The Spooky Shed Meets The Terror Cellar! Ep.83

[00:00:25] This is a message for Billy. You can go fuck yourself, bro. Alright? Don't be a twat, Billy. Yeah, Billy, man. You're being a real asshole. Billy, you're a cunt.

[00:01:10] Alright, so Andy, welcome to The Shed, my friend. How are we? I'm good, Liam. Very nice to be here. Thanks for having me, shall I say. No problem. Right, where shall we start? So, you're a man of many talents, I'll say. So, as well as obviously being a podcaster, you're also a museum, a musician, an artist. I will be a museum. Yeah. One day. Anything else to add to that list?

[00:01:39] I do, I've got fingers in a lot of pies or shall I say, the classic saying, I'm a master of none, of nothing or whatever. You know, I mean, Jack of all trades, master of none. I'm just a creative person. I constantly, constantly have to create. I mean, if I don't create, it's really weird. Like, if I don't make music, I feel sick.

[00:02:04] And I know that sounds odd, but I've had, it's been like a lifelong thing. If I don't make music, if I don't paint or do anything that involves creating something, I, yeah, I kind of have a mental breakdown. I know it sounds odd, but it's hard to explain to people because they're like, what are you talking about? You know, but it's, I don't know. It's just a passion. It's like in my veins every, every second of the day I'm thinking about it, you know.

[00:02:35] Yeah. No, I mean, I can completely relate with that, to be fair. I mean, like I said, my day job, I'm a chef for anyone who somehow doesn't know who listens to us. So, I suppose, well, there's some creativity in that, not as much as there used to be. Obviously doing this as well. I'm obsessed with Lego, so I have to be doing it. I always like doing something with my hands.

[00:02:54] Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just like, with music, it's like, it's, I mean, there's all different types of musicians and people, but I've just, it's always in my mind. Like right now, I'm talking to you at the back of my mind, I'm piecing a song together. Do you know what I mean? It's sort of like, it's 24 seven and it can be a bit of a burden sometimes, you know, because you can't, at night when you lay down and you want to go sleep.

[00:03:21] There's no such thing as just resting. Your mind is constantly at it. Yeah, again, can very much relate with that. Your Instagram bio says abstract artist. Now, as someone who is a bit of an idiot when it comes to art, can you explain to me what abstract art is?

[00:03:42] Yes. Well, abstract art, a lot of people, a lot of people could say, I can do that. I can did that. You know, did your child do that? You know, it's that kind of, you know, that's how people perceive it.

[00:03:59] But abstract art is like, it's an expression and it's just like a, it's like a bit of a soul searching kind of thing. You can't really, I only call it abstract art because that's what it goes under. It's just an expression onto the canvas and it's, believe it or not, when you see like an abstract piece of work and someone scribbled something, yes, you could say I can do that.

[00:04:29] But it's also, I mean, when I look at a blank canvas, I'm sort of terrified to start because you just don't know, you let your sort of, your inner feelings do the painting in a way, you know, it's, so it's kind of, there's no form, I don't think, to abstract art. It's, it's all led by emotion and things like that. It's definitely not a boring bowl of fruit or anything like that because, you know, that doesn't interest me.

[00:05:00] Hmm. Yeah, because it, because art fascinates me in a way because one thing I can never understand and you might be able to help with this as well because I don't know if you sell any of your art, but I'd never understand. How you put a price on it. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's, like, there's some that go for millions and I look at it and I'm like, well, that's shit. Well, that's like shit to me. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, it fascinates me to be honest.

[00:05:27] I'm the same. I mean, I've sold quite a few now and, um, it's a weird one because when I, when I was going to sell my first one, I was like, uh, how do I do this? I mean, how would you put a price on it without looking big headed or, or vain? And you know, and then you think, well, if I do it too cheap, it just becomes another piece of Ikea art. Do you know what I mean? So I started looking at other artists and stuff and like, how do I level myself towards similar to that?

[00:05:57] And then eventually I sold one for about 600 quid, which was, I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? That's good. And I was like, this is, um, this is happening.

[00:06:09] So then from that first sale, I was like, okay, that size canvas I just sold goes for about 600 quid. Right. That's, that's it. They bought it for that price. So that's what it's worth. And then I sold a bigger one for one and a half grand, you know, and then the most I think I've gone is just under two grand, you know, that kind of price.

[00:06:33] And that's, I know it's ridiculous money, but it's the art world. And that's the kind of level you have to sort of, if you undersell yourself, you look cheap. And, you know, it does looks like you're not taking yourself seriously. And if you oversell yourself, you know, people think you're taking the piss. So it's a tough one. I just go on what people buy at the end of the day. And it slowly seems to creep up on the size of the canvas mainly.

[00:07:02] Mm. I suppose as well, like, I suppose then with like, with your type of abstract art as well, you could, um, you could very easily like auction that because I suppose some people will pay for something like, for something like what you do there will pay whatever they want for it because they'll pay what they think it's worth, if that makes sense. But I suppose that's the same with any art, but I'd imagine more so with abstract art.

[00:07:26] Yeah. Well, uh, yeah, it's, it's all down to the person, you know, looking at it at the end of the days, like we were saying one person would be like, that's shit. Do you know what I mean? I can do that. And then the next person is going, I can see, I can feel that one. I'm going to, I'm going to give them 10 grand for that piece. Do you know what I mean? But rarely, I mean, I would love someone to come along who thinks like that.

[00:07:50] Do you know what I mean? But, you know, in general, I just do art, you know, let me just say, actually, I'm sat in my, my little room where I had it as like a shop selling my art. Right. And then I got sick and tired of it. I got sick and tired of trying to sell art because it's not, it doesn't feel natural to me as like, I just want to paint and love it.

[00:08:11] And if someone wants to buy one mega, you know, but trying to be a businessman about it, it just doesn't come to me naturally. Do you know what I mean? So I've sat that all off and now I'm converting it, converting it into a little recording studio for my music. And that comes first, you know, that's like my most natural thing. Yeah. No, I like it. I like it. Um, cause I was going to say it's a shame you're not in a cellar because then that would have been really good since I am in the shed.

[00:08:41] I know. I wish, I wish. I grew up in Northampton and every house has got a cellar. Do you know what I mean? So I would have been, but I'm in Worthing now, which is near Brighton and I'm on the seafront at the moment. Oh yeah. Well, we probably couldn't be much further apart then cause I'm, I'm on the course boat right up north. So. Whereabouts up north? Well, it's Redcar near Middlesbrough, northeast. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:10] Oh, I think I played there at some point in my life. Probably, probably, probably. Can't even, can't even think where, but yeah, there'll be somewhere. I've definitely played Middlesbrough. I know that a few times, but. Yeah. I'd imagine probably like Town Hall or Empire or somewhere or something. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[00:09:31] Right then Andy. So the terror seller. So obviously you have an interest in the paranormal and all the weird things in life, as I say. Okay. So where does that interest come from then for you? Where does it all start? Okay. Well, it, it starts, it started when I was a little kid and, um, I spent most of my life then growing up with my grandparents.

[00:09:57] Cause mum, I was a single child, you know, no brothers or sisters. And, um, I only had a mum, no dad. So she was off working. And, um, I spent every day with my grandparents and, um, my nan always had this sort of fascination with the paranormal and things like that.

[00:10:18] And she had books on the shelves, you know, like the unexplained universe and, you know, creepy stories and stuff from readers digest, you know, back in the day. And I was just like, just intrigued by it. And I used to take the books off the shelf and I'd just be sat there. Like I said, I had no brothers or sisters to annoy me. So it was just me and my imagination. So I'd be sat there reading about the Loch Ness monster and then reading about hauntings.

[00:10:48] And I just couldn't get my head around. Um, this is from a young age. It fascinated me so much. I couldn't get my head around that in the real world, there's this mysteriousness going on. Do you know what I mean? There's this weird shit going on amongst everyday life. And I thought this is just mental that this exists. Well, apparently, you know.

[00:11:15] Yeah. I mean, I know what you mean. It is weird. And like, I think that's where a lot of people's interests start, like you say, as a kid. It's where mine started, but then mine got, mine spiked again through doing this podcast. So, so I always like to ask people out because my story is a little bit different. Well, yeah, I mean, doing the podcast obviously reignites everything because you're always like yourself.

[00:11:45] I'm assuming you always loved it. But when you do, when you do your podcast, it's sort of, you sort of dive deeper into it, don't you again? And you may be going to a different avenues. You sort of hadn't really explored, you know? So, yeah, it's definitely brought it all back to me. And it's nice to kind of, with a podcast, it's nice to fine tune it, isn't it?

[00:12:09] Put everything into one place that, you know, instead of just sort of thinking about it or having the odd stones chat about it with someone. It's nice to actually put it into something that goes online for everyone to listen to. Yeah. And one reason I think that it's so good, especially like doing the podcast, I mean, I know, I know yours is a bit different, which we'll get into.

[00:12:32] But I just, I just, I just love talking to different people all the time about the same subject, but every conversation is different. But there'll be little things that are always the same, but then so many things that are different. And it's just, it's just crazy the amount of experiences that people have had. I mean, who's, who to say any of them are real? You know, we don't know that much. So my little catchphrase is that I believe in things, but I don't know what I believe in.

[00:13:00] So I just, I take everything with a pinch of salt, but I always listen to everything and everything always intrigues me. So, well, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm the same really. I mean, I believe, I do believe in stuff and every story I'll get sent. Sometimes it's so, someone said to me the other day, don't you just think, you know, that's taking the piss a bit, someone's story. And I'm like, well, I can't really judge that because I'm doing a podcast where I'm reading people's stories.

[00:13:27] If I start ripping them apart going, that's bullshit, that's bullshit. I won't have any stories because they all sound farfetched because it's the mysterious world we're talking about. You know what I mean? So I believe I have certain beliefs and then sometimes I contradict myself, but in general, I believe there's some weird shit going on in this world universe. Yeah. There's definitely weird shit going on.

[00:13:57] I mean, whether you can explain any of it, I know, is another question. Yeah. Yeah. So have you had any personal experiences yourself then that you can share? I have only one. And this is when I was, I'm trying to think. It was in the late 90s. I must've been in my early, early 20s. I think about 21 or something. And I did a night shift.

[00:14:26] Basically, my grandparents, they sold up everything and decided to take on this building in Northampton, this house. And it was a rest home, an old people's home. So they converted it and finished it off as an old people's home. And then we had a load of people in there. And I used to do, being quite young at the time, maybe I was in my late teens, actually. I was doing a night shift anyway. So I'd turn up, sit with them for a bit watching telly.

[00:14:54] Then they would go to bed in the attic right at the top, which is like three floors high. And I would sit up all night watching films and eating, basically. I used to go through the fridge and raid the shit out of it, you know. But, yeah, so basically, one night, I was, I think it was about two or three o'clock in the morning. I went into the kitchen to cook something in the oven. So I was wide awake. It's not like I was daydreaming. I was actually cooking something.

[00:15:25] And I was counting my wage packet, which is a tiny little brown envelope. And I was counting my 90 quid I used to get a week. And just beside me was a doorway to the kitchen. And hanging down from the doorway was them long strips of plastic, you know, like butchers have. Some butchers have them to stop the flies getting in. So we had them hanging down.

[00:15:50] And the front door of the house, can I just say, was, it was quite a long sort of Victorian type house. So the front door was right down there. And the back door, for example, was right at the other end. So nowhere near the kitchen, right? So I was stood there counting my money.

[00:16:09] And just in the slight edge of my vision, I mean, whilst counting the money, I could kind of see something dark just rushed past the door. Mega fast, right? And the plastic things went whoosh, like that.

[00:16:29] And now I was like, because sometimes, let me just say, sometimes my grandparents would pop down in the middle of the night because they couldn't trust me, basically, to stay awake. So they would come down and always go, you're right, and check on me. But this dark thing, it rushed past. And if it was my grandparents, there's no way they would just rush past the door and not see if I was all right, okay? Because that's just the way it was.

[00:16:58] And if it had been any of the old people in the house, I could have left 10 minutes later and still caught up with them. Because they all got Zimmer frames, you know, like walking, shuffling their feet. So I was just like, what the hell was that? You know, and I just stood there for a minute, sort of in silence. And then I walked around the house and went all the way upstairs, up to the attic where my grandparents were asleep.

[00:17:27] And then I had a bit of a freak out. I was like, oh shit. You know, I think, what was that? I think I've just seen something, you know. So I jumped down all the stairs, legged it, legged it down into the living room. I sat there with my hand over half my face so I couldn't see the doorway. Letting my food burn because I was too scared to go and get it. And I was just sat there and I was like, I've definitely just seen something. And it moved them plastic strips.

[00:17:55] And it was definitely a dark figure. I didn't see a face. So I can't say I saw like any. I mean, if I'd seen a face pop back around the corner, I would have shit myself. Do you know what I mean? If I saw like something looked at me. So thank God I didn't, I guess. But yeah, I had, that's the only experience I've ever had. But the fact that it was in such a hurry puzzles me.

[00:18:25] You know, like the more I thought about it, I was like, where was it going? You know, in what sort of realm was it in? Why was it rushing past? You know, that freaked me out more, the afterthought than the actual moment. Yeah, I think, well, I'm thinking the same, exact same thing, to be honest.

[00:18:47] And it's weird because when people tell me certain experiences, it's really weird because it only happens sometimes. Well, sometimes when someone tells me an experience, I get goosebumps. Sometimes it's because it's cold in the shed. Today's the first night. Tonight's the first night where I haven't had to put a heater on. And when you were telling me that then, I literally got goosebumps all up my arm. So that's weird and that's freaked me out a little bit as well. It did.

[00:19:13] It was a weird one because it's like, I dreamt all my life, I was dreaming that I was going to see a ghost. And then this thing happened and I was like, you know, like you always hear someone that everybody rationalizes with their self. You know, was I imagining it? But the fact that the plastic things moved with the dark thing that rushed past and the front door was so far away that there wasn't...

[00:19:43] You'd have to have like a gun with a block of wind in it that shot out wind to make that thing move. Do you know what I mean? So that's what I just found really odd. And then, yeah, like I said, once I thought and thought about it, the afterthought freaked me out more, you know. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I think that freaked me out more. It did.

[00:20:05] But actually, what I did want to say is lots of people whilst I worked there died in that house as well, you know, because it's an old people's home. I sat with an old man called Chaz one morning and he died. It was just me and him. And he just died. And that, you know, that's just an example of the kind of stuff that was going on in that house.

[00:20:30] And another old man, one day, he used to play pub piano, like back in the old days, you know, like probably in the 40s or something. Good old fashioned pub piano. And one day he went to the toilet and he just stood there with a big grin on his face. And we were like, what are you doing? And he said, like, I can hear the music. I can hear music. And then he died the next day. Do you know what I mean?

[00:20:59] It's sort of like, was he getting a sign? Was he getting an invitation? I don't know. It's all fascinating. But that house, either way, it had a lot of deaths in it just purely through being an old people's home. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense. So could you come up with any sort of like, you know, rational explanations for that then? Well, not really. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I didn't give up because I thought and thought about it.

[00:21:26] I was like, like I said, I could have left ages after and caught up with one of the old people. I probably could have sat down and had my dinner in the middle of the night and then walked out and found them walking around. And not just that, every door, because it was a proper place, had one of them heavy doors, the fireproof doors. So you heard a suction sound. So you could hear them when someone opened a door.

[00:21:55] And I didn't hear any doors open. And the front door was far away, like I said. So I couldn't. I thought about it and I just can't think. A dark thing rushed past and moved the plastic strips. And yeah, I can't think. It must have been. It must have been something paranormal in my head anyway. Yeah.

[00:22:21] It's funny because I always tend to think like, so if you like with like shadow figures or black figures or whatever you want to call them. I often wonder like, because it's a dark figure, it's a black figure. Does that mean that there's an evil presence to it? Do you know what I mean? That's what I always wonder. Because shadow figures are the ones that seem to scare people the most from what I've heard.

[00:22:48] I mean, you just put it, you sort of imagine a dark figure rushes past, you know, in your head. You immediately think a dark figure. So it must be evil. Yeah. I didn't really get any sense of anything dark, you know, bad. But I could see why some people do. But no, I didn't really get a sense. All I got a sense of was something was in a hurry. You know, like it was going somewhere.

[00:23:19] But that, you know, that's what freaked me out. It's like, where was it going and why? Do you know what I mean? I just, I still puzzled myself about it. And then years later, I still sometimes questioned myself about it. Like, was I just imagining it? But I know I wasn't. Do you know what I mean? I know I was wide awake, stood in the kitchen, counting my wages in my little envelope. You know, it's definitely not dreary at all. Yeah.

[00:23:50] Like you say, it's just, it's just, it's just strange. Like you say, with shadow figures and stuff, it's always, it always intrigues the hell out of me because it always seems to be, like you say, it's never full on in your face. It's always, you know. Yeah, it's always in the peripheral vision. It's happened to me a few times. That's what I mean. That's what makes you think, am I imagining it? You know, is it? Because it's always in the side of your vision. But I don't know why that is.

[00:24:21] Some people, obviously, I get some stories and they fucking saw it coming straight at them. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Do you want one running at you? Exactly. I'm not sure I do. But I would like to see one. But it's a bit like UFOs, isn't it?

[00:24:40] Because for so many years and all this technology, every bit of footage is always blurry and shaky. You know what I mean? But they can take a picture of a planet, which is bloody HD and all that. But whenever there's a UFO in the sky, it's like out of focus or something. It's like, surely someone has got some good footage. And if they have, this is the other flip of the coin.

[00:25:09] If they have, we'll probably think it's fake because there's so much fake stuff out there. A real one will get lost amongst it. You know what I mean? So we're kind of in this horrible world of crap. And a real one will get missed, you know? Probably. Probably. To go back to the shadow figures. Yeah. So do you know anybody or have you ever suffered with sleep paralysis yourself?

[00:25:39] Because that's something that always interests me. I don't think so. Because that always interests me because... Go on, sorry. I was going to say there was just one time, just one time when I was younger, when I had this feeling that I was floating down the stairs.

[00:25:59] I spoke to someone else about this on a podcast that I was, I felt like as if I was floating down the stairs, you know, like looking down with my body flat, literally floating down the stairs. And when I woke up in the morning, I woke up on the sofa. This is when I was young, you know, like nine or ten. I woke up on the sofa.

[00:26:21] Now, that's the only time when I reckon I've had some kind of sleep thing, you know, where I was either sleepwalking, which felt like I was flying, or something happened. I don't think, I don't think I flew down the stairs, but there is that one percent that you never know. But I woke up on the sofa in the morning. Yeah.

[00:26:49] But I mean, I've never had anything like that in my life, you know. I mean, I mean, I used to sleepwalk, but to be honest, all I ever did was I used to stand at the top of the stairs and have a piss down the stairs. I never used to fly down them. Well, that was all I ever did. It's like getting home from the pub. Yeah, exactly. No, that's the only time that happened.

[00:27:14] And the only other thing that ever used to happen to me, and it wasn't a paralysis, I can't say it now, paralysis thing. It was just, when I woke up in the morning, sometimes I'd have this weird delay, and this had nothing to do with this really. I'd just wake up, my eyes would open, and then like 10 seconds later, my ears would turn on. I used to have this weird delay. It's like I was waiting for the sound to turn on. But that's nothing to do with, you know, ghosts and shit.

[00:27:43] It's just me talking shit. But sleep paralysis, because I'd like to know what you think of this one that I've got, to be honest. So, because I've told this before on other podcasts. I've never run into much detail into it on here. But, so when I was like, because sleep paralysis, I think, is mental, because a lot of people associate it to the paranormal and stuff, but then it's also literally a diagnosed thing on the NHS.

[00:28:12] So, it's like, which is it? You know what I mean? Or is it somehow both? So, apparently one of the things that can cause it is like new environments. So, when I first experienced it, it was when I first got my own bedroom, and I used to always have to sleep with the door open because I was scared of the dark. Still am, don't like the dark. And I, well, woke up, and my bed, well, it wasn't a bedroom, it was a cupboard. It wasn't there. Yeah.

[00:28:42] So, my bed was pointing straight towards the door, so the end of the bed, the doorway was basically at the end of my bed. I woke up, and there was literally like a black hooded figure stood in the doorway. Holy shit. Yeah. I couldn't move. Well, what felt for like a minute, it was probably about 10 seconds. But then, yeah, when I finally came to, I just, I didn't move for the rest of the night. I just literally laid there just like staring at the doorway saying like, don't come back, don't come back. Yeah.

[00:29:11] But then the weird thing now is that it still happens. It still sort of happens, but differently. So, again, when I first moved into my house, it happened again. But it wasn't the same. So, because, because ever since then as well, I always have to sleep. The bedroom door has to be closed now. It has to be closed. I can't do it with it open, not ever again. But, so when it happened, when I first moved into my house now, it was, it was really weird. So, it was like, like we said, it was like, it wasn't any sort of figure.

[00:29:41] It was almost just like a, some sort of mass. Like a big, you know, it's just a shape next to us. But it was like, it wasn't in front or anything. It was like next to us. And it was almost like a settling feeling. It was really weird. Like I didn't feel like, oh shit, what the fucking hell is this? I felt at ease. It was really weird. So, in my head, I like to tell myself that it's my granddad. Well, yeah. I mean, this is just, this is just it, isn't it?

[00:30:09] It's like, like you're saying, you know, it's, it's a prescribed thing. You know, I mean, it's, doctors take it seriously, you know. So, but the other side of that is like, when you're in that state, are you able to attract something else that you couldn't do in a normal state? Does that make sense? You know what I mean? Maybe you can, I don't know.

[00:30:37] This is why this sort of, this crosses over with the paranormal, because maybe it opens part of your mind or something that you are able to see things or, or, um, I don't know, just be, uh, I don't know. I don't know even how to explain it, to be honest. But it's like, that's why it must be connected to paranormal. It must be. Because like, like you said, you know, you saw a dark figure in that state.

[00:31:05] You were in that, you know, paralysis state. So, I don't know. I think, I think there's definitely something to it because again, again, some people have very similar experiences and then some people have complete opposite. And it's just, I don't know. There's too much familiarity with it for it not to be connected to something like that. And especially because it's, it's always like a negative thing that people see. It's never, it's never, it's never something good.

[00:31:34] I mean, I mean, I know like what I've just said. Never Ronald McDonald. Yeah, exactly. Never a clown. That'd be worse for me. That'd be worse. I don't do clowns. It would. If you saw a clown stood in your doorway. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be awful. I'd be gone. I don't think, to be fair, anything nice is probably terrifying as well. I mean, if you saw Postman Pat stood there, you'd shit yourself, wouldn't you? In the middle of the night. So, you know, I mean, I don't think there's anything that's going to look good.

[00:32:03] But yeah, I know what you're saying. You always sort of put the negative spin on it. Yeah. But then again, you said about the nice, well, not the nice, but the easy feeling you got off another one. Like it felt like it made you feel more at peace with yourself. Do you know what I mean? So maybe, you know, maybe that is some sort of relation just looking over here, you know? Yeah.

[00:32:28] I mean, I'd rather just be able to get up like, but I mean, if that's the only way they can show that they're there, then fine. But I'd rather be able to move, if I'm honest. Yeah. Yeah. I know. But this is the magic of it all, isn't it? And that's why we're talking about it because... Exactly. I don't know. I get so many stories about this kind of thing. And similar to what you're saying, you know, they see a figure or they dream a figure. They dream something.

[00:32:58] And then that dream crosses over into real life. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like they hear things in the house or they see something out the corner of their eye, but when they're asleep, they see it. So I don't know. It all seems to connect in some way or another. Well, there's a scary... Well, I think it's a scary thought. So again, I don't know how true this is, but I've seen it.

[00:33:24] I've read it a few times in a few different places that apparently, like in a dream, you can't make up a face. You can't, did you say? Yeah, yeah, you can't. So if you see a face in your dream, I mean, essentially it could be somebody that you've walked past in the street, but it's somebody that you have seen. Right. So if you're seeing like demons and shit in your sleep, then that means you're going to places, yeah. Yeah, well, I don't know.

[00:33:53] I've never seen a demon in my sleep, but I think I've seen faces. I mean, you think you do, don't you? You wake up and you think, I definitely saw things. But I have this thing, I'm not sure if everyone else does. I assume they do. When you wake up and you try and remember your dream, it just starts deleting. It just literally erases. I used to have a little pen and paper by my bed.

[00:34:19] And the second I'd wake up, I'd start writing and then I'd just slowly just stop writing. It's gone. Yeah. In a way, it's just like, it's like you're not allowed to keep that memory. It's crazy and it's really fucking annoying as well. Yeah. But you're allowed to remember your nightmares. So, you know, that's okay. You can keep them. They don't go anywhere. Yeah. No. Can't keep the nice ones. Exactly. So we sort of touched on aliens and UFOs there.

[00:34:48] So do you have any, like, where do you stand with aliens and UFOs and stuff? Do you believe in that? I think, I think that there is life out there. I mean, you'd be really stupid to think there wasn't. I mean, we're here. We're here right now. This is living proof that there is life in the universe, right? So to think there's no one else, you've got to be bloody stupid.

[00:35:15] But whether we've seen them on planet Earth is a different story. I believe that they probably have visited Earth and I do believe in it. But like I was saying, amongst all of the crap out there, you know, to spot a real one, you know, there could be a real naff looking one,

[00:35:38] for example, on YouTube that looks like someone's thrown a hubcap off a car wheel up in the air. And we're like, that is so shit. And that could be the real one. Do you know what I mean? It's got to the point where it's so, what's the word? I have no idea what the word is. But it's just, there's so much on the internet. And it's hard to sort of siphon out all the good ones. But I believe in it.

[00:36:05] I had this reoccurring thought that when I was younger, I don't know if I've made it up or not. You know, it's gone so long. I think I might have dreamt it. But I remember like laying, sitting in the back of the car. And you know when you sort of lay your head back and you look out the back window. So some cars used to have the window that came a little bit higher so you could see. I remember doing that, looking up.

[00:36:32] And I always had visions of seeing something, a couple of things amongst the clouds. Now I think, I've made this up in my brain. I'm not sure, but I think I have. And you know, anyway, that's what, that was the only closest thing I ever had because I haven't ever seen something. I've dreamt of seeing it, you know. I've looked through telescopes at night, hope, you know, see something go past.

[00:37:00] And you're like, it's got to be something. And then someone says, oh, it's a satellite, you know, because you get to see them, don't you, passing by. But I believe there's life out there. And I definitely, I believe also that there might be living amongst us, you know. And there might be on our planet. There might be presidents of America. Who knows? But you know, you look at some of these insects as well, like in a weird species,

[00:37:30] like in the sea and stuff like that. He's a fucking alien if I've ever seen one. Do you know what I mean? If you zoomed in to an insect. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But if you zoomed in on this little creepy, crawly face, it's literally like a monster. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, I know that it all came from organisms off of our planet and things like that, slowly growing over years and years, apparently.

[00:37:56] But I reckon meteorites that hit the earth had these things on it. That's why there's all these different species, you know. I don't know. But I do believe that there's something out there and I believe that there are some walking amongst us. Well, a theory that I like, well, I say a theory. Well, yeah, I've seen it other places before. But like, so the theory is that we're not from this planet. Right.

[00:38:26] And that's why, like, so many people are allergic to things like, Christ, people are asthmatic. People are literally allergic to oxygen that we need to breathe. Like, people are allergic to so many foods and stuff. I mean, Christ, like, at the minute, I mean, I've been having a hair fever. It's like, if we're from this planet, why are we allergic to everything? Yeah, that's one way. That's a good thing, that. I haven't heard that. Is it just an interesting thought I always have?

[00:38:55] Yeah, I know. Definitely. I mean, if we had come from another planet, were we put here as a test? Do you know what I mean? Were we another alien's school test? Do you know what I mean? Like, another civilization of any kind. And they've gone like, we've got these little people. Let's put them on that planet and see what happens. You know, let's just write a report and see how they develop over the years.

[00:39:23] Which is centuries and centuries to us. But to them, it's a couple of school lessons, you know. Yeah. It could be something as mental as that. Exactly. Because that's what I mean. Like you said, you don't know how big it is. It's like, like we're saying, if we're talking about aliens living among us and stuff. I mean, you just have to look at men in black. I mean, like I said, there's a full universe on that little ball on the cat's collar. Like, we don't know how big anything is.

[00:39:52] That, that, I often think about that, you know. I mean, that film, put all the Hollywood shit aside. I've always thought that little concept that it's on the cat's necklace or whatever. The universe or the galaxy is inside of that. Yeah. That's quite fascinating. It could be as simple as that. You know, we could be, we could be inside something which is, you know, not, it's smaller than a grain of sand.

[00:40:23] Yep. We could be, we could be all the inside of that, inside something else's shoe, you know, on earth, on another planet. God knows. But it blows my mind. I mean, I can't even get my head around it to think, to talk about it most of the time because it's, it's too deep in it. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[00:40:45] But that, that, that, that's why, that's why aliens and UFOs and stuff always interests me because you'd like to think with that one day we might know. I think, I think with the paranormal and stuff, sadly, sadly, I don't think we're ever going to actually know. You know, we all will one day, the day when we die, that's, that's when we'll know, but we're never going to be able to tell anybody. We're never going to have definitive proof on it.

[00:41:11] But I think like with aliens and stuff one day, I believe, I think there will be definitely. Well, there's talk, there's talk, isn't there? Like that Trump is going to, you know, reveal things, you know, like, you know, they have all these files, don't they? That they always hold back. And he's like apparently saying, I'm going to tell everyone the truth. But, you know, with him, you know, what is the truth half the time? Do you know what I mean? So, exactly.

[00:41:38] But I'm fascinated to listen, I'm fascinated to hear, I'll sometimes watch these pilots, you know, who are part of the government in America. And they don't work there anymore. But they, you know, they tell these stories and you think, they sound convincing, they sound real, you know, because these are military people, you know. But I don't know.

[00:42:03] Sometimes I just hear, there's a lot, there's a lot of shit out there at the end of the day. Like I keep saying. But you kind of get a feeling off some people, don't you? You know, who sounds convincing. Oh yeah, 100%. 100%. So, shall we talk a little bit about your podcast then, Andy? So, the Terror Seller. So, well, when did you start?

[00:42:31] What was the motivation behind you starting it? You know, did you, had you wanted to do it for a while? Yeah. Okay. Well, I had wanted to do it for a long time. Um, I was a bit late to the podcast world. A bit late listening to it. Listening to shows. And a bit late obviously making one. But I'd always wanted to sort of have some sort of platform to, uh, talk about things I like.

[00:43:00] Or, you know, whether that be music or ghosts and shit like that. But I used to have a radio show on this thing called Boogaloo Radio in London. And I'd do it weekly. Yeah, once a week. And I'd play music and talk, you know, just chat a bit like you do on the podcast. But sometimes I would randomly sort of, sort of say some ghost stories and stuff. And I always used to say, oh, I must do more of this one day.

[00:43:29] And then I didn't realize I'd kind of been slowly putting it, putting it out there. Do you know what I mean? And then one day, um, I was listening to podcasts such as yourself and real life ghost stories and things like that. And I was like, I can do this. I think I could do this because I'm used to a microphone. I've been singing in one most of my life. And, um, it's not like I'm complete alien to all of this stuff.

[00:43:58] So I just made an episode and, um, stuck it online basically. And that was in October, 2024. So it's not that I'm quite new to it all. And, um, I put a few episodes up before I kind of told anyone about it. Cause I didn't want everyone to go rushing over. And there's one episode. It's hard, isn't it? Getting started. But, um, I did that anyway. And then I was getting all this amazing feedback. People going, I really like it.

[00:44:27] I like, I like your style, you know, cause I'm only reading stories out, but I sort of do it in my, I kind of put it through my filter, if you know what I mean? And then a bit of a entertaining side. And, um, yeah, they were just saying, I really dig it. And, um, we want to hear more. And then before you know it, I've just kept going every week. I put a new, I usually do two stories an episode.

[00:44:54] It started off with one, but my, the thing I found the hardest is that, um, stories are just never long enough. And I, to put an episode up, which is only 10 minutes, I was just like, you know, and then there's adverts. It's just going to piss people off. So at least if I can get about, it's only usually around half an hour, an episode, but two, two stories is seems to be going down well. Yeah.

[00:45:24] Now, I mean, I mean, well, since, uh, well, since, since we followed each other on Instagram, I mean, I've been listening, well, like I've messaged you before, I said, I've been, I've been listening to a seven in one day one. So I'm, um, I'm getting close to being caught up to it, but, uh, without sounding like I'm blowing smoke up your ass here, like, I think it is the, the style that you do it in that's helped you be so successful with it because I listened to another podcast that is very similar, which is, again, is a similar sort of style.

[00:45:54] And I think that's why it works. Like you've got a very laid back approach with it, if you know what I mean, but you've also got a really good voice for storytelling. Yeah. I mean, it's see, I've naturally, I don't think I have got a good voice, but apparently people say I sound relaxed that one of the first things I ever thought when I started is don't pretend to be someone else. Do you know what I mean? Because you will always be found out, just be myself and speak candidly.

[00:46:22] I'll read the stories as good as I can, but in general, in between the stories, I just say hello and all that, like a normal person, you know, and after listening to lots of other things and stuff, I just thought I, I'm not getting a nice feeling off of it. Not saying their shows are bad. I'm just not getting a personal feeling. So I thought, try and be as personal as I can. And then I thought, what do, I'll put my spin on it. And I didn't plan this. It just happened.

[00:46:52] I thought, I'm going to write my own theme tune. So I wrote the little theme tune because I wanted my own Twilight Zone vibe or Tales of the Unexpected, you know. I kind of want everyone who goes on it, they get that same feeling like, here we go, the show's starting. So it's not rocket science, it's just my slant on podcast world, you know. I mean, that's good. And like you say, if you can make music, then you might as well make your own theme tunes.

[00:47:21] I mean, I wish we could. It was a bit of an excuse to do it. I have a friend who made ours, so, but yeah. Yeah, but it doesn't matter who does it. Oh no, exactly. I mean, lots of podcasts have an intro anyway, don't they? They have an intro and they have music. But I just thought, I want a staple theme tune. Like, so if you heard it one day, maybe in a hundred years, someone hears it and goes, oh, that's, you know, definitely ain't going to be in my lifetime.

[00:47:50] Lucky if anyone hears it. Well, I know what you mean there about talking about how you're saying you don't think you have a good voice for telling stories and stuff. And how, you know, just be yourself sort of thing. I learned that the other day when I was recording with two girls from Canada who told me that the way I pronounced the name of their podcast sounded sophisticated.

[00:48:16] Now, nobody from where I live has ever been told that our accent is sophisticated. No, I know what you're saying. It's like, it's, it's, I sometimes get messages, you know, from American people, basically the old American woman, and, you know, going, I could listen to your accent all day. And I'm like, thank you. I appreciate that.

[00:48:42] But like you said, round here, they don't think, they think my voice is horrible. So, you know, so more Americans, please. Exactly. How did you come up with the name anyway? That was what intrigued me because I mean, I was, my hours was easy because I needed a room to record in and I was like, right, it's easier to build a shed than build an extra part

[00:49:11] on the house. So. No, that's right. You're not in a cellar. No, I mean, I did think about it briefly. I've got this thing about names, like whether I'm naming a band, do you know what I mean? Or something that I've always had this feeling that if you think about something too much, it gets ruined and you kind of can never, never pick something. Do you know what I mean?

[00:49:37] So lucky enough, I started coming up with this feeling that it had to be like the twilight zone. Yeah. The outer limits. And then I was like, I had like the word terror and then I thought, how could I, it's got to kind of feel like it rolls off the tongue a bit. Do you know what I mean? And I just couldn't think of that second word. And then I can't remember what I was doing.

[00:50:03] I just came across the word cellar and then I thought, yeah, nice, dark, damp cellar with, you know, a horrible cellar. It's perfect. The terror cellar. Yeah. And I used to have a dark room when I was younger and in the bottom of the house that was haunted. In the cellar. Do you know what I mean? I used to have a little, all my music gear in there as well. So it's, I'm not completely, you know, removed from that world. I just haven't got a cellar anymore.

[00:50:34] Or a basement for those of you across the big pond. Well, that's a big debate, isn't it? What's the difference between a basement and a cellar? That's what I always say. Is it the same thing? Or is it, I mean, American basements or Australians or wherever, they always tend to be massive, don't they? Like actual massive rooms. Over here, they're usually a small, damp thing, you know, that we stick rubbish in. Yeah.

[00:51:01] But then, because that was what, that was the argument I had with the two Canadian girls I was speaking to. They were like, oh, the cellar's smaller. And I was like, yes, but you can get some fucking big wine cellars. True. So when does a wine cellar become a wine basement? Exactly. I think, I mean, from my, my angle on it, I think they just call it basement and we call it cellar. Do you know what I mean? But a basement tends to be bigger, to be fair, because their houses are bigger.

[00:51:26] You know, us English lot, our houses, our average houses are pretty small, even if we think they're big. And then when you see an American house, they're like, like mansions and that they're just normal. Yeah, exactly. Normal house to them. Yeah. It's funny because I've been thinking a lot about podcast names recently. And that was why I asked, because there's a few that I've spoke to recently who like their podcast name because they can just like abbreviate its initials.

[00:51:56] And so I'm like, we can't do that because if I start going around saying that our podcast is the SS, then that's going to cause problems. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I've always, I've sometimes thought, shall I break mine down? And then I thought it just sounds crap. It's got to just be the full name all the time because, you know, the TC, what was it? T, yeah. Yeah, but then you just think of Tom Cruise then or Top Cat.

[00:52:25] Yeah, exactly. And not just that, you've got to have, to break it down just to a few letters. Your show has got to be like the most fucking popular thing on earth. So people can look at them letters and figure it out. Otherwise, you just got like a cleaning business. Do you know what I mean? Like on the side of a van, you know, just looks shit. Yeah.

[00:52:53] Well, I've completely messed up because at the start of the episodes, I was supposed to ask you, Randy, what you're going to leave in the shed with us. Oh, yeah. I wonder where that was. Normally, that's where we start things. I thought I'd got away with it. No, we'll finish on it instead then. So what are you going to leave in the shed with us? We've had a variety of things from pieces of coal to butt plugs to, yeah, all sorts. Well, I'll leave my butt plugs at home for me.

[00:53:22] But I think I will leave. I was thinking about this. I think I will leave my dream guitar, right? Which is a 1960s Gibson SG in Cherry Red. It's a classic guitar. Classic guitar. For example, George Harrison used one in the Beatles sort of revolver period, you know, like paperback writer and all that. And obviously, in the rock world, you've got Angus Young and all that.

[00:53:52] But it's just like my dream guitar. Paul Weller used to use one a lot. And when I was in his band, I had the pleasure of sometimes having a little go on it. And it's just amazing. So I will leave my dream guitar with you. And yeah, because I ain't got one. Paul Weller Yeah, well, we'll take that. We'll take that. Definitely. 100%. I was a big music fan myself, so I'll definitely take that. Can't play guitar. I never had the fingers for it. But yeah, I always wanted to. It's never too late. It's never too late.

[00:54:21] It is my fingers don't work. Don't they? No. Just listen. I learned how to play drums. I did learn how to play drums when I was at school. All right. Well, there you go. I'm stuck getting stuff. Right, Andy, before we finish, do you want to let our listeners know where they can find you, find your podcast, find your music, find your art? Okay. Well, forget my art. Don't worry about that. It's around. Okay. But you can find me on Instagram. It's just Andy J Crofts.

[00:54:51] Okay. That's my personal page. And there's also a Terracelor podcast Instagram page. But you can hear the Terracelor podcast on all streaming platforms. Just search it up. And, yeah, I think we're on 48 episodes at the moment, which doesn't sound a lot, but it's bloody hard work to keep them going. But, yeah. So, yeah, I'm on the internet. And you can go to andycrofts.com if you want to go to my website.

[00:55:21] And, you know, there is some art on there if you do care about that sort of stuff. But, yeah, my music is on the internet. I'm in a band called The Moons. Even though we've been a bit quiet, we've got four albums out. And, yeah, you can find all of that on the internet, on the streaming platforms. So, there you go. Nice. Nice. Well, Andy, it's been an absolute pleasure having you in the shed with us tonight. So, thank you for coming on the podcast. My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

[00:55:50] No problem. I'll hopefully have you on mine when I eventually start having guests in the future. So, I'll have you on mine. Definitely. Definitely. Right then, guys. So, that's it for today. So, as always, go and follow the Instagram page at the Spooky Shed Podcast. Link in the bio there for Patreon page, merch stores, all that sort of stuff. All the other social media pages that we don't use. But, if you want to follow them anyway, why the hell not? And we shall speak to you next time. Billy might be here. Probably won't be. But you never know.

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