Let's Talk About... Werewolves! Ep.19

[00:00:00] Right then guys, we are back. Welcome back to Let's Talk About. You've got your favorite

[00:00:11] hoods, Billy and Liam, got it right that time? Well done. Oh Bobby is your now called

[00:00:17] a card in the David? Yeah. Yeah, I'm Bobby now guys. So thanks David. Um, bear with us

[00:00:25] cause our voices are a little heavily, don't know. Yeah, I don't know the word for it.

[00:00:31] They're just, they've been a little bit attacked. We've been doing our terrifying tails

[00:00:34] in drawers. We've had a very productive day. We certainly have. If you haven't checked

[00:00:38] out those episodes as well over terrifying tails. Highly recommend. Yeah, you absolutely

[00:00:43] can't miss them. You really, really can't miss them. Anyway, this falls in line with

[00:00:48] terrifying tails as well. What we're going to be doing for you today, mate. And that is

[00:00:53] the, uh, Lichenwolf, mate. We're going to be doing werewolves. Nice. So are we ready?

[00:01:00] Yeah, crack on, mate. How are you anyway, mate? I've got a little disaster. Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:05] Just sort of lost traction of time, haven't we, mate? Yeah. Well, I'm just dreading going

[00:01:09] to the gym after a few hours. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've, I've got to go back to a five-reel

[00:01:13] mate. So, I'd rather be a spot I'd have a go for a run. Yeah. So even if I do have the

[00:01:21] knees of an 18-year-old and the lung capacity of a two-year-old, which I've discovered since

[00:01:24] that, didn't this? Honestly, I think I've matched it genuinely. Oh, I can do 100 metres and

[00:01:28] that's the art. 100 metres, mate. It's really going to do 100 yards. Right. Come on,

[00:01:32] then werewolves. Werewolves, mate. So the ancient origins

[00:01:36] of werewolves. So the werewolf is a staple of supernatural fiction. Whether it be film,

[00:01:43] television or literature. You might think this snarling creature is a creation of the medieval

[00:01:48] and early modern periods, a result of the superstitions surrounding magic and witchcraft. In reality,

[00:01:56] the werewolf is far older than that. The earliest surviving example of man-to-wolf transformation

[00:02:01] is found in the epic of Gilgamesh from around 2,100 BC. Look at hell. All right. Crazy, man.

[00:02:11] It's a little bit more of an old-tail man. However, the werewolf as we now know it first appeared

[00:02:16] in ancient Greece and Rome. So you're imposing with that man? Absolutely, mate. Where do you get

[00:02:21] where to? I get a bit further down there. It's right up my street. In ethnographic, poetic and

[00:02:29] philosophical texts, how about that man? That was good for you. That was fantastic for me.

[00:02:34] I was three big words. These stories of the transformed beast are usually mythological, all

[00:02:42] or some have a basis in local histories, religions and cults. In 425 BC, which might add is 55 years

[00:02:51] before Leonidas and her 300 Spartans defended for modeling. If you haven't seen our great history

[00:02:57] AP, or checked that out, Greek historian Heroditus, you might have heard of, described the Neurie,

[00:03:06] a nomadic tribe of magical men who changed into wolf shapes for several days of the year. The

[00:03:13] Neurie were from Sifir. Sifir. Sifir. Feel a bit more comfortable pronouncing it like that. Can't speak.

[00:03:23] Three big words in his foc. Sifir, land that is now part of Russia. Using wolf skins for warmth is

[00:03:32] not outside the realm of possibility for inhabitants of such a harsh climate. Potence definitely

[00:03:38] aware of. Who's a dick? I was just saying what that much. This is likely the reason Heroditus

[00:03:49] described their practice as transformation. The Werewolf myth became integrated with the local

[00:03:56] history of Arcadia, a region of Greece. Here Zeus was worshipped as Lycan Zeus. Oh, that's a Lycan

[00:04:06] Zeus maybe in Greek pronunciation. Possibly. Quotation wolf Zeus. I don't know what I like the sound of that.

[00:04:13] Right. In 380 BC, Greek philosopher Plato told a story in the Republic about the protector turned

[00:04:22] tyrant of the shrine of Lycan or Lycan Zeus. In this short passage, the character Socrates

[00:04:30] remarks, the story goes that he who tastes of the one bit of human entrils minced up with those

[00:04:38] of other victims is inevitably transformed into a wolf. God, he's a hell of a man with his word

[00:04:45] Socrates. Truly a pillar of time, man. Literacy evidence suggests cold members mixed human flesh

[00:04:57] into their ritual sacrifice to Zeus. Both plainly, plainly the elder and well, fucking hell.

[00:05:07] Pouseness. Pouseness. Pouseness. Pouseness. That one. What then knows this? Discuss the participation.

[00:05:17] Discuss the participation of a young athlete. Demaricus or Demarcus. In the archaedian sacrifice

[00:05:27] of the adolescent boy, when Demarcus was compelled to taste the entrils of the young boy, he was transformed

[00:05:36] into a wolf for nine years. Recent archaeological evidence suggests that human sacrifice may have

[00:05:44] been practiced at this site. Now we're on to monsters and men. The most interesting aspect of

[00:05:52] Plato's passage concerns the protector turned tyrant, also known as the mythical king, Lycan or Lycan

[00:06:01] expanded further into Latin texts, most notably Hygienus, Hygienus' fabulaire and Orvid's metamorphoses.

[00:06:14] Lycan's story contains all the elements of modern werewolf tale, immoral behaviour, murder and

[00:06:21] cannibalism. In fabula, the sons of Lycan sacrifice their youngest brother to prove Zeus' weakness.

[00:06:30] They served the corpse as a swedore feast and attempted to trick the god into eating it.

[00:06:39] I've got a question for you. Yes. You like Greek mythology and stuff like this and everything?

[00:06:44] I do all of it. But you can't fucking say words, mate. You're right.

[00:06:47] You're right. Honestly, yeah, this... I mean, Swedore.

[00:06:51] It's a swedore PSE UDO UDO.

[00:06:54] It's a material, isn't it? Swedore. Swedore feast.

[00:06:57] That's like Spanish-wared shoes. Yeah, sounds about right.

[00:07:01] Swedore. A furious use slayed the sons with a lightning bolt and transformed their father into a wolf.

[00:07:10] In Orvid's version, Lycan murdered a mutilated, a protected hostage of Zeus,

[00:07:16] but suffered the same consequences. Orvid's passage is one of the only ancient sources that

[00:07:22] goes into detail on the act of transformation. His description of the metamorphoses

[00:07:31] uses haunting language that creates a correlation between Lycan's behaviour and the physical

[00:07:37] manipulation of his body. So I believe this is a little quote here.

[00:07:42] So he tried to speak, but his voice broke into it and echo in howl.

[00:07:47] His ravenous soul infected his jaws. His murderous lungs were turned on the cattle.

[00:07:54] He still was possessed by bloodlust. His garments were changed to a shaggy court

[00:08:01] and his arms interleged. He was transformed into a wolf.

[00:08:06] Orvid's lycan is the origin of the modern werewolf as the physical manipulation of his body

[00:08:15] hinges on his prior immoral behaviour. It is this that has contributed to the establishment

[00:08:21] of the monstrous werewolf trope of modern fiction. Lycan's character defects are physically

[00:08:29] grafted onto his body, manipulating his human form until he becomes that which his behaviour

[00:08:36] suggests and perhaps most importantly, Lycan begins the idea to transform into a werewolf you

[00:08:44] must first be a monster. The idea that there was a link between biology, i.e. appearance

[00:08:52] and immoral behaviour developed fully in the late 20th century. However, minority groups

[00:08:59] were then were more often the target than mythical kings. Law enforcement scientists and the

[00:09:08] medical community joined forces to find court cures for socially deviant behaviour such as criminality

[00:09:16] violence and even homosexuality. Although there is a lot of talk that in ancient great times,

[00:09:22] that was common wasn't it? Yeah. Science and medicine were used as a vehicle

[00:09:31] as a vehicle through which bigotry and fear could be maintained as shown by the treatment

[00:09:37] of HIV affected men throughout the 1980s. However, where will starry surely idea has ancient origins?

[00:09:46] For as long as authors have been changing bad men into wolves, we have been looking for the biological

[00:09:53] link between man and action. So wolves are mongers. Here you go. Well, well, hand the fuck on,

[00:10:00] you know exactly how this works your fucker. Right, so we got another little trailer to play for you

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[00:11:10] So wolves among us Liam it is five real life werewolves from history so we're gonna start.

[00:11:18] Now this intrigues me more than the fun place. Yeah here we go, Matt some good stories here.

[00:11:24] So have you ever heard of that with me on the pronunciation? The beast of give them down.

[00:11:30] I can't say enough. Give widen maybe. So let me tell you in the 18th century the former French province of

[00:11:40] give wilden was terrorized by the so called Labette du Gavaldon. There you go it's the best you

[00:11:48] gonna get. Yep all the beast of Gavaldon. The beast was first spotted by a woman tending cattle

[00:11:54] in the forest near Langongye in June. Her bulls scared it off but not long after it attacked and

[00:12:04] killed a 14 year old girl over the ensuing months sightings and attacks mounted. Those who had

[00:12:12] seen the beast described a large wolf with unusual red fur staked with black or straight with black

[00:12:20] sorry and it was prolific. According to a 1980 story there were 210 attacks in all 113 of which were

[00:12:29] fatal. Christ. In 1765 so when we talked about in the previous episode King Louis the 15th

[00:12:37] decreed that the French state would help slay the beast now can I just mention King Louis was in

[00:12:42] the vampire talks as well. Yeah yeah all around the same time. When the appointed professional wolf

[00:12:47] one is Jean Charles Mark Antoine Vomisot the the the message DNN. Sorry I crucified those names

[00:13:00] just the tabate Antoine. You called him Jean François. And his son Jean François

[00:13:07] Jean. Jean François failed to kill the beast. I think it is anyway. No similar that.

[00:13:17] Right so he didn't kill it so what happened then? So the king sent Lieutenant of the Hunt

[00:13:22] Francis Antoine instead. Antoine slayed three giant gray wolves yet the attacks still continued

[00:13:31] it wasn't until a local hunter named Jean Castell shot a wolf on June 19th 1767 that the attacks

[00:13:40] were declared over. So what color was this one? He shot. Does it say? It doesn't say. Well then

[00:13:48] that's stupid then curious because first of all that first one to kill in the gray wolves well he's

[00:13:52] a fucking idiot then isn't it? Because it's quite clearly said that it was red and black. That's

[00:13:55] right yeah. Red with black streaks yeah. It could have been an alceation then of course.

[00:14:02] So nowadays it is thought that the beast of Guadagnac was not a single wolf at all sorry

[00:14:08] but many individual wolves. When France went on a wolf killing rampage these wolves were slaying

[00:14:16] one by one until none were left and the attacks abated. So not that killer wolves were unusual.

[00:14:25] According to historian Jean Marc Morris where some 7600 people were killed by wolves in France

[00:14:32] between 1362 and 1910. How many? 7600. Jesus right yeah it's a lot of wolves now.

[00:14:41] For wolves. That again is nearly a 700 year time for you. Yes well it's true.

[00:14:47] I don't know if it's a 100 year or something like that. I don't know if it's a story but is

[00:14:55] there any actual people who were suspected here? No not a miss one. You started to lost me a little

[00:15:01] bit, not going to lie. Yeah it's a bit of an outlaw you don't have a set of normal wolves and

[00:15:05] men. Yeah well we've got five stuff we've got four more. Right go on it. So now we have the Livonian

[00:15:11] wolf. Wherewolf confessions could be quite peculiar. Take these of Coltonburn, Coltonburn living

[00:15:19] in Swedish Livonia in the 17th century. These was widely believed among the neighbours to be a

[00:15:27] werewolf who had dealings with the devil. He got me as he character. Local authorities didn't

[00:15:34] much care. After all, These was in his 80s. Oh Jesus. What harm could he do with a few tall tales?

[00:15:45] But when they brought him in for questioning on an unrelated matter in 1691,

[00:15:51] he voluntary began divulging details of his werewolf lifestyle. Although with many inconsistencies

[00:15:58] they would then maraud the countryside killing farm animals and cooking and eating them. When asked

[00:16:07] how wolves cooked meat he declared they were still human, not wolves. When it was revealed that These

[00:16:15] was not a devout Lutheran and indeed practiced a form of folk magic involving charms and blessings

[00:16:25] the judges ordered These, flogged and exiled. What happened to the strange chap after that is unknown.

[00:16:33] His story only grew stranger. He claimed that werewolves were the agents of God

[00:16:39] and that traveled and that would travel to hell to battle the devil and his witches bringing back

[00:16:45] grain and livestock the witches had stolen. In fact he said he had done so just one year earlier.

[00:16:54] Contradict did his earlier claim of having renounced Lycan forpe. So that's his story anyway.

[00:17:00] Right fair enough. Now we have The Wolf of Ansbach. That sounds German.

[00:17:07] It definitely sounds German, you'll find out. So in 1685 a wolf was terrorising and killing humans

[00:17:14] in the town of Newse's in the principality of Ansbach in what is now Germany. This was not

[00:17:22] unusual but the town's chief magistrate Michael Light had just died. It was a cruel and unpopular man

[00:17:30] and it was said that the wolf visited light, light, light residents so it was only a small leap for

[00:17:38] people to claim the wolf was light returned as a werewolf from his sins or for his sins.

[00:17:46] The wolf's death was not terribly eventful. The people organised a hunt and chase the wolf

[00:17:52] into a well and killed it. What they did with the body is pretty horrible.

[00:18:00] I just wanted to do that. So they paraded it through the streets and prepared it for display.

[00:18:06] They cut off its muzzle, dressed it in human clothes and placed a wig on its head and a mask

[00:18:11] on its face. The foxer pointed at him so that it resembled light. Jesus. Yeah. They then hung the

[00:18:19] body from a giver so that everyone might enjoy the sight. Poor wolf. It's a bit extreme.

[00:18:25] That's like fucking people were just mental back in them. We are near the 1700s or so.

[00:18:33] They're only at 1600s. Yeah it's mental. So anyway after some time the wolf was removed from the

[00:18:41] giver and its corpse preserved and put on permanent display at a local museum because that's not

[00:18:47] weird or creepy at all. So is that still kicking about? Yeah believe so. Yeah. It's in a local

[00:18:53] museum there somewhere there. I have to find that and get a picture of it for the Instagram.

[00:18:56] Yeah definitely definitely. If we can do that. The wolf was a Vanspok.

[00:18:59] Alright that's the fella. Moving on. So here we have the werewolf of Alaris.

[00:19:08] Wightly thought of it as Spain's first ever serial killer, Manuel Blanco Roma Santa

[00:19:14] is unusual for a werewolf. Operating late in the mid 19th century. A little closer now.

[00:19:22] Actually, Roman Santa was an unusual case in a few ways. Born in 1809 he had been raised as a girl

[00:19:32] until what? Hang on. What? Anyway he had been raised let's carry on. He had been raised as a girl

[00:19:39] until about the age of six. At which point doctors discovered he was a male? Fantastic.

[00:19:46] Don't question. He grew up. No no no no no because I need to because I don't understand how that

[00:19:52] happens. I know. Well I don't know. When did you say this was? This is in 181809 and by

[00:20:00] the time it was six so we're talking. Yeah so like I mean yeah I mean yeah I mean 18.

[00:20:04] Didn't have all the medical advancements that we have now but I mean I don't know I know there's

[00:20:09] that condition where you're born with sort of like to put it bluntly a bit of both down there but I

[00:20:13] mean how can how can you be comfy? How can you like look at it and not know which one it is?

[00:20:21] I don't know. It must have been quite convincing. But I mean surely I mean oh yeah you need

[00:20:26] a look for us there's a bag that looks like a bit of elbows again then you know it's a fucking boy

[00:20:31] anything else than no. Oh this looks like a ham sandwich at first. Developed over the years.

[00:20:36] Right. I thought you could take that bit out. He grew up, married and worked as a tailor.

[00:20:45] When his wife died in 1833 he took up the travel in salesman trade also guiding travelers

[00:20:52] around Spain and Portugal. His first known murder was Vicente Fernandez, the Constable of Leon.

[00:21:00] Fernandez was found dead in 1844 after attempting to collect a debt from Roman,

[00:21:07] Roman, Roman, Roman Santa. Rather than face the law, Roman Santa fled to Portugal.

[00:21:18] During this time he murdered several people who had hired him as a guide. He was not a

[00:21:24] cunning man. Roman Santa was noticed selling their clothes and rumours started to circulate that he

[00:21:31] was selling soap made with human fat. Jesus. Nice. Nice. Yeah, that's how I look. There's an old

[00:21:37] there story of an old woman who used to do that. You know some random stuff. I know I did. It's

[00:21:42] crazy. Don't worry that's enough for episode. I thought I thought I thought what are you about that?

[00:21:47] So a complaint was lodged, lodged, sorry a complaint was lodged and Roman Santa was arrested.

[00:21:55] He confessed to 30 murders but here is where it gets wolfish. He said he had been cursed with

[00:22:02] Lycanthropy. Lycanthropy? Will you just make your mind? Which way you fucking say that instead of

[00:22:08] saying I'm bored because I'm gonna have to piss around and take them out. He was cursed with

[00:22:11] Lycanthropy. There we go. But upon being asked to demonstrate his transformation abilities,

[00:22:18] Roman Santa declared that the curse had passed and he was no longer afflicted. He was actually

[00:22:24] acquitted of four of the deaths. That's acquitted, right? All right. Those forensic examinations

[00:22:34] had been committed by real wolves. However he was found guilty of the rest. A

[00:22:42] a chronological examination of Roman Santa by doctors determined that he had invented his

[00:22:48] curse and he was sentenced to death. Death. This was commuted to life imprisonment on the request

[00:22:56] of a French hypnotist who believed that Roman Santa was suffering a delusional and petitioned

[00:23:03] a stare of execution so that he might study the man. An 1863 news paper reported that

[00:23:09] Roman Santa passed away that year in prison from Stumac Cancer. Lovely. Yeah, it didn't really

[00:23:18] wasn't really much of a wearable story. No, I'm a bit confused to be honest.

[00:23:25] So he was charged obviously with killing some people but then obviously he was acquitted for

[00:23:29] the other ones. Yeah, so how did the ones that he was actually charged with had they actually

[00:23:34] been attacked then by wolves or were they like? Well, that's what I'm saying. So they had been

[00:23:39] committed by real wolves. Right. Also the same. Yeah. Which strange that he killed them.

[00:23:46] Yeah, so he admitted to killing them. Yes, but they found evidence that they

[00:23:50] were done by wolves so he was acquitted of it. Right, fair enough. I'd like to know the

[00:23:54] other far died then. Well, there was 13 that he confessed to. Oh Christ. Yeah, I'd like to know

[00:24:00] exactly how all the other ones died then because I mean the third died in similar ways. Yeah, yeah

[00:24:07] then they were like, yeah, then you're going to believe it. Yeah, but if he just stabbed him or killed

[00:24:12] him or strangled him up and had no random over, that's it. Yeah, then he called bullshit.

[00:24:17] There's a strange one. Yeah. And the fact that he was saying he was cursed by Lycanthropy.

[00:24:23] Fropy. I want to fucking play the game. It's not a good word that, mate. Anyway, yeah,

[00:24:30] it's a very strange one. What is it? Is the serial killer nonetheless? Well, yeah, clearly.

[00:24:34] You're only half of it, isn't it? I do. So we have the Werewolf of Bedburg.

[00:24:39] So one of the most famous Werewolf cases in Peter Stump, a wealthy farmer accused of being a serial

[00:24:45] murderer, cannibal and werewolf in Rhineland in 1589. So in the years preceding Stump's arrest,

[00:24:54] Stump's arrest, the country town of Bedburg had been plagued with horrors. It started with the

[00:25:02] dead and mutilated cattle, but bodies of towns, bodies of townsfolk were also soon found in the

[00:25:08] fields. Initially, it was thought that a wolf or wolves were attacking, but the creatures of

[00:25:14] aided capture. Finally, in 1589, a hunting part he managed to corner the wolf with its hounds.

[00:25:21] When the humans approached, they saw, according to reports,

[00:25:25] nothing wolf at all. Instead, the hounds had cornered Stump. The most damning piece of evidence

[00:25:32] was that Stump's left hand had been lopped off. The wolf had its left forepar cut off.

[00:25:39] Since Wolf and Man had the same injury, Wolf and Man must be one and the same.

[00:25:45] I like it how do you pop them? Yeah.

[00:25:47] When the fucking rat has a missing tool. Yes, exactly. That's how they discover him.

[00:25:51] Can't remember his name, which is it? Where to?

[00:25:53] There we go. Stump confessed, but it's a questionable confession. No, no, no.

[00:26:02] He's got a missing hand and his name Stump.

[00:26:06] Yeah, I knew you were coming with that.

[00:26:09] The Stump confessed, but it's a questionable confession at best.

[00:26:12] Right.

[00:26:13] He had been subjected to torture, including the rack, which is obviously a form of torture he used to use back then.

[00:26:21] He said he'd made a pact with the devil when he was 12.

[00:26:24] He had been given a magic belt that allowed him to turn into a wolf.

[00:26:28] He confessed to kill it. I know. It's not like a collar.

[00:26:32] He confessed to killing 14 children and two pregnant women.

[00:26:35] He ate off their flesh and ravished their bodies.

[00:26:39] He killed his own son and had a sexual relationship with his own daughter.

[00:26:44] Dicke? Absolutely. Dicke.

[00:26:47] Dirty, dirty bastard.

[00:26:51] What is an animal? I give a fuck. Quite literally.

[00:26:53] Well exactly.

[00:26:55] Fuck.

[00:26:56] He was sentenced to die.

[00:26:58] He was sentenced to die in the most awful manner.

[00:27:00] Go on. There you go.

[00:27:02] He was fixed to a breaking wheel and oh Jesus,

[00:27:07] and had flesh torn from his body with red hot pincers.

[00:27:11] His limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axe so he might not rise from the grave.

[00:27:17] Finally, he was beheaded.

[00:27:19] His head was placed on a pole with the figures of breaking wheel and a wolf on it

[00:27:25] as a warning to wolves.

[00:27:27] His daughter and mistress were also flared, strangled and burned.

[00:27:33] So there's no justice really meant?

[00:27:35] So they killed his daughter as well? Yep.

[00:27:37] And their mistress. Why?

[00:27:38] They were flared, strangled and burned.

[00:27:40] Yeah but why?

[00:27:42] Like and forbid.

[00:27:43] Looner cases are all-

[00:27:45] Loonercy.

[00:27:46] Quit yeah.

[00:27:46] Yeah.

[00:27:48] I was a moan.

[00:27:50] See what I did there?

[00:27:52] It is not known whether the crimes were truly committed by Stumpal Christ

[00:27:56] at the time.

[00:27:57] The region was deeply affected by the colon wall.

[00:28:02] Stump was a protestant convert

[00:28:04] and the region had been seized by the Catholics in 1857.

[00:28:08] So that was Protestant protestant protestant protestant protestant protestant?

[00:28:15] If you talk about Catholics that would be Protestant, I promise you.

[00:28:18] Protestant?

[00:28:19] Yeah.

[00:28:19] Yeah yeah that's right.

[00:28:20] Yeah not protestant.

[00:28:22] It's a protestant.

[00:28:23] Well thank you very much.

[00:28:25] That enough for me to say.

[00:28:28] His death was to the Catholics advantage

[00:28:31] as his considerable wealth would fall to them.

[00:28:35] In addition Stump's death could have served as a strong one in

[00:28:39] two other protestants and that's the story of some sedereal life werewolves.

[00:28:44] That's fucking well I mean the first one it was definitely just warwolves.

[00:28:47] Yeah yeah second one was weird.

[00:28:51] Yeah.

[00:28:53] Then we've got the...

[00:28:54] And the third one it was a case of freaking obviously

[00:28:57] but wasn't the third one way like he was equated a far of them but the rest...

[00:29:00] No that was the fourth, that was the Spanish one.

[00:29:02] Yeah yeah yeah no that was the fourth who was a serial killer wasn't it?

[00:29:05] That's just mental loss.

[00:29:06] That's probably the most realistic one though.

[00:29:07] I will have a lot.

[00:29:09] Even that of that last one

[00:29:10] or was it also just a scruffy cunt.

[00:29:12] Yeah well we don't even know if it was in the did it.

[00:29:15] I'll get through exactly.

[00:29:17] No killed his daughter mistress anyway.

[00:29:20] Mental tortured.

[00:29:21] Yeah I mean they were fucking flared.

[00:29:22] Shown a little bit.

[00:29:24] That's flared again.

[00:29:26] I can't remember.

[00:29:27] Oh well there's a mother.

[00:29:28] Yeah.

[00:29:29] Get now anyway.

[00:29:31] Yeah cocking hell.

[00:29:33] Well yeah there's some werewol stories that not quite how you want to hear werewolves.

[00:29:37] No that was a bit...

[00:29:39] But before we end then go on.

[00:29:40] Favorite werewolves films.

[00:29:41] What's going on?

[00:29:42] Oh.

[00:29:44] Favorite werewolves films.

[00:29:45] Well obviously I'm going to throw in Van Halson.

[00:29:49] I love Van Halson.

[00:29:51] I can't even think of any of you putting a spot here.

[00:29:53] Well well...

[00:29:54] Sort of links with Van Halson just because I came back in sales units and I watched them underwilled.

[00:29:59] Terrible films but she's never seen it.

[00:30:01] Never seen underwilled.

[00:30:02] No no weirdo.

[00:30:03] Have you seen dog soldiers?

[00:30:05] Yes yes that is a good one.

[00:30:07] I would have liked that.

[00:30:07] If you've ever watched dog soldiers do it.

[00:30:09] Yeah absolutely.

[00:30:10] Hell there is.

[00:30:11] Different kind of film.

[00:30:13] I love it being a good concept.

[00:30:14] It's a good concept.

[00:30:14] It's a good concept.

[00:30:14] Yeah yeah it's a class.

[00:30:16] What else is that?

[00:30:17] There's another film I can't think of.

[00:30:18] Merit and werewolf in London, that's a banger.

[00:30:20] I haven't seen that one.

[00:30:21] You're a fucking loser.

[00:30:23] Now that's...

[00:30:25] That's 80s it was those.

[00:30:26] Yeah.

[00:30:27] It's fucking honestly that the transformation seems like for the time.

[00:30:30] Yeah.

[00:30:31] Unbelievable.

[00:30:32] No no no.

[00:30:32] It's a fucking art class film.

[00:30:35] I've seen it.

[00:30:35] There's another film I can't think what it is.

[00:30:37] Who knows?

[00:30:37] We'll put on an Instagram.

[00:30:39] Nothing in the twilight.

[00:30:41] No no no.

[00:30:42] They're wells of shit.

[00:30:43] They're just wolves.

[00:30:43] The whole film's shit.

[00:30:44] Yeah no.

[00:30:45] All right.

[00:30:46] No they're not terrible.

[00:30:49] And I tell you why the fucking terrible

[00:30:50] because I'm going in a rant here.

[00:30:52] Yeah.

[00:30:52] The ending...

[00:30:54] It's just pointless.

[00:30:56] It was just completely...

[00:30:57] It made the whole fucking story pointless.

[00:30:59] Right.

[00:31:00] Because the old mate in a big fucking field

[00:31:01] doesn't come back to get in a football.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:04] And then it's because one of them can like make and make and see what

[00:31:07] you know the future and stuff.

[00:31:08] So they all had to go up.

[00:31:09] So I'm sat there buzzing off.

[00:31:11] I didn't think this was getting good fucking

[00:31:12] heads of getting ripped off for a bit.

[00:31:13] Yeah.

[00:31:13] And then he just...

[00:31:15] Oh that didn't happen.

[00:31:16] That's just what could happen.

[00:31:17] So we won't do that then because that's what's going to happen.

[00:31:20] That's what was going to die.

[00:31:21] So we'll just turn around the girls there.

[00:31:22] But it was...

[00:31:23] Fuck off!

[00:31:25] I like that.

[00:31:25] I kind of like that.

[00:31:26] Pissed me off.

[00:31:27] And then that CGI fucking baby,

[00:31:28] that I know me even more.

[00:31:29] Oh yeah.

[00:31:30] The CGI was horrific.

[00:31:31] Langston's is not...

[00:31:32] The only thing worse than that

[00:31:33] is the Scorpion King and the fucking mummy.

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:36] Yeah, that was horrific.

[00:31:37] That's the worst thing I've ever seen.

[00:31:38] Yeah, that one was horrific.

[00:31:39] I agree on that man.

[00:31:42] There's really a bit of that before

[00:31:43] I get to know you by films again.

[00:31:45] Can I just mention another CGI?

[00:31:46] Like a horrible one.

[00:31:47] Go on there.

[00:31:48] There's a...

[00:31:48] What are the Hercules films?

[00:31:49] I kind of remember which one it is.

[00:31:51] It was that bad.

[00:31:52] Good after but there was a lion scene

[00:31:54] where you fight the lion

[00:31:55] and that CGI and the lion is the worst thing

[00:31:58] I've ever seen in my life.

[00:31:58] It's worse than the Scorpion King.

[00:32:00] No, no.

[00:32:00] Right.

[00:32:01] So no lion, it's the worst thing you'll ever see.

[00:32:03] Jesus.

[00:32:05] Right.

[00:32:05] Slave it there then, man.

[00:32:06] Yeah, so that's the story.

[00:32:07] There's some stories about werewolves

[00:32:09] and the origins of werewolves guys.

[00:32:11] So thanks for listening.

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[00:32:19] And we shall speak to you next Sunday.

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