The Epic of Esau With Justin 'Doc' Brown! Ep.74

[00:00:08] This is a message for Billy. You can go fuck yourself, bro. Alright? Don't be a twat, Billy. Yeah, Billy, man. You're being a real asshole. Billy, you're a cunt. Right then, guys. Welcome back to The Spooky Shed Podcast. And from now on, when you hear that little intro, you will know that Billy is not here because Billy is a dick. Of course, with Billy not being here, I have a special guest with me tonight.

[00:00:30] So tonight I have got Justin Doc Brown, author of The Epic of Esau. Am I saying that right, Justin? You nailed it, man. Nailed it. Happy days. Happy days. Welcome to the podcast and welcome to The Shed, my friend. How are we? I'm doing great, man. Thank you for having me. Good, good. No problem. But I said it on Instagram, man. It's The Cool Shed. I don't know why, you know, Spooky Shed. It's The Cool Shed.

[00:00:59] And almost like I say, Spooky's cool, so it worked. Yeah, man. I can say, I'll get a few spiderwebs up in here. We'll make it a bit spookier at some point. So, Justin, with our guests now, what we do is we ask all our guests now to leave something in the shed with us. So it can be anything. Place, person, feeling, thing. Could be anything. So what would you like to leave in the shed with us?

[00:01:27] I will leave. Can you leave advice? Yeah, yeah. That's been done before, yeah. Or no. Yeah. Okay. It can be anything. I'll leave some old man advice. OQP. Okay? That's some of the best advice I ever got. But unfortunately, I got it really late in my life, so it didn't really help me as much as it could have. And that OQP means only quality people.

[00:01:54] So, you know, you are who you surround yourself with. So surround yourself with only quality people. If you are the smartest, if you are the most handsome or the prettiest, if you're a lady, if you're the smartest, whatever the ist you want to put to it. If you are that person in your friend circle, then you need a new friend circle or you need to expand that friend circle. Because us as humans, if we are not moving forward, we are moving backwards.

[00:02:23] We always need to have something to chase and go after and strive to be better. Even if you are an eagle, if you run around with a bunch of turkeys, eventually you're going to forget how to fly and you're going to start clucking, baby. Only quality people. No, I like that. That's actually really great advice. I'm going to take that on board myself, actually.

[00:02:48] Right then, for any of our listeners, do you want to tell them about yourself, tell them about your podcast, before we jump in, obviously, to the main part of the episode? Yeah, my name is Justin Brown. I kind of got the nickname Doc. I started podcasting back in 22, but I'm just your normal nine-to-five knuckle drag factory rat. But my name really suits me well. There's so many Justin Browns.

[00:03:17] It's a very common thing. I've even been accused of being a pseudonym. Like I'm a guy on the run that just made up this common name to try to get away from the law or something. But no, I work in plastics. Got two kids and a family and everything, man. I just go to work, pay my bills, and just be a normal guy. But I've always loved history, and I always loved conspiracy and the weird, fringy stuff.

[00:03:45] And I'm from the hills of East Tennessee. So I'm what some people call a hillbilly. That's where the twang comes from. But, yeah, man, grew up in the Bible belt. That's what they call it. So church was always a normal part of my life. But teenage years came, rebelled, just, you know, typical story. But I was always fascinated with the Bible and the stories in the Bible and stuff like that.

[00:04:12] And when I come back and started cleaning my life back up and trying to walk the straight and narrow, I stumbled across people like Trey Smith and Timothy Alvarino and Steve Quayle and all these guys talking about all these weird things, you know, in the Bible, like angels coming down and breeding with men and creating these hybrid giant races

[00:04:37] and aliens and UFOs and vampires and cryptids and all this stuff in the Bible. And I'm like, man, these guys are heretics. They're just full of it, man. I've read them in the Bible many times. That stuff's not in there. It got to looking through, man. And sure enough, it was like right there in front of my face the whole time. I was just one of those guys that fell victim to dogma. I just listened to my pastors and people around me tell me what to believe

[00:05:06] and told me what was in there, and I never really took a deep dive for myself. And so once I did and started finding all this stuff, man, it did. It just lit a fire underneath me, man. I was never the guy that liked to read or was a studious person. But ever since that day, it was around 2012. As you see behind me, I got a large collection of books, and that's not even the half of them. It's like lit this thirst for knowledge and to learn all this stuff

[00:05:34] about ancient history and lost civilizations and the Bible and how all this stuff connects, man. And it just led to talking about it in podcasts. And me and my buddies started a podcast in 22 called The Dig Bible Podcast, and we'd done that for a few years, and then that ended up leading to me wanting to talk about even more broader topics. Like I said, I always loved history and ancient lost civilizations and all that kind of stuff, so I started The Prometheus Lens a year ago.

[00:06:04] And I just now published my first book, so it's been quite the journey going down this road and exploring all these fascinating topics. It sounds like a hell of a journey, to be honest. I do usually like to go back, I think, with our guests and ask where the interest comes into the weirder things in life, as I like to call it. But I'm guessing then, from what you've said there, that you were sort of later to it then. Because obviously a lot of people, it starts at a younger age.

[00:06:34] Well, even as a kid, I mean, I loved what I thought was weird in the Bible, but just they kind of whitewashed it for me. Like Goliath. I was like, man, what's up with this guy? He was so big. Like, you know, and then even Esau, I remember, I was like, he come out with hair all over him. What's up with that? Oh, he was just, you know, that was hyperbole. You know, he just had a real good beard. And you know how your uncle's real hairy on his back? That's what that is. And they really whitewashed that stuff.

[00:07:02] But I always loved horror films and supernatural stuff and comic book heroes, things like that. But my grandmother, she was Native American, and she always had some wild stories. I mean, and she would talk about ghosts and apparitions and stuff she had seen and things like that. And that really kind of always grabbed my attention. So anytime I was around my grandmother, I'd always just want to sit down with her

[00:07:31] and have her just tell me all the stories she knew and stories about the Bell Witch here in East Tennessee. And so I always had a fascination, even as a kid, for the supernatural. Now it makes sense. I can definitely understand. Well, I can relate. Well, not so much relate, but I can definitely see why you would enjoy the stories coming from there from your grandma, you say. That would definitely be interesting. You mentioned there horror movies and comic book heroes. Straight off the bat then, favorites?

[00:08:01] Man, I loved Freddy Krueger as a kid. Now that I go back and watch it, it's like, man, those movies are laughable. You know? But back then, man, they were pretty terrifying. But I loved the idea of, well, I know that sounds terrible now, but I thought it was really cool that it was a horror guy that would come to you in your dreams. You know, and then he could manifest and come into reality and that he fed off your fear and just all that stuff when I was a kid. I thought that was fascinating.

[00:08:31] And as far as superheroes, of course, I was always the big Superman guy. You know, what little kid doesn't want to fly and shoot, you know, fire from his eyes and snow from his mouth and blow out stuff. And so it was like, yeah, Superman was always one of my favorites. And I'm trying to think. And as I got older, like my teenage years, when you get obsessed with being big and strong and the Hulk was always a big one,

[00:09:01] which you can't see because of my camera angle. But I got an oil painting that a friend that was a tattoo artist did of the Hulk over here. He's all green and muscled up and stuff. And in the background, I got a big green Hulk standing right there. Big green. So the Hulk, I always thought he was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, cool. What about you? You said you was a big comic book guy and horror guy. Yeah.

[00:09:31] Well, the same. Nightmare on the Street was always my favorite, purely just because he was the first one I watched when I was about nine years old. So I always remember it was like two o'clock in the morning, stayed up to watch it, and then didn't sleep for the rest of the week. Superheroes, for me, it was always Spider-Man. Oh, yeah. Don't know why I just always liked Spider-Man. Even as I got older looking back now,

[00:09:58] it's like out of all the horror people, the horror villains, Freddy Krueger is honestly the most supernatural and almost like demonic and real because you think about it, you know, you got the whole incubus and succubus and night terrors and the lucid dreams and all that kind of stuff and the whole Aleister Crowley

[00:10:27] and all those guys talking about Loosh, how these demonic entities and stuff feed off of your fear. That's exactly what Freddy was. Yeah, exactly. Definitely. And I think that was pretty cool. Once I started studying that stuff and looking back, I was like, man, that's exactly what Freddy was. He was a Loosh monster and even Disney played off of that with that movie Monster. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was the problem I found with the remake of Nightmare on Elm Street. One, well, first off,

[00:10:55] it was just terribly done, terribly acted. But they really leaned in. Because obviously in the originals, it was always insinuated that he was a bit of a pedophile. But they really leaned into it in that remake one, which to me just sort of ruined it. Because even though it's insinuated in the originals, you still kind of root for him even though he's the bad guy, if you know what I mean. Yeah, it leaves room to root for the villain.

[00:11:28] Welcome back to the spooky shed. I am your host. I will be taken over from here. Yeah. Well, that was extremely annoying. I don't know what happened there. That has never happened before. So once you started looking more into the weirder things of this world that we live in, have you had any strange experiences since you've started looking more into things?

[00:11:58] Because me and a friend of mine who has a podcast as well, we sort of say that, especially with the paranormal, when you look into it, it looks back at you. So I think the more you look into things, the more you start to notice and experience things. Oh, definitely. Especially if you are a Christian and you're like talking about this stuff and you're exposing, you know, the deeds of darkness, there's definitely some spiritual warfare attached to it.

[00:12:29] When I first started, and I was, you know, I tell people all the time, it's like, you know, I've been accused of being a Debbie the downer because I'm that guy that I always plan for the worst, but I hope for the best. You know, that way I'm never let down or surprised. And so, but I tell those people when they say that to me, I'm like, no, I'm Reggie the realist. And I'm always being kind of like a,

[00:12:59] you know, a logical person, you know, fact-based, you know, take my emotions out. What are the facts? Show me the facts. So I think that kind of hinders my ability for supernatural type things. I think that mindset kind of hinders it. And even as a kid, I've always been fascinated with it. And I've, you know, purposefully seeked these experiences. I've went to these haunted houses and played with Ouija boards and tarot cards and done all this stuff. And I've never really

[00:13:28] had like a, a real experience. I've had little moments, you know, where a candle blew out, you know, doing a seance or something or think I hear something, but they just been little subtleties to where someone could easily argue or you tell yourself, you know, that was the wind or that was this or that. Never had like a full on experience like that. But once I started doing the podcast and stuff, I actually had a visit like a night terror, like sleep paralysis event.

[00:13:58] And it was, I actually got a visit from the demon Lilith and I had no idea who she was. So I had no preconceived notion of who she was or anything. But I had a dream and it was the first time I'd ever experienced sleep paralysis, you know, and I couldn't move. I was, you know, limp from like the neck down, couldn't even move. I was paralyzed. And in this dream, I was driving down the road with my family

[00:14:28] and had the wife and kids in the car and there was a, like a buzzard in the road eating on like a dead deer. And so I stopped the vehicle because I didn't want to run it over and I just honked the horn to try to scare it off. Well, instead of jumping up and flying away, this thing starts standing up and it's like, you know, five foot four, five foot five, black, uh, got black feathers on it and it's kind of got like a, like a purple shimmer to the edge of the tips, you know, and it's kind of just shivering in the headlights

[00:14:58] of the truck because it's not timing the dream. And then it starts to turn around and it's a, a fully naked woman in the front with blonde hair, but it had a, it was weird. It had a beak for a mouth and had blonde hair and it just looks right at us and everybody in the car starts screaming and freaking out and then it just flies up into the air and I'm like, guys, it's okay. It's gone. It's gone. We're safe.

[00:15:27] And then about that time it just, boom, it lands like right next to the car and it opens the truck door. And at that, that point is like when I'm frozen, I can't move and I'm looking over with my head and I'm seeing everybody and it's like they're, you know, like the Saved by the Bell shows when Zach would time out, you know, everybody's just froze in time and she leans in and she just starts rubbing the inside of my thigh and touching my private parts and rubbing my chest

[00:15:56] and taking her beak and rubbing my neck and then sticking her tongue out and rubbing my neck and my ear, just, I mean, sexually just assaulting me and just having her way with me. And this dream was so real I could feel every touch. I could feel her wet tongue on my neck. I mean, everything and I was just powerless, helpless, couldn't move. and I was always a very lucid dreamer even as a kid. If I was in a dream, I could tell myself, hey,

[00:16:26] this is a dream, wake up. And I could, I mean, on a dime, make myself wake up every time without fail. And I started telling myself, I'm like, this is a dream. This is a dream, wake up, wake up. And I remember my eyes started fluttering open and I started seeing my bedroom. So I was like, okay, I'm waking up. And it was just like something grabbed me and, hey, pulled me right back in.

[00:16:57] And, boom, I was back in the dream full-fledged. And I kept trying to tell myself, wake up, wake up. And it's just like something was keeping me from leaving the dream. That's the best way I can describe it. And, still couldn't move. And then, all this, this went on, it seemed like forever, but it was just a few moments. And then, she leans into my ear and she says, and she whispers this just like so seductively. And she says, I've missed you. Shit.

[00:17:28] Yeah. And, about this time, I started getting feeling in my fingers and stuff. And, the only thing I thought to do was to grab the truck door and just slam her in the truck door. And so I did. I slammed her in the truck door and she just lets out this gut wrenching scream or screech and she flies up into the air. And as soon as she flies into the air and kind of gets just a little bit of distance away from me, I can instantly wake up. And I woke up and I was hyperventilating, freaking out, pouring sweat

[00:17:57] and woke the wife up and immediately just like started telling her about it. And she was one of those type people. She had seen shadow entities. She had been to Haiti and been hexed by witch doctors and been strangled by some of these night terrors, you know, at night. You know, she's had a lot of supernatural experiences and she was one of those people that believed dreams were prophetic and wrote them all down and all that kind of stuff. So when I was telling her about it, she was like looking up

[00:18:26] online what all this stuff means and immediately I pulled out my phone and I'm like half bird, half woman, you know, in your dreams and all this stuff and it was like the second picture that popped up. I mean, it was her and I'm like, that's her and I clicked it and it was like, this is Lilith and I got to reading about her and stuff and like I said, I'd never looked into her. I didn't know what she was but everything it talked about, how it described her, the picture, everything

[00:18:56] was spot on and like I told you, I had went through like a rebellious stage and in that rebellious stage, man, it was, it was sex, drugs and rock and roll and I was really sexually promiscuous, done a lot of drugs and so it's kind of like, like the Lord told me in prayer, was like, unbeknownst to me, that wasn't just a good time. I was in cahoots and running with

[00:19:25] and had formed a spiritual connection with this entity because she was, you know, her and Anana, all these goddesses and stuff, they're synonymous, they're the same and Anana was like the goddess of mindless violence and sex and the people would take all these drugs and stuff to call her into the um and all this kind of stuff and to prophesy and have visions and all this

[00:19:56] so it was kind of like, you know, God was showing me, yeah, during those years that's who you were communing with and what was crazy is I should have led with this but I was having some lower back pain and I went to the doctor just right before this and the doctor put me on antidepressants and I told him, I was like, dude, I'm not depressed. I said, my back's hurting and he was like, oh, well, these block pain receptors and they're not addictive like narcotics and stuff but I think they'll help you

[00:20:27] and that's when I started having crazy dreams and that's when I had that dream so I flushed that medication down the toilet and it was like, so where I got off the drugs and all that stuff it's like when I finally took some kind of mind-altering substance it's like I lowered that Holy Spirit wall and allowed her to get back to me again kind of it's the only way I could interpret it yeah, that is honestly,

[00:20:57] that's one of the craziest things I've ever heard since we've been doing this podcast like I was literally on the edge of my seat there when you were telling that there that is horrifying like I mean, I'm not going to lie if that happened to me I don't think I'd be able to go to sleep again I mean, like you say I know we were just talking about Freddy Krueger and stuff but bloody hell that's worse yeah I mean yeah and then not only that too man you know and I can talk about it now because it's been about a year

[00:21:27] but when I started podcasting and stuff like I said I've been deep dive researching since 2012 if I wasn't at work I mean, of course I mean, I spent time with my family and stuff but it's like in my free time I was listening to podcasts or I was reading a book and doing this type of stuff but it's like once I started talking about this stuff me and my wife started having issues at home and so I was like you know

[00:21:56] this has to be it because we never had issues and push come to shove it got to the point where she basically told me that I was paying too much attention to podcasting to the Bible study and that I was going to quit that I was going to put it all down or we were going to be over

[00:22:25] at this point we'd been fighting like cats and dogs for months and I'd been threatening to you know to leave if we didn't get along anyway because we were already living in hell anyway and honestly it was just like at that point it was like I'm doing this you know to try to bring people to Christ and the people that are already with Christ grow their knowledge about things and help them you know spiritually fight off you know

[00:22:55] deceptions and things like that it's like this is the this is something I felt called to do and I never had a a purpose or a calling I've always just been that guy that just went to work pay the bills come home and that was it and so basically yeah I mean that this whole thing like you said the spiritual warfare side of it and the attacks it's real it cost me my marriage yeah I mean that's some heavy stuff to deal with

[00:23:25] but I suppose I suppose like you say you can look at it on almost a brighter side like you say if you feel like you're being called to do this and like you say you're getting something out of it then it's almost I don't want to say worth it because that's definitely the wrong word but do you know what I'm trying to say yeah yeah yeah I mean it's a shame that that's happened that's that's the way it's had to that's the way life's had to plan

[00:23:54] out for you but I mean like I say if you're one of these people who believes that there's a plan for life then I suppose it's almost easier to deal with as well yeah and we get along great now I mean yeah we get along great we talk and do stuff with the kids and I still go over there and visit and we talk and stuff everything's great it's weird it's just and that's the only thing I can strike it up to it was just a it was a spiritual warfare type thing and it

[00:24:24] was like the you know the the devil moving in and was just like okay I'm gonna shut this guy up yeah I mean I suppose at least you've got a very small silver line in there that you know you can still talk and you know get along with each other now then I mean it's not like ended and you never speak to each other again so I mean I suppose every cloud has one wow

[00:24:54] I don't even know where to where to take it from there that's that's insane I went dark on you I'm sorry it's fine and honestly I've done lots of shows man but I've never talked about that you know it's been about a year now but it's just I don't know I feel led to say it now well I mean I appreciate that I appreciate you opening up and telling us about that's

[00:25:24] that's that's really something like I said it's literally has knocked me for six I don't know where do we go from there right on that note guys then we're going to take a quick break so we shall be back after this

[00:26:14] Right then, guys. Welcome back to the Spooky Shed podcast. Of course, I'm still here with Justin. So, Justin, shall we dive into your book, my friend? So, The Epic of Esau. Am I still saying that correct? Yes, sir. Two for two. You're on fire, bro. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. So, how should we do this? Do you want to give us a brief synopsis of what the book is about and where the inspiration come from when you started? Yeah.

[00:26:44] Yeah, this was my first ever book. And like I said, you know, I was a factory rat, nine-to-five guy. Never, never, never, never thought that I'd be writing a book ever. But here we are. But I designed it myself. I wrote it myself. No fancy editors and stuff. So, you know, there's probably plenty of typos in here. I found a few myself. Even though I proofread the thing like three, four times. But once you have it in your hand, you start reading. You're like, oh, man, how did I miss that?

[00:27:13] But if you can get past typos, if you're not a, you know, like a grammar Nazi man, the book's a great read and lots of good theological nuggets in here. But I designed the cover and everything. So if you go on Amazon and look, look for this big hairy yoked guy with a bow on his back. It says that the Epic of Esau, the seed war or the birthright and seed war.

[00:27:36] And for the listeners, it's got the famous red bowl of stew on a table with him with his back turned to it, walking away. But the back, like the synopsis or whatever on the back of it, you know, it says Esau is one of the most enigmatic characters in the Bible. His birth alone is strange to say the least. He came out red, covered in hair from head to toe like a hairy cloak.

[00:28:05] What if I told you there is much more to this guy's story, but has been lost to us throughout the ages, that his story is scattered in pieces throughout other ancient extra biblical books. This is a story of what we would call today a Bigfoot. This story goes back to the Garden of Eden, a serpent, supernatural garments and a birthright. This tale reveals Esau's connection to the Nephilim giants and his genealogy's role in the end times.

[00:28:33] Welcome to an epic journey. This is the Epic of Esau. And honestly, this is, you know, it's about 270 pages, so it's not too intimidating. It's 15 chapters. And it all honestly started, this journey of writing this book started with a catty joke.

[00:28:59] Some people call what I'm about to talk about the Holy Spirit. You know, Christians call it the Holy Spirit. The Greeks of ancient times, they called it the muse. You know, it's just this sudden burst of inspiration or something just comes to you out of nowhere. That's what happened. I was on my show that I do with my friends, the Dig Bible podcast.

[00:29:26] And we had Trey Smith from God in a Nutshell on. And he was one of the guys that red-pilled me, you know, that introduced me to all this stuff. So I was, you know, beside myself to have him on the show. But he made a comment and he was like, hey, you guys are from East Tennessee. That's Bigfoot country. Next time I'm down that way, I'll give you guys a call and we'll go Bigfoot hunting. He said, maybe we'll record it and do a documentary. That would be fun.

[00:29:55] I was like, yeah, man, come on down. And then just out of nowhere, man, Genesis 25, 25 popped into my head. And for those that's not familiar, that's the verse that talks about the birth of Esau. And it says, the first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak. And I said, well, Trey, what about Esau?

[00:30:22] I said, you think maybe he would have been technically like the first documented Bigfoot or like the first Bigfoot seed? And he kind of chuckled and he said, I don't know. He said, you may be on to something. He said, he was definitely a hairy dude, that's for sure. And then I got to thinking about it. I was like, I've read that and heard that story my whole life.

[00:30:47] And like I had said earlier at the beginning of the show, it's, I had asked about that because I thought it was strange as a kid the first time I'd heard it. But I was just told, oh, you know your uncle? Everybody's got that hairy-backed uncle. Oh, that's what that is. Or he just had a good beard. You know, that was kind of hyperbole or exaggeration. He wasn't literally covered in hair from head to toe. But then I was like, no, man, I mean, that's what the Bible says.

[00:31:15] I mean, if you take it for what it says, that's what it says. And I just kind of let it go. And honestly, it was like the next week I had Gary Wayne on the show. And we were talking about the Epic of Gilgamesh. But I had him, it was on my other show, The Prometheus Lens. And I was reading through it. And this was one of those stories that I was familiar with, but I had never sat down and just actually read the story all the way through.

[00:31:44] So I was sitting and reading it all the way through. And I bump into this guy named Enkydude. And just like Esau, he was covered in hair from head to toe. And he was a mighty hunter of the field, just like Esau. And I was like, dude, here's another one of these hairy dudes that sounds like a Sasquatch. And he was a wild man of the field, a mighty hunter, just like Esau. And I was like, I keep bumping into these guys.

[00:32:13] And then it was literally like the next week or maybe the week after that, I had another show that had a guest on. And we were going through the book of Jasher. And that's an extra biblical book that's mentioned in the Old Testament two or three times.

[00:32:31] And in there, got to reading, it says that Nimrod had built up jealousy and contentment against Esau all of his days. And both of them were known as the mighty hunter. So it was kind of like a Highlander scenario. You know, there can only be one baby.

[00:32:57] And it says that Nimrod goes out with a group of men and goes to hunt this hairy quote unquote man down to kill him like a beast, hunt him down like a beast. And it says that Nimrod, you know, and we hear in the Bible that Nimrod was described as a giant.

[00:33:21] And it says in Genesis that he wasn't born a gibberim, but he became a gibberim. And that word gibberim is Hebrew. And that's the same word used to describe the Nephilim giants in the Old Testament. And so it says that Nimrod and two of his gibberim go out after Esau and that Esau was out in the field and sees them, but he hides himself.

[00:33:50] And that he jumps out by surprise and he cuts off Nimrod's head with the sword and then fights the other two gibberim and kills them. So he kills, you know, not one, not two, but three giants single handedly in combat. And it says that he takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments.

[00:34:17] And it says that these garments were the reason that Nimrod was able to prevail over all the nations and conquer all the lands. And that he rushes back home, hides the garments, and then he goes into his brother's tent. And there his brother Jacob is preparing the red Lentenal snooze.

[00:34:40] And so I was like, man, that answers a lot of questions that the Genesis kind of just left open ended because the book of Genesis that's in our Bible. When you get to that trading of the birthright, all it says is that, you know, one day Esau, the mighty hunter, comes in from the field exhausted.

[00:35:04] And that his brother was preparing stew and that he asks his brother for some of the stew. And Jacob says, yeah, sure, you can have some of the stew, but trade me your birthright. And he says, what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead? Take it. Eats the stew, trades his birthright and leaves. And I was like, you know, even as a kid, I was like, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Because the birthright is basically the inheritance.

[00:35:34] You know, you're the eldest son. You were going to get the lands. You were going to get all the animals and the money. Everything was coming to you. And you're supposed to be the mighty hunter. And you are coming in from the field starving. You know what I mean? Number one, that don't make any sense whatsoever. If you're the mighty hunter, I mean, you could have had lion steak for dinner. You wouldn't have been starving.

[00:36:03] And then number two, you're not going to trade your inheritance. You know, if you're Donald Trump's son about to inherit billions of dollars in the family business to your younger brother for a bag of Doritos, man. But when you tie in this book of Jasher, man, that makes a lot more sense. That he just fought and killed the king. So he's afraid for his life. He's on the run.

[00:36:31] And killed three giants. So in this fight, you can safely assume that he sustained some life-threatening injuries. And he was afraid. He was on the run from killing the king. Probably, you know, walking in with slashes on his gut and stab wounds and bleeding out. And rushed into his brother's tent and looking over his shoulder, thinking the king's army was after him.

[00:36:57] And he was probably, you know, begging his brother to save his life. So the soup, you know, the sustenance, the life-saving thing, was probably like an allegorical thing. You know, for basically, sew me up. Bandage me. Stop the bleeding. Give me medicine. Give me nourishment. Hide me. And that makes a lot more sense to why he said, you know, what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead?

[00:37:27] Take it. And even Jacob's urgency in that story. If you go back and you read that, Jacob ain't just willy-nilly. Jacob's like, no, promise me that you will do this thing. No, no, no. Promise me now. Promise me now. So it's like there's a whole lot of urgency in there that we don't pick up on. So just finding this stuff, man, I was like, if I'm finding this stuff just on accident,

[00:37:56] if I actually look with intention, I'm sure I'm going to find some, a lot of missing pieces to this guy. Yeah, definitely. I think, well, like I said, I mean, you've already proved that if you go looking for answers, we'll see, you're going to find them. Because like I said, there's, just from what you've told me there, there's a lot of things that don't make sense. Which is very, very odd.

[00:38:27] Yeah, because honestly, if you think about it, the Bible, you know, was written thousands of years ago. They were writing it to the people of that time. They wasn't thinking of us two, three thousand years later reading this book and us not understanding, you know, the culture and the history and the things that were going on at that time.

[00:38:54] And the lingo, how we have words and slangs and coins of phrases today that thousands of years later, people are not going to know or understand the context of it. So they wasn't that forward thinking. And also, they didn't have a Bible back then. They had all these scrolls that were circulating. They had the book of Jasher. They had Enoch, Jubilees, just all these different scrolls.

[00:39:24] And they also had oral traditions, stories that were passed throughout the generations that was, you know, mandatory for every family to know and tell to their children. So the writers of the book of Genesis was just like, you know, we don't need to theoretically be the dead horse here. There's already the book of Jasher. There's already, you know, this scroll, this scroll circulating.

[00:39:53] There's already this oral tradition and story. Everybody knows about Nimrod and Esau and all this stuff. I don't have to put that in here. Everybody knows that already. And then same thing with Genesis 6. When you get to Genesis 6, you get this little blurb, you know, there were giants on the earth in those days and also afterward. Boom. And it's done.

[00:40:20] And us today is like, whoa, man, that seems pretty weird. I want to know more about that. Give me some more context. Same thing. It's like we got the book of Enoch. Everybody knows about the giants, how the angels came down, read with men and gave them knowledge. We don't need to rehash that. Everybody knows. No, we didn't. And here comes the Catholic Church and puts together this Bible.

[00:40:47] And some of those scrolls and stories didn't make it into it. So when we read the stuff that did make it in there, they're alluding to and talking about things very vaguely. That we don't know because those other scrolls are the missing pieces to that puzzle. I always find it really interesting, like you say, with religious texts and stuff because they're so old.

[00:41:11] I almost like to almost play devil's advocate and like I wonder how much has been lost and how much of it that remains is almost lost in translation, if you know what I mean. I often wonder, is that what they were trying to say? I can't think of an example off the top of my head because I'm not very clued up with religious texts, I must admit. But it's something that always fascinates me.

[00:41:40] It's a lot of conversations I have with people at work because I work with quite a few people who are religious. Because, well, I'm not, if that's not obvious. And it always really interests me just how much of it is the same as how much it's changed over, like you say, those thousands of years. Obviously, because like I say, obviously when it was first written, it won't have been in English or whatever languages as we know today.

[00:42:10] It could be in any. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And see, that's why it's important. Like, because with all the advancements we got today, you don't have to know all these other languages to look at the originals. You know, like Logos Bible Software. I love that thing. If any of your listeners, you know, are Christians and they like looking at the Bible and stuff like that, go get that app. You can get it on your phone, your computer, your tablet, whatever.

[00:42:40] It's free, but they got book packages and stuff you can buy in there, of course. But they have interlinears and all this stuff. So, but basically like what an interlinear is, is the Old Testament, you know, was written in Hebrew. So, they'll have the Hebrew all written out and then underneath it, they'll have the English translation. Yeah.

[00:43:33] So, you can insert and figure out the context and kind of compare and do that, which is amazing. And look at that. And you can do the same thing with the New Testament because it was, you know, written in Greek. So, you can look at the Greek side by side with the English.

[00:43:51] But, but yeah, man, but going through those and just finding those different books and what I'd done was like you said, when you read that, some of those stories just sound kind of crazy and outlandish. And when you try to put them beside like the Bible, I tried to use the Bible as like the, like the guide stone or anchor.

[00:44:14] So, it's like if this, if this scroll or text was saying this, this, and this about this event and it's in the Bible, I would compare it to it. And if it contradicted it or it was totally different, then I was like, okay, I'm not going with that. But, but if it like run parallel with it, but added extra context or threw in missing pieces, I ran with it.

[00:44:39] And so, when I went through all those different extra biblical books and things like that, I did, man, as I went through and separated, you know, the meat from the bone.

[00:44:49] And then, I put together a complete flowing narrative of this guy named Esau that stitches perfectly into the biblical narrative and answers so many ambiguous things that's in the 66 book canon. It was amazing.

[00:45:12] And then, I discovered, uh, uh, uh, Lewis Ginsburg, uh, he, he wrote a seven book series called, uh, Legends of the Jews. And he went through and gathered all their, uh, oral traditions and all their legends and stuff involving the people of the Bible and wrote them all down.

[00:45:35] So, it was, it was, it was really cool to, to take those and add those in, uh, to the narrative. And I even talk about it in the book. I'm like, you know, this is, this was their legends and their lore doesn't necessarily make it factual, but hey, this is what they believed. And this is what the, the stories and word of mouth that was traveling around at that time.

[00:46:03] And so, maybe you can see why you find in this scroll or in the book of Genesis or whatever that it said, X, Y, Z, because this was a legend or a lore that was traveling around at that time. Um, so that's why it kind of, you know, influenced their, their thoughts and how they, they thought about things and then also influenced their writing. Again, it's just, it's what you're telling me now is just really, really interesting.

[00:46:32] And the first thing I'm thinking is here is how long, how, how long has it took you to do this, to write the book and do all the research for it? Because like you say, obviously like you, you've mentioned earlier, you know, you, you work a full-time job as well. I, how have you, how have you found the time to do this? Like to me, this, this sounds like years of worth of research. Hmm. Yeah. It took two years. Yep. Two years.

[00:47:00] But at the same time it was, uh, where I got two podcasts too. And it's kind of, or all around the same subject matter. So it was like in my free time that I had to read and stuff and study, I was really deep diving into this one subject. But at the same time, a lot of the subjects that I was talking about on the podcasts and shows was kind of interweaving and around, you know, this same topic or subject.

[00:47:29] So I kind of got to like cross pollinate a lot. So like I'd have a guest on and they wrote a book on, uh, the Nephilim giant. So I, you know, I talked to them, I kind of got to pick their brain, you know, like, Hey, well, what do you think about this or that? You know, what, what book or, you know, uh, person would you recommend for me to find this or that and, you know, pick their brain. And so it was pretty cool. So I kind of had like some, some good little help and cheats along the way.

[00:47:59] No, but that's, that's just, I mean, that's, that's the beauty of podcasting. I think, you know, like just doing your podcasters helped you do research for your own book. It's that like, that's the best part about it. I think. Yeah. I'm all about two for us. Uh, you mentioned there, the, uh, Nephilim giants. I I've heard a lot about them. Don't know a great deal. It's something that I want to look into a bit more.

[00:48:26] Um, can you tell us a bit about them? Yeah, man. Uh, the Nephilim giants, that is one of those things. Uh, that I truly don't think is, uh, legend or lore. I think it is fact. Um, when you find the same story throughout every single culture of the world, every single

[00:48:55] religion, every single people group, every single timeframe of the world has the same exact story. It's just maybe a little different caveats to it. That tells me that there's, that there's something to it. You know, I'm not a coincidence theorist. No, no. So, you know, when you take the, the, the biblical narrative, uh, when you get to Genesis six,

[00:49:21] it says, uh, that the, uh, the sons of God and in Hebrew, that's, you know, but Neha Elohim. Uh, every time that that phrase is used, it's talking about divine heavenly beings. And it says that the sons of God came down and bred with the daughters of men and created Nephilim giants.

[00:49:47] And it says, you know, that the giants were on the earth in those days before and after talking about the flood. And it says, these were the mighty men of old, the men of renown. Um, and when you get into the book of Enoch, it says that these angels, these fallen angels, uh, they, some texts call them the, the watchers.

[00:50:15] They, they came down and lusted after the women and took wives and bred with them. And the children were the Nephilim. But on top of that, they gave humanity like forbidden knowledge. And they taught them the art of, uh, metalworking, uh, witchcraft, cutting of roots, enchantments, uh, astrology, reading of the stars.

[00:50:42] Uh, there's a whole list of things, even down to, uh, abortion, the art of war, all these things that, uh, corrupted humanity. And it says that, uh, it corrupted them so bad that that's why God had to bring the flood. And it said, and it said that so it done it so bad, uh, and that the DNA pool was corrupted

[00:51:08] so bad that Noah and his family were the only purebred humans left. And you don't get that unless you get into the original languages. Right. Because like growing up in church, I was just told that, oh, well, the sons of God were the

[00:51:29] righteous line of Seth, that these were the, the good, morally pure line of people intermixed with the ungodly, wicked daughters of Cain. And when they got together, they made spiritually wicked people. And those spiritually wicked people became the Kings and the rulers of the world.

[00:51:58] And they corrupted the earth that they were the Nephilim. But when you read about the Nephilim, you know, they, they were giants. They, you know, some of them were described in certain books that they were, you know, 20, 30 foot. They were huge. And it said that they were cannibals. They, they ate, they ate human flesh and just all the stuff they did. So it's like, you know, uh, one of my buddies made a comment that kind of stuck with me. He said, kissing cousins don't make 30 footers, man.

[00:52:29] And that, that just kind of stuck with me. So, and then, uh, when you go down to that thing about Noah, you know, being the only, you know, pure genealogy humans left, uh, you go to the Hebrew because where it says that Noah was the only righteous man left. It wasn't talking about, he was the only, you know, sinless man. That word righteous in Hebrew is to mem.

[00:52:58] And to mem is the same word that is used to describe the purity of the blood of the sacrificial animals. So the animals that were sacrificed in the old Testament, they had to be to mem. The blood had to be to mem pure. And so when it was using that terminology with Noah, it was associating.

[00:53:26] That word with the sacrificial animals and, and that system. So it was saying that, you know, he was the only ones, you know, that his bloodline was pure because the Nephilim, the fallen angels had tainted the entire world so bad. That's why the flood had to come. It was like a, like a great reset. Yeah. And when you go and you look into the other cultures, you find it everywhere.

[00:53:54] Every single culture throughout the world all has a flood story. And, uh, like when you go to the Greeks, what does the Greeks talk about? They talk about, uh, a divine council. You got Zeus and Poseidon and all this. Well, what happens is that their fathers were the original gods.

[00:54:17] They rebelled against them and overthrew them and cast them into Tartarus, right? Well, the Bible says that God's sons tried to rebel, but failed. And he cast them into Tartarus. Right.

[00:54:44] And so the ones that rebelled and would come down to earth, of course, they're the ones that are pretending to be gods and telling all of humanity that, well, we're gods and, and given all this technology and we're superior and we're worshiped as gods. And they told them this perverted story and they're memorialized as Zeus and Poseidon and all these other guys. And so that's why you get this perverted version.

[00:55:13] But, but even in the Greek story, these gods like Zeus, Poseidon and all these others, what do they do? They come down and they have sex with human women. And what do they make? They make demigods like Hercules, Perseus, all these guys that have superhuman strength and abilities. These are Nephilim. It's confirming the biblical narrative.

[00:55:42] And no matter where you go, you have the same story. It's just different names and caveats to it. In North America, the Indians talk about the sky people. The sky people come down, stole their women and bred with them and made these hybridized creatures and these giants. And they terrorized the land and they turned cannibal and ravaged the land and was eating

[00:56:07] the people that, so, and that all the people had to band together and wipe out these giants and run them out. Veracocha down in South America says that his first, in his first creation, that he created giants and the same thing, that they ravaged the land and were so wicked and terrorized the

[00:56:34] earth that he had to bring a great flood and wipe them out and start over again. So, I mean, you have it, just repeat it over and over again. And they've even found their bones and their remnants. You know, the great Smithsonian cover-up. If you go looking online, you can find all kinds of pictures and news articles back in the,

[00:56:58] you know, back in the 1800s and stuff of 16, 18, 20-foot human skeletons found. It's all over the place. But the bones always disappear. The Smithsonian shows up and the bones disappear every time. And then you find these elongated skulls all over the world. I think that's another Nephilim. But it's kind of like the theory of entropy.

[00:57:28] You know, nothing gets better over time. It gets weaker. So it's like the more that these Nephilim bred with humanity and the longer they went, that DNA strand got weaker and weaker. So they got shorter and shorter. And it just kind of pops up in different variations. And like Jubilee and Enoch, it talks about they not only did that, but they sinned against the beasts of the field and the birds of the air.

[00:57:56] So it's like they were, you know, modifying genetically like we're doing today with science, cloning. And that's why you get all these centaurs and these crazy hybrid cryptid beasts drawn on cave art walls and in the mythologies and all this stuff because that's what these Nephilim giants and fallen angels were doing.

[00:58:22] Interesting thing there, because as soon as you mentioned there about how you believe that it's fact, and I think there's definitely something to it. How much I'm not 100% sure yet. I definitely need to do a lot more looking into it. But something that has always fascinated me, and it's purely when you said about it's in so many different like cultures and different texts, and it all essentially resembles the same sort of thing.

[00:58:49] And then I'm kind of glad that you mentioned sort of like cryptid creatures or else this would have seemed like a very weird tangent. But something that's always interested me because it's in so many different cultures is dragons. Yeah. Because, like I said, when dragons were apparently a thing, alive, however you want to word it, like, you know, you couldn't spread news around the world like you can now with literally the press of a button sort of thing.

[00:59:19] So if they weren't real, how were all these different corners of the earth coming up with the same sort of creature if it wasn't real? Well, it's something that's always really interested me. Yeah. And you get them in the Bible. I mean, you get them in all these ancient texts. That's another thing. It's one of those universal things. I mean, you got the Inca stones down in Peru.

[00:59:46] You know, these ancient stones, but it's depicting people side by side with dinosaurs. And some of them, they're riding them like horses into battle. And when you look at some of those, man, they even have the scales drawn on the sides of them. Yeah. It's like these things were real. They walked alongside of them.

[01:00:14] I mean, they were even drawing their freaking scales and stuff. Yeah, exactly. And the Paluxi River down in Texas, they find dinosaur prints side by side with human footprints. You know, I don't follow the scientific narrative that they were, you know, millions of years ago and they were way before mankind and they were separated. No, they were together. They were together.

[01:00:42] Again, it's an interesting one because I tend to be more on the scientific side of things. But like, I'm pretty sure like the whole time when dinosaurs, if you want to go like, say, you know, what science says, when dinosaurs were about, there is literally millions of years between them.

[01:01:06] Just like, just while they were on earth, it's like, it was one of my favorite things apparently, like Jurassic Park, like none of the article dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were around in the Jurassic period. I'm pretty sure that's, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's either that or there's not many of them that were around in the Jurassic period. So the name's sort of stupid when, you know, people who want to be literal with things. Well, that's something that's always, always interested me.

[01:01:33] Is it just like the idea of dragons, because let's be honest, dragons are cool as fuck. Big lizards that can fly and breathe fire. I mean, whether they could breathe fire, I mean, I don't know whether that's a thing, but I think there was definitely something to it. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to lie, Justin, I really, really enjoyed this. It's been like, this has been a real education for me, to be honest, this episode.

[01:01:56] I'm not going to lie, a lot of times I don't, a lot of times I don't feel like I've learned a lot after speaking to people, but tonight I definitely have. Hundreds and hundreds and thousands. Oh man, I appreciate it. No problem, no problem. Do you want to tell our listeners where they can find you, find your podcast, more importantly, where they can find your book? Yeah, man, I appreciate you having me. I had a good time. I enjoyed the spooky, cool shit.

[01:02:24] But yeah, guys, if you enjoy some of the topics that I talked about today, check out my shows. I got one that's more of like a Bible study. We just talk about stuff in the Bible and the weird stuff in the Bible. We talk about the dragons of the Bible, the Leviathan, you know, and Rahab and stuff like that. And the fallen angels and the giants, all the cool fringy stuff that you're not going to hear in church.

[01:02:52] That's what we do there at the Dig Bible podcast. My other podcast is the Prometheus Lens podcast. Everything from cryptids to lost civilizations to aliens to the Bible, all that cool stuff, conspiracy theories. But it's with a biblical lens. So you get all those cool things and you get my deep dive research, but you kind of get my perspective on it with a biblical lens.

[01:03:21] And so just anywhere you consume content, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, any of those buying establishments, wherever your favorite place to consume content, just search up the Dig Bible podcast or Prometheus Lens podcast and you will find us there. Same thing on the social media platforms. We're on all those different ones. And the book is on Amazon. Just look for this yoked out guy, The Epic of Esau, the Birthright and Seed War.

[01:03:49] You can get it in e-book for 10 bucks or paperback for 20 bucks. And this is 20 chapters or sorry, not 15 chapters. But it's really extensive. And I lay all cards on the table. I go through all the ancient extra biblical books, legends and lore. First few chapters, I lay a groundwork for the wild man.

[01:04:13] So I go through all the ancient cultures and I go through all their legends and lore about Bigfoot, what they called it and some of their legends. So I lay out a good groundwork, you know, that this guy is real. You have it throughout the world. And then I go into science. You know, science calls it hypertrichosis when people are born covered in hair from head to toe. So I kind of look at it from a scientific perspective. What could they call it?

[01:04:44] And then I go through the Bible. I show you different wild men covered in hair in the Bible. And then I introduce you to Esau and how he intermarries into giant clans and all this different stuff. And so it's a full walkthrough of this enigmatic character of the Bible. If you were ever curious about this dude, you're not going to find a more complete story about this Sasquatch sounding guy. That's perfect, Justin. Well, yeah, guys, that's it.

[01:05:14] That's it for today, tonight, whatever time you're listening to this. So as always, go and check out our Instagram page at the Spooky Shed podcast. You'll find the link in the bio for all our other pages, merch stars, all that sort of stuff. And we shall speak to you next time. Justin, once again, thank you for coming on. And obviously, again, all our listeners, go check out Justin, check out his book, check out his podcasts. And we shall speak to you next time. Right. Thank you, brother.

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