Postbox Episode

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[00:00:29] Welcome back to the Behind the Paywall content. We're in the middle of our summer break. Feels like ages since we last recorded. It feels like such a long time. It was the Rugbat... It was the Rugrats episode. I'd love to watch the show Rugbats. It was the Rugbats episode. Will this be staying Behind the Paywall, given that it's inputs from people who do not pay?

[00:01:12] No, it'll... Paywall... Patreons will get early access. And eventually, because everyone has contributed, it will go onto the main feed. But because we love our Patreons, we're taking... Yeah.

[00:01:26] Yeah, we're taking a break from our summer break. And we also miss recording. We love it.

[00:01:30] It's very fun. I will... Occasionally, stuff will happen. And I have the urge to save it for the podcast. But I'm like, then I would stop talking to you guys normally.

[00:01:39] Oh, well, if you've got anything saved up. And you'd also forget.

[00:01:42] I'd also forget. Yeah. Just tell us now if you've got anything.

[00:01:45] Not... Like, I'll just be on my way home going, oh, that'd be an interesting story for the podcast. And then I...

[00:01:50] Then it goes. Then it goes.

[00:01:51] Then it goes.

[00:01:52] Because what you've got... The filter you need in your head is, is it interesting for everyone else as well? Or is it just interesting for us?

[00:02:00] At which point, you can just tell us.

[00:02:02] No, that's true.

[00:02:05] My conversation gets worse and worse coming.

[00:02:07] If everyone else doesn't give a shit, feel free to tell us.

[00:02:11] Because we'll always give a shit, Laura.

[00:02:13] I mean, we won't, but...

[00:02:15] You'll always pretend.

[00:02:17] Yeah.

[00:02:18] So the postbox episode, it's questions, it's comments, it's from you, it's from...

[00:02:24] Postbox? Mailbag?

[00:02:25] Well, I'm saying postbox.

[00:02:27] Because I grew up in England.

[00:02:28] I feel like I say this every time we have a, like, question-answer kind of thing.

[00:02:37] But you guys really don't know what a question slash story is.

[00:02:44] Like, I've...

[00:02:45] Not everyone.

[00:02:46] No, not everyone.

[00:02:48] But what I'm saying is, sometimes...

[00:02:51] And it...

[00:02:52] This is an interesting foot to start on.

[00:02:54] Sometimes I'll put a question box up on the Instagram story.

[00:02:58] And people will just enter into that box the names of kids' TV shows.

[00:03:04] It's like, yes.

[00:03:05] Did you read the question I asked?

[00:03:08] The question I asked was, do you have any questions or stories for us?

[00:03:11] Laura is currently comforted, like, talking Meg down using body language.

[00:03:18] Like, I love you all, but it is so annoying.

[00:03:20] It's like, why are you just commenting kids' TV shows?

[00:03:25] Like, why?

[00:03:26] We love you all the same.

[00:03:30] She's just getting quite adamant.

[00:03:32] It's like, has anyone got any stories for us?

[00:03:35] Rosie and Jim.

[00:03:36] What?

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:37] No, we actually want to hear about your lives.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:40] We're not quizzing you.

[00:03:41] Story time.

[00:03:42] We should do a Google, like, forum.

[00:03:45] Just let people put their stories in it.

[00:03:48] What's a Google forum?

[00:03:50] Form.

[00:03:51] Form.

[00:03:51] Form.

[00:03:52] Okay.

[00:03:52] Form.

[00:03:54] Right.

[00:03:54] Shall we start with the first one?

[00:03:57] Sure.

[00:03:58] You guys have them on some sort of document somewhere, so.

[00:04:03] I mean, where do you want to begin?

[00:04:06] Instagram, maybe?

[00:04:08] Okay, so we'll just go through them in no particular order.

[00:04:13] How about that?

[00:04:14] Yeah, all right.

[00:04:15] And then I will ask you questions.

[00:04:17] So here's one for Laura.

[00:04:19] Oh.

[00:04:20] I know what this is.

[00:04:21] And also, just sometimes you have no filters.

[00:04:24] Do you guys?

[00:04:27] Why is Laura's accent funny?

[00:04:29] Rude.

[00:04:30] And I don't wonder, do you mean funny as in haha or funny as in weird?

[00:04:33] It's rude both ways.

[00:04:35] I don't know.

[00:04:37] Well, you do know.

[00:04:38] We know why your accent's funny, but tell the crowd.

[00:04:40] I didn't mean I don't know, but I mean, like, I don't know if I find it.

[00:04:43] Well, I know.

[00:04:44] I'm not going to tell you.

[00:04:45] I don't find it particularly rude when people do that because people do have a hard time

[00:04:50] placing it, and I think that's fair.

[00:04:52] And if I apparently am just funny with speech, that's great.

[00:04:55] It makes my life easier.

[00:04:57] No, I grew up in Singapore from age 11 to 18.

[00:05:02] I went to international school.

[00:05:04] My brother sounds like this as well.

[00:05:06] Yeah, that's kind of it.

[00:05:08] And then, well, yeah, I was here for the first 11 years.

[00:05:11] Yeah, it can, when you first meet Laura, when you first hear her, it can be very hard to,

[00:05:16] like, the first time I ever heard her, she was moving into the room across from mine in

[00:05:22] uni halls, and her grandparents were moving her in, and they're both Irish.

[00:05:27] And my mum was like, oh, I think she's Irish.

[00:05:29] And I was like, yeah, but have you heard her talk?

[00:05:32] She doesn't sound Irish.

[00:05:34] Irish?

[00:05:35] It falls in between Australian and American, would you say?

[00:05:40] And English.

[00:05:41] The thing is, I get a lot of different countries.

[00:05:44] The top ones are American, Australian, Northern Irish.

[00:05:50] Really?

[00:05:50] Someone asked if I was from South Africa once, and I was like, no.

[00:05:53] People never go, are you British?

[00:05:56] I am nothing like South Africa.

[00:05:57] I, for a while, thought you sounded American.

[00:06:00] And then I remember being out with you one time and hearing some Americans, and I don't

[00:06:06] remember what was said, but you made a comment about your accent and their accent, and I said,

[00:06:11] yeah, but they actually sound American.

[00:06:13] And you said, so you don't think I sound American anymore?

[00:06:16] And I was like, oh, no, I don't.

[00:06:18] I actually, when I hear Americans, I actually don't think you sound American.

[00:06:21] If you put my voice next to an American voice, maybe depending on where they're from, but

[00:06:27] I think wholesale, like if you play a clip of someone speaking who's got a proper American

[00:06:33] accent and you listen to mine, you're like, oh yeah, there's tons of differences.

[00:06:36] That's why I think it falls closer to Australian.

[00:06:39] I have once been in a bar, and the bartender asked me where I was from, and then three people

[00:06:44] whom I didn't know, one person from America, one British guy, and one Australian guy, started

[00:06:48] arguing about where I was from.

[00:06:51] And I stood there like, cool.

[00:06:53] Did you not just put them right?

[00:06:55] Well, I tried.

[00:06:56] They were now too-

[00:06:57] They weren't having it.

[00:06:58] They were like too invested in their discussion about my accent to listen to what I had to

[00:07:02] say.

[00:07:03] Well, that might have helped them decipher where you were from if they listened to you say

[00:07:07] something.

[00:07:07] Because one person would be like, oh, she's British, and then the British guy would go,

[00:07:10] no, she's fucking not, and back and forth.

[00:07:12] Do you remember when we went to record that time?

[00:07:14] And the guy who was like showing us the stuff was like, oh, so are you all Australian

[00:07:19] then?

[00:07:19] And we were like, none of us.

[00:07:21] Actually, none of us are Australian.

[00:07:23] But like, I say water, daughter, no.

[00:07:27] No.

[00:07:27] No is so- I'm never going to stop saying that.

[00:07:29] If everything else goes, I'm still going to be going, no.

[00:07:32] No.

[00:07:33] And then like, I do the same thing Americans do to their teas.

[00:07:36] So I say better, butter.

[00:07:40] I do that now.

[00:07:41] You do that now?

[00:07:42] I do.

[00:07:42] I don't like it about myself, but I do.

[00:07:44] It's just-

[00:07:45] I reckon I could beat out of you.

[00:07:47] Well, you probably could.

[00:07:49] Okay.

[00:07:49] We can do that then.

[00:07:52] Mmm.

[00:07:54] Because was it-

[00:07:55] I said shutter the other day and you were like, wait, do you mean shutter?

[00:07:59] Or do you mean shutter?

[00:08:00] And I was like, what do you mean?

[00:08:01] They're two different words.

[00:08:02] Not how I say it.

[00:08:04] Which is, I think, an American thing.

[00:08:06] I don't know.

[00:08:08] Is that the question answered?

[00:08:09] Oh, and I've picked up some A's from you guys.

[00:08:12] Long A's or short A's?

[00:08:14] Whichever ones it is you guys do.

[00:08:15] The A's.

[00:08:16] The short A's.

[00:08:17] Like, instead of stance, I'll say stance.

[00:08:20] That's a short A.

[00:08:21] Okay.

[00:08:21] And I'll say Doncaster because it feels wrong to say Doncaster.

[00:08:24] Doncaster.

[00:08:25] Yeah, no, it doesn't sound good, does it?

[00:08:29] Favourite British slash Welsh animation studio?

[00:08:32] Favourite British.

[00:08:33] I don't know.

[00:08:35] Well, I think there's an obvious one here.

[00:08:39] But it might just be very mainstream, but Aardman.

[00:08:41] Aardman animations, yeah.

[00:08:43] Oh, is that- that's Wallace and Gromit, right?

[00:08:45] It is.

[00:08:45] Yeah, no, 100%.

[00:08:46] I mean, yes, but like, that's because that's one that I know the name of.

[00:08:51] Yeah.

[00:08:51] Like, people might be shocked to hear that I don't know that much about kids TV.

[00:08:57] Whenever we talk-

[00:08:59] You learned it on the fly.

[00:09:00] I learn it on the fly.

[00:09:01] I do my research for each show as we go along.

[00:09:04] There's followers of ours that have like an encyclopedic knowledge.

[00:09:09] Really, they should be doing this, but we got here first.

[00:09:12] I, off the top of my head, could not tell you like a single other British animation studio.

[00:09:17] Like, I know the ones I like and I don't know where-

[00:09:19] Like, I don't know where Lyca's from, but I presume it's American.

[00:09:22] I believe it is, yeah.

[00:09:24] But like, I don't really know the names of production companies unless they're very famous.

[00:09:29] Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[00:09:31] It's not exclusively animation.

[00:09:33] You're getting the impression of a monkey there.

[00:09:38] It's not exclusively animation, but they do animate.

[00:09:43] Blink Industries who made Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared.

[00:09:48] Oh, yeah.

[00:09:48] So that puppetry, various types of animation, I like them a lot.

[00:09:54] I was trying to think of any other British animation studio.

[00:09:56] I'm trying to think of British animation films, and I'm struggling.

[00:10:01] I think-

[00:10:01] Um, it's terrible.

[00:10:05] Curse of the were rabbit.

[00:10:07] It's really bad.

[00:10:08] I should know more because there's lots of animation that I like, but I tend to not know

[00:10:13] who is behind it apart from like, you know, the director.

[00:10:18] But yeah, there is one obvious famous one, and to be honest, there's a reason that they

[00:10:23] are the most obvious and famous because, I mean, it's just-

[00:10:28] It's the best thing about being British.

[00:10:30] It's the thing that we should be most proud of ever.

[00:10:33] What?

[00:10:33] Ardman?

[00:10:34] Ardman, yes.

[00:10:36] He's an Ardman.

[00:10:38] Well, Nick Clark, the Ardman.

[00:10:39] There's only 57 listed here, which-

[00:10:43] Who did Paddington?

[00:10:45] I mean, I know the director of Paddington.

[00:10:47] I don't know who like animated him.

[00:10:49] But it's not fully animated, is it?

[00:10:50] No.

[00:10:51] For a start.

[00:10:52] The TV show.

[00:10:53] Oh, the TV show.

[00:10:54] I don't know.

[00:10:55] Oh.

[00:10:55] That's what I was asking about, the TV show.

[00:10:58] Oh, we pretend that that doesn't exist.

[00:11:00] We do?

[00:11:00] What?

[00:11:01] You mean the new one?

[00:11:02] No, the old one.

[00:11:04] Oh, the old one.

[00:11:04] The old one.

[00:11:05] Oh, surely it was just a guy with some-

[00:11:07] A guy in a garage.

[00:11:08] Some felt tips and some paper.

[00:11:10] Oh, I can't believe that I've not mentioned this.

[00:11:13] Small films.

[00:11:14] Oliver Postkate and Peter Furman.

[00:11:16] Yeah.

[00:11:16] That's animation.

[00:11:17] Yeah.

[00:11:18] It was Hannah Barbera Productions.

[00:11:21] Hannah Barbera.

[00:11:22] Did the original Paddington?

[00:11:24] Yeah.

[00:11:24] But that's-

[00:11:24] Oh my God.

[00:11:25] That's American.

[00:11:26] It's part of Warner Bros.

[00:11:28] Yeah, but what a fun fact.

[00:11:30] Wow.

[00:11:31] Okay.

[00:11:31] So it's like so much animation actually just isn't British that I thought was British.

[00:11:34] I thought that was going to be British.

[00:11:36] Okay.

[00:11:37] Sorry that we couldn't answer that.

[00:11:39] I mean, who asked that?

[00:11:40] So the first one was from BossDeaths2113.

[00:11:44] Yeah, okay.

[00:11:45] Thank you.

[00:11:46] Well, it's just nice to acknowledge them, isn't it?

[00:11:48] Then this is Richie Kitschie Creates.

[00:11:52] Oh, is that Richie from the Discord?

[00:11:56] I don't know.

[00:11:57] How often do I go on the Discord?

[00:11:59] Once in every never.

[00:12:00] Don't say that because-

[00:12:01] Sorry, I love the Discord.

[00:12:03] Discord makes my dick hard.

[00:12:05] So I'm always on there with a hard penis.

[00:12:09] Listen, Meg spends a lot of time on the Instagram.

[00:12:13] We can't expect her to do everything.

[00:12:14] I think that's Richie Futchman, is it?

[00:12:17] Richie, I really respect your dedication to Fireman Sam as a piece of media.

[00:12:21] Right, next one.

[00:12:22] Okay, so this one's from Harry.

[00:12:24] Okay.

[00:12:25] Imagine you have a bag with 100 marbles in.

[00:12:30] Okay.

[00:12:31] I can picture that.

[00:12:33] 99 are blue, one is red.

[00:12:35] You reach into the bag with your eyes closed to take out a marble at random.

[00:12:39] For every blue marble you take out, you earn a million pounds.

[00:12:41] However, if you take out the red marble, you die.

[00:12:44] How many, if any, marbles are you taking out?

[00:12:47] I'm not taking any out.

[00:12:48] See, I don't know if we've talked about this on the podcast.

[00:12:52] Me and Meg tend to have a particular brand of misfortune.

[00:12:57] The thing is, though, like, if I'm just going to stop existing instantly, I'll take out a couple of marbles, mate.

[00:13:07] I'd be tempted to, and then I wouldn't.

[00:13:09] Because if I die, I'm not even going to know, am I?

[00:13:14] I'm just going to be dead now.

[00:13:15] I've got a question.

[00:13:16] Can I look in the bag while I'm taking it?

[00:13:18] Yeah, I'd like that one.

[00:13:19] I don't know if that was ever stipulated.

[00:13:21] Because if I can look in the bag 99 times.

[00:13:24] I'm going to be a multimillionaire.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] I reckon two or three.

[00:13:31] In fact, one.

[00:13:32] I would take one.

[00:13:33] Because that's already more than I'm going to have.

[00:13:36] What's your comfortable ratio of chance of death?

[00:13:39] I think I'd go five.

[00:13:42] What?

[00:13:42] I'd take out five marbles.

[00:13:44] Oh, God, I thought you meant you've got a bag with five marbles.

[00:13:48] And I'm happy to put...

[00:13:50] I'll take out 94.

[00:13:52] I'm not taking one out because there are people that would miss me.

[00:13:56] Yeah, but there's also people that would love a few million.

[00:13:59] Well, yeah, but I think...

[00:14:00] You've got to sacrifice for those you love else.

[00:14:02] No, I know, but I think that I'm safe in saying that I mean more to those people than a million pounds does.

[00:14:08] So what if all three of us have a bag with 99 blue marbles and one red marble?

[00:14:15] For the good of the trio, would everyone take one marble?

[00:14:20] I'd still take out five.

[00:14:21] It's fine.

[00:14:22] I don't mind risking it.

[00:14:22] Do all three of us die if one marble...

[00:14:25] One red marble is taking out.

[00:14:26] That's a good evolution of the question.

[00:14:28] The money is shared, but only you die.

[00:14:30] No, I'm simply not taking one out.

[00:14:33] Okay, well, me and Laura will enjoy our millions.

[00:14:36] Yeah.

[00:14:37] Else because you didn't square up to death.

[00:14:40] It's interesting.

[00:14:41] I don't know if I expected you to be the one that didn't want to die the most.

[00:14:47] I don't want to die.

[00:14:48] What can I say?

[00:14:49] I feel like that should be actually as expected.

[00:14:53] Like if people are trying to figure us out, I feel like that falls in line with our personalities pretty well.

[00:14:57] Are you trying to say I've got the most to live for?

[00:14:59] No, I'm not trying to say.

[00:15:00] I think you fear death the most.

[00:15:02] You're just the most pathetic.

[00:15:03] I don't think that is true.

[00:15:05] I do not fear death.

[00:15:09] Like I don't fear being dead, but I fear dying a lot.

[00:15:14] Yeah, I know.

[00:15:14] Yeah.

[00:15:15] I'm really scared of dying.

[00:15:17] Okay, I fear death.

[00:15:18] But if I was to just click of the fingers, if I was just to stop living in this scenario, then yeah, I'd be taking it.

[00:15:27] If I was going to be stabbed repeatedly, then I would be taking no marbles.

[00:15:32] I'm furious because you've not taken into account my feelings about it.

[00:15:36] What do you mean?

[00:15:37] Do you want me to be sad?

[00:15:38] I weighed that up.

[00:15:40] Oh, you did and you decided it was fine.

[00:15:43] Oh, you're being selfish and you're going to miss us.

[00:15:46] Yeah.

[00:15:46] What about the cash else?

[00:15:49] What about the dollar bills, y'all?

[00:15:53] Can we do our wills before this?

[00:15:54] If we don't do our wills before this, then the government gets all that money we just got.

[00:15:59] Not if it's in liquid cash.

[00:16:02] No, that's true.

[00:16:03] That's true.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:04] All right.

[00:16:05] If we just get given immediately cash.

[00:16:07] That's such an inconvenience though, isn't it?

[00:16:09] Having millions in cash.

[00:16:11] In this scenario, is it cash or bank transfer?

[00:16:15] Is this PayPal?

[00:16:16] Is there going to be a really hefty transfer fee?

[00:16:17] Like a million pounds puffs its way into my bank account and my bank goes, oh, someone's

[00:16:23] rubbed a genie lamp again.

[00:16:26] Harry, we have follow up questions.

[00:16:28] It's a great question.

[00:16:30] My answer is I'm not taking any out.

[00:16:32] He's asked us three and...

[00:16:34] That one was good.

[00:16:35] Here's the second one.

[00:16:37] Thanks, Laura.

[00:16:39] The third one is my favorite, so I'm saving that one to last.

[00:16:42] We learned you fear death, you fear dying, and I am the closest to the edge.

[00:16:47] I'm fine to be there.

[00:16:49] Would you consider doing a spin on Hot Ones, titled Thought Ones, where you attempt to answer

[00:16:55] a children's TV-themed quiz, but where every wrong answer delivers the punishment of increasingly

[00:17:00] spicy soul's consumption?

[00:17:02] Yes.

[00:17:02] I would consider doing that.

[00:17:04] I feel like we'd get sued.

[00:17:05] That's so close.

[00:17:07] I actually think that Thought...

[00:17:08] Again, Harry...

[00:17:09] Harry comes up with the most...

[00:17:11] Oh, it's that Harry.

[00:17:12] Yeah.

[00:17:12] You're a genius, my guy.

[00:17:13] His ideas are so good.

[00:17:17] He comes up with the best titles for things.

[00:17:20] Goggle Thought.

[00:17:21] Goggle Thought.

[00:17:21] I was going to say, let's keep them as a surprise in case we do any of them.

[00:17:26] No, let's start a rumor that we're going to do it, so we eventually have to do it.

[00:17:32] So yes, Yances...

[00:17:33] Okay, so I thought that was going to go down more the path of like, we used to, in first

[00:17:37] year, play this game called, what was it, Slag or Sket?

[00:17:41] Sket or Slag.

[00:17:42] Sket or Slag.

[00:17:43] And Thoughts, Thought Ones, would just be like...

[00:17:47] Thought or Not.

[00:17:48] Thought or Not.

[00:17:49] That's another one.

[00:17:50] We also play a game called Drongo or Grebo.

[00:17:54] Yeah.

[00:17:54] Where we decide if a person is a Drongo or a Grebo, and that is purely based on vibes.

[00:18:01] We don't even have a pure definition of what a Drongo or a Grebo is, but...

[00:18:05] Slag or Sket, also quite nebulous definitions.

[00:18:07] To be clear, we did this with paintings, because we're that kind of nerd.

[00:18:11] We didn't do this with people on the street.

[00:18:13] Hot or Soft.

[00:18:14] In college, we used to play Hot or Soft.

[00:18:16] Yeah, we did.

[00:18:17] Is our friend Emily Hot or Soft?

[00:18:20] Is that door Hot or Soft?

[00:18:22] Soft.

[00:18:23] Yeah, but...

[00:18:24] Come on else.

[00:18:24] We also used to play Guess the Coin Age.

[00:18:27] Yes!

[00:18:28] Around the table during free periods, instead of studying or whatever.

[00:18:34] Talking!

[00:18:35] Bettering ourselves.

[00:18:36] Someone would get their change out and be like, what's the coin age?

[00:18:40] We'd be like, oh, that's 2002.

[00:18:42] This started to happen when cards got banned.

[00:18:45] Yeah.

[00:18:47] I don't know if it was a game, necessarily, but in free periods, when we were supposed to

[00:18:53] be revising, actually, our revision time, we just started making up our own language, which

[00:18:57] was just mispronouncing other things.

[00:18:59] Oh, God.

[00:18:59] Instead of physics, it was physex.

[00:19:02] But this is how I learned how to spell opinion every time, because it's op and ion.

[00:19:07] Sorry, how old were you?

[00:19:08] 17.

[00:19:09] You couldn't spell opinion!

[00:19:10] I always spell it wrong, but now I always spell it correctly, because it's op and ion.

[00:19:15] I don't want to move on from this.

[00:19:17] There's plenty of words that are spelt using the same, like, selection of letters that end

[00:19:24] with I-O-N.

[00:19:25] How are you misspelling opinion?

[00:19:27] I'm not anymore.

[00:19:29] 17!

[00:19:30] Yeah.

[00:19:31] I didn't know how to spell...

[00:19:33] What was it?

[00:19:34] I got the...

[00:19:35] What are they called?

[00:19:36] The thingies to help you spell stuff, like big elephants cause accidents on a small

[00:19:40] level.

[00:19:41] Acronym?

[00:19:42] No, but it was, like, mnemonics.

[00:19:45] Mnemonic!

[00:19:46] Yeah.

[00:19:46] Someone...

[00:19:47] We were doing a spelling distraction experiment in second year, and we had necessary on that,

[00:19:52] and someone went, one collar, two sleeves.

[00:19:54] It was me that said that to you, because I learned that from my creative writing teacher,

[00:20:00] and until that moment, I could never spell it.

[00:20:03] One collar, two sleeves, genius.

[00:20:06] I learned it from a Clarus Bean Lauren Child novel.

[00:20:08] Right.

[00:20:09] Right.

[00:20:10] It's very helpful.

[00:20:11] Yeah.

[00:20:12] Okay, so, Harry's third question are my favourite one.

[00:20:15] Uh-huh.

[00:20:16] I know what this is, I think.

[00:20:18] Shag, marry, kill.

[00:20:19] Bagpuss, Raven, Robbie Rotten.

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:22] Um, I think that this is...

[00:20:24] This is too obvious.

[00:20:26] Yeah, I think you should have made this harder.

[00:20:29] Obviously, it's marry Bagpuss.

[00:20:32] Yeah.

[00:20:33] Fuck Raven.

[00:20:33] Yeah.

[00:20:34] Oh, sorry, it's shag Raven.

[00:20:35] Sorry, sorry.

[00:20:36] And kill Robert Rotten.

[00:20:37] I mean, I wouldn't be happy about killing him, but that's just the way it has to be.

[00:20:41] I think I concur entirely.

[00:20:44] Because you just cannot kill Bagpuss.

[00:20:47] Also, fucking Bagpuss feels a bit...

[00:20:48] I can't fuck Bagpuss either.

[00:20:51] So, found out that my mother's in town, and I found out that they, like, a big part of

[00:20:57] their relationship is Bagpuss.

[00:20:59] What, your mother's relationship with her husband?

[00:21:01] Yes.

[00:21:01] My stepfather.

[00:21:03] Um, technically, yes.

[00:21:05] It's so weird to call him that.

[00:21:06] Because they'd fully...

[00:21:07] You met him how many times?

[00:21:08] Like, four.

[00:21:09] Okay.

[00:21:10] Um, but yeah, I found out Bagpuss is a big part of their relationship.

[00:21:13] In what way?

[00:21:14] Like, it just was, like, some weird cornerstone thing they had in common.

[00:21:17] They have, like...

[00:21:17] Well, my mum accidentally fucked up ordering these mugs, so they have Mrs. and Mrs. Bagpuss

[00:21:22] mugs.

[00:21:23] Oh.

[00:21:23] Oh, that's actually quite sweet.

[00:21:24] Yeah, we...

[00:21:25] It was supposed to be Mr. and Mrs. but anyway.

[00:21:27] Um, and then I was stood there going...

[00:21:30] I haven't told them about the podcast.

[00:21:32] And I gave my brother and his girlfriend Express instructions to not sell them about the podcast.

[00:21:37] So I stood there going, oh, I have so much I could say, but I'm not going to say any of

[00:21:40] it.

[00:21:41] Other than, there's a museum quite nearby.

[00:21:45] Um, so Jonathan has also sent us three questions.

[00:21:49] Oh, hello, Jonathan.

[00:21:50] So we'll read these ones next.

[00:21:52] If each of you had to choose a children's TV show that had the most impact on you as

[00:21:56] a child, what would it be and why?

[00:21:59] Oh my god, I wish I'd thought about this.

[00:22:01] Although I didn't know it was coming, so I couldn't have done.

[00:22:04] Um, oh god.

[00:22:06] Everyone take a minute and think, maybe?

[00:22:09] Maybe stop.

[00:22:10] No, actually, I want to say Rainbow.

[00:22:14] Yeah?

[00:22:15] Yeah, I think that Rainbow...

[00:22:17] Because I was introduced to it very young.

[00:22:20] Um, I was also introduced to Mr. Ben, um, the exact same Christmas that I was introduced

[00:22:25] to Rainbow.

[00:22:26] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:27] And I think that's maybe what started my love of old, slightly shitty TV shows.

[00:22:36] Like, they're not shitty, they're good, but in a kind of cheaply made way.

[00:22:42] And, I mean, you know me.

[00:22:47] You know that my passion is talking about 70s and 80s unusual niche media.

[00:22:54] Especially, like, Rainbow is just my entire brand of humour.

[00:22:59] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:59] So, yeah, I would maybe go with those two.

[00:23:02] Um, I actually don't know.

[00:23:05] Um, I think this one's harder for me and Laura to answer because we don't have as many

[00:23:10] childhood memories as Elsie does.

[00:23:11] We were hit on the head so many times.

[00:23:13] Um, but me, I don't know, this is answering a slightly different question, but I'll just

[00:23:20] do the best I can.

[00:23:21] Me and my boyfriend, when we first started going out, bonded over original Paddington.

[00:23:27] Um.

[00:23:27] Made by Hannah Barbera.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:29] So, probably that because it has real life.

[00:23:34] Real life.

[00:23:34] Impact.

[00:23:35] Actual impact that I can remember.

[00:23:37] That's nice.

[00:23:38] I, yeah, I mean, it's slightly tricky.

[00:23:40] I think that the shows that were actually most influential on me when I was younger were

[00:23:43] not kids' shows, like, or, or kids' movies.

[00:23:48] Some of them were kids' movies.

[00:23:49] But the one I, like, the show I remember watching the most and, like, it being the most sort of

[00:23:54] cherished in my childhood is probably barely on parents.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:57] I enjoyed that when I was a kid as well.

[00:23:59] But influential, it's, it's different.

[00:24:02] It's, like, adult shows.

[00:24:03] Yeah, I'm trying to think of one from, like, our actual era that I would have watched

[00:24:09] not on DVD or video.

[00:24:12] Um.

[00:24:12] We will.

[00:24:13] We can.

[00:24:14] We have plans to address adult shows we watched when we were kids another time.

[00:24:17] Yeah, that would just be a special, though.

[00:24:19] Yeah, yeah, no, just, just to tease.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:23] We like to tease them.

[00:24:24] That's why I'm not answering the question directly, because I might another time.

[00:24:27] So, I also watched, I watched this to death, um, a VHS of The Best of the Muppet Show, which

[00:24:34] I maintain is more for adults than kids.

[00:24:37] But as a kid, I watched it a lot and I love, love, love The Muppets.

[00:24:41] Yeah.

[00:24:41] So, anything by Jim Henson.

[00:24:44] Jonathan also asks, has our, like, has making the podcast led to any funny in real life interactions?

[00:24:52] Um.

[00:24:53] Although, I do, so I remember going, we recently went to a party, uh, for Henry Friend of the

[00:25:01] Pods, 25th.

[00:25:02] And I, we, I spent a lot of the evening talking about the podcast and I don't know why.

[00:25:08] Embarrassing.

[00:25:09] It was like I was being introduced to people and he was saying, these are the girls that

[00:25:13] do the podcast.

[00:25:14] And we were like, oh, oh, okay.

[00:25:17] Uh.

[00:25:18] Any funny real life.

[00:25:20] I, I did enjoy, we, this was, we went out, this was last year sometime in summer last year.

[00:25:26] We met those.

[00:25:27] Those, this wasn't, this was a interaction based on, like, we have a podcast, not because

[00:25:32] of the podcast, if that makes sense.

[00:25:34] It was, which one of you got, her name was Molly, which one of you was talking to her?

[00:25:38] We were all chatting to her.

[00:25:40] She came over to our table and we were, we got talking about it and she went back to

[00:25:45] her table of friends and made them all download it.

[00:25:47] And she downloaded all the episodes in front of us.

[00:25:50] Yeah.

[00:25:50] Like, what a nice girl.

[00:25:51] Which was really sweet and that was a really nice interaction.

[00:25:54] But.

[00:25:54] Yeah.

[00:25:54] I haven't had any others.

[00:25:56] What a boring answer.

[00:25:58] I'm so sorry.

[00:25:59] I can't wait for it to become a part of my daily life.

[00:26:02] Okay, you'll like this one more then.

[00:26:03] If you could interview anyone from children's TV, either shows you've done or not, who would

[00:26:08] it be and why?

[00:26:09] Oh.

[00:26:10] Oh.

[00:26:12] Um.

[00:26:16] I would really like to interview Harry Bat, but in character.

[00:26:23] That's a really good one.

[00:26:25] I mean, I, I like Ian Kirkby a lot, but the chance to meet Harry Bat would just be incredible.

[00:26:31] Also.

[00:26:32] Hackety dog.

[00:26:32] Hackety dog.

[00:26:34] Outcho.

[00:26:34] No.

[00:26:35] Yeah.

[00:26:35] Does like reality play here at all?

[00:26:37] Cause like, I'd love to interview Bagpuss.

[00:26:41] Yeah.

[00:26:41] Phil Fletcher who plays.

[00:26:43] Phil Fletcher.

[00:26:44] I agree.

[00:26:45] Yeah.

[00:26:45] Phil Fletcher.

[00:26:46] Um.

[00:26:47] He, he's a, he's a really cool guy.

[00:26:49] I met him very briefly.

[00:26:50] We asked for a picture and he said no.

[00:26:53] And he said, I'm sorry.

[00:26:54] It's just, you know, it's, it's a bit weird, isn't it?

[00:26:56] And I was like, yeah, no, fair enough.

[00:26:57] People don't know your face.

[00:26:59] So.

[00:27:00] Um.

[00:27:01] The horrible history gang.

[00:27:03] Yes.

[00:27:04] Oh God.

[00:27:05] Yeah.

[00:27:06] But I already know so much about them.

[00:27:08] I don't know if I would need to interview them.

[00:27:10] Okay.

[00:27:10] Like there's nothing I want to know.

[00:27:11] If you were given the opportunity to interview them, you'd have nothing.

[00:27:15] I'd have nothing to ask.

[00:27:16] No, no questions.

[00:27:17] Well, I guess I would have questions.

[00:27:19] Yeah.

[00:27:19] But what about like if you met or got to interview, uh, these people?

[00:27:24] Oh, the League of Gentlemen?

[00:27:26] Yes.

[00:27:26] I mean, they were in Horrible Histories.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:28] But that's not what they're known for.

[00:27:30] No, I know.

[00:27:30] I was trying to remember their name and I could only remember Reese.

[00:27:34] Um.

[00:27:35] Oh, I had one in my head.

[00:27:37] Neil Buchanan.

[00:27:38] Neil Buchanan.

[00:27:40] Yes.

[00:27:41] Andrew Davenport.

[00:27:43] Because there is one question I'm desperate to know and it's how did you make the voice

[00:27:47] of Tiny?

[00:27:48] Mm.

[00:27:48] I need to know.

[00:27:50] Just for that one question, I would love to just spend five minutes in a room with Andrew

[00:27:55] Davenport.

[00:27:56] Um, I'm going to read a note that he sent at the bottom of this, um, email as well because

[00:28:01] it's quite nice.

[00:28:01] He says,

[00:28:02] I probably don't say this enough but your shows are genuinely one of my favourite things

[00:28:06] to listen to.

[00:28:07] I must have worn out Patreon listening to your rainbow episode because it makes me laugh

[00:28:11] so much.

[00:28:12] Thanks for all you do because it really does make a difference even if sometimes it feels

[00:28:16] like you're just throwing stuff into the void.

[00:28:18] There's a whole lot of people who really appreciate the content you make.

[00:28:21] Aww.

[00:28:21] Keep going and I can't wait for new stuff when it arrives.

[00:28:24] Aww.

[00:28:25] That's so nice.

[00:28:26] Thank you.

[00:28:27] Thank you.

[00:28:27] Yeah, we really appreciate you.

[00:28:30] Aww.

[00:28:30] Yeah.

[00:28:31] Oh, I've got one more answer.

[00:28:33] I would really like to, I mean, this is genuinely something I'm thinking about potentially

[00:28:40] doing if it is possible and not creepy.

[00:28:43] I would love to find, like, the kids who were featured on shows, like kids that went on Raven,

[00:28:52] kids that were on, like, game shows, um, the kids from Evacuation, just to talk about

[00:28:58] their experiences of, like, being on set.

[00:29:01] Because I, you don't hear from those people ever.

[00:29:04] They're on a TV show and then they disappear.

[00:29:06] Yeah.

[00:29:07] And, like, Bamzuki, I would love, oh my god, I would love to talk to the kids who made

[00:29:12] Cleed and Clambied.

[00:29:14] I would like to know how they came up with Cleed and Clambied.

[00:29:17] The Technot twins from Bamzuki, I want to talk to them.

[00:29:21] And I want to talk to Richard from Evacuation.

[00:29:24] If you've not seen all of Evacuation, you'll know Richard as the one that threw piss down the

[00:29:28] stairs by accident.

[00:29:30] Threw there.

[00:29:31] He dropped piss down the stairs.

[00:29:34] Have you got any from Discord?

[00:29:36] So, yeah, we have from Sonny Synth Aesthetic.

[00:29:40] Sonny Synth Aesthetic, yep, yep.

[00:29:42] A lot of, there, has three questions.

[00:29:45] Not a good name if you've got a list.

[00:29:47] Yeah.

[00:29:49] I was going to do an impression but it felt mean so I didn't.

[00:29:52] One of them we've covered is the Which UK, British, Welsh animation studio is our favourite.

[00:29:58] And they've actually listed some.

[00:30:03] Cosgrove Hall, McKinnon and Saunders, Calon, Aardman, Ragdoll Productions, Hit Entertainment,

[00:30:10] Hot Animation.

[00:30:10] It's nice to find out that Laura can't read, isn't it?

[00:30:13] Yeah, I'm terrible.

[00:30:15] Opinions.

[00:30:15] I mean, Hit Entertainment is, that's just like the Hollywood studio of kids TV.

[00:30:21] I mean, it's not even just UK, it's kind of global.

[00:30:24] Yeah.

[00:30:25] I don't know what Callum is.

[00:30:28] No, I should know what those are.

[00:30:30] See, this is someone who needs a podcast, not us.

[00:30:32] What are we doing?

[00:30:36] The second one is, what gave you the idea to start the Thoughts TV podcast and what's

[00:30:40] your thoughts on similar podcasts like Queers Gone By?

[00:30:45] Oh, Queers Gone By.

[00:30:46] Yeah.

[00:30:47] Queers Gone By is great.

[00:30:48] It's about kids TV and did they or did they not contribute to the two hosts being gay now?

[00:30:54] Interesting.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:55] I have some answers for that because SheGo definitely made me gay.

[00:30:59] From Kim Possible.

[00:31:01] Yeah.

[00:31:01] Yeah.

[00:31:02] The black and green one.

[00:31:04] Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:05] The question about what gave us the idea to start it, that is all covered in our previous

[00:31:13] Paywall episode, which is me and Meg talking about what it's like to make a podcast.

[00:31:18] I wasn't here so they did an episode without me.

[00:31:22] Go on, give the listeners just a tiny little round of it.

[00:31:25] Okay, I'll give, yeah, alright, fair enough.

[00:31:27] To put it in the most nutshell possible is this is Elsie's baby.

[00:31:31] Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:33] Yeah.

[00:31:33] So I was at a very loose end and working in radio and podcast is what I want to do and

[00:31:47] I had a passion which is a bit of a niche one.

[00:31:50] I knew I had a lot to say about it and I was kind of, I was doing a bit of market research

[00:31:56] and I was just amazed that it didn't exist already.

[00:31:59] So I thought I've got to do it now.

[00:32:02] Yeah.

[00:32:04] Roped Megan to doing it.

[00:32:05] Yeah.

[00:32:08] Roped Megan to doing it.

[00:32:09] Yeah.

[00:32:09] Yeah.

[00:32:09] Yeah.

[00:32:09] That's, we, we've spoken about this at length and I, I'm now sitting here, can't remember

[00:32:14] what, what I actually said, but it was long.

[00:32:17] So.

[00:32:18] Yeah.

[00:32:18] Listen to that.

[00:32:19] For the full answer, please go to.

[00:32:21] I was bored and depressed.

[00:32:24] Cool.

[00:32:25] Yeah.

[00:32:27] And I, well, you, you, Meg, you roped into it first and you guys were recording in your

[00:32:32] tiny room and you guys always sounded like you're having so much fun.

[00:32:36] And then I actually listened to the podcast.

[00:32:37] I was like, yeah, I'm a join.

[00:32:38] I'm going to weasel my way in.

[00:32:40] I'll pay for all my kit, but I want it.

[00:32:42] Oh, she did.

[00:32:42] Yeah.

[00:32:43] Cause yeah, she bought Meg's microphone and stuff.

[00:32:46] But when I sunk money into this.

[00:32:51] I'm up to buy your own equipment.

[00:32:52] I was like, that's fair.

[00:32:54] And their third question is, do the thoughts watch or like anime other than stuff like

[00:32:59] poke Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, et cetera.

[00:33:03] Since shows like Sailor Moon used to air on CITV and there was the pop girl channel for

[00:33:07] those who had cable.

[00:33:08] Laura, this is your time to shine.

[00:33:11] Yeah.

[00:33:11] I really like anime.

[00:33:13] I've made these to watch too.

[00:33:16] Spy X family.

[00:33:17] Yeah.

[00:33:17] Yeah.

[00:33:18] And Yuri on eyes.

[00:33:19] I traded Fleabag for Yuri on eyes with Meg.

[00:33:22] Which I enjoyed.

[00:33:23] Yeah.

[00:33:24] I love anime.

[00:33:25] I've been watching it since I was not.

[00:33:28] We had like when we were kids, not that you guys watched them was Dragon Ball Z.

[00:33:34] Me and my brother loved Dragon Ball Z.

[00:33:36] But now, now I probably watch too much.

[00:33:40] Yeah.

[00:33:41] I can't really give no is the answer.

[00:33:44] I think you'd like Sailor Moon.

[00:33:46] Oh, I'm sure.

[00:33:46] I mean, yes is the answer to the ones that Laura's made us watch.

[00:33:51] We've enjoyed.

[00:33:52] Yeah.

[00:33:52] She generally doesn't make you watch things that you're gonna hate because she knows you.

[00:33:57] Yeah.

[00:33:58] Like I know that.

[00:33:59] But we do put up some resistance.

[00:34:01] Yeah.

[00:34:01] No, actually, when I was in secondary school, I did read and I read all of Death Note and

[00:34:09] I watched some of Death Note.

[00:34:10] I was gonna say you've both seen Death Note?

[00:34:14] Does that seem like Meg's Cup of Tea?

[00:34:16] No, I've seen Summer Vampire Night and Neon Genesis.

[00:34:21] The first anime I watched to sort of, well, the first two, one of them was Vampire Night

[00:34:27] and that show has such a discomforting rug pull that I will not tell people.

[00:34:34] But it's just like, oh, now I'm very uncomfortable and you've made reflecting on this show very

[00:34:40] uncomfortable for me.

[00:34:41] Thanks so much for that.

[00:34:42] And the other one was Bleach, which I watched in a week when I was sick and there's 366

[00:34:47] episodes and I watched all of them.

[00:34:49] So yes.

[00:34:50] Yeah.

[00:34:51] The answer is no, no, yes to that one.

[00:34:53] I know that these two aren't gonna like the, like, shounen.

[00:34:56] They're just not gonna like it.

[00:34:57] So I would never come to you guys with a shounen.

[00:35:02] Kat, I'll take your word for it.

[00:35:03] Yeah.

[00:35:04] I'm gonna go in with your mum's one here.

[00:35:06] Yes, my mum sent a message on Instagram.

[00:35:08] Elsie's granddad once took a group of kids to a TV studio to record Knock Your Block Off,

[00:35:13] a kid's game show.

[00:35:16] Did your mum, in the comments, did she, or the messages?

[00:35:19] Yeah, I messaged her to ask for a follow-up.

[00:35:22] Okay.

[00:35:23] So Elsie has said, tell me more.

[00:35:25] And her mama said he didn't say much about the show other than that there was a lot of

[00:35:31] chanting to knock someone's block off.

[00:35:33] The thing he talked about more was the strict...

[00:35:36] Demarcation.

[00:35:37] Demarcation.

[00:35:38] Oh, God.

[00:35:38] Now I can't read.

[00:35:40] Demarcation of roles of people who work for the TV company.

[00:35:43] Very strong union presence, I believe.

[00:35:45] I don't know if it was BBC or ITVA, but I think it was some kind of quiz.

[00:35:49] And Elsie said, was it kids from his school?

[00:35:51] Because it sounds like he's just abducted a group of kids in Drupaloo.

[00:35:55] And she said, yes, not just random kids he gathered from the streets and alleyways.

[00:36:00] Jesus Christ.

[00:36:01] Yeah, so...

[00:36:02] The north is just littered with orphaned children.

[00:36:05] In alleyways.

[00:36:05] In alleyways.

[00:36:06] Yeah, my dad...

[00:36:08] Not my dad.

[00:36:08] My granddad was a head teacher at various schools.

[00:36:14] So, um...

[00:36:15] He had access to children.

[00:36:17] That sounds like a really cool school trip to be taken to a kids game show.

[00:36:22] That's super dope.

[00:36:22] That's really cool.

[00:36:23] Yeah, better than the fucking Railway Museum, isn't it?

[00:36:25] No, I don't know if it is better than Railway Museum, but...

[00:36:28] I think it is better than Railway Museum.

[00:36:34] And...

[00:36:34] Do you remember the overhead projectors in schools?

[00:36:38] It was like a series of mirrors.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:42] In assemblies, what he would do is he would tell stories and he would draw on it as he

[00:36:48] was telling the stories.

[00:36:50] So that everyone could see it being illustrated in real time, which is where my mum gets her

[00:36:56] artistic...

[00:36:57] That's really cute.

[00:36:58] ...skills from, probably.

[00:37:00] Yeah, he was a very cool man.

[00:37:01] And he was, um, the regional butterfly stroke champion.

[00:37:07] Which was a very strange thing to get into.

[00:37:09] Yeah.

[00:37:09] A bit like, um, aerobics or whatever.

[00:37:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:37:15] What?

[00:37:15] Do you want to read the next?

[00:37:16] Yeah.

[00:37:17] That was my...

[00:37:18] I saw a thing the other day that was, like, asking people...

[00:37:20] I don't know how old they were.

[00:37:21] Presumably younger than us.

[00:37:23] Like, if they recognised various bits of technology.

[00:37:25] And one of them was that overhead projector.

[00:37:28] That, if you didn't have the context, I think would be a little bit difficult.

[00:37:31] To work out what it is.

[00:37:32] Because it's not...

[00:37:33] Yeah, it's a strange technology.

[00:37:35] We had it for, um, hymns.

[00:37:37] Yeah, we had it for hymns.

[00:37:38] On the, like, clear pieces of paper.

[00:37:40] Yes, that's what he used to draw on.

[00:37:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:37:42] And I presume that they've just gone...

[00:37:44] That they're just all taken out of school though.

[00:37:47] I mean, I don't...

[00:37:48] I don't know.

[00:37:49] Why would they be?

[00:37:50] They served a purpose.

[00:37:51] Yeah, I guess...

[00:37:52] Still work.

[00:37:53] They're analogue, aren't they?

[00:37:53] They are analogue.

[00:37:54] Because it's like, yeah, if you have all your hymns on these clear pieces of paper,

[00:37:57] why get rid of the strange looking piece of technology?

[00:38:00] Just...

[00:38:01] But sometimes the kids would really struggle to, like, get it the right way.

[00:38:05] Like, it was upside down.

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:06] Or it was...

[00:38:07] Yeah.

[00:38:07] In my middle school we had hymn books anyway.

[00:38:11] You had hymn books?

[00:38:12] Yeah.

[00:38:12] Everyone had a hymn book.

[00:38:14] And that's where you read your hymns from.

[00:38:17] We had an overhead projector.

[00:38:19] I think because all the hymns we had wouldn't fit in a hymn book.

[00:38:22] We had lots of, like, non-religious fun ones.

[00:38:25] Did anyone have a favourite hymn?

[00:38:28] I really liked Spring Chicken.

[00:38:30] He's got the whole world in his hands.

[00:38:34] He's got the whole wide world.

[00:38:36] In his hands he's got the whole world.

[00:38:40] In his hands he's got the whole world in his hands.

[00:38:44] Really?

[00:38:45] I don't know why I needed a hymn book.

[00:38:46] That's really not my favourite one.

[00:38:48] What's the fire one that I always forget?

[00:38:50] The open the door?

[00:38:52] Colours of Day.

[00:38:53] Colours of Day was my favourite.

[00:38:55] Well, that's an actual, legit sung in churches one.

[00:38:58] I really like that one.

[00:39:00] It's slap.

[00:39:00] It's a great song.

[00:39:02] I loved it when it was Christmas and we got to sing all the Christmas ones.

[00:39:05] Like, Hark the Herald Angels Sing is like...

[00:39:08] That's a carol, not a hymn.

[00:39:10] Okay.

[00:39:11] Splitting hairs.

[00:39:12] But...

[00:39:13] They're his birthday songs.

[00:39:15] It's like the...

[00:39:17] If the church has its own equivalent to heavy metal, that's what Hark the Herald Angels...

[00:39:23] It goes so hard.

[00:39:24] I mean, I know it does.

[00:39:26] There is Christian metal.

[00:39:26] Yeah, I know that it does.

[00:39:28] But, yeah.

[00:39:28] The village that I'm from every year has a carol service around the Christmas tree and

[00:39:34] like the marketplace.

[00:39:35] And we go.

[00:39:36] But we used to go more religiously because my parents used to both be town counsellors.

[00:39:40] Not actually religiously.

[00:39:42] Yeah.

[00:39:43] You actually had to go.

[00:39:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:39:45] Routinely.

[00:39:45] One year, I stood there with my mum and dad and their friends who were all town counsellors

[00:39:51] who'd just been to the pub, were like semi-pissed, were passing around a hip flask full of like

[00:39:59] slojin or something and just fucking wheezing with laughter while these representatives of

[00:40:05] the community purposefully sang the wrong lyrics to the fucking Wise Men song.

[00:40:12] They were just pissing themselves laughing.

[00:40:15] And I was stood there and I was probably about 20 or 19 or 20 and I was like,

[00:40:20] guys.

[00:40:22] People are looking.

[00:40:23] I have a friend, she's Catholic and every year she goes on a pilgrimage.

[00:40:27] It's like a big community.

[00:40:29] It's a big community.

[00:40:30] They all go walking in the same direction.

[00:40:32] They stop off at different places.

[00:40:34] And she was saying to me, Elsie, you don't know how high you can get until you've got high

[00:40:37] off hymns.

[00:40:38] Like just the community singing aspect of it.

[00:40:41] And they honestly go really hard.

[00:40:43] They're catchy tunes.

[00:40:44] The three wise kings of Orient are one in a taxi, one in a car, one on a scooter beeping

[00:40:53] his hooter following yonder star.

[00:40:58] Star of yonder star.

[00:41:01] Such a banger.

[00:41:02] The other one that goes so hard is Glor.

[00:41:11] Hosanna in excelsis.

[00:41:13] Ding dong, Marianne high.

[00:41:14] Yes, that's the one.

[00:41:16] When I was a kid, my school, my choir was on telly.

[00:41:19] I don't know why.

[00:41:21] Was it Songs of Price?

[00:41:22] Yes.

[00:41:23] Maybe.

[00:41:24] I don't.

[00:41:24] We were just taken to this venue and they were like, we're going to practice.

[00:41:27] We practiced before and we were like, we're going to be on TV.

[00:41:29] So everyone, everyone practice.

[00:41:30] Everyone look forward.

[00:41:31] Don't try and see yourself on the camera.

[00:41:33] And then taken to this place.

[00:41:35] Did it.

[00:41:35] Left.

[00:41:36] And I have no idea what it was for, where it went.

[00:41:39] I was in a choir that was on TV.

[00:41:41] You were in a BBC archive singing somewhere.

[00:41:43] Potentially, yeah.

[00:41:43] I was in a choir that was in TV.

[00:41:45] I won't specify the choir, but circa 2009, it was the BBC radio choir of the year.

[00:41:52] And I then went to work in a shop in Battersea.

[00:42:00] And when I, yeah, I discovered when I was being interviewed that the girl who had become my boss

[00:42:08] was from the same place as me.

[00:42:10] And we had both been in this choir at the same time.

[00:42:14] Shout out Dot.

[00:42:15] Yeah.

[00:42:15] And we found pictures of ourselves in this choir.

[00:42:19] It was horrible.

[00:42:20] That's amazing though.

[00:42:21] So they, uh.

[00:42:22] I think she was a lot more committed to it than I was because I think I was only in it

[00:42:25] for like a year.

[00:42:26] Well, she's still a drama kid.

[00:42:27] She's an actress now.

[00:42:28] So.

[00:42:28] Yeah.

[00:42:28] But I became a drama kid.

[00:42:30] Like, I quit that choir because I hated it.

[00:42:32] I, I loved, like we did hymns on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[00:42:35] I loved hymns.

[00:42:36] I thought they were so much fun.

[00:42:37] Um, and then didn't do them in Singapore at all.

[00:42:41] Like that, that just wasn't a thing.

[00:42:42] It's the international school.

[00:42:44] It wasn't religious in any particular direction.

[00:42:46] And then I went to a British school that was Christian, I guess.

[00:42:52] Um, if you went there, you had to go to chapel on Sunday, or if you were of a different faith,

[00:42:57] you had to go and worship.

[00:43:01] Like, they would be like, no, you have to go to temple or wherever you're going.

[00:43:05] Um, because everyone has to engage in some kind of worship.

[00:43:07] Like you couldn't opt out, but they never did hymns except for one time.

[00:43:12] What a waste.

[00:43:13] That's the good thing about it.

[00:43:14] That's the good thing about it.

[00:43:15] They never did hymns ever.

[00:43:16] They tried once.

[00:43:18] We weren't in the normal assembly venue and they tried to make everyone do hymns.

[00:43:21] Mind you, most of these people have never sung a hymn in their entire life.

[00:43:24] What was it?

[00:43:25] What was the hymn?

[00:43:25] I don't remember.

[00:43:26] It was a few different hymns, but it was so funny.

[00:43:29] Because the teachers, mostly British people, and had been teaching at these kind of schools,

[00:43:34] were familiar.

[00:43:35] So they stood up and started singing the hymn.

[00:43:37] You have 18 year olds who've never sung a hymn in their life, pissing themselves laughing

[00:43:40] at their teachers singing hymns.

[00:43:41] One that I remember from assembly.

[00:43:43] I don't know if you know it, but join in if you do.

[00:43:46] I'll be really embarrassed if you don't.

[00:43:48] Okay.

[00:43:48] It went,

[00:43:49] Oh, I've never been to heaven, but I've been told,

[00:43:53] Hand me down my silver trumpet, Gabriel.

[00:43:56] No one?

[00:43:57] No.

[00:43:57] Not, it's ringing a distant bell.

[00:43:59] It rings a bell, but I don't know the words.

[00:44:00] Oh, hand me down.

[00:44:01] Oh, hand me down.

[00:44:02] Oh, hand me down.

[00:44:04] Oh, hand me down.

[00:44:05] Oh, hand me down.

[00:44:05] I don't know if you do.

[00:44:06] It was a great song.

[00:44:07] My favourite was the, we had Easter ones as well.

[00:44:10] Yes, we had Easter ones.

[00:44:12] I'm a spring chicken and I'm having a ball.

[00:44:14] And I don't remember any of the rest of it, but I loved it.

[00:44:16] I liked the one that was about jet planes meeting in the air to be refueled.

[00:44:20] That was the specific autumn one.

[00:44:23] Yeah.

[00:44:24] How did it go?

[00:44:25] Autumn days when the grass is jeweled and the silk inside a chestnut shell.

[00:44:31] Oh, she knows it.

[00:44:32] Jet planes meeting in the air to be refueled.

[00:44:35] All these things I love so well.

[00:44:38] And do you know what?

[00:44:38] What the fuck?

[00:44:39] Even when I was in year three, I was sat there singing this song thinking, who loves that?

[00:44:46] I didn't even know that it happened.

[00:44:49] Who loves that?

[00:44:49] And why does it only happen in autumn?

[00:44:52] It used to happen.

[00:44:53] It doesn't happen anymore, but they used to have to do that to refuel.

[00:44:56] That's amazing.

[00:44:57] But they don't anymore.

[00:44:58] No.

[00:44:59] How old is that song?

[00:45:02] We sung a few of my favourite things sometimes.

[00:45:05] Oh, that's a beautiful song.

[00:45:06] It's a lovely song.

[00:45:07] Do you guys remember there was a car advert in the 2000s?

[00:45:11] Yes.

[00:45:12] That was making a car out of cake.

[00:45:14] It was, yes.

[00:45:16] I don't remember what car company it was, but it was an orange car.

[00:45:19] It was an orange car.

[00:45:19] And it way, way beats the is it cake trend so much before.

[00:45:26] And it had a few of my favourite things.

[00:45:28] I loved that advert.

[00:45:29] And didn't the One Direction Perfume ad use that song as well?

[00:45:33] Fucking, I have no idea.

[00:45:34] I think it did.

[00:45:36] Discord.

[00:45:37] So the last one's from someone named Sam.

[00:45:40] If there was a retro kids TV show channel, what would you want to be on it?

[00:45:43] And I think this is a great question.

[00:45:45] That is, yeah.

[00:45:46] So what are your favourite retro kids TV shows, basically?

[00:45:49] I mean, the ones we've mentioned.

[00:45:51] Do we have to go full tilt and do the programming?

[00:45:54] So what comes on at 3.30?

[00:45:56] We could.

[00:45:57] We could.

[00:45:57] So early in the morning, I would like something nice and calming.

[00:46:04] Like, possibly clangers or something.

[00:46:08] Small films.

[00:46:09] Bluey.

[00:46:09] Really?

[00:46:09] Because I see small films as like a before bed.

[00:46:12] Bedtime.

[00:46:13] Yeah.

[00:46:13] Do you remember the bedtime hour on TV?

[00:46:14] Yeah.

[00:46:15] We should actually do an actual episode on the bedtime hour.

[00:46:18] So we'll not talk about that right now.

[00:46:20] I think we should do, you know, middle of the day.

[00:46:23] You've got to have a show with a lot of reruns that are okay for kids who are sick.

[00:46:28] Right?

[00:46:28] Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:29] I think Tom and Jerry is great for that because you can watch that on end without realising.

[00:46:32] Actually, I think that the midday for kids who are sick should be like the trippiest, weirdest.

[00:46:39] Because that is when you see the strangest shit.

[00:46:42] And loose women.

[00:46:46] Holly and Phil.

[00:46:47] Yeah, what it actually is, is like A Place in the Sun.

[00:46:50] Loose Women.

[00:46:52] And then like Antiques Roadshow.

[00:46:53] I hate property shows.

[00:46:55] Antiques Roadshow is evening.

[00:46:57] Sorry.

[00:46:58] You mean bargain home.

[00:46:58] Cash in the attic.

[00:46:59] Or both probably.

[00:47:00] Or Antiques Road trip.

[00:47:02] That's on in the daytime.

[00:47:04] That's on in the daytime.

[00:47:05] Because I was unemployed and lived in my grandparents' house.

[00:47:07] I got quite familiar with the free daytime TV.

[00:47:10] And now she's unemployed and living in our house.

[00:47:12] Or always advertising like.

[00:47:14] Life insurance.

[00:47:15] Life insurance.

[00:47:16] Funeral insurance.

[00:47:18] Parkinson's pens.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:19] Scottish widows.

[00:47:20] Yeah.

[00:47:21] And those chairs that go up the stairs.

[00:47:23] Yeah.

[00:47:24] Yeah.

[00:47:26] Like ergonomic sofas and stuff.

[00:47:28] I'm like.

[00:47:29] Wow.

[00:47:30] When they say retro.

[00:47:31] Do they mean actually retro?

[00:47:33] Or do they mean.

[00:47:34] Just shit that was on when we were kids.

[00:47:36] If it's stuff that's like not on anymore.

[00:47:38] I guess.

[00:47:39] I don't know.

[00:47:40] If I was ill.

[00:47:41] All I wanted to watch was.

[00:47:43] Watch My Chops.

[00:47:45] Oh.

[00:47:45] I loved Watch My Chops.

[00:47:47] So good.

[00:47:48] I also think that then like.

[00:47:50] There should be a kids version of Watershed.

[00:47:52] Like after a certain time.

[00:47:53] It's like.

[00:47:53] All right.

[00:47:53] We can put on shows that are for older kids.

[00:47:55] My cousins are watching Total Drama Island.

[00:47:58] Which I.

[00:47:59] Have you guys seen it?

[00:48:00] No.

[00:48:00] It's really.

[00:48:01] I think it's Canadian.

[00:48:02] I don't remember what it was on.

[00:48:04] But it's on BBC iPlayer now.

[00:48:05] And my cousins are super into it.

[00:48:07] And it's.

[00:48:08] Like.

[00:48:09] A reality show.

[00:48:11] Animated.

[00:48:11] But like.

[00:48:12] You get a bunch of teens on an island.

[00:48:14] And.

[00:48:14] Like Survivor.

[00:48:15] Sorry.

[00:48:16] How is it animated and a reality show?

[00:48:18] Well it's a reality.

[00:48:19] Like it's.

[00:48:19] The format is.

[00:48:20] Here's.

[00:48:21] Here's a version of Survivor.

[00:48:23] A reality show.

[00:48:24] But it's animated.

[00:48:25] Oh.

[00:48:26] Okay.

[00:48:26] And they have like.

[00:48:27] The kids do different challenges and stuff.

[00:48:29] And they're trying to win money.

[00:48:31] Like it's a competition.

[00:48:32] Reality show.

[00:48:33] That's animated.

[00:48:35] Yeah.

[00:48:35] Something that was on midday.

[00:48:36] When I was sick.

[00:48:38] That I actually really didn't like.

[00:48:39] Was Lockie Leonard.

[00:48:41] Which was an Australian import.

[00:48:43] And also winging it.

[00:48:44] Do you remember winging it Meg?

[00:48:46] Yeah.

[00:48:47] What did you think about that?

[00:48:48] That was Canadian I think.

[00:48:49] I didn't really watch it.

[00:48:51] Okay.

[00:48:51] I just remember it.

[00:48:52] Sorry.

[00:48:53] That was definitely a midday when you're off sick sort of show.

[00:48:57] Three seasons.

[00:48:58] Sorry.

[00:48:58] I was just curious.

[00:48:59] What Lockie Leonard?

[00:49:00] No.

[00:49:00] Winging it.

[00:49:00] Winging it.

[00:49:01] Yeah.

[00:49:01] I hated when I was sick watching Naughty.

[00:49:04] I don't remember why I have such a specific.

[00:49:05] I didn't like Naughty.

[00:49:07] That was on Milkshake I think.

[00:49:09] I didn't.

[00:49:09] Didn't like it.

[00:49:10] On Channel 5.

[00:49:12] I was always suspicious of Naughty.

[00:49:13] Yeah.

[00:49:14] It's a creepy show actually.

[00:49:16] No one likes Naughty.

[00:49:18] CJ says.

[00:49:19] What podcast would you love to collaborate with?

[00:49:24] Queers Gone By.

[00:49:25] Yeah.

[00:49:25] Be a good one.

[00:49:26] Yeah.

[00:49:26] That would marry really well.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:28] It would.

[00:49:29] I don't know how many podcasts.

[00:49:32] Like.

[00:49:33] There are big ones out there that obviously you want the opportunity to collaborate with.

[00:49:39] They'd pitch off their success.

[00:49:42] But.

[00:49:43] They're any true crime kid shows.

[00:49:45] Yeah.

[00:49:45] How relevant.

[00:49:46] How relevant are they.

[00:49:48] What would the collaboration be?

[00:49:50] Yeah.

[00:49:51] Chris Johnson of CBBC Office fame.

[00:49:53] Um.

[00:49:54] He has slash had a podcast called Out of the Broom Cupboard where he interviews broom cupboard

[00:50:01] presenters or ex-broom cupboard presenters.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:04] That's a good idea.

[00:50:05] He also interviewed um Ian Kirkby who played Harry Bat.

[00:50:10] So he sort of bent the formula a little bit for Harry Bat.

[00:50:14] Fair.

[00:50:15] I would.

[00:50:15] You would wouldn't you?

[00:50:16] I would say the thing about the queers gone by is that obviously cut this out if you don't

[00:50:22] want to talk about it.

[00:50:23] Meg finds it has consternation about the fact that me you and other people have openly

[00:50:30] attracted uh admitted to being attracted to animated characters.

[00:50:34] Yeah.

[00:50:35] And Meg just like doesn't get it.

[00:50:37] You can't fuck him.

[00:50:39] That's your that's your remit is it?

[00:50:41] If I can fuck them I'm attracted to them.

[00:50:44] Yeah.

[00:50:48] Well yes.

[00:50:49] I mean I mean that's my line.

[00:50:52] I'm gonna stick with it.

[00:50:53] If he was animated just if they were real I guess.

[00:50:56] Okay what so if the fox from Robin Hood was.

[00:51:01] You mean Robin Hood from Robin Hood he has her name.

[00:51:03] No I have to specify that he's a fox.

[00:51:05] Well yeah.

[00:51:06] So if he was real and he was a fox.

[00:51:08] Yeah.

[00:51:09] Would you fancy him?

[00:51:10] If I was.

[00:51:17] Anthropomorphic fox.

[00:51:18] If I was in that universe.

[00:51:20] Not not so much if they were brought into our universe but if I found myself in theirs.

[00:51:24] Because that's a good point.

[00:51:25] For them to be in ours would be absolutely horrifying.

[00:51:28] Yeah.

[00:51:29] That's a really good point.

[00:51:30] I guess they go.

[00:51:31] You go into theirs.

[00:51:33] No I didn't ask.

[00:51:35] No that's I mean but you were like because you can't fuck them but you could if you went

[00:51:38] into theirs.

[00:51:39] But CJ asked.

[00:51:40] No I mean you could.

[00:51:40] CJ was asking about podcasts.

[00:51:41] You could if they came in two hours.

[00:51:44] Yeah but as demonstrated no.

[00:51:53] Oh my god.

[00:51:56] James Humphrey's high performance podcast because I want to talk to him about Bamzuki.

[00:52:02] I would like to point out that Stephen Bartlett if you're listening.

[00:52:06] Diary of a CEO.

[00:52:07] We actually have a company and we're all CEOs of it.

[00:52:11] So you can.

[00:52:12] Can you get us on?

[00:52:13] Technically we are.

[00:52:14] We're business owners.

[00:52:16] We're business owners.

[00:52:16] Actually.

[00:52:17] We're small businesses.

[00:52:17] No I don't need this.

[00:52:19] Okay.

[00:52:19] Don't ruin it.

[00:52:20] Okay.

[00:52:21] You're a CEO.

[00:52:22] Okay well get me on.

[00:52:24] What am I?

[00:52:25] You're actually nothing.

[00:52:27] No I didn't think so.

[00:52:28] Which is.

[00:52:28] Because you can only give like two roles when you're doing the paperwork.

[00:52:32] What you all need to know everyone is that while Elsie came up with this idea she

[00:52:37] is not the boss.

[00:52:40] I'm the boss.

[00:52:41] Yeah I can't be dealing with that responsibility.

[00:52:43] Yeah no Meg is the boss.

[00:52:44] That's like actually she's the boss.

[00:52:47] And um don't employ these fuckers.

[00:52:50] You're not gonna give me a good reference.

[00:52:52] It was a mistake.

[00:52:54] I'd give you a good reference any day else.

[00:52:55] Thank you.

[00:52:56] You on the other one.

[00:52:57] I.

[00:52:57] I am the reason that we have a business registration.

[00:53:01] Yeah because I made you.

[00:53:02] Because I'm the boss.

[00:53:05] Yeah but I do things you can't do.

[00:53:07] And you do things I can't do.

[00:53:09] And Elsie does things we can't do.

[00:53:10] Do you know what the thing that I do that you can't do is?

[00:53:14] Motivate you.

[00:53:16] Which is why you're the boss.

[00:53:20] I drive a tough ship.

[00:53:23] What?

[00:53:23] Tight ship.

[00:53:24] Tight.

[00:53:25] I row a tight boat.

[00:53:27] My god I saw a thing the other day about how the sheer quantity of English phrases that

[00:53:31] relate back to boats is insane.

[00:53:33] Oh yeah.

[00:53:34] Yeah.

[00:53:35] Tight ship.

[00:53:35] One of them.

[00:53:36] It's because of the.

[00:53:37] We were.

[00:53:38] We did a lot of sailing.

[00:53:39] We did yeah.

[00:53:40] This is Stuart.

[00:53:41] This is from Stuart.

[00:53:43] Yep.

[00:53:43] Do you think the quality of kids TV has lowered in recent years and is streaming the reason

[00:53:48] you think this has happened?

[00:53:49] We've covered this.

[00:53:51] We will address it now but we've covered this a little bit in two different episodes.

[00:53:55] One about the.

[00:53:56] We've covered it a lot.

[00:53:57] Yeah the death.

[00:53:58] Like directly in the death of CITV.

[00:54:00] Yes.

[00:54:00] And then the.

[00:54:02] Was it a bonus episode?

[00:54:03] The what addressing the article.

[00:54:06] Yes.

[00:54:07] Yes the Anne Wood article.

[00:54:09] Yes.

[00:54:09] Um I don't I don't think that streaming is not a contributor.

[00:54:14] Yeah.

[00:54:16] Um I think that in many cases as we have said previously it's quicker and cheaper to reboot

[00:54:25] something old in like a different way than it is to come up with brand new ideas.

[00:54:31] Um and kind of their and and animations are very common because it's cheaper than you know

[00:54:38] people.

[00:54:40] And in that it shouldn't be but they do like to underpay animators.

[00:54:44] Yeah.

[00:54:44] And in that sense like yes we we do we have I mean we do think there are lots of great

[00:54:52] things out there for kids.

[00:54:54] I don't think that streaming is necessarily directly the causation of it but the absence

[00:55:01] of having live channels you know our thoughts on this.

[00:55:06] We think it's a massive detriment to get rid of these.

[00:55:09] I think there's a general divestment in kids media.

[00:55:13] There's sort of a there's a general divestment in lots of things but like it feels like the

[00:55:19] kids are getting left behind.

[00:55:21] Yeah.

[00:55:22] I don't know necessarily how true this is that's how it feels in loads of ways like I

[00:55:27] don't know how much this applies specifically to kids media but I was reading a thing a while

[00:55:32] ago about how the process of making a Netflix show and one of the things they say to their

[00:55:37] writers is this needs to be way simpler because you're sharing attention with a phone.

[00:55:43] So the way in which they make things they write things is to have a programmed expectation

[00:55:49] of a lack of attention in the piece of media which means that things are getting simpler

[00:55:55] and less complex because there's an expectation of divided attention so you need to be able

[00:56:00] to pick shit up immediately even if you've not been watching for five minutes which I think

[00:56:06] is bad.

[00:56:07] I understand why they do this.

[00:56:09] I understand that as a business model because if that's the reality you cater to that reality

[00:56:13] right?

[00:56:14] Yeah.

[00:56:14] But it means that if you are one of the people that pays attention

[00:56:18] it means that the total quality of at least Netflix media has been reducing because you're

[00:56:23] watching stuff that's so simple.

[00:56:26] Yeah you want stuff that relies on the audience to work things out.

[00:56:30] You want something that doesn't condescend to an audience.

[00:56:34] I think there's a place for like head empty entertainment but when head empty entertainment

[00:56:38] is taking up the majority of it it makes the other stuff really special and it makes them

[00:56:44] work really hard.

[00:56:46] So there's a show that I think was amazing.

[00:56:48] It's 1899.

[00:56:50] Very complicated.

[00:56:51] Supposed to have three seasons.

[00:56:53] Very set.

[00:56:53] They knew what they were doing for all three seasons.

[00:56:55] Super complicated plot.

[00:56:57] There's nine languages in the first season and they don't hold anything back.

[00:57:01] It got cancelled.

[00:57:03] Yeah.

[00:57:03] And like that keeps happening.

[00:57:05] Good stuff keeps getting cancelled.

[00:57:07] My dad used to say that it was if it was media for Americans it was too complex and smart

[00:57:12] for them which is my dad has some imperialist perspectives but then you see shows like

[00:57:17] like yes Meg?

[00:57:19] It's just funny.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Pushing Daisies.

[00:57:22] Yeah.

[00:57:22] Which he thought was a victim of that.

[00:57:25] Because I do you think that would have been more at home and British TV?

[00:57:28] Yeah.

[00:57:28] Potentially.

[00:57:29] I think it is a shame because one of the things that you're taught like so I have a

[00:57:35] master's in this subject and one of the things that we're taught is that you don't need

[00:57:43] to hold the audience's hand nearly as much.

[00:57:46] Show not tell.

[00:57:46] Yeah.

[00:57:47] Nearly as much as you think you do right?

[00:57:48] Like people are as smart as you.

[00:57:53] Yeah.

[00:57:53] And are being shown these things and you don't need to say absolutely everything.

[00:57:58] And so what you've just said goes against fundamentally what we teach in this subject

[00:58:06] is media well obviously we know that media changes like fuck me do I know like Instagram changes

[00:58:12] like every two weeks like it's really exhausting to keep up with but things change so quickly

[00:58:18] that we don't change as quickly as they do.

[00:58:21] Oh 100%.

[00:58:22] So we don't cater to the new way of doing things as quickly as.

[00:58:27] So that's I mean that's definitely contributing to the quality of children's media.

[00:58:32] It's like it's easier to just churn out reboots of Thomas the Tank Engine than come up with

[00:58:40] new stuff especially if you know that kids are not necessarily even going to be paying

[00:58:45] attention to it.

[00:58:46] Also there's this overall greater level of like risk perceived by studios to this is more

[00:58:54] movies I think to like there's no mid-budget movies really anymore and then when they invest in

[00:59:02] like a new original one and it fails they lose hundreds of millions so there's like this safety

[00:59:07] with going with known IPs and they're doing it over and over again in all media to be fair

[00:59:11] there's so much teenage I always say it in the wrong order mutant ninja turtles yep yeah

[00:59:18] there's loads and loads of their media even if it's quite good like apparently the most recent

[00:59:23] movies great there's so much of it because it's a safe option.

[00:59:27] I think another thing is when people say going back to the like wording of the question like

[00:59:35] a lot of people say it's not what it used to be or kids TV it's so bad now or this used

[00:59:41] to be so much better like it always even if it's not the intention it always sounds a little

[00:59:46] bit like it's blaming the creators when actually there's a humongous amount of talent and it's

[00:59:55] just being mismanaged like there's just not enough money.

[00:59:58] Yeah they're putting money into other like safe like non-original content.

[01:00:03] Yeah it also like it also annoys me a little bit when parents specifically parents say this because

[01:00:11] if you want your kids to watch what you watch when you you're a child it's there find it and show them

[01:00:17] it.

[01:00:18] I will say one of the things about the like holding your hand through stuff um with going back to

[01:00:23] animate they never do that they they very rarely pause to explain what's going on you just have to buy

[01:00:28] into the world and go with it.

[01:00:30] Yeah you really do just have to accept it.

[01:00:33] That's a feature of Japanese storytelling generally though isn't it?

[01:00:36] Yeah and it's I I think it's a like there's maybe a balance I don't think if you threw

[01:00:42] every single story as that it would it would maybe get a bit much uh especially for a kid they're like

[01:00:48] what's going on but actually if I do it in book cook little cook did they ever explain why one of

[01:00:53] kids ask a lot of questions but they don't not not like that I think they're very accepting of

[01:01:01] things when it comes to like whimsy yeah like well it's a stylistic choice which they don't you know

[01:01:07] which is not what they're thinking but it is like they understand that that's what it is yeah they

[01:01:12] don't care about how about the the how the scale in in in the night garden is so well they don't care

[01:01:19] about the size of the ninky-nunk they don't care about the race relations of peppa pig

[01:01:23] no they don't care about that they just want bright colorful that's where we come in yeah

[01:01:28] one thing I do one thing I do really love and appreciate about the podcast is how much

[01:01:33] I've come to genuinely actively care about this subject like it's not until we started doing this

[01:01:38] it's not something I really thought about um having yeah kids of my own and few young children in

[01:01:47] my life and not being you know have weird interests like me but no but like I I you know I it wasn't

[01:01:55] until like the last year that we that CITV shut down and we were like oh no actually that's serious

[01:02:02] yeah and and I really care about it I really think kids deserve this stuff another thing that Anne Wood

[01:02:08] said was ITV going on to exclusively streaming means that there isn't competition

[01:02:14] so the the two three kids channels aren't competing anymore which leads to less leads to worse quality

[01:02:21] yeah I yeah I agree like I think we I don't remember exactly when but we started putting the stuff we

[01:02:29] were talking about into a slightly different perspective and to like how what what kids tv means

[01:02:35] in a more societal way rather than these abstract sorry concrete delineations between shows we were

[01:02:42] like wait a minute kids tv and then yeah like I don't think I didn't think I'd ever care about this but

[01:02:49] now I care about it quite a bit and there's all these studies now coming out about the iPad kids and

[01:02:53] how that's affected children and their development and it's fucking terrifying um the the short amount of time

[01:03:03] that you like give your kids scream time like the impact of an hour over their lifetime development is insane

[01:03:11] in what way very negative impact on like social development and linguistic development and other kind of

[01:03:17] attention development stuff well I saw a tweet someone said that their kid they're like nine year old kid

[01:03:23] um actually can tell you the difference in his class between kids that were raised on iPads yeah like he

[01:03:33] actually has a word for them like he he knows when he meets a peer that is an iPad kid yeah because

[01:03:39] like you say it like this question is streaming services it's not just streaming services it's iPads

[01:03:45] it's social media it's YouTube so it's like a big nebulous problem that can't you can't put in one place

[01:03:52] it's like quantity over quality now kids have got so much stuff that they can access but the overall

[01:04:01] quality of it has decreased because it's less regulated that's what I appreciate about um

[01:04:09] bagpuss it's like things need to slow down people should be allowed to spend time over a thing yeah

[01:04:15] yeah shall we start our own kids production company shall we yeah do you have any i reckon i reckon between

[01:04:22] the three of us we could knock out some absolute bangers actually i would be the consultant for

[01:04:28] development like neural development and be like yes more color i know an animator related to one yeah

[01:04:34] get we write shit yeah in fact that animator also makes puppets and they're really good my

[01:04:40] because the euro millions is over 120 million right now oh shall we yeah so i um i i have

[01:04:47] um and i did the previous one as well fingers crossed um but i was asked what i'd do with the money

[01:04:52] and i hadn't thought of that but i'm like you know actually production company might be a good idea

[01:04:56] that would be something if i won 120 million on the lottery i would sell production company that would

[01:05:00] be so sick so stewart that's your answer uh we agree um yes normally normal asks what's your

[01:05:08] favorite flavor walker's crisps um brown cocktail it's basically my favorite flavor unless we're

[01:05:16] talking about squares and then it's salt and vinegar squares which are my favorite crisp ever i like the

[01:05:21] paprika ridges is that a walker's crisp i think it is i think it might be although um i don't because

[01:05:29] i didn't say this because i don't want to sound like a prick but in italy they have a flavor of

[01:05:33] crisp that's lime and red peppercorn oh pink peppercorn they're astounding they're really good

[01:05:40] sensations that are similar to that that is walkers walker's sensation yes okay

[01:05:48] walkers if you're listening i'm expecting a great but they're really if you're next time i'll bring

[01:05:54] you something next time i'm going to italy i also really like this is such a boring answer i really

[01:06:00] like the cheese and onion baked version i think the cheese and onion bakes are really good as well

[01:06:05] i like them a lot i unfortunately will never get to try them i also really like the walker sensations

[01:06:13] cheese and like balsamic vinegar oh like that that's really good i don't controversial i don't

[01:06:20] really like crisps yeah this is ridiculous who doesn't like crisps she buys she buys them now and

[01:06:26] again and i always end up finishing yeah i'll have like a couple of them and then i give the

[01:06:30] packet to mech she'll be on her way home from somewhere she'll pop into the shop she'll see

[01:06:34] chipsticks and she'll be like oh yeah i could eat two or three chipsticks and then i eat the rest of her

[01:06:39] chipsticks yeah i really like that's the how it works i really like the salt and vinegar pipers as well

[01:06:45] i think pipers are so much better than kettle chips pipers are from my home county really

[01:06:51] wait which one lincolnshire okay even though actually my home county i was born in hull my

[01:06:58] home county is greater london because that's where my home is yep it's on my id where not this house

[01:07:06] but another house in london it's where i'm registered to vote go get registered yeah oh go get registered

[01:07:12] or you might actually get an 80 pound fine there's fuck me what i don't think there's any point telling

[01:07:17] people to get registered given the registration deadline is next tuesday and this is not going to be

[01:07:21] out before yeah yeah all right new law in fact i actually think this might be out after the election

[01:07:27] new law as of june 18th if you don't register to vote you don't have to vote but if you don't

[01:07:33] register june 18th being the deadline if i just if i voted in the last one am i still registered or do i

[01:07:38] need to do it again you're you've had a vote you've had a voting slip here so you registered you're

[01:07:42] registered here for oh did you did it come through the door yeah we all got one at the same time oh lovely

[01:07:46] all right then because at my brother's house they hadn't registered where they currently were

[01:07:50] living and i was like registered to vote and then cat came in my brother's girlfriend was like oh

[01:07:55] that will be fine if not and i went i have to check this and yeah good thank you yeah i like it when

[01:08:01] i sent the vote it slips through because i admit i'm like oh i'm still registered great so yeah that's

[01:08:06] the walker's question let me look hold on um so hannah dances says don't know if this counts

[01:08:14] so traumatized by the episode of tracy beagle where she collapses and has her appendix out

[01:08:18] i could only re-watch after i actually nearly died from appendicitis and had it removed

[01:08:24] it literally scared me so badly i worried about it every day of my life until my appendix was gone

[01:08:32] oh bless you now i can finally watch this episode again because i'm not going

[01:08:38] watching it isn't going to trigger me dying of appendicitis i don't remember that happening on

[01:08:44] tracy beagle either my dad had appendicitis when he was like 11 and me and my brother were raised in

[01:08:51] the fear that around 11 our appendixes might rupture so it was like wait so you guys get past 11 and then

[01:08:56] you'll be fine a lot of people if they're going on long journeys away from civilization they will have

[01:09:02] it taken out like if they're gonna yeah if they're gonna like go on a expedition to the north pole or

[01:09:08] something they will just take out all the bits of my body i don't get rid of the tonsils while i'm there

[01:09:12] do we have any anything else my boyfriend commented when meg fell down the stairs at my house that was his

[01:09:22] comment yeah when meg fell down the stairs yeah again again on people not quite understanding what

[01:09:28] we wanted from this he wants you to tell the story that's just some words i said any stories

[01:09:33] yeah stories that you tell me not stories i tell everyone else i've fallen down the stairs story do

[01:09:40] the stairs i've fallen down the stairs like two or three times at his house and one of them was the

[01:09:49] first day i ever stayed there i slipped down the stairs and all of his family were in the living room

[01:09:56] and obviously fucking roasted me for it um but the second or third time it happened was in september

[01:10:02] last year and i just slipped down these stairs i don't know what it is about them i was paying

[01:10:06] attention and they kind of go round the corner like you know the steps that kind of go around the corner

[01:10:11] um and i slipped and my foot hit the wall and i kind of slid down the stairs but it really like hurt my

[01:10:21] back hurt my foot and i assume made enough of a noise that everyone in the living room instead of

[01:10:26] roasting me for it was like oh my god are you okay and i got up and i'm obviously like yeah yeah

[01:10:32] yeah i'm fine i'm fine i was in agony i i put my shoes on because we were on our way to watch some

[01:10:39] football or something and by the time by the time we'd gotten out of the car my foot had swollen up

[01:10:46] and i was hobbling and there was a massive bruise on my foot i remember that yeah the bruise was so

[01:10:51] big i was concerned i'd done something worse look at how bruised my leg is right now very bruised

[01:10:57] i look like that as well i'm so bruised everywhere all the time i've got a huge bruise like under my

[01:11:03] arm because i went on holiday and fell off a boat you're so clumsy the christmas just gone my dad

[01:11:10] fell down the stairs at my grandparents house but this was also because my granddad had just

[01:11:16] waxed their lino floor oh so shiny and slippy well yeah here's the thing it's like he waxed it because

[01:11:22] it's it's a lino of wood yeah so it's fit and like i think in my granddad's head he's like yeah it's

[01:11:27] wood so i've gotta i've gotta wax the wood it's like what you just did was make lino lethal

[01:11:34] so my dad got to the bottom bless him my dad like slipped and then slipped more and like

[01:11:39] almost tore his groin he was he shouted so loud and was in so much pain but i was upstairs laughing

[01:11:47] like just pissing myself laughing and having very little sympathy for him so i'm like we should

[01:11:52] have been careful my i remember this the other day my dad we once went on a family holiday

[01:11:57] to cyprus i was about seven or eight and we were at a water park so we were there with um it was me

[01:12:06] my mom and my dad and then my uncle and his like girlfriend at the time her daughter and my dad went

[01:12:13] down this slide at this water park and my uncle came down after him clearly not far enough after him

[01:12:18] so my dad was coming down this side and my uncle clearly came down it a lot faster than my dad did

[01:12:24] landed on my dad's back as they were coming out and bent my dad in half but i the only memory i have

[01:12:31] for the rest of the holiday is my dad sat in a rubber ring in the pool like one of those inflatable

[01:12:38] rings in the pool floating because he was in too much pain to do anything else i love those lazy rivers

[01:12:43] i know that we had to do a layover on the way back we had to lay over in turkey and i would just feel so

[01:12:50] bad about how horrific my dad's journey back to england must have been because i'm pretty certain

[01:12:55] he had to go for physio after this because he was so injured oh my god is that your dad's brother

[01:13:01] that did that yeah and my dad once we once went on holiday to the scottish highlands and we got there

[01:13:07] we were staying at this lock side cottage sorry dad for telling all these stories about your back

[01:13:14] and i went into the cottage my mom and dad like walked down to this lock which was like

[01:13:18] tide also had like it was the tide was out but it was still slippery and stuff my dad wandered out onto

[01:13:24] this rock slipped over immediately my mom wasn't looking and he picked himself back up as if he could

[01:13:32] pretend it hadn't happened and as soon as my mom turned like he basically picked himself up my mom

[01:13:36] turned around and he fell over immediately again in exactly the same way and he had this huge bruise

[01:13:43] all over his back my mom had to drive for the whole holiday because my dad couldn't operate a vehicle

[01:13:49] is this the same holiday because because i know that i know meg's holiday when i think about your

[01:13:54] parents and a lock it makes me think of the seaweed yeah is that what where they harvested some of the

[01:13:59] seaweed brought it in because it is edible but it's not necessarily nice and boiled it and it's a

[01:14:06] a load of scum came off of it and it really made the made the cottage smell so bad did you eat it

[01:14:14] no i didn't no neither did they they tried to though didn't they yeah it's a nice idea for my dad but

[01:14:22] stuff like this tends to happen to our family i think this is the luck that we were talking about

[01:14:27] i i think that your dad would benefit from a lower center of gravity he's been a bit short

[01:14:32] yeah he's quite tall and i don't think it benefits him i also know that on this holiday he forgot to

[01:14:38] take a belt with him and he ended up going into this is a scottish highland so there were no shops

[01:14:44] he ended up going into i think what was like a hiking shop in ullapool and buying a rope no basically

[01:14:51] buying i think it was like a a spare strap for a rucksack

[01:15:06] do you remember when uh was it last year no two years ago my dad almost died on holiday

[01:15:13] yeah when the rock felt he was fishing oh my god and a stone fell off this so you know in

[01:15:19] in um the countryside specifically we're in the lake district and you've got those walls that

[01:15:25] have been built out of essentially boulders yeah just boulders those have been piled on top of each

[01:15:30] other and it's their own weight that's keeping them so there was one of those and then there was a bit

[01:15:34] of a drop and some land near the lake and he was fishing there and some americans on holiday um like

[01:15:43] pushed the wall and it fell down and broke his thing in half his um fishing rod it would have killed

[01:15:52] him if he had been a few meters the other way he would have died and he came back and he told us the

[01:15:58] story and we were like oh my god that's terrible and then we drove past that wall the next day and

[01:16:05] there was a huge chunk of it and we like missing and we looked down there was like a pile of boulders

[01:16:12] it was terrifying like to think of it as terrifying dad is dead so i know do we take this as like

[01:16:20] um he had like a guardian angel that day looking down on him or god really wanted him dead

[01:16:26] are you the luckiest person if you've survived all of these like really close shaves or are you

[01:16:33] unlucky because you keep getting in these situations like there's that one guy who's nearly dead like

[01:16:38] nine times each of them were just like that man who was struck by lightning like six times or

[01:16:42] something like fuck me oh just kill me just kill me had some pretty cool scars though yeah i would

[01:16:49] take no scars no cool scars over being fucking electrocuted just get a tattoo elsie said the

[01:16:56] other day she'd love to be electrocuted by lightning i didn't say that what i didn't say that i didn't

[01:17:02] say that okay i didn't say that you're absolutely twisting my words why would you do that what did

[01:17:07] she say what did you say what i said was there are some mornings when i'm walking to work yeah and i

[01:17:13] think to myself if i could guarantee there was no death i would choose to be struck by lightning so i

[01:17:18] could have a day off okay i thought come on i thought you said it in a less specifics i thought we we talked

[01:17:23] about that first and then you less specifically were like i'd love to get struck by lightning i've had

[01:17:29] days oh yeah where you're walking to work and you think if i cross this road and the car takes me

[01:17:34] out so be it if i die i die yeah i was thinking about that with regard to like i was like if we if

[01:17:41] i had to get injured while we were living here it's probably upper body injuries because if i break my leg

[01:17:45] i'm stuck in the house until it's fixed you are anyway yeah how is that any different from your

[01:17:49] regular life hey i've been leaving more any more messages comments questions the emails i've read

[01:17:59] them oh you've read them okay oh is that is that all we got okay i can ask you some questions now we've

[01:18:06] got we've done time now are you sure you don't want a question by laura all right laura go on then

[01:18:11] you know box full of all the things you never lost what would you reach for first i can't remember

[01:18:18] because i've lost them i forgot about them yeah um oh that jacket i left on the train that's what i

[01:18:24] would also say separate question same condition but you also got a little card explaining what

[01:18:30] happened to it i left a jacket on the train last year it was the first birthday present my boyfriend

[01:18:36] never got me and um i never got it back and thinking about it still i still brings me to tears

[01:18:42] like i miss it i actually really miss it you tried really hard to find a replacement but turns out

[01:18:47] it's really rare yeah it's actually very expensive if you find it uh it's a really boring answer when

[01:18:54] i was a kid i lost a necklace i replaced it the next day because it was like from claire's or

[01:18:58] something and i would just love to know where it went because it was a true mystery yeah that that's

[01:19:03] the like the ones that are true mysteries i'm like what happened to me yeah really you wouldn't

[01:19:08] reclaim your marbles don't be rude i think at the last i was hoping what about you laura i have two

[01:19:16] things uh one i'd forgotten about until the other day one was i lost a psp a pink psp and we were like

[01:19:23] oh it's in the house somewhere uh and then we moved and it wasn't in the house somewhere we moved country

[01:19:28] so it was like we cleared out that fucking house it was not in the house somewhere no idea what

[01:19:33] happened to it i'd like to know what happened to it your parents got sick of you being on it no

[01:19:37] because they were like she's lost the distraction that's what they tell you yeah um and then the

[01:19:44] other one is i lost some earrings that my grandparents gave me that were like gold clatter earrings that

[01:19:49] were actually quite expensive and i lost them on holiday i'd like to know what happened to them

[01:19:53] yeah that's the questions i think that's the question that's the episode that was our postbox

[01:19:58] episode thank you for posting things to us thank you is that all you got is that all you got last

[01:20:05] it was interesting um tomorrow we're recording a very special episode yes we are high school musical

[01:20:15] i can't wait we're all very excited to record high school musical me and we had a great time watching

[01:20:20] yeah and i oh my god it's all it's all i can think about elsie told me the other day that she

[01:20:25] the only thing she could think about after we did that was high school musical too and the other

[01:20:29] night she just sat up watching the songs to high school musical too because it was too late to watch

[01:20:34] yeah i was like why didn't you watch the film she was like it was too late so i was just micro dosing

[01:20:40] because we nearly immediately watched the second one we did yeah and we still should we still should

[01:20:45] we still will we still will yeah i actually haven't seen the third one so whenever ever ever so

[01:20:51] it's not really uh so what i figured it probably wasn't and didn't watch it um also by that time i

[01:20:58] no longer had cable so it was like i'd have to go out of my way oh i only ever watched it on dvd

[01:21:04] yeah me too when i um well that i remember i remember the premiere of high school musical too

[01:21:10] this is for tomorrow but i never watched it when it came out in the cinemas it didn't come out in the

[01:21:14] cinema oh the third one did the third one did sorry but i didn't watch it when it was coming out

[01:21:19] at all because i thought i was above it even at that age and then i got them on dvd that's so good

[01:21:25] and yeah it's sick well look forward to that yeah you lucky lucky paywall people thank you for your

[01:21:33] money thank you for your time thank you for your questions and comments we'll see you soon bye

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