. Right. But what I actually said was.

[00:02:27] Oh no. Do not have to leave it on for 24. Oh God. Not 24 hours. It's real my guy energy, isn't it? It is my guy for 24. My guy. I'm just, I'm putting on, I'm going to, I'm going to do a rub on the chicken, but you've got to leave it in for 24. That's all. Did you call yourself out on it? Instantly heard it as soon as I said it. Yeah. That's the most important thing. That's the most important thing. The self-loathing catches pretty quickly. Isn't it terrible when you say something and someone calls you out on it? I know.

[00:02:55] Because then you can either, you can either back down straight away, but usually you're not, you're caught in the moment. So you're a bit defensive. So you try and argue your way out or joke your way out. And it doesn't work. Yeah. Like I can see myself say the Odyssey movies at the moment that I get confused and call it Odyssey, but then it would sound like I was so okay with the Greek canon that I would be like, do you guys like Odyssey? Yeah. Like when people are like, well, my favorite Harry Potter book is probably Prisoner. Probably Prisoner. Prosner. What? The Prosner. The Prosner of Azkaban.

[00:03:24] The Prosner of Long Cash. The Prosner of the H-blocks. Terry Adams and the Prisoner of Long Cash. I mean, we could repast the Harry Potter books with members from the Troubles, couldn't we? You sure could. What did you do? What did you do? Michael McGinnis. His name is Martin McGinnis. You keep calling him Michael McGinnis. Martin McGinnis. That's not even when we recorded two days ago. So who's Harry? I guess that depends on your politics, doesn't it?

[00:03:53] It does depend on your politics, yeah. Oh, I don't... I don't... I don't want to say... What about Dumbledore? Is Dumbledore like Clinton? Um, well... I don't like to do that to Dumbledore, but... No. Or who's Snape? Oh... Snape is conflicted. He's good sides and bad sides. Is... Whatever we say here. Yeah, I just... It's very good. Yeah, it is, it is. Okay, we'll put that one aside, but we've got the title. Let's just go back to Michael McGinnis and the...

[00:04:22] Whoever he is. Martin McGinnis and the philosopher's Semtex. Is that okay to say? I don't know. The Chamber of Semtex. That'd be better. Yeah. Oh, that's really good. Really nice. So we've decided loosely on an aquatic theme for August. It's the summer. Hopefully you're doing lots of summery things. So the first one we've dug out of the archives. I have to say this is a personal fave of mine, and I can say that because I'm not on it. Yeah. And it's a look at the Bermuda Triangle with Cody Donner. Hugh, you were on this episode. Yeah, I was.

[00:04:52] And I do think it's very big of you. It's like John Lennon at one point saying that his favourite Beatles song is Here, There and Everywhere, written by Paul McCartney. Yeah, but he was definitely just saying that. He definitely didn't mean that. He said a lot of nasty things about Paul though. I hate John Lennon, you know? I don't hate John Lennon, but he's the least good Beatle. Yeah, I mean, I think we've discussed this before. My ruling on it is he's obviously incredible. He's obviously an unbelievable talent, but he would have bullied me in school. And it would have been like getting bullied by a nerd though. Yeah, exactly.

[00:05:21] I'm like, come on, what? Double indignity. And also, I know I say this to you all the time, whenever you see Get Back, the not washing his hair thing drives me. I think it's so strange and so rude. And the same clothes every day. Yeah, he's weird. He's weird. Also, I saw a list of like, I think it was Rolling Stone did like the hundred greatest voices of all time. And Aretha Franklin number one. Can't argue with that. Unbelievable. I think Ray Charles might be number two. But they'd Lennon at three or something like that. I'm like...

[00:05:51] He's got quite a strange voice really. I know that's a speaking voice. He does. But even singing, I wouldn't be like set of pipes on him. No, it's like listening to Bob Dylan. You're like, he doesn't have a great voice. It is a great voice. Capital G, capital V. Oh, you see, Bob Dylan really annoys me. Why? I love his songs, but I don't like listening to him singing them, you know? So you'd prefer if they were all just sang by Carly Rae Jepsen or something? That's exactly who I would pick. Apparently Carly Rae Jepsen is an unbelievable musician. But she's a good singer.

[00:06:21] It's good songs, you know? I just don't think that John Lennon... Does he have even a nice voice? It's so nasal. I've read the news today, oh boy. Yeah, like you tell me he's the third best voice in the world. Whereas Paul, even now you see, I reckon people are just like, oh, Paul isn't just... Because Paul has a beautiful voice, but maybe... Paul has a stunning... Distinctive, you know? His voice is incredible. It's so clear and gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah, you tell me that that's better than... I mean, John Lennon is a bit... Yeah, you're right. He's a Bob Dylan. Great songwriter.

[00:06:51] Hmm. But the... I mean, the voices... This does give me hope though, right? If people like Bob Dylan, why would they not like me? It's true. Do you know what I mean? Like, can we all just be... Can we all just be singers? I think the four of us on Legitimate Likes, not right now, but maybe when we all get into our 40s, maybe that's the time we break through as singers. That's so soon. That's so soon. I was trying to make it sound like it wasn't that soon. This is like you're being like, I think right when we're 40 and we're not married, we should get married.

[00:07:20] That's next year. It's next year. Are you going to have a big 40th? Yeah. Are you? I don't know. You will. You'd love a party. You could do the washing up. Yeah, that's true. I'll do the washing up. Yeah. That's okay. You've sold it to me now. Yeah. Michael won't have a party. I don't think. No, Michael will say he won't, but then he'll have it and then he'll insist on organizing or trying to organize mine because my birthday is five weeks after Michael. It was Michael's birthday two days ago, three days ago. Are you serious? Did you not text him?

[00:07:50] No. Oh no. Oh no. I should have texted you. I should have told you. I don't. I depend on Jeremy letting me know. Oh, that's my system. I've been texting him so much the last few days, Michael. Also, happy belated birthday. I am so sorry. Okay. Nah. Okay. So this episode, I think it's great. It's really funny. I didn't know much about the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:08:18] I knew even less after this, but it was, it's, it's great. Cody is a hoot. Cody is a hoot. I would have thought you obsessed about the Bermuda Triangle as a child. No? Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember, did you ever get those magazines, those horror magazines that you get as a child? I've been too scared. Yeah. That sounds awful. No, they were like, they call it spine tinglers or something. And it was like, you got a big folder and then you could, you know, there was, it was like, what's the word when there's hole punching down the, you know, you insert each

[00:08:47] magazine to make up sort of a compendium. Yeah. And a lot of that was based around the Bermuda Triangle would have featured really heavily. But I just literally thought it was like a, I couldn't understand why any plane would ever go through it. I was like, but we know. We have the science. And also like, it's, it's apparently been quite debunked, but I'm also like, yeah, but still, come on. If you could go somewhere else. Like, do you walk under ladders? Oh yeah. Yeah. With a plumb. Do you? Yeah. Do you smash mirrors? Not regularly.

[00:09:16] But do you not like, do you not love to see two magpies? I've seen one magpie. But it's too good. Yeah. So one is bad. One is bad. Do you salute a magpie when you see it? No, but I bless myself if I see one. Do you? Okay. Yeah. Do you bless yourself when a hearse drives by? No. No. No, that, well not for any, I mean, I don't, I don't turn up the music and you know, see, I think as well with my new driving career, what I'm realizing is there's a lot of birds

[00:09:45] on the road and I hate seeing a single magpie ahead of me. I tell you, Onya, I was driving the other day. Oh, this better than I am. And the good thing about seeing a bird on the road is you're like, well they always fly away. I don't know if it got away. It did. It did. You would have felt it. It was tiny. Oh, Hugh. But with the Bermuda Triangle, I have a feeling in the episode, does Will bring up a point where it's like, oh actually, the number of accidents that happened in. I think that's a very unfair impression of Will. It's a much more minor.

[00:10:16] Well actually, if you were to take the square footage, square mileage probably, of the Bermuda Triangle, it's had fewer accidents than every other part of the world. I mean that's not true, right? Can't be. That doesn't say. He may not have said it either. No, I don't think he said it. I listened to the episode a few times. I really like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's very funny and there's some great stuff about Cody's Swiss father. Yes, there is. There is. So, let's say this is, if you were on a flight, right?

[00:10:45] You're not mad about flying at the best of times. No. Let's say you're on a really comfortable flight. It's a, it's, let's say you're on a private jet, right? Oh, I'd hate that. They're the most likely to crash. But a big one. Okay, what about a big one? Let's say you're on Air Force One. Okay. Okay. With Trump. Yeah, with Trump. And Trump comes into you and says, I can't do a good Trump. Have a go. And. Eh. Eh. He wouldn't have written his name. What's that? Eh. Eh. Eh. Eh. Eh.

[00:11:15] Eh. Why is he so needy and so like, pleading? It's very Peter Pettigrew, isn't it? Yeah. We're gonna land in America. We're gonna land there really soon. It's gonna be the best landing ever. But there's turbulence over there. There's turbulence over there. So we gotta fly right over the Bermuda Triangle. Are you in? I'm gonna tell you that I'm in the press corps area and he. Yeah. Bustles down to just let me go. He's come down to see ya. I mean, I think Air Force. I think Air Force One can handle it. Air Force One is all sorts of nuclear. Yeah, I'll do it in Air Force One.

[00:11:45] Okay. And you'll fly over the Bermuda Triangle as well. That would've been better if I hadn't really fumbled Bermuda. We don't give any quarter to each other with a mistake, do we? Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Like, sometimes I'll be sending you a voice note and I'll have to delete it and start again because I know you'll be on me for some minor infraction. How did I say glass of water once? Or who said glass of water wrong? Was it you? You, no, you said glass of water. But then I, but I think you picked up on it.

[00:12:15] Whereas the famous one I sent you many years ago was I said, oh no, that's the name of Leonardo DiCaprio's character in Titanic is what I thought I said. And then you said you listened to it again and I'd said Tyatic. Glass of water. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Listen, I think the listeners are really going to enjoy this episode. Look, we used to do an episode every single week, every single week of the year. For years. For years. But it was madness.

[00:12:44] And look, for various reasons, we had to move to a seasonal approach. And actually the feedback on our seasonal approach is very good. We're trying to bring you top quality. We still get you, what, 30 episodes a year, something like that. So we've just finished our previous season, which finished with the episode on summer that came out at the end of July. We are now giving you a run through August. Every Thursday in August, you're going to get a nautical episode. Well, as you go on to hear them, you can decide whether the theme holds up.

[00:13:13] And then we'll be coming back pretty soon with our next season. In September. But we'll be something exciting coming later in the autumn as well, Hugh. With our mini tour, if I can call it that. Yeah. Of this island. We'll be at the Cheerful Earful Podcast Festival on the 1st of November in Belfast. And where will we be on the... On the 8th of November. Sunday the 8th of November. We are going to be Hen... We are going to be Hen's Teeth. Yeah, we're changing the name of the podcast.

[00:13:40] We are live in Dublin in Hen's Teeth in Dublin 8. Tickets are available now. Where can they get them, Anya? If you go to the link in our bio, you'll get them. That's probably the easiest way. It's going to be great. It's going to be really, really fun. It's a Sunday, kind of early evening. And what I like about the time it's at half five is you could go for a lovely dinner afterwards. I hate... What I hate is when something's on at 8 o'clock. When are you going to eat? Are you throwing down an early bird? Yeah. You know, minutes beforehand? No, this is lovely. It's going to be great. And we have a great guest.

[00:14:08] Professor David Kenny is going to be lighting up the stage with us. And you probably have heard him on the pod previously. It's going to be really fun. And if you can't make it on the 8th, what about a little pop-up to Belfast? Yeah. Drive up north and we can continue our Troubles Harry Potter series chat. We probably will keep quite the lid on that up there. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. I'd say now I could lose the run of myself, won't you? You could. Okay. Enjoy the Bermuda Triangle, guys. Goodbye. Bye. We haven't actually started the episode here, Will, have we?

[00:14:37] No, not officially, but we've just done that thing where we have like normal chat and then we need to put a podcast voice on for a second to get into the fake chat. Yeah. This is me and Will having a coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what that is. Oh. I'm not in the loft. No, I was just... Okay. Yeah. No, that's cool. That's cool. I'd only vomit it up anyway. You're the sound guy. It's not a problem. No, I was... Yeah, it's a callback. Yeah. It's lovely to have you here too, Hugh. That was actually more cutting than excluding Hugh was explaining the concept of a callback to him.

[00:15:07] Yeah. Thank you for welcoming me on my own podcast as well. I know. It's lovely. I've been here 10 minutes. I've already alienated half of the hosts. Yeah, yeah. But only the one that didn't matter. The one who wasn't invited for the coffee. So it's all right. There we go. He lives in Dublin. Also, the one who's doing the edit though, so you know, who will end up making you say whatever I want. I'm so sorry. Are you in Dublin? I am in Dublin. Have you been to Dublin? I have been to Dublin. I love Dublin. I love Dublin in that way that I think a lot of English tourists love Dublin. That's where it's like, I went there. I had an amazing time. I drank a lot of Guinness.

[00:15:36] It was probably a nuisance to everyone and then fucked off two days later. And I've ever since been like, I love Dublin. I love it. You've got to go. Yeah, tiny, tiny boost, I guess. Although I did, me and my friends had each, we were there for three days. And I know this because I looked at my bank statements. We had 45 pints of Guinness in three days. Oh, wow. That's... It's a shocker. Each. Yeah, it was a shocker. I couldn't believe it. That's phenomenal. I know.

[00:16:05] And it's not even a brag like I'm disgusted by. Yeah. No, it's quite sad. Yeah. Sad in English. Well, my dad's actually Swiss. So in these situations, I sort of tried to ascribe with that nation, which to be fair, has horrible eugenics programs. I mean... So yeah. I'm sort of caught between a rock and a hard place here. Yeah. Better than England, I suppose. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. It's either sort of horrible colonialism or sort of... Dignitas. Backdoor... Dignitas or backdoor narcissism. Yeah. It's all that sort of...

[00:16:34] Or Toblerone. Yeah. Toblerone, except I mean, it's now owned by the Americans. They're sold off. So they don't have that anymore. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even made in Switzerland anymore. What? Yeah, I know. It's crazy. So now they literally only have like offshore accounts, secret bank accounts for... We should be doing an episode on Toblerone. Yeah. You should. It's shocking. It's shocking. It's shocking. They redesigned the shape of the chocolate bar as well. Do you remember that? Shrinkflation. Yeah.

[00:17:04] Shrinkflation. And now they brought it back because there was outrage. Gaps. Yeah. Yeah, they got rid of the gaps. This is what happens when the Swiss take their eye off the ball. The chocolate harps. Shrinkflation occurs. Fascism rises and... Fascism rises. Toblerone gets smaller. It's sort of... It kind of is all Switzerland's fault, but just because they're not really paying attention. Yeah. If you lived in a beautiful country walled in by mountains, you probably would be happy just to stick to yourselves as well, wouldn't you? You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was also...

[00:17:32] Because they were all mercenaries in the 15th and 16th centuries. So all of their men were hired to fight in other people's armies. And then they all got killed. And then everyone left in Switzerland was like, oh, fuck. We've not got anyone left. So then they were like, we're going to stop doing that. And we're also... We're not going to do war again. And that's why they're neutral. But they do still have compulsory military service, don't they? Yeah, they do. So I actually can't live there until I'm like 50, because they'll just draft me into the military. Really? Yeah. I'm not going to do...

[00:18:02] I'd be dreadful. Not only in the military. I don't speak German or Swiss German or anything. So I'd just be... I'd be beside myself. I really would. I wouldn't know what to do. Yeah. What role do you think you would play in the military? Comedy podcaster? Yeah, exactly. A podcaster. I'd be running around with a mic like this. Yeah. With you two in tow. I'm not leaving you out. Oh, crap. Just sort of traveling in the middle of a war zone. In the middle of the Alps. Just trying to make some sense of this gibberish Swiss German dialect. You know? But I think I would be a pen pusher. I think.

[00:18:32] Honestly, a part of me is genuinely... It's probably quite arrogant to think. I'm like, I could probably go there even if I'm technically not allowed. What use do they have with me? Yeah. They'd just look at me and be like, you can do what you want. We've got absolutely no use for you. I'm sort of... My physical fitness is bad. I don't speak the language. I'm a terrible administrator. Wow. And I can't... I don't want to pick up a gun. I don't know how to shoot a gun. So, they might as well just let me be. You know?

[00:19:02] This is like... It's like a reverse alpha male podcast. And it's like the opposite of a Joe Rogan sort of thing. It's like, I'm bad. Stay away from me. Yeah. But my dad is a bit of that type. My dad's got... He owns like 80 guns. What? Which he... Yeah. My dad has 80 weapons that he keeps in Switzerland. He literally can't do anything with them. So, it's like they're in like a friend's basement.

[00:19:30] And he went over there a couple of years ago to like catalogue them. And he came back home with this big folder full of all the pictures of these guns. And he was like, look at this. It was like a desert eagle. And you think if you went to Switzerland, they would have no use for you in the army. And they wouldn't be like, oh, this man's father is the registered owner of 80 guns. Yeah. Actually, they'd arrest me on the spot for probably multiple reasons. And is it a collectory thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:01] I mean, yeah. I think. I'm a seller in Switzerland. Yeah. But the farm... Sorry. We will get to what we're here to talk about. I don't think we will. There's... My dad grew up on a farm. His family had a farm on the German border.

[00:20:28] So, after the Second World War, when all of the Nazis were running over into Switzerland, they were all like throwing their weapons and their uniforms. And this stream that ran through the farm sort of picked them all up and collected them like right in this little crook thing. So, my dad's got loads of like Nazi weapons. He's not a Nazi, but he's got proper Nazi stuff. Good to clarify that up top. Yeah. Yeah. After saying that all Swiss people are sort of a bit Nazi. Yeah.

[00:20:57] My dad's got a whole collection of Nazi member beans. He doesn't. You've dug yourself into a hole in the middle of a load of mountains and blocked off all the tunnels. Yeah. It's a bad decision to come on here, I think. Yeah. You've really incriminated yourself in many ways. Yeah. It's really good. I'm pretty sure that there are people living in Ireland who will hear, this is a guy who has access to 80 guns and when he comes to Dublin, he drinks 45 pints of Guinness. We will be able to use him. You know?

[00:21:28] Yeah. It's not great. Hello and welcome to Legitimate Likes, the podcast where we take a look at some of humanity's most popular fascinations and we try to work out, are they really worthy of the hype? They may be likes, but are they legitimate likes? My name is Hugh and I'm joined as always by my co-host, Will. Hello, Will. Hello, Hugh. How are you doing? I'm great. We've been recording for 27 minutes, but I thought we should do an intro. Yeah.

[00:21:58] Yeah. We were having a very nice free-flowing conversation and now we've put pressure on it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But crucially for the listener, this is the start. This is the first thing they're hearing, so I shouldn't have said that. Well, it might be. Who knows? Maybe we'll just do a 27 minute long cold open this week. I hope we get on to Toblerone, I hope we get on to the geography of the Swiss Alps, I hope we get on to guns and how many Guinnesses people can drink. I have a funny feeling we will. Hmm.

[00:22:26] Do you want to introduce our guest to Hugh or should I? Because I'm stepping in as producer once again because our producers again are doing other things. What are they doing? I have no idea. They just say that they can't do weekends because they're like the sacred time between the mind numbing jobs they have. Yeah, I never really buy that. I mean... No. But then how do you define time? Like if most people define time as sort of jobs, the time in between job, like what do you... How does it work for you? A sort of desperate bid to monetize all my hobbies and make them unenjoyable.

[00:22:56] Sorry, there's no separation between work and play. Okay. What was the last bit of work you did? Oh, that's a good question, Hugh. I did 14 auditions in 17 days. Oh. Got zero of the parts. That was nice. Okay. Yeah, that's a good zero for 14. Yeah. I did some work on... I'm working on a solo show at the moment. Did some work on that the other day. Oh, yeah. Did a full... Can we break that news that you're heading to Edinburgh? I'm going to Edinburgh. That's an exclusive actually. Yeah. It hasn't gone on sale at time of recording.

[00:23:26] Also, the show hasn't fully been written at time of recording, so... Listeners, calm down a little bit. Don't worry, there are probably still tickets remaining. If only we had in the room with us an award-winning comedy writer, podcaster, and performer. And we do. We do. It's Cody Darler. Hello. Did I get your name right, Cody? Yeah, you did. Yeah, you nailed that. Also, very, very kind use of the phrase award-winning. Talk to us about the award. I don't think it exists. I don't think that award exists. Oh.

[00:23:55] But I've only been riding on the coattails of other shows that have got awards that I've had a very tangential involvement in. Ah, listen. But that's how it works. Yeah, screw it, right? Everyone was like, oh, Michael Douglas got an Oscar. Oh, he was a producer on One Flew Over the Cookies Nest. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, well, I do have an Oscar, to be fair. Oh, okay, cool. That's great. Interesting. Was that for Oppenheimer? Was that for Oppenheimer? No, it was, like Will said, it was for Oppenheimer. Yeah. Oh, right, yeah, okay. Were you the bomb? No, I was playing Cillian Murphy.

[00:24:25] And also your dad provided all the guns for that film. Yeah, yeah, he provided all of them. I haven't seen the film. Don't think there are any guns in it, actually. No, say that. I think it's mostly talking. Yeah, what is a bomb except a very big gun? Well, I guess, could you argue though that a bomb is just a big bullet rather than a big gun? Ah, yeah, that's probably better, isn't it? In which case, is the plane that drops it the gun? The gun, yes. That's the gun. Yeah, that's very good. The gun. Yeah. When you said your dad has 80 guns in his basement, did you mean 80 planes?

[00:24:57] Yeah, my dad's at Gatwick Airport. I should have said. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, we should have said. Hugh and Cody, you've never met, but Cody, we've worked together on some radio projects. We have. Every time. It was very good. There was a sketch that I said, I didn't know Cody had written it, and I said, that's the best sketch in the show. And Cody was like, that's the one I wrote. Yeah, you're very kind. You're very kind. Was this the firework one? Yeah.

[00:25:27] Yeah. That was. Did Cody ever repay the compliment? No, never actually. Never said a word. Hey, I'm a huge fan of Will. I'm a huge fan of Will and all of his work. I think I did. You did. You do an amazing range of accents. Your accents are incredible. I did say that to you. That's very kind. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That was my favorite. Yeah. That's my Swiss accent. Yeah, I thought so. I thought so. Luxembourg, Switzerland.

[00:25:56] I've got 80 planes and my basement too. It's amazing that you've actually, you've really nailed that. There's no way of proving otherwise that people in that tiny bit of Switzerland don't speak like that. Exactly. Yeah. In that little bit of the river where the Nazi guns fall. Yeah. Where all of the streams sort of gather and then, yeah, all those old uniforms. That sounds like the title of a Booker Prize winning novel, Where the Nazi Guns Fall. Yeah, it does actually. That's like a sort of a- Will we write it? Ian McEwan type thing. Yeah, exactly. What, write it now? Where the Nazi guns fall.

[00:26:27] What would that involve? Gatwick Airport, 1945. We're going to a restaurant called Cody's. Which is in the departure lounge in Gatwick Airport. Yeah, Cody, you might not understand these, but these are callbacks just in case you're Oh, thank you. Thanks. So, God, I really know how Hugh felt earlier now because I'm furious. Yeah. Do you know what's funny? All I'm thinking of is how the fuck are you going to edit this, Hugh? How are you going to edit this into the right order? All of these references. Yeah, it's going to be horrible.

[00:26:57] Maybe this is our first ever unedited podcast. I'll just put it out pure. Oh, that'd be great. Wouldn't that be great for you? Great for me. I don't know if it'd be great for the listener. Nah, but- Or for our numbers, or for our advertisers. But still. All of our reputations. I think I said some pretty horrible stuff before this started. Please don't put that in. So we're sort of flying into the unknown here, I think, Hugh. Oh. What must that be like? Well, who knows?

[00:27:22] Because on today's episode, we're talking about a vague triangular area between Puerto Rico, Florida and Bermuda known as the Devils or Bermuda Triangle, which is either a mysterious spooky paranormal death trap or just a regular bit of the sea. So we're talking about the Bermuda Triangle. Usually, Cody, we start with a three question quiz to see if you're worthy of standing in judgment on the Bermuda Triangle. Okay. Oh dear. Today is no different. So we've got three questions for you. Question number one. It's a little multiple choice question, this one.

[00:27:52] Okay. What shape is the Bermuda Triangle? Is it an equilateral triangle, an isosceles triangle, or a scalene triangle? Do you know, I think because it's entirely artificially created, and I think to all intents and purposes, it probably changes every time. I'm going to say it's equilateral. Hugh, what do you think? I was with you at the start. Well, as in what I mean by that is that because everyone just draws a triangle, I think they're going to draw it to make it look nice.

[00:28:23] Because there's not really an area, is it? Even though it is. Oh, but then you did say it's between those islands, which actually, that makes me think it's possibly isosceles. Yeah, scalene's all different. You didn't give us the fourth type of triangle though, Will. Anyone able to name the fourth type of triangle? A right angle triangle. Oh, there he is. Wow. Oh, Willie boy.

[00:28:46] We did an episode recently where Hugh planned a maths lesson for his 11-year-old children, maybe younger, and I struggled so hard. So getting that right was a real ego boost. Yeah, I can't do maths at all. 11-year-old maths sounds to me, I was talking to someone the other day, they were saying that they tutor maths to 11-year-olds. They've not got a maths background and they were like, they don't know what's going on. So I don't know what you're teaching these 11-year-olds. One lesson ahead of the kids, you know? Yeah.

[00:29:14] Yeah, I know what you mean about, so if they're saying the specifics of those three places, therefore it's much more likely to be scalene though, isn't it? Because you're getting different sides for everything. But I kind of like your idea that it's, they're going to draw a nice looking triangle. I think so. It's not going to be a messy triangle. And I also don't know what a scalene triangle is. What do you think it is? Define it. If you have to make up a definition for a scalene triangle. Well, I thought, is that different to an isosceles triangle? Mmm. What's an isosceles triangle? That's where all of the sides are different lengths.

[00:29:43] No, no, no, no. That's the scalene. Isosceles two are the same. Ah. And one isn't. Oh God. Equilateral. We'll go equilateral. We'll go with Cody's first guess. Bing, bing, bing, boop, boop! That's correct. Absolutely bang on. Obviously, Cody, absolutely right. It's not a real place. It's just a thing that people say. So, you could probably make an argument that your Bermuda triangle is a different one, but it's generally looked as an equilateral. An equilateral.

[00:30:12] An equilateral triangle? Great. Isosceles sounds delicious, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. Do you think someone could look isosceles? If they're like, they look a bit, actually that sounds a bit racist, doesn't it? They're like, oh, they're a bit isosceles. Yeah, yeah, if you know what I mean. A bit isosceles. No, I think, I think, I think Daniel Craig is probably a bit isosceles. You know? He's sort of that flat on the top and then sort of tapers down on both sides. Whereas, yeah. Like Joe Biden is scalene. Yeah, he's all over the place. Yeah. Hmm. Who's an equilateral triangle?

[00:30:42] Dwayne The Rock Johnson. It's always Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Yes, that's always the answer. Right. Question number B. Dan Burak set out on his cabin cruiser with a priest in 1957 and disappeared without a trace. Ooh. What was the name of Dan Burak's boat? Was it the Witchcraft, the Paranormal, or the Buttcrack? The Witchcraft, the Paranormal, or the Buttcrack? Or the Buttcrack. So there was a priest on board.

[00:31:12] Yeah, I've got some more information about this. It was him and a priest. The priest. Why would a priest go on a boat called the Witchcraft or the Paranormal? I suppose some of them believe in them, they just want to defeat them, don't they? Yeah. So they went out. I'm not sure his name was, the priest was called Patrick Horgan. I think maybe the priest was off duty. I mean, he's definitely from Cork. Anyway, I can tell you that. It was about, I think Patrick Horgan has won several Old Ireland's for Cork. They were just one mile off the coastline. They could still see the Christmas lights from the shore.

[00:31:41] He radioed the coast guard saying the boat's propeller had been struck underwater and the vessel needed to be towed in. He set a flare up in roughly 20 minutes and it disappeared. Wow. They never found. So where did they leave? They left Miami. They were only a kilometer off the coast, or a mile off the coast before it went wrong. A mile, yeah. Yeah. Did they not find the boat? No, they never found any trace of them. I think that's bullshit, man. Whoa. I think they, I think they sailed off.

[00:32:11] I think they were punking them. You think they were punking them? You think it was Ashton Kutcher? Yeah, well, you know, yeah, I know that it's weird that you go with a priest. That's a weird person to pick to go on a boat trip with. Well, you'd think you'd be safest with a priest, no? Well, yeah. There you go. There's another layer to it. Who would you feel most safe going on a cruise, a little yacht cruise with? Dwayne the Rock Johnson. If you had to pick a profession. Oh, sorry. Well, I was gonna say Jane McDonald.

[00:32:38] I don't know how many cruises Dwayne's been on, but Jane's been on cruises all over the world. And I'm pretty sure she'd know exactly what to do in an emergency. Will's been on a lot of cruises. Will, you've performed on a lot of cruises. I have, yeah. Do you know what? I've actually been through the Bermuda Triangle. What?! And here you are, to tell the tale. Yeah, I, we did that exact route down from Miami to San Juan in Puerto Rico.

[00:33:04] And I cannot tell you how devastated I am to have only found out I was in the Bermuda Triangle now, four or five months later. That's insane. Well, I suppose they wouldn't tell you. No. They didn't make a thing of it. They didn't make a thing of it. They kept it quiet. It was, uh... That's a shame. They should really big that up. I think, like, cause you'd like to know, wouldn't you? Yeah. I, I sort of... You don't want that to take you by surprise. You might be able to look for things that might, you might not otherwise see.

[00:33:34] You know, some spooky stuff. That's why there's nothing on it. That's why it's all conspiracy theories. Cause no one tells them when, when they're in it. Yeah. We could be in it right now. Probably not. Probably not. It's like, uh, it's like when, when the parts Caribbean, when Geoffrey Rush turns to... What's her name? You best start believing in triangles, Miss Turner. You're in one! Exactly. Also, we could technically be doing this podcast from the Bermuda Triangle. It's the magic of audio. Yeah. We could be sat in a little raft.

[00:34:03] Hugh, if you just add some wave effects. Yeah. Well, they're called, they're called waveforms, aren't they? Exactly. It's all sort of, we're all piecing it together now. Yeah. Yeah. We're conspiracy theorists. So what was the name of the boat? Was it the Witchcraft, the Paranormal or the Buttcrack? I mean, I think I'm going to follow on from Hugh's thinking, I don't think a priest would get on a boat called Witchcraft. I don't think Paranormal is a, is a name that a boat would be named after, especially if you're going to punk them into thinking, tricking them into thinking the Bermuda Triangle's

[00:34:32] real, which is I think what they did. So I think that leaves Buttcrack. Seems like the most sensible option. You think Dan Burak's boat was called the Buttcrack? At least, you know, you say it like that. Yeah. He was a Miami hotel owner and yachtsman. Does that help? Yeah, I think it'd be, let's go. And he did fire a flare, which we know go hand in hand with buttcracks from, you know, the Euros. I could just say buttcrack.

[00:35:01] Hugh, are you going buttcrack? Let's do it. No, obviously I put buttcrack. Obviously. Come on. No one would call their boat, apart from me, a buttcrack. Well, you say that. It was called the Witchcraft. Ah. You see, now you say it, now it's quite clever. Because it's a craft, isn't it? The actual boat. Oh, I hadn't. See, there's the comedy rest. The priest, Father Horgan, was probably like, which craft are we going on? Exactly. Yes, Father.

[00:35:31] Exactly. Who's on first? Yeah. Witchcraft. Was it a sailing boat? It was a 23 foot cabin cruiser. And Barack had invited... He couldn't say, I was going to say, no, yeah, no, okay. Oh no, what were you building up to there, Hugh? Something like that he'd say, like, forgive me, Father, for I have wind. And this is quite Catholic again. Well, I guess he could, like, Dan could have jumped in, had a little paddle and got out and go, forgive me, Father, for I have swimmed.

[00:36:01] It's a good point. It's all very good. I feel like I should have one, but nothing's coming to mind. Well, some boats are called skimmers. Could be skimmed. Forgive me, Father, for I have skimmed. Or he could just have some milk on board. Hmm. Forgive me, Father, for I have semi-skimmed. That's really good. It's really good. So all they were going to do is they're going to go out and look at the Christmas lights from the sea, but then they disappeared.

[00:36:29] They were not very far away from the land. Yeah, what happened there? I genuinely think, I think in that scenario, I think they've gone, let's have a bit. It's Christmas time. We've had an eggnog or two. Let's have a bit of fun. Let's call the Coast Guard and tell them we're stuck. And then let's, let's just shimmy up down the coast and not say anything else ever again. Although that's a big boat. It was an unsinkable ship, which is always, always a dangerous thing to say. Yeah, we've heard that before.

[00:36:55] Had a flotation device in it, which means that even if it sank, it would stay on the surface to be found. And nothing, just nothing was found. That's interesting. And so that, that is, that's, is that definitely within the triangle? Because if it's just a kilometer off the coast, is it, is that must be in a tiny bit of the triangle, no? Yeah. I think it's technically in the triangle. I think probably people are generous with their definitions. If a disappearance happens nearby. Yeah, exactly.

[00:37:26] Yeah. Anywhere in the Pacific or the Indian Ocean, they're sort of like, it's sort of, it's close. It's triangular. Yeah. Yeah. If you just keep, keep making the triangle bigger and bigger. Mm. You can pretty much cover everything. The world is my Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. Okay, the last question. If you are on the archipelago of Bermuda, what is the furthest in miles you can be away from the sea? How far away can you get from the sea when you're on the island of Bermuda or one of the many islands?

[00:37:53] What's the furthest you can be away from the sea whilst being on one of the islands? Yeah. So basically, what's the, in the biggest island, how far is the centre of it from the sea? Yeah. That's the less interesting way of saying the question. Yeah. I don't think yours was that interesting either, Will. No, that's fair. But that screams as how uninteresting yours was. See, I think this is the hardest one. Well, obviously it's the hardest one because it needs us to have a minute knowledge of the geography of Bermuda. Yeah.

[00:38:20] But you see, now I'm feeling a bit nervous because if I fail this and I've only got one of one of three and I'm just thinking back to my last answer, which was butt crack. The last question, all we had to do was not answer butt crack. Yeah. And you didn't do that. I was very polite and I was like, I'll go with Cody. Yeah. But yeah. You can't rewrite history, Hugh. You didn't put up any fight against butt crack. Oh, you watch him rewrite history though. He's in charge of the edit. He is. He's going to take that right out. I'm going to say three kilometres.

[00:38:49] It's in miles, so I'll do the conversion. Great. I'm going to say three miles. I've gone further. I know. I know. So 4.8 kilometres then. But I'm going to... Three miles or 1.86 miles? I'm going to say three. 1.86. That's a bit silly. Hugh, what are your thoughts? Oh, I'm going with Cody, 100%. Cody, your first answer was way closer. Oh no. It's one mile.

[00:39:19] No way! So the widest point of the island is two miles. Whoa. That's amazing. Pretty cool. And is that the island of Bermuda? I didn't do that much research. I don't really know what archipelago means. I think that's a couple of islands. Bermuda's really out in the middle of nowhere, isn't it? Like it's a long way away from everything else, isn't it? Yeah. Pretty close to the Bermuda Triangle. It's not in the Caribbean. It's not in... down near Cuba or the Bahamas.

[00:39:48] Like isn't it really just stuck out in the middle of the sea? Yeah. I mean, it's like... Not that far from Miami. But it is really far from Miami. Like... It's like a kind of spooky Falklands. Like if you went directly north, you'd end up in Nova Scotia, Canada. If you go directly north from anywhere, you end up in Nova Scotia, Canada. Calendar. Calendar, yeah. We've all got a Nova Scotia calendar in our bedroom. It's December 1st. Time to crack open the Nova Scotia calendar.

[00:40:17] There was no indigenous population on it. And for a while, there were only three people living there because a ship wrecked there. And a bunch of people were like, let's get off this island as soon as possible. And three people were like, I'm gonna stay. And they did. Aww. That's cool. Yeah. And... How long were the three of them there just repopulating it? I don't know. Maybe they're still going. This is always a difficult one, you know? It's like the Pitcairn Islands. Are you aware of the Pitcairns? No.

[00:40:46] The bounty. The mutiny on the bounty. It's a very famous... Is that when they got to the end of the box of celebrations and were like, there's only bounties left? Mutiny! They had a big fight over it. They had a big fight over it. But yeah, basically 22 of them maybe ended up on the Pitcairn Islands. And so there were some sailors from the ship and there were also some women from Tahiti who they'd taken on board the ship. And... But I think they were there for quite a long time. So... It's just a lot of... Well, I...

[00:41:15] This is one to edit out, but it's come up so I can't not say it. But it's... I was reading an article about this brain condition. Again, stress, take this out. This is not funny, but it's interesting. These four sisters, right? I read the stars. Four sisters have this brain condition where their brain absorbs iron, but can't remove it because of this genetic... Sort of... What do you call it? Mutation. Okay.

[00:41:43] And these four sisters have it and it's basically a bit like locked in syndrome where they're just... Their body completely shuts down, but their brain is completely active. And they've traced this. It's only found in a hundred people in like the... In Cumbria. And it's traced to the guy who led the mutiny on the bounty. No. And it's his... All of the relatives in his line are the only people in the world that have this brain condition.

[00:42:13] Isn't that insane? Because he clearly had this like mutation or he passed on like his kids had this mutation. A hundred people. And all from that guy. So their bounty has its... You know, its repercussions are huge for the people of Cumbria. Wow. That's got to stay in. That's fascinating. It is fascinating. But yeah, not a laugh a minute, but... But now they think they've got a cure. So there's the happy ending. They might have a cure.

[00:42:45] Neuroferatinopathy. Yeah. I read... So in this article, they were like, you know, we've given this a name because this is literally specific to this area and this like family. So we've given it a new name. And I was like, oh, maybe they're going to name it after the family. No. Neuroferatinopathy or something like that. His name was Fletcher Christian. So you can't really call it Christianity. Christianity. Christianism. Christianitis. A hundred people's really suffering from Christianity.

[00:43:15] Mr. Christian. Have you ever seen the film with Anthony Hopkins playing Captain Bly? Oh, yeah. Is that when he goes, damn your eyes. Damn your eyes. Damn your eyes. We go round the horn. Mr. Christian. Yeah. Great. So you've done okay in the quiz there lads. By which I mean you got one out of three, which is... I'm embarrassed with butt crack. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, that was the aim. So the Bermuda Triangle. Cody, you chose this subject and you also suggested corduroy.

[00:43:45] Yeah, I love corduroy. I was... When you asked me, like, what do you like? And that's an awful question really. It's a bad question, yeah. What does anyone like? And I was thinking really hard and I was like, the longer you take to answer that question, the more you start floundering. Because you're like, surely I like something. Yeah. And surely I'm passionate about something. So what did you go through in your head? Did you go through like comedy writing and acting and podcasting and stuff first? Yeah.

[00:44:14] I thought reading. I like reading, but then I thought that's just... That's nerdy. And then I thought Warhammer. I like that. And then I thought super nerdy. No, I used to. I used to. For the record, I used to. I don't do it anymore. Because they changed the rules and it's actually a bit more simple now and it's not as fun. I don't. I don't. So that was my very first job that I ever had was working in a Warhammer shop. And if anyone is listening who plays Warhammer, I support you and salute you.

[00:44:41] Because the level of persecution we get from socially able people in the community is horrific. All right. We're just trying to mind our own business. We're talking to each other. We've just got tape measures. That's all. That's the only difference. Two people chatting in the street. No one bats an eyelid. Two people chatting in the street, measuring tiny figures. All of a sudden, everyone's an uproar. But I spent most of my time talking people through the pros and cons of choosing a fictitious resin army.

[00:45:10] Like, you know, the difference between... The Dark Eldar. Exactly. That was my army, actually. I had Dark Eldar. Very good. You go, well, Dark Eldar, their armor is quite weak. And their weapons are also quite weak, to be fair. Any warheads out there will know that Dark Eldar are the worst army. Because they're not good at anything. But you'd be like, oh, Tau have very good weaponry. And then you've got... Well, space marines have very good weaponry and armor.

[00:45:36] And just the older you get, and the more you start thinking, I should really get some friends, the less enthusiastic you get trying to convince a sort of 10-year-old to spend thousands of pounds on a new plastic army. Maybe we could bring Cody back on with Stuart Wellington for a Warhammer episode. I don't know, are you aware of Stuart Wellington from the Flophouse podcast? I am not, but I would absolutely... I could talk about Warhammer for days. I should have picked that. Yeah, yeah. I should have picked that. Well, let's get Stuart back on another time.

[00:46:06] We'll have the two of you on. That'd be great. Because I just... I basically went on your Twitter, because you'd suggested Corduroy, and I thought... I don't know how much mileage there is in that. I suggested Corduroy, and you thought no. Yeah, I thought no, but I don't know how to let him down gently. And then I saw that you host a podcast set in the Bermuda Triangle. And I was like, well, this is perfect. Yeah, I do. And I just want to say as well, this isn't just... This subject has... You sort of told me to pick this subject. It's not me shamelessly plugging. Oh yeah. My quite old podcast now, to be fair.

[00:46:35] I need to start it again. How many Warhammer figures do you think are in the Bermuda Triangle right now? Oh. Do you think there's any? I mean, the thing is, it's either none, or it's hundreds of thousands, because people that play Warhammer are sort of quite... I can't say that they're at the centre of the community. So if there were a big ship carrying a load of Warhammer people to a Warhammer convention,

[00:47:01] and they disappeared, I can't say there'd be many people who would sort of be like, what happened to those guys that used to just sit in their room for 12 hours a day measuring their little resin men? And there's a lot of measuring, is there? Yeah, big time. It's not an amateur thing. It's a proper professional outfit. Yeah. You'll have certain figures that have weapons with a range of 12 inches, of 24 inches, of 36 inches. Okay. Okay.

[00:47:27] So if your opponent is moving their own units around the field, you need to know if your weapons are in range. So what do you get? Okay. A trusty tape measure. Yeah. And do you favour a flexible tape measure, one of those rigid ones that you can lock into place? What sort of tape measure do you like? A rolly one? What's your favourite one? We're talking the proper stuff. You know, the one that plumbers use.

[00:47:56] One that comes out of a little box and has a little metal bit on the end. Exactly. And another thing I learnt recently, those tape measures, you know how everyone bends them? Mmm. You bet to get the proper... The actual box has a measurement on it. So if you get the box, so it'll say how wide it is. So you just have to back it up into where... So you don't have to bend. You just gotta add it to what's on the yellow bit. This is... We should be doing an episode on tape. Right?

[00:48:24] How many times have you snapped yourself with one or hit yourself? It feels like you're playing with fire when you're a kid using one of those, you know? Yeah, it's a sign that all Warhammer players wear with pride. The more bloodied and sinewy your hands, the better a player you are. Yeah, you notice each other from your little scars. Exactly. It's like the Masons, but just sort of handshakes. Everyone's bleeding over each other. I'd say it's like the Masons, but cooler.

[00:48:51] I'd prefer to hang out with someone who's into Warhammer than someone who's into Freemasonry. Oh God, yeah. I'm sure there's also probably a massive crossover there somewhere. Both bad at handshakes, stereotypically, I think. Yeah. But we're not talking about Warhammer and we're not talking about Corduroy. No! As much as I can try and make us not talk about my chosen topic. Yeah, yeah. What are your thoughts on the Bermuda Triangle, Hugh? Do you know anything about... Have you... How often do you think about it?

[00:49:17] I'd say between the ages of seven and 13, I probably thought about little else. I'd say it took up most of my waking moments. For our producer, Anya, who's not on this episode, it was Quicksand. For Michael, it was how cool America is. He still hasn't got over that. For me, it was Giant Squid. For me, it was the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, I think I thought it was incredibly cool. I think I thought there's no way I would ever get in a plane or a boat that was flying over that.

[00:49:46] But also, I'd love to... I think I probably thought that I'd love to sail up to it and sort of have a look to see if there's anything going on. Like if you could see a whirlpool. If you were able to just go to the edge of a whirlpool and have a look in. But obviously, you couldn't because you'd be dragged in. So yeah, I think I was probably obsessed with it for quite a long time. I mean, it's a very cool concept. Yeah. But unfortunately, well, I suppose unfortunately now, like, I definitely just don't believe in it at all.

[00:50:13] And yet, if you give me maybe four more examples of people who've disappeared, I'm right back in. Cody, what about you? Yeah, I couldn't have put it better myself. I remember getting given a book. Maybe other people have this book. It was like, it was like a hardback book. And it came in like a silver case that you would that would close and have like little bars on it. And it'd be quick to say, like, do not open. And it was a book of conspiracy theories, which I mean, you couldn't do now because you'd turn your term.

[00:50:43] Then people would spiral. But I guess this was sort of pre pre internet conspiracy theories that came in little books and you just gave them to kids. And in that book was was no end of stuff. We're talking moon landings. We're talking JFK. We're talking the similarities between JFK's assassin and Abe Lincoln's assassin. You know, Abe Lincoln was killed in a Ford theater. JFK was shot in a Ford vehicle. It's that kind of thing. And, you know, Mary Celeste.

[00:51:12] That was also familiar with that. I mean, that's a brilliant. I was obsessed. And so that's the gateway drug to the Bermuda Triangle. You're talking weird sort of nautical mysteries. You're just a tiny tear in reality away from the Bermuda Triangle. And that's how I got swept in. I was met. Mary Celeste was that first hit. And ever since, I can't stop thinking about triangles and specifically the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. Is the Bermuda Triangle your favorite conspiracy theory?

[00:51:43] Well, is it a conspiracy theory? No. Or is it just... Okay. Well, we do a little rapid conspiracy theory. We actually did an episode on conspiracy theories a while ago, which people should go back and listen to. So can I fire some, again, real things at you and you let us know if you believe them or not? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So Bermuda Triangle. No. Moon landing. Sorry. Let me... Wait. What does yes mean and what does no mean?

[00:52:13] Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, yeah. You should really establish that. But no, I just realized... Yeah. No, Bermuda Triangle... I'm in two minds, you know, because I want to say yes for the enjoyment of more discussion. Yeah. We better leave that... Let's leave that verdict till the end of the show. I don't want to be like, no, it's bullshit. That's for final judgments. Did the moon landing happen? Yes. Go on then. Did Oswald act alone in killing JFK? Ah, don't know enough about it. Did the Egyptians... That's not what conspiracy theorists are supposed to say.

[00:52:42] They're supposed to say yes, the Jews did it, Cody. Actually, the absence wasn't sufficient for me to make a reasonable ruling. I'm just already worried that I called someone isosceles and that sounds racist enough, so I don't want to bring the Jews into this. Who wrote... Who wrote... Who built the pyramids? Ah, okay. Now this is a good one. Right. So I... My... We already mentioned earlier that I'm addicted to TikTok. I cannot tell you how many videos I get.

[00:53:10] It's like every other video is this guy telling me more information about the pyramids. And it's always the same, like, conclusion, which is that aliens came down and sort of interbred with humans and they had their superhuman strength and they built the pyramids. And it sounds pretty compelling. So that's who did it. So why do you think the aliens came down and just did the pyramids? And then like... Ah, you know, it's like if you start a new hobby, you might...

[00:53:38] You might, you know, like, I'm going to get into painting. You paint a picture and then you think, ah, actually I'm not bothered. It's everything you do in your head framed in the reference of Warhammer. Yeah. They came down, they made a model, painted it, got bored. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their fingers got nicked by a tape measure and they thought, fuck this. I'm going to go get a girlfriend. Yeah, actually the aliens were just like time traveling gamers workshop employees who all they did was they brought tape measures down. Exactly, exactly.

[00:54:06] That was their lasting legacy, the tape measure. And any, again, any player of Warhammer will know that you make tabletop scenery. And what is a pyramid if not just a giant wargaming tabletop scenery? Yeah. Do you know what? I had actually, I should have mentioned this when we talked about Warhammer earlier. I used to go to Warhammer Club every week at school. There you go. They all come out the woodwork. They all come out the woodwork. I didn't... Everyone's silent when you start talking about Warhammer.

[00:54:33] Then suddenly you just, you sort of normalize it in a tiny way and everyone comes wheedling back out of the woodwork. You're like, oh actually I was at Warhammer Club. Oh actually I had Chaos. I had Eldar. Oh did you now? Well you weren't saying that half an hour ago when I was being absolutely rinsed in the pub. Thank you. Yeah, walking home. Actually mate, just so you know, I actually really like it. I just didn't want to back you up there. Sorry about hitting you. I'm not a fucking idiot.

[00:55:04] Sorry about joining you. Yeah, I just didn't want to get hit. So you think the pyramids was aliens? Flat Earth? How do you feel about the Flat Earth one? Well I've not been in space. But the Flat Earth does seem a bit insufferable so I'd probably say it's probably round. Well, the Flat Earth and Bermuda Triangle have a little crossover. No. Because there is a theory. So are you familiar with the firmament? Ah, is this the flat plane? The flat... No, the flat plane, that's Earth. It's not called flat firmament. Firmament. Oh fuck.

[00:55:33] You can't insult someone when you don't get the word right. Yeah. Flat Earth and the firmament is the big dome that keeps us all locked in. So, they do missile testing. The governments, all the governments do missile testing to try and break through the firmament, I think? I'm not sure. No way. All of... You know how you see like rockets and like chemtrails go across the sky in a curve? Yeah. That's because they're curving over and they all land in the Bermuda Triangle.

[00:56:02] I don't think I've ever seen a... Because I know the phrase chemtrail is also a reference to conspiracy theories. I've never seen one of those that look bendy. Well, that's proof of flat Earth as well then. Ah, shit. I don't know, just whatever works. So hang on, so they're saying that there's a dome, so if a chemtrail bends it's proof of a dome and if it doesn't bend it's proof that we're on a flat Earth. All I know, I don't know how they necessarily do the logical gymnastics. Well, because that seems pretty solid to me.

[00:56:31] All of the missiles land in the Bermuda Triangle and the reason you can't go through the Bermuda Triangle is because the government ships will sink you. Oh. And obviously, I went through the Bermuda Triangle but that must have been like, you know, the government allowed us to go through or something. Ah, or they made a mistake, they didn't spot you. Yeah, that's... Yeah, yeah, in the giant cruise ship I was in. Yeah, that's... I mean, that's interesting. So would they think that every single person going through the Bermuda Triangle

[00:57:01] is intercepted and shot? Because surely not, because that's... Like you said, that's... I mean, you're living proof that that's not true. Yeah, well, maybe I'm a paid government shill. Yeah, an agent. Are you aware of the NASCAR lines? Cody. Yes. I've... Remind me, I've heard of it. So we discussed this on the Conspiracy Theories podcast as well and this is one I can't really get around which is that these are lines in Peru that were drawn in the ground.

[00:57:31] Like, I don't know where they etched into the ground in the desert like 2,000 years ago. But some of them are like kilometers long but they form like pictures of animals, you know? Right. And you can only see them from the sky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like they'd never be able to see how they actually looked. So really, when I say they were done 2,000 years ago by the people living in Peru, obviously what I mean is, again, aliens. Yeah. I see what you mean.

[00:58:01] So I've just looked up a picture and, you know, they're shit. Are you going to say they're not very good? Yeah. They're shit. Do you know, if it's like... They look like if you were like, I'm gonna put a stick in the ground or whatever they used and be like, I'm gonna draw a cat. And they're like, yeah, go on then. Look at the spider one. And then you do it and it would look like that. It looks like a shit cat, a shit monkey. Where's the spider one? They're pretty symmetrical though. Do you know what?

[00:58:31] The cat one is funny. The cat one feels like all of the aliens or whatever were doing all these amazing intricate ones. And there was an alien called Will. It was like, poo poo poo pants. I'll have a go. Can I just say, as a teacher of children of different abilities, you know, this happens all the time. You know, not all of us can do the hummingbird, you know? Is that a dance move? You know, I'm actually... I know I've sort of been going along with the pyramid stuff, but I've actually... I think I've decided just in this conversation that I think all conspiracies are... They're all bollocks.

[00:59:00] I think there is some... There'll be some explanation. Like the Nazca lines. If you're honestly being like, ooh, they're shit. They're really bad. That's just someone 2000 years ago dicking about being like, watch me draw a cat. And people go, go on then. And then they did it. And they were like, alright. The woke elite saying, oh, there'll be some explanation. Yeah. I don't know what it is, but there'll be an explanation. I've got 80 guns. Are you really going to argue with me? But it...

[00:59:28] It's the first woke argument that invokes 80 guns. Yeah, exactly. It's finally the crossover that we need. But that is... That's what conspiracy people rely on, isn't it? Where they're like, oh, we'll explain it then. And it's like, it's not like... I can't explain it, but I also can't be bothered to explain it. And there will... Like, there's loads of things I can't explain. I don't know how a TV works, but it's not a conspiracy, is it? I don't know how we're doing this right now. I don't know how what I'm saying is getting to you.

[00:59:56] And then I don't know how it will be packaged and then other people listening to it. Do you know, like, the idea... I actually find, like, mobile phones and conversations over Zoom and all that, I find that much easier to understand than the idea of an old-fashioned telephone. Like, how on earth did we talk to people over wires? Like, what? Yeah. How does your voice go under the sea immediately? Does your voice change into a different format and then be reformed? And it's still your voice. It still sounds like you. You see? Yeah, that's fucking creepy.

[01:00:25] These are the conversations we should be having. Not pissing about with Nazca lines. Yeah. Hoovers. How does a Hoover work? We need answers to this. Not shitty cat drawings. I can't... Actually, that's pissed me off, actually. Yeah. You seem really... Did you look at any of the other ones? Because the cat is the worst one. The spider is pretty good. Yeah, but it's also not, is it? No. If I drew that for you and I was like, I've drawn a spider, I think you'd be like, this is a joke. But if it was nine kilometers long, Cody, I'd at least sit up and listen. Yeah.

[01:00:54] And if you said, hey, come and look at this spider that I've drawn, and I came to a field and it was just like, you'd walked around and like, cut some lines in the ground. I'd be like, what's this? And then thousands of years later, you took me up in the sky and showed me it. I'd be like, whoa! What? You just don't like big figures, do you? You'd prefer them if they were tiny. And you could measure them with your measuring tape. He likes... He wants tiny models. Tiny models. Yeah, but it's like... But what if they were like, you know, the sort of Picasso of their time?

[01:01:24] Maybe they're just really talented in that way. They're just like, actually, you know, I've got a great sense of direction. I've got a good sense of proportion. I'm a little bit arty. Yeah, they could do that easily. It just, you know, I'm not saying that any idiot could have done it. Maybe there was just one talented person that was like, I could try my hand at making a massive spider. And maybe he started with the cat, which is why the cat's shit. He thought, actually... Or she. Or she. Sorry. Or she. And then they're just, you know, they've gone... There's something in that though.

[01:01:53] That's like, come and have a look at this. Yeah, I know it's a bit shit. But I could do... If you give me a bit more time to practice, I could do better. And then all of the other ones that are sort of progressively less shit are this one talented person just being like, I'm onto something. I mean, I'll keep doing it. I'll keep getting better. And then eventually you get to the spider and everyone's like, fucking hell, that looks good. Do you know what? I preferred you when you were angry about it. You've now just become very reasonable. This is what I mean. Like, that's all... And the Bermuda Triangle.

[01:02:23] You know, it's like... I looked up a little article this morning and it said... Oh, in the Bermuda... I think it's like Britannica, whatever, the encyclopedia. Yeah, that's what they wanted to read. Since... But genuinely, the first line is, the Bermuda Triangle has claimed 50 ships, over 50 ships and 20 aircraft. And I was like, is that it? That's not a lot, is it? Yeah, yeah. That's not a lot. I'll be honest though, Cody.

[01:02:49] When Will told me, oh, I've got this friend who's coming on and he wants to talk about the Bermuda Triangle. I didn't really think that someone was going to come on and say, I just want to debunk everything, to be honest. I just think it's all not a license. I'm the voice of reason. You don't very often get people who want to talk about conspiracy theories, but listen, I approve. Bermuda Triangle, the Sea Venture, 17th century English sailing ship that crashed in 1609. What play did it inspire? It's a Shakespeare play. Yeah, definitely. Is it The Tempest?

[01:03:20] It is The Tempest. Yes. 10 points to go. Thank you. That starts with a shipwreck, doesn't it? It does. Yes. Have we got anything else that we want to talk about with Bermuda? What about John Lennon's Bermuda tapes, Hugh? You love John Lennon. Yeah, I mean my least favorite Beatle, but... Whoa! Well, sorry, that's probably not true. I mean that more on a personal level. He and I didn't get on. No, obviously exceptionally talented. Well, I don't know about his Bermuda tapes. What are his Bermuda tapes? They're post-Beatles, obviously. Oh, he went to Bermuda, wrote like 20 songs. And did he?

[01:03:50] Sorry, I just... I love the... I just love the... No, obviously John Lennon's exceptionally talented. Yeah, yeah. He crumbled so quickly under questioning. As a caveat, in case anyone didn't know. I'm a Paul guy though, you know? I'm a Paul guy, so... So is John just... I just... I always feel like... I feel John would have bullied me if we'd been in the same class and school, you know? That's the impression I get from John Lennon. You know, now you say it actually. I want... He's not a Warhammer boy.

[01:04:18] No, he's not a Warhammer boy. He would make fun of the Warhammers, you know? Who's the most likely to play Warhammer out of the Beals? George. Definitely George. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely George. Ringo would have a go. Ringo would have a go and Ringo would be great to have there, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Much like in the Beatles themselves, Ringo was just great to have around, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I think Ringo would be like... He'd start narrating it like he does Thomas the Tank Engine. I really love the small figures, but I'm just not very good at painting them.

[01:04:48] The space marines are walking across the field. Yeah. The dark Eldar... Not as good... They don't have good armour. I can't... I don't know what Ringo Starr sounds like. You sound more like Bob Geldof. I don't know what Ringo Starr is saying. Every time I click my finger, every time I click my finger, a little Warhammer figurine falls into the sea. There's a play of Bob Geldof's life happening. Yeah.

[01:05:17] And he apparently goes to see it all the time. Just to remember. Yeah, it's nice. If someone did a play about me, I'd be going to see it all the time. Yeah. That's brilliant. That, to me, that's quite endearing. It is quindry. That's not an egomaniac. That's... Obviously. If someone said to you, we've made a film about you, you'd be like, fucking hell. That's the first... I'm dropping everything. I'm dropping everything and I'm going to go and watch it right now. Dick Cheney probably doesn't watch that one all the time.

[01:05:47] The one Adam McKay made, you know. I bet he does. I bet he does. I bet he does. He does, actually. I bet he does. Yeah. Of course you would. Especially... Even worse if someone's making you out to be a bad guy. Yeah. I'd be like, what the fuck did they say? What did they say about me? What was that then? You rewind it, you rewatch it. Yeah. Cody, is there anything else that hasn't been discussed about the Bermuda Triangle that you're like, oh, I can't believe it. Well, we've not actually discussed the theories as to what it actually is. Well, there's quite a lot.

[01:06:15] So, well, I watched a little clip and it was basically just a bunch of... You know those, like, weird professors that are like, professor at Strange University and then they're just there talking about the Bermuda Triangle and then I'm like, you're definitely not a professor. They seem a bit like tech bro-y type. They're wearing really tight shirts and they're clearly getting off on it. But there were some that's like... The most recent one is rogue waves. Oh, yeah.

[01:06:40] Which happen when multiple weather fronts collide and these waves can come out of nowhere and they can actually travel against the wind and then smash boats apart. Then there's the methane theory, which is that there are pockets of methane under the seabed that when released make the water less dense and create whirlpools and swallow things and then go into the air and interfere with the electromagnetic field which causes planes to go off course. Then there's seaweed.

[01:07:08] I mean whirlpools are scary as hell, aren't they? Wait, what was the last one you said there, Cody? What did you say? I missed it. Seaweed. Seaweed. Yeah. This dates back to Christopher Columbus, apparently, when he was trying to get to America and they just encountered a load of seaweed and they were stuck there for 10 days and they thought, this is a scary place. Genuinely. And they had to cut themselves out. Yeah. Is this the Sargasso Sea? Yeah. That's right. Yeah, which is why it's still called that. Yeah.

[01:07:37] And all the eels breed there, I think. Yeah. And they were saying as well, when that seaweed rots, it creates sulfur dioxide, which smells disgusting and makes people go a bit mad. So it's just a big old farty place. Yeah, exactly. With loads of waves. It's a bit smelly. It's a bit, yeah, the weather's a bit rough and that's it really. Yeah. But in this clip, I was sort of, you know, again, I don't believe what was being said,

[01:08:07] but I was like, it's quite interesting. And then genuinely, you can find this clip out of nowhere, Lawrence Fishburne just turns up and starts and he's just like, the Bermuda Triangle is really mysterious. And then he disappears again. Genuinely, that's all he says in this documentary. He disappears and then it goes back to normal and no one even references that Lawrence Fishburne has just turned up, which I think is more mysterious.

[01:08:34] They just tried to find any famous person with a vaguely aquatic name. I think he can talk about it. Yeah. Who else? Who else would there be? Who else has a Nicola Sturgeon? If Sturgeon turned up, I would have lost my shit. I think it was a conspiracy. Michael Bay. I genuinely think we've talked about Lawrence Fishburne. Amazing. Very good. Michael Bay. I think we've talked about Lawrence Fishburne before. We have. We've talked. Trying to find other famous people whose name is a cooking thing. Yeah.

[01:09:04] I think we were very specific. I said a way of ineptly cooking seafood. It was quite difficult to do that. Turns out. Have you also heard a hypothesis about the agonic line or agonic line or agonic line? I don't know how to say it. No. There's a place at which there's no need to compensate for magnetic compass variation as you approach the Bermuda Triangle. So it could be human error in trying to navigate.

[01:09:32] And also, I think the people went missing a lot more in the past when equipment wasn't as technologically advanced. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a good line of inquiry, that isn't it? Where you go, okay, how many people have gone missing in the last 10 years in the Bermuda Triangle? I don't know. I don't know what that would be. Maybe it's none. And then you go, well, how many people went missing in the same period 100 years before? And it would be loads.

[01:10:01] And then that's case closed, isn't it? What I want to know is, though, is do planes and ships avoid it, though? Like, do planes not fly over or do they do? Do they do? Or do they do? Doobie doobie doo. No. No. Unless you're a nutter. Okay. They just go straight through it. Okay. As will is a living proof of. You sail right through it. That's true. They make no business of it. Yeah, they don't care.

[01:10:29] But like I say, I do genuinely, if I was on a ship, if I had gone to those lengths and traveled that far, the least I'd want from the captain would be to be like, ooh, we're going through the triangle. Ooh. Ooh. It would have got a great reaction. To come over and be like, we are now flying 30,000 feet above the, 20,000 feet, 10,000. What? Yes. That's very good. Yeah.

[01:10:54] I'm just looking at flight radar 24, which is a, you know, live tracking. And there are a shitload of planes in the Bermuda Triangle. Well, let's keep watching. Check back in five minutes. Yeah. The AAL 2694 from Georgetown to New York. Ooh. Seems like it's going fine actually. God, there's a lot of planes in the sky, aren't there? Oh, it's absolutely unbelievable how many planes there are. That's mad.

[01:11:23] And you can say what they all are. I've never done this before. Yeah, yeah. Look at how many planes are over Florida. Yeah. It's, it's quite sickening actually. Like how can they all be like, oh my God, when you zoom in. That's pretty horrendous. Another theory whilst sort of looking at the Bermuda Triangle stuff. This is tangential, but there are two theories that I've now realized trawling through TikTok.

[01:11:50] That both rely on the idea that we're all dead. Okay. And one is that we died in 2012. And everything that's happened since is our life literally flashing before our eyes, which makes no sense because if we died in 2012, nothing would continue to go forward. But that's a legit conspiracy. And another one that I've heard that I, sorry, I'm going to self edit myself. I said the words legit conspiracy. It's on TikTok.

[01:12:20] It's not. But there's this other one that says we all died in the 1980s. And due to some catastrophic nuclear event, we're all dead. And that's why we're so nostalgic for 1980s pop culture. And that is all of the evidence they present for the validity of that. Basically, Stranger Things. Yeah. They're like, why Stranger Things so popular? We must all be dead. Ah, that makes sense.

[01:12:48] If you had to come up with a new theory, both of you, for why planes and stuff was going missing and now suddenly it's not. What would that, what would you do? Well, theory me. So I think, I think I've got it. And I think that's probably because a lot of people are a bit shit at doing things. Right.

[01:13:12] And I think, I think most people are, myself included, I can't, I can't sail a ship, but you know, I'm a bit thick, especially in that, in that zone. But if I so happen to be born in like 1830 to like a noble family, and they're like, fucking hell, he's a bit thick, that guy. What can we do with him? Like, he likes ships a lot. And I'm a nobleman. I got head straight for the harbor in my like garments.

[01:13:40] And I'll say, I want to be the captain. And they'll be like, yeah, just let him be the captain because he's the nephew of this guy. And he's a bit thick, but the crew, the crew is starting to sweat because you know, I'm trying to get some rigging and it's all snapping. The boats going everywhere, but I'm a nobleman, you know, I'm like, I'm important. So I'm like, he's thick as shit, but he's going to have to be captain of this boat. Where, where are we going straight for the Bermuda triangle boys? We're crashing onto rocks.

[01:14:08] I'm useless, but because I'm a nobleman, I'm in charge. And thankfully, even though there are elements of that sort of attitude still around today, I think that's probably why in the 1800s ships were going all over the place. Because thick people were put in charge because their families wanted them out of the way. You know, now if you've got that and like an annoying family member, you're like, just give them an iPad or give them some vouchers to what the towers or something.

[01:14:36] The 19th century equivalent to that is just give them a fucking sailing ship and let him fuck off into the, into the Atlantic Ocean and it'll be back. It'll be fine. So you need to transport this corrosive substance across this large expanse of water. Exactly. Yeah. And so that, that I think, I'm not even saying that's a theory. I think that, I think that's bang on. Yeah. I think that's... Thick mediocre people in positions of power. That's why everything's going to mess. Hugh, any theories? Any theories for the Bermuda Triangle?

[01:15:06] I'm not sure I can beat that, but I think it's probably... No, I don't think you can. This might sound unusual. I think it's probably the, the, the weakening of Catholicism in the Western world. Because the fact is that when that guy on his, had his ship butt crack in Miami, he brought Father Patrick Horgan out with him. And they disappeared, obviously because they got jumped, whoop, straight into heaven.

[01:15:34] And people just aren't bringing priests on boats anymore. So I think that's the reason. Oh. So it was like a, a quick access to heaven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a, it's like the sort of, the elevator at the end of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Yeah. Led Zeppelin got it wrong. It wasn't a stairway. No. And I'm climbing that priest up to heaven. That seems like a helpful conclusion to draw from this. There you go. Well, I think we've come to the end. So as is tradition with legitimate likes is we, we now vote.

[01:16:03] You both get a vote as to whether or not the Bermuda Triangle is a legitimate like. So Hugh, I'm going to ask you first. Is it a legitimate like? So like I say, it's all I thought about for quite a period of my childhood. And I thought it was really cool. And yes, of course it's ghoulish to think that a place where people die is cool. But let's face it. It is, you know? But do you know what? I was going to say it is a legitimate like because you still have those cool stories.

[01:16:30] But I think I'm just so disappointed now by the fact that there just doesn't seem to be anything for it anymore. And planes fly over it and people don't disappear. And Cody came on to talk about it and then said it wasn't real. And he didn't like the spider either. And he thought the cat was really bad. So like, I think like, yeah, I know I'm just kind of disappointed. And so I'm going to say it's not a legitimate like. Oh, I've never heard Hugh more emotional. So that's one vote against Cody. What do you think?

[01:16:59] Yeah, I mean, it's quite hard when you're watching these like, you know, History Channel documentaries where you see these people talking about it. I can't imagine looking them in the eye being like this isn't a legitimate like what you're doing because they're so exercised by it. And then and I think they are. They're all pretty open to the idea that there's not a single theory that like, you know, there's lots of it could be rogue waves. It could be seaweed. It could be sort of, you know, aliens fun.

[01:17:28] It's a bit they're a bit out there. But, you know, they they're so so so impassioned by it that it would be hard to say you can't have that anymore because it's not this is not legitimate what you're doing. But at the same time, they are they sort of are annoying twats and they do talk a load of shit.

[01:17:47] So I think it's not a legitimate like I think I think if you are going to spend your time looking into stuff, it should be more about how mediocre thick noblemen have driven thousands of people to their deaths over a few hundred years. That was great. Wow, you really brought us both. I didn't know where you were going there. You know, it was real. It was real Louis Walsh on X Factor vibes. You know, that wasn't a good performance. It was a great performance.

[01:18:21] So not a legitimate like I will say I do also think like your theory is seaweed or even waves. I'm kind of like, oh, that's not cool enough unless it's magic like massive magnets or something like that. I'll accept, you know, but yeah, I I totally agree. Although to be fair there. There is another theory that the volcanic rock underneath the Bermuda Triangle is magnetic and that's why all the compasses go crazy. But I totally agree you.

[01:18:47] I think it's a mad thing to be interested in and I think they should double down. I don't don't try and be like, we could just be some waves. It could be a bit so go hard to go full on. Yeah, it's a portal to another dimension. There's aliens walking among us. It's the people of Atlantis defending their home. You know, there's a 17th century sailor across the galaxy somewhere having the time of his life with a load of Martians. That's that's the route they need to go down.

[01:19:16] Don't try and make it mainstream and reasonable because it's not with Patrick Horgan and the butt crack. Yeah, they're all partying up there. Patrick Horgan and the butt crack. Just to think where is the butt crack right now? It exists in this sort of liminal spaces like between worlds in this dark sort of area that you don't often see. Exactly. Exactly. And they're still searching for those Christmas lights. Bless them. Bless them. Cody, thanks so much for coming on Legitima Life. Thank you so much for having me. It's been great.

[01:19:46] I'm sorry to poo poo all conspiracy theories, but I was starting to get a bit worried that people might have me down as a nut. No, I think it would have been worrying actually if you had been like a real Bermuda truther. Yeah. Imagine of all things. Hugh, have you had a nice time on the podcast today? I've had a great time. Yeah, it's great. I'm so glad. I was a bit nervous. I'm not gonna lie. Were you? Yeah. Were you nervous when you texted me at like 10 and we're like, is this still happening? Yeah. I don't know if you ever confirmed it, Will. Is this happening?

[01:20:16] Yeah, but I must admit, I love talking about conspiracy theories. I don't believe any of them, but that's not what the fun is about. No. It's true. The fun is the journey that you go on. It's not the conclusions that you draw. And it's been wonderful talking to the both of you about them. A real passion of mine since I got that little silver book when I was about eight. There we go. Silver book in the cage. Yeah. And listeners keep an eye out for the Bermuda Triangle podcast, which will hopefully reappear soon. Yeah, it's coming back.

[01:20:45] Keith will be back broadcasting from the Bermuda Triangle. Will, thank you for producing. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. I'm now going to disappear without a trace. Thank you for listening to Legitimate Likes. We hope you've enjoyed the podcast. Please go back and listen to some of our previous episodes, including the Conspiracy Theories podcast. I don't know when it was. Go and find it. You can listen to others along the way as well. Please get in touch with us. Let us know what you think at Legitimate Likes on Instagram and Twitter. And rate and review as well. And also tell a friend. You know, I was thinking this, Will. Do you know what?

[01:21:13] It'd be very easy for us to just get a million new listeners, right? Yeah. Just one person. Tell a million people. Or a million people. Cody, you're the only other person here. Does this come down to me? Yeah. If you could tell a million people. Yeah. Yeah. Can you tell 80 guns at least? If you could get each of those guns. Yeah. Or just put our logo on the... Yeah, each bullet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire it into the air.

[01:21:41] And say like there's a bullet with your name on it. Actually, it's a bullet with the name of my podcast on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, please, please tell a friend. We'll see you next time. Goodbye. Goodbye, everybody. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye. Such an uncertain goodbye. I love it. Well, he's in the Bermuda Triangle. It's a conspiracy. Is he really leaving?

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