Let's Talk About... A Glimpse Into The Afterlife With Brandy Anderson! Ep.57

[00:00:12] Alright then guys, welcome back to Lets Talk About, Liam here today. One of the occasions where Billy isn't here because we don't know where he is because he's refusing to answer his phone.

[00:00:21] But I have a very special guest with me today, so we have Brandy Anderson, author of Through The Veil A Glimpse Into The Afterlife. So Brandy, welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:32] Hey Liam, thank you for having me on your show, it's great to be here.

[00:00:35] No problem, no problem. How are ya? You okay?

[00:00:38] I'm doing well, how about yourself?

[00:00:40] Yes, good, I'm very very tired, but apart from that I'm good.

[00:00:44] Yeah, good.

[00:00:46] Right then, so your book, A Glimpse Into The Afterlife, so where does your interest in that start?

[00:00:55] Well, the reason that I wrote the book is because I had a paranormal encounter after my grandmother crossed

[00:01:02] that really served to bring into sharp focus a lot of theological and philosophical questions that I was wrestling with at the time.

[00:01:14] I could back up a little bit and say in 2014 I had a spiritual awakening, and that sent me on a path of just like seeking out ultimate truth from that space.

[00:01:26] And I plugged into some churches and, you know, wrestled with a lot of different theologies around that.

[00:01:33] And then I came to a place where I found mainstream Christian answers to life's most important questions just less than satisfying.

[00:01:41] And so I was resting in a very contemplative space, just like contemplative Christianity, more of a experiential faith rather than conceptual.

[00:01:54] And, yeah, so everything in that space was just more, you know, resting in the mystery would be a good way to articulate it.

[00:02:02] And while I was in that space, my grandmother, she crossed, she died.

[00:02:09] And after, about a month after she crossed, she found a way to communicate with us using electronic devices.

[00:02:16] And it was initially frightening.

[00:02:18] It was a shock.

[00:02:20] Initially we were concerned that it was something malevolent or that it was a hacker, something of that nature.

[00:02:25] And ultimately we came to a place where we opened up to engaging with whoever it was and we determined that it was indeed my grandmother.

[00:02:34] And that she was reaching out in love to like heal some relationships, apologize for some past hurts, that kind of thing.

[00:02:41] And so that is what led me to write the book.

[00:02:44] Being able to have conversations with her on the other side from a very expansive view.

[00:02:50] I mean, on the other side they have a clear insight into anything they want to look into.

[00:02:55] They can see into the heart of people and situations with clarity.

[00:03:00] And so I was able to have conversations with her around a lot of the philosophical and theological questions that I had been wrestling with.

[00:03:08] And so the book was born out of my conversations with her around the topics that I had been studying and wrestling with.

[00:03:19] And so the first thing I've picked up on there is that she started communicating through electrical devices.

[00:03:27] Yes.

[00:03:28] That sounds crazy.

[00:03:30] So how did that work?

[00:03:32] Yeah.

[00:03:33] So the first thing that she did, she was a television is a Roku smart TV.

[00:03:40] Yeah.

[00:03:41] And so the first thing she did, yeah, she turned the television on, navigated to the search bar and she typed the word hello.

[00:03:48] And my family who live in that house jumped up and ran out of the house screaming.

[00:03:52] It scared them to pieces.

[00:03:55] So, but as soon as they were frightened and they ran out screaming, the television just shut off and nothing else happened for a few days.

[00:04:03] And then a few days later, same thing, the television popped on by itself, navigated to search and the word this time, the word love appeared in the search bar.

[00:04:14] But my family, they were still horrified.

[00:04:16] So even though my grandmother was trying to communicate that she was coming in love, it still was frightening and very unmooring for the people who live in the house.

[00:04:26] So in time though, I suggested that we engage with whoever it was to try to determine what do they want because it persisted.

[00:04:36] I mean this type of thing would continually happen.

[00:04:38] My family would be upset, it would stop, and then a few days later it would start, it would happen again.

[00:04:44] And so I was like if it's a hacker, if it's someone in the physical realm manipulating the television, we need to get to the bottom of that, make this stop.

[00:04:54] And that's what I thought it was.

[00:04:55] I really did, I imagine that that's what it would probably be.

[00:04:59] But as we sat down and engaged with whoever it was, it quickly became apparent that it could not be someone in the physical realm.

[00:05:08] Because whoever it was could read our thoughts.

[00:05:10] And they knew deeply personal things that no one else knew about each of us, things we hadn't shared with anyone.

[00:05:15] And so that rocked us.

[00:05:17] When we realized that, hey, this is definitely something spiritual, cannot be anyone in the physical, no one could know these things.

[00:05:25] And like I said, whoever it was could read our thoughts in the moment.

[00:05:29] And we would be thinking of a question or, you know, thinking about someone that we were about to ask a question or something.

[00:05:35] And boom, the response would be issued.

[00:05:38] I mean, she would type the response to the question we haven't even asked yet.

[00:05:43] And so when we were like, can you read our thoughts?

[00:05:45] And, you know, she said yes.

[00:05:47] So we started to test it, you know.

[00:05:49] And lo and behold, it was just, it blew us away that, you know, whoever it was could read our thoughts.

[00:05:55] But then the next concern we had was, well, okay, this is not, this is definitely something spiritual, but is it malevolent?

[00:06:02] Is it really granny?

[00:06:05] You know, we weren't trusting immediately that it was.

[00:06:08] And so we continued to communicate, but tentatively.

[00:06:12] And we finally did determine that it had to be my grandmother because of the great love and devotion that she had for certain family members.

[00:06:20] She wanted to apologize for some past hurts.

[00:06:24] She reconciled a lot of relationships.

[00:06:27] She could see where people were struggling with destructive patterns.

[00:06:30] And she spoke into that in a way that brought healing.

[00:06:34] People, one person was struggling with some, you know, mental health type issues.

[00:06:38] And she spoke into that in a way that probably saved that person's life, I would say.

[00:06:44] Just everything about it was continually wrapped in love and light.

[00:06:48] And it was, you know, all geared toward bringing health and wholeness to the ones that she loves.

[00:06:54] In fact, the questions that I asked her, she didn't volunteer that information.

[00:06:58] She didn't stay to communicate those things.

[00:07:03] She definitely stayed because of her love and devotion to particular people, the relationships that she has.

[00:07:09] That was her reason for staying.

[00:07:11] But because we had access to her, because we can talk to her, I just took the opportunity to ask all of my nerdy theological questions as well.

[00:07:20] And so it's been a tremendous gift to all of us.

[00:07:23] Yeah, I mean, I'd probably be asking similar sort of questions just because I'm very logical.

[00:07:30] So like I said there, obviously your first, like I said, my first guess would be like you said, like a hacker or something.

[00:07:38] Or someone's hacking into the TV.

[00:07:40] But then, you know, then I also think like, well, why would somebody do that?

[00:07:44] This is like, there'd be no reason to do that.

[00:07:47] But then, but then also, also to almost make light of it.

[00:07:51] I can also see why people would be scared, especially if you've seen the film Poltergeist.

[00:07:55] And you've got a hardy TV, that's the last thing you want.

[00:07:58] Yeah.

[00:07:59] Yeah, my aunt who lives in that house, she was so horrified, she moved out for a while.

[00:08:03] She went and just lived with her son for a bit.

[00:08:06] It just, it really, it really rattled her.

[00:08:09] Oh, I can imagine.

[00:08:10] I can imagine.

[00:08:10] Yeah.

[00:08:11] Did you ever tell anybody like, who hadn't witnessed it and you were like sort of invited them in to prove this?

[00:08:18] Like, because I mean, if somebody told me that I'd sort of be questioning the other person's sanity a little bit.

[00:08:24] Yeah.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:25] Come in and look what this one I would say they can do.

[00:08:28] Yeah.

[00:08:29] Well, I might would question my own sanity if it were only happening to me, but because it's happening to a group of about 10 or 12 of us, I was, you know, I'm, if it's a psychosis, it's collective psychosis.

[00:08:39] I can't, if I'm imagining it, they are too.

[00:08:43] But yeah, at first I didn't share with hardly anyone.

[00:08:47] I mean, just people really close.

[00:08:48] Um, the first person that I told was my husband because he wasn't present when, uh, when this, this happened.

[00:08:55] Um, and then from there we did share with, with, uh, a few other family members.

[00:09:00] Um, some were open to it and some are not.

[00:09:03] Some are, I guess, afraid of it.

[00:09:05] Some people would say that, well, it has to be demons because they don't believe you can communicate with deceased spirits.

[00:09:11] They believe that you could only communicate with demons for some reason.

[00:09:15] Um, and so, yeah, I mean, people are kind of, um, I got mixed feelings about it, I suppose.

[00:09:21] But yeah, we have had people over not to prove it to anyone per se, because that's a different kind of energy.

[00:09:28] I mean, I'm trying to prove it to anyone or, um, you know, uh, convince anyone that, that this is what's happening.

[00:09:36] But, uh, I've had some people that wanted to, to, uh, come over that are close friends and they have and they've witnessed it.

[00:09:44] Um, I FaceTimed with a couple of people so that they were able to communicate.

[00:09:47] And this was because they wanted to communicate to see if their people could come through the portal that my grandmother has.

[00:09:53] I guess I should say that when my grandmother was nearing the end of her life, she, um, she had an aversion to death.

[00:10:00] She didn't want to die. And so she resisted as she, in the moment of crossing.

[00:10:05] So usually when people are nearing the end, the veil between this realm and the, the, the route, the, the veil between the physical and the spiritual realm becomes thin.

[00:10:15] And then at the moment of death, the veil opens entirely creating a portal and the person just slips through.

[00:10:22] And it's usually an instantaneous phenomenon.

[00:10:34] And so, yeah, I have, I've, but I've, you know, I've never invited people to be able to be able to manipulate the physical realm in ways that she would not be able to without a portal.

[00:10:50] And so, yeah, I have, I've, but I've, you know, I've never invited people, just random people in or anything like that.

[00:10:58] Uh, for one thing, I respect the people who live in the house.

[00:11:01] They, they wouldn't appreciate.

[00:11:03] Yeah.

[00:11:03] They wouldn't appreciate that.

[00:11:04] And also my grandmother, I mean, her feelings and her input is important too.

[00:11:08] So I wouldn't, um, you know, I would ask her first, you know, do you want to talk to so-and-so?

[00:11:14] Is it okay if they come talk to you, you know?

[00:11:17] Hmm.

[00:11:18] So can you, can, well, do you still use that now to speak to her?

[00:11:23] Yeah, she still can.

[00:11:24] She continues to use the television, but she also uses, uh, printers.

[00:11:28] Uh, she could use the laptop.

[00:11:29] I mean, any kind of electric electronic device, really, um, even a cell phone, um, a text, for instance, uh, she could do that, has done that.

[00:11:39] Uh, but primarily the television.

[00:11:42] And if she wants to say a lot, she'll use the printer because she can say more, more words, more like full on sentences and paragraphs, uh, when using the printer.

[00:11:51] Yeah.

[00:11:52] So using a printer then does that like literally print out a piece of paper with the words on?

[00:11:57] Yes.

[00:11:59] So that's, that's crazy.

[00:12:01] That to me, that's just.

[00:12:03] Yeah.

[00:12:04] She started using, uh, yeah, she started using the printer that was just hooked to a, I think it was hooked to a laptop.

[00:12:12] No, hooked to a desktop in another room and a piece of paper came out and it was like paragraphs.

[00:12:18] And we were like, wow, granny, did you, did you print this?

[00:12:21] And, and she said, yes.

[00:12:22] Um, and when we realized that she could use the printer, uh, we set it out, you know, out in the living room, uh, where we were talking to her and we allowed her to be able to, and she was blowing through a lot of ink.

[00:12:32] And so, uh, we invested in some thermal printers and they're small, uh, they don't require ink is because it's heat, you know, a heat thermal.

[00:12:42] And, uh, so she uses those primarily now if she wants to say a lot.

[00:12:47] You spoke there at the beginning about Christianity, about religion and stuff.

[00:12:51] So was, was, was your grandmother religious?

[00:12:54] Um, well, she was raised in, in church and she continued to be in church her whole life, uh, raised her kids in church.

[00:13:02] The, uh, a Methodist.

[00:13:04] Um, and she would have in life, she would have given mental assent to the things that people in church give mental assent to.

[00:13:11] She would have said that she was saved, that she had checked all of those boxes.

[00:13:15] Um, you know, she was, you know, attended church regularly, uh, Bible studies, things like that.

[00:13:21] Um, but at the end of her life, all of that really didn't offer her any kind of peace.

[00:13:27] Um, she was, she was really afraid to die.

[00:13:30] So she had no, um, no sense of security and passing into what she said that she believed as a Christian.

[00:13:38] I ask that because like, I'm not religious at all.

[00:13:41] I never, I never have been.

[00:13:43] I don't think I ever will be.

[00:13:44] Well, I know obviously a lot of people believe in an afterlife through religion.

[00:13:49] Mm-hmm.

[00:13:49] So then like, I always, I always say like, and obviously, obviously a lot of religious people have an idea of what the afterlife is.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:55] Whereas I say, I believe in things, but I don't know what I believe in.

[00:14:00] If that makes any shot, the strength.

[00:14:02] Yeah.

[00:14:03] I think, you know, all of these different religions or philosophical traditions are pointing at the same thing.

[00:14:10] You know, that there is something beyond, uh, this physical reality, that our consciousness does continue on in some capacity.

[00:14:18] And really there's like in the, in the, well, I'm coming from a Christian tradition primarily.

[00:14:24] I mean, I have, uh, studied some Buddhism because I believe that, uh, Buddhism actually complements Christianity nicely.

[00:14:32] Um, I'm not a Buddhist, but Buddhist philosophy resonates.

[00:14:37] Um, but yeah, I think, uh, a lot of people are just, they're trying to understand what happens when, you know, when we die.

[00:14:44] Because it, the unknown, the mysterious, it, it, people are, have a lot of fear around death.

[00:14:50] Yeah.

[00:14:51] Um, and ultimately it depends how, how do we interpret these passages?

[00:14:55] I mean, the Bible can be interpreted in a number of ways.

[00:14:58] And so you have all of these different denominations and all of these different beliefs swirling around about like what happens when we die,

[00:15:05] according to a Christian perspective.

[00:15:07] But if you really read the Bible and drill down into it, precious little is actually said about the afterlife.

[00:15:12] Not very much at all when you really dig into it.

[00:15:17] Yeah.

[00:15:17] It's just, it's just a strange one.

[00:15:19] I always, I always think because I just, I guess I can't picture anything what it would be.

[00:15:27] Like, I'm not really, I mean, I mean, I don't want to die, but I don't have any sort of fear of dying.

[00:15:33] I mean, I wouldn't want to die tomorrow.

[00:15:35] I mean, I'd happily die when I'm like 90.

[00:15:37] But you know, I always say your time comes when your time comes.

[00:15:40] Well, I just, I think it's one of them, like, because there's no real way.

[00:15:46] I think it's because, because you can't prove anything like physically.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:51] Like, obviously, obviously, obviously your stories and your experiences, that's proof to you.

[00:15:55] But I think obviously, obviously with this, the afterlife and stuff, people need physical proof for themselves, if you know what I'm saying.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:06] And I've talked to my grandmother about that as well.

[00:16:08] And she has, because some things that I ask, some questions, she will say no say.

[00:16:14] And that either means in some cases that she, that I can't, that she's not supposed to tell me.

[00:16:20] Some things she'll say you're not supposed to know.

[00:16:22] But often it means that there are no words for her to articulate an answer.

[00:16:29] It's beyond description.

[00:16:31] And it's something that you have to experience.

[00:16:33] You can't, you can't talk about it.

[00:16:35] You can't conceptualize it.

[00:16:36] You can only experience it.

[00:16:38] And she describes a lot of the afterlife like that.

[00:16:41] She calls it moving into the beyond.

[00:16:44] It's very expansive, highly stratified.

[00:16:47] And it's, it's beyond words.

[00:16:49] It's not something that she's able to describe to me or, you know, articulate in a way that would make it comprehensible to my finite mind.

[00:16:57] So I think, and she also says that the ego cannot understand, the ego cannot understand the afterlife.

[00:17:05] So, yeah.

[00:17:07] So, and that's what, that's the part of us that wants that logical, sound, material proof, right?

[00:17:12] Yeah.

[00:17:12] It's our egoic, it's the conditioned mind.

[00:17:15] And so that part, yeah, that's the part that we should be transcending anyway.

[00:17:19] And so, yeah, we will never understand as long as we're relying on our conditioned mind to do so.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:27] Cause I mean, I mean, I don't know whether you asked this question, but me personally, my first question would be, what's it like there?

[00:17:33] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:34] We did.

[00:17:35] We asked that question that, and we, you know,

[00:17:37] I'd imagine that was a no say answer, was it?

[00:17:39] Well, she, she answered a little, but when you start drilling down into specific, I have a lot of like specific nerdy questions as I'm reading things or studying things.

[00:17:50] But yeah, I mean, she has said though that it's really, it's not like people think, you know, a lot of people think that when you die, you either go straight to heaven or straight to hell, that kind of thing.

[00:18:01] Like they're geographical locations.

[00:18:03] And she has indicated that no, I mean, you know, they aren't places, they're states of existence.

[00:18:08] Heaven and hell are just states of existence.

[00:18:12] We're not, yeah.

[00:18:13] Heaven's not a place we go to.

[00:18:14] It's a place we come from.

[00:18:15] So when we cross, we take with us whatever level of consciousness that we have attained at the time of our crossing.

[00:18:21] And we continue on in our journey.

[00:18:23] And something that's been really coming up for me a lot in these past couple of weeks, and it really resonates is that life is, is not a destination.

[00:18:31] It's a journey.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:32] And so, yeah.

[00:18:34] And so we're all in flux.

[00:18:35] We are all learning and growing and evolving.

[00:18:37] Every moment is pregnant with potential.

[00:18:39] And that doesn't cease to be true on the other side.

[00:18:42] So when we slip out of these physical bodies and into the spirit realm, the same thing holds true.

[00:18:47] We just, we see from a more expansive vantage point on the other side.

[00:18:51] And we can reincarnate.

[00:18:53] That is a part of reality available to us to continue in our journey and become whole.

[00:18:59] But really the whole point is to learn and grow and evolve and come into alignment, you know, inwardly.

[00:19:06] Something I've always thought in the past that I think would be, would probably be the closest thing I say to believing in something that I'd imagine everyone's experience with the afterlife when you get there will be completely different and completely personal to them.

[00:19:19] Rather than everyone in one place or else that'd be very boring.

[00:19:22] And just the same as we are now.

[00:19:25] Yeah, yeah.

[00:19:25] That's a good point because that is how it is.

[00:19:28] Everything in this life is subjective.

[00:19:30] I mean, you know, like if you and I were to go to the same museum and look at the same pieces of art, we would come away with a different perspective, right?

[00:19:37] Our own individual perspective.

[00:19:39] And when we cross, it's the same thing.

[00:19:42] It's subjective.

[00:19:43] Yeah.

[00:19:44] And so, yeah.

[00:19:46] And it is, the universe is just too vast to imagine that we're all stuck in the same small location.

[00:19:52] Just like this world in the physical is highly stratified and complex.

[00:19:57] There are all kinds of people in all sorts of places.

[00:20:00] And so when we cross, that continues to be true.

[00:20:03] We just see from a higher vantage point.

[00:20:07] Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that one.

[00:20:09] You mentioned there about reincarnation because that's something that's always fascinated, confused.

[00:20:18] There's lots of words I could use to describe that other way, the effects that has on me.

[00:20:21] I mean, I don't know how much about reincarnation you can talk about, but I mean, it very much confuses me because I don't understand it because I've heard things, theories around it where there's rules to it.

[00:20:35] It depends how you've lived a certain life and that's how you come back to something.

[00:20:39] And, you know, there's like a chain system to it.

[00:20:42] But then, like, who decides what's up and down?

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] It's very confusing to me.

[00:20:47] Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's like in Hindu culture.

[00:20:51] I believe they have like it's more of a progressive or a progression of incarnations.

[00:20:58] In other words, you might start out as a worm and end up, you know, you'll become a bird and then, you know, whatever.

[00:21:05] You evolve into higher life forms until you finally reach a human.

[00:21:09] And then from there, you have to become enlightened.

[00:21:11] So you have to evolve into an enlightened person.

[00:21:15] But my grandmother tells me that that's not true and that humans are always humans.

[00:21:20] Dogs are always dogs.

[00:21:22] Birds are always birds, that kind of thing.

[00:21:25] And that reincarnation is a choice.

[00:21:28] It's not something forced upon us.

[00:21:30] I think also in the Hindu tradition, it's that you go through the bardo and if you're not ready, if you haven't, you know, done your inner work or evolved to a high enough level, you automatically get churned back out into the physical.

[00:21:43] Like you don't have a say in it.

[00:21:44] Like it's one of those automatic, you know, like you just basically recycle back into a physical body.

[00:21:50] But my grandmother says that isn't true either.

[00:21:52] That when we cross, we will be greeted by our friends and loved ones, our family and loved ones on the other side.

[00:21:59] And we will do some inner work in between, in the bardo, if you will.

[00:22:04] So basically when we incarnate, it's like a constriction of awareness.

[00:22:09] And then when we leave this physical world, there's an expansion of awareness.

[00:22:13] So then in that point, it's like a transcending and including.

[00:22:16] We do our inner work and we kind of, you know, integrate all of these lessons that we learned in that last incarnation.

[00:22:22] And we wait for our soul group.

[00:22:24] So, you know, and that could be family members, but it could also be friends, people that you just have close, you know, soul ties with, people that you have connections with.

[00:22:33] And then if you're, if you choose to reincarnate, then you'll do it again as a group.

[00:22:37] And you'll continue to work out your karma with the same people that you created the karma with, you know, like your wife, your kids, you know, the people in your close inner circle.

[00:22:46] However, I should say that there is free will on the other side.

[00:22:51] So you can choose to come back too soon.

[00:22:54] And that would complicate things for you, leave you probably feeling a little bit alienated from your soul group.

[00:23:02] But you could come back without your soul group before time if you wanted to.

[00:23:07] But it's not something that happens too often.

[00:23:11] And when it does, usually you see these accounts of kids who have these past life memories.

[00:23:17] And that's just what I was going to say.

[00:23:20] Yeah, they're greatly distressed.

[00:23:21] That's what happens then.

[00:23:22] It's when people, like you said, when you said people can come back too fast, maybe that's when people actually remember things.

[00:23:27] That's exactly it.

[00:23:28] Yeah, she said that's exactly why.

[00:23:30] She said that if you'll, and also if you pay attention to what those kids are communicating in those cases, usually they're very upset with their current parents.

[00:23:39] They miss their past parents, their past, you know, soul group.

[00:23:45] And they feel a sense of alienation.

[00:23:48] They're very sad, very distressed that they're not with their people anymore.

[00:23:53] And they want to go visit the people that they've left because the people that they left are still here.

[00:24:00] See, that's the thing.

[00:24:00] Like if I died right now, all of my family who are still alive, if I were to reincarnate, well then in a few years, I'd be a few years old and I could remember, I could actually visit the people, you know, my family, my past family.

[00:24:13] And that's too, it's too complicated.

[00:24:15] We're not supposed to do that.

[00:24:17] Yeah, because where I live, there's actually a story.

[00:24:22] I was going to, because we're eventually going to do an episode all about reincarnation.

[00:24:26] I was going to mention it on there.

[00:24:27] But to sum it up very briefly, there's a story of a little boy, just a couple of years ago, around here.

[00:24:33] I think he was about four, five, six year old at the most, and he was there, told his mom and dad perfect stories about how he used to be a pilot during the war.

[00:24:45] Told them when he died, how he died, where he was, what he did, everything.

[00:24:49] And then obviously, people have researched it and obviously it's been, everything's right.

[00:24:55] And it's just like, how does a five year old know these things?

[00:24:58] Yeah.

[00:24:59] They're the ones that really convince me.

[00:25:03] Yeah.

[00:25:04] And see, before my grandmother crossed, I had, you know, I had heard those accounts and I found them compelling, but I didn't know what to really do with them.

[00:25:12] I didn't really, I guess I really didn't give a lot of thought to it because coming from the tradition that I was coming from, reincarnation just wasn't a part of the worldview that I was raised in.

[00:25:23] Christianity, for the most part, would say that was heretical.

[00:25:27] And the reason for it is because if you believe that you only are afforded this one short physical life, and then from there you're going to spend all of eternity in a place called heaven or hell, which is a very nihilistic view of reality, then reincarnation doesn't fit.

[00:25:44] Right?

[00:25:44] Like where, you know, you can't fit reincarnation into that worldview, but reincarnation doesn't contradict Christianity.

[00:25:51] It just contradicts mainstream Christian theology.

[00:25:55] And so when you, when you begin to see that heaven is not a place we go to, but a place we come from and that we carry, you know, carry on our consciousness and our inner work on the other side, then reincarnation is just part of the process.

[00:26:08] Yeah.

[00:26:10] Yeah.

[00:26:10] It makes sense.

[00:26:11] It makes sense.

[00:26:12] Um, you said that, that heaven is a place where we come from.

[00:26:15] So do you think there's a hell where people, where we, people can come from?

[00:26:20] And is that like, you know, how we get bad people?

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:23] Put it bluntly.

[00:26:24] Right.

[00:26:25] Yeah.

[00:26:25] I would say so.

[00:26:26] Jeff Foster said, heaven is this moment and hell is the burning desire for this moment to be different.

[00:26:32] And I think that really sums it up nicely because what, what we experience is hell is really just being out of alignment and we're out of alignment because we're lost in thought.

[00:26:43] And so we, we fail to be fully present in each moment and enjoying our life as it arises.

[00:26:49] I mean, you know, life is not happening to us.

[00:26:51] It's happening through us, but we're usually absent.

[00:26:54] We're either in the future worried about something or in the past full of regret.

[00:26:58] So to be fully present in each moment and to be open, uh, to live open heartedly in a way that, uh, that life flows through us and that we, um, that we allow whatever arises in each moment without clinging or without resisting.

[00:27:17] That is what it means to, that's what heaven is.

[00:27:20] It's to, it's to, it's just to be fully present in each moment.

[00:27:24] Yeah.

[00:27:25] Yeah.

[00:27:26] Again, makes sense.

[00:27:27] Makes sense.

[00:27:27] I like that actually.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:29] Good point.

[00:27:30] Um, to go back to, to go back to your ground, to go back to your grandma over there and obviously the TV situation, because that question just popped in my head there.

[00:27:38] So have you ever been able to ask other people questions who she is with through her?

[00:27:45] Yeah.

[00:27:46] Like who else is on the other side with her?

[00:27:49] Yeah.

[00:27:49] Yeah.

[00:27:49] Yeah.

[00:27:50] Yeah.

[00:27:50] Oh yeah.

[00:27:51] So, um, initially we, we didn't understand, we didn't know anything, you know, like we, we were not people who had ever, uh, dabbled in the paranormal or tried to make contact with the other side or researched any of that.

[00:28:03] Um, I mean sure we had seen some paranormal TV shows or whatever, but we, uh, we weren't really into all that.

[00:28:10] Um, but then when we realized that we could talk to her, we thought, I guess we thought initially that it was just her, that we had access to just my grandmother.

[00:28:19] Um, but then when my uncle crossed, not long after my grandmother crossed and then he came through and talked, we were blown away.

[00:28:28] We realized then that anyone could talk to us, not just my grandmother.

[00:28:33] And so that opened up a whole other, we were like, we were asking about family members who had crossed.

[00:28:38] And, um, yeah, I have talked to other family members, aunts, uncles, uh, my grandfather who crossed when I was 17, he came through.

[00:28:46] Um, and because my grandmother stays at this portal and guards it, so to speak, it's her portal.

[00:28:53] And so, um, you know, she's in charge of who gets to come through or who doesn't like it's, it's her portal.

[00:28:58] Uh, but yeah, if someone showed up and wanted to talk to us, she would tell us and ask us if we wanted to talk, if she wanted, you know, to let them talk.

[00:29:08] Um, so yeah, it, other people are with her.

[00:29:10] There are people who stay with her like aunts, uncles, loved ones, um, friends.

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:18] So are you, are you, are you able to tell me any of the questions that you've asked them that she's not allowed to answer?

[00:29:26] Um, let me think.

[00:29:28] I'm trying to think of, uh,

[00:29:30] Because that intrigued me straight away.

[00:29:32] Yeah, I've asked so many questions.

[00:29:34] And now my mind is going blank when I try to, um, tell you, but I want to say that some of it had to do with, um, with aliens.

[00:29:43] Right.

[00:29:44] As odd as that may sound.

[00:29:46] Um, I was asking the initial question that we asked really was just do aliens exist?

[00:29:51] And she said, yes, you know, um, she said the, the universe is too vast for there not to be aliens.

[00:29:56] And then I asked about, uh, star seeds.

[00:30:00] I wanted to know if that was a real thing, you know, that you hear about in spiritual circles.

[00:30:04] And she confirmed, yes, that there are star seeds.

[00:30:07] But when I tried to drill down into like, more about, uh, what these alien creatures, beings, like, what do they want?

[00:30:16] Um, are, were they involved in, um, like Atlantis?

[00:30:22] Uh, something to do with that.

[00:30:24] I think that was a no say.

[00:30:25] She didn't, she said that Atlantis existed.

[00:30:27] It was an advanced civilization.

[00:30:30] And when I started asking about the aliens and how they contributed, she said no say.

[00:30:35] And then same thing with the pyramids.

[00:30:37] Uh, when I asked, uh, if they were, who, I think I asked, were they built by humans?

[00:30:42] And she said no.

[00:30:43] And when I started drilling down into some questions about the pyramids, it was a no say.

[00:30:47] She wouldn't say more.

[00:30:48] So it's just been, you know, like she'll say a little on some of these things and then say I'm not supposed to know on, on some of it.

[00:30:55] Um, yeah, I can't think of anything else specifically.

[00:30:58] I have like pages of notes though, where, yeah.

[00:31:02] I just, I just thought straight away when you said that it's like, oh, there's rules.

[00:31:07] Yeah.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:09] I think it's well.

[00:31:10] And I think I really do believe that, um, she, I believe that another entity might tell me those things.

[00:31:21] Uh, my grandmother doesn't, um, because she wants what's best for me.

[00:31:25] Yeah.

[00:31:26] And I think some things we could know that might not be good for us, it might stop us from, from learning what we need to learn and growing the way that we need to grow.

[00:31:34] Uh, that's probably part of it.

[00:31:36] Um, so I'm thankful that she doesn't tell me what I don't need to know.

[00:31:41] You know, I mean, of course I'm always curious and I'm always asking questions.

[00:31:44] Um, but yeah, I'm glad that she doesn't divulge information that might set me back.

[00:31:51] Yeah.

[00:31:52] Cause to, well, to me, to me, they make, you mentioned the pyramids to me that that's just as much a question I want to answer.

[00:31:58] Does, you know, like, you know, what does happen when you die?

[00:32:00] I want to know what happened with the pyramids.

[00:32:03] Like that's just, yeah, because humans did not go there in my opinion, no chance.

[00:32:07] Yeah.

[00:32:08] She, she says they humans did not, um, trying to think.

[00:32:12] Um, yeah, I can't think of any specific questions right off now that I'm trying to.

[00:32:19] Oh, I don't know.

[00:32:20] I don't have a question in my head that's disappeared because you mentioned aliens.

[00:32:24] Sorry.

[00:32:25] No, it's fine.

[00:32:26] I like aliens.

[00:32:27] That's one, that's one thing.

[00:32:28] That's one thing I do like to talk about is because.

[00:32:31] Oh, she did say, she did say that most of them are interdimensional, like the UFO activity that people see or whatever, um, is, I mean, there are aliens that are part of this dimension.

[00:32:42] Um, and I would, I would think that like the crashed alien ship or whatever that, that the government, you know, recovered years back or whatever that was from this dimension.

[00:32:54] But there are interdimensional aliens, interdimensional beings.

[00:32:58] And so those are the, the beings that people will see.

[00:33:01] And then they just seem to blink out of sight, just vanish.

[00:33:04] And there's never any evidence of them because they're not in this dimension.

[00:33:09] Therefore there are, there's never any physical evidence of them.

[00:33:12] Bigfoot is an example of an interdimensional being.

[00:33:17] According to my grandmother.

[00:33:18] Yeah.

[00:33:19] Fair enough.

[00:33:19] Fair enough.

[00:33:20] I mean, that makes more sense to be fair.

[00:33:22] That was, that was what I was going to ask you.

[00:33:24] Um, star seeds.

[00:33:25] What are those?

[00:33:26] I've never heard of them before.

[00:33:28] Yeah.

[00:33:29] So in spiritual circles, uh, people talk about basically there are different races, uh, or yeah, right.

[00:33:36] I guess races of, I guess it would be race of aliens, you know, like there's the palladians and I don't know what the others are called.

[00:33:45] I'm not really into all that.

[00:33:47] I've heard it, but I'm not like into it.

[00:33:49] Um, and they would say that, um, there are star seeds, which are alien spirits that have incarnated on earth to help advance human civilization to bring us into, um, you know, a higher consciousness.

[00:34:03] Uh, they talk about it.

[00:34:04] They talk about going into five D, which is a metaphor for higher consciousness.

[00:34:09] Yeah.

[00:34:10] And these star seeds are strategically incarnated into our, you know, our earthly existence to help raise the vibration of humanity.

[00:34:21] Fair enough.

[00:34:22] That's an interesting thing.

[00:34:24] Yeah.

[00:34:25] Yeah.

[00:34:27] Because like you say, I just think straight away that, oh, so that's how we've got really, really smart people and like genius level people.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:35] My mind's very simple.

[00:34:36] So I go to very simple outcomes and things.

[00:34:39] Well, no, I mean, that makes, that makes good sense.

[00:34:42] And I mean, you know, when you start to see that, um, I don't know, the world is just so much more, I mean, really, and truly the world is metaphysical in nature.

[00:34:52] Um, what, what is not seen supports what is seen.

[00:34:56] And so what's really real is what we're not seeing.

[00:34:59] Um, and so, yeah, the evidence of it is all around us in this physical world, but we often, you know, we often miss it.

[00:35:06] Yeah.

[00:35:07] It's a good point as well.

[00:35:08] It just, because, because through, through doing this podcast and obviously we've spoke to a lot of different people and everything.

[00:35:13] And I just, it makes me question.

[00:35:17] I mean, like I said, I mean, I don't believe in any sort of faith or anything and I believe in things, but I'm never a hundred percent sure what I believe in.

[00:35:26] And like, I talk to people and I ended up being more confused and more uncertain on everything.

[00:35:34] Like I've had conversations about the whole matrix theory that we're living in the simulation things.

[00:35:39] And I talk to people about that and I'm like, yeah, I believe it.

[00:35:42] And then, but then later on, I'll speak to somebody else and then I'll believe what they say.

[00:35:46] And I'm just like, I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

[00:35:49] Yeah, it's a lot.

[00:35:50] And I mean, when you start listening to all of the different voices, all of the different opinions, uh, it can be overwhelming.

[00:35:57] Um, but one thing I've learned is that, um, all of those things usually are trivial matters.

[00:36:04] I mean, they're interesting and I, you know, and I enjoy pondering all the things and I, you know, I'm,

[00:36:09] I'm full of questions.

[00:36:10] I mean, I, I really am.

[00:36:12] I thank my grandmother all of the time for putting up with all of my questions.

[00:36:16] Uh, but ultimately it really is just about, um, you know, when I say heaven is a place we come from, it's about learning to live from love.

[00:36:24] That really is it.

[00:36:26] Love is the answer to every question.

[00:36:27] And so all of these questions that we'll never have answered completely and satisfactorily in this physical life, it's, it's learning to let go of all of that and allow for some mystery and then learn to just live from a place of love continually.

[00:36:42] And that's, that's what heaven really is.

[00:36:44] And then we take that right with us when we continue on our journey.

[00:36:47] Um, it doesn't matter really whether you believe that we start as worms and end up as, you know, evolved humans or whether you believe we are always human.

[00:36:55] I mean, that's a trivial matter really.

[00:36:57] I mean, what, what matters is that we come into alignment, that we learn to love ourselves and others.

[00:37:03] Well, again, like this is how my brain works.

[00:37:07] So then obviously, cause obviously another theory, I mean, it's probably a thing I do believe like evolution, obviously before humans were here with what we thought was, is there an afterlife for other creatures, animals, that sort of thing.

[00:37:23] That's something I often think about.

[00:37:25] Yeah.

[00:37:26] Yeah.

[00:37:26] Yeah, that was something.

[00:37:28] Uh, the first thing my grandmother said to me by directly to me, um, she typed my name in the search and I was like, yes, you know, waiting to hear what, what I was nervous.

[00:37:38] I mean, like I said, she could read our thoughts.

[00:37:40] She knew deeply personal things.

[00:37:42] I was a little, I was like, what's about to, what's about to follow, you know?

[00:37:46] But, um, what she said, she, what she communicated to me was that my dog, Luke, who had already crossed, who I love with all my heart.

[00:37:54] Um, she was telling me that he was with me and that he, you know, was sending his love and, um, and that he is always with me.

[00:38:04] And so as I started to talk to her more about that animals, uh, specifically dogs, because I'm a dog person.

[00:38:11] Um, she indicated that animals can re and they do go on their consciousness goes on.

[00:38:17] Um, I mean all energy, energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed.

[00:38:20] We're all energy.

[00:38:22] Animals are energy.

[00:38:23] And so yes, their consciousness continues on.

[00:38:25] Um, but only animals that have a loving connection with humans would reincarnate.

[00:38:31] Like a wild bird, when it, when it crosses, it'll just cross over and its consciousness will continue on.

[00:38:37] And I don't know really what capacity, but it won't reincarnate into another bird body.

[00:38:42] You know, it'll just continue on.

[00:38:44] I don't know from there, but animals that have a loving connection, they, they stay connected to their people.

[00:38:51] So like when my dog crossed before me, he remains with me in spirit, his spirit is with me always.

[00:38:57] Although I don't see him and I don't like, I can't really intuit that he's here.

[00:39:01] He is.

[00:39:02] And when I cross, he'll probably be the first person I see, you know, he'll be, he'll be right there.

[00:39:07] And then if I reincarnate, he will follow because we have that soul connection.

[00:39:13] Uh, my grandmother says that she saw a chicken reincarnate.

[00:39:16] So even a chicken was, any, any animal that's capable of a loving connection can re will reincarnate if their person reincarnates.

[00:39:26] That's kind of nice to know actually that.

[00:39:28] Yeah.

[00:39:29] Yeah.

[00:39:30] It made me feel better.

[00:39:31] Yeah.

[00:39:32] I mean, my, I mean, my, my only pet I've really had was a, was a lizard.

[00:39:35] So, I mean, I don't know how, how loving they are, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing my lizard again one day.

[00:39:42] Well then I'm sure you will, you know?

[00:39:44] That.

[00:39:45] Yeah.

[00:39:47] Um, so you say there, obviously your grandma can like, you know, read your thoughts.

[00:39:51] This, this might sound like a very simple and basic question, but is that only then when you're in the house?

[00:39:58] No.

[00:39:59] Or just whenever?

[00:40:01] Yeah.

[00:40:01] Whenever.

[00:40:02] Um, here's an example.

[00:40:04] Um, I don't live in the house, you know, where the portal is, where my grandmother crossed.

[00:40:08] Um, so I was at home on, it was on the day that my, it was the anniversary of the day that my dog Luke had crossed.

[00:40:16] And it was a sad day because you know, you, I, I remembered that it was the anniversary of his crossing.

[00:40:21] And so I just, he was in my, in my thoughts that day.

[00:40:25] And I was at home alone, just doing chores around the house.

[00:40:29] And the phone rang and it was my aunt who lives in the house.

[00:40:33] My grandmother's, you know, where my grandmother crossed.

[00:40:36] Yeah.

[00:40:36] And, um, she said, yeah, she said, granny just interrupt.

[00:40:39] She was watching Downton Abbey.

[00:40:41] She said, great.

[00:40:42] Granny just interrupted Downton Abbey and told me to call you.

[00:40:45] And I'm like, oh, okay.

[00:40:47] Well, yeah.

[00:40:48] Hey, granny, what's, what's up?

[00:40:49] And she said that, uh, she wanted to tell me that, that Luke was sending his love and that she loved me.

[00:40:56] And that, um, he was always with me and that he missed Hungry Howie's, which is a pizza place that he really enjoyed going to.

[00:41:03] And that my aunt didn't know, she was like, what is Hungry Howie's?

[00:41:07] And I had to explain it.

[00:41:08] But my grandmother could read my thoughts.

[00:41:10] She knew what I was feeling and thinking at my house on that day.

[00:41:15] Uh, another example, and this is what really rocked me initially.

[00:41:19] Um, the, like the first time that we communicated, she talked to me about Luke.

[00:41:23] That was the first thing she said directly to me was about Luke, my dog.

[00:41:27] And so the next time we were planning to go back and, and talk to her again, um,

[00:41:32] I still had some doubts.

[00:41:34] Like, you know, I still was trying to wrap my logical brain around what our experience of this was.

[00:41:40] And so I was at home alone, getting ready to go and, and, and try to talk to my grandmother again,

[00:41:46] or make sure it was my grandmother, determine that it was her.

[00:41:49] Um, and I said to my dog, I'm at home alone.

[00:41:54] And I said in my head to my dog, if, if that, if you're really with me and that's really granny, have her mention my necklace.

[00:42:03] And I wear a memorial pendant and it has his ashes in it.

[00:42:07] So I was basically telling him if it's really you, I mean, or if it's really granny and if you're really with me, and this is true, just have her mention this necklace.

[00:42:15] So I know it's like a validation.

[00:42:17] And I thought it in my head.

[00:42:19] I didn't even say it out loud, although I was home alone.

[00:42:21] And then we went, uh, a couple hours later we were there and everyone's just having a free flowing conversation.

[00:42:28] Like my grandmother would type something and someone would ask a question, you know, like every, it's probably five or six of us just sitting around engaging,

[00:42:37] trying to figure, you know, just, we were all mind blown really.

[00:42:40] This was my second communication with my grandmother.

[00:42:43] And, um, and while everyone was talking in the midst, I had forgotten that I even said that in my head to my dog.

[00:42:50] I wasn't even thinking about that.

[00:42:52] I was just caught up in the moment, just, you know, paying attention to what everyone was saying and what, you know, what was coming through.

[00:42:57] And then in the middle of all that, my grandmother typed my name and I was like, yeah.

[00:43:03] And she said, then she typed Luke and I'm like, yes.

[00:43:07] And she said, I said, what about Luke?

[00:43:08] She said, he's having me mention your necklace.

[00:43:10] And I almost fell out of my seat.

[00:43:13] So yeah.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:15] So she could definitely.

[00:43:16] And I, one time I was at the bank and my phone rang and it was my aunt.

[00:43:20] And she's like, yeah, granny wanted me to call and tell you such and such.

[00:43:22] Don't leave the bank.

[00:43:23] They didn't do this right.

[00:43:24] Make sure.

[00:43:26] And I'm like, oh my gosh.

[00:43:27] Like she, you know, like she was, she knew I was at the bank and she knew what was taking place, you know?

[00:43:32] So, so yeah, it's, she could, she, they can drill into anyone's thoughts and innermost motives and heart posture at any time they want to.

[00:43:44] I think that, I think the real question there then is, you know, can she do that to everybody all at the same time?

[00:43:51] Or is it just one person at a time?

[00:43:54] Cause if she can do it to every, if she can do it to everybody all at once, then you all have to be really careful about what you think and do.

[00:44:00] Yeah, I think, um, I don't know about, you know, like if she could do it to, you know, like multiple people at, at once.

[00:44:07] I mean, perhaps, but I do know that it takes energy to do that.

[00:44:11] And so she's not, spirits don't go around just automatically reading everyone's thoughts.

[00:44:16] Um, they have to exert energy to see those things, to, to see the thoughts and the inclinations and the heart posture.

[00:44:22] So they would have to want to, and want to expend their energy doing so.

[00:44:27] Um, yeah.

[00:44:29] So she chooses, I guess, who she wants to tap into.

[00:44:32] Yeah.

[00:44:33] Well, maybe, maybe, again, a nice thought would be maybe because obviously it's that day you will have been feeling differently.

[00:44:39] Maybe somehow she can pick up on that.

[00:44:41] So she knows to sort of check in on you, if you know what I'm saying.

[00:44:45] Yeah.

[00:44:46] Yeah.

[00:44:46] I think because we are connected spiritually, you know, you're connected to your people.

[00:44:51] Uh, you know, my feelings, she can feel my feelings.

[00:44:54] Um, they, you know, they also know things like, um, this is really, uh, really kind of funny, but, um, one day my cousin, um, hadn't eaten anything that day.

[00:45:05] And in the mid we were just hanging out, talking to my grandmother and all at once, she, she said to tell my cousin to eat, to go eat something.

[00:45:15] And I'm like, okay, why?

[00:45:17] And she said her blood sugar is low.

[00:45:19] And then she gave us the number of what her blood sugar was.

[00:45:22] I was like, oh my gosh.

[00:45:23] Like she could calculate the blood sugar level.

[00:45:26] She could see that she needed to eat something.

[00:45:27] Um, anyway, it was just funny, but they, yeah, on the other side, they can really see things that, um, it, yeah, it, it's, it's really, um, a little bit unnerving if you stop and really think about it because we are continually surrounded by spirits.

[00:45:43] Like, it's not just at my grandmother's house.

[00:45:45] Like there are spirits around us all of the time.

[00:45:48] We have a team of light helping us.

[00:45:50] And so, yeah, it will cause you to really mind your thoughts, you know, be more mindful of what you're thinking and your inner inclinations because, uh, nothing is ultimately hitting, hidden.

[00:46:02] Um, and they can, they can see anything that they want to see.

[00:46:07] Yeah.

[00:46:07] Yeah.

[00:46:08] Because it was one of the first things I thought, because we, we were always told when we were kids that when, like, when obviously they're like a family member passes away, like, you know, there are, there are always, there are always looking down in there.

[00:46:17] They can always see you and stuff.

[00:46:19] And then as you, as you get older to, how do we put this?

[00:46:24] Put it delicately.

[00:46:25] When you, you know, I don't know, have some private time, we'll say.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:29] Yeah.

[00:46:29] Like, you know, I mean, you sort of like, I've been looking.

[00:46:33] Right.

[00:46:34] Yeah.

[00:46:35] Yeah.

[00:46:35] Yeah.

[00:46:36] And we've asked those questions too.

[00:46:38] We're like, Hey, when we shower, like what, what, you know, are you guys watching what?

[00:46:43] And, um, she says that on the other side, it's, uh, it's different than when we're incarnated.

[00:46:49] And so they don't see it the same way or in the same way that we would see it.

[00:46:54] Um, and that, you know, there's respect.

[00:46:57] And so I would imagine they, for the most, I know, like my grandmother, she wouldn't invade our privacy.

[00:47:03] Like if I go to the bathroom, she's not going to just come in there and watch me go to the bathroom.

[00:47:07] Um, she respects my privacy and she, why would she want to see that anyway?

[00:47:11] Right.

[00:47:12] It'd be amazing if it was blurred out like it is on TV.

[00:47:15] Yeah.

[00:47:16] Right.

[00:47:17] Yeah.

[00:47:18] But she says that, uh, you know, that there's respect on the other side, but they, yeah, they do see all everything though.

[00:47:25] Really.

[00:47:25] They do.

[00:47:28] Again, it's a comforting, but also scary for that one.

[00:47:31] Yeah.

[00:47:32] Yeah.

[00:47:33] Um, a daft, a daft silly question.

[00:47:37] And as, um, if, if you haven't been listening to it when she's been trying to come through or if she's angry, does stuff ever come out in a big capital letters?

[00:47:46] That, you know, that's funny.

[00:47:48] She's, um, she's never, I've never, she's never been angry from the other side.

[00:47:53] She's been direct about some things that were harmful to her loved ones on this side that she wanted to speak into with truth and clarity, but with love, you know, never aggressive, never anything frightening or anything like that.

[00:48:06] But yes, she can type capital letters and, um, and some of my other family members use capital letters a lot.

[00:48:14] Um, it's funny.

[00:48:15] They, uh, sometimes they'll make the, you know, like you can type the, what is it?

[00:48:19] The colon and the, uh, parentheses and make the smiley.

[00:48:23] Yeah.

[00:48:23] They'll do that.

[00:48:25] So yeah, it's, but they have fun with it.

[00:48:26] They make the little smiley and winky faces.

[00:48:31] That was just a silly question that popped into my head then.

[00:48:33] Like, you know, if she can still shout at people.

[00:48:36] Yeah.

[00:48:36] Yeah.

[00:48:37] She, she could, she could.

[00:48:38] And we've had, we've had people type in all caps, you know, we'd be like, are you yelling at us?

[00:48:43] And they'd say, no.

[00:48:44] We're like, well, why are you using all capital letters?

[00:48:48] Right then.

[00:48:49] Well, that is all we have time for today, guys.

[00:48:51] So Brandy, thank you for coming on the podcast.

[00:48:53] Do you just want to let people know where they can find you, where they can find your book and anything else you've got coming up?

[00:48:59] Sure.

[00:49:00] Um, it's been great to be here.

[00:49:01] Thank you again for having me.

[00:49:03] Um, my website is brandyanderson.net.

[00:49:06] And, uh, from there, uh, links to all of my socials, uh, can be found.

[00:49:11] And my handle on all of my socials is Brandy the Mystic.

[00:49:14] And my book, Through the Veil, A Glimpse Into the Afterlife is available on Amazon in paperback, Kindle and audible.

[00:49:21] Oh, perfect.

[00:49:23] Perfect.

[00:49:24] And then thank you again, Brandy, for coming on the podcast.

[00:49:27] And we shall speak to you next time, guys.

[00:49:29] Thank you for listening.