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[00:02:20] I'm drinking a coconut.

[00:02:41] She's actually drinking a coconut.

[00:02:43] She's got a straw in a coconut and she's drinking it.

[00:02:46] Hello, I am Elsie Lodes.

[00:02:48] I am Megan Mumby.

[00:02:49] I am Laura Connolly.

[00:02:50] Hello!

[00:02:51] Hello!

[00:02:52] Hello!

[00:02:53] Hello!

[00:02:54] Hello!

[00:02:55] Hello!

[00:02:56] Hello!

[00:02:57] I feel like we never full name ourselves.

[00:03:00] I feel like we never introduce ourselves.

[00:03:02] We just sort of launch into it.

[00:03:04] Yeah and we've been trying, well you guys have been trying to figure out what's wrong with the headphones

[00:03:08] for so long that Laura's not even opened a drink yet.

[00:03:10] She's now, she's now trying to get into a coconut.

[00:03:13] Yeah this is gonna be a really weird one to record because my headphones aren't working.

[00:03:19] Like everything's recording properly.

[00:03:21] I just, I'm not hearing it as it's recording so I know it's gonna sound fine but I'm really unnerved.

[00:03:28] I'm also like in a queue for Inside Number 9 tickets so I'm freaked out.

[00:03:34] So halfway through this episode it's possible that I will just run out and buy tickets but we don't know yet.

[00:03:43] That's okay.

[00:03:44] Keep your phone open next to you so you can see where you are in the queue.

[00:03:47] Yes.

[00:03:48] Does anyone know what the percentage means in those queues?

[00:03:52] Because I'm apparently on like 30 something percent on the Inside Number 9 tickets queue.

[00:03:57] Is that like how much you've done or how much you've got left to go?

[00:04:00] But how does it know?

[00:04:02] I have no idea.

[00:04:03] It's almost certainly meaningless and just meant to keep you somewhat in the loop.

[00:04:08] Yeah it's probably just so you don't get, like people don't like looking at a blank screen not knowing.

[00:04:14] They're like a loading bar don't they?

[00:04:16] Loading bars don't mean anything genuinely.

[00:04:18] But my dumb animal brain thinks it does.

[00:04:21] Well yeah that's why they exist because you've got an animal brain.

[00:04:25] Yeah.

[00:04:26] Oh sorry before we talk about what we're supposed to be talking about.

[00:04:30] Animal brain.

[00:04:31] I want to tell a story.

[00:04:35] So one day Meg told me that the random, the Shuffles, Spotify Shuffle is not random.

[00:04:44] No Shuffle. Musical Shuffle.

[00:04:46] Yeah yeah none of them are.

[00:04:48] And well you explained the concept.

[00:04:50] Well I learnt this in physics when I was like 15 when my teacher said that the algorithm isn't actually random because if it was totally random humans would be like well that's not random.

[00:05:03] We'd find a pattern.

[00:05:05] So if it was random you would be able to, you know, you'd see songs come up twice in a row.

[00:05:11] Or the same album too many times close together kind of thing.

[00:05:14] But that won't ever happen because it's designed to appear more random to us because what we want is like by shuffle we don't mean random.

[00:05:23] We mean we definitely don't want the same song twice in a row.

[00:05:27] So I was explaining this concept to my family, to my mum and my dad and my brother and my sister and we got into a blazing row.

[00:05:38] It was one of the biggest arguments that I could, because they weren't understanding this concept and they were disagreeing with me.

[00:05:47] And I was furious and they kept saying let's just let it go and I kept being like no!

[00:05:53] No!

[00:05:55] What don't you understand about simulated randomness?

[00:05:57] It was never resolved but it made me so mad.

[00:06:01] Now it is.

[00:06:02] Okay well I'm talking directly to your family now.

[00:06:05] If it was truly random patterns would appear that we would interpret as not being random because we have a different concept of what that means.

[00:06:15] It doesn't matter Meg you can explain that all you want to them.

[00:06:18] They're gonna disagree with you.

[00:06:19] Anyway, it's because what you want from your Spotify shuffle feature isn't randomness.

[00:06:25] You want a level of variation and chaos which is not representative of pure random.

[00:06:31] There you go.

[00:06:32] There we go!

[00:06:33] They're not gonna like me for saying this.

[00:06:36] Well, you know they can be wrong.

[00:06:39] You can live in the knowledge that you're right.

[00:06:42] They're actually not gonna like me for saying this.

[00:06:44] I mean I was being annoying that evening but I was right.

[00:06:47] But now that I've got that out of my system.

[00:06:51] So how are we all feeling?

[00:06:52] Because I'm a little stressed because I'm in a ticket queue and I brought up this memory of this argument I had with my family

[00:06:59] and my technology isn't working.

[00:07:02] But I'm hoping this will cheer me up.

[00:07:03] How are we all feeling?

[00:07:04] Well Laura's stabbing a chopstick into a coconut.

[00:07:08] She is.

[00:07:09] She's finally breached the coconut.

[00:07:12] I once had a similar argument with Sean where he just we got into an argument about remaster versus remake

[00:07:17] and he was not listening to me.

[00:07:19] Well it's completely different things.

[00:07:20] Completely different things.

[00:07:21] Although the thing is when you're talking in the realm of video games they're slightly different

[00:07:25] and I was losing my mind with him.

[00:07:27] I actually shouted at the top of my lungs.

[00:07:29] So angry.

[00:07:31] Is that how you're feeling though?

[00:07:33] I've had a good day.

[00:07:34] It's lovely weather.

[00:07:35] It is lovely.

[00:07:36] Isn't it amazing how family can mind you?

[00:07:40] My mum and dad love you came to visit last weekend and arrived on Friday.

[00:07:49] And I don't finish work until half past five and at four o'clock my dad messaged to say

[00:07:54] we're on our way.

[00:07:56] I was like what the fuck do you mean?

[00:07:58] I'm not.

[00:07:59] I'm just at work and I was having the most stressful day of my life.

[00:08:04] And then my mum and dad rock over and have to make them coffee and stuff.

[00:08:07] It's not my family that will mind me up.

[00:08:10] It's people being wrong.

[00:08:12] Imagine I'm wrong.

[00:08:16] It's not going to wind you off as much of your brother's wrong.

[00:08:19] No Laura.

[00:08:20] It's all stupid people.

[00:08:22] Arthur, you're hearing that.

[00:08:24] My family aren't stupid.

[00:08:26] They have their moments though.

[00:08:27] Your boobs are looking nice.

[00:08:28] Oh thanks.

[00:08:30] I have also said that to you today to be fair.

[00:08:33] I know.

[00:08:34] I'm feeling really good.

[00:08:35] It's because I'm wearing a top that's maybe a little bit too small for me.

[00:08:38] Yes, your boobs always look good.

[00:08:40] Lovely boobs.

[00:08:41] Thank you.

[00:08:42] Very big.

[00:08:43] You got wamps.

[00:08:45] Full wamp.

[00:08:46] Right.

[00:08:47] I wonder how much of this is actually going to make you.

[00:08:49] A little bit.

[00:08:50] Oh, the wamp's is going in.

[00:08:52] What are we talking about today?

[00:08:55] Chuckle Megan.

[00:08:56] Chuckle, chuckle Megan.

[00:08:57] Chuckle, chuckle Megan.

[00:08:59] Ch-Ch-Chuckle vision.

[00:09:01] Ch-Ch-Chuckle vision.

[00:09:03] Ch-Ch-Chuckle vision.

[00:09:05] Ch-Ch-Chuckle vision.

[00:09:16] Ch-Ch-Chuckle vision.

[00:09:20] Where should we start?

[00:09:21] I mean I think it's worth...

[00:09:23] At the top of the episode, we are aware of how beloved this is.

[00:09:30] Sorry.

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:32] It's not even that good.

[00:09:33] I'm just going to put it...

[00:09:34] Laura's just having a nightmare with this Coke and I'm telling you.

[00:09:37] So yeah, we're aware of how beloved this is.

[00:09:41] It's been highly requested.

[00:09:44] So we thought, you know, it was time to tackle one of the biggies.

[00:09:49] However, on rewatching, none of us were hugely into it.

[00:09:57] I voted the best CBBC show ever in 2019.

[00:10:01] Really?

[00:10:02] Was that Radio Times or I don't know what it was?

[00:10:03] I saw the article on The Guardian.

[00:10:05] I'm not sure who did the polling.

[00:10:08] Right.

[00:10:09] Yeah, so I don't know if this is just one that doesn't translate as well when you're an adult.

[00:10:15] I imagine if you're a kid and like, because I think...

[00:10:18] I made a few reels out of some clips and there were bits that I really remembered, like quite vividly remembered watching.

[00:10:25] The customer is always right, see?

[00:10:26] The customer is always right.

[00:10:28] Where he wants nine jelly beans, no green ones.

[00:10:32] I remembered that so vividly.

[00:10:34] One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

[00:10:42] No green ones.

[00:10:44] There you go, sir. Nine jelly beans.

[00:10:46] Anything else?

[00:10:47] Yes, I'd like some pineapple.

[00:10:49] Pineapple.

[00:10:52] Chunks or rings?

[00:10:53] Steak and kidney and golden delicious.

[00:10:55] Oh, a pie and an apple.

[00:10:58] Yes, that's what I said, didn't I?

[00:11:01] Well, no, actually, sir, you didn't say that. You said...

[00:11:03] The customer is always right.

[00:11:05] Yes, anything else you would like, sir?

[00:11:08] Yes, I'd like a pair of shoes, size nine, white moccasins, just like yours.

[00:11:13] This is not a shoe shop.

[00:11:14] Your sign says we sell everything.

[00:11:16] Yes, but you don't take it literally, do you?

[00:11:18] That's false advertising. I could have you prosecuted.

[00:11:21] Now, where are my shoes?

[00:11:23] Yeah. So I must have enjoyed it as a child, but as an adult, I found quite a lot of it falling quite flat on me.

[00:11:31] But that might just be because I'm a grown-up now.

[00:11:34] I mean, it's been said of the Chuckle Brothers that if you're under eight, it's just the funniest thing.

[00:11:41] And I understand that. I do. I think I did find it quite funny.

[00:11:45] There's a specific joke that I remember because at the time, I thought it was hilarious.

[00:11:52] And now I watch it and it's like, yeah, it's a well-constructed joke.

[00:11:56] It's like it's wordplay is what it is.

[00:11:59] A lot of it is just misunderstanding words.

[00:12:02] And it's clever in a wordy sense, but it's not like belly laugh funny.

[00:12:10] But one joke that I remember was...

[00:12:13] To me?

[00:12:14] Yeah. One of them is bad at golf and the other one's giving him tips.

[00:12:19] And he says, I think you're standing too close to the ball after you've hit it, which I thought was really funny.

[00:12:25] And that's what a lot of the jokes are. But they're not...

[00:12:29] I wouldn't laugh at that now. It wouldn't even get a chuckle from me if you were.

[00:12:33] Because one of the things we identified was that a lot of the jokes, we were like, who actually is the target audience for this?

[00:12:39] Because a lot of the jokes are not jokes.

[00:12:42] They're like, if you were of a certain age, things that you might just believe and so they're just...

[00:12:49] It's like just misinformation.

[00:12:51] Well, that's specific to series one and two.

[00:12:54] Yeah. Well, no, because it does carry on through it.

[00:12:58] Like where Paul Chuckle has...

[00:13:01] Well, he has a persona, doesn't he?

[00:13:03] Of being like, he knows more than Barry, but he actually knows nothing.

[00:13:08] So if you...

[00:13:09] You know nothing, Paul.

[00:13:11] If you look at the mapping of the show, like the model of the show,

[00:13:17] and if Barry Chuckle is the stupid one who's having things explained to them,

[00:13:21] if you were young enough, you might believe that everything Paul Chuckle is saying to Barry Chuckle is actually the right thing.

[00:13:28] Does that make sense?

[00:13:29] Yeah, because Paul Chuckle's the setup and Barry Chuckle is the punchline.

[00:13:33] Yeah, and you might not get that as a kid.

[00:13:36] If you were young enough.

[00:13:37] Hey, Paul. It's windy today.

[00:13:39] No, it's not. It's Saturday.

[00:13:41] Now don't forget we've got to make a good impression.

[00:13:44] Oh, I'm good at impressions? What's this?

[00:13:47] A swallow.

[00:13:48] Not that kind of impression. This is a very exclusive hotel. It's four star.

[00:13:52] Leaded or unleaded?

[00:13:54] Leaded or unleaded what?

[00:13:55] Leaded or unleaded four star petrol.

[00:13:57] Because I'm a green, you know.

[00:13:58] That explains it. I thought it was a talking lettuce. Come on, get in.

[00:14:02] I hope this isn't too disparaging of a thought, but I had a thought about the vibe, a little bit of the pitch of the show.

[00:14:09] Is that they wanted to do an adult one, but their jokes were too childish for adults,

[00:14:16] so they ended up doing children's ones, but then their jokes are still quite not hitting kids.

[00:14:22] I think they are though because...

[00:14:23] Oh no, that's true. I mean, yeah, young kids.

[00:14:25] It was so, so popular. It went for so many years and people remember it really fondly, so it must have done...

[00:14:30] I retract my statement.

[00:14:31] But I think, I mean, we'll get into the details a little bit later, I think, because I do have a lot of positive things to say about it.

[00:14:39] Yeah, me too.

[00:14:40] But shall we start with the biography of the two? Laura has got this section covered for us.

[00:14:47] I'm going to say, first and foremost, when I...

[00:14:49] So one of the things when you Google Chuckle Brothers, one of the related searches is Chuckle Brothers scandal,

[00:14:54] and the first thing that came up had like really salacious shit in it, but is very clear from almost the beginning,

[00:15:03] complete and utter horse shit.

[00:15:05] That's nice to hear.

[00:15:07] It says that they were born in 1908 and 1912 respectively.

[00:15:10] What?

[00:15:11] No, they weren't.

[00:15:13] Forties, they were born in the forties.

[00:15:14] Yeah, yeah, and I was like, okay, because I'd read the first bit and then I was like...

[00:15:18] And then I read that and I was like, oh, this is all entirely made up.

[00:15:21] So they seem to have quite sad lives, especially Paul.

[00:15:26] Especially Paul Patton. Is that their actual last name?

[00:15:29] Elliot.

[00:15:30] Elliot, sorry.

[00:15:31] Yes, they're older two brothers, the Patton Brothers.

[00:15:33] They are also a double act, Jimmy and Brian Patton.

[00:15:37] One of them, don't know which one, I actually couldn't find it out, is the grandfather of the two from Gogglebox, Sophie and...

[00:15:50] Can't remember his name, but I know the one that's for you.

[00:15:52] That's terrible that we can't remember his name.

[00:15:54] The two from the siblings from Gogglebox always have the really cool mugs.

[00:15:58] Yeah, they are the grandchildren of one of the Patton Brothers.

[00:16:03] That's really cool actually.

[00:16:04] I know, I know. You can kind of see it a little bit, I think.

[00:16:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah you can.

[00:16:09] Why is it so shredded?

[00:16:10] You look like a comedy double.

[00:16:12] You know, Kaper and the family.

[00:16:14] And Jimmy Patton was the no-slacking guy from Chuckle Brothers. He appeared in Chuckle Brothers a lot.

[00:16:22] Yeah, he did.

[00:16:23] Here are your uniforms. Now get to work. We've got a very important concert tonight and I want to make sure that everything is perfect.

[00:16:32] Yes sir, certainly sir. Don't you worry sir. You can trust us sir. We'll do it for you sir.

[00:16:36] And remember, no slacking.

[00:16:39] Yes sir, certainly sir.

[00:16:41] What did I say?

[00:16:43] No slacking.

[00:16:45] So he has died, he died I think within the same year or maybe just a year after Barry.

[00:16:53] Yeah, so yeah they grew up, they're northern, they're from west Yorkshire.

[00:17:00] Rotherham.

[00:17:01] They're from Rotherham.

[00:17:02] Rotherham, yeah.

[00:17:03] So they would, I think you guys have mentioned this place, that's where I'm bringing it up.

[00:17:07] They would go on day trips to Cleethorpes.

[00:17:09] Yeah, Cleggay.

[00:17:10] Cleeclops.

[00:17:11] So yeah, you guys have been to Cleethorpes.

[00:17:14] Many times.

[00:17:15] No I've never been to Cleethorpes.

[00:17:16] Elsie, you can see Cleethorpes, is it Grimmsdale Cleethorpes you can see from your side of the river.

[00:17:25] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:26] So for context, I know we talk about this a lot but me and Elsie grew up on different sides of the Humber and Cleggay's on my side of the Humber.

[00:17:36] This is where we used to go on boxing day for walks and stuff and it's like where my parents used to take me to like the slot machines and that kind of thing when I was a kid.

[00:17:48] And I remember going, the last time I went to Cleethorpes I was about 16 and this is such, I can't believe I'm about to admit this.

[00:17:58] It was the year that Pokemon Go came out and me and mum went to Cleethorpes and just played Pokemon Go.

[00:18:04] And I'm sorry to say that it's not held, it's not stood the test of time and obviously I don't want to slack this place off.

[00:18:12] You remember it fondly.

[00:18:14] I remember it fondly.

[00:18:16] I don't enjoy it now.

[00:18:18] Is it good for Pokemon though?

[00:18:20] It was good for Pokemon yeah.

[00:18:21] Yeah so they went there on day trips when they were kids because their dad worked in acting but like not in a nepo way.

[00:18:29] Like he says that he only acted and got enough jobs to get by.

[00:18:32] Well he was a gang show person.

[00:18:35] What does that mean?

[00:18:36] So a gang show is a scouts and guides theatre completely run by scouts, guides and volunteers.

[00:18:44] So that is how their father Gene Patton met Peter Sellers.

[00:18:53] He worked with Peter Sellers when Peter Sellers was in the scouts and they did a show together so that's what he did most of his life.

[00:19:00] So it's a very show busy family but yeah very much in a northern peer show variety kind of non-nepo way.

[00:19:13] So they started as a double act and then they won something called Opportunity Knocks in 1967.

[00:19:18] Which let them go on to do a string of TV and stage shows.

[00:19:24] They won Opportunity Knocks and they also won another one that was ITV.

[00:19:29] So Opportunity Knocks was BBC.

[00:19:31] Is it in your faces?

[00:19:33] I think so.

[00:19:34] New faces, new faces.

[00:19:35] Yeah they won new faces as well.

[00:19:37] Legs are in this.

[00:19:39] I know exactly what you do.

[00:19:42] Little of the big.

[00:19:43] We're turning.

[00:19:48] You went the wrong way there.

[00:19:51] We always go that way.

[00:19:52] Oh you go that way.

[00:19:53] Yes look for him to make it easy we'll go that way.

[00:19:55] Little of the big thank you.

[00:19:57] We're turning.

[00:20:00] You're turning.

[00:20:01] You're turning.

[00:20:02] You're turning.

[00:20:03] You're turning.

[00:20:04] So they worked together 45 weeks of the year.

[00:20:07] Apparently they had a big argument about how many weeks of the year to work together.

[00:20:12] The sad stuff is like the amount of death in their families quite a lot and especially for Paul.

[00:20:17] So obviously Barry died a few years ago.

[00:20:20] About five years ago yeah.

[00:20:21] I think.

[00:20:22] Was it 2018?

[00:20:23] Was it that recently?

[00:20:26] Yeah I know.

[00:20:27] Oh it seems like longer ago.

[00:20:29] So Paul had to deal with the death of both their parents, their sister, another brother, his wife Sue's sister shortly after Barry and Paul's daughter Nicola died at three months old because of a very rare condition.

[00:20:44] Oh.

[00:20:45] They let her be autopsied so it actually helped a lot for medical research which I think is great.

[00:20:51] Oh that's amazing.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:53] There's not a huge, they're quite private so there's not tons about their personal life which I think is completely fair and I'm not going to air it out from the things I found because they want to be private.

[00:21:03] But the scandal, the closest to a scandal was that DJ Dave Lee Travis.

[00:21:09] Yeah we're familiar with Dave Lee Travis.

[00:21:11] Convicted of? Or just accused? I mean they went to court.

[00:21:16] So legally accused, I didn't check if he was convicted and they were at the court case, at the hearing.

[00:21:24] They actually prevented an assault because they came into the room and the woman managed to get away because they came into the room.

[00:21:31] Wait is this the same story?

[00:21:33] Yeah the same guy, Dave Lee Travis.

[00:21:36] Well they prevented a woman from being assaulted by Dave Lee Travis.

[00:21:40] Yes, yeah because they came into the room and she managed to get away.

[00:21:43] I think that's why they were at court.

[00:21:45] And this is documented, this isn't us just saying shit.

[00:21:48] No this isn't us just saying shit.

[00:21:49] Okay. Wow.

[00:21:50] But the thing that came about that was like scandal is that they took a selfie outside of the court smiling.

[00:21:56] Oh no we can't do that.

[00:21:58] And everyone was like, taste? Bad taste?

[00:22:03] To me, to you.

[00:22:05] But also if it's like an ongoing case.

[00:22:07] Yeah like on lunch break they went outside and they were like, cheers guys!

[00:22:13] And put it on Twitter.

[00:22:14] That is so funny though. That might be the funniest thing they've ever done.

[00:22:17] Choco Choco vision.

[00:22:19] No offence it might be the funniest thing.

[00:22:22] Yeah and then so Barry was right wing, he voted to leave the EU, he gave money to the conservative liberal.

[00:22:30] And then he died too early to see any of the benefits of that.

[00:22:34] The benefits.

[00:22:35] The fallout.

[00:22:36] He also gave money to the Lib Dem conservative coalition, he was very supportive of that.

[00:22:41] Which I found out is when they started revoking money from universities.

[00:22:45] Yeah that's why Nick Clegg lost his seat because his seat was Sheffield Hallam which is mostly students.

[00:22:52] Yeah I mean that's kind of it.

[00:22:55] The other stuff is that Barry hated hospitals.

[00:22:58] Paul reckons this is probably a part of why he died earlier than he maybe would have because he kind of refused treatment for a long time.

[00:23:06] And he was taken care of by a, was it Marie Curie nurse?

[00:23:10] Yeah Macmillan.

[00:23:12] No no not Macmillan, the other one's Marie Curie.

[00:23:16] Marie Curie then yeah I don't know.

[00:23:18] Yellow flower.

[00:23:19] Yeah yeah.

[00:23:20] So they're like, I think Paul gives quite a lot to them because they really took care of him in the end.

[00:23:26] But he like didn't want to, he wanted to die on stage.

[00:23:28] Like he didn't want to retire, he wanted to go out working.

[00:23:31] Tommy Cooper style.

[00:23:32] Yeah actually I think there's one article that literally says that.

[00:23:36] So that's he didn't really go for treatment and he kept the cancer a secret from his brother for a really long time.

[00:23:42] And kept saying it was sciatica.

[00:23:44] Yeah I did, I did know that actually.

[00:23:46] Yeah and it's like oh they were both married, one still married.

[00:23:50] Yeah but there's not a huge amount else because yeah they were quite private.

[00:23:54] I mean I know that, I know that they're private but Paul is on Twitter.

[00:23:59] And he's got a fairly wholesome Twitter account and I remember the tabloids were, this is such a long time ago.

[00:24:07] The reason that I have such a terrible terrible memory is because it's full of shit like tabloid spats that the Chuckle Brothers had like 10 years ago about dressing room allocations.

[00:24:19] So it had been fabricated that they'd had a falling out or they weren't quite as close as they used to be.

[00:24:25] Because it had been reported that they have separate dressing rooms.

[00:24:32] And Paul got on Twitter and he was like yeah because we're grown adults.

[00:24:35] I think I saw that like a thing came up that was like a Now magazine edition I think that was talking about that.

[00:24:42] But like it took me to a website where it had every magazine ever and I couldn't find the one that they were talking about.

[00:24:49] I was like great cool, good sourcing Wikipedia. I can't read the original.

[00:25:12] Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, there's a lover who's taking it.

[00:25:16] To me, to you, to me, to you then, to me, to you, to me, to you then, to me, to you, to me, to you then.

[00:25:27] Stop with that me to you, to me, to you, to me, to you, stop. We've both got things to do for me to you, to me, to you bruv.

[00:25:40] Before they did Chucklevision they did a show called Chuckle Hounds.

[00:25:43] Chuckle, chuckle hounds.

[00:25:45] Hounds.

[00:25:46] They just make a dog laugh?

[00:25:48] No they were dressed as two giant dogs.

[00:25:54] Oh.

[00:25:55] It was nonverbal. They were just sort of fucking around.

[00:25:59] They were just sort of miming in dog costumes.

[00:26:03] Their faces weren't even in it.

[00:26:05] That's strange.

[00:26:06] But it does show that they really had range as performers because they were wordsmiths.

[00:26:12] Wordsmiths if you want to be generous. They were clowns.

[00:26:16] Wordsmiths when you've just finished talking about a show where they didn't talk.

[00:26:19] Well yeah because they're...

[00:26:20] Yeah I mean you can say a lot about them but they're very good at physical comedy.

[00:26:23] They're very good at slapstick, yeah.

[00:26:25] And wordplay as well so they've got range. You can see that they come from a theatrical background because...

[00:26:32] So their brother who was on the Chuckle, Chucklevision, the Chuckle, Chucklevision, I'm not sure who he was exactly

[00:26:40] but their older brother in... what year was this? 2017, 2016 married a 26 year old woman.

[00:26:48] He's 85 and he met her on Facebook and they met because she's a big fan of the Chuckle Brothers.

[00:26:55] Wow.

[00:26:56] And in the article written about it they were like we asked the family for comment on how they felt about a 60 year age difference between husband and wife.

[00:27:05] They were like they love each other so we're happy about it.

[00:27:08] Yeah, fair enough.

[00:27:09] Well then I am too.

[00:27:10] Marrying into the Chuckle dynasty.

[00:27:14] You've got to respect the hustle.

[00:27:16] Get that Chuckle fortune.

[00:27:17] The Chuckle fortune.

[00:27:19] Oh my god on their networks.

[00:27:20] Yeah so I think I mentioned this at work and my boss asked me like oh do you know how much they made per episode

[00:27:27] and we couldn't find this out but a source cited Barry Chuckle's net worth at his time of death as being about 20 million

[00:27:35] which again was 2018 so adjust that for inflation it would be more.

[00:27:39] It's 40 million.

[00:27:40] But obviously we know the net worth isn't that accurate but you wouldn't measure my net worth at 20 million

[00:27:48] so he's got to be worth quite a lot.

[00:27:50] He had a long working career.

[00:27:52] They had loads and loads of episodes of this.

[00:27:55] Plus every single panto season they did.

[00:27:59] And to fuck the Chuckle Brothers for panto I mean...

[00:28:03] So you know I think they did alright off of it.

[00:28:06] Net worth is more of a based on assets than it is based on earnings.

[00:28:10] Well you've got to get those assets from somewhere though.

[00:28:12] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:28:13] So you know you've got to buy those assets using something.

[00:28:16] So that would make our net worth zero.

[00:28:19] No actually because our company actually does have value.

[00:28:23] Oh yes we're a company now I forgot about that.

[00:28:25] Yeah we're a company.

[00:28:26] We incorporated.

[00:28:28] We have a net worth.

[00:28:29] Yeah we have a net worth.

[00:28:31] Yeah so loads of people were saying on Instagram that...

[00:28:36] In fact let me find the comment because I think CJ left the first comment about this shoutout CJ.

[00:28:41] So friend of the pod CJ left this comment on one of the reels.

[00:28:47] It's such a shame what happened when CBBC acts the show as the Chuckle Brothers had an unwritten agreement

[00:28:52] to make as many series as they want with the channel.

[00:28:55] And after 2008 CBBC acts the show without letting the brothers know

[00:28:59] saying the show gets just as many viewers on the repeat as they do with new episodes.

[00:29:04] So that yeah I know it was an unwritten agreement but it's kind of...

[00:29:08] Shitty.

[00:29:09] Yeah shit to say oh you can basically do this for as long as you want because we love it.

[00:29:14] Oh no you can't.

[00:29:16] Mr. Carrington Smythe.

[00:29:17] It's pronounced Smith.

[00:29:19] Sorry Mr. Smith Smythe.

[00:29:22] Cannon and Mrs. Pettigrew.

[00:29:24] That's a very nice rap.

[00:29:25] Stoon.

[00:29:26] I won't tell if you don't.

[00:29:27] I don't like this at all Barry.

[00:29:29] It'll be the olives you know what they do to you.

[00:29:31] No not that.

[00:29:32] I mean the guests look a right shady lot.

[00:29:35] It's a good job we locked that ruby away nice and safe or that might have gone missing as well.

[00:29:40] You did lock it in the safe didn't you?

[00:29:42] You didn't say to lock it.

[00:29:44] You just said to put it in the safe.

[00:29:45] Well you better go and do it now then.

[00:29:47] Right.

[00:29:48] So it went from what was it the...

[00:29:51] I know it finished in 2009 but I can't remember when the first series was.

[00:29:55] 1987?

[00:29:56] Yeah I think it was the 80s.

[00:29:58] And also like apparently I was reading about the cancellation YouTube also sort of axed it as well because people were just watching it there so there was even less traction for the BBC.

[00:30:08] Oh really?

[00:30:09] So what did we think of series one and two?

[00:30:13] I enjoyed it more.

[00:30:15] Me too!

[00:30:16] I was shocked.

[00:30:18] I don't think I did enjoy it more to be honest.

[00:30:21] I think I prefer the format of like little sketches, like little parody of like...

[00:30:28] Yeah it was a parody of like educational shows so it was like this week we're talking about farming.

[00:30:34] This week we're talking about magic.

[00:30:51] Yes.

[00:31:12] I wonder if...

[00:31:13] Well I don't know when this unwritten agreement came in from the BBC but I wonder if...

[00:31:18] Well obviously because it wasn't always on CBBC anyway so it must have been the BBC but...

[00:31:22] Boy because CBBC isn't as old as the show.

[00:31:24] Yeah.

[00:31:25] I just I wouldn't...

[00:31:26] Do you think that they got that unwritten agreement and then were like...

[00:31:29] Because do we know why the format changed or was it like oh we now have free reign to make as much of this as we want?

[00:31:34] We don't need to fit as much different kinds of sketches into one show because we can do this for years and years.

[00:31:41] And that's why it became a more long form thing.

[00:31:44] I don't really know.

[00:31:45] Maybe.

[00:31:46] I mean it's cool if you're out there listening.

[00:31:48] I mean he is out there.

[00:31:49] Why did the format change?

[00:31:52] So the thing that we found with the first two series was...

[00:32:00] I mean they are very bizarre.

[00:32:03] Yeah.

[00:32:04] They're weird.

[00:32:05] But kids love weird.

[00:32:06] They do and I do as well.

[00:32:08] So it was set against the kind of backdrop that you never see now which is an entirely blank studio.

[00:32:17] Sort of early Vic and Bob like...

[00:32:20] Yeah.

[00:32:21] I don't know how to describe it.

[00:32:22] A white background with like maybe a desk.

[00:32:25] A little bit very cheap SNL.

[00:32:27] Yeah like kind of what More Come and Wise had like that sort of thing where there's nothing there apart from the bare essentials.

[00:32:33] Yeah yeah.

[00:32:34] And a phone.

[00:32:35] Yeah it's a really...

[00:32:37] I don't know if there's a name for this sort of studio but...

[00:32:40] I mean it kind of looks like a news show right?

[00:32:42] Like Paul Juggles kind of playing a news reader or a sports presenter.

[00:32:46] And Barry Juggles is really shit lucky.

[00:33:06] Oh!

[00:33:07] Er...

[00:33:08] Er...

[00:33:09] Yeah fine.

[00:33:10] We'll be keeping in touch with developments as and when they happen.

[00:33:14] Isn't it going well?

[00:33:15] It is isn't it?

[00:33:16] I've just been handed this piece of paper.

[00:33:19] With nothing on it.

[00:33:21] Sorry.

[00:33:22] Wrong one.

[00:33:24] Yes.

[00:33:25] Oh here's an interesting piece of news.

[00:33:27] It seems that tomorrow sees the launch of a brand new newspaper all about athletics.

[00:33:32] It's called The Daily Thompson.

[00:33:35] And now it's over to our exclusive interview with Nigel Mansell.

[00:33:43] He isn't here yet.

[00:33:44] Hey?

[00:33:45] He's not here yet.

[00:33:46] He's supposed to be coming with his racing car.

[00:33:51] William's Honda.

[00:33:52] That's a problem.

[00:33:53] William wouldn't lend him the Honda.

[00:33:54] Oh dear.

[00:33:55] Yeah it felt like there were only those two in the studio the whole time.

[00:34:00] Like there was no camera over it was just them two running around.

[00:34:02] Yeah and there's no laugh track which is...

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:05] Also weird because for that time and for that format you would expect there to be.

[00:34:10] So it kind of adds to the weirdness.

[00:34:13] Yes it's kind of surreal.

[00:34:14] And it's got a section in it called Armchair Theatre.

[00:34:21] It was...

[00:34:22] It's infuriating.

[00:34:23] Yeah I hate Armchair Theatre.

[00:34:25] It's so many really quick little bits and then you've got like eight minutes.

[00:34:30] Oh it's long.

[00:34:31] Of this guy.

[00:34:32] What's he called?

[00:34:33] Someone Butler.

[00:34:34] So it's Billy Butler's Armchair Theatre.

[00:34:37] He's just a guy that isn't one of the Chuckle Brothers and he's in like a field

[00:34:43] or a park or a council estate reading a story to the camera and that's it.

[00:34:49] Now here's Armchair Theatre.

[00:34:55] Grandad loved his veggies of butter.

[00:34:59] Grandad loved his vegetables.

[00:35:03] He had his own special patch of ground where he grew them, his allotments.

[00:35:08] He grew rows of carrots, potatoes and cabbages.

[00:35:11] You name them he grew them.

[00:35:13] You could find them there most of the time weeding and watering them.

[00:35:17] And of course taking care of his little greenhouse.

[00:35:21] Now that's where he grew the extra special ones.

[00:35:24] Great big firm tomatoes, cucumbers and even pumpkins.

[00:35:30] I'm never lonely.

[00:35:32] Not while I've got me vegetables.

[00:35:35] Sometimes his grandson Arnold will pop round to see him on his bike.

[00:35:39] Hiya Grandad, how's your veggies?

[00:35:42] You mind a bike and go on and don't go picking them there tomatoes.

[00:35:45] They're not ready yet.

[00:35:46] Aimed very young.

[00:35:48] It was aimed very young and the rest of the show is aimed slightly older.

[00:35:52] Or even adult like.

[00:35:54] Yeah and when you've got that really long middle section and I wasn't expecting it so I was like is this the wrong show that I'm watching?

[00:36:03] When you've got the bits that are trying to be quote unquote educational but because they're comedy they're actually just straight up misinformation.

[00:36:11] It's like who is this for because you are just teaching the wrong thing.

[00:36:14] Because we were watching the farming one and they started talking about the three field system and strip farming and I was like okay that's correct.

[00:36:23] And then natural sorts of comedy.

[00:36:25] Strip farming, the three fields.

[00:36:28] And then they went on to define what they actually were and they were complete horse shit and I was like oh.

[00:36:34] Now farms themselves have evolved over the years.

[00:36:37] In medieval times they used to use strip farms.

[00:36:40] Now these were very very long but only two or three feet wide.

[00:36:43] So they used to build very narrow houses.

[00:36:45] Exactly and this was most unsatisfactory so what they did was to invent crop rotation.

[00:36:50] Crop rotation?

[00:36:51] Yeah.

[00:36:52] Look I'll give you another demonstration.

[00:36:53] Get that potato back.

[00:36:54] Alright okay.

[00:36:57] There you are.

[00:36:58] That's it.

[00:36:59] Now put all that soil back.

[00:37:00] Eh?

[00:37:01] Put the soil back.

[00:37:02] Right.

[00:37:03] Okay.

[00:37:04] Now back in.

[00:37:05] What are you doing?

[00:37:06] Putting the soil back.

[00:37:07] In the box.

[00:37:08] Oh sorry.

[00:37:09] Now crop rotation.

[00:37:11] You take your potato.

[00:37:12] Yes.

[00:37:13] You put it down like that.

[00:37:14] Yes.

[00:37:15] Give it a spin.

[00:37:16] There you are.

[00:37:17] Crop rotation.

[00:37:18] So then they could build a bigger house.

[00:37:19] Exactly.

[00:37:20] Right.

[00:37:21] Oh I see.

[00:37:22] Now life wasn't all a bowl of daisies back in the middle ages.

[00:37:26] Clean all that mess up will ya?

[00:37:28] So there's also enough correct information and then loads of incorrect information that

[00:37:33] you would as a kid walk away thinking like that's correct.

[00:37:37] You would probably go on with life thinking that's correct.

[00:37:40] Maybe get into a conversation ten years down the line and someone's like no you're

[00:37:43] fucking wrong and he's like what do you mean I'm wrong?

[00:37:45] The chuckle brothers draw it to me.

[00:37:46] Do you remember last episode I was talking about my teacher Mr. Jones and his antics?

[00:37:52] Something that he did was he was teaching us about how...

[00:37:54] Why do you?

[00:37:55] Well yes he was teaching us about how they took canaries down land mines because they

[00:38:01] would die first.

[00:38:02] You mean mines?

[00:38:03] Yes.

[00:38:04] Well they're in the land.

[00:38:07] Mine shafts.

[00:38:08] Mine shafts.

[00:38:09] Yes, yes.

[00:38:10] Do you think penguins can walk on mines and not set them off?

[00:38:15] They're light enough.

[00:38:16] Oh that's amazing.

[00:38:17] Sorry.

[00:38:18] If only there were a penguin.

[00:38:20] Thank god for that.

[00:38:23] Yet someone put their hand up and said what if it just dies of natural causes?

[00:38:27] And he said oh well they give them a full health check first.

[00:38:30] And then he said you know I've got to stop saying this to you because one day

[00:38:35] you're going to write this down in his head.

[00:38:37] When I was a child I once asked my dad why the constellations are named things

[00:38:44] that they don't look like.

[00:38:45] And my dad said oh well when they were naming the constellations there were more

[00:38:52] stars in the sky and they've all gone out since then.

[00:38:54] Aww.

[00:38:55] It's not true.

[00:38:56] Well some of you can't see anymore but they're there.

[00:38:59] Yeah but not enough.

[00:39:02] Oh that one used to look like a man with a bow and arrow.

[00:39:06] Yeah that was never the case Laura.

[00:39:09] And I remember saying to my dad really?

[00:39:12] Because I wasn't young enough to actually be, I was probably about 15.

[00:39:16] And I went really and he went no.

[00:39:21] You stupid fuck.

[00:39:24] Sorry I love the impression that I just got from you that you were a northern

[00:39:30] person going to get exams about mines.

[00:39:33] You're going to write this down on your head.

[00:39:36] Yeah yeah when you get to 14 everyone takes the mine exam.

[00:39:39] It's true isn't it?

[00:39:42] How did you do in yours?

[00:39:44] We didn't get the 11 plus.

[00:39:46] You didn't get the, what was it, SATs?

[00:39:48] Yeah no.

[00:39:50] You did get a mine.

[00:39:51] No you do get the 11 plus but if you don't do well enough in it they just send

[00:39:54] you down the mines.

[00:39:56] They're like well she's not going to contribute much to society, get her

[00:40:00] digging coal.

[00:40:01] Yeah and I did.

[00:40:03] And she did.

[00:40:04] That's why my voice sounds the way it does.

[00:40:06] It's so strong.

[00:40:07] My eyes are so strong.

[00:40:08] Yeah I don't know if you heard my radio show.

[00:40:10] She's going to die of black lung.

[00:40:11] Is it called black lung?

[00:40:12] Definitely a bad thing to die of.

[00:40:14] Yeah whatever that is.

[00:40:15] It's unpleasant but yeah on my show today I was like I was doing it like this.

[00:40:19] It was bad.

[00:40:20] You doing your sexy voice?

[00:40:22] It wasn't sexy.

[00:40:24] Something that I read in an interview with Paul Chuckle talking about, I think

[00:40:30] you probably read the same article or he's looking back on their career.

[00:40:36] Oh no I very intentionally didn't read that.

[00:40:38] I do not want it from his brother.

[00:40:40] I want a different unbiased source.

[00:40:42] Right well he was talking about their career and he said we didn't start doing

[00:40:48] we wanted to start doing comedy but we started out like singing and dancing.

[00:40:52] We wanted to start in comedy but at the time you didn't really get into

[00:40:59] comedy if you were under 40.

[00:41:01] Oh really?

[00:41:02] Yeah because everyone was like what would you know about life?

[00:41:05] How can you be funny?

[00:41:07] Which is really interesting I think because it's not like that now.

[00:41:10] How far comedy has come.

[00:41:12] I know.

[00:41:13] I don't tell jokes I just make funny noises and people laugh.

[00:41:16] You do tell jokes.

[00:41:18] Both.

[00:41:19] Yeah that's not what I was thinking.

[00:41:21] What did you, you made a reply to a, what was it the other day?

[00:41:25] Make replies sometimes to vehicles.

[00:41:28] What?

[00:41:32] Sometimes the vehicle makes a noise and I do the noise back.

[00:41:36] I do that with trams.

[00:41:38] Trams?

[00:41:39] Oh okay.

[00:41:40] Meg does it with everything.

[00:41:42] I don't remember what I did though.

[00:41:44] Do you do it with motorbikes?

[00:41:46] No.

[00:41:50] Do you do it with ambulances?

[00:41:53] Right you can't because there isn't an ambulance so I'm not going to just keep

[00:41:57] doing the noises for you.

[00:41:59] The first time you did it was a train.

[00:42:02] You think that was the first time?

[00:42:04] The first time I ever heard you do it.

[00:42:06] I don't even know I'm doing it.

[00:42:08] Chugga chugga choo choo?

[00:42:09] No more like nooooooooo.

[00:42:12] You know the noise they make when if they're going through a station and they want

[00:42:17] to clear people away from the edge of the platform they honk.

[00:42:21] Ah the honk yes we're familiar with the honk.

[00:42:26] Do you remember Mambo number honk?

[00:42:29] Yeah there's a version of Mambo number five that's performed just with bike honks

[00:42:33] and it actually sounds like it's chasing you.

[00:42:36] It is demonic.

[00:42:38] What's the guy that did the fake number ones for all the different times

[00:42:44] that he did Mambo number...

[00:42:46] Oh Archie Henderson.

[00:42:48] Yeah Mambo number four.

[00:42:50] Can we talk for a second about this Twitter thread because it is art.

[00:42:54] One of my colleagues sends every Monday sends a comedy quiz and Archie Henderson

[00:42:59] was one of the answers to one of these comedy and it was the only one I knew

[00:43:03] and they were like who's Archie Henderson?

[00:43:05] I was like well I don't know any of the others.

[00:43:07] We need to talk about this we never have we'll get back to the topic at hand soon I promise.

[00:43:11] But we love this.

[00:43:13] This is incredible.

[00:43:14] I mean it went so viral there's a chance you already know what we're talking about.

[00:43:18] And yet the only people that ever reference it are us three to each other.

[00:43:22] So it came at the very end of 2019.

[00:43:28] And since it was New Year time Archie Henderson said I've been working with a music historian

[00:43:36] and we've come up with the biggest hit of every decade from now until what was it like 2000?

[00:43:45] I don't think the original suite specified how far it was going to go back

[00:43:50] because if you had you'd have known it was a joke.

[00:43:52] No it did and I didn't notice.

[00:43:54] Oh yeah because it took me several to realize it was a joke.

[00:43:58] So we started off with 2010's Shape of You, 2000's was James Blunt,

[00:44:04] Yeah, you're beautiful.

[00:44:06] 90's was Mambo Number 5, then 80's.

[00:44:10] Then it was Cher.

[00:44:12] 80's was Cher if I could turn back time.

[00:44:14] And then it was the Bee Gees but it wasn't real.

[00:44:20] It was called Ha and it went

[00:44:22] Make me wanna haaa, haaa, haaa.

[00:44:31] Like that.

[00:44:33] And genuinely it went all the way back to

[00:44:37] To be fair it started like doing chunks of time rather than everything.

[00:44:41] But they were fantastic impressions of every artist.

[00:44:45] I remember sending this to Emily, friend of the pod,

[00:44:50] and she didn't realize it was fake until it got to the one that went

[00:44:56] I like blighty British England eating chips and fish.

[00:45:01] Let's all keep some lights on during the blitz.

[00:45:05] And then she was like oh this is a joke isn't it?

[00:45:08] And I was like there were several before that that gave it away.

[00:45:13] I once was very very sick and my voice was the absolute perfect horrendous to do the War is Bad one.

[00:45:21] War is bad, it makes me sad, never glad, worst thing I ever had.

[00:45:32] That was the 1920's.

[00:45:37] Little Timmy didn't wash his wierdly, now he's dead of typhoid, now he's dead of typhoid.

[00:45:42] Anyway, Algy Henderson if you're listening.

[00:45:44] We love it, we still go back and listen to it, it's so funny.

[00:45:48] But then every so often it has like Mambo number four.

[00:45:52] Mambo number two.

[00:45:54] Mambo number three was a tiny portion of Winifred my darling cried to be bugle.

[00:46:01] And it had Cher singing I turned back time.

[00:46:05] I can't believe that worked.

[00:46:09] I only read the wiki how.

[00:46:12] It's so funny.

[00:46:15] I remember when you showed it to me, I was like god this is going to be long isn't it?

[00:46:23] I wasn't expecting to enjoy it so much.

[00:46:26] It's so good.

[00:46:28] The 60's one was Herbie Bonson with Do the Crunch.

[00:46:32] And it goes put your hands on your hips and your hips on your neck.

[00:46:35] Put your neck on your.

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[00:47:43] And Arthur called me at 2 in the morning after I sent it to him.

[00:47:47] He didn't say words he was just wheezing down the phone and he said,

[00:47:51] Pliat!

[00:47:54] I remember when I first watched it I was living in Spain with Delphina at the time.

[00:47:59] Child Delphina.

[00:48:01] And I remember getting maybe four in and banging on the bedroom door like,

[00:48:05] Get in here right now.

[00:48:07] And experience it together.

[00:48:09] See I visited Meg around that time and on a coach from Madrid to Segovia.

[00:48:16] So one of the much much older ones was it from like the 1600s?

[00:48:22] And it was called The Rancid Prince.

[00:48:25] And it basically went like this.

[00:48:27] Let him be my daddy please.

[00:48:32] And Meg got this in her head and would not stop repeating it for two hours on this coach.

[00:48:39] Meg just gets things in her head.

[00:48:42] Meg just cannot stop.

[00:48:44] Let him be my daddy please.

[00:48:47] Oh god.

[00:48:49] Like so.

[00:48:51] The Rancid Prince.

[00:48:56] Meg will so thoroughly get something in her head and you're lucky if it's that one day.

[00:49:01] Like you're lucky if it's that two hour window.

[00:49:04] Because sometimes it's a week of her singing, what is the Kanye West one?

[00:49:07] Chuckle Megan.

[00:49:09] No no, the one that was the most annoying for me was the Kanye West one.

[00:49:14] You're such a fucking hoe.

[00:49:16] You're such a fucking hoe.

[00:49:18] I love it.

[00:49:19] Every time I was near her she would just go, you're such a fucking hoe.

[00:49:23] I love it.

[00:49:24] And I'd go oh please I'm gonna kill you.

[00:49:27] And you get us on Meg's nerves as well.

[00:49:29] You'll start going shut up.

[00:49:34] A window into living with Meg.

[00:49:36] Yeah but the thing is a lot of the things I get stuck in my head are even songs that...

[00:49:41] One lyric.

[00:49:42] Let him be my daddy please.

[00:49:46] Anyway, back to the Chuckle Brothers.

[00:49:49] Back to the Chuckle Brothers, yeah.

[00:49:51] So...

[00:49:53] What is there to say really?

[00:49:55] To me!

[00:49:56] To you then!

[00:49:57] To me!

[00:49:58] Steady steady steady now!

[00:49:59] To you!

[00:50:00] To you!

[00:50:01] To me!

[00:50:02] To you then!

[00:50:03] To me then!

[00:50:04] To me!

[00:50:05] To me!

[00:50:06] Oh dear!

[00:50:07] We could talk about the other format we haven't really touched.

[00:50:08] What the actual sitcom?

[00:50:09] Yeah!

[00:50:10] What it was for about 19 years.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:12] Should we do that?

[00:50:13] Because I watched a few, I didn't watch all the different eras.

[00:50:18] I didn't love it.

[00:50:20] So my breakdown of the eras is early, fuzzy...

[00:50:26] Vaseline camera, yeah.

[00:50:28] Slight mullet-y haircut.

[00:50:30] Yeah, their hair's insane!

[00:50:32] Yeah, it is insane.

[00:50:35] Then era number three is series 14 where it follows one overarching story arc.

[00:50:46] And then series four, I mean sorry, era four is the stuff that looks kind of modern and isn't on a square screen.

[00:50:54] 16 by 10.

[00:50:55] Yes.

[00:50:56] Finally.

[00:50:57] 16 by 9.

[00:50:58] I think they're fine.

[00:50:59] We watched one in season 20, the beetle man episode or that one?

[00:51:05] I don't know!

[00:51:06] I hope she can see her face right now as she says as a beetle man.

[00:51:09] I like it to think!

[00:51:12] Yeah, and I just, I found it quite insufferable and annoying.

[00:51:18] I prefer the older ones.

[00:51:19] The older ones I think are funnier.

[00:51:21] I think their car, which they have for the whole time is hilarious.

[00:51:24] The chuckle-mobile!

[00:51:25] Is that what it's called?

[00:51:26] Did I just make that up?

[00:51:27] If it isn't called that, it should be called that.

[00:51:29] It's like a little pedal car thing that looks like you sell ice creams out of it.

[00:51:32] It's a frame.

[00:51:33] There's no walls.

[00:51:35] Yeah, and it's called, the license plate is Chuckle One.

[00:51:39] Yeah.

[00:51:40] I did like the Sharp episode.

[00:51:41] I thought that was a better...

[00:51:43] Yeah, that's one that we've posted on our Instagram though.

[00:51:46] I like it because I like the episodes where Barry gets back at Paul.

[00:51:52] Because I find the way Paul, as an adult, and I know it's just comedy,

[00:51:57] but I find I really, really, really just want to punch Paul Chuckling,

[00:52:02] the face of being such a cunt.

[00:52:03] Yeah, he's horrible to him!

[00:52:05] He is, he's horrible to him.

[00:52:06] Also, every single misunderstanding that Barry has

[00:52:10] still makes complete sense as to why he's thought that.

[00:52:13] Yeah, it's like I can see you're working.

[00:52:15] Yes, there's always logic to it.

[00:52:17] You said you were repairing the cooker today?

[00:52:19] You! You told me you were going brass rubbing.

[00:52:22] Yes, my pencil broke.

[00:52:24] So?

[00:52:25] Well, I came in here to get a new one

[00:52:26] and Mr Hershey said he needed someone he could rely on to look after the shop.

[00:52:29] Why didn't you call me?

[00:52:31] Because he said he needed someone he could rely on to look after the shop.

[00:52:34] So, generally what happens in an episode of the sitcom

[00:52:38] is that they will be placed in a various job

[00:52:43] because they're minding it for someone else.

[00:52:46] So they're always, they're usually unseen.

[00:52:49] Big social network these two.

[00:52:50] Yeah, so they'll be like looking after someone's shop

[00:52:53] or looking after someone's fish and chip shop.

[00:52:57] State-ly manner!

[00:52:58] Or state-ly manner.

[00:52:59] So they've been sent on like little odd jobs.

[00:53:03] We've come about the executive position advertised in the journal.

[00:53:06] Ah, the odd job men!

[00:53:08] That's us.

[00:53:09] Well, you're certainly odd.

[00:53:11] And they basically try and keep themselves out of trouble

[00:53:14] while doing a good job for whoever they're working for.

[00:53:18] And a positive thing I have to say about the Chuckle Brothers

[00:53:22] is that they're not one of these sitcoms

[00:53:25] where they have some sort of self-serving madcap scheme,

[00:53:29] which I don't have a problem with by itself,

[00:53:32] but a lot of them are that.

[00:53:33] What do you mean?

[00:53:34] Like making money or whatever.

[00:53:37] Okay, they are generally trying to do quite a good job.

[00:53:40] They're just doing it badly.

[00:53:41] Yeah, they're just trying to help people.

[00:53:43] Their intentions in every scenario are always pure.

[00:53:48] The shop one, I think, if Paul had left Barry alone,

[00:53:52] that shop would have been fine.

[00:53:54] Maybe all the stuff would have been stolen still,

[00:53:56] but I think overall he would have done a good job.

[00:53:59] Barry's fairly competent.

[00:54:00] I mean, he is the punchline, but he's sure of himself.

[00:54:05] He knows what he's doing.

[00:54:06] Similar to my brother, I think Paul wants to be right so much

[00:54:11] that it gets in the way of actually being correct

[00:54:15] and doing the right thing.

[00:54:17] Yes, he's very stubborn.

[00:54:18] Because he wants Barry to be wrong so much

[00:54:21] that he fucks everything up.

[00:54:22] One of his, not so much a catchphrase,

[00:54:25] but something he says to Barry a lot is,

[00:54:26] you stupid.

[00:54:27] I say that a lot to myself.

[00:54:31] You stupid.

[00:54:33] Gran's holding a posh dinner party tonight

[00:54:36] and he wants us to help out.

[00:54:37] It's for charity.

[00:54:38] What charity?

[00:54:39] Sheropody for rhinos.

[00:54:41] Hey, this will give us a good chance

[00:54:43] to get back in the good books.

[00:54:44] I'm not in the bad ones.

[00:54:46] You will be when she finds out

[00:54:47] what you've done to that desk.

[00:54:48] Yeah, let's see if we can fix it.

[00:54:53] Give me a hand with this, Barry.

[00:54:54] In one of the episodes,

[00:54:56] they're doing odd bits and bobs for their gran

[00:55:00] and this actress looks younger than the chocolate.

[00:55:04] Because firstly, no offence, they were born old.

[00:55:09] Everyone back then, sorry to be this person,

[00:55:12] but do you not think that people looked older?

[00:55:17] There's actually, for one thing, sun cream.

[00:55:20] Smoking.

[00:55:21] Smoking, sun cream, even just smoking.

[00:55:23] And they were smokers.

[00:55:24] Yeah, because the sun cream

[00:55:28] was only invented or commercialised in the 70s.

[00:55:32] Oh really?

[00:55:33] Yeah.

[00:55:34] Wow.

[00:55:35] What did people do before then?

[00:55:36] Nothing.

[00:55:37] Burn.

[00:55:38] Well, they even put oil on them to cook more.

[00:55:41] Yeah, tanning oil.

[00:55:42] Huh?

[00:55:43] Tanning oil.

[00:55:44] My mum used to use it.

[00:55:45] Great.

[00:55:46] That explains all the melanoma.

[00:55:48] Yeah, so that's one part of it,

[00:55:50] is that there wasn't this sun cream.

[00:55:52] And then there's also, I think,

[00:55:53] a growing culture of skin care.

[00:55:55] Yeah, but you've got to admit

[00:55:56] that they kind of were born old.

[00:55:58] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:55:59] But like, you look at some shows

[00:56:01] where people are our age at the beginning of their shows

[00:56:03] and we look so much younger

[00:56:05] than other people who are the same age as us.

[00:56:08] It's because they were trying to be 40

[00:56:10] because they wanted to become Indian.

[00:56:12] Yeah.

[00:56:13] And the moustache ages them as well.

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:16] I don't think they had a moustache,

[00:56:18] sorry, I don't think they had a shaven face

[00:56:21] for their entire career.

[00:56:23] What does your brother look like without a moustache?

[00:56:25] I'll show you pictures.

[00:56:26] Normal.

[00:56:27] We said earlier that we think Barry Chuckle

[00:56:29] looks a bit like Nigel Thornberry.

[00:56:31] Yes.

[00:56:32] Smashing.

[00:56:33] LAUGHS

[00:56:35] You!

[00:56:36] I told you never to darken my door again.

[00:56:42] You haven't come to darken your door.

[00:56:44] No, we're delivering this safe for Dan.

[00:56:46] Barry, how lovely to see you!

[00:56:49] Lovely to see you! How are you keeping?

[00:56:51] Excuse me.

[00:56:52] Ask him what he wants.

[00:56:54] Gran wants to know what you want.

[00:56:56] We want to put the...

[00:56:58] Ask her where she wants to put that.

[00:57:00] He wants to know if we can put the safe somewhere safe.

[00:57:03] Put the safe somewhere safe.

[00:57:05] LAUGHS

[00:57:07] Where would you like it?

[00:57:08] In the study.

[00:57:10] In the study, Paul.

[00:57:12] Their age kind of doesn't matter,

[00:57:14] like they were...

[00:57:16] I don't know if I have a point.

[00:57:18] I get what you mean.

[00:57:19] They don't occupy any place in society

[00:57:23] within those episodes of the sitcom.

[00:57:27] Their connections to others are not clearly outlined.

[00:57:31] It's kind of in a similar way to Das Uncle Barry.

[00:57:37] What do you mean?

[00:57:38] Someone who's not related to you,

[00:57:41] but your family knows.

[00:57:43] Well, yeah.

[00:57:45] I might be projecting Irish family social networks,

[00:57:50] where there's always someone you know who can do with it.

[00:57:53] You'll just call them Uncle Barry or Cousin Barry.

[00:57:56] Yeah, but what I'm saying is that

[00:57:59] there aren't any other regulars in the show.

[00:58:01] Oh, I see.

[00:58:02] They're not situated anywhere.

[00:58:04] They don't have the same house they go back to.

[00:58:08] We don't know why...

[00:58:10] Do they live together?

[00:58:11] They seem to,

[00:58:12] or they don't share a dressing room.

[00:58:14] We have no idea.

[00:58:15] There's recurring actors,

[00:58:19] but they're in a different place every episode.

[00:58:22] It feels like it's in a different time.

[00:58:24] If you go from one sitcom episode

[00:58:26] from the very early season

[00:58:28] and then go to the very last ones...

[00:58:30] Completely different.

[00:58:31] That's kind of...

[00:58:32] No, no, no.

[00:58:33] I mean their place and time

[00:58:35] and the people are completely different.

[00:58:37] They are completely different,

[00:58:38] but they are the same.

[00:58:39] It's just an alternate universe every single episode.

[00:58:41] Well, yeah, that's kind of the difficulty

[00:58:44] with calling it a sitcom is that

[00:58:45] it's missing that one key thing

[00:58:46] that a sitcom does is a recurring place.

[00:58:50] They are always in different locations.

[00:58:53] The only constant is them.

[00:58:55] Yeah.

[00:58:56] We went from watching the season one and two

[00:58:58] to watching straight away season 20

[00:59:00] and I found that change so jarring.

[00:59:03] But every change...

[00:59:05] I mean, that happens from episode to episode.

[00:59:07] They're the anchors and I don't...

[00:59:10] The whole universe revolves around them.

[00:59:12] Yeah, they are the...

[00:59:13] It's the Chuckle universe.

[00:59:14] It's called the Chuckle Brothers.

[00:59:17] It's not called a place with some men, is it?

[00:59:20] That's why when their gran appeared younger than them

[00:59:25] I was like, it doesn't matter.

[00:59:27] They could be in their 80s

[00:59:30] and they could be going to their parents for tea

[00:59:34] for an episode.

[00:59:35] And if their parents were...

[00:59:36] Prepare to turn their 20s.

[00:59:37] And if that was the case, I would watch it

[00:59:39] and I'd be like, I'm on board with this.

[00:59:42] I think it adds to the surrealness.

[00:59:44] It's because you don't...

[00:59:46] Because you don't question their age,

[00:59:50] their occupation.

[00:59:51] You just accept them as the Chuckle Brothers.

[00:59:53] You don't...

[00:59:54] They're a universal constant.

[00:59:55] Yeah, exactly.

[00:59:57] Chuckle Cement Works, can I help you?

[00:59:59] Yes, certainly sir.

[01:00:01] Any kind of cement work undertaken.

[01:00:03] Tell you what I'll do.

[01:00:04] I'll send you one of our representatives around

[01:00:06] to see you straight away.

[01:00:07] Thank you for calling. Bye.

[01:00:10] Just a minute.

[01:00:11] We haven't got any representatives.

[01:00:12] Of course we have. You.

[01:00:14] Of course. Hey.

[01:00:16] Go and get your suit on.

[01:00:17] I'll come with you, make sure everything's okay.

[01:00:19] What about our thing we've just made outside?

[01:00:21] Statue.

[01:00:22] Of course it's me.

[01:00:23] There's no one else here.

[01:00:24] No, the thing we've made outside is a statue.

[01:00:26] So I was sitting today trying to cure my voice

[01:00:29] and just sort of sitting with all my thoughts about...

[01:00:33] Don't do that.

[01:00:34] Ruminating.

[01:00:35] I was ruminating.

[01:00:36] I was trying to come up with something about the Chuckle...

[01:00:40] like some angle to talk about because I've seen...

[01:00:45] I mean, I've seen enough of them now.

[01:00:46] I've seen...

[01:00:47] I'm going to talk about their game show in a minute.

[01:00:49] I've seen them on celebrity coach trip or whatever it was.

[01:00:55] I've seen so much chuckle vision in the last few days

[01:00:59] and I didn't have anything strong enough to talk about.

[01:01:03] Yeah.

[01:01:04] And I still haven't and I don't know why.

[01:01:09] What is that?

[01:01:11] I just think it kind of relates back to...

[01:01:13] because they kind of just are.

[01:01:15] So it's like taking a perspective on it's difficult.

[01:01:18] I think I like them.

[01:01:21] I don't know.

[01:01:23] I had never watched them as a kid.

[01:01:25] I had no memory of them.

[01:01:26] I had awareness of the Chuckle Brothers,

[01:01:28] but I didn't even know they had a kid show.

[01:01:30] Like I thought they were just a comedy double act that...

[01:01:34] Did panto sometimes.

[01:01:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:01:36] I may have even seen them in panto.

[01:01:37] We used to go to panto every New Year.

[01:01:39] I did see them in panto.

[01:01:41] So my two of my aunts took us

[01:01:46] and they said they went out at the interval

[01:01:49] and they saw the two of them smoking outside in their vests.

[01:01:54] And they said, yeah, they just looked emaciated.

[01:01:58] Like they were just in some string vest smoking outside.

[01:02:01] My mum and dad once saw Paul Chuckle...

[01:02:04] No, sorry, Barry Chuckle in a fancy restaurant near where we live.

[01:02:09] And my dad was like,

[01:02:11] Oh, I said to your mum, I'm going to hand you a handbag

[01:02:14] and I'm going to say to you

[01:02:16] and you're going to say to me as we walk past them.

[01:02:19] And they both bottled it.

[01:02:21] And it's a good job they did because loads of people

[01:02:23] have been comments in saying that they've done this

[01:02:26] when they've seen them in public and just told them to fuck off.

[01:02:29] Which is fairing up.

[01:02:31] Within their right to.

[01:02:32] If you didn't want to be told to fuck off,

[01:02:34] you shouldn't have been a dickhead.

[01:02:36] You see those actors and comedians and stuff

[01:02:38] that have like a famous catchphrase

[01:02:40] and it's like, oh yeah, people chase me down the street

[01:02:43] going, you are my father.

[01:02:45] And maybe it would be like refreshing for them

[01:02:47] If I saw Paul Chuckle, if I just said to him, hello,

[01:02:51] like his other catchphrase, oh dear, oh dear.

[01:02:55] One of the lesser known ones, you know,

[01:02:57] or not lesser known, but you know what I mean.

[01:02:59] He'd probably still go, fuck off.

[01:03:01] Like in the first episode of the new series of Taskmaster

[01:03:04] where Craig Davis is like,

[01:03:05] everyone who's come up to the street

[01:03:07] and said how much they love the show

[01:03:09] and this that and the other,

[01:03:11] just know you did ruin my night.

[01:03:14] Stop doing it.

[01:03:15] You did ruin my life.

[01:03:17] I once saw Greg Davis on Oxford street

[01:03:20] and he looked so harassed.

[01:03:22] Like he was trying to get somewhere really quickly

[01:03:24] without being stopped by people.

[01:03:26] And it was, because me, I was there with my mum and dad

[01:03:28] and we all went, is that Greg Davis?

[01:03:30] And we were like, yeah, no one's saying anything.

[01:03:33] He must be, it must be so difficult for him

[01:03:35] because he's so notable.

[01:03:37] Like you can spy him across, like from a mile away.

[01:03:40] Can't hide if you're Greg Davis.

[01:03:42] So it must be nice to have a more subtle appearance.

[01:03:45] Have you ever seen any cool famous people?

[01:03:47] The only one I've got is walking past Tim Robbins in Edinburgh.

[01:03:51] I met Hans, that's what I was working in Fortnum's.

[01:03:55] I met Hans Zimmer, Taron Adderton,

[01:03:59] which is maybe the biggest one.

[01:04:01] What about you?

[01:04:02] I've met Steven Spielberg.

[01:04:03] Yeah we know, we know.

[01:04:05] So I don't need to tell that story again.

[01:04:06] The day before I started working, Camilla had come in.

[01:04:09] Oh, you just missed Camilla.

[01:04:12] The day before my interview, Steven Fry was there.

[01:04:15] So we never usually went to the big panto,

[01:04:17] we only went to like the big touring ones if our aunts took us.

[01:04:20] If my parents are taking us,

[01:04:21] we go to the local Humbaside radio performance,

[01:04:24] which was always better.

[01:04:27] I believe that the cheaper a panto is, the better it is.

[01:04:31] Do you go to a panto?

[01:04:33] No, I don't want to go to a panto.

[01:04:35] Fuck you.

[01:04:36] Jesus, okay.

[01:04:37] Please don't make me go to a panto.

[01:04:38] I'd go to the middle child ones, you don't have to go to the middle child ones.

[01:04:40] No.

[01:04:41] So this panto, one of their set pieces was,

[01:04:46] it basically was Barry Chuckle getting undressed to his pants.

[01:04:52] It was like a comedy bit, I can't remember why or how.

[01:04:55] Nudity is hilarious.

[01:04:57] Well yes it is, as we all know,

[01:04:59] male nudity is funny and female nudity is sexy

[01:05:02] and that is why it's gonna be equal.

[01:05:03] Unless, unless you're that woman trying to get into our house.

[01:05:07] The woman climbing through our window, that was very funny.

[01:05:11] That was so funny.

[01:05:13] Titsa Kimbo.

[01:05:14] Titsa Kimbo.

[01:05:15] In the most pure definition of Titsa Kimbo.

[01:05:18] So I as a child like, watched this, didn't really register it,

[01:05:25] like you know went home, probably had forgotten it had happened

[01:05:28] and my aunt was telling my dad about it and she was not happy.

[01:05:33] She was like, I mean you don't want to see that do you?

[01:05:36] An old man like, you shouldn't, it's not right.

[01:05:40] I mean it was disgusting.

[01:05:42] She was so unhappy that Barry Chuckle had his arms and legs out.

[01:05:47] I, okay if this is a story from one of you two,

[01:05:50] stop me and claim it.

[01:05:51] I think this was, I heard this at uni.

[01:05:54] It was a primary school class,

[01:05:57] a grandfather clock came up in a story

[01:06:01] and the kids didn't know what a grandfather clock was.

[01:06:04] So the teacher.

[01:06:05] I don't know where this is going Laura.

[01:06:07] I know where this is going.

[01:06:09] Meg's claimed it.

[01:06:10] The teacher was like, okay I'll show you guys what a grandfather clock is

[01:06:15] because once you see it you'll know.

[01:06:17] And she accidentally went into typing into Google images instead of writing.

[01:06:22] No, no.

[01:06:24] Is this my boyfriend?

[01:06:26] I don't know where I heard this story.

[01:06:29] Where did this story, yeah because I've heard this story organically as well.

[01:06:33] So instead of typing in grandfather clock.

[01:06:36] No.

[01:06:37] She missed out the L.

[01:06:39] Yes.

[01:06:40] And accidentally searched grandfather clock in a room full of under tents.

[01:06:46] Yeah.

[01:06:47] The computer should have had some sort of lock on it with it being in a school.

[01:06:52] If you have mature search on or like save search off on Google.

[01:06:58] Anything.

[01:06:59] Anything.

[01:07:00] Also I think some stuff slips through anyway.

[01:07:02] So suddenly on the whiteboard.

[01:07:04] Oh no.

[01:07:05] Grandfather clock.

[01:07:06] Full of grandfather clocks.

[01:07:08] That's your best day at school.

[01:07:12] If I remember correctly a lot of parents called in because obviously the kids go home and.

[01:07:20] Mummy I've seen a grandfather clock.

[01:07:22] If this is a story from your boyfriend can we tell the other hilarious story from your boyfriend

[01:07:26] and you know the one I'm talking about.

[01:07:28] Oh well.

[01:07:29] I don't know how else we're ever going to bring this in so let's do it now.

[01:07:32] His friends.

[01:07:34] I'm definitely missing bits out.

[01:07:36] This is so funny.

[01:07:37] Where one of his friends gave the group the group of friends like money and was like

[01:07:44] can you go buy me lunch.

[01:07:46] Because they were going out anyway.

[01:07:47] And they brought him a whole raw fish.

[01:07:55] Boys are so stupid.

[01:07:57] I'm sorry I lost my mind when I heard this.

[01:08:00] This is the funniest thing.

[01:08:01] I mean he went to a boys school can you tell.

[01:08:04] At my school we weren't allowed out at lunchtime because people in years before I'd

[01:08:10] got there had like they used to be allowed to go home and then they banned it because

[01:08:15] we got up to too much at lunchtime.

[01:08:18] Like going to the restaurant.

[01:08:20] Like going and getting a fish.

[01:08:22] And he said that there was one boy in his group who just wanted to they were being told

[01:08:29] off by the teachers and he just wanted to get it cleared up.

[01:08:32] But and he basically cleaned it all up himself because everyone else was laughing

[01:08:37] too much to do anything about it.

[01:08:40] What needed clearing up?

[01:08:42] I mean you brought a whole raw fish.

[01:08:43] I mean I don't think I don't know what they did with it.

[01:08:45] I don't know if they just slapped it on a desk in front of him but like yeah.

[01:08:50] You've got to dispose of that fish somehow and it's not going in the paper bin in a classroom is it.

[01:08:56] So yeah I yeah that's one of the funniest things I've ever been told.

[01:09:01] It really got me on side like he told me this when I first met him and I was like yeah I'll have you I think.

[01:09:06] Fish boy.

[01:09:07] Fish boy.

[01:09:09] You're for me.

[01:09:10] Good morning and welcome to Chucklevision.

[01:09:12] We've got a really interesting programme for today.

[01:09:14] It's all about making clothes and to start with you need a dummy.

[01:09:18] And here he is.

[01:09:19] I can't find it.

[01:09:20] Oh no.

[01:09:21] Where was he supposed to be coming from?

[01:09:22] Well you remember Dan McGann with the ran?

[01:09:24] Oh from the Isle of Man?

[01:09:25] That's right yeah.

[01:09:26] Well his brother Ted the Thread.

[01:09:27] From Birkenhead?

[01:09:28] That's him yeah.

[01:09:29] Well he was supposed to have delivered it this morning.

[01:09:30] No if he doesn't deliver it you better give Bri the Tie a ring.

[01:09:33] Bri the Tie?

[01:09:34] Yeah.

[01:09:35] Where's he from?

[01:09:36] Barnsley.

[01:09:37] He'll lend us one.

[01:09:38] Got it?

[01:09:39] I think so.

[01:09:40] Dan McGann from the Isle of Man or Ted the Thread from Birkenhead or Bri the Tie from.

[01:09:43] He's got it.

[01:09:45] So something about the Chuckle Brothers brand of humour reminds me of like End of the Pier

[01:09:53] shows, like variety performances like that.

[01:09:56] Kind of not Bernard Manning era but kind of that.

[01:10:01] Like I'm not saying that they are Bernard Manning.

[01:10:04] They're a lot milder than that.

[01:10:06] You're going over my head with all these references.

[01:10:08] You wouldn't get that reference but he's a like a 70s 80s stand-up.

[01:10:14] He was a self admitted racist.

[01:10:16] He was a bad man and he wasn't funny.

[01:10:20] Bad unfunny man.

[01:10:22] The comedian.

[01:10:23] Yeah.

[01:10:24] And as they often are.

[01:10:26] A lot of the jokes in it feel like they're old.

[01:10:30] Like all of the actual joke jokes like wordplay jokes in the Chuckle Brothers

[01:10:37] which is like 90% of it.

[01:10:40] Yeah.

[01:10:41] Feel like they might not have been written by them and I'm not saying like they probably

[01:10:46] did write.

[01:10:47] They probably did.

[01:10:49] In fact there is a team of writers.

[01:10:51] I mean Russell T Davies wrote some episodes.

[01:10:54] Yeah.

[01:10:55] But the style of humour.

[01:10:56] I'll have to find which ones of those were and watch those see if they're different at all.

[01:11:00] Yeah.

[01:11:01] But that sort of style feels like when there were much fewer comedians working on national

[01:11:08] TV when it was just regional.

[01:11:11] Jokes did get passed around and it was people were a lot less precious about the

[01:11:16] ownership of jokes.

[01:11:18] Could you explain that to me a little bit?

[01:11:20] What do you mean?

[01:11:21] So there was segmented like genuinely segmented TV.

[01:11:24] No not TV but just like the circuits.

[01:11:27] Oh so okay.

[01:11:28] So right okay.

[01:11:30] So when performing.

[01:11:31] Yeah when there were like fewer very famous comedians people it was kind of a done thing.

[01:11:37] I learned this from a Stuart Lee routine about Joe Pasquale stealing a joke from someone.

[01:11:44] But it was just not people weren't that precious about swapping jokes around and

[01:11:49] there was like some staple kind of set bits like pantomime set bits like you

[01:11:55] can't own pantomime bit the whole sitting on a bench and having a ghost behind you.

[01:12:00] Yeah like that you can't own that and that the Chuckle Brothers even though they had

[01:12:06] their own sitcom and it was like national TV a lot of that humor feels like that from

[01:12:13] that sort of tradition.

[01:12:15] I'm not saying that frauds I'm not saying but it just feels like that and it took

[01:12:20] that they were able to carve out a massive career and like make such a name for themselves

[01:12:27] off the back of that style of comedy into 2009 and beyond is really impressive.

[01:12:34] Can I tell a fact about copyrighting?

[01:12:37] Of course.

[01:12:38] So you can't in the UK or you couldn't I don't know about now copyright magic

[01:12:46] so like tricks you can't do that but you can copyright plays performances.

[01:12:50] So what Houdini used to do you could copyright a magic trick but you had to explain it in

[01:12:56] full in which case it's public record everyone knows how to do your trick.

[01:12:59] Right.

[01:13:00] What you don't have to detail in full is a stage production you can just be

[01:13:04] a bit more vague about it yeah it has to be performed so what Houdini used to

[01:13:09] do was because if you if you performed it on the night so a lot of people it

[01:13:13] could have been stolen before you've managed to copyright it because it has to be

[01:13:15] performed once in order for it to be copyrighted.

[01:13:18] Right.

[01:13:19] So he used to have an audience of one and perform his trick first for that

[01:13:23] audience of one and then copyright it.

[01:13:25] Wow really that's really cool.

[01:13:27] He died of a punch to the stomach.

[01:13:29] Yes I know that's really cool.

[01:13:33] In the show Barry keeps wearing stuff that I would wear.

[01:13:38] Yeah.

[01:13:39] Like Barry has some insane drip.

[01:13:42] We should get your haircut like that as well.

[01:13:44] Oh no.

[01:13:45] No, no, no.

[01:13:47] And then you can grow the Nigel Thornberry.

[01:13:50] Yes.

[01:13:51] Well I was watching To Me To You which was their game show in the 90s it was

[01:13:57] like two schools competing against each other in general knowledge and they

[01:14:01] had a celebrity guest for a section of it and I watched the episode with

[01:14:05] Bobby Davro because it felt like era specific I thought I've got to

[01:14:11] watch the Bobby Davro one and again I don't know if this is a really old joke

[01:14:16] but it feels like one.

[01:14:18] Bobby Davro says to the Chuckle Brothers if I had noses like yours I

[01:14:22] wouldn't underline them which is really funny.

[01:14:26] Wow.

[01:14:28] And speaking of things that are actually funny in the sitcom ones and

[01:14:33] the early seasons like the sort of presenting a topic ones because

[01:14:39] they're not like humor that I as an adult would laugh at I wasn't primed to

[01:14:44] laugh but when something was funny it really caught you off guard and it

[01:14:48] felt like the funniest thing ever.

[01:14:50] Also because there's no laugh track which is traditionally how you get

[01:14:53] primed to laugh and those kind of things you're like oh fuck that was

[01:14:55] funny.

[01:14:56] Yeah.

[01:14:57] Welcome back to Chuckle Island and another game of To Me To You.

[01:15:00] The funnies arrived our teams are here let's go and meet them.

[01:15:03] Let's go and meet them.

[01:15:04] Right.

[01:15:05] Come on, come on.

[01:15:06] Right side today we've got Sea Green Combined School.

[01:15:09] Yeah.

[01:15:13] And the contestants are hello what's your name?

[01:15:16] Katie.

[01:15:17] Katie, hello Katie nice to see you.

[01:15:19] Now what ambitions have you got?

[01:15:20] Have you got any ambitions at all in life?

[01:15:22] Yeah well because I'm scared of spiders I want to be able to hold a

[01:15:25] tarantula.

[01:15:26] You.

[01:15:27] You don't fancy that do you?

[01:15:29] Anyway your turn hello what's your name?

[01:15:31] I'm Simon.

[01:15:32] Simon nice to see you Simon.

[01:15:33] I believe you like travelling you've got a favourite destination you

[01:15:36] like to go to.

[01:15:37] I go to Zimbabwe a lot.

[01:15:38] Zimbabwe?

[01:15:39] How come you get to Zimbabwe then?

[01:15:41] My mum works for Air Zimbabwe and so she gets free flights over there.

[01:15:45] Oh that's brilliant that.

[01:15:46] Well you two Katie and Simon good luck with Sea Green Combined School.

[01:15:50] Yeah.

[01:15:51] Before we start though we've got to find out who's going to begin the

[01:15:53] game and we do that by.

[01:15:55] Playing the dice decider.

[01:15:57] Come on down on the beach down on the beach.

[01:15:58] Here we go.

[01:15:59] Come on right down here straight down on the beach that's the beach down

[01:16:02] here look there you are just like Zimbabwe.

[01:16:04] There you go.

[01:16:05] That's it now you two stand over that side.

[01:16:06] I'm going to explain what's happening.

[01:16:07] What here we've got two rock pools.

[01:16:09] Rock pools.

[01:16:10] There's all sorts of seaweed and everything but in there we've got five

[01:16:13] starfish and the first one to get all five out or the one who gets

[01:16:17] the most in 30 seconds will start the game.

[01:16:20] If you like to put these gloves on.

[01:16:21] Right.

[01:16:22] Each of you.

[01:16:23] I think the other way around aren't they?

[01:16:24] You put these gloves on.

[01:16:25] That's it get those in.

[01:16:26] And to make them look like they're fastened together at the top.

[01:16:29] Who's good this isn't it?

[01:16:31] Right you've got 30 seconds.

[01:16:33] You've got to find five starfish.

[01:16:34] Find as many as you can starting from hang on hang on hang on hurry.

[01:16:38] Now go.

[01:16:39] One of our listeners I'm going to read you some messages now.

[01:16:50] She says that one of the episodes that they shot in was in a book

[01:16:55] shop in her village and I don't know I assume because it's in her

[01:17:00] village her primary school made them study it as part of their

[01:17:04] history curriculum.

[01:17:06] Wow.

[01:17:07] And I said oh that's so weird you know why she said I think it's I

[01:17:12] think it was something local that happened and they were really

[01:17:14] scraping the barrel and they shot the episode there because it was

[01:17:17] this very odd secondhand bookshop I think suited the vibe of the

[01:17:20] episode and she said I'm pretty sure we had to write about it

[01:17:23] having watched the whole episode in a lesson and learn about it but

[01:17:28] genuinely saw it as the height of culture and celebrity when I was

[01:17:31] seven.

[01:17:32] So thanks.

[01:17:33] You would.

[01:17:34] Thanks for that.

[01:17:35] But yeah because imagine you're a kid who loves chuckle vision

[01:17:41] because kids loved chuckle vision.

[01:17:43] I can see why they did.

[01:17:45] They shoot it in your village and then your school's like let's

[01:17:48] study this because these celebrities came to our village.

[01:17:51] That is it's actually quite cool.

[01:17:53] I mean it is a bit weird that they were scraping the barrel that

[01:17:56] much but I think it's quite a cool thing.

[01:17:59] I also have some messages to read out from my friend Marie.

[01:18:03] So Marie tweeted me about so I was tweeting about I was like

[01:18:08] live tweeting my experience of chuckle vision a few days ago

[01:18:11] and she got back to me and none of you will have seen this

[01:18:14] because she's on private but she has an excellent Twitter account.

[01:18:19] So this is what Marie has to say.

[01:18:23] My only anecdote about the Chuckle Brothers is that once at

[01:18:26] school in like year nine I'd done the best somersault you'd ever

[01:18:30] seen and then fell on my head at trampolining club and knocked

[01:18:33] myself out.

[01:18:35] All good stories start with woke up to two paramedics leaning

[01:18:40] over me one of whom was straight up Paul Chuckle and I don't

[01:18:44] mean he looked like him.

[01:18:46] He had the voice and the mustache and everything and I remember

[01:18:50] thinking God I didn't know that Paul Chuckle was a paramedic

[01:18:53] and he wasn't doing panto.

[01:18:56] Anyway we get to Hull Royal and while I'm being treated by the

[01:18:59] doctors the paramedics walk by and my mum's thanking them

[01:19:02] and everything and I'm like where's the other paramedic

[01:19:05] because both the guys talking to my mum were bald and they

[01:19:08] all look at me like I'm Leonardo DiCaprio at the end of

[01:19:11] Shutter Island and they're like there was no paramedic.

[01:19:16] Turns out it was some sort of concussion hallucination.

[01:19:23] Imagine if she'd hallucinated Nigel Thornberry.

[01:19:28] That's Barry Chuckle.

[01:19:31] Laura's not very good at distinguishing the Chuckle brothers.

[01:19:35] I'm bad at names full stop.

[01:19:37] So Barry's the one that looks like Nigel Thornberry and Paul's

[01:19:42] the dickhead.

[01:19:45] Paul's the taller one.

[01:19:47] And Barry just wears fantastic jumpers and shell suits.

[01:19:52] Yeah shell suits.

[01:19:55] What's a shell suit?

[01:19:57] The sort of baggy nylon tracksuit.

[01:20:01] Oh okay.

[01:20:03] And Barry wears some really good ones.

[01:20:05] But I understand now thank you.

[01:20:10] Meg was just quite mean to Elsie.

[01:20:14] Yes I know.

[01:20:16] So I said shell suit and this I'm going to cut out but

[01:20:21] we were explaining to Laura what a shell suit was and she

[01:20:27] was like what's that and Meg said Jimmy Savile.

[01:20:33] And Laura said who's that?

[01:20:35] No I didn't.

[01:20:37] I don't really know what he looks like.

[01:20:40] The only times I've seen him is when I get advertised

[01:20:42] in the documentaries about what he did.

[01:20:44] And Meg said Elsie with her blonde hair.

[01:20:47] Because there was a time.

[01:20:49] Look Elsie you said it yourself.

[01:20:51] I had to go back.

[01:20:53] The thing is you never wore a shell suit that would have

[01:20:55] been too much.

[01:20:56] I think your hair looked really cool blonde.

[01:20:58] I would never have said Jimmy Savile had you not said

[01:21:01] it yourself.

[01:21:02] Yeah but then I did and you were like oh fuck.

[01:21:05] Yeah but I didn't think it before that.

[01:21:08] You did after.

[01:21:09] Yeah but that's because of you.

[01:21:11] That's your fault.

[01:21:13] You should have looked like Jimmy Savile if you didn't

[01:21:15] want me to say you looked like Jimmy Savile.

[01:21:17] It's your own bed.

[01:21:19] Elsie with her blonde hair and a juicy tracksuit.

[01:21:22] Oh gosh.

[01:21:24] Looking like a child's TV presenter from the services.

[01:21:27] No laughs there, no laughs.

[01:21:31] When I win that first prize they'll put me up on a

[01:21:34] pedestal with all the other great gardeners.

[01:21:36] That's the one.

[01:21:38] Look at that.

[01:21:39] Right come on then.

[01:21:41] I can't carry that as well.

[01:21:43] We'll go and get a trolley.

[01:21:44] Can't you carry it?

[01:21:45] What?

[01:21:46] Never mind.

[01:21:48] I knew it.

[01:21:54] They've shut.

[01:21:55] Eh?

[01:21:57] You can't have it's only nine.

[01:22:00] I've been holding this lot since four.

[01:22:02] Well I'm not going anywhere without that plant.

[01:22:04] I'll leave the money on the side.

[01:22:06] Where's it gone?

[01:22:13] Oh the cafe's open.

[01:22:22] That's not the cafe.

[01:22:23] Well what is it then?

[01:22:24] I don't know but it wasn't there before.

[01:22:26] Hang on.

[01:22:33] He's got my tomato plant.

[01:22:35] Look at that.

[01:22:37] What are we going to do?

[01:22:39] Grow rubab.

[01:22:40] You're going to have to go in there and marry it out with him.

[01:22:42] Why me?

[01:22:43] Because you're closer than me.

[01:22:44] I'm not.

[01:22:45] Yes you are.

[01:22:46] Go on.

[01:22:47] No.

[01:22:48] Yes go on.

[01:22:49] You're alright.

[01:22:50] Go on.

[01:22:51] There's one episode I want to talk about called Alien Antics.

[01:22:53] It starts with...

[01:22:55] And again, the weirdness is exacerbated by the lack of a laugh track even though it being something that really looks and feels like it should have one.

[01:23:06] So the Chuckle Brothers are in what appears to be a warehouse.

[01:23:12] Like a half indoor half outdoor sort of garden center warehouse.

[01:23:17] At night.

[01:23:20] Ooh not at night.

[01:23:21] And they're growing tomatoes.

[01:23:23] Oh yeah.

[01:23:24] And it's just the weirdest, weirdest setting.

[01:23:28] They're talking about how they're going to grow tomatoes for the biggest tomato competition and then they hear a weird noise and they turn a corner and there's a spaceship.

[01:23:37] And it's the strangest shot.

[01:23:40] It's like floating in the air.

[01:23:42] It's got some of that CBBC early effects.

[01:23:47] Early early.

[01:23:48] And their faces are like...

[01:23:50] Ooh ugly.

[01:23:51] And there's like a really bright light like encounters of the third encounters of the what's it called?

[01:23:56] Encounters of the third kind?

[01:23:59] Yeah you're right.

[01:24:00] Yeah that one.

[01:24:01] And close encounters of the third.

[01:24:04] And an alien comes out and it's an ugly alien, it's really ugly.

[01:24:09] When I was a kid I was actually very scared.

[01:24:12] But this really strange vibe stuck with me because I went back and tried to find it.

[01:24:18] I was like alien episode of the Chuckle Brothers.

[01:24:21] And in my memory they just sort of walked about the warehouse for a bit avoiding this alien for about half an hour.

[01:24:31] But no they get into his...

[01:24:34] Shuttle?

[01:24:35] So the alien takes the big tomato and gets into the spaceship.

[01:24:39] It's a route.

[01:24:40] I know they follow him and this alien has a collection of tomatoes which he mistakenly thinks are human beings.

[01:24:47] And he's taking them back.

[01:25:15] So they're in a weird, weird set full of mirrors and shit and tomatoes.

[01:25:29] And this alien explains that he's taking the tomatoes back to his home planet to try and experiment on them to learn about human culture.

[01:25:39] He does an intelligence test on Paul.

[01:25:43] Works out he's got lower intelligence than one specific tomato in this greenhouse in the spaceship.

[01:25:52] Then the alien mind swaps with Paul using this machine where the helmets look like a colander with CD-ROM stuck around it.

[01:26:04] And when it's turned on they're like shaking and stuff.

[01:26:08] They keep falling off the alien head because the alien head is massive and it's clearly on a string.

[01:26:13] Because a colander's not built to go on an alien so it's built to go on a human head.

[01:26:18] Or a smart ball.

[01:26:20] It's just the oddest thing.

[01:26:24] And then hijinks ensue.

[01:26:27] The alien body with Paul's mind in it is trying to convince Barry that he's Paul and they get swapped back.

[01:26:34] They put them both back into the machine.

[01:26:36] Barry sort of engineers it so it's going to go back.

[01:26:39] And then something goes wrong.

[01:26:41] And the episode ends with Paul and Barry Chuckle having accidentally merged with the tomatoes.

[01:26:49] And now there's some tomatoes with the Chuckle Brothers faces on in an alien spaceship.

[01:26:53] I remembered that scene so well.

[01:26:56] I couldn't have placed it but I remembered their faces on those tomatoes.

[01:27:02] It sounded like a strong image.

[01:27:04] I had a door in my mind opened when I saw that.

[01:27:07] I'm just obsessed with the liminal vibe of the tomato warehouse with an alien spaceship around the corner.

[01:27:17] And then the Chuckle Brothers just happening upon it.

[01:27:20] What's happening there?

[01:27:22] This is where Russell T. Davies started.

[01:27:24] It doesn't not sound like back rooms hijinks.

[01:27:28] Yeah, it doesn't it.

[01:27:30] And the effects were about as good as early Doctor Who as well.

[01:27:33] Early Doctor Who?

[01:27:35] Actually even probably just as good as Bin's being villains.

[01:27:40] I need people to be.

[01:27:42] Remember when you were afraid of your wheelie Bin?

[01:27:45] Don't throw that out.

[01:27:47] It's where the flavour is.

[01:27:49] We watched Blink and we were at a place that had statues in the garden.

[01:27:56] They were not angels but suddenly all three of us were like, someone keep an eye on that Buddha.

[01:28:02] I'm being directed to the website.

[01:28:06] I'm about to get tickets everyone.

[01:28:08] Do you want to use my laptop?

[01:28:09] No.

[01:28:10] Because it's my turn also.

[01:28:12] Ah, okay.

[01:28:13] Oh my god.

[01:28:14] At least that better be fucking worth it.

[01:28:16] Let me tell you now Elsie if it's shit I'm blaming you.

[01:28:18] It won't be shit.

[01:28:19] That was so stressful.

[01:28:21] Yes, we're recording.

[01:28:22] Sorry if there's a change in energy.

[01:28:24] We just took a 20 minute break to stress through buying tickets.

[01:28:27] I think it was longer than 20 minutes.

[01:28:29] Well you can check and see how long you were on that call.

[01:28:32] I wasn't on the call for the whole time.

[01:28:34] You were trying to get tickets either.

[01:28:36] Oh my god.

[01:28:37] Well we've done it now.

[01:28:38] We're seeing inside number 9.

[01:28:40] Fright night?

[01:28:41] It's called stage fright.

[01:28:43] Stage fright.

[01:28:44] Right, shall we get this done?

[01:28:47] Yes, what was... you wanted to say something?

[01:28:50] No I didn't.

[01:28:51] Okay.

[01:28:52] I can't remember.

[01:28:54] To everyone that holds Chucklevision really dear to your heart,

[01:28:59] really sorry if this episode isn't up to scratch,

[01:29:03] we gave our honest, honest opinion.

[01:29:05] Yeah, you can trust us to be honest.

[01:29:08] You can!

[01:29:09] And we know that so many of you really love it.

[01:29:13] If you're worried that that love might not be replicated into adulthood,

[01:29:21] don't re-watch it.

[01:29:23] Yeah.

[01:29:24] It's... I think it's definitely impressive.

[01:29:30] I definitely respect them a lot for what they've achieved.

[01:29:34] They've produced so many episodes.

[01:29:38] Paul Chuckle seems like a genuinely nice guy.

[01:29:41] Everyone in showbiz says that they're very nice,

[01:29:44] very down to earth good people.

[01:29:47] And that's the best you can hope for.

[01:29:50] One of them lived in his hometown.

[01:29:53] Yeah.

[01:29:54] Potentially, I don't remember which one it's with.

[01:29:56] You say it's nice to hear local accents on telly.

[01:29:59] It is!

[01:30:00] I mean they're not from Rotherham,

[01:30:03] but if you ever wondered what my grandad sounds like,

[01:30:06] very much like the Chuckle Brothers.

[01:30:08] I've often wondered what your grandad sounds like.

[01:30:10] Very much like the Chuckle Brothers.

[01:30:12] It's nice to have local people on telly.

[01:30:15] I'm not going to hear my accent on telly, or anywhere.

[01:30:19] Right, have a beautiful evening everyone.

[01:30:21] We need to get out of this room we've just had.

[01:30:23] It's been quite the evening.

[01:30:25] Yeah, it is warm.

[01:30:27] Shall we do the socials?

[01:30:29] I think we better had.

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[01:31:00] Yeah, it's been quite a few.

[01:31:02] We're a few of you and we're absolutely delighted to have you here.

[01:31:05] Can't wait to put more bonus content right under your schnoz.

[01:31:10] We've got ideas.

[01:31:12] They're coming.

[01:31:14] Right, sorry for the shifting energy.

[01:31:17] We're all very very very...

[01:31:19] I feel a bit hysterical.

[01:31:21] It's ten thirty, I'm so frustrated and I did nothing.

[01:31:25] So I ache.

[01:31:28] From the weird position I had to be in.

[01:31:31] I hope you've enjoyed.

[01:31:33] Yeah.

[01:31:34] And I hope you will go watch some Chucklevision.

[01:31:37] Chuckle chuckle Megan.

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