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[00:01:34] My brother-in-law told me that I look like sadness from inside out. Not funny. It is. It is. I don't think you do. You do?

[00:02:09] Well hello, we're back in the studio. Been a while. How are we all doing? I'm a little bit damp. I'm disgustingly ill.

[00:02:19] Yeah. And this is like, I think we've done, how many of these have we done?

[00:02:24] It's like the third or fourth one that we've done and half of them.

[00:02:29] I want to say you're not as sickly as you sometimes come across, but...

[00:02:35] Rude.

[00:02:36] But you do want to say that, but you can't.

[00:02:38] But you get ill quite a lot.

[00:02:40] You do get ill quite a lot.

[00:02:41] I've not been ill like this in a while, though.

[00:02:42] Yeah, you've had a long streak of health.

[00:02:44] I mean, summer.

[00:02:45] Yes.

[00:02:46] Although it's nearly November, so how am I even saying that?

[00:02:50] It's horrible.

[00:02:52] Isn't the passage of time disgusting?

[00:02:54] Yes.

[00:02:55] Anyway, I think we need to address the elephant in the room before we go any further.

[00:02:59] No, I don't think we do.

[00:03:00] Today, Laura is the elephant in the room.

[00:03:02] No, I don't think we need to even talk about anything.

[00:03:03] So what are we doing?

[00:03:04] And I actually think I've made genuinely more of an effort than I would normally make for one of these recordings.

[00:03:11] So if you haven't seen, we did a live show a couple of weeks ago, and I'm the only one who made an effort to dress for the occasion.

[00:03:20] Those two just looked nice.

[00:03:22] Yeah, we did look really nice.

[00:03:24] This is how it goes.

[00:03:26] This is how it goes.

[00:03:27] We dress up for this.

[00:03:28] We're talking about the fact that we're in a studio today and people can see us.

[00:03:34] And so Laura and I have, mostly Laura, has dressed up for the occasion.

[00:03:38] And that's what we're going on about.

[00:03:40] So if you're just listening to this, head over to YouTube because we are also there.

[00:03:46] So, yeah.

[00:03:47] I'd like to also say that, again, I only had to buy one thing for this costume.

[00:03:52] It's the wig.

[00:03:53] I mean, the thing is, it's just kind of, you just, yeah.

[00:03:55] In fact, she's even got a yellow backpack.

[00:03:57] I mean, you can't see it, but she's got a yellow backpack as well.

[00:03:59] But that is just my backpack.

[00:04:01] It is just your backpack.

[00:04:02] Yeah, and me and Laura had an altercation nearly on the way out of the door, didn't

[00:04:07] it?

[00:04:07] Because the traffic on the way here was so bad.

[00:04:10] And I was like, Laura, let's get out the door.

[00:04:11] And she was like, she was still like patting foundation to her face like, I made a mistake

[00:04:16] and I had to do it again.

[00:04:18] But way, way, way more like.

[00:04:20] Yeah, that was, that was mean.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:22] And I went, if you just, if you just fuck off and leave me alone, I'll finish it quicker.

[00:04:25] But you know when like, it's sort of, you're in the middle of like a very calm sort of

[00:04:30] park.

[00:04:32] That's our flat usually.

[00:04:34] But then you hear like two animals having a fight in a tree for like two seconds and

[00:04:41] then it stops.

[00:04:41] And it's like, oh, what was that?

[00:04:43] That was Meg and Laura fighting on the way out of the door.

[00:04:46] It was like, just nice, calm, fuck off.

[00:04:48] Okay.

[00:04:49] What happened?

[00:04:50] I think, I mean, Laura came into my room and was like, I'm sorry for snapping.

[00:04:53] And I was like, I actually think I've been snapping at you all day.

[00:04:57] Like, I think the first thing that Laura said, I asked Elsie to get me a Lucas 8 and Elsie

[00:05:02] said, Lucas 8 sport.

[00:05:03] And Laura said, you know that that's a still one, don't you Meg?

[00:05:05] And I went, yes, Laura, I'm not stupid.

[00:05:08] Well, because like, you always get the fizzy one.

[00:05:10] And I was like, right, she's sick.

[00:05:12] I just want to make sure she's making the right decision.

[00:05:14] But it was like, the first thing I saw her this morning and I was like, fuck off, Laura.

[00:05:18] I can make my own decisions.

[00:05:19] That was so tight.

[00:05:19] Because like, imagine if you had made a mistake and Elsie brought you a sport and you got

[00:05:23] like, oh, that's not the one I wanted.

[00:05:26] I was just looking out for you.

[00:05:28] I'm also like, the reason I'm damp is because this isn't fully dry.

[00:05:32] That isn't fully dry.

[00:05:33] We needed to leave.

[00:05:35] Oh my God, Laura.

[00:05:36] About half an hour before we actually thought we were going to leave.

[00:05:39] She's wearing it.

[00:05:40] No, she's wet.

[00:05:41] She's wearing a dress that is like straight out of the spin cycle.

[00:05:46] Girl's wet.

[00:05:47] She is wet.

[00:05:48] That dress hasn't been spun as well because it's hand wash only.

[00:05:51] Oh my God, Laura, you are soaking.

[00:05:53] Was it worth it for the costume?

[00:05:55] I'm not soaking.

[00:05:57] If you stand up, you'll have left a patch.

[00:05:59] I'm worried that I will.

[00:06:01] No, no, it's okay.

[00:06:02] It's that the top bit is wetter than this bit down here.

[00:06:05] Yeah, I'm okay.

[00:06:07] How are we?

[00:06:08] How are we in general?

[00:06:09] Well, not too bad.

[00:06:12] I'm busy this week.

[00:06:13] I'm really busy.

[00:06:14] Yeah, I don't have the time to have this cold.

[00:06:18] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:20] What are we doing today then?

[00:06:21] I wonder if you can guess.

[00:06:27] Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, you can guess what we're doing.

[00:08:27] I don't even know how well Elsie's ratchet little crown is showing up on.

[00:08:34] She's got a little headband.

[00:08:36] She's made all of the antenna from all the Teletubbies on it.

[00:08:40] Yes, I have.

[00:08:41] And then wore it here.

[00:08:42] All of the aerials.

[00:08:44] So, so.

[00:08:45] Well, I'm proud of it.

[00:08:47] Also, I will say because we're recording this on the 30th of October, which is excellent.

[00:08:51] We blend right in with anyone really because you just go, oh, Halloween.

[00:08:55] We don't because who goes to a Halloween party on the Wednesday, the day before Halloween?

[00:08:59] You either go on Saturday or the day off.

[00:09:02] But it's, you know, excusable.

[00:09:04] So, yeah, we're doing the Teletubbies today.

[00:09:07] Anyway, we've all, we've kind of split the research into three parts because, honest to

[00:09:13] God, so rich off of you for doing this one.

[00:09:16] And I'm so unbelievably ill.

[00:09:19] Yeah, there's a lot.

[00:09:21] There's a lot for Teletubbies.

[00:09:22] A lot, a lot goes on.

[00:09:24] It's got a rich history.

[00:09:26] It's interesting.

[00:09:27] So should we start off with Meg's, Meg's research?

[00:09:32] Because it's kind of the, what it is.

[00:09:34] I'm just going to give you a lowdown on the stuff you might not know.

[00:09:38] So, who's it created by?

[00:09:40] Anne Wood, Andrew Davenport.

[00:09:42] People who have made several appearances onto legends in this world.

[00:09:49] Legends in this world.

[00:09:50] Yeah, we've mentioned them on this show maybe more than any other creator.

[00:09:55] Yeah, in fact, we did one episode essentially specifically about Anne Wood.

[00:10:01] And because we, what was the article?

[00:10:07] Was it?

[00:10:07] The Ladbiber one?

[00:10:07] It wasn't the Ladbiber one.

[00:10:09] It was like a Metro one or something that talked about the.

[00:10:11] Yeah, she responded to memes about Tots TV.

[00:10:15] Which we started.

[00:10:16] Which we kind of started, so yeah.

[00:10:18] So yeah, Anne Wood from, who's responsible for Ragdoll productions.

[00:10:23] So, you know, obviously Tots TV, Rosie and Jim.

[00:10:27] In the Night Garden.

[00:10:29] I don't think Ragdoll did in the night.

[00:10:31] Did a Ragdoll do in the Night Garden?

[00:10:32] I actually don't know if they did.

[00:10:34] I mean, it was a collaboration with Andrew Davenport.

[00:10:36] Oh no, actually they did, they did.

[00:10:37] Okay, that makes sense.

[00:10:38] And then Andrew Davenport, who specifically puppeted and voiced Tiny in Tots TV,

[00:10:45] he wrote Tots TV and she was like responsible for like, I guess,

[00:10:52] in the credits she's responsible for devising it.

[00:10:56] Which I said to...

[00:10:56] Quote unquote devising it.

[00:10:58] I said to Elsie is not a job.

[00:10:59] I don't understand devising.

[00:11:00] Like you've explained devising to me several times.

[00:11:02] I'm like, how is that different from other things?

[00:11:05] I mean, it means that it was her idea.

[00:11:06] That's what it is.

[00:11:07] I mean, but actually it was her idea and Andrew Davenport's idea,

[00:11:12] which you're going to explain, I guess.

[00:11:16] So it began airing in like 1997, finished airing in 2001,

[00:11:23] had 365 original episodes, but they did bring it back in the 2010s.

[00:11:28] I'm not really going to talk too much about that.

[00:11:31] I'll briefly say in my research I found,

[00:11:34] so Anne Wood fully said she does not watch the new one

[00:11:36] and she refuses to watch the new one.

[00:11:38] Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

[00:11:40] But she said the reason why she said it was because all of her shows are like her babies

[00:11:44] and the idea of someone else, like she was like, they might be wonderful.

[00:11:47] It might be great.

[00:11:48] I can't watch someone else do my baby.

[00:11:53] You could have phrased that a lot better.

[00:11:55] I was trying.

[00:11:55] I can't watch someone else do my baby either.

[00:11:58] I was trying really hard.

[00:11:59] What an awful thing to have to watch.

[00:12:01] That's why I took a pause.

[00:12:03] So they were basically approached to pitch something, weren't they?

[00:12:07] Like they were asked to essentially pitch the next big thing.

[00:12:11] Yeah, it was to replace Play Days.

[00:12:13] There was a gap in the schedule.

[00:12:15] Play Days and formerly Play School, massive.

[00:12:20] And then they were, yeah, they were approached

[00:12:23] because they made Tots TV, which was huge.

[00:12:26] So there's like a fantastic documentary that we'll, I guess, link or...

[00:12:33] I mean, I'll probably put clips in from it.

[00:12:36] From the documentary that we've all watched.

[00:12:38] Then Anne said to me, you know, about these two characters.

[00:12:42] How about that we make them for preschool children

[00:12:45] and multiply them, I think it was up to five at first,

[00:12:51] and then put them in a magical land,

[00:12:54] a place where television comes from,

[00:12:57] and have a magic windmill that rules over that land

[00:13:00] and that makes a structure for the programme.

[00:13:03] Children live in a technological world.

[00:13:05] I was very aware of that through being with children

[00:13:09] and having opened a shop and observed children

[00:13:12] and listened to them and their parents.

[00:13:15] And the, like, initial idea came from...

[00:13:21] So the Teletubbies... Oh, my God.

[00:13:24] Whoops.

[00:13:24] The Teletubbies are supposed to be, like, toddlers,

[00:13:28] but the original...

[00:13:29] Andrew Davenport's original idea was to have a kind of, like...

[00:13:33] It was to have two, like, two spacemen

[00:13:37] living at the bottom of a garden.

[00:13:39] Yeah.

[00:13:40] So the Teletubbies kind of look like children

[00:13:43] and kind of look like spacemen.

[00:13:45] Silhouette-wise, yeah.

[00:13:46] Yeah, he said that he was always amazed

[00:13:48] at how spacemen are...

[00:13:51] Putting someone on the moon is an incredible achievement,

[00:13:54] but they get there and they walk like toddlers.

[00:13:58] True.

[00:13:58] And he found that really funny.

[00:14:00] So we had this idea for, you know,

[00:14:04] when things went right,

[00:14:05] they gave each other a big hug

[00:14:07] and when things went wrong,

[00:14:08] they fell on their backs and it was funny.

[00:14:11] And...

[00:14:11] So their world is low gravity.

[00:14:14] Yeah, no, exactly.

[00:14:15] Wasn't he saying, like,

[00:14:18] it was, like, doing...

[00:14:21] At the time, like, in the 90s,

[00:14:23] what was kind of the next big thing that was...

[00:14:27] They wanted to do a show

[00:14:28] that essentially was, like,

[00:14:30] focused on the next big thing

[00:14:31] and what was big in the 90s was...

[00:14:33] Sci-fi.

[00:14:34] Sci-fi and, like, people going into space.

[00:14:36] Some of the sets remind me of, like,

[00:14:39] old days Star Trek.

[00:14:41] Yeah.

[00:14:42] Yeah, it's very 60s Star Trek.

[00:14:44] No, it is.

[00:14:45] It's, like, it's got that...

[00:14:47] I mean, we talk about the Teletubbies in the live show.

[00:14:51] Yeah.

[00:14:52] So there is a section of this

[00:14:53] that I don't think we'll really go into

[00:14:55] in this episode

[00:14:56] because we cover it in the live show,

[00:14:58] which will be available to you guys,

[00:15:01] hopefully, by the time this one goes out.

[00:15:04] But I'd say, like, repeatedly

[00:15:06] that it's really...

[00:15:07] I find it really liminal.

[00:15:09] And I think that that...

[00:15:11] It's in the same way

[00:15:12] that you would find, like...

[00:15:13] You know the, like, alien worlds

[00:15:16] that...

[00:15:17] In the original series of Star Trek

[00:15:19] that they would, like, go off to?

[00:15:21] Like...

[00:15:22] Ah, yes.

[00:15:22] Almost in a, like...

[00:15:23] This rock is made of plaster.

[00:15:25] You look at the world

[00:15:26] and there's nothing but that.

[00:15:28] And then also,

[00:15:29] it's just vast nothingness

[00:15:31] is how it feels.

[00:15:32] I feel that way about the Teletubbies world.

[00:15:35] It's like early CG animation

[00:15:36] when they, like,

[00:15:37] didn't have the fidelity

[00:15:38] to do background stuff

[00:15:39] and it's, like,

[00:15:40] it's just a big room

[00:15:41] with nothing in it

[00:15:42] except for the people.

[00:15:43] And then occasionally

[00:15:44] you've got, like,

[00:15:45] a really sexy human lady

[00:15:46] that's just painted blue.

[00:15:48] Which you don't get in this.

[00:15:50] But, yeah,

[00:15:50] that is how they do the aliens

[00:15:52] in Star Trek.

[00:15:52] I mean, they are colourful.

[00:15:53] They are.

[00:15:54] But they're not sexy

[00:15:55] or painted.

[00:15:56] We knew that we wanted

[00:15:58] to have these full-bodied characters

[00:15:59] that would sing, dance, jump

[00:16:01] and behave

[00:16:01] to all intents and purposes

[00:16:02] with the same range

[00:16:03] of possibilities

[00:16:04] as real children

[00:16:06] aged about one or two.

[00:16:08] They would not be

[00:16:09] fully competent

[00:16:10] at any of the things

[00:16:12] that they were attempting to do

[00:16:13] so that they would

[00:16:15] sometimes fall over

[00:16:16] in certain situations

[00:16:17] or would enjoy falling over.

[00:16:19] We decided

[00:16:19] at a very early stage

[00:16:20] to make these characters

[00:16:22] baby proportions.

[00:16:24] that they would have

[00:16:25] for instance

[00:16:25] shorter legs

[00:16:26] and shorter arms.

[00:16:28] They would have

[00:16:28] a larger head

[00:16:29] in relation to their bodies

[00:16:31] and they would be

[00:16:32] quite tubby

[00:16:34] which is, of course,

[00:16:35] where the name came from.

[00:16:36] So I've got a few more notes

[00:16:38] about the production here actually.

[00:16:40] Because I failed my job.

[00:16:41] Oh, our old logo.

[00:16:42] Oh yes!

[00:16:43] So if you're watching on YouTube

[00:16:44] this is our old logo.

[00:16:46] If you're an OG

[00:16:47] you remember that.

[00:16:48] My mum kindly put it

[00:16:49] on a notebook for me.

[00:16:51] So...

[00:16:52] After an AI

[00:16:52] kindly made it for you.

[00:16:55] Yes, that is correct.

[00:16:57] After Laura

[00:16:57] kindly told the AI

[00:16:58] what...

[00:16:59] Never mind.

[00:17:00] So Anne Wood

[00:17:02] basically felt

[00:17:03] that

[00:17:04] very young children

[00:17:06] were being overlooked

[00:17:07] and a lot more of them

[00:17:08] watched a lot more TV

[00:17:10] than we thought.

[00:17:12] Than they were supposed to.

[00:17:13] Than we...

[00:17:13] Yeah, than we thought originally

[00:17:15] and were better

[00:17:16] at

[00:17:18] making meaning

[00:17:19] from it.

[00:17:20] And she actually

[00:17:21] set up a shop.

[00:17:22] I don't know if it was a shop

[00:17:23] or like a workshop

[00:17:24] or whatever

[00:17:24] where kids could go

[00:17:26] with their parents

[00:17:27] and she would just

[00:17:29] observe and study

[00:17:30] the way that they played.

[00:17:32] So a lot of

[00:17:34] what happens in the show

[00:17:35] is learned from that.

[00:17:37] That makes sense.

[00:17:38] I can see that.

[00:17:40] So they wanted to

[00:17:41] incorporate screens

[00:17:42] somehow

[00:17:43] because that was

[00:17:44] the big new thing

[00:17:45] and kids were

[00:17:46] growing up with them

[00:17:47] and instantly

[00:17:48] it was just a huge

[00:17:49] part of their lives.

[00:17:51] And she thought

[00:17:52] it just feels

[00:17:53] kind of inorganic

[00:17:54] and weird

[00:17:54] to just have screens

[00:17:56] in that world.

[00:17:57] And Andrew Davenport

[00:17:59] basically said

[00:18:00] put it on their tummies.

[00:18:02] And she was like

[00:18:03] oh my god

[00:18:04] you're a genius

[00:18:05] and he kind of is a genius.

[00:18:06] And I said to him

[00:18:07] but I cannot work out

[00:18:09] how to get

[00:18:10] the world of children

[00:18:12] together with

[00:18:13] the world of the characters.

[00:18:14] I can't do this awful thing

[00:18:16] of having a television screen

[00:18:17] it's so boring

[00:18:18] it's not organic

[00:18:19] to the thing.

[00:18:19] And he immediately said

[00:18:21] as I recall

[00:18:22] put the television screens

[00:18:23] on their tummies

[00:18:24] which I thought was

[00:18:25] a stroke of genius.

[00:18:27] Whereupon I said

[00:18:28] in that case

[00:18:28] they'll have to have

[00:18:29] aerials on their heads

[00:18:30] to get the pictures

[00:18:31] and we started to laugh

[00:18:32] about that

[00:18:33] and that was it really.

[00:18:36] That's what they became

[00:18:37] they became these characters

[00:18:38] with tellies in their tummies

[00:18:39] because their tummies are

[00:18:41] for children

[00:18:42] your tummy is something

[00:18:43] that you use quite a lot

[00:18:45] you're very proud of it

[00:18:46] you stick it out

[00:18:46] you move around like this

[00:18:47] and so for

[00:18:49] for the telly tummies

[00:18:50] to really truly be

[00:18:51] off television

[00:18:51] and to love television

[00:18:52] in that respect

[00:18:55] it was very nice

[00:18:55] to place it there.

[00:18:58] I will say that

[00:18:59] the interior

[00:19:00] of the mound thing

[00:19:03] TVs could have been in there.

[00:19:05] Mound.

[00:19:05] Oh yeah

[00:19:06] their dome home.

[00:19:07] Yeah

[00:19:07] their dome home.

[00:19:09] It's got a name though

[00:19:10] hasn't it

[00:19:10] that I forgot

[00:19:11] to write down

[00:19:11] it's like

[00:19:12] the Supertronic

[00:19:15] I don't know

[00:19:17] because the idea

[00:19:18] the idea is that

[00:19:18] they all live

[00:19:19] in the land

[00:19:20] where TV is made

[00:19:21] so it's in like

[00:19:22] the next field

[00:19:24] over

[00:19:24] from

[00:19:25] the Tots house

[00:19:27] the Tubby

[00:19:28] the Tubbytronic

[00:19:29] Superdome

[00:19:30] incredible

[00:19:31] isn't it

[00:19:31] it sounds like

[00:19:32] a Mario Kart

[00:19:33] of course

[00:19:34] so

[00:19:35] so they built

[00:19:36] a massive crater

[00:19:38] they spent a lot

[00:19:39] of BBC money

[00:19:40] building a crater

[00:19:41] in this town

[00:19:42] so our cats

[00:19:42] payers money

[00:19:43] yeah

[00:19:43] and a lot

[00:19:45] of residents

[00:19:45] were very upset

[00:19:47] about it

[00:19:48] so she had to

[00:19:48] go to the council

[00:19:49] and like plead

[00:19:50] with them

[00:19:50] like it's for

[00:19:51] very small children

[00:19:52] you're not even

[00:19:53] going to know

[00:19:54] that it's happening

[00:19:55] and she was just

[00:19:56] so terrified

[00:19:57] that they would have

[00:19:57] to spend even

[00:19:58] more money

[00:19:59] filling it in again

[00:20:00] yeah yeah

[00:20:01] so

[00:20:02] they like

[00:20:03] landscaped

[00:20:04] everything

[00:20:05] because they

[00:20:06] realised really

[00:20:06] early on

[00:20:07] because they

[00:20:08] wanted it to be

[00:20:09] four different

[00:20:09] sized things

[00:20:11] so they needed

[00:20:12] four different

[00:20:13] sized actors

[00:20:14] by quite a

[00:20:16] big gap

[00:20:17] yeah

[00:20:17] and when they

[00:20:18] realised that

[00:20:19] and how big

[00:20:20] these costumes

[00:20:21] were going to be

[00:20:21] they realised

[00:20:23] everything's

[00:20:24] going to have

[00:20:24] to be scaled up

[00:20:25] so the rabbits

[00:20:26] in it

[00:20:27] are a breed

[00:20:28] of giant rabbits

[00:20:30] the Dutch ones

[00:20:31] yes

[00:20:31] so just so

[00:20:33] just so they

[00:20:34] look like

[00:20:35] normal sized rabbits

[00:20:37] that's so cool

[00:20:37] that's very like

[00:20:38] you have to do

[00:20:39] certain stuff

[00:20:39] with models

[00:20:40] like you have to

[00:20:40] slow down the camera

[00:20:41] to make them

[00:20:42] look the right size

[00:20:43] yeah

[00:20:43] there's like

[00:20:44] the opposite

[00:20:44] of that though

[00:20:45] yeah

[00:20:45] I mean there's

[00:20:46] I mean there is

[00:20:47] a lot about the

[00:20:48] production

[00:20:49] I haven't even

[00:20:49] written down

[00:20:50] because I'm

[00:20:51] so poorly

[00:20:51] it's okay

[00:20:52] I have it

[00:20:53] all here

[00:20:54] have you got

[00:20:54] so we're going

[00:20:55] to talk about

[00:20:57] the

[00:20:57] the

[00:20:58] people who

[00:21:00] own the

[00:21:00] location

[00:21:00] not wanting

[00:21:01] to do it

[00:21:03] so

[00:21:04] we've talked

[00:21:05] about this

[00:21:06] briefly

[00:21:06] haven't we

[00:21:07] on

[00:21:08] the

[00:21:09] Tots TV episode

[00:21:10] yeah

[00:21:10] the bonus

[00:21:10] episode

[00:21:11] that we

[00:21:11] recorded

[00:21:11] then

[00:21:12] and

[00:21:13] the

[00:21:14] people

[00:21:14] who

[00:21:14] were

[00:21:14] approached

[00:21:15] to

[00:21:17] for the

[00:21:17] land

[00:21:17] to be

[00:21:18] used

[00:21:18] for them

[00:21:19] to like

[00:21:20] use it

[00:21:20] for the

[00:21:21] TV show

[00:21:21] I really

[00:21:22] lost my

[00:21:23] words

[00:21:23] didn't I

[00:21:25] were

[00:21:26] assured

[00:21:27] that it

[00:21:28] was just

[00:21:28] going to be

[00:21:28] like

[00:21:28] you know

[00:21:29] it's just

[00:21:29] a kids

[00:21:29] TV thing

[00:21:30] it's not

[00:21:31] it's low

[00:21:32] key

[00:21:33] you know

[00:21:33] you're not

[00:21:34] going to have

[00:21:34] you're not

[00:21:35] going to be

[00:21:36] inundated

[00:21:36] with people

[00:21:37] interested in

[00:21:38] this

[00:21:39] would just

[00:21:39] want to

[00:21:39] film here

[00:21:40] and then

[00:21:41] it was

[00:21:42] very humble

[00:21:43] of them

[00:21:43] to think

[00:21:44] that

[00:21:44] it was

[00:21:45] like we

[00:21:46] said

[00:21:46] with the

[00:21:46] high five

[00:21:47] when it

[00:21:47] was basically

[00:21:48] an overnight

[00:21:48] hit

[00:21:49] the show

[00:21:50] yeah

[00:21:50] and they

[00:21:51] had

[00:21:52] well

[00:21:53] overnight

[00:21:55] fame

[00:21:55] but

[00:21:58] huge

[00:21:58] numbers

[00:21:59] of complaints

[00:22:00] yes

[00:22:01] there were

[00:22:01] lots of

[00:22:01] lots of

[00:22:02] complaints

[00:22:02] but

[00:22:04] so

[00:22:04] so many

[00:22:05] people

[00:22:05] were

[00:22:06] interested

[00:22:06] in it

[00:22:06] that

[00:22:07] eventually

[00:22:08] when

[00:22:08] the

[00:22:09] show

[00:22:09] had

[00:22:09] finished

[00:22:10] they

[00:22:12] lots of

[00:22:12] you are

[00:22:13] going to

[00:22:13] know this

[00:22:14] filled

[00:22:15] in

[00:22:15] the

[00:22:16] she dug

[00:22:17] up

[00:22:18] the

[00:22:18] site

[00:22:19] didn't

[00:22:19] she

[00:22:19] the owner

[00:22:20] and made

[00:22:20] a massive

[00:22:21] pond

[00:22:21] out of

[00:22:21] it

[00:22:22] because

[00:22:22] there was

[00:22:22] no way

[00:22:23] to stop

[00:22:23] it was

[00:22:24] I think

[00:22:24] probably

[00:22:24] a similar

[00:22:25] thing

[00:22:25] with

[00:22:25] like

[00:22:25] the

[00:22:25] totts

[00:22:26] tv

[00:22:26] cottage

[00:22:27] people

[00:22:28] were

[00:22:28] like

[00:22:29] jumping

[00:22:29] the fences

[00:22:30] I had

[00:22:30] no idea

[00:22:31] about

[00:22:32] this

[00:22:32] running

[00:22:32] across

[00:22:33] cattle

[00:22:33] fields

[00:22:33] to take

[00:22:34] pictures

[00:22:34] with it

[00:22:35] and

[00:22:36] that's

[00:22:37] why

[00:22:37] she could have

[00:22:37] made

[00:22:37] fucking

[00:22:38] mint

[00:22:38] off

[00:22:38] of

[00:22:38] that

[00:22:38] like

[00:22:39] she could

[00:22:39] have

[00:22:39] turned

[00:22:39] it

[00:22:40] into

[00:22:40] a

[00:22:40] whole

[00:22:40] attraction

[00:22:41] thing

[00:22:41] what if

[00:22:42] you don't

[00:22:42] want to

[00:22:42] have you thought

[00:22:43] about that

[00:22:43] that's fair

[00:22:44] you know

[00:22:45] then

[00:22:45] that's your

[00:22:46] whole job

[00:22:46] and the

[00:22:47] same thing

[00:22:48] happened

[00:22:48] with the

[00:22:48] tots tv

[00:22:49] cottage

[00:22:50] didn't

[00:22:50] I would

[00:22:51] have

[00:22:51] probably

[00:22:51] if it

[00:22:52] were me

[00:22:52] sold

[00:22:53] off the

[00:22:53] land

[00:22:53] to someone

[00:22:53] who

[00:22:54] did

[00:22:54] have

[00:22:55] the

[00:22:55] want

[00:22:55] and

[00:22:55] time

[00:22:56] and

[00:22:56] money

[00:22:56] to turn

[00:23:02] I'm

[00:23:03] gonna

[00:23:03] sell

[00:23:04] it

[00:23:04] because

[00:23:04] people

[00:23:05] were so

[00:23:05] interested

[00:23:06] in the

[00:23:06] show

[00:23:06] that

[00:23:06] they

[00:23:07] had

[00:23:07] to

[00:23:07] bring

[00:23:07] like

[00:23:08] tents

[00:23:09] onto

[00:23:09] set

[00:23:10] so

[00:23:10] that

[00:23:10] the

[00:23:11] actors

[00:23:11] could

[00:23:11] change

[00:23:12] into

[00:23:12] the

[00:23:12] costumes

[00:23:13] without

[00:23:14] being

[00:23:15] photographed

[00:23:15] by the

[00:23:16] press

[00:23:16] journalists

[00:23:17] were

[00:23:19] so

[00:23:19] interested

[00:23:20] in this

[00:23:20] because

[00:23:21] with

[00:23:22] the

[00:23:22] number

[00:23:22] of

[00:23:23] complaints

[00:23:24] we actually

[00:23:24] spoke

[00:23:25] about

[00:23:25] this

[00:23:25] in our

[00:23:26] tots tv

[00:23:27] episode

[00:23:27] so

[00:23:28] I'm

[00:23:28] gonna

[00:23:29] put

[00:23:29] in

[00:23:29] a little

[00:23:30] clip

[00:23:30] from

[00:23:30] one

[00:23:31] of

[00:23:31] our

[00:23:31] previous

[00:23:32] episodes

[00:23:32] in a

[00:23:33] studio

[00:23:33] that's

[00:23:33] not

[00:23:33] as

[00:23:33] well

[00:23:34] lit

[00:23:34] as

[00:23:34] this

[00:23:34] so

[00:23:34] you

[00:23:35] know

[00:23:35] apologies

[00:23:36] for

[00:23:36] that

[00:23:36] local

[00:23:37] staged

[00:23:38] protests

[00:23:38] helicopters

[00:23:39] would

[00:23:40] fly over

[00:23:40] the field

[00:23:41] in which

[00:23:41] it

[00:23:41] was

[00:23:44] the

[00:23:44] actors

[00:23:45] in

[00:23:46] the

[00:23:46] costumes

[00:23:46] visitors

[00:23:47] to

[00:23:47] the

[00:23:48] set

[00:23:48] had

[00:23:48] to

[00:23:48] be

[00:23:48] blindfolded

[00:23:49] for

[00:23:50] fear

[00:23:50] that

[00:23:50] they

[00:23:50] might

[00:23:51] give

[00:23:51] away

[00:23:51] the

[00:23:51] location

[00:23:52] we

[00:23:53] just

[00:23:53] hadn't

[00:23:53] prepared

[00:23:53] for

[00:23:54] that

[00:23:54] kind

[00:24:13] does

[00:24:13] does

[00:24:13] that

[00:24:13] mean

[00:24:13] just

[00:24:14] turn

[00:24:14] it

[00:24:15] up

[00:24:15] yeah

[00:24:15] on

[00:24:16] the

[00:24:17] topic

[00:24:17] of

[00:24:17] the

[00:24:17] production

[00:24:17] um

[00:24:18] anna

[00:24:19] home

[00:24:20] was

[00:24:20] the

[00:24:20] children's

[00:24:21] commissioner

[00:24:22] back

[00:24:22] then

[00:24:23] and

[00:24:23] in

[00:24:24] this

[00:24:24] interview

[00:24:24] not

[00:24:25] sorry

[00:24:25] in

[00:24:25] this

[00:24:25] interview

[00:24:25] this

[00:24:26] documentary

[00:24:26] made

[00:24:27] by

[00:24:27] the

[00:24:27] bbc

[00:24:28] it's

[00:24:29] like

[00:24:29] a

[00:24:29] 40

[00:24:29] minute

[00:24:30] thing

[00:24:30] it's

[00:24:30] on

[00:24:31] youtube

[00:24:31] it's

[00:24:31] really

[00:24:32] good

[00:24:32] um

[00:24:33] i'm

[00:24:33] you

[00:24:34] know

[00:24:34] i'm

[00:24:34] referencing

[00:24:34] it

[00:24:34] a

[00:24:35] lot

[00:24:35] she

[00:24:36] said

[00:24:36] that

[00:24:36] it's

[00:24:37] really

[00:24:37] difficult

[00:24:38] to

[00:24:38] commission

[00:24:39] kids

[00:24:40] tv

[00:24:40] because

[00:24:41] every

[00:24:42] generation

[00:24:42] thinks

[00:24:43] that it's

[00:24:43] worse

[00:24:44] than

[00:24:44] theirs

[00:24:45] because

[00:24:46] nostalgia

[00:24:46] is such

[00:24:47] a

[00:24:47] powerful

[00:24:47] thing

[00:24:48] we

[00:24:49] say

[00:24:49] this

[00:24:51] a lot

[00:24:52] but

[00:24:52] the

[00:24:52] amount

[00:24:52] of

[00:24:53] comments

[00:24:53] we

[00:24:53] get

[00:24:53] on

[00:24:53] instagram

[00:24:54] that's

[00:24:54] like

[00:24:55] the

[00:24:56] oh

[00:24:57] this

[00:24:57] is

[00:25:04] all

[00:25:05] previous

[00:25:05] generations

[00:25:06] are available

[00:25:06] to them

[00:25:07] whereas

[00:25:07] it wasn't

[00:25:08] the case

[00:25:08] for any

[00:25:09] previous

[00:25:09] generation

[00:25:10] yeah

[00:25:10] something

[00:25:11] that

[00:25:11] andrew

[00:25:12] davenport

[00:25:12] has said

[00:25:13] is

[00:25:14] and i'd

[00:25:15] never

[00:25:15] ever

[00:25:15] thought

[00:25:16] about

[00:25:16] this

[00:25:16] so

[00:25:17] play days

[00:25:18] that it

[00:25:18] was

[00:25:19] replacing

[00:25:19] and

[00:25:21] sesame

[00:25:21] street

[00:25:22] 30

[00:25:22] years

[00:25:22] before

[00:25:23] which

[00:25:23] i'm

[00:25:23] going

[00:25:23] to

[00:25:23] talk

[00:25:24] about

[00:25:24] a

[00:25:35] a lot

[00:25:35] of

[00:25:36] people

[00:25:36] creating

[00:25:36] it

[00:25:37] started

[00:25:37] off

[00:25:37] in

[00:25:37] teaching

[00:25:38] so

[00:25:38] the

[00:25:38] way

[00:25:39] that

[00:25:39] it

[00:25:39] used

[00:25:40] to

[00:25:40] be

[00:25:40] is

[00:25:41] you

[00:25:41] would

[00:25:41] have

[00:25:42] an

[00:25:43] adult

[00:25:43] character

[00:25:44] and it

[00:25:44] would

[00:25:44] be

[00:25:44] almost

[00:25:45] like

[00:25:45] a

[00:25:45] classroom

[00:25:45] and

[00:25:46] there

[00:25:46] would

[00:25:46] be

[00:25:46] either

[00:25:46] puppets

[00:25:47] or

[00:25:47] children

[00:25:48] or

[00:25:49] whatever

[00:25:49] and

[00:25:50] it

[00:25:51] would

[00:25:51] be

[00:25:52] a

[00:25:52] kind

[00:25:52] of

[00:25:53] seminar

[00:25:54] almost

[00:25:55] per

[00:25:55] episode

[00:25:56] and

[00:25:57] that

[00:25:58] is

[00:25:58] just

[00:25:58] not

[00:25:59] accurate

[00:25:59] to

[00:26:00] the

[00:26:00] way

[00:26:00] that

[00:26:00] children

[00:26:00] play

[00:26:01] and

[00:26:01] this

[00:26:02] is

[00:26:02] essentially

[00:26:03] the

[00:26:04] first

[00:26:05] show

[00:26:05] for

[00:26:06] very

[00:26:07] young

[00:26:07] children

[00:26:07] that

[00:26:08] just

[00:26:08] had

[00:26:09] characters

[00:26:11] and

[00:26:12] basically

[00:26:13] only

[00:26:13] characters

[00:26:14] like

[00:26:15] them

[00:26:15] on

[00:26:16] their

[00:26:16] level

[00:26:16] doing

[00:26:17] their

[00:26:17] own

[00:26:17] thing

[00:26:18] without

[00:26:18] being

[00:26:19] spoken

[00:26:19] to

[00:26:20] by

[00:26:20] an

[00:26:21] adult

[00:26:21] so

[00:26:21] it

[00:26:22] was

[00:26:22] very

[00:26:22] I mean

[00:26:25] it's

[00:26:25] groundbreaking

[00:26:25] in a lot

[00:26:26] of ways

[00:26:27] Teletubbies

[00:26:28] is

[00:26:28] which

[00:26:29] we will

[00:26:29] talk

[00:26:29] about

[00:26:31] Poe

[00:26:33] couldn't

[00:26:33] make

[00:26:33] the

[00:26:33] tubby

[00:26:33] custard

[00:26:34] machine

[00:26:34] work

[00:26:38] so

[00:26:39] LaLa

[00:26:40] tried

[00:26:41] LaLa

[00:26:42] tried

[00:27:28] LaLa

[00:27:28] couldn't

[00:27:29] make

[00:27:29] the

[00:27:29] tubby

[00:27:29] custard

[00:27:29] machine

[00:27:30] work

[00:27:35] so

[00:27:36] Dipsy

[00:27:37] tried

[00:27:44] I'm

[00:27:44] going to

[00:27:45] rattle off

[00:27:45] the characters

[00:27:45] and the actors

[00:27:46] for you

[00:27:46] so we can

[00:27:47] acknowledge them

[00:27:48] because

[00:27:48] you never

[00:27:49] see their

[00:27:49] faces at

[00:27:50] any point

[00:27:50] so I think

[00:27:51] we should

[00:27:51] hear their

[00:27:51] names

[00:27:52] so

[00:27:52] Tinky

[00:27:53] Winky

[00:27:53] originally

[00:27:54] played by

[00:27:55] Dave

[00:27:55] Thompson

[00:27:55] and

[00:27:56] Simon

[00:27:56] Shelton

[00:27:57] I've

[00:27:57] written

[00:27:57] he's

[00:27:58] the

[00:27:58] largest

[00:27:59] oldest

[00:27:59] and

[00:27:59] most

[00:28:00] purple

[00:28:00] of

[00:28:00] the

[00:28:00] Teletubbies

[00:28:01] and he

[00:28:02] carries a

[00:28:03] handbag

[00:28:03] which means

[00:28:04] nothing

[00:28:06] we will

[00:28:07] circle back

[00:28:08] to that

[00:28:10] Dipsy

[00:28:10] he's

[00:28:11] played by

[00:28:11] John

[00:28:12] Simmet

[00:28:12] and he's

[00:28:13] the green

[00:28:13] one

[00:28:13] I personally

[00:28:14] always interpreted

[00:28:15] Dipsy as

[00:28:16] female

[00:28:16] I haven't got a

[00:28:18] clue why

[00:28:18] I interpreted

[00:28:19] all of them

[00:28:20] as aliens

[00:28:21] really

[00:28:21] the thing is

[00:28:22] I was watching

[00:28:23] it back

[00:28:23] and I was like

[00:28:24] well Dipsy

[00:28:25] and Tinky Winky

[00:28:25] have got male

[00:28:26] voices

[00:28:26] and Lala

[00:28:28] and Poe

[00:28:28] have got

[00:28:28] female

[00:28:29] higher pitched

[00:28:30] voices

[00:28:30] that meant

[00:28:31] nothing to me

[00:28:32] as a kid

[00:28:32] Dipsy's got a

[00:28:33] little bit of a

[00:28:33] falsetto going on

[00:28:34] because when

[00:28:35] you're under

[00:28:35] the age of

[00:28:36] two

[00:28:36] gender is

[00:28:37] meaningless

[00:28:37] to you

[00:28:38] you don't

[00:28:39] have gender

[00:28:40] categories

[00:28:40] under the age

[00:28:41] of two

[00:28:42] you just

[00:28:42] don't

[00:28:42] so it

[00:28:43] doesn't

[00:28:43] matter

[00:28:43] okay

[00:28:44] so I

[00:28:44] interpreted

[00:28:44] Dipsy

[00:28:45] as

[00:28:46] a female

[00:28:47] his face

[00:28:47] is darker

[00:28:48] and according

[00:28:48] it has been

[00:28:49] confirmed

[00:28:50] by the

[00:28:50] creators

[00:28:51] that he

[00:28:51] is supposed

[00:28:52] to be

[00:28:52] interpreted

[00:28:52] as black

[00:28:53] we can all

[00:28:53] agree

[00:28:53] well the

[00:28:54] actor's

[00:28:54] black

[00:28:54] yeah

[00:28:55] and the

[00:28:55] actor's

[00:28:56] black

[00:28:56] Lala

[00:28:57] played by

[00:28:58] Nikki Smedley

[00:28:59] she's the

[00:28:59] yellow one

[00:29:00] Wikipedia

[00:29:01] says that

[00:29:02] Lala is

[00:29:02] sweet

[00:29:03] and likes

[00:29:03] to sing

[00:29:04] and dance

[00:29:04] that's nice

[00:29:06] I'd be happy

[00:29:07] with that

[00:29:07] on my

[00:29:07] gravestone

[00:29:07] it's a

[00:29:08] nice epitaph

[00:29:09] so she

[00:29:10] is

[00:29:10] what's

[00:29:11] she

[00:29:11] called

[00:29:11] again

[00:29:11] Nikki

[00:29:12] Smedley

[00:29:14] Nikki

[00:29:15] Smedley

[00:29:15] yeah

[00:29:16] she

[00:29:16] has got

[00:29:17] a show

[00:29:18] well she's got

[00:29:18] a book

[00:29:19] and a show

[00:29:20] called

[00:29:20] Confessions of a

[00:29:21] Teletubby

[00:29:21] that was

[00:29:23] at Edinburgh

[00:29:23] Fringe

[00:29:24] last year

[00:29:26] I think

[00:29:26] and she's

[00:29:27] still touring

[00:29:28] it around

[00:29:28] I think

[00:29:29] we should go

[00:29:29] see it

[00:29:30] we totally

[00:29:30] should see it

[00:29:31] Poe who's

[00:29:32] played by

[00:29:33] Poi Fanley

[00:29:33] originally is the

[00:29:35] shortest and the

[00:29:35] youngest

[00:29:36] she's the red

[00:29:36] one

[00:29:36] this one

[00:29:40] show creators

[00:29:41] have said

[00:29:41] she's supposed

[00:29:42] to be

[00:29:42] Cantonese

[00:29:43] and apparently

[00:29:43] in the show

[00:29:44] does speak

[00:29:45] in Cantonese

[00:29:45] but I didn't

[00:29:46] find any of

[00:29:47] that while

[00:29:47] I was

[00:29:48] watching it

[00:29:48] also because

[00:29:48] it's like

[00:29:49] even when

[00:29:49] they speak

[00:29:50] in English

[00:29:50] it's quite

[00:29:52] hard to

[00:29:53] necessarily

[00:29:54] clearly pick

[00:29:54] out what

[00:29:55] they're saying

[00:29:55] so if

[00:29:56] one of them

[00:29:57] is speaking

[00:29:57] Cantonese

[00:29:58] I don't know

[00:29:58] how you'd

[00:29:59] manage to

[00:29:59] pick that

[00:30:00] out

[00:30:00] because

[00:30:00] you don't

[00:30:00] know

[00:30:00] any

[00:30:01] Cantonese

[00:30:01] then you've

[00:30:02] got like

[00:30:04] the Nunu

[00:30:05] who's

[00:30:06] played by

[00:30:06] the Hoover

[00:30:07] thing

[00:30:07] yeah he's

[00:30:08] like a

[00:30:08] sentient

[00:30:08] Hoover

[00:30:09] we've got

[00:30:10] one of those

[00:30:11] he's basically

[00:30:11] God

[00:30:12] we killed

[00:30:13] them

[00:30:13] and threw

[00:30:14] them away

[00:30:14] he's the

[00:30:15] minder

[00:30:15] their

[00:30:17] father

[00:30:19] is a

[00:30:19] Hoover

[00:30:20] I think

[00:30:20] he's played

[00:30:20] by Mark

[00:30:21] Dean

[00:30:21] in the

[00:30:22] original

[00:30:23] series

[00:30:23] I mean

[00:30:23] all of

[00:30:24] these

[00:30:24] have

[00:30:45] so there's

[00:30:46] the voice

[00:30:46] trumpets

[00:30:47] oh that's

[00:30:48] right

[00:30:49] yeah

[00:30:49] and then

[00:30:50] so I

[00:30:51] wasn't going

[00:30:52] to mention

[00:30:52] the reboot

[00:30:53] but like

[00:30:54] so there's

[00:30:54] a handful

[00:30:55] of characters

[00:30:56] or a handful

[00:30:57] of actors

[00:30:57] who voice

[00:30:57] these characters

[00:30:58] in both

[00:30:59] so in

[00:31:00] the original

[00:31:00] you've got

[00:31:01] Eric Sykes

[00:31:02] voices

[00:31:02] you know

[00:31:04] Linsley's voice

[00:31:04] to this

[00:31:05] or

[00:31:05] Tim Whitnall

[00:31:07] Rudolph Walker

[00:31:08] but

[00:31:10] in the

[00:31:11] reboot

[00:31:12] in the UK

[00:31:14] you've got

[00:31:15] like

[00:31:16] because it

[00:31:16] was done

[00:31:16] in like

[00:31:16] the 2010s

[00:31:18] you've got

[00:31:18] like

[00:31:18] Fern Cotton

[00:31:19] Jim Broadbent

[00:31:20] big names

[00:31:22] David Walliam

[00:31:24] of course

[00:31:25] Rochelle Hume

[00:31:26] so like

[00:31:27] they've brought

[00:31:27] in

[00:31:28] Rochelle Hume

[00:31:28] from

[00:31:29] Saturdays

[00:31:30] yeah

[00:31:31] they've brought

[00:31:32] in the talent

[00:31:33] for the reboot

[00:31:36] then

[00:31:37] obviously

[00:31:37] you've got

[00:31:38] my least

[00:31:39] favourite

[00:31:39] character

[00:31:40] in the whole

[00:31:41] thing

[00:31:41] which is

[00:31:42] the sun

[00:31:43] baby

[00:31:43] which I think

[00:31:44] really

[00:31:44] you're dressed

[00:31:45] more like

[00:31:45] the sun

[00:31:46] baby

[00:31:46] I do think

[00:31:47] I'm dressed

[00:31:47] more like

[00:31:48] the sun

[00:31:48] baby

[00:31:48] I was gonna

[00:31:49] print out

[00:31:51] like a

[00:31:52] screenshot

[00:31:52] from a TV

[00:31:52] show and

[00:31:53] stick it to

[00:31:53] my stomach

[00:31:53] which would

[00:31:54] make me

[00:31:55] more

[00:31:55] Teletubby

[00:31:56] but I've

[00:31:57] got the

[00:31:57] like the

[00:31:58] blue eyes

[00:31:58] and the pale

[00:31:59] face

[00:31:59] I'm the

[00:31:59] baby

[00:32:00] yeah

[00:32:01] and so

[00:32:03] if you haven't

[00:32:03] seen the

[00:32:05] live show

[00:32:05] or listened

[00:32:06] to me talk

[00:32:06] about anything

[00:32:07] ever

[00:32:08] I was

[00:32:08] terrified

[00:32:09] every conversation

[00:32:10] Meg needs to

[00:32:11] make it clear

[00:32:12] she hates

[00:32:12] the sun

[00:32:13] baby

[00:32:13] in fact

[00:32:14] we were

[00:32:14] watching it

[00:32:15] back and I

[00:32:15] was like

[00:32:16] to this day

[00:32:17] I hate

[00:32:17] the sun

[00:32:18] baby

[00:32:18] I think

[00:32:18] the sun

[00:32:19] baby's worse

[00:32:19] in the new

[00:32:20] one

[00:32:20] sorry

[00:32:21] baby in

[00:32:22] the sun

[00:32:22] can we

[00:32:23] give it

[00:32:23] its full

[00:32:23] name

[00:32:24] it's credited

[00:32:25] as sun

[00:32:26] baby as

[00:32:26] well

[00:32:26] baby in

[00:32:27] the sun

[00:32:27] it is

[00:32:28] so I

[00:32:29] mean

[00:32:29] we're

[00:32:30] definitely

[00:32:30] getting

[00:32:30] information

[00:32:31] from different

[00:32:31] places here

[00:32:32] because

[00:32:33] there's a lot

[00:32:35] of conflicting

[00:32:37] stuff being said

[00:32:38] to me

[00:32:38] but in the

[00:32:39] new one

[00:32:39] it's like

[00:32:40] done with

[00:32:41] better

[00:32:41] CGI

[00:32:42] and better

[00:32:42] VFX

[00:32:43] right

[00:32:43] so it's

[00:32:44] way clearer

[00:32:44] and I

[00:32:45] think

[00:32:45] the

[00:32:46] clarity

[00:32:46] is

[00:32:47] actually

[00:32:47] more

[00:32:47] unsettling

[00:32:48] so do

[00:32:48] we

[00:32:48] think

[00:32:48] that

[00:32:49] the

[00:32:49] sun

[00:32:49] baby

[00:32:49] is

[00:32:50] the

[00:32:50] god

[00:32:50] or the

[00:32:51] nunu

[00:32:51] is

[00:32:51] the

[00:32:51] god

[00:32:52] the

[00:32:52] sun

[00:32:52] baby is

[00:32:52] like

[00:32:52] the god

[00:32:53] and the

[00:32:53] nunu is

[00:32:54] like the

[00:32:54] priest

[00:32:55] I feel like

[00:32:56] the sun

[00:32:56] with a direct

[00:32:57] line to god

[00:32:58] yeah

[00:32:58] the sun

[00:32:58] baby is

[00:32:59] the surveillance

[00:33:00] system

[00:33:00] right

[00:33:01] okay

[00:33:01] we're getting

[00:33:02] into the

[00:33:02] conspiracy

[00:33:03] theories

[00:33:03] early

[00:33:04] so

[00:33:05] normally

[00:33:05] I am

[00:33:06] the one

[00:33:07] who

[00:33:07] for sure

[00:33:08] asks

[00:33:08] these

[00:33:08] questions

[00:33:09] about

[00:33:09] a show

[00:33:09] that the

[00:33:10] creator

[00:33:11] never

[00:33:11] intended

[00:33:11] anyone

[00:33:12] to ask

[00:33:12] right

[00:33:12] but I

[00:33:13] feel like

[00:33:14] for the

[00:33:14] telly

[00:33:14] tummies

[00:33:15] just

[00:33:15] it is

[00:33:17] what it

[00:33:17] is

[00:33:17] you know

[00:33:18] like that's

[00:33:19] one show

[00:33:19] where I'm

[00:33:20] like I

[00:33:20] think asking

[00:33:20] further

[00:33:21] questions

[00:33:21] defeats

[00:33:21] the purpose

[00:33:22] a lot

[00:33:22] of

[00:33:23] I mean

[00:33:23] though

[00:33:24] I would

[00:33:24] say that

[00:33:24] about

[00:33:24] a lot

[00:33:25] of

[00:33:25] ragdoll

[00:33:25] like you

[00:33:26] wouldn't

[00:33:27] ask

[00:33:27] questions

[00:33:27] about

[00:33:28] in

[00:33:28] the

[00:33:28] night

[00:33:28] garden

[00:33:28] who

[00:33:29] would

[00:33:29] be

[00:33:29] so

[00:33:29] stupid

[00:33:29] I've

[00:33:30] tried

[00:33:30] to

[00:33:30] ask

[00:33:31] questions

[00:33:31] about

[00:33:31] in

[00:33:31] the

[00:33:31] night

[00:33:32] garden

[00:33:32] leads

[00:33:32] you

[00:33:32] nowhere

[00:33:33] well

[00:33:33] that

[00:33:34] actually

[00:33:35] neatly

[00:33:36] leads

[00:33:36] me

[00:33:36] on to

[00:33:38] the

[00:33:38] purpose

[00:33:39] of the

[00:33:40] show

[00:33:40] and how

[00:33:40] it

[00:33:40] fulfills

[00:33:41] it

[00:33:41] so

[00:33:42] if

[00:33:42] I

[00:33:43] may

[00:33:43] please

[00:33:44] take

[00:33:44] over

[00:33:45] I've

[00:33:45] got

[00:33:45] nothing

[00:33:45] else

[00:33:45] okay

[00:33:46] great

[00:33:46] okay

[00:33:47] I've

[00:33:47] been

[00:33:47] waiting

[00:33:47] for

[00:33:48] this

[00:34:07] she

[00:34:09] worships

[00:34:10] at the

[00:34:10] altar

[00:34:10] of

[00:34:11] ragdoll

[00:34:11] productions

[00:34:11] I do

[00:34:12] it's so

[00:34:13] true

[00:34:14] Tots TV

[00:34:15] Rosie and

[00:34:15] Jim

[00:34:16] what's

[00:34:17] the car

[00:34:17] one

[00:34:17] Brum

[00:34:18] is it

[00:34:18] Brum

[00:34:19] yeah

[00:34:19] yeah

[00:34:19] yeah

[00:34:20] Teletubbies

[00:34:21] and in

[00:34:21] the night

[00:34:22] garden

[00:34:22] I think

[00:34:23] I probably

[00:34:23] prefer in

[00:34:24] the night

[00:34:24] garden

[00:34:25] I prefer

[00:34:25] in the

[00:34:26] night

[00:34:26] garden

[00:34:26] because

[00:34:27] I've

[00:34:27] in the

[00:34:27] night

[00:34:28] garden

[00:34:28] you can

[00:34:29] sort of

[00:34:29] turn off

[00:34:30] your brain

[00:34:30] and relax

[00:34:31] because it's

[00:34:31] really gently

[00:34:32] coloured

[00:34:32] and the music

[00:34:33] is really

[00:34:33] nice

[00:34:34] whereas the

[00:34:34] Teletubbies

[00:34:35] is a bit

[00:34:35] more alarming

[00:34:37] yeah

[00:34:37] it's slightly

[00:34:39] in the night

[00:34:40] garden

[00:34:40] it's normally

[00:34:41] on at like

[00:34:41] 7 o'clock

[00:34:42] yeah

[00:34:42] it's

[00:34:42] a bedtime

[00:34:44] show

[00:34:44] it's the one

[00:34:45] that's like

[00:34:45] alright kids

[00:34:46] we're gonna

[00:34:46] dial it

[00:34:47] wind it down

[00:34:48] lovely little

[00:34:48] voice

[00:34:50] lovely little

[00:34:50] music

[00:34:51] it's so

[00:34:52] nice

[00:34:52] this

[00:34:53] insane

[00:34:54] it is

[00:34:54] this is in

[00:34:55] the morning

[00:34:55] it's a little

[00:34:56] radioactive

[00:34:56] this is the

[00:34:57] morning one

[00:34:57] this is like

[00:34:58] your kids

[00:34:58] half asleep

[00:34:59] you need

[00:34:59] them to

[00:34:59] wake up

[00:35:00] shove

[00:35:00] on Teletubbies

[00:35:01] yeah

[00:35:02] well

[00:35:02] yeah

[00:35:03] so

[00:35:03] the reason

[00:35:05] that I

[00:35:05] really like

[00:35:06] it is

[00:35:06] because

[00:35:06] nothing

[00:35:07] like it

[00:35:08] went before

[00:35:08] at all

[00:35:09] it's true

[00:35:10] and the way

[00:35:11] that it was

[00:35:12] made is

[00:35:13] very very

[00:35:14] clever

[00:35:15] like again

[00:35:17] I've put in

[00:35:18] that clip

[00:35:18] about

[00:35:18] talking about

[00:35:20] how good

[00:35:20] Andrew Davenport

[00:35:22] is at what

[00:35:22] he does

[00:35:23] so

[00:35:24] he's

[00:35:25] cocaine for

[00:35:25] the under

[00:35:26] twos

[00:35:26] coke for

[00:35:27] the under

[00:35:28] fives

[00:35:28] yeah

[00:35:28] so

[00:35:29] he

[00:35:30] trained

[00:35:31] as a

[00:35:31] speech

[00:35:31] therapist

[00:35:32] and then

[00:35:33] went into

[00:35:33] drama

[00:35:34] I guess

[00:35:35] and

[00:35:37] so many

[00:35:38] of us

[00:35:38] do

[00:35:40] you didn't

[00:35:40] train

[00:35:41] as a

[00:35:41] speech

[00:35:41] no

[00:35:42] I

[00:35:43] didn't

[00:35:43] sorry

[00:35:43] I did the

[00:35:44] little

[00:35:44] finally line

[00:35:45] there

[00:35:45] didn't I

[00:35:45] instead

[00:35:46] of laughing

[00:35:46] I just

[00:35:47] pointed out

[00:35:47] that you

[00:35:47] were wrong

[00:35:48] because it

[00:35:49] wasn't funny

[00:35:50] so all you

[00:35:51] could do

[00:35:51] was

[00:35:54] she's

[00:35:55] a slanderous

[00:35:56] okay

[00:35:57] girl

[00:35:59] I don't

[00:36:00] like sitting

[00:36:00] next to

[00:36:01] you

[00:36:02] she's

[00:36:02] sick

[00:36:02] I know

[00:36:03] that's why

[00:36:03] I have to

[00:36:04] sit here

[00:36:04] I would

[00:36:05] sit

[00:36:05] next to

[00:36:05] I've been

[00:36:05] segregated

[00:36:08] they stay

[00:36:08] next to me

[00:36:09] in the car

[00:36:09] though

[00:36:10] I mean

[00:36:10] yeah well

[00:36:11] no choice

[00:36:12] we couldn't

[00:36:12] stick you on

[00:36:13] the roof

[00:36:13] you'd get

[00:36:13] more sick

[00:36:15] I was well

[00:36:16] hot in that

[00:36:17] car

[00:36:17] he was

[00:36:17] like Mitt

[00:36:18] Romney's

[00:36:19] dog

[00:36:21] what

[00:36:21] no

[00:36:22] dog

[00:36:23] on the

[00:36:24] roof

[00:36:24] yeah

[00:36:24] if you

[00:36:25] don't know

[00:36:25] about

[00:36:26] Mitt

[00:36:26] Romney

[00:36:26] putting his

[00:36:27] dog

[00:36:27] on the

[00:36:27] roof

[00:36:28] I mean

[00:36:28] if you

[00:36:28] don't know

[00:36:28] about

[00:36:28] the

[00:36:28] dog

[00:36:29] on the

[00:36:29] roof

[00:36:29] you're

[00:36:29] too young

[00:36:30] to be

[00:36:30] watching

[00:36:30] this

[00:36:31] I don't

[00:36:31] know

[00:36:31] about

[00:36:31] the

[00:36:32] dog

[00:36:32] on the

[00:36:32] roof

[00:36:33] I'm

[00:36:34] all

[00:36:34] through

[00:36:34] this

[00:36:35] nevermind

[00:36:36] young of

[00:36:37] brain

[00:36:37] young of

[00:36:38] spirit

[00:36:39] it's only

[00:36:39] really a big

[00:36:40] story in

[00:36:40] the midwest

[00:36:41] in the US

[00:36:42] but

[00:36:42] I'm like

[00:36:42] an 80 year

[00:36:43] old woman

[00:36:43] is more

[00:36:44] accurate

[00:36:44] you're wearing

[00:36:45] a wet

[00:36:45] dress

[00:36:46] I don't know

[00:36:46] what you're

[00:36:47] like

[00:36:52] I meant

[00:36:52] to

[00:36:52] but then

[00:36:53] we were

[00:36:53] running

[00:36:53] late

[00:36:54] and I was

[00:36:54] like

[00:36:54] let's

[00:36:55] go

[00:36:55] why

[00:36:55] were we

[00:36:56] running

[00:36:56] late

[00:36:56] because

[00:36:57] there's

[00:36:58] traffic

[00:36:58] so that

[00:36:59] you could

[00:36:59] dress

[00:37:00] yourself

[00:37:00] like

[00:37:01] this

[00:37:02] so

[00:37:02] right

[00:37:03] okay

[00:37:04] it is

[00:37:05] a deeply

[00:37:06] misunderstood

[00:37:07] show

[00:37:08] well please

[00:37:09] yeah

[00:37:10] after the

[00:37:11] first

[00:37:12] transmission

[00:37:12] the

[00:37:13] complaints

[00:37:13] were

[00:37:14] blocking

[00:37:14] the

[00:37:14] BBC

[00:37:15] switchboard

[00:37:15] and

[00:37:16] people

[00:37:17] started

[00:37:17] to write

[00:37:18] you know

[00:37:18] about

[00:37:19] dumbing

[00:37:19] down

[00:37:19] and how

[00:37:20] more or less

[00:37:20] you know

[00:37:21] it was

[00:37:21] against

[00:37:21] government's

[00:37:22] policy

[00:37:22] and you

[00:37:23] know

[00:37:23] we were

[00:37:23] bringing

[00:37:23] television

[00:37:24] into

[00:37:24] distribute

[00:37:25] and all

[00:37:25] this

[00:37:25] kind

[00:37:25] of

[00:37:26] thing

[00:37:26] and that

[00:37:26] was

[00:37:26] more or less

[00:37:27] what our viewers

[00:37:27] thought

[00:37:28] these

[00:37:29] programs

[00:37:29] treat

[00:37:30] children

[00:37:30] like

[00:37:30] idiots

[00:37:30] who are

[00:37:31] incapable

[00:37:31] of

[00:37:31] understanding

[00:37:32] normal

[00:37:32] English

[00:37:36] Teletubbies

[00:37:37] the BBC's

[00:37:38] latest

[00:37:38] program

[00:37:39] for very

[00:37:39] young

[00:37:39] children

[00:37:40] is

[00:37:40] provoking

[00:37:40] a storm

[00:37:41] of

[00:37:41] criticism

[00:37:41] while

[00:37:42] children

[00:37:43] seem

[00:37:43] to be

[00:37:43] entranced

[00:37:44] by the

[00:37:44] four

[00:37:44] colourful

[00:37:44] tubby

[00:37:45] characters

[00:37:45] many

[00:37:46] parents

[00:37:46] and

[00:37:46] nursery

[00:37:47] teachers

[00:37:47] are worried

[00:37:48] about its

[00:37:48] lack

[00:37:48] of

[00:37:48] speech

[00:37:49] content

[00:37:49] and question

[00:37:50] its

[00:37:50] educational

[00:37:51] value

[00:37:51] so

[00:37:52] when

[00:37:52] it

[00:37:53] first

[00:37:53] went

[00:37:53] to air

[00:37:54] it was

[00:37:55] met with

[00:37:56] a lot

[00:37:57] of

[00:38:14] is

[00:38:15] all

[00:38:15] wrong

[00:38:15] I

[00:38:15] can

[00:38:16] see

[00:38:16] where

[00:38:16] this

[00:38:16] is

[00:38:16] going

[00:38:16] yeah

[00:38:17] is

[00:38:17] it

[00:38:18] educational

[00:38:18] though

[00:38:19] here's

[00:38:19] the

[00:38:20] thing

[00:38:20] it's

[00:38:20] for

[00:38:21] the

[00:38:21] under

[00:38:21] twos

[00:38:21] how

[00:38:22] educational

[00:38:22] do you

[00:38:23] need

[00:38:23] to be

[00:38:23] for

[00:38:23] the

[00:38:23] under

[00:38:23] twos

[00:38:24] well

[00:38:25] that's

[00:38:26] what

[00:38:26] I'm

[00:38:26] saying

[00:38:27] so

[00:38:29] it's

[00:38:29] explained

[00:38:30] by

[00:38:30] Andrew

[00:38:31] Davenport

[00:38:31] at

[00:38:31] every

[00:38:32] point

[00:38:32] in

[00:38:32] this

[00:38:33] documentary

[00:38:33] how

[00:38:33] every

[00:38:34] single

[00:38:34] element

[00:38:34] is

[00:38:35] specifically

[00:38:36] designed

[00:38:37] to

[00:38:37] stimulate

[00:38:38] the

[00:38:38] minds

[00:38:39] of

[00:38:39] very

[00:38:39] young

[00:38:40] children

[00:38:40] so

[00:38:41] the

[00:38:41] reason

[00:38:42] that

[00:38:42] it's

[00:38:43] got

[00:38:44] instead

[00:38:45] of

[00:38:45] a

[00:38:45] flat

[00:38:45] landscape

[00:38:46] is

[00:38:46] because

[00:38:47] before

[00:38:49] even

[00:38:49] language

[00:38:50] children

[00:38:51] are

[00:38:51] learning

[00:38:51] about

[00:38:51] spatial

[00:38:52] awareness

[00:38:53] so

[00:38:53] that's

[00:38:54] also

[00:38:54] the

[00:38:55] super

[00:38:55] contrasting

[00:38:55] colors

[00:38:56] that's

[00:38:56] going

[00:38:56] to help

[00:38:56] them

[00:38:57] with

[00:38:57] that

[00:38:57] as

[00:38:57] well

[00:38:57] exactly

[00:38:58] so

[00:38:59] he

[00:38:59] was

[00:38:59] saying

[00:39:00] when

[00:39:00] I'm

[00:39:00] writing

[00:39:00] the

[00:39:00] scripts

[00:39:01] that

[00:39:01] landscape

[00:39:02] gives

[00:39:02] me

[00:39:02] an

[00:39:03] extra

[00:39:03] dimension

[00:39:04] to

[00:39:04] work

[00:39:14] walking

[00:39:15] from

[00:39:15] the

[00:39:17] background

[00:39:17] to

[00:39:18] the

[00:39:18] foreground

[00:39:18] slowly

[00:39:20] getting

[00:39:20] bigger

[00:39:21] disappearing

[00:39:21] behind

[00:39:22] hills

[00:39:22] and

[00:39:23] reappearing

[00:39:24] that's

[00:39:25] utterly

[00:39:26] fascinating

[00:39:26] for a

[00:39:28] child

[00:39:28] that's

[00:39:29] two

[00:39:29] that's

[00:39:29] why

[00:39:29] this

[00:39:29] fucking

[00:39:30] works

[00:39:31] yes

[00:39:31] it's

[00:39:32] body

[00:39:32] sized

[00:39:33] peekaboo

[00:39:33] is what

[00:39:34] it is

[00:39:34] and you

[00:39:35] can spend

[00:39:36] three minutes

[00:39:37] doing that

[00:39:37] and a

[00:39:38] child

[00:39:38] will

[00:39:39] it'll

[00:39:39] get them

[00:39:40] to think

[00:39:40] it'll

[00:39:41] get them

[00:39:41] to start

[00:39:41] predicting

[00:39:42] what's

[00:39:43] going to

[00:39:43] happen

[00:39:44] I once

[00:39:45] sent a

[00:39:47] video

[00:39:47] to my

[00:39:48] cousins

[00:39:48] telling

[00:39:48] them

[00:39:49] I missed

[00:39:49] them

[00:39:49] they were

[00:39:49] like

[00:39:49] two

[00:39:50] maybe

[00:39:51] younger

[00:39:51] and I

[00:39:52] didn't do

[00:39:53] really

[00:39:53] anything

[00:39:54] in this

[00:39:54] video

[00:39:54] other than

[00:39:55] wave at

[00:39:55] them

[00:39:55] and they

[00:39:56] watched

[00:39:56] it

[00:39:57] and were

[00:39:58] absolutely

[00:39:58] laughing

[00:39:58] hysterically

[00:39:59] for 15

[00:40:00] minutes

[00:40:00] kids

[00:40:01] would be

[00:40:01] absolutely

[00:40:02] diverted

[00:40:03] by anything

[00:40:03] yeah

[00:40:04] no exactly

[00:40:05] everything

[00:40:06] in Teletubby

[00:40:07] land is

[00:40:07] designed so

[00:40:08] that it

[00:40:09] can pose

[00:40:09] possibilities

[00:40:10] and if

[00:40:12] you have

[00:40:12] a flat

[00:40:12] landscape

[00:40:13] you can

[00:40:14] hide things

[00:40:15] only in

[00:40:16] very few

[00:40:17] places

[00:40:18] but that's

[00:40:19] not really

[00:40:19] exciting enough

[00:40:20] so the

[00:40:20] landscape

[00:40:21] is designed

[00:40:22] so that

[00:40:22] within it

[00:40:23] you can

[00:40:23] hide things

[00:40:24] when the

[00:40:25] Teletubbies

[00:40:25] walk down

[00:40:26] to camera

[00:40:26] it defines

[00:40:29] their path

[00:40:29] a lot better

[00:40:30] if they're going

[00:40:31] over hills

[00:40:32] so with

[00:40:33] the language

[00:40:35] stuff

[00:40:35] and you

[00:40:36] know

[00:40:36] the many

[00:40:37] many

[00:40:37] complaints

[00:40:38] that

[00:40:38] were

[00:40:39] about

[00:40:40] the

[00:40:42] speech

[00:40:43] in the

[00:40:43] show

[00:40:44] I

[00:40:45] called my

[00:40:46] mum on

[00:40:46] the phone

[00:40:46] a few

[00:40:47] days ago

[00:40:47] because

[00:40:47] she's a

[00:40:48] speech

[00:40:49] therapist

[00:40:49] she's very

[00:40:49] high up

[00:40:50] speech

[00:40:50] therapist

[00:40:51] as well

[00:40:51] she's an

[00:40:52] important

[00:40:52] lady

[00:41:00] so I

[00:41:01] said what

[00:41:01] happened

[00:41:03] with that

[00:41:04] and do you

[00:41:04] agree with

[00:41:05] it

[00:41:05] and was

[00:41:06] it bad

[00:41:06] and if

[00:41:07] it's good

[00:41:07] why is

[00:41:07] it good

[00:41:08] can I make a

[00:41:09] guess what

[00:41:09] you're going

[00:41:09] to say

[00:41:10] I have a

[00:41:10] thought

[00:41:12] under two

[00:41:13] the thing

[00:41:14] you're really

[00:41:14] learning is

[00:41:15] phonemes

[00:41:16] and that's

[00:41:17] what the

[00:41:17] Teletubbies

[00:41:18] are mostly

[00:41:18] doing

[00:41:18] what's that

[00:41:19] you know

[00:41:19] like ah

[00:41:20] but

[00:41:21] like the

[00:41:21] bits of

[00:41:22] like

[00:41:23] the most

[00:41:24] basic elements

[00:41:25] of a word

[00:41:25] of phonemes

[00:41:26] I might be

[00:41:27] mispronouncing

[00:41:27] that's not

[00:41:28] what she

[00:41:28] told me

[00:41:29] but maybe

[00:41:30] I don't

[00:41:31] know

[00:41:31] eh

[00:41:31] is a

[00:41:32] phoneme

[00:41:32] eh oh

[00:41:33] that's two

[00:41:34] phonemes

[00:41:35] yeah

[00:41:35] okay

[00:41:36] no so what

[00:41:37] she said

[00:41:37] like mama

[00:41:38] that's two

[00:41:39] phonemes

[00:41:39] you're learning

[00:41:39] that basic

[00:41:40] stuff

[00:41:40] yeah

[00:41:41] yeah

[00:41:43] so she

[00:41:44] said

[00:41:44] that the

[00:41:45] reason it

[00:41:46] was so good

[00:41:47] is because

[00:41:47] when you're

[00:41:48] talking to a

[00:41:48] child you

[00:41:49] reduce your

[00:41:50] language down

[00:41:51] to very

[00:41:52] few words

[00:41:53] sometimes

[00:41:54] they're not

[00:41:55] even correct

[00:41:55] sometimes it's

[00:41:57] a shortening

[00:41:57] of a word

[00:41:58] and it doesn't

[00:41:59] matter

[00:41:59] because it

[00:42:01] sounds

[00:42:01] my friendly

[00:42:02] for strawberry

[00:42:03] pooda

[00:42:04] why

[00:42:05] no that is

[00:42:06] that is very

[00:42:07] wrong

[00:42:07] that's very

[00:42:08] wrong

[00:42:08] but like

[00:42:09] it's an

[00:42:09] example of

[00:42:10] what you

[00:42:10] do right

[00:42:11] like

[00:42:11] yeah

[00:42:11] you can't

[00:42:12] say strawberry

[00:42:12] I guess

[00:42:13] we'll go

[00:42:13] pooda

[00:42:14] what's wrong

[00:42:15] with

[00:42:15] strobby

[00:42:16] yeah

[00:42:16] strobby

[00:42:17] I'm with

[00:42:19] you

[00:42:19] I don't

[00:42:20] know where

[00:42:20] it came

[00:42:20] from

[00:42:21] and you

[00:42:22] you repeat

[00:42:23] as well

[00:42:24] so the

[00:42:25] a scene

[00:42:26] in the

[00:42:26] telly tubbies

[00:42:27] could have

[00:42:27] like two

[00:42:28] words and

[00:42:28] it'll just

[00:42:29] be repeated

[00:42:29] over and

[00:42:31] over and

[00:42:32] over again

[00:42:33] and that's

[00:42:34] why it's

[00:42:35] good and

[00:42:35] I said to

[00:42:36] her does

[00:42:36] it matter

[00:42:37] that it's

[00:42:37] wrong and

[00:42:38] she said

[00:42:38] no

[00:42:41] there have

[00:42:42] been certain

[00:42:42] anxieties

[00:42:43] expressed about

[00:42:43] the language

[00:42:44] in telly tubbies

[00:42:45] particularly the

[00:42:45] language that

[00:42:46] the telly tubbies

[00:42:47] use which is

[00:42:47] this play

[00:42:48] language based

[00:42:49] on the

[00:42:50] emergent speech

[00:42:51] of a one-year-old

[00:42:51] child

[00:42:52] the child who

[00:43:00] is watching

[00:43:00] telly tubbies

[00:43:01] is perfectly

[00:43:02] perfectly aware

[00:43:03] that the

[00:43:04] telly tubbies

[00:43:05] are speaking

[00:43:05] a play

[00:43:06] language

[00:43:06] that the

[00:43:07] telly tubbies

[00:43:07] are joking

[00:43:08] that it's

[00:43:09] not real

[00:43:09] that the

[00:43:11] whole thing

[00:43:11] is one big

[00:43:12] game

[00:43:12] and that is

[00:43:13] probably why

[00:43:15] we find that

[00:43:16] children tend to

[00:43:17] like telly tubbies

[00:43:17] because it plays

[00:43:18] along with them

[00:43:19] because

[00:43:19] that sound is

[00:43:20] somewhere in

[00:43:21] language

[00:43:21] exactly and

[00:43:23] if you are

[00:43:24] watching tv for

[00:43:26] half an hour a

[00:43:27] day or whatever

[00:43:27] it's not like

[00:43:28] surely it would

[00:43:29] only be detrimental

[00:43:31] if the only

[00:43:32] language you're

[00:43:32] learning is from

[00:43:33] the telly tubbies

[00:43:34] oh yeah if no

[00:43:34] one else spoke

[00:43:35] to you ever

[00:43:35] they're watching it

[00:43:37] for half an hour

[00:43:37] or like not

[00:43:38] even that it's

[00:43:39] 20 minutes long

[00:43:39] isn't it

[00:43:40] yeah it's like

[00:43:40] if you're in

[00:43:41] the world and

[00:43:41] your parents

[00:43:42] are talking to

[00:43:42] you like it

[00:43:43] doesn't matter

[00:43:43] so everything

[00:43:45] about the way

[00:43:46] it looks

[00:43:47] the way it

[00:43:48] sounds just

[00:43:49] every single

[00:43:49] element of it

[00:43:50] was specifically

[00:43:52] designed for

[00:43:53] a purpose

[00:43:53] and they knew

[00:43:54] that and

[00:43:55] they knew

[00:43:56] what made

[00:43:59] kids laugh

[00:43:59] so you know

[00:44:01] something goes

[00:44:02] wrong they

[00:44:03] they fall on

[00:44:04] their backs

[00:44:04] and they all

[00:44:05] laugh at each

[00:44:05] other

[00:44:06] there's a

[00:44:07] scene where

[00:44:08] I mean this is

[00:44:10] just one example

[00:44:11] because this

[00:44:11] happens in the

[00:44:11] show all the

[00:44:12] time

[00:44:13] there's a scene

[00:44:14] where there's

[00:44:14] a puddle

[00:44:15] and one of

[00:44:17] them puts

[00:44:18] their foot in

[00:44:18] the puddle

[00:44:19] and they go

[00:44:19] ugh

[00:44:20] and they don't

[00:44:21] like it

[00:44:22] like when

[00:44:22] you touch

[00:44:23] my dress

[00:44:23] yeah exactly

[00:44:24] like when I

[00:44:25] touch your

[00:44:25] sopping wet

[00:44:27] dress

[00:44:28] and then

[00:44:29] another

[00:44:30] Teletubby

[00:44:30] comes along

[00:44:31] very slowly

[00:44:32] over the

[00:44:32] rolling hills

[00:44:33] you can see

[00:44:34] it coming

[00:44:35] oh look

[00:44:36] it's Lala

[00:44:38] don't put

[00:44:39] your foot

[00:44:40] in the puddle

[00:44:40] Lala

[00:44:41] and then

[00:44:42] that happens

[00:44:43] you know

[00:44:44] three or

[00:44:45] four times

[00:44:45] and it gets

[00:44:46] to the point

[00:44:47] where the

[00:44:47] child

[00:44:47] is predicting

[00:44:49] what's going

[00:44:50] to happen

[00:44:50] and by

[00:44:51] the fourth

[00:44:52] Teletubby

[00:44:52] they don't

[00:44:53] need the

[00:44:54] narration

[00:44:54] anymore

[00:44:54] it's

[00:44:55] it's making

[00:44:56] them feel

[00:44:57] like they've

[00:44:57] worked

[00:44:58] something out

[00:44:58] it's making

[00:44:59] them feel

[00:44:59] empowered

[00:45:00] and they

[00:45:01] know

[00:45:02] what's about

[00:45:03] to happen

[00:45:03] they've learned

[00:45:04] something

[00:45:42] and having

[00:45:51] Andrew

[00:45:53] Davenport

[00:45:53] explain that

[00:45:55] in this

[00:45:57] documentary

[00:45:58] was so

[00:45:59] interesting

[00:46:00] and he

[00:46:01] and Ann

[00:46:02] Wood

[00:46:02] actually

[00:46:02] have

[00:46:03] on

[00:46:03] it's

[00:46:03] on

[00:46:03] YouTube

[00:46:04] an audio

[00:46:05] commentary

[00:46:06] for an

[00:46:06] episode

[00:46:07] of

[00:46:09] In the

[00:46:09] Night

[00:46:10] Garden

[00:46:10] and I'm

[00:46:11] not going

[00:46:12] to repeat

[00:46:12] what they

[00:46:13] said here

[00:46:13] go see

[00:46:14] it

[00:46:16] but

[00:46:18] just

[00:46:18] things that

[00:46:19] they put

[00:46:20] into it

[00:46:21] like

[00:46:21] we

[00:46:24] have

[00:46:24] we're

[00:46:25] having the

[00:46:25] narrator

[00:46:25] say

[00:46:26] don't

[00:46:27] worry

[00:46:28] to

[00:46:28] Iggle

[00:46:29] Piggle

[00:46:29] because

[00:46:30] the world

[00:46:30] is a

[00:46:30] worrying

[00:46:31] place

[00:46:31] for

[00:46:31] children

[00:46:32] and

[00:46:33] this

[00:46:33] is

[00:46:33] something

[00:46:34] that's

[00:46:34] said

[00:46:34] by

[00:46:34] parents

[00:46:34] all

[00:46:35] the

[00:46:35] time

[00:46:35] and

[00:46:36] he's

[00:46:36] lost

[00:46:36] his

[00:46:36] blanket

[00:46:37] and the

[00:46:37] narrator

[00:46:37] says

[00:46:38] don't

[00:46:38] worry

[00:46:39] if I

[00:46:39] lost

[00:46:39] my

[00:46:39] blanket

[00:46:40] I'd

[00:46:41] worry

[00:46:42] I don't

[00:46:43] know how

[00:46:43] you'd

[00:46:43] lose it

[00:46:44] it never

[00:46:44] leaves

[00:46:45] your

[00:46:45] bed

[00:46:46] just

[00:46:47] confirm

[00:46:47] that

[00:46:47] it's

[00:46:48] actually

[00:46:48] true

[00:46:49] you're

[00:46:50] like

[00:46:50] Linus

[00:46:50] from

[00:46:51] from

[00:46:51] peanuts

[00:46:52] it's

[00:46:53] not

[00:46:53] being

[00:46:53] washed

[00:46:54] in

[00:46:54] about

[00:46:54] 10

[00:46:55] years

[00:46:55] because

[00:46:55] I

[00:46:56] think

[00:46:56] if

[00:46:56] it

[00:46:56] goes

[00:46:57] near

[00:46:57] water

[00:46:57] or

[00:46:58] a

[00:46:58] spin

[00:46:58] cycle

[00:46:59] it

[00:46:59] will

[00:46:59] integrate

[00:47:00] I

[00:47:01] had

[00:47:01] to

[00:47:01] like

[00:47:01] we

[00:47:02] I

[00:47:02] think

[00:47:02] we

[00:47:02] all

[00:47:03] have

[00:47:03] a

[00:47:03] version

[00:47:03] of

[00:47:03] that

[00:47:03] in

[00:47:14] it

[00:47:14] was

[00:47:15] on

[00:47:15] the

[00:47:15] heated

[00:47:16] thing

[00:47:16] that's

[00:47:16] why

[00:47:16] oh

[00:47:17] I

[00:47:17] thought

[00:47:18] you

[00:47:18] just

[00:47:18] decided

[00:47:19] to

[00:47:19] wash

[00:47:20] it

[00:47:20] no

[00:47:20] she

[00:47:20] was

[00:47:20] sick

[00:47:21] on

[00:47:21] it

[00:47:21] the

[00:47:21] blue

[00:47:22] thing

[00:47:23] oh

[00:47:23] and

[00:47:24] the

[00:47:24] bear

[00:47:27] oh

[00:47:44] I

[00:47:44] I

[00:47:45] think

[00:47:45] I

[00:47:46] I

[00:47:46] think

[00:47:46] I

[00:47:47] I

[00:47:47] I

[00:47:47] think

[00:47:48] is

[00:47:51] going

[00:47:56] to

[00:48:01] be

[00:48:04] the

[00:48:05] last

[00:48:05] to

[00:48:05] notice

[00:48:06] that

[00:48:06] and

[00:48:07] through

[00:48:07] a

[00:48:07] series

[00:48:07] of

[00:48:08] clues

[00:48:08] that

[00:48:09] build

[00:48:09] up

[00:48:09] across

[00:48:10] the

[00:48:10] scene

[00:48:10] we

[00:48:15] and

[00:48:15] this

[00:48:16] allowing

[00:48:17] the

[00:48:17] child

[00:48:17] to

[00:48:17] stay

[00:48:18] a

[00:48:18] step

[00:48:18] ahead

[00:48:18] of

[00:48:18] the

[00:48:18] action

[00:48:19] allowing

[00:48:20] the

[00:48:20] child

[00:48:20] to

[00:48:20] anticipate

[00:48:21] the

[00:48:21] outcome

[00:48:21] of

[00:48:21] the

[00:48:22] scene

[00:48:22] is

[00:48:22] very

[00:48:23] important

[00:48:23] it

[00:48:23] gives

[00:48:23] them

[00:48:23] a

[00:48:24] great

[00:48:24] deal

[00:48:24] of

[00:48:24] pleasure

[00:48:25] there

[00:48:26] are

[00:48:26] many

[00:48:26] ways

[00:48:26] of

[00:48:26] doing

[00:48:26] this

[00:48:27] one

[00:48:27] is

[00:48:27] as

[00:48:27] in

[00:48:28] this

[00:48:28] case

[00:48:28] by

[00:48:28] building

[00:48:29] up

[00:48:29] through

[00:48:29] clues

[00:48:30] we

[00:48:30] can

[00:48:30] use

[00:48:30] also

[00:48:31] repetition

[00:48:32] don't

[00:48:33] worry

[00:48:33] eagle

[00:48:33] pigle

[00:48:35] and

[00:48:35] here

[00:48:35] we

[00:48:35] see

[00:48:36] a

[00:48:36] very

[00:48:36] common

[00:48:36] response

[00:48:37] that

[00:48:38] eagle

[00:48:38] piggle

[00:48:38] makes

[00:48:44] back

[00:48:45] we

[00:48:46] always

[00:48:46] say

[00:48:46] to

[00:48:46] him

[00:48:46] don't

[00:48:48] worry

[00:48:48] eagle

[00:48:48] piggle

[00:48:48] and

[00:48:49] that's

[00:48:50] our

[00:48:50] response

[00:48:50] to

[00:48:50] what

[00:48:51] we've

[00:48:51] observed

[00:48:51] many

[00:48:52] times

[00:48:52] with

[00:48:52] parents

[00:48:52] and

[00:48:53] children

[00:48:53] who

[00:48:54] seem

[00:48:54] to be

[00:48:54] in

[00:48:54] an

[00:48:55] anxious

[00:48:55] environment

[00:48:55] let's

[00:48:56] not

[00:48:56] worry

[00:48:57] we

[00:48:57] say

[00:48:58] that's

[00:48:59] right

[00:48:59] because

[00:48:59] children

[00:48:59] do

[00:49:00] find

[00:49:00] the

[00:49:00] world

[00:49:00] a

[00:49:00] very

[00:49:00] worrying

[00:49:01] place

[00:49:02] and

[00:49:03] one

[00:49:03] of

[00:49:03] the

[00:49:03] functions

[00:49:04] of

[00:49:04] little

[00:49:04] stories

[00:49:05] like

[00:49:05] this

[00:49:05] where

[00:49:06] the

[00:49:06] world

[00:49:07] is

[00:49:07] constant

[00:49:07] and

[00:49:08] reassuring

[00:49:08] is

[00:49:09] to

[00:49:09] provide

[00:49:10] that

[00:49:10] playful

[00:49:11] place

[00:49:11] where

[00:49:12] a

[00:49:12] child

[00:49:12] can

[00:49:12] go

[00:49:12] to

[00:49:12] make

[00:49:13] sense

[00:49:13] of

[00:49:13] their

[00:49:13] own

[00:49:13] world

[00:49:14] and

[00:49:14] to

[00:49:15] alleviate

[00:49:15] their

[00:49:15] own

[00:49:16] anxiety

[00:49:16] they

[00:49:17] also

[00:49:17] put

[00:49:17] in

[00:49:18] a

[00:49:18] scene

[00:49:18] where

[00:49:18] one

[00:49:41] bedtime

[00:49:42] is

[00:49:42] actually

[00:49:43] not

[00:49:43] very

[00:49:44] nice

[00:49:44] for

[00:49:44] a

[00:49:44] child

[00:49:44] it's

[00:49:45] like

[00:49:45] a

[00:49:45] big

[00:49:45] change

[00:49:45] it's

[00:49:46] a

[00:49:46] big

[00:49:46] event

[00:49:46] in

[00:49:46] the

[00:49:46] day

[00:49:47] so

[00:49:47] that's

[00:49:48] why

[00:49:48] in

[00:49:48] the

[00:49:48] night

[00:49:48] garden

[00:49:48] actually

[00:49:49] exists

[00:49:50] the ease

[00:49:50] with

[00:49:50] your

[00:49:51] child

[00:49:51] goes

[00:49:52] to

[00:49:52] bed

[00:49:53] I

[00:49:53] think

[00:49:53] is

[00:49:53] such

[00:49:54] a

[00:49:54] huge

[00:49:54] signifier

[00:49:55] of

[00:49:55] the

[00:49:55] overall

[00:49:55] child

[00:49:56] right

[00:49:56] me

[00:49:57] and

[00:49:57] my

[00:49:57] brother

[00:49:57] the

[00:49:58] overall

[00:49:58] child

[00:49:59] horrendous

[00:50:00] again

[00:50:00] especially

[00:50:01] me

[00:50:01] it was

[00:50:02] so hard

[00:50:02] to get

[00:50:02] me

[00:50:03] to

[00:50:03] be

[00:50:03] you're

[00:50:03] still

[00:50:03] hard

[00:50:04] to

[00:50:04] get

[00:50:04] to

[00:50:04] sleep

[00:50:05] and

[00:50:08] be

[00:50:08] in

[00:50:09] bed

[00:50:09] as

[00:50:09] much

[00:50:09] as

[00:50:09] you

[00:50:10] do

[00:50:10] for

[00:50:10] some

[00:50:10] reason

[00:50:10] it

[00:50:11] is

[00:50:11] so

[00:50:11] hard

[00:50:11] to

[00:50:12] get

[00:50:12] you

[00:50:12] in

[00:50:12] bed

[00:50:12] and

[00:50:12] to

[00:50:12] sleep

[00:50:14] I

[00:50:14] won't

[00:50:15] refute

[00:50:15] that

[00:50:15] at

[00:50:16] all

[00:50:16] but

[00:50:17] then

[00:50:17] like

[00:50:17] so

[00:50:17] my

[00:50:18] older

[00:50:18] cousins

[00:50:19] were

[00:50:20] really

[00:50:20] really

[00:50:21] horrendous

[00:50:21] at

[00:50:21] bedtime

[00:50:22] and

[00:50:22] then

[00:50:22] my

[00:50:22] younger

[00:50:23] cousins

[00:50:23] all

[00:50:24] of

[00:50:24] my

[00:50:24] younger

[00:50:25] cousins

[00:50:25] as

[00:50:25] far

[00:50:25] as

[00:50:26] I

[00:50:26] know

[00:50:26] except

[00:50:26] for

[00:50:26] like

[00:50:26] I

[00:50:27] have

[00:50:27] 12

[00:50:27] cousins

[00:50:28] except

[00:50:29] for

[00:50:29] two

[00:50:29] of

[00:50:29] them

[00:50:35] bedtime

[00:50:35] and

[00:50:35] they're

[00:50:35] like

[00:50:36] alright

[00:50:36] but

[00:50:36] you've

[00:50:36] got to

[00:50:36] come

[00:50:37] with

[00:50:37] us

[00:50:37] while

[00:50:37] we

[00:50:37] brush

[00:50:37] our

[00:50:37] teeth

[00:50:37] and

[00:50:38] I'm

[00:50:38] like

[00:50:38] yeah

[00:50:39] absolutely

[00:50:39] and

[00:50:40] then

[00:50:40] they

[00:50:40] like

[00:50:40] to

[00:50:40] show

[00:50:40] me

[00:50:40] some

[00:50:40] of

[00:51:04] their

[00:51:04] so

[00:51:04] funny

[00:51:05] because

[00:51:05] this

[00:51:05] is

[00:51:05] the

[00:51:05] third

[00:51:06] time

[00:51:06] we've

[00:51:06] told

[00:51:06] that

[00:51:07] story

[00:51:07] in

[00:51:08] three

[00:51:08] episodes

[00:51:09] and

[00:51:10] it's

[00:51:10] like

[00:51:10] because

[00:51:10] that's

[00:51:10] in our

[00:51:11] live

[00:51:11] show

[00:51:11] it's

[00:51:11] our

[00:51:12] last

[00:51:12] episode

[00:51:12] and

[00:51:12] now

[00:51:13] it's

[00:51:13] in

[00:51:13] this

[00:51:13] and

[00:51:14] poor

[00:51:15] Sean

[00:51:16] is

[00:51:16] never

[00:51:17] allowed

[00:51:17] to

[00:51:17] be

[00:51:17] so

[00:51:18] funny

[00:51:18] I

[00:51:19] can

[00:51:19] tell

[00:51:19] that

[00:51:19] story

[00:51:20] for

[00:51:20] so

[00:51:20] many

[00:51:21] different

[00:51:21] reasons

[00:51:21] love

[00:51:22] it

[00:51:23] love

[00:51:23] it

[00:51:24] I

[00:51:24] think

[00:51:24] it was

[00:51:25] never

[00:51:25] that as

[00:51:25] a kid

[00:51:25] in fact

[00:51:26] all

[00:51:26] three

[00:51:26] of us

[00:51:27] agree

[00:51:27] that

[00:51:27] if

[00:51:27] the

[00:51:27] door's

[00:51:28] open

[00:51:28] we

[00:51:28] can't

[00:51:29] sleep

[00:51:29] nope

[00:51:29] so

[00:51:30] the

[00:51:31] thing

[00:51:31] if

[00:51:31] we

[00:51:31] did

[00:51:31] it

[00:51:32] our

[00:51:32] last

[00:51:32] episode

[00:51:32] the

[00:51:32] crucial

[00:51:33] piece

[00:51:33] of

[00:51:33] information

[00:51:34] that

[00:51:34] would

[00:51:34] be

[00:51:34] missing

[00:51:34] from

[00:51:35] that

[00:51:35] because

[00:51:35] we

[00:51:35] found out

[00:51:35] our live

[00:51:36] show

[00:51:36] was that

[00:51:37] he did

[00:51:37] it

[00:51:37] for

[00:51:38] two

[00:51:38] years

[00:51:39] he did

[00:51:40] it

[00:51:40] from

[00:51:40] age

[00:51:41] nine

[00:51:41] to

[00:51:42] eleven

[00:51:43] and that's

[00:51:44] that's

[00:51:44] like

[00:51:45] from age

[00:51:45] nine

[00:51:46] to

[00:51:46] starting

[00:51:47] secondary

[00:51:48] school

[00:51:57] yeah

[00:51:58] I asked

[00:51:59] my mum

[00:51:59] um

[00:52:01] why

[00:52:01] why she

[00:52:02] went on

[00:52:02] look

[00:52:02] north

[00:52:03] because

[00:52:03] i always

[00:52:03] knew

[00:52:03] that she

[00:52:04] went

[00:52:04] so

[00:52:04] look

[00:52:05] north

[00:52:05] right

[00:52:05] is

[00:52:06] the

[00:52:07] filthy

[00:52:08] southerners

[00:52:08] among you

[00:52:09] i mean

[00:52:09] it's the

[00:52:09] regional

[00:52:10] bbc news

[00:52:11] everyone's

[00:52:11] got a

[00:52:12] regional

[00:52:12] bbc

[00:52:13] i'm

[00:52:13] just

[00:52:13] it's

[00:52:13] just

[00:52:14] a joke

[00:52:14] and yet

[00:52:15] hull

[00:52:16] is the

[00:52:17] hull

[00:52:17] and east

[00:52:17] riding

[00:52:18] is the

[00:52:18] only one

[00:52:19] that is

[00:52:19] so

[00:52:19] unbelievably

[00:52:20] proud of

[00:52:21] their

[00:52:21] presenter

[00:52:21] like

[00:52:22] peter

[00:52:23] levy

[00:52:23] is like

[00:52:23] a local

[00:52:24] legend

[00:52:24] like

[00:52:25] people

[00:52:25] love

[00:52:26] peter

[00:52:26] he's

[00:52:27] sort

[00:52:27] of

[00:52:27] memeified

[00:52:28] in

[00:52:28] the area

[00:52:29] see

[00:52:30] i have no

[00:52:30] idea who

[00:52:30] that is

[00:52:31] well

[00:52:31] no it's

[00:52:32] so weird because i

[00:52:33] know all of

[00:52:34] the the southeast

[00:52:36] ones as

[00:52:36] well because the

[00:52:38] guy

[00:52:38] from itv

[00:52:40] meridian

[00:52:40] beat my

[00:52:41] boyfriend

[00:52:41] to a

[00:52:42] journalism

[00:52:42] award

[00:52:43] really

[00:52:47] fuck you

[00:52:48] he deserved

[00:52:49] it

[00:52:49] actually

[00:52:50] kip

[00:52:50] redshaw

[00:52:50] seems like

[00:52:51] a really

[00:52:51] nice guy

[00:52:51] shout out

[00:52:52] kip

[00:52:52] redshaw

[00:52:53] yeah people

[00:52:54] really

[00:52:55] yeah peter

[00:52:55] levy

[00:52:56] loves the

[00:52:57] guy

[00:52:57] everyone

[00:52:57] loves him

[00:52:58] or hates

[00:52:59] him but

[00:53:00] either way

[00:53:01] people feel

[00:53:01] strongly about

[00:53:02] peter

[00:53:02] levy i

[00:53:03] actually have

[00:53:03] a hat with

[00:53:04] his face

[00:53:04] on

[00:53:04] why

[00:53:05] i don't

[00:53:06] know it

[00:53:06] was a

[00:53:06] gift i

[00:53:07] don't know

[00:53:07] okay

[00:53:08] he lives

[00:53:08] on victoria

[00:53:09] dock

[00:53:09] he i

[00:53:10] believe he

[00:53:11] does live

[00:53:11] on victoria

[00:53:11] dock

[00:53:12] we maybe

[00:53:12] shouldn't

[00:53:13] yeah

[00:53:13] so

[00:53:15] broadcast

[00:53:15] his address

[00:53:16] it's well

[00:53:17] known information

[00:53:18] that peter

[00:53:19] levy lives

[00:53:19] on victoria

[00:53:20] dock

[00:53:20] go to victoria

[00:53:21] dock and

[00:53:22] shout peter

[00:53:22] levy

[00:53:23] i'm sure

[00:53:24] one day

[00:53:24] you'll find

[00:53:25] if you go

[00:53:25] to hull

[00:53:26] and shout

[00:53:26] peter

[00:53:27] levy

[00:53:27] someone will

[00:53:27] be like

[00:53:28] where's victoria

[00:53:29] dock or

[00:53:30] whatever you

[00:53:30] just said

[00:53:30] of course

[00:53:31] it's in hull

[00:53:31] yeah

[00:53:31] of course

[00:53:32] it's in

[00:53:32] hull

[00:53:33] it's the

[00:53:33] nice part

[00:53:34] really nice

[00:53:35] is it the

[00:53:35] bit that we

[00:53:36] stood and

[00:53:36] you guys

[00:53:37] enacted a

[00:53:37] scene from

[00:53:38] lord of the

[00:53:38] rings

[00:53:39] i don't know

[00:53:40] where that

[00:53:40] was and

[00:53:41] no

[00:53:41] no

[00:53:42] it's not

[00:53:42] no i

[00:53:42] know

[00:53:43] it's not

[00:53:43] that

[00:53:44] no no

[00:53:44] so my mum

[00:53:47] went on

[00:53:47] look north

[00:53:49] um

[00:53:49] was peter

[00:53:50] there

[00:53:50] i believe

[00:53:51] she was

[00:53:52] interviewed by

[00:53:52] peter levy

[00:53:53] um

[00:53:53] basically

[00:53:54] representing

[00:53:55] how does she feel

[00:53:55] about peter levy

[00:53:56] you know what

[00:53:57] normal she feels

[00:53:58] normal about

[00:53:59] peter levy

[00:54:00] neutral

[00:54:01] she has to

[00:54:02] yes

[00:54:03] yes

[00:54:04] so she was

[00:54:05] representing

[00:54:05] for legal reasons

[00:54:06] she feels

[00:54:07] neutral about

[00:54:08] peter levy

[00:54:08] i guess

[00:54:09] i guess the

[00:54:09] nhs

[00:54:10] because that's

[00:54:11] who she's

[00:54:11] always worked

[00:54:12] for

[00:54:12] and

[00:54:13] basically

[00:54:14] at the time

[00:54:15] there were

[00:54:16] a lot of

[00:54:16] headlines

[00:54:17] that were

[00:54:18] in praise

[00:54:19] of telly

[00:54:20] tubbies

[00:54:20] basically saying

[00:54:21] it got

[00:54:22] my child

[00:54:23] to start

[00:54:23] speaking

[00:54:24] it or

[00:54:25] it got

[00:54:26] my autistic

[00:54:27] child to

[00:54:27] start speaking

[00:54:28] there was

[00:54:29] lots of

[00:54:29] reports of

[00:54:30] that

[00:54:30] so she

[00:54:31] went on

[00:54:32] look north

[00:54:33] to kind of

[00:54:33] set the

[00:54:34] record

[00:54:34] straight

[00:54:35] which is

[00:54:36] people hate

[00:54:37] on it

[00:54:38] a bit too

[00:54:39] much

[00:54:39] it's fine

[00:54:39] it's not

[00:54:40] it's not

[00:54:40] a bad

[00:54:41] thing

[00:54:41] it's not

[00:54:41] for you

[00:54:42] if you're

[00:54:42] seven

[00:54:43] or

[00:54:43] twenty

[00:54:44] five

[00:54:44] it's not

[00:54:44] a bad

[00:54:45] thing

[00:54:45] but also

[00:54:46] like

[00:54:46] because

[00:54:47] you're

[00:54:48] twenty five

[00:54:49] yeah but

[00:54:49] it's not

[00:54:50] for me

[00:54:50] we just

[00:54:51] happened to

[00:54:51] have watched

[00:54:52] it

[00:54:52] yeah

[00:54:52] i'm

[00:54:53] i'm

[00:54:54] 27

[00:54:54] i've

[00:54:54] no

[00:54:55] pride

[00:54:55] no sorry

[00:54:55] keep doing

[00:54:56] that

[00:54:56] lately

[00:54:57] i'm

[00:54:57] already

[00:54:57] a burden

[00:54:58] to my

[00:54:58] parents

[00:54:59] because

[00:55:00] i am

[00:55:01] it's so

[00:55:02] real

[00:55:02] and i'm

[00:55:03] frightened

[00:55:04] the only

[00:55:04] thing i've

[00:55:06] got over

[00:55:07] charlotte lucas

[00:55:07] is prospects

[00:55:09] do you

[00:55:10] fuck

[00:55:10] my degrees

[00:55:11] i got

[00:55:12] home

[00:55:13] on

[00:55:14] monday

[00:55:15] morning

[00:55:15] and one

[00:55:17] of the

[00:55:17] first things

[00:55:18] laura said

[00:55:18] to me

[00:55:19] was

[00:55:19] i've

[00:55:20] been

[00:55:20] sick

[00:55:22] mama

[00:55:22] threw up

[00:55:23] i've

[00:55:24] been

[00:55:25] sick

[00:55:25] i was

[00:55:27] sick

[00:55:27] max

[00:55:28] over

[00:55:29] there

[00:55:30] do you

[00:55:31] have

[00:55:31] prospects

[00:55:31] i hope

[00:55:33] the first thing

[00:55:33] you're doing

[00:55:33] on a monday

[00:55:34] morning is

[00:55:34] being

[00:55:34] sick

[00:55:35] man

[00:55:35] that's

[00:55:36] her

[00:55:36] fault

[00:55:37] what

[00:55:38] apparently

[00:55:38] it's

[00:55:39] your

[00:55:39] fault

[00:55:39] because

[00:55:39] she

[00:55:40] it was

[00:55:41] actually

[00:55:41] the second

[00:55:41] thing

[00:55:41] she said

[00:55:42] to me

[00:55:42] she went

[00:55:42] i'm

[00:55:43] hung

[00:55:43] over

[00:55:44] i've

[00:55:45] been

[00:55:46] sick

[00:55:46] yeah

[00:55:46] i invited

[00:55:47] her for

[00:55:47] drinks

[00:55:48] and i'm

[00:55:48] getting blamed

[00:55:48] for that

[00:55:49] were you

[00:55:49] yeah

[00:55:50] yeah but

[00:55:50] did she

[00:55:51] put a funnel

[00:55:52] down your

[00:55:52] throat and

[00:55:53] make you

[00:55:53] drink

[00:55:53] no she

[00:55:54] had people

[00:55:55] around me

[00:55:55] who bought

[00:55:56] me drinks

[00:55:57] yeah i'm a

[00:55:58] good person

[00:55:58] to know

[00:56:00] fair

[00:56:01] yeah

[00:56:02] um

[00:56:03] yeah i hope

[00:56:04] i have

[00:56:04] prospects

[00:56:04] i've

[00:56:05] spent a lot

[00:56:05] of money

[00:56:05] on education

[00:56:07] i hope

[00:56:08] so what

[00:56:09] siobhan also

[00:56:09] said

[00:56:10] was because

[00:56:11] in a lot

[00:56:12] of these

[00:56:13] articles um

[00:56:14] she she

[00:56:15] wasn't there

[00:56:15] to like

[00:56:15] specifically

[00:56:16] say to the

[00:56:17] family you

[00:56:18] are wrong

[00:56:18] but like

[00:56:19] it's she

[00:56:20] was just

[00:56:20] getting yeah

[00:56:21] she was getting

[00:56:21] information out

[00:56:22] there because

[00:56:22] autism was

[00:56:23] thrown into

[00:56:24] the mix as

[00:56:24] well

[00:56:25] and people

[00:56:25] hated autism

[00:56:26] back in the

[00:56:26] day didn't

[00:56:27] oh it

[00:56:27] was

[00:56:28] yeah i'd

[00:56:29] rather my

[00:56:29] child died

[00:56:30] of the

[00:56:30] measles

[00:56:31] yeah then

[00:56:32] was autistic

[00:56:33] it's like

[00:56:34] really

[00:56:34] it was big

[00:56:35] in the news

[00:56:36] wasn't it

[00:56:36] so she was

[00:56:37] there to

[00:56:38] basically say

[00:56:38] like telly

[00:56:39] tubbies is

[00:56:40] not bad

[00:56:41] also if your

[00:56:42] child has

[00:56:43] problems with

[00:56:43] speech don't

[00:56:44] just stick them

[00:56:45] in front of

[00:56:45] the telly

[00:56:46] yeah like

[00:56:47] see a

[00:56:47] specialist that

[00:56:48] is all she

[00:56:48] went on the

[00:56:49] tv to talk

[00:56:50] about basically

[00:56:51] so i gave her

[00:56:52] a call i was

[00:56:52] like what's

[00:56:53] your take on

[00:56:53] telly tubbies

[00:56:54] and she said

[00:56:54] yeah it's

[00:56:55] pretty clever

[00:56:56] it's pretty good

[00:56:56] all right how

[00:56:57] how are you

[00:56:58] teaching your

[00:56:59] like one

[00:57:00] year old to

[00:57:00] say anything

[00:57:01] right you're

[00:57:01] going mama

[00:57:02] mama forever

[00:57:05] right until they

[00:57:05] fucking do it

[00:57:06] yeah and like so

[00:57:07] half an hour of

[00:57:08] them repeating

[00:57:08] very very simple

[00:57:09] sounds that will

[00:57:11] teach them those

[00:57:11] simple sounds which

[00:57:13] is then how you

[00:57:13] construct complex

[00:57:14] sound which is

[00:57:15] then how you

[00:57:15] construct words

[00:57:16] well another

[00:57:17] really clever

[00:57:18] thing that the

[00:57:18] telly tubbies

[00:57:19] does is

[00:57:20] make don't know

[00:57:22] words make

[00:57:23] don't know

[00:57:23] sound

[00:57:23] we established

[00:57:25] on the live

[00:57:26] show that i'm

[00:57:27] po because i

[00:57:28] like to pose

[00:57:29] as her own

[00:57:30] name

[00:57:30] and i like

[00:57:33] to say my

[00:57:34] name

[00:57:35] yeah because

[00:57:36] one of i

[00:57:37] can't remember

[00:57:37] the actual

[00:57:38] name is but

[00:57:39] one of the

[00:57:40] characters in

[00:57:41] like the reboot

[00:57:42] or the baby's

[00:57:43] one is called

[00:57:44] like umby

[00:57:44] lumpy

[00:57:46] that's not my

[00:57:47] name

[00:57:50] yeah something

[00:57:51] good that it

[00:57:52] does is

[00:57:53] the kids

[00:57:55] watching it

[00:57:56] actually know

[00:57:56] that the

[00:57:58] telly tubbies

[00:57:59] are not speaking

[00:57:59] real language

[00:58:00] they know

[00:58:01] that it's a

[00:58:02] play language

[00:58:03] yeah and they

[00:58:04] know that the

[00:58:05] words aren't

[00:58:05] entirely correct

[00:58:06] i don't know

[00:58:07] how they do

[00:58:07] but well so

[00:58:08] we have all

[00:58:09] mammals have a

[00:58:10] sort of uh

[00:58:11] play mode

[00:58:13] that we we

[00:58:14] are able to

[00:58:14] engage so it's

[00:58:15] like any

[00:58:16] social mammal

[00:58:18] you'll see have

[00:58:19] a slightly

[00:58:20] different vocalization

[00:58:21] when they're

[00:58:21] playing versus

[00:58:22] when they're

[00:58:22] fighting uh

[00:58:23] which we do

[00:58:24] with laughter

[00:58:24] and like

[00:58:25] motherese

[00:58:25] that that way

[00:58:26] of talking

[00:58:27] and it

[00:58:28] basically tells

[00:58:29] your brain

[00:58:29] switches your

[00:58:30] brain from

[00:58:30] alert to

[00:58:31] relaxed and

[00:58:32] you're like

[00:58:32] everything that's

[00:58:33] going on right

[00:58:34] now is fine

[00:58:35] everything that's

[00:58:36] going on right

[00:58:36] now is play

[00:58:37] and it's important

[00:58:38] that i engage in

[00:58:39] the play and the

[00:58:39] play is fun and

[00:58:40] safe

[00:58:40] oh that's good

[00:58:41] so you'll hear

[00:58:42] like otters have

[00:58:44] a different

[00:58:44] vocalization from

[00:58:45] when they're

[00:58:46] playing like it

[00:58:47] sounds different

[00:58:48] to when they're

[00:58:49] not playing you

[00:58:49] can hear it

[00:58:50] and humans have

[00:58:51] the same

[00:58:52] and also the i

[00:58:53] mean i don't

[00:58:53] like these things

[00:58:54] i think they're

[00:58:55] quite scary but

[00:58:56] the talking

[00:58:57] trumpet things

[00:58:59] like the meg

[00:59:00] described them as

[00:59:01] a giant

[00:59:01] they're like

[00:59:02] teroscopes

[00:59:03] that come out

[00:59:03] the ground

[00:59:04] they look like

[00:59:04] hair

[00:59:05] but they look

[00:59:05] like i find

[00:59:06] them quite

[00:59:07] creepy and i

[00:59:09] will i guess

[00:59:09] we'll talk

[00:59:10] about the way

[00:59:10] the show

[00:59:10] makes us feel

[00:59:11] as adults

[00:59:12] soon

[00:59:12] it is

[00:59:13] but the thing

[00:59:14] about those

[00:59:15] is that that

[00:59:15] actual human

[00:59:17] adult language

[00:59:18] is coming out

[00:59:19] of those

[00:59:19] so it does

[00:59:21] actually tell

[00:59:21] the kids

[00:59:22] a a new

[00:59:24] scene is

[00:59:24] happening

[00:59:25] b you're being

[00:59:27] asked a question

[00:59:28] you're being

[00:59:29] prompted to do

[00:59:30] something you're

[00:59:30] being asked

[00:59:31] who is this

[00:59:32] or where did

[00:59:33] the telly

[00:59:33] tubbies go

[00:59:34] so when the

[00:59:35] telly tubbies

[00:59:35] are talking

[00:59:36] they know

[00:59:37] that what

[00:59:38] they're doing

[00:59:38] is they're

[00:59:38] joking around

[00:59:39] they're playing

[00:59:40] it's not

[00:59:40] that's not

[00:59:41] actual language

[00:59:41] so that's a

[00:59:43] really clever

[00:59:44] thing that it

[00:59:44] does however

[00:59:45] i may feel

[00:59:46] as an adult

[00:59:46] about those

[00:59:48] weird talking

[00:59:49] periscopes with

[00:59:50] the adult man's

[00:59:50] voice coming out

[00:59:51] i'd yeah

[00:59:52] it is a

[00:59:53] clever function

[01:00:01] the telly tubbies

[01:00:03] didn't know

[01:00:03] what to do

[01:00:08] so they sang

[01:00:10] a special song

[01:00:16] well maybe we

[01:00:18] should talk about

[01:00:18] the gay panic

[01:00:19] oh yeah so

[01:00:20] my job

[01:00:21] what the general

[01:00:22] gay panic or

[01:00:23] our individual

[01:00:24] gay panics

[01:00:25] you ever had

[01:00:27] a gay panic

[01:00:27] happy birthday

[01:00:29] arthur by the way

[01:00:32] it's arthur's

[01:00:33] birthday today

[01:00:35] arthur have you

[01:00:36] had a gay panic

[01:00:38] arthur are you

[01:00:39] offended that the

[01:00:40] words gay panic

[01:00:41] reminded your

[01:00:42] sister that you

[01:00:43] exist

[01:00:44] oh come on

[01:00:45] have you wished

[01:00:46] him a happy

[01:00:46] birthday

[01:00:47] i have wished

[01:00:48] him a happy

[01:00:48] birthday yeah

[01:00:49] i personally today

[01:00:50] have wished him

[01:00:51] a happy birthday

[01:00:51] but i just thought

[01:00:52] it would be a

[01:00:52] funny thing to

[01:00:53] say maybe

[01:00:53] maybe i'll

[01:00:54] regret it i

[01:00:55] don't know

[01:00:55] 30th of october

[01:00:56] is a shit

[01:00:57] birthday

[01:00:57] it is sorry

[01:00:58] i'm so sorry

[01:00:59] arthur

[01:00:59] it's not the

[01:01:00] greatest of

[01:01:01] birthdays

[01:01:01] i'm sorry any

[01:01:02] birthday that's

[01:01:03] not in bst i

[01:01:05] think is quite a

[01:01:05] bad birthday

[01:01:06] really

[01:01:08] i wish my

[01:01:09] birthday was in

[01:01:10] bst

[01:01:11] no one wants a

[01:01:12] gmt birthday

[01:01:14] do they

[01:01:15] you've got a

[01:01:17] bst birthday

[01:01:18] yeah

[01:01:18] yeah so do

[01:01:19] i

[01:01:19] clocks go

[01:01:20] um

[01:01:20] clocks go

[01:01:21] forward on

[01:01:22] the

[01:01:23] is it like

[01:01:24] it's normally

[01:01:24] like the

[01:01:25] 31st of

[01:01:25] march or

[01:01:26] like the

[01:01:26] last sunday

[01:01:27] of march

[01:01:27] okay

[01:01:28] oh i

[01:01:28] didn't know

[01:01:29] that

[01:01:29] but you're

[01:01:31] like four

[01:01:32] or five

[01:01:32] days into

[01:01:33] bst

[01:01:33] oh sorry

[01:01:34] before we

[01:01:35] go on to

[01:01:35] the gay

[01:01:35] panic of

[01:01:36] it all

[01:01:36] um there's

[01:01:37] one last

[01:01:38] thing i wanted

[01:01:38] to say about

[01:01:39] the all

[01:01:39] the complaints

[01:01:40] that it had

[01:01:40] um there

[01:01:42] was a lot of

[01:01:43] pushback from

[01:01:44] parents that

[01:01:45] um watched

[01:01:46] the show with

[01:01:46] their kids and

[01:01:47] really enjoyed

[01:01:47] it because they

[01:01:48] saw how much

[01:01:49] their kids

[01:01:49] enjoyed it so

[01:01:50] there was a

[01:01:50] lot of support

[01:01:50] in the other

[01:01:51] direction

[01:01:52] well clearly

[01:01:53] well they

[01:01:53] stayed on air

[01:01:54] they went on

[01:01:55] there was a

[01:01:56] news story about

[01:01:57] it where they

[01:01:57] said oh

[01:01:58] this is bad

[01:01:59] and then

[01:01:59] loads and

[01:01:59] loads of

[01:02:00] parents like

[01:02:00] rallied in to

[01:02:01] be like no

[01:02:02] we disagree

[01:02:03] we think that

[01:02:03] that's wrong

[01:02:04] basically

[01:02:04] yeah um

[01:02:05] and another

[01:02:06] thing is that

[01:02:07] sesame street

[01:02:09] which aired

[01:02:09] on pbs

[01:02:11] and pbs

[01:02:12] obviously is

[01:02:12] what picked

[01:02:13] up the

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[01:02:14] in the

[01:02:14] us as

[01:02:14] well because

[01:02:15] it's you

[01:02:15] know the

[01:02:15] um not

[01:02:17] cable

[01:02:17] public

[01:02:18] broadcast

[01:02:20] um they

[01:02:21] had complaints

[01:02:22] when they

[01:02:23] first um

[01:02:24] broadcast because

[01:02:25] parents were

[01:02:26] like this

[01:02:27] is too

[01:02:28] educational

[01:02:29] let children

[01:02:30] be children

[01:02:30] for longer

[01:02:31] while you're

[01:02:32] teaching them

[01:02:32] specific things

[01:02:34] about the

[01:02:34] alphabet and

[01:02:35] numbers and

[01:02:36] why don't you

[01:02:36] just let

[01:02:37] them live

[01:02:38] for a few

[01:02:38] years

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[01:02:40] between the

[01:02:40] states and the

[01:02:41] uk

[01:02:41] you can't

[01:02:42] please

[01:02:43] americans

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[01:03:35] just right yeah the other week laura took me into her bed and set bluey going and i just

[01:03:42] she's got this like arm because she's so fucking lazy she's got this arm that holds her ipad like

[01:03:49] above her head and she like took me into her bed and i was like just watching bluey and i was like

[01:03:54] it's pretty good this yeah an ipad in front of your face lying down no thoughts head empty

[01:04:02] i was giving a shit the other day for buying loads of shit on the internet what we established was

[01:04:09] that most of what most of what she bought was solutions she like bought solutions to her own

[01:04:14] like fluids yeah like you know how she's bought that no solutions to problems so you know how

[01:04:21] problems that normal people don't have like the arm that will hold her ipad above her head so she can

[01:04:25] watch telly without getting her arms out or like the glasses that will let her look at the tv and

[01:04:31] then also down at her crochet oh my god she has this fuck ass toothpaste holder so it's not it's a

[01:04:36] toothpaste dispenser where you put like toothpaste in it and you put your toothbrush like like a one

[01:04:42] of those soap dispensers where you would push it and get soap on your hand but it for me it just

[01:04:48] dispenses too much i mean let's be honest this is these are items for people with physical disabilities

[01:04:54] laura doesn't have those she just doesn't want to use her arms yet okay yeah but saying laura doesn't

[01:05:02] have any physical disabilities is true that's true at the moment of recording is a correct statement

[01:05:08] so the the ipad one is it's now cold my hands get cold so i want to crochet under a blanket so

[01:05:17] this enables me to do that can you crochet blind this is why she couldn't hold the mic up properly

[01:05:24] at the live recording because she doesn't want to use her arm uh yeah you know i don't have to look at

[01:05:31] every single thing i do that's quite impressive actually she's done it a lot yeah yeah um well

[01:05:38] i don't know what the the toothpaste one is i it's nice it seems cleaner to me than like the dregs of

[01:05:45] water at the bottom of the toothpaste cup that gets gross anyway let's move on let's talk about

[01:05:50] gay panic right you ever had a gay panic well there's a bit in that documentary where a american

[01:05:56] guy there there's a section where they're talking about merchandise and he's in the shop he's like

[01:06:01] talking about how it's fine actually and not evil and he says i think tinky winky's my favorite i'm not

[01:06:08] sure why and i liked he carries a handbag and that means nothing it it could mean nothing it could

[01:06:14] mean nothing right so that's what we're gonna talk about right because well yeah gay panic yeah

[01:06:19] andrew davenport and am would do don't do think that that means nothing which i think is fair

[01:06:24] i mean yeah they give the man a hat men can have handbags boys can have handbags also gay men can have

[01:06:31] handbags also anyone can have a handbag the fact or how are they going to hold their gay card

[01:06:36] the amount you read into it i think says more about you than anything

[01:06:40] right oh are you saying that we're wrong to think no i'm not saying you're okay uh which one should

[01:06:47] i start with okay laura thinks it's bad to be gay you hear the ear first laura you have to dispute it

[01:06:54] with your words because not everyone's going to be watching the youtube thing no i don't

[01:07:00] so i get i glared i glared at meg uh like most of the articles about this were written 25 years ago

[01:07:07] most of them are older than meg um but not older than you no nope 11th of february 1999

[01:07:15] they were written in a very specific amount of time yeah the year between laura's birth and my birth

[01:07:22] well it was a short-lived meteor storm right so uh it broadcast here first in 1997 it didn't broadcast

[01:07:28] in the states until 1999 so they got like i want to say two years of peace but clearly not based on all

[01:07:35] the stuff you've been talking about but two years of peace specifically regarding this topic because

[01:07:40] from what i read no one in the uk was really complaining that tinky winky was maybe gay

[01:07:45] my feeling is that ever since teletubbies first transmitted i've been on trial so then of course

[01:07:52] the press had got what they love in the summer on the silly season a controversy

[01:07:58] the tabloids took up the whole tinky winky saga and um there was i never thought this would happen

[01:08:05] to me i appeared two days running in the sun one with a headline over a i think a very unflattering

[01:08:12] picture of me saying 59 year old wrinkly ko's tinky winky the leader of the gay panic in the states

[01:08:19] the leader of the gay panic this is a particularly scathing guardian article where they're meaner

[01:08:25] about this person they're writing about than i usually see like there's one bit where they say

[01:08:31] um with dr fulwell perhaps choking on a piece of tubby toast um said yesterday that like this thing um

[01:08:40] and i was just reading it i was like oh that's that's not as neutral as i was expecting from a

[01:08:47] guardian article but you know uh he is the one that was like leading the charge he was a televangelist

[01:08:54] hyper christian guy he's dead now yeah so it focuses entirely on tinky winky he literally says

[01:09:01] uh dipsy lala and poe do not play large parts in this theological debate okay um yeah so i mean i'm

[01:09:13] not disagreeing there i don't think that dipsy lala and poe do play a large part in any theological

[01:09:18] debate yeah so the character whose voice is obviously a boy has been found carrying a red purse

[01:09:25] found where

[01:09:26] he picked it up he was at the thrift shop yeah so further evidence that creators intended tinky

[01:09:37] winky to be a gay role model have surfaced he is purple the gay pride color and i'm like isn't the

[01:09:42] rainbow the gay pride color isn't it all they don't get just one color yeah um he's purple yeah

[01:09:50] uh his antenna is shaped like a triangle the gay pride symbol and i was again like oh i guess it

[01:09:56] is yeah the pink triangle yeah pink triangle upside down yeah okay you know what i'm coming around to

[01:10:01] his way of thinking well i i tried to find this gay pride triangle symbol and i couldn't it's oh yeah

[01:10:07] it's okay yeah i know that one because yeah i i but i it didn't come up when i was just googling

[01:10:13] pride gay triangle they should have done it really should have you know yeah the word yeah the gay's

[01:10:20] the word yeah i know the pink triangle one because it wasn't it from the nazis yeah yeah um moving

[01:10:28] along yeah

[01:10:30] uh so yeah as a christian i feel that role modeling the gay lifestyle is damaging the

[01:10:36] moral lives of children what gay lifestyle does tinky winky depict carrying a handbag he occasionally

[01:10:45] wears a tutu having fun frolicking all that gay lifestyle they all frolicking a tutu i watched

[01:10:51] that episode today gay men love to frolic they love to frolic they love to frolic they're like

[01:10:57] lambs in that way i've never seen a gay man that was not frolicking yeah so the it's like sharks

[01:11:04] if they're still they die they must frolick to survive uh so itsy bitsy entertainment was the

[01:11:12] company that licensed the series for the u.s they were the ones that came out and like said stuff

[01:11:16] against it from what i could find the ragdoll entertainment didn't really chime in on this

[01:11:21] whole thing going on in the states at least not directly or at the time it was later um they were

[01:11:27] like the fact that he carries a magic bag doesn't make him gay it's a children's show folks calm

[01:11:33] down i'm like yeah is it magic sac magique uh i don't know actually i mean the whole show has a

[01:11:40] bit of magic is yeah i take issue with that statement the whole it's a kid show what is

[01:11:45] wrong with gay characters being depicted no no that's 100 true issue with people saying this kind

[01:11:49] of thing like yeah oh you know gay people you know they should be regulated they're not for kids

[01:11:53] so there was um one of the articles i found so there's this this statement to think we would be

[01:11:58] putting sexual innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlanders i found it absurd and kind of

[01:12:02] offensive and well one of the other articles i read was one of the people from the production

[01:12:08] studio going we're not disney we don't put that in our stuff it's like oh okay but it well no that's

[01:12:14] the thing it's like well number one disney do do that they do do like heterosexual propaganda

[01:12:19] heterosexual over very funny um innuendos in their films and they're fucking hilarious yeah

[01:12:30] hysterical well here's also the thing children don't understand innuendo yeah they do and this

[01:12:35] is you know what this is something that people have come for us time and time again how dare you say

[01:12:41] that the tots are gay very easily i'll say it now they're gay it happened once and we won't stop

[01:12:48] fucking going on about it and you know what i'm doubling down yeah but we said in the comments

[01:12:52] back down yeah yeah we actually said never talking about a kid's show calm down it's fine and then when

[01:12:59] we get around the mic we're like actually yeah they're fucking i do you know the thing is is

[01:13:05] because i'm not scared in this space with my 90 000 people on instagram that want to come for me

[01:13:11] yeah they scare me a little bit but but you guys you you're here because you like the ones that listen

[01:13:18] the one the ones that listen to the podcast and don't just follow the social media we're not scared

[01:13:23] of you yeah you're the real ones yeah so the former teletubby actor dave thompson like acknowledged

[01:13:28] that the show had quite a lot of gay fans um and he was baffled he thought he this is what he said

[01:13:33] i thought that if any of the colors was going to be identified as sexual it would be poe's red suit

[01:13:39] i also thought poe was a boy when i was a kid uh sorry at the end of this article tinky winky was

[01:13:47] unavailable for comment but poe said uh-oh that's good yeah that's good yeah so there were quite a few

[01:13:55] people chiming in on it so like interestingly there were people from the other side of the fence so uh

[01:14:00] a columnist called michael musto was like finally me and jerry full well agree on something but for

[01:14:06] completely different reasons like he thought tinky winky was gay as well but he thought it was

[01:14:10] totally fine but one thing that came up a few times is like the like if you're reading so far into this

[01:14:16] that's an issue because like that means like the only reason you're seeing tinky winky is gay is

[01:14:21] because you have no gay people to look at on children's tv anywhere so you're making them up

[01:14:27] you're inventing them because you're not given them but also you can do what you like with

[01:14:32] characters yeah nothing is prescribed with them like people people have been doing this for like

[01:14:37] when it's more recent stuff and especially with kids tv stuff people get really precious about it but

[01:14:43] like people have been gender bending shakespeare for years literally i mean i wrote a dissertation

[01:14:49] about this a part of the reason for that is that people will want people only want to go see

[01:14:54] things that they already know and things that people already know have got so many male characters

[01:14:59] in them and not enough female characters in them so we have to fucking gender bend the shit out of it

[01:15:04] but it happens with everything especially stuff that's public domain you're allowed to do whatever

[01:15:09] you want with it and you're allowed to think whatever you want that's the purpose of public

[01:15:12] domain like please run free with it yeah you're allowed to think whatever you want about these

[01:15:16] characters once they've been put out into the world regardless of whether or not someone else might

[01:15:21] not like it it doesn't fucking matter i don't know if telly tubbies is well it's not it's not public

[01:15:28] domain but there is a drag artist called alphi ordinary and he frequently dresses up as tinky winky

[01:15:37] but like proper sort of foam sculpted like snatched waist but massive hips and it's so funny this is another

[01:15:47] thing about the telly because i don't i mean i don't understand who owns the ip of telly tubbies

[01:15:54] or like um any of the like processes you would need to go through to do this but they definitely

[01:16:00] capitalize off of people seeing it in a nostalgic way like so uh also about the telly tubbies

[01:16:08] instagram account that pops off and they absolutely that it's it's not aimed at kids whatsoever

[01:16:14] also yeah their social media across all their social media is so funny they also very frequently

[01:16:20] do um collaborations with like there was like a telly tubbies line of makeup can't remember who

[01:16:26] it was collaborated with but it existed they did a collaboration with dolls kill so you could get

[01:16:31] like uh i remember that yeah i didn't know all this i think you still get it but there was like a i think

[01:16:37] it was like a dipsy coat that was like i think it was like the cow print with like green fur

[01:16:43] the i think skinny i mean he had that stuff well so it's like so you're you're leaning into adults

[01:16:50] liking this so you can't get angry when people are like oh tinky winky's gay it's like you know that

[01:16:57] you have an adult audience and you're not saying oh this is for kids yeah well so the thing with that

[01:17:02] like they have a pride collection of clothes there we go i love collab with no one they just them they

[01:17:09] have a pride and i understand that things that they said you know they 20 years ago or 25 years ago

[01:17:15] and not think that necessarily things that they might agree with now and it's like i don't understand

[01:17:18] who controls the ip and allows these things to happen but they do exist yeah i mean while it was

[01:17:25] i i guess in its first few years they were batting off all sorts of criticism they they couldn't afford

[01:17:30] to have people criticize it now they're just now it's so now they know that they're solid but like

[01:17:35] in um this documentary ann wood was saying her and anna home they had a meeting and they were like

[01:17:42] we're both women of a certain age and in fact when the um tabloids were popping off about

[01:17:48] teletubbies they they came for their ages and they they came for the fact that they were older women

[01:17:54] they weren't even they were like nearly 60 and well that is older if you take yeah 50 for the middle age

[01:18:02] and she said that well this is the prime time children's slot it's perfect and we're never ever

[01:18:09] going to get anything like this ever again and it was that or nothing it was that or they were done

[01:18:14] basically and so i guess if you're getting these comments you have to just reduce controversy as much

[01:18:21] as you can and when you know you're solid it's like fuck it tinky winky was gay fuck you i do just do

[01:18:27] take like very minor issue with it though because ann wood has said had has been given comment as i

[01:18:34] don't care what the adults think this is for kids and i want to know what kids think but if your ip is

[01:18:39] being used and being sold to adults oh yeah the pride collection care a little bit don't you the

[01:18:45] pride collection is predominantly adult clothing well of course it is you're not selling i mean

[01:18:50] matching i'm not yeah i'm not saying you can't sell prices but also most of the proceeds go to

[01:18:54] buying it i just want to say to not cast them in that like group of companies that do uh rainbow

[01:19:00] washing the the proceeds go to charity like a young i think a young lgbtq charity but we don't know if

[01:19:08] ann wood is involved still i mean this might not have anything to do with her yeah i don't know it's

[01:19:12] on their website if you want to buy any of it i will approach ann wood for comment i bet you she's

[01:19:18] gonna say uh oh but yeah so uh in in all of this discussion in the states people were comparing

[01:19:25] it to bert and ernie and like people like see so gay the thing okay the thing that they were comparing

[01:19:30] it to is like what is poe doing that's gay it's like all he's doing is having a do you mean tinky

[01:19:36] winky all they're doing is having a purse that's the only thing that people were reading into

[01:19:42] um whereas like bert and ernie uh ernie teaches bert to sew they tend ponds together if this is a

[01:19:49] quote if this isn't meant to represent a homosexual union i can't imagine what it's supposed to

[01:19:53] represent well this is why it's gay panic though because there's only there's two outcomes to this

[01:20:01] question neither of which homophobes are gonna like because the first one is tinky winky is gay

[01:20:08] because he carries a purse they don't like that one or tinky winky is you know not conforming to

[01:20:15] gender roles and they don't like that because they like you to conform to gender roles so it's like

[01:20:20] they don't like the fact that he carries a carries a handbag anyway yes do they one of the journalists

[01:20:25] said that jerry fullwell's argument basically boils down to be mean to boys who like purses

[01:20:31] i don't know how right that is the guy who um the pool boy no okay i'll get to that in a second

[01:20:37] i'll get that sorry there's a pool boy involved in this story so um so yeah like the bert and ernie

[01:20:42] thing i love there was someone's retort to this was well yeah they have to live together who can

[01:20:46] afford single rent on sesame street that would be crazy i love that they have to cohabitate

[01:20:51] sesame street is prime real estate oh it's not actually no well no there's a living dustbin so yeah

[01:20:59] this well we'll probably do an episode about it at some point but it was for poor city kids the

[01:21:03] thing is i don't understand how you can argue that burn and ernie aren't a couple because they sleep

[01:21:07] in two single beds next to each other like you know no i thought they they slept in oh no no

[01:21:13] that's funny that's funny next to each other like um an old like an old married victorian couple yeah

[01:21:21] yeah haze code couple it's it's that is actually more couple coded than just sharing a double bed

[01:21:27] yeah so what what what is what meg was alluding to so this jerry jerry senior dead 2007 dead his son

[01:21:36] jerry jr uh genuinely called jerry jr uh that's a shame for him jerry with a j jerry with a j j j j j

[01:21:46] that's cute so uh in 2021 or 2022 i can't remember uh he he's like the head of like he's an attorney

[01:21:53] he was the head of like liberty university or something very like important roles that he had

[01:21:57] to resign from because it came out that he and his wife were in a throuple with a 22 year old pool boy

[01:22:05] that they had met in miami called john carlo john colo grande

[01:22:14] that's such a that's such a porn name it's such a porn name can you say that yeah um do you know

[01:22:21] uh there's that film with emma thompson and it's called good luck to leo grande oh yeah

[01:22:27] because it was about her like repeatedly sleeping with this male or like having uh relations with

[01:22:33] this male prostitute and his name obviously wasn't leo grande this guy i think his name is

[01:22:40] john carlo grande yeah it's quite you can't of course you can say it's a porn name because it's a

[01:22:46] porn name but it's just i don't know is it just spanish no he's portuguese as well wasn't he

[01:22:54] was brazilian i think i think he was brazilian yeah okay yeah you can't say it's spanish when

[01:22:58] it's not it was it was just so funny to me and it's like i always say don't hate anything too hard

[01:23:03] or it'll end up in your own family so just yeah she does always say that it's one of my many

[01:23:12] oh let's talk about your tenets really yeah okay uh number one fruit is a burden yeah number two

[01:23:19] love is a battlefield yeah number three surprises are only nice when they're logistically sensible

[01:23:23] number four what did i just say don't hate anything too hard or it'll end up in your own

[01:23:30] family yeah um i'm sure there's more there's definitely she said to us the other night what

[01:23:36] did you say uh if owning isn't buying oh yeah if buying isn't owning then then piracy isn't theft

[01:23:43] if buying isn't ownership then piracy isn't theft so number five she said to us i would go back in

[01:23:52] time to try and become england's confucius confucius yeah

[01:23:59] which is so england's confucius

[01:24:11] when you get to a certain level of fame and popularity when you're a kids tv show

[01:24:33] the the amount of and the type of complaints just seem to absolutely lose all sense and reason because

[01:24:39] i'm thinking about the complaints people have about peppa pig and like and how they're like

[01:24:44] it just gets unhinged it just gets unhinged it's like it's a kids tv show like calm down everything's

[01:24:49] fine what you're you're you're reading so much into it you're doing so much extra thought leg work that

[01:24:54] you don't need to do and it seems to really only happen i get why for kids tv that gets very popular

[01:24:59] so um we don't always have things to say from common sense media but we do this week

[01:25:04] um because it's massive it's massive and people hated it okay no but a lot of these i look through

[01:25:11] them they're like from like 2009 or something i late to the game eh well i guess because in 1997

[01:25:16] common sense media maybe didn't exist my favorite ones are where the parents have opinions but they

[01:25:21] spell things wrong so yeah um so riley c parent of a two-year-old

[01:25:26] telly tubbies is rost bag bad show ever seen i think they meant to say worst rost this show is

[01:25:35] too scared to watch for kids is crying and having bad dream and cancelled show is and suit is just

[01:25:42] nightmare fuel this title has too much consumerism i where how there's no shops i don't understand i

[01:25:50] know there's merch there's a lot of merch in the show oh wow uh weird shows there's one

[01:25:56] star this is a mom of someone who's 9 13 and 17 years old i wonder which one of them is watching

[01:26:02] the telly tubbies uh recommended for age plus two one star 14 years ago weird show this show does not

[01:26:10] make any sense four exclamation marks and three question marks my kids were afraid to watch it

[01:26:16] when they were little why are there only four telly tubbies are they the only ones who were

[01:26:21] who were brackets or should i say were the hell brackets they live i'm reading that straight that

[01:26:28] wasn't me making an error that's how they've spelt or whatever they're trying to say i guess where they

[01:26:33] live uh one of the people in the telly tubbies costume got in trouble with the police it was an

[01:26:40] english comedy show first for grown-ups what are they well they i don't know if they're making

[01:26:46] reference to the fact that it's um they recite what comedy show is it that they cite in that documentary

[01:26:53] like um the like slapstick physical comedy hill benny hill stuff yeah but it's like it's not for

[01:27:01] adults no it's really really not there's there's one that yeah i saw i i want to read this okay this

[01:27:11] this this this one's great what's everyone's problem

[01:27:18] everything is not a lesson but appropriate for young here's the thing as well like you spell check

[01:27:24] how are you doing this show is meant to make your young one laugh stupid for parents not to let their

[01:27:32] young watch this everything is not a lesson lighten up and let your kid watch this i gave it to

[01:27:41] stars because i've outgrown it well that is a shit rating system i'm sorry so that is no way to

[01:27:50] yeah that's common sense media that's good yeah we love common sense media common sense media

[01:27:56] mumsnet great places to spend massive portions of your time yeah no seriously really fun so don't let

[01:28:03] them infect you with their transphobia but apart from that oh my god so plex now has common sense

[01:28:09] media thingies on it so it'll tell you like what mums think about a given movie yeah what do mums

[01:28:15] think of oceans it was like fabulous and something else i can't remember what the second word was

[01:28:20] that's your dad saying that's my dad saying that yeah should we talk about our personal feelings

[01:29:05] about uh the eldritch horror that is a lot of the time you like to use eldritch horror a lot with

[01:29:12] but it's not very eldritch no no so well oh the baby in the sun is the baby in the sun is but the

[01:29:17] rest of it isn't i don't i would i would argue against that i i think like there's tons of

[01:29:23] drawings of it turned into eldritch horrors um i hate that word um and they're really good i can

[01:29:30] see how they got there oh look at her little face can you look down the camera and do that please

[01:29:38] you're gonna have to look up a bit so people can see she's doing the princess

[01:29:42] stick your lip out oh should i do the

[01:29:48] yeah she can like make her face like you know the emoji that's like

[01:29:53] i can't physically do that

[01:29:57] literally can't do it my mouth already points down so does mine my brother-in-law told me that i

[01:30:02] look like um sadness from inside out it's not funny

[01:30:11] i don't think you do you do oh that's good

[01:30:18] and so i'm not entirely blue can i mention something that was said by uh one of the

[01:30:25] pbs commissioners or she appeared in the documentary i'm not entirely sure what her job was fuck you

[01:30:30] she said that telly tubbies hang on i've got the quote written down here speaks to a real fear in

[01:30:37] young children's lives about object permanence it's true so andrew davenport goes on to say that

[01:30:44] the bye-bye game exists because you need with plenty of time before the end of the show to agree

[01:30:50] with the child and give the child plenty of warning that the show's actually ending

[01:30:54] so i have something i i hate about the show we can talk about in a second sorry okay great great

[01:31:00] great great um we need some negatives as well in here so you've got the very slow very repetitive

[01:31:07] bye-bye tinky winky bye-bye dipsy so they get into the rhythm of it they know what's happening

[01:31:13] and then just so you you are speaking to the very real fear in children's lives about object permanence

[01:31:21] they pop up again and say boo and remind you that things aren't gone things will come back it's okay

[01:31:30] and they do that for a little while because kids are pathetic this is this is reminding me of like

[01:31:37] so on our like the road been below mine and meg's windows we can hear a lot of people on it and

[01:31:43] sometimes we'll hear children on it and i have a very clear memory of one specific time when a child

[01:31:48] was saying goodbye to another child and you can just hear for 10 minutes them going bye bye and

[01:31:55] getting further and further apart it's so cute also probably because they've got like memories of

[01:32:02] goldfish i've already forgotten they've said bye actually memory uh goldfish have great memory

[01:32:09] shut up apocryphal

[01:32:12] do you think i look a bit like he-man but female yeah a little bit yeah i said this to meg and she

[01:32:24] went home so what do you not like about the show then the custard

[01:32:30] the tubby custard it looked gross i don't like the way it comes out yeah it looks so gross like

[01:32:39] tubby custard time and i was like oh yeah it looks there are some things that you actually just don't

[01:32:45] want on tap in life and custard is one of them like water is fine i mean ice is great yeah that's

[01:32:51] great yeah wine sure wine's a bit weird but that weird angel delight stuff they've got you don't

[01:32:57] want that on tap it doesn't even look like angel delight it doesn't look like custard it looks kind

[01:33:01] of like um a really thick cement a really thick berry huell yeah that's so relatable yeah the

[01:33:09] tubby toast doesn't look too bad no the tubby toast doesn't look too bad

[01:33:13] tubby toast

[01:33:58] Laura and i were watching it today and i wasn't expecting this like she was just putting her

[01:34:11] laundry out to dry and suddenly a horrible noise came from the show and i'll put a clip in and we

[01:34:17] were like that's horrible it was very um felt like subliminal messaging like trying to a coded

[01:34:27] message to yeah like those mysterious weird radio stations that just send out numbers for no discernible

[01:34:35] reason yeah there was something night veil about it yeah it was yeah so it came from one of

[01:34:40] the earpods periscope yeah airpod speaker things it came up from the ground and gave out that horrible

[01:34:47] noise that you just heard and laura and i looked at each other like what's that was unsettling right

[01:34:54] like yeah because it was it was well the lala just falls over laughing so it's like and repeating some

[01:35:00] of it and it's like i guess it's fine but that felt real weird yeah like the baby in the sun also is

[01:35:05] like there to tell the children this is what you should be laughing at so the the sun baby laughs

[01:35:11] and it's like oh everything's okay yeah that's that's a huge principle with children like if a

[01:35:16] very young child falls over what they're gonna do first is go how should i feel mommy how should i feel

[01:35:22] and then your reaction will inform what they really look like the baby just then yeah and then do it

[01:35:31] to the camera yeah so i'll audio describe because it is a podcast let's let us not forget laura takes

[01:35:37] her glasses off and opens her eyes wide be afraid little children it's unsettling or should i do the

[01:35:48] thing with my eye oh yeah do you know what's so weird about living with these two they've got so

[01:35:54] many weird little things in common but they've both got weird lazy eye things that they can do and it

[01:35:59] i was born cross-eyed sorry if you're cross-eyed but they could just both like elsey can do it where

[01:36:10] she like looks up and like the eyes go like wonky and laura can just like do it on demand i just if i

[01:36:20] relax like is it one of you who says it hurts yeah it does hurt a bit if i if i absolutely completely

[01:36:26] relax my eyes if you can't control the focus of your eyes you can't do this because i have to

[01:36:31] completely relax the focus and the eye that i was born crossed with uh just drifts back to the center

[01:36:40] can't do it

[01:36:44] i didn't find out that i could do this until i was like 19 i had no idea and then i think i did it in

[01:36:50] front of you because i had just i guess i was sat there i'm vocal i sat there and i think i just

[01:36:54] because we were living together i just i'm the same i didn't know i could do that with my eyes

[01:36:58] either and then why is it always me that discovers horrible things about people

[01:37:04] your innate curiosity so yeah what else didn't what else didn't i like you know i think it's quite

[01:37:09] funny is that they only eat the same thing in a like greek god ambrosia kind of way

[01:37:17] which is funny because ambrosia is a brand of custard we've come yeah so if you've listened to

[01:37:26] our live show episode that that should be out by now um we did have a well meg had a section where

[01:37:34] she spoke about well you explain the there's a band episode um or no it was just one yeah i think i

[01:37:41] i think so a segment that is it's like a part of an episode that ended up having to be re-edited

[01:37:48] in order for it to be broadcastable because they'd accidentally made it really scary

[01:37:53] and it's um the segment's called the bear and the lion and it's essentially like two

[01:37:59] the bear like wooden cutouts of animals the bear and the lion that are on like these skateboards

[01:38:06] that are being pulled along by strings and they're like chasing and hiding from each other

[01:38:09] but but the uh voiceover's really um uh scary and the music's really scary and like it's like at

[01:38:19] the beginning of the segment it's like blue skies and then you hear the bear and then it goes like

[01:38:23] overcast and scary like evil's about to arrive

[01:38:28] i'm the bear i'm the bear with brown fuzzy hair i'll hide over here

[01:38:37] and i'll hide over there can you see me i'm the bear i'm the bear with brown fuzzy hair

[01:38:54] and i know a joke i mean it's like a famously scary scene didn't you say that the bears voiced by

[01:39:09] penelope keith penelope keith yeah yeah margo in the good life yeah um and yeah i mean i i the

[01:39:16] thing is this is not something i hate about the show it's actually something i love about the show

[01:39:19] it's really interesting and um hilarious it's hilarious that that was allowed to be broadcast

[01:39:25] i mean how many people did this go past and they went yeah that's fine yeah so in the middle of each

[01:39:31] episode there's a magical event segment it's called the magical event segment they all were tottle over

[01:39:38] together yeah they are together they are visited by some cgi happening that just introduces a new

[01:39:46] element like a new thing to watch um another segment is the you know obviously watching the tummies

[01:39:54] and they did something really really brave there so that you watch some humans like going about their

[01:40:02] daily business whatever well they're eat their kids like explaining what their activities are so

[01:40:06] one i watched which was they helped their uncle on the farm they learned how to milk cows

[01:40:11] lovely yeah so that can go on for as long as five minutes another one made horrendous looking hot

[01:40:17] chocolate really disgusting looking hot chocolate like i was like yeah way worse than the i was amazed that

[01:40:23] there were adults in that room who were like yeah and then it stops and they go oh again again again

[01:40:31] again again and then i mean it's amazing they were allowed to do this they repeat on broadcast tv

[01:40:38] the entire five minute segment again youtube no nope it's ridiculous isn't it yeah because the kids can

[01:40:48] predict what's happening and they want to watch it again and yeah i mean that makes sense yeah all right

[01:40:53] but when you know all this about the way that they made the show so intentionally comforting and

[01:41:02] absorbing for children the fact that these magical segments were sometimes due to bad cgi or

[01:41:10] the unexpected nature of them yeah the fact that they so often went wrong and were actually a bit too

[01:41:17] scary i mean it makes it even more unbelievable because everything else was so good and

[01:41:23] introducing those segments like sometimes it was puppets like there's a bit where a little

[01:41:30] sort of andy pandy looking figure is like you remember it like going around a dollhouse

[01:41:36] you yeah it's it's scary but it's not like scary in the same way it's just creepy yeah there were

[01:41:45] bits where it felt like the judgment had kind of fallen off a little bit it makes it even more

[01:41:51] unbelievable when you know how intentional everything else was especially because as well like like you

[01:41:56] said it's intended to be comforting and for kids to like you really young kids to actually learn

[01:42:03] um about like the world basically they're being primed for the fright of their lives yeah then there's oh

[01:42:10] yeah there's a comfort show brilliant horrible segment with this lion that looks like it's gonna kill

[01:42:17] it's a show that would be so rife to fuck within a horror sense because it's this comforting place

[01:42:24] because it's so established as this friendly lovely place it would be so easy to throw that into a really

[01:42:31] scary place yeah without much effort and they like they did it accidentally imagine trying to do that

[01:42:37] intentionally but i think the baby climbs out the sun well i think a lot of the um gripes that we've got

[01:42:44] with it like the things that we don't like about it are only things that adults are not gonna like

[01:42:48] about it though right like yeah that's not true i don't think a two-year-old's going this custard

[01:42:53] nah i think that's very true i mean actually i i loved it as a child like like most kids i would sit in

[01:43:00] front of it and just be completely diverted but the i remember the bear and the lion and i loved it but i

[01:43:09] i like horror so i i was like every episode i was hoping it was that one because i was like i just

[01:43:14] found it really interesting i mean i don't want to i don't want to repeat myself too much because

[01:43:19] i've said several times that the thing i really hated about it is that it makes me feel like

[01:43:27] a like a feeling that i feel like i shouldn't be feeling like nostalgic and like in like a really

[01:43:35] it's really liminal and i hate the way it makes me feel like it makes me feel like i'm thinking thoughts

[01:43:42] i did when i was a kid and like that's kind of amazing though isn't it yeah but in a really well in a

[01:43:48] way that it makes me feel really uncomfortable because it's like i don't have any of the

[01:43:56] i'm i'm so much more now than i was when i was two and i was watching it so like but you are the same

[01:44:02] person yeah but remembering the feelings i had when i was two makes me feel really strange you know

[01:44:08] in a way that i find really hard to articulate but like the way that nostalgia can sometimes be quite

[01:44:14] unpleasant yeah well it's like that oh a minute ago like that blink you were 17 and now you're 27

[01:44:21] and those videos that make you go oh don't make me think about the passage of time like that

[01:44:25] kind of thing no okay more in a like that's fair more in a it was so long ago that i don't think

[01:44:34] about it ever so when i do think about it it feels almost like an intrusive thought i think i must

[01:44:41] think about that like that time more because like my first memory is is going back to it is getting my

[01:44:47] eye surgery done it's like i very vividly remember that so the thoughts i had then i i fully remember

[01:44:54] them and i am comfortable with those thoughts mate i don't know maybe just revisit yourself more

[01:45:00] no okay but like i don't want to i just i don't like it i don't like the setting of it because it

[01:45:08] makes me feel like i'm in a dream that's what i'm gonna say i think it reminds me a bunch of our

[01:45:14] key stage one playground because we had this um big green big green um player

[01:45:23] area that was made of the like uh it's sort of like plastic pellets if you melt them yeah i don't

[01:45:29] know i don't know what it's called it's sort of weird tarmac yeah me yeah um i mean not actually

[01:45:34] good if you fall on it probably you get like rug burn yeah like 3g no that's more like plastic grass

[01:45:42] isn't it 3g's got the little tiny plastic pellets in it yes but if you if you took the plastic pellets

[01:45:48] and like ironed them i know what you're talking about uh so it was like a big green circle with like

[01:45:54] sloping bits and then like a bridge that was black and you could hide under the bridge and it massively

[01:46:00] gave oh we're trying to recreate telly tubby land in this playground so whenever i watch it it just makes

[01:46:05] me think of that it didn't have any flowers though which is a shame it was just green plastic that i

[01:46:11] fell over on a lot and genuinely just kept rug burns i probably should mention that um what's the name

[01:46:17] of the man that played tinky winky he died in oh it was maybe about 10 years ago now he died dave

[01:46:25] thompson and simon shelton simon shelton died yeah he was the originator of the character simon shelton

[01:46:33] time for tubby bye-bye time for tubby bye-bye time for tubby bye-bye

[01:46:44] bye bye tinky winky bye-bye bye bye bye dipsy bye bye bye bye la la

[01:47:02] bye bye bye bye bye i don't necessarily think this one is worth a re-watch as an adult the

[01:47:30] ease with which i absolutely stopped focusing on it because there's no dialogue it is a bit mindless

[01:47:37] yeah which which i think if you want that that's probably great but it's like if you want to watch

[01:47:41] something there's nothing really as an adult to engage with congratulations for developing the mind

[01:47:47] of an adult yes thank you you did it i did it i'm finished mommy laura's like adjusted her wig so

[01:47:54] many times that her own actual fringe is part of yeah it's it's peeking oh my god yeah look yeah there

[01:48:02] it is i'm trying folks this wig is too small i have a giant head i think it's nice i think it's

[01:48:09] colorful i think that they're very funny to look at and i do like the instagram account i forget i i

[01:48:14] hate the pallor of their faces they all look sickly do they i think they all have like a sickly cast

[01:48:22] to their faces okay i see what you mean they're really impressive costumes i mean they blink they

[01:48:28] are very impressive their noses twitch i know i only noticed that today yeah me too i was like oh my

[01:48:34] was that damn all right i was very impressed i really want to know where the people inside see

[01:48:40] out of the mouths oh the mouths the mouths yeah yeah because their heads are like

[01:48:45] they said it was seriously unpleasant yeah that makes sense yeah

[01:48:52] it was seriously unpleasant i hated that job

[01:48:55] i became iconic actually they all say i mean in her show as well they all say really really good

[01:49:02] things about it and they they don't regret their time i think it would be lovely to go to work and

[01:49:07] just be allowed to bumble about yeah yeah i don't i don't know if it was a physically nice it's not

[01:49:14] a job that ai is gonna take no ai can't bumble for shit did you see that tweet that was like ai

[01:49:21] can't take my job because i do nothing yeah

[01:49:27] yeah i i like it i mean i mainly i kind of just like anything that andrew davenport touches

[01:49:33] because the sort of running thread of his work is it really really understands children and it also is

[01:49:46] funny there's a lot in his shows that are really funny i think they at no point have i ever felt like

[01:49:52] any of the ragdoll stuff talks down to children it meets them at their level and yeah 100 goes from

[01:49:58] there because it's like right you we're going for this age group we're gonna just go for it we're

[01:50:03] not gonna talk to them like they're stupid because they're two that's not how it works and they mainly

[01:50:08] wanted to entertain them they i mean yes it's educational because every tv has to be at least

[01:50:14] a little bit um but yeah tots tv and rosie and jim are obviously really funny but they took what they

[01:50:21] learned from rosie and jim about how toss tv is savage it's so funny i'm just remembering all the

[01:50:28] scathing shit they say they just love the kids loved how naughty they all were so they put you know

[01:50:34] they put that into telly tubbies when when they fell on their backs they knew that kids found that

[01:50:39] hilarious so they put that in hey man i find it hilarious when kids fall over as well so

[01:50:48] didn't get you no i reminded me that one time i was walking home from school with one of my

[01:50:55] one of my friends and did you kick elsie in the snow no we watched a kid who must have been

[01:51:01] six if that but you know when kids just go from like to like on the ice just straight to horizontal

[01:51:09] and she be the person that she was was like oh my god are you okay and i had to turn around

[01:51:15] because i was laughing so much arthur tells me a story about um a mum or a childminder pushing a

[01:51:23] pram and had a very young child walking alongside the pram and he said that he saw this child fall over

[01:51:30] and the adult went the adult said twice

[01:51:47] the first time i ever got a pair of dms i remember wearing them in i think i got them for like my

[01:51:54] 15th birthday or something and i was wearing them to school in the snow and i was like crossing the road

[01:52:01] to go into a shop and the there was like a slope like there was like the road and the pavements

[01:52:07] were like sloped down so i was like walking down the slope into the shop and i was like i was like

[01:52:12] yeah this is i've got a grip on these shoes i'm fine no not dms yeah and i slipped down the slope

[01:52:19] straight into the door like and then like through the door no my feet like landed on the door and

[01:52:26] everyone on the road saw me do it and in the shop saw me do it so i was like well either i can go down

[01:52:31] the road where everyone saw me do it or i could go at the shop where everyone saw me do it i once we

[01:52:38] were skiing and we like the kids were taken sledding and i was on one of those circular ones you know

[01:52:43] oh yeah didn't i was like five and i had no

[01:52:48] it's like a just a plastic yeah yeah yeah

[01:52:50] fish the circular plastic dish people that ski

[01:52:55] uh i'm gonna continue i haven't skied since i was a child we've been poor for a long time

[01:53:00] um no oh get get get the violins out i'm kidding oh i've forgotten how to ski

[01:53:08] yeah i'd break my neck i've never tried i already offered to teach you no okay oh you're not gonna get

[01:53:15] me on any pair of skis but it's so fun it's it's it's the adult sports holiday where everyone gets

[01:53:22] wankered the whole time and then goes down a mountain i can do that in the kitchen tell your story

[01:53:27] i was on it uh and like i didn't know how to stop this so i was like and then all the other kids got

[01:53:33] to the bottom of where we were supposed to be sledding and stopped and skid and they were like

[01:53:36] okay and then the adults just stood there amazed as i went straight past all of them going very very

[01:53:45] quickly going because i had no idea how to stop myself or slow down and just went all the way

[01:53:51] down the mountain and smacked into someone's like cabin front door and then my parents came and found me

[01:53:58] it would be an awful end to a holiday like being taken to a foreign dentist because all you

[01:54:04] all your teeth are falling out my brother once uh did that he had to get taken off the mountain on a um

[01:54:11] airlift stretcher thing because he'd fall i don't remember what he did he was fine this doesn't

[01:54:19] happen to you if you can't afford to go skiing yeah no that's true that was the telly dubbies

[01:54:24] everyone thank you for listening um i think that we've covered that pretty comprehensively at this

[01:54:30] point i mean yeah i don't think there was anything left to say about it i mean we we've even spoken

[01:54:35] about it in other episodes because it's a fucking titan in children's telly it is the work of those

[01:54:41] two it just finds itself everywhere else so bye bye tinky winky bye bye bye dipsy

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