The Enfield Haunting! With Poppy! Ep.149!

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[00:00:41] Right then, guys, welcome back into The Spooky Shed, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary and, of course, spooky. It is hotter than the flames of fucking hell in here today. And for my new part-time co-host, it is not much better, is it, Poppy? No, it's 40 degrees. It is fucking boiling. Yeah, I don't know what it is in here, but it's fucking hot.

[00:01:06] And this is probably going to be a bad idea, but fuck it, we're here now anyway, so we're doing it. Let's do it. I don't know what we're going to do. I don't know how this is going to go, but we'll see what happens. Let's just get on with it. Let's just get on with it. Let's speed talk it. Let's speed run it. Come on. Let's get done. Fucking hell. Right then, so today we're going to talk about the Enfield Haunting.

[00:01:33] So this, for any long-time listeners, this is going to be a little bit like the episodes me and Billy used to do, where we're just going to talk about a paranormal case and one that me and Billy never got around to doing, which I never understand why we never got around to doing it. But yeah, anyway. So the Enfield Haunting, better known as the Enfield Poltergeist, was a series of alleged paranormal events that began in August 1977 at 284 Green Street, Enfield, North London.

[00:02:01] The Hodgson family's single mother, Peggy, and her four children reported unexplained knocking, furniture moving, objects being thrown, and eventually disturbing phenomena centered mainly around 11-year-old Janet Hodgson. The case became one of Britain's most famous alleged hauntings because neighbours, journalists, and even a police officer reported witnessing unexplained events. Paranormal investigators, I can never remember how the hell you say this guy's name,

[00:02:31] I think it's Maurice Gross or Gross or Grouse or fucking Summit. I'm pretty sure it's Maurice. Is that his name, Maurice? Well, it might be. Summit. Begins with a fucking M. Okay. Mr. M. Exactly. And Guy Playfair spent extensive periods investigating and recording the activity. However, the case remains highly controversial. Some incidents were caught being faked by the children, while them two investigators, though I'm not going to try and say again,

[00:03:00] maintained that this couldn't explain everything they witnessed. Mm-hmm. So. So. So. What I do know. Go on. Is there was something like 2% of the hauntings were actually faked, and I know that it centers around, is it Peggy? No, Janet mostly. Peggy was the mum. Okay. That's it.

[00:03:28] Peggy was the mum, Janet, and then was it her sister Margaret? Am I right? Is it Margaret? Yes, I believe so. Yeah. So I know that Margaret also had things happen, but it does center around Janet. Yeah. It does not. Yeah. So how old, my question is, how old was Janet when this begun, do you know? Eleven. Eleven. So sort of like pre-puberty kind of, yeah.

[00:03:57] Yeah, because there's always this kind of thought that poltergeist activity happens in sort of pre-teens to teens. And how accurate that is, I don't know. I don't know if there's even been studies done into this, but it does seem to be quite like a correlation between the two.

[00:04:20] And I don't know whether it's like a heightened emotions or that teenage angst, that kind of thing. You know, is that what triggers and is that what feeds poltergeist activity? I suppose possibly, because I think it's like there's poltergeist stuff and like possession stuff as well. But I mean, I don't know how much I believe in possession stuff personally. There's a very weird fucking insect on me window. I don't know what the hell it is.

[00:04:51] Is it a fly one or is it a sticky one? A bit of both, but it's flew off now anyway. It's aliens. Well, possibly. It's fucking hot enough. It's aliens. But yeah, so because it's always more with stuff like that as well, like you say, around that age, you know, apparently it always seems to be more focused on females as well for whatever reason, which is weird. Yeah. We are weird.

[00:05:20] We are a weird species. Poltergeist is just all fucking perverts. There is that. There is that. Yeah. Jimmy Savile. Jesus Christ. I wasn't expecting him to get a mention, but you never thought. There you go. Oh. Anyway. Anyway, going back to the Enfield. Right.

[00:05:41] So, I always had this thought that maybe because Peggy had somewhat recently divorced. Yeah. Single mother, council house, not a lot of money. Was there motive just for finances and that kind of thing? Because obviously selling stories to the newspapers back in the day. And I know that The Sun was the first newspaper to actually report on this.

[00:06:10] And their shit houses, famously. They're also good payouts, aren't they? Mm. Mm. So, was this just a financial motive that snowballed into something? Yeah. Or is it, you know, the girls wanting their five minutes of fame that snowballed? Hmm. Possibly. Possibly. Possibly. Well, we'll come on to that at the end, like on theories and ideas and stuff.

[00:06:37] So, I've got a little timeline of events for you. So, 31st of August, 1977. Janet and her brother John hear strange shuffling and knocking in their bedroom. Peggy reportedly witnesses a chest of drawers move across the room. Now, that's... Now, to start with me, I'd say, like, for any sort of paranormal case, a chest of drawers moving across a bedroom floor, that's not a small thing, really.

[00:07:09] No, that's some serious effort. That's what I mean. So, in a weird way, that kind of makes me question it straight away, to be honest, because if it was just like the shuffling and weird noises, because that's usually how these sort of things start. It's not straight away furniture flying across rooms, usually. No. And see, this is where I think what we need to do is go back into the history of the property. Aye.

[00:07:38] Because then we'll be able to find, was there previous deaths in the property? I don't even know if any of the studies have... Okay. Okay, so tell me about... Do you know the deaths in the property? Well, I know... I mean, I don't know it well from memory, but that's one of the things in The Conjuring 2, which is obviously based on the Enfield Haunting, which gets a lot of it wrong, including the whole nun thing. Stupid. Stupid. But the guy that lived there, I think his name was Bill something,

[00:08:08] he did die in the house before the family moved in. So that did happen. Whether he was a fucking, you know, possessed soul like he is in the film, that's obviously probably, almost definitely isn't the case. But there was an old guy that died in the house before the family moved in. Okay. And quite often what I've experienced in my own cases is when you have an older gentleman,

[00:08:36] they tend to not want to leave the property. They like their space. They don't like other people in their space. And it does cause a poltergeist activity effect because there's so much like anger, frustration and being misunderstood. So I do think that maybe... If that is the case and that is true, then that is a very good potential cause

[00:09:04] for this ramped up energy and poltergeist activity. It's definitely a possibility. It's definitely a possibility. Right then. So early hours of the 1st of September, also 1977, police attend the house. WPC Caroline Heaps, I'm going to say, reports seeing a chair move several, feet across the living room floor without anyone apparently touching it.

[00:09:33] Now that's... Now you'd imagine a living room would be carpeted. I suppose not always, but still. So I'm trying to think how that could happen and it not be paranormal. You know what I mean? The only other thing that I can think of is you'd have to check sort of the levelness of floors, the upstairs floors as well. I mean, it's just one of those things you have to go through

[00:10:02] to logically just like take out the different possibilities, you know? Yeah. Um, I just can't think, I just can't think of how you could move all this furniture without it being ties or... But then you're going to see that. It's... Yeah, well, it's like, I mean, for me, the only thing I've ever thought because... I mean, like I said, the research I've done here is it's in the living room.

[00:10:32] In the movie The Conjuring 2, which I mean, I'll try and not use that as much of a reference point because it's a film. It's bollocks. Well, yeah. But in that, it's the kitchen and it's like a, it's a dining table chair, which I think you could very easily get a couple of bits of fishing line around the legs of them and quite easily move them. But at the same time, you're talking about police, you know, police presence, you're talking about neighbours,

[00:11:02] because I know the neighbours seen things as well. Yeah. And friends. They're all seeing things, but obviously they would see if something is being tampered with or being fake, they would see that. True, true. Right. I'm just going to go, what I've got here is basically just the rest of September, so I'm going to go through this. Okay, go through September. Lego bricks, marbles and other objects are reportedly thrown around the house. Neighbours also witness strange activity. No one's fucking messing

[00:11:32] with my Lego, I know that for a fact. Neighbour Peggy Nottingham contacts the Daily Mirror, reporter Douglas Bence and I'm guessing that. I really need to start when I do things like this, I need to tell you pronounced names and stuff. And photographer Graham Morris visits. Morris claims a flying Lego brick strikes him. The story reaches the Society of, is it Physical Research?

[00:12:01] I thought it was Paranormal Research. Well, this is P-S-Y-C-H-I-C-A-L. I'm dyslexic and I can't read that. Say again? P-S-Y-C-H-I-C-A-L. Is that Physical? Physical? Yeah. Yeah. So the Society of Physical Research then get involved. Okay. And that's when this Morris, Maurice, whatever the hell his name is, he begins spending

[00:12:31] considerable time at the house. Mm-hmm. Something to note with this is that Maurice was something like a 60-year-old man, something like that. Mm-hmm. And he had recently lost his daughter and he started spending a lot of time, I guess, in his work and what he was doing. And he became very, very close with the family. Yeah, we want to be around

[00:13:00] kids again as well, I suppose. Well, maybe. But I think when you blur that line between professionalism and friendship, it can influence the way that you actually interpret and do your investigation. So is this, again, a case of one of the elements being

[00:13:29] that actually Maurice got a little bit too close to the family and wanted to believe them and therefore was influenced by emotion? Possibly. Possibly. And that's something that I've often thought about with the case is, you know, obviously being that close and forming friendships and bonds and that kind of thing. I think it would actually influence your outcome. I think it would.

[00:13:59] Yeah, exactly. I mean, like it says there, he says that he spent considerable time there. I mean, like I say, I don't know if anyone's got it broke down within how long he spent there per day or if he was even basically living there for any sort of time. I don't know, but like you say, if he's going to be that involved and like I say, he's going to grow close to the family, he's going to become a friend sort of thing to him. effectively became part of the family. Yeah, exactly. And then like I say, that will,

[00:14:29] that'll definitely, like you say, even if, even if it's real, that's going to affect what happens for sure. It must do. Especially given what he does. Yeah, yeah. Right then. So late 1977, this is when the other bloke turns up. So this is Guy Playfair. So he turns up together. They begin an extensive investigation involving photographs, recordings,

[00:14:59] and overnight vigils. So obviously this is the big one with the recording of the whole of Janet doing this weird growly voice thing, but the maker do it when she's got a mouthful of water, but she can only do it with a mouthful of water when nobody's watching. So, I mean, there's a huge like straight away. Yeah, I think that part of it is because you can actually physically influence the way that you change your voice, right? Everyone

[00:15:28] can do that. Quite easily. Exactly, right? Good example. So, I think... Kids especially though. Yeah, I think that that part is like the fake, that is definitely fake for me. I just, if I was investigating that, I'd go like, nope, absolutely not. Fake. Were you being attacked by now? No, there's a weird flapping

[00:15:58] sound, I think there's some sort of insect inside here now, so... Attack of the bugs. Exactly. I mean, that art arm of spiders have did... Oh no, there's one up there. I think it's dead. It's probably boiled. Anyway. It's just joining all the spooky things in your shed. Exactly. It's probably fucking roasted to fucking death, poor bastard. I know how it feels, I'm roasting right now.

[00:16:28] I want to die. Please let me die. All of this is draining, by the way, I'm not taking any of this out. But yeah, so, because that's always been, that has been the main one that's always bothered me is the fact that like, like you say, she'll only do it when nobody's watching and they've only got it on voice recording and, because I've always said it would be pretty easy to... Kids are kids, you know?

[00:16:58] I mean, I suppose the only thing, the only thing that could, that you could sort of throw at it is, you'd have to put a marker for how much water was in the glass. Because let's be honest, if she spits the water back into the glass, you're going to hear that. Yeah? Mm-hmm. I was going to say, in theory, she could have swallowed the water, done the weird voice, quickly grabbed the glass and got a gob full of water again. Yeah. But like you say,

[00:17:28] I mean, I don't know if this is something they did, but like you say, if you put a bit of pen on the glass of how much is in the glass, then she wouldn't be able to do that. So, I don't know, it is just weird. It does seem very explainable, but like you say, with things like that, I don't know, there is still a little bit of hmm to it. Not for me. Not for me. I just write that one off. I'm just like, no, because that's too physically

[00:17:58] influenced. I'm playing devil's advocate. You can do that all you like, but yeah, no, I'm just writing that one off a thousand percent, because the end of the day, like I said, it's too physically interpreted, it's too heavily influenced by that person. And it's the same as mediumship. It's like a third person, isn't it? So you can't rely upon that as full evidence,

[00:18:27] you can't at all, because it's a part of, but you can't rely upon it. And that's how I feel about anything like that. Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. I mean, I must admit, I have listened to the recordings and it is a weird fucking voice. voice. Well, maybe she's just a really good voice actor. Maybe that's what she was destined to be. Possibly, possibly. It's like the whole Jeff the Tarkin Mongoose thing, isn't it? Have you heard

[00:18:57] of that? You've never heard of Jeff the Tarkin Mongoose? No. Oh, though, we're going to talk about that again, so we're going to have to talk about that. That's one of my favorite things ever. Okay, I have no idea, but okay, if you love it, okay. Right, anyway, so this to me, this is the worst bit of bullshit. So, late 1978, late 1977, early 1978,

[00:19:27] so activity increasingly appears to center on Janet. Reports include flying objects, bed shaking, and Janet appearing to be thrown or levitating from her bed in photograph. Exactly. What a bullshit. Where the hell do we start with these fucking photos? Right, can I just say, right, anybody in their right mind who looks at these photos will go faked.

[00:19:56] Anybody that wants to believe this fucking bullshit of these bloody pictures, it really irates me, right? It really grates on me. There's something wrong with you. If you believe these pictures, there is something wrong with you. Because all you have to do is look at the formation of her body and where the power is coming from, which is her legs, and you can actually see the formation of her body and the trajectory in which she's going. It is

[00:20:26] powered from the bottom going up, therefore she is powering herself. And I'm not a scientist, I don't do physics, but you can see that. Genuinely, this really winds me up, and the amount of people to this day in the paranormal community that go ahead and go, oh, that's legit, they are levitating. No, they're not. They are bloody not. Absolutely not. Sorry, I get so

[00:20:55] irate over this. No, I do as well, and I'm quite lucky. I've never actually met anybody or spoke to anybody who believes them photos, thank Christ, because if I did, I'd... Please just absolutely lob them off the podcast, please do. Oh, that would happen, I'd just stop recording, I'd just put that around, see you later. Tudos. But to me as well, it's like the other thing, to be very basic about it, when you

[00:21:24] think of levitating, and you think of levitating when you're on a bed, what do you picture? Exactly, horizontal, laid down, risen, not looking, not being thrown forward, does that mean, because like you say, it's just, it's ridiculous, it's just absolutely ridiculous. You just have to look at the evidence speaks for itself, like if you look at it, it's not evidence, but if you look at it, it speaks for itself, you can just literally

[00:21:54] see the trajectory in which she's going, you can see the power of her body, you can see the way her muscles are formed, like you can just see in every aspect, that this is her jumping. Yeah, exactly. I just, I honestly think anybody who would believe them photos, just, well, anybody with half a brain cell wouldn't believe them, I just, I can't get my head round it, anybody has ever believed them. But yeah,

[00:22:24] so moving on. It does genuinely irk me very, very much. No, it's damn, damn, every time I look at them, I'm just like, fuck off, just piss off. They should have been burnt. Yeah, yeah, good point, good point. Right, anyway, so, well, I got a bit ahead of myself then, so after that, so that's when, this is when Janet begins speaking in a strange deep male voice, Jesus Christ, hundreds of recordings,

[00:22:54] we'll blame the heat, we'll blame the heat. Can't talk here. Hundreds of recordings of the alleged voice and other phenomena are made. So, Janet and her sister are discovered faking some incidents, creating major doubts about the case. Other SPR investigators remain unconvinced while Morrison Playfair, or Maurice, whatever the fuck we're calling him, argue that deliberate trickery explains only part of what happened,

[00:23:24] which, again, could very well be the case, but, I don't know. I just think if it was a terrifying or as they sort of claimed, then you wouldn't play on it like that. That's what I think, anyway. So, I try to look at it from all the people's different sort of behaviour and all that kind of thing. So, obviously, Peggy was, like I said, divorced,

[00:23:54] probably looking for financial gain, even though there is no evidence out there to this day that even suggests that she was paid for anything. But I find that very, very, very hard to believe. You know, I try to find out why the marriage broke down, what happened. We don't know about any kind of, like, psychosis. We don't know about any kind of, like, mental health issues. Could have been a gas leak.

[00:24:24] It could have been carbon monoxide solved, case solved. There we go, we'll speak to next week. Just put Poppy and Liam on the case, we will have it solved. It's carbon monoxide, there we go. Or it's fungus. See, that's a shout, that is a good shout to be fair. And that's, I looked at pictures of the house and I can't say it was a very

[00:24:53] put-together home. They were just very, you know, low, what do you call it? Living, no, not- It's just like a basic council house. Yeah, council house, yeah. And- I think it was a council house, I'm not sure. It was, yeah, it was a council house. It's just a bog standard semi-detached house. Yeah, and I would assume that in the 70s there probably was black mould, there probably

[00:25:23] was- You get it now. You know, it takes a bit of damp. Yeah, and I would imagine that they didn't have all the extractor fans and things that, you know, we need today. So, I would be inclined to wonder what the actual environmental factors are. I'd want to know sort of the life factors, including, you know, stress factors, because stress can do a lot to anybody. Yeah, yeah. I'd want to

[00:25:52] know about like mental health. Is there any kind of substance abuse? Is Peggy a raging alcoholic behind closed doors? Yeah, what was the glass of water really? Vodka? Yeah, so, so there's just like loads of things that we don't actually know. I've tried to find some of these things out, but these are the points of which you have to include in an investigation and definitely,

[00:26:22] definitely don't go getting close to a family. Don't do that. Yeah, well, that's the other thing I was just thinking then, like maybe, because like I say, I threw out straight away, like, you know, if it was as terrifying as the claimed, then you wouldn't want to play on it and potentially make things worse. But maybe it was a fact that they all became so close that they wanted them to stay, so then they started faking stuff to make them stay. I don't know.

[00:26:52] I'd say that's plausible. my main thought is that it's just this sort of garbled snowball of just crap, to be honest. That's the only way we can put this together is just so much crap put into a ball and it's become such British folklore that paranormal groups look up to.

[00:27:22] Don't. Just don't do that. You have to pick it apart and go backwards. That's what you need to do really with this case. Maybe one day we can actually do that together as pick it apart at the seams and just try and get to the bottom of it. I know that in later years Janet, she did actually admit to faking some of these things in her later years.

[00:27:51] At the same time, just because somebody admits it's that 50-50 really. If someone admits to doing something and faking it, great, they've been honest, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can take away the entire case. I feel like there is probably some things, like you said, somebody died in that property. I know that quite often than not, elderly people, especially men, do not like

[00:28:21] their space being interrupted. Therefore, there does tend to be poltergeist activity present more often than not. It's just synonymous with the two facts. So I think there are little bits. There's a bit of meat on the bones that you can pick apart, but I also think that there are just so much crap. There is just so much crap. Yeah, definitely. And I think, to be honest,

[00:28:50] there are far better cases that people could be looking at in British history of paranormal than the Enfield, because why? Well, this is what I was talking about the other day with somebody because we were talking, we got on to how The Conjuring 2 and obviously how it's about Enfield and stuff and obviously how bollocks it is because half of the, like you say, I mean, well, just the fact that obviously the Conjuring films are obviously

[00:29:20] around Ed and Lorraine Warren, think of them what you will, but they were barely even involved in the Enfield haunting. I think they were there for like a day maybe or it might have even been as little as a couple of hours. Yeah. I have my own thoughts on Ed and Lorraine. I just think a lot of it is sensationalism and that is just, it's one of those things, again, with the paranormal, it's like so many cases

[00:29:50] get sensationalised. They have more than their five minutes of fame and it becomes this kind of legendary folklore in Britain. Yeah. Yeah. That's my input on that one. Right, so to end off my little timeline here then, so basically 1979, so reports of activity gradually decrease, the investigations ultimately last for around two years, after which the alleged

[00:30:20] haunting largely subsides. So the big question has always been whether the entire thing was an elaborate hoax or whether the girls faked some incidences while genuinely unexplained events were also occurring. That's what makes Enfield such an enduring paranormal case. Now, I think it's bollocks. I think it's bollocks.

[00:30:50] I think it's 99% bollocks. Like I said, there might have been some strange noises or something, I don't know, and then, like I say, new house, obviously, houses make noise, so I don't know, maybe they had a bit of fun with that, I don't know, going along a ghost story route, possibly, and then maybe that's got out of hand, I don't know. But then, like I say, when it comes to the whole faking stuff, I just,

[00:31:23] I honestly think now that that could have been a case that with Maurice Morris, whatever the fuck he's called, with them being there, like I say, they'll have obviously grown close, they'll have become friends, they'll have become very familiar with each other, they might have even felt safer there if they did genuinely believe some of the stuff that was happening. Well, apparently happening, so maybe that's why they're faking to keep them around, I don't know, that's the route to go down in the shitty movie. So, I mean,

[00:31:53] it's a possibility, their voices, bollocks, levitating, don't even fucking speak to me about it. Yeah, no, I just, I, I'm done. That's it. I'm done. Fair enough. Oh, Jesus Christ. Well, I guess we're done then. What's more to say,

[00:32:23] it's bollocks. Yeah, it is one that I do think needs to be spoken about because as we both know, more and more people are getting into the paranormal now and that is a big case and it will, if somebody Googles paranormal UK, let's say, that's going to be at the top of the fucking list. And I think it's important that people know that it's shite. So, what I would encourage is if you're

[00:32:52] first going into this case and you've never heard about it before, discount literally every bit of evidence you're seeing from the 70s. Just get rid of that, right? Work your way backwards. And that's genuinely what I would love to do at some point. Gather as much information as you can, look at the property history, look at the land history, look at even does the house lay on a lay line, does, you know, all these

[00:33:22] kinds of things that we look at before we go into an investigation. Do not look at what the modern stories are. Don't look at the films, don't look at any of that stuff. Just work your way backwards. And I think that'll give you more answers into this case than what is, you know, provided by the family, you know. That's what I would do, that's what I suggest. And then you can look at the stuff from

[00:33:51] the 70s and the more modern day stories. But has there been any kind of, I'm just going to ask this, in all the paranormal investigations that have happened at this house, and I know there has been many, many over the years. Has anybody reported levitating? Not to my knowledge. No. No. But to be honest,

[00:34:21] most of cases I've looked into, levitating isn't, it's not a common thing. I think somebody I know had a levitation experience, experience, but it wasn't like you would think it is. It was very much like almost being picked up, I guess, and then thrown, which is scary. That's far more scary. See, if I was in Peggy's position,

[00:34:51] and all these really bad things were happening in the house, and bear in mind, I've lived in very haunted houses, and I've also moved out of those houses very quickly, wouldn't she move her family out? Wouldn't she want her kids to be safe? Wouldn't she want to be safe? See, that's the sort of thinking I often go down, but then I suppose, again, to play devil's advocate, because that

[00:35:21] is usually my response to things like this, because it's very similar with the again, we're not just going off the fucking conscience theories here, but it's the same with the smell haunting, isn't it, really? Like, just fucking leave. But I suppose, like back then, I don't know if it would be easier to do it now or harder to do it back then, but it probably is easier said than done, than just move out. I understand

[00:35:51] that, but, you know, she had neighbours, she had friends, she had people around her that could have helped her. Four kids though. It's a lot of kids back in, wow, it's pretty, actually it's pretty standard back in the 70s, isn't it, to have bigger families. Yeah, I'm surprised some women like, but I know Billy, one of the boys, so one of them was older and was in, so this is another question, there's one older boy

[00:36:21] that was in boarding school, so how did she afford that? And if she could afford her child to go to private boarding school, then why couldn't she move her family out? Probably because he was in boarding school. Well, I'm sure there was other properties within the area. Yeah. Then, Billy was educationally challenged, he couldn't speak very well or something like that.

[00:36:51] And then obviously you've got Janet and is it Margaret? I can remember that, yeah, Margaret. And, yeah, so I don't know, it's just the whole family, I don't, there's just so many like bits about the family that kind of don't make sense, does make sense. I don't know, it's, again, probably should look into the family a bit more if I could. Like you said,

[00:37:20] maybe that's something we can do in the future, do like an actual proper deep dive into it. Yeah. Like with what happened before. Yeah, absolutely. Let's do that. Right. Cheers to that idea. Yes, exactly. Happy days. Right, I think that's a good place to leave it for this one then. And you can join us next time for the skirrid stories.

[00:37:49] If we haven't both roasted to death, but yeah. I'm actually fine, I'm nice and cool now. All right for some, dickhead. Right. 40 degrees, dickhead. It can't be that cool then can't you if it's 40 fucking degrees. Anyway, this is going to turn into an argument, let's leave it, let's leave it. Domestic. Exactly. Fuck that. Right then guys, so as always go and follow the Instagram page at the Spooky Shed Podcast, link in the bio there for the Facebook and the TikTok YouTube channel, merch store,

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