Winnie the Pooh

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[00:01:09] That's what people said about me at school.

[00:01:12] This one poo take two.

[00:01:35] Poo two.

[00:01:36] Poo two.

[00:01:37] Electric boogaloo.

[00:01:39] Electric boogaloo.

[00:01:40] We need the poo. Electric booga poo.

[00:01:42] So for those of you who don't know, we sat down to record the other night and plugged everything in and the audio mixer was flashing.

[00:01:53] And we thought, oh no, that's fine. It's still working.

[00:01:56] Yeah, it's still connected to the laptop.

[00:01:57] But when I put my headphones in, it was talking like this and it was like, oh, it only, I can only hear it through the phones when it's flashing.

[00:02:05] Like when the lights are on.

[00:02:07] The light, it was like on, off, on, off.

[00:02:09] And when it was on, it was recording.

[00:02:10] When it was off, it was not recording.

[00:02:12] I just think it was a power issue that we can't, you can't open those ones.

[00:02:16] So we couldn't do anything about it.

[00:02:18] Yeah, we couldn't crack it open and work out.

[00:02:20] I mean, even if we did get it open, what would we do? Come on.

[00:02:22] I could maybe have it.

[00:02:24] You make hard maybe.

[00:02:26] We've been talking about getting a new one for a while.

[00:02:29] So we were like, because our instincts was like, just get a new one because we need to record ASAP.

[00:02:35] We had a full week of, I mean, it's probably good that we haven't because I've been really sick.

[00:02:41] I'm still really, really sick.

[00:02:42] But we had like a full week of recording planned.

[00:02:46] We were going to do three different things.

[00:02:48] Yeah.

[00:02:50] I don't know if we'll fit that in now, but we'll see.

[00:02:52] We'll see.

[00:02:52] But yeah, so we were like, oh, we'll see if we can get a replacement.

[00:02:56] Then when we realized we weren't going to get a replacement like the next day, we were like, well, we might as well.

[00:03:03] Well, because we were looking on Amazon for like, oh, deliver it tomorrow.

[00:03:06] Buy one that just does it for now.

[00:03:08] Get a new one in the new year.

[00:03:09] But all of them delivered like two days later.

[00:03:12] So we would never get it the next day anyway.

[00:03:14] So we were like, all right, let's just splash out.

[00:03:18] Buy the one.

[00:03:19] Buy the good one.

[00:03:20] And very luckily, we have lovely patrons.

[00:03:23] Yeah, we have to really thank our patrons.

[00:03:25] So if you if you're on Patreon today, I unboxed this new mixer and that you have paid for.

[00:03:32] And we're very grateful.

[00:03:34] And on the Patreon, I'm going to post my experiments with the sound effects that it has.

[00:03:41] So this is like a proper like music.

[00:03:44] Yamaha.

[00:03:44] Yeah, it's Yamaha.

[00:03:46] And it's got like a reverb setting.

[00:03:48] It's got like 24 like settings that I played around with today.

[00:03:52] We've never had settings before.

[00:03:54] We've never had settings before.

[00:03:55] Love reverb.

[00:03:56] Okay.

[00:03:57] So honestly, it was kind of surreal.

[00:03:59] The DJ setting on a keyboard.

[00:04:03] DJ.

[00:04:04] DJ.

[00:04:05] Why was there like one that went, yeah, like that?

[00:04:08] What was that?

[00:04:10] We were like in year eight, like pressing the yeah button.

[00:04:14] I'm like, what the fuck?

[00:04:15] What's that?

[00:04:16] I don't know.

[00:04:16] There's one that went, ooh.

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:18] Ooh.

[00:04:19] My nan, I hope she still does, but I don't think she does, had an electric organ for some

[00:04:24] fucking reason.

[00:04:25] Irish.

[00:04:25] No, no.

[00:04:26] My nan's my mom's mom.

[00:04:27] Oh.

[00:04:27] Not Irish.

[00:04:28] Not Irish.

[00:04:29] An electronic organ.

[00:04:30] An electronic organ.

[00:04:32] Like with the pipes.

[00:04:33] Well, it was electronic, so no pipes.

[00:04:34] So it was kind of surreal to be able to just go to our Patreon and be like, I guess.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:42] Um, that like to have the problem solved so quickly and just to be able to do that is

[00:04:46] incredible.

[00:04:47] So we're so, so grateful.

[00:04:49] Majority Patreon.

[00:04:51] And then also.

[00:04:52] Coffee.

[00:04:53] Coffee?

[00:04:53] Coffee?

[00:04:54] Coffee.

[00:04:55] Yeah.

[00:04:55] Um, so thank you so much.

[00:04:57] Also, this show is very much, all the money you give us goes straight back into the podcast.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:02] You described it as a trust.

[00:05:03] It's a trust.

[00:05:06] You know, like schools that are trusts, all the money's supposed to go back into the school.

[00:05:10] It's supposed to.

[00:05:10] Well, the only money that we've ever gotten from like Patreon or ad revenue or anything

[00:05:14] that hasn't been spent on directly into the back into the podcast has been spent on like

[00:05:21] bills.

[00:05:21] Bills.

[00:05:21] So, and we, and we work from home.

[00:05:24] We do this from home.

[00:05:25] So you're, you're funding for me to.

[00:05:28] Turn on the lights.

[00:05:29] Turn on the lights and heat my home.

[00:05:32] And power the equipment.

[00:05:34] You know, if your podcasters are happy, the podcast will be better.

[00:05:40] But we're very, very grateful.

[00:05:41] We're very grateful.

[00:05:41] Thank you so much.

[00:05:42] Because it was nice to be able to go, oh, well, we don't even need to get a cheap replacement.

[00:05:47] We can just get the one we want.

[00:05:49] Yeah.

[00:05:50] And then we won't have to buy another one in the future.

[00:05:52] We have suspected that that one's been on its last legs for a while.

[00:05:55] Oh, since I bought it.

[00:05:56] And it's so light in a way that if you pick up electronics and they're light, you're like,

[00:06:00] ooh.

[00:06:00] Yeah, like this one is so noticeably heavier than it.

[00:06:03] And they're not, it's not even that much bigger, but it's much heavier.

[00:06:07] And well, it does a lot more.

[00:06:09] It does do a lot more.

[00:06:10] And it's a lot more metal involved in that one.

[00:06:13] Oh, yeah.

[00:06:14] I don't think there's any metal.

[00:06:15] No, it is.

[00:06:16] It's entirely.

[00:06:17] Yes, I see the metal you're pointing at there, but I don't think it counts.

[00:06:20] That's the only metal in the entire thing is the like insert.

[00:06:24] More followers for not testing the equipment before two minutes before we're about to record.

[00:06:30] Yeah, there was like a final moment where Laura went, right.

[00:06:34] Yeah.

[00:06:34] No, we can't record tonight.

[00:06:36] I was trying.

[00:06:37] I was like doing stuff.

[00:06:38] I tried.

[00:06:40] And no.

[00:06:41] I'll be honest with you.

[00:06:43] I felt so shit on that day.

[00:06:45] I was out of my mind thrilled.

[00:06:46] And we can't record.

[00:06:47] I was like, yeah, I get to go to bed.

[00:06:51] Night, night.

[00:06:53] But last night, Meg then spent a good two hours dancing and singing.

[00:06:59] Yeah.

[00:07:00] I think I was a bit delirious.

[00:07:01] I'll be honest.

[00:07:02] I put on, what was the one song that you really went for?

[00:07:07] Was it American Boy by Estelle and Kanye West?

[00:07:09] So it was, she did Love Shack.

[00:07:13] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:14] And then also Plan B.

[00:07:16] Meg loves the B-52s.

[00:07:18] Like I quite like the B-52s, but Meg loves the B-52s.

[00:07:21] I think you were talking about Amazing by George Michael.

[00:07:24] Oh, yes.

[00:07:24] You really went for it with Amazing because you couldn't remember what it was called

[00:07:28] until right before he said Amazing.

[00:07:30] And you did a full, very funny performance.

[00:07:34] Got a couple of thank yous before, some more thank yous before we start.

[00:07:39] Meg's parents got us all advent calendars as they have been doing for the past maybe three years.

[00:07:45] So thank you, Vicky and Paul.

[00:07:47] I think four or five.

[00:07:48] The whole time we're going to be here.

[00:07:50] And we also got some treats in a box from my parents.

[00:07:57] Loose in a box.

[00:07:58] Yeah, no, it was, they were, they were truffled and we've got them in a box and it was addressed

[00:08:03] to the thoughts.

[00:08:04] So collectively, even our parents now refer to us as the thoughts, not, you know, Elsie

[00:08:11] and her friends.

[00:08:12] No, it's the thoughts.

[00:08:14] And next week we're going out for dinner with Laura's dad.

[00:08:17] Yeah.

[00:08:17] So thanks, Laura's dad.

[00:08:18] Did we figure out who sent us the calendar?

[00:08:20] Yeah, that was.

[00:08:20] Elsie's mum and dad.

[00:08:21] Yeah.

[00:08:21] Okay, cool.

[00:08:22] Thank you again, Siobhan and Adrian.

[00:08:25] We, the funny thing is we tasked Elsie with getting an advent, it was her turn to get

[00:08:30] an advent calendar.

[00:08:31] No, no, sorry.

[00:08:33] We tasked Elsie with getting a calendar because it was her turn.

[00:08:37] And then one arrived and Laura was like, oh, I think it's a calendar because we said she

[00:08:42] needs to get a calendar.

[00:08:43] And I went to her when she got home and she had no recollection.

[00:08:46] I was like, I don't know what this is.

[00:08:47] It's David Shrigley.

[00:08:49] It's Shriggers.

[00:08:49] We love David Shrigley in this house.

[00:08:51] So, yeah.

[00:08:54] Jack is it?

[00:08:55] Okay, so let us set the scene.

[00:09:01] We did...

[00:09:02] I was just getting them out because I've shamed her.

[00:09:04] We did a poll on Instagram at the beginning of this season.

[00:09:09] So this is the finale of season four.

[00:09:13] It's so funny because we always feel so beholden to cover all the ones that people voted for and

[00:09:19] yet you've all definitely forgotten.

[00:09:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:22] You don't know what this episode is going to be.

[00:09:24] And for every category.

[00:09:25] So we did like this one or this one, this one or this one.

[00:09:28] We did that four times and you all voted for each one for the one I did not want to do.

[00:09:34] And I've been delighted with the results.

[00:09:36] But this one I was the most nervous about.

[00:09:39] Should we just say...

[00:09:40] Let's recap of the ones that we'd so...

[00:09:43] What else?

[00:09:44] Previously on Thoughts TV.

[00:09:46] Wait, let me get them up.

[00:09:47] This season on Thoughts TV.

[00:09:49] I don't remember.

[00:09:50] Let me just get them up.

[00:09:51] So we did Dora the Explorer.

[00:09:55] The alternative was Curious George.

[00:09:58] Because monkey sidekicks.

[00:10:00] We did the Basil Brush Show.

[00:10:03] The alternative was Bear Behaving Badly.

[00:10:07] We did Teletubbies.

[00:10:10] The alternative was 64 Zoo Lane.

[00:10:15] And we did...

[00:10:16] And now we're at the Bears.

[00:10:19] It was Paddington or this, wasn't it?

[00:10:21] Paddington or Winnie the Pooh.

[00:10:22] And obviously Winnie the Pooh won.

[00:10:24] Which is fine because I'm not...

[00:10:27] She's not emotionally ready.

[00:10:28] Paddington.

[00:10:29] Paddington is a big one for me.

[00:10:31] I'm not ready for it yet.

[00:10:32] I was not a Paddington child.

[00:10:33] So that one's going to be...

[00:10:34] I wasn't even a Paddington child.

[00:10:36] I'm a fucking Paddington adult.

[00:10:37] It's actually embarrassing.

[00:10:39] Oh, it's Disney adults.

[00:10:41] I'm a fucking Paddington adult.

[00:10:45] I've got no legs to stand on.

[00:10:47] Yeah, but take this back three years ago.

[00:10:48] I was like, Meg, when are you going to watch Paddington?

[00:10:50] Meg, when are you going to watch Paddington?

[00:10:51] Okay, I'll watch it.

[00:10:51] And in the first four minutes, she was crying.

[00:10:54] Also, there's no Paddington world.

[00:10:57] Paddington is a force for good in the world.

[00:10:59] It's a pro-immigrant story.

[00:11:02] We watched Paddington 2 on my 22nd birthday.

[00:11:06] Do you remember?

[00:11:08] So I watched the second one first.

[00:11:09] Because obviously it's the better one.

[00:11:11] Yeah, but little baby Paddington at the beginning is so cute.

[00:11:15] I was crying within the first four minutes of the film.

[00:11:19] Yeah, and the first three minutes were taken up by, I think, studio idents.

[00:11:25] I just feel like being a Paddington adult,

[00:11:28] you're not contributing to some giant corporation

[00:11:33] that I think is fairly just ethically bad, you know?

[00:11:38] Yeah.

[00:11:39] Paddington, I think, is a net force for good.

[00:11:41] I'm not so sure about Disney.

[00:11:43] But Winnie the Pooh won.

[00:11:44] And I had a lot of Winnie the Pooh as a kid.

[00:11:49] Yeah, it's not exactly a TV show.

[00:11:51] There have been many Winnie the Pooh TV shows,

[00:11:54] which we'll touch on a little bit.

[00:11:55] Mainly we're going to be talking about the history of the book.

[00:11:58] The history of the IP, kind of.

[00:12:00] Yeah, exactly.

[00:12:01] The Disney movie, the original,

[00:12:03] The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh.

[00:12:07] And just what that film and what the characters mean to us.

[00:12:11] So that is the finale of season four,

[00:12:15] as voted for by you, the listeners.

[00:12:18] Oh, just one more note before we begin.

[00:12:21] I, with this being a Disney property,

[00:12:24] I know it's in public domain now,

[00:12:26] but we're going to be talking about the,

[00:12:28] yeah, it is, that's how they made Blood and Honey.

[00:12:30] Ah, okay.

[00:12:32] Which is the horror film.

[00:12:34] I presumably touch on that later.

[00:12:36] I don't think any of us watched it.

[00:12:37] No, but did you know that it has 3% on Rotten Tomatoes?

[00:12:43] That is quite impressive.

[00:12:44] It's amazing, isn't it?

[00:12:46] 3%.

[00:12:47] Someone liked it.

[00:12:48] That's true, someone liked it.

[00:12:51] I mean, that's all I want in my life

[00:12:54] with the things I make is for someone to like them.

[00:12:57] Yeah, with this being a Disney thing,

[00:13:00] I'm not sure about how clip heavy this is going to be.

[00:13:05] So, we're the most vultuous DMC takedown company

[00:13:10] probably ever.

[00:13:11] Probably ever.

[00:13:12] Have I told the story on the podcast

[00:13:14] of the time I got issued a cease and desist by Disney?

[00:13:20] I was literally about 14, maybe 14 or 15,

[00:13:24] and I was like selling stuff on Redbubble,

[00:13:27] and I'd done like a baby Groot that was,

[00:13:32] I was like selling on stuff,

[00:13:34] and I was issued a cease and desist by Disney.

[00:13:38] Terrifying to a 14-year-old.

[00:13:40] Well, I don't think I took it that seriously.

[00:13:42] I just, the thing gets taken down,

[00:13:45] and you, I'm pretty sure you can just,

[00:13:47] as long as you don't use the words that attribute to it,

[00:13:52] they can't really do anything about it.

[00:13:53] Baby tree character.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:56] I emailed my mum's cousin because,

[00:13:59] and this is a really good resource to tap,

[00:14:02] he's a lawyer for Disney.

[00:14:04] So.

[00:14:05] He sent Meg the cease and desist.

[00:14:09] I'll ask him.

[00:14:10] I was 14.

[00:14:12] So, I said, listen, hi, we've,

[00:14:16] I'm Siobhan's daughter,

[00:14:17] I don't know if you remember me.

[00:14:18] Your niece.

[00:14:19] She sends her love.

[00:14:20] And if I put clips from dialogue and music from Winnie the Pooh on our podcast,

[00:14:29] what, where do we stand legally?

[00:14:31] So, I've not had a reply.

[00:14:34] So, I think we should all,

[00:14:36] for the beginning of our Winnie the Pooh episode,

[00:14:39] sing the opening of the movie.

[00:14:42] We're safe if we do it.

[00:14:44] We're safe if we do it.

[00:14:45] So, it goes,

[00:14:45] I think you guys should do this.

[00:14:47] I don't know if my voice is onto it.

[00:14:49] Okay.

[00:14:50] What a great excuse.

[00:14:52] This could be the room of any small boy,

[00:14:55] but it just happens to belong to a boy named Christopher Robin.

[00:15:00] Like most small boys,

[00:15:02] Christopher Robin has toy animals to play with,

[00:15:05] and they all live together in a wonderful world of make-believe.

[00:15:10] But his best friend is a bear called Winnie the Pooh,

[00:15:14] or Pooh for short.

[00:15:17] Now, Pooh had some very unusual adventures,

[00:15:20] and they all happened right here in the Hundred Acre Wood.

[00:15:24] Deep in the Hundred Acre Wood,

[00:15:30] where Christopher Robin plays,

[00:15:35] you'll find the enchanted name

[00:15:39] of Christopher's childhood day.

[00:15:47] Winnie the Pooh,

[00:15:49] Winnie the Pooh,

[00:15:51] fluffy little nubanar stuffed with fluff.

[00:15:54] It's Winnie the Pooh,

[00:15:57] Winnie the Pooh,

[00:16:03] so good guys.

[00:16:05] I don't think I could have punished it.

[00:16:09] Disney is the reason that the

[00:16:13] public domain laws in the US are so long.

[00:16:16] They're lobbying practices

[00:16:19] of what made it extend to being so,

[00:16:22] because they wanted to protect Mickey Mouse

[00:16:24] from going to the public domain.

[00:16:25] They tried again when it got close to the public domain,

[00:16:28] and they failed,

[00:16:29] because it's like we can't push it

[00:16:30] more than 90 years, guys.

[00:16:32] Come on.

[00:16:33] The good news is,

[00:16:34] you can put as many clips from Blood and Honey in

[00:16:37] as you like.

[00:16:38] Yeah!

[00:16:41] So you just intercept it with

[00:16:43] these horrible clips from Blood and Honey.

[00:16:45] That would be really funny.

[00:16:47] You could probably put some clips from the Russian Winnie the Pooh in.

[00:16:51] Yeah!

[00:16:52] Oh yeah, if you've not...

[00:16:53] Okay, so the Soviet Union made an adaptation...

[00:16:56] Before Disney made an adaptation of Winnie the Pooh,

[00:16:58] and just Google 1969...

[00:17:01] No, yeah, 69 Winnie the Pooh Soviet Union.

[00:17:05] It's mad.

[00:17:07] Yeah.

[00:17:07] It's really cool, actually.

[00:17:08] Yeah.

[00:17:09] But it's not Winnie the Pooh,

[00:17:10] it's a different thing,

[00:17:11] but that's fine.

[00:17:12] Right, so...

[00:17:13] Alan Alexander Milne,

[00:17:15] A.A. Milne,

[00:17:16] moved to Cotchford Farm

[00:17:18] after World War I.

[00:17:20] So he fought on the front line,

[00:17:22] and when he couldn't do that anymore,

[00:17:25] because of his writing talents,

[00:17:29] he was picked to be part of a secret propaganda unit.

[00:17:33] That's pretty cool.

[00:17:34] Yeah, so by the end of the war,

[00:17:36] there was a lot of anti-war sentiment,

[00:17:38] so it was...

[00:17:40] Oh, can't be having that!

[00:17:41] Oh!

[00:17:41] Exactly.

[00:17:42] So he was employed to write lots of,

[00:17:45] you know,

[00:17:45] The Germans Are Evil

[00:17:46] and Britain's Amazing kind of media, right?

[00:17:49] Imperialist bullshit.

[00:17:50] Well, yes.

[00:17:52] So he was a pacifist,

[00:17:55] but he followed his orders, you know.

[00:17:58] Conforming fucking Alan.

[00:18:00] Most of his career,

[00:18:01] he was an essayist and a humorist,

[00:18:03] and he wrote for, you know,

[00:18:05] magazines and stuff.

[00:18:07] Yeah, previous to them moving to the countryside,

[00:18:09] they lived in, like, Sloane Square.

[00:18:11] They were very, very wealthy,

[00:18:12] just to be clear.

[00:18:13] So then when he moved to the countryside

[00:18:15] and he had his son,

[00:18:17] he became more interested

[00:18:19] in children's writing.

[00:18:22] So he wrote a poem called Teddy Bear

[00:18:24] in 1924,

[00:18:25] which mentioned Mr. Edward Bear,

[00:18:28] which Christopher Robin,

[00:18:30] his son,

[00:18:32] later renamed Winnie the Pooh.

[00:18:35] So he named it Winnie

[00:18:37] after a bear he'd seen in London Zoo

[00:18:40] from Winnipeg,

[00:18:41] who was called Winnie.

[00:18:43] Aww!

[00:18:43] I know.

[00:18:45] And he came out with a book of poetry

[00:18:48] for children in 1924

[00:18:50] called When We Were Very Young.

[00:18:52] And I think that poem was part of it.

[00:18:55] And Winnie the Pooh

[00:18:57] appeared in 1925.

[00:19:00] It was called The Wrong Sort of Honey.

[00:19:03] It was just a short story

[00:19:05] called The Wrong Sort of Honey.

[00:19:07] And it's the first story

[00:19:08] that appears in the Winnie the Pooh book

[00:19:10] that is just a series

[00:19:11] of Winnie the Pooh stories.

[00:19:12] But it appeared on its own.

[00:19:14] But it appeared on its own

[00:19:16] on Christmas Eve

[00:19:18] in the London Evening News.

[00:19:20] So that connects this to Christmas,

[00:19:22] I guess.

[00:19:23] It's tenuous, but you know.

[00:19:24] And that was the first appearance

[00:19:25] of Winnie the Pooh

[00:19:26] with the name Winnie the Pooh.

[00:19:27] And all of his work

[00:19:30] with Winnie the Pooh

[00:19:31] was illustrated by

[00:19:33] Ernest H. Shepard.

[00:19:35] An Ernest Shepard?

[00:19:37] Just an Ernest Shepard.

[00:19:39] And it's that...

[00:19:40] I mean, you know it.

[00:19:41] It's the simple line drawings.

[00:19:43] It's very reminiscent to me

[00:19:45] of Beatrix Potter kind of thing.

[00:19:47] Yes.

[00:19:47] They did...

[00:19:48] There was...

[00:19:49] In, I think,

[00:19:52] 2018?

[00:19:54] 2017?

[00:19:54] 2018?

[00:19:55] There was an exhibition of it

[00:19:57] at the V&A

[00:19:58] that I went to see.

[00:19:59] It was fantastic.

[00:20:00] It was a fantastic exhibition.

[00:20:02] And loads of people I knew

[00:20:04] went to see

[00:20:04] and it was pretty much sold out.

[00:20:05] But they'd, like,

[00:20:07] dressed the exhibition

[00:20:08] like you were in

[00:20:11] the storybook.

[00:20:11] I have the fucking

[00:20:13] pamphlet thing.

[00:20:14] The V&A.

[00:20:14] It's, like, yellow

[00:20:15] with a wide-out Winnie the Pooh

[00:20:16] holding a balloon.

[00:20:17] Yeah.

[00:20:18] And there were, like,

[00:20:19] balloons

[00:20:20] and, like,

[00:20:21] the whole thing

[00:20:22] had been, like,

[00:20:23] it was, like,

[00:20:24] illustrated around

[00:20:24] all of the...

[00:20:26] It was really cool.

[00:20:27] In fact,

[00:20:27] even the webpage,

[00:20:29] like,

[00:20:29] there's little bees

[00:20:30] that follow your cursor

[00:20:31] around on the webpage.

[00:20:33] They really put a lot of thought

[00:20:34] into presenting it.

[00:20:36] It was lovely.

[00:20:39] And the only reason

[00:20:40] for being a bee

[00:20:41] is to make honey.

[00:20:44] The only reason

[00:20:47] for making honey

[00:20:48] is so I can eat it.

[00:20:50] Do you remember in,

[00:20:52] I think it must have been

[00:20:52] second year,

[00:20:53] we lived with someone,

[00:20:54] Lucy,

[00:20:55] who is obsessed

[00:20:57] with Winnie the Pooh.

[00:20:57] She is obsessed with it.

[00:20:58] With Winnie the Pooh.

[00:20:58] She loved it.

[00:20:59] Like, she had, what,

[00:21:00] like, 18 Winnie the Poohs

[00:21:01] at uni.

[00:21:01] She had more at home

[00:21:02] or something ridiculous.

[00:21:04] And I remember

[00:21:04] sometime,

[00:21:05] first or second year,

[00:21:05] we were trying to plan

[00:21:07] something to do

[00:21:08] that we thought

[00:21:09] would be fun

[00:21:10] and escape rooms

[00:21:11] were getting more popular.

[00:21:12] Do you remember

[00:21:13] we looked into an escape room?

[00:21:14] I can't remember where.

[00:21:15] It was a Winnie the Pooh

[00:21:16] themed escape room.

[00:21:17] It looked amazing.

[00:21:18] It looked adorable.

[00:21:19] It was so expensive.

[00:21:22] It was absolutely

[00:21:24] ludicrously expensive

[00:21:25] for all of us.

[00:21:26] For even one person

[00:21:27] to go,

[00:21:27] ludicrously expensive.

[00:21:28] When you're a student

[00:21:29] and you've got no money.

[00:21:30] Yeah.

[00:21:31] And it's like,

[00:21:31] we can't do that.

[00:21:32] You go to an escape room

[00:21:33] on your own.

[00:21:33] It's like anything more sad.

[00:21:35] We go to the Winnie the Pooh

[00:21:36] escape room on your own.

[00:21:37] Like,

[00:21:37] absolutely not.

[00:21:38] But I think,

[00:21:39] I think the art

[00:21:40] is like probably

[00:21:41] my favorite thing.

[00:21:42] I mean,

[00:21:43] so much has come off of it

[00:21:44] and like so much merch

[00:21:46] and stuff that you can get

[00:21:47] and,

[00:21:47] but the original art

[00:21:49] is like fantastic

[00:21:51] and it's what I remember

[00:21:52] of it from being a kid.

[00:21:54] To me,

[00:21:54] that is what

[00:21:54] Winnie the Pooh is.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:56] Even,

[00:21:56] I mean,

[00:21:57] to me,

[00:21:58] Winnie the Pooh

[00:21:58] doesn't even,

[00:21:59] in my head,

[00:22:00] have the red jumper

[00:22:03] and how that came about,

[00:22:05] I'll talk about in a minute.

[00:22:06] But,

[00:22:07] I was thinking this

[00:22:08] the other day,

[00:22:09] how it's interesting

[00:22:09] that both Winnie the Pooh

[00:22:11] and Paddington

[00:22:12] have this

[00:22:13] because

[00:22:14] the original Paddington

[00:22:16] doesn't have a red hat.

[00:22:18] He has a black hat,

[00:22:19] the duffel coat

[00:22:20] and red welly boots.

[00:22:22] Oh yeah.

[00:22:23] Of course he does.

[00:22:24] The original

[00:22:25] Winnie the Pooh

[00:22:26] doesn't have the t-shirt.

[00:22:27] The reason that Paddington

[00:22:29] was given the welly boots

[00:22:30] and obviously we'll talk about this

[00:22:31] when we eventually do it

[00:22:32] but it's because

[00:22:33] it was stop motion

[00:22:34] and the bear kept

[00:22:35] falling over.

[00:22:36] Oh,

[00:22:37] that's interesting.

[00:22:38] And to give him something

[00:22:39] that would stand him up.

[00:22:41] But yeah,

[00:22:41] then it evolved

[00:22:42] and now he's got a red hat

[00:22:43] and the duffel coat.

[00:22:45] He always keeps marmalade sandwiches

[00:22:46] in.

[00:22:46] And no boots.

[00:22:47] Yeah.

[00:22:47] Because it would be ridiculous

[00:22:48] if a bear had boots,

[00:22:49] no?

[00:22:50] When I was very young,

[00:22:52] I think this was before

[00:22:53] even Arthur was born.

[00:22:54] It was like a very,

[00:22:55] very early memory of mine.

[00:22:57] My parents...

[00:22:58] Two-ish, right?

[00:22:58] Yeah.

[00:22:59] I don't know how old Arthur is.

[00:23:00] He's about three years

[00:23:01] younger than me.

[00:23:03] My parents put up

[00:23:05] framed pictures

[00:23:06] of the art

[00:23:08] of Winnie the Pooh

[00:23:09] and I think

[00:23:10] they got it

[00:23:11] by photocopying

[00:23:13] the book.

[00:23:14] I think they just

[00:23:15] printed it out

[00:23:16] and put it on my wall

[00:23:17] for me.

[00:23:18] On that,

[00:23:18] I literally just remembered

[00:23:19] it.

[00:23:19] It has come up

[00:23:20] on the podcast before

[00:23:21] but it's very worth

[00:23:21] saying now.

[00:23:22] My brother's bedroom,

[00:23:24] before he was born,

[00:23:25] my parents wanted to

[00:23:26] decorate it for kids,

[00:23:27] right?

[00:23:27] And my mum

[00:23:28] hand-painted

[00:23:29] a Winnie the Pooh...

[00:23:30] Winnie the Pooh?

[00:23:32] A Winnie the Pooh...

[00:23:34] Pepe the Pooh?

[00:23:35] A Winnie the Pooh...

[00:23:37] Oh my god.

[00:23:39] A Winnie the Pooh mural

[00:23:41] on my brother's wall

[00:23:42] so it was like

[00:23:43] sky blue,

[00:23:44] like the backgrounds

[00:23:45] painted directly

[00:23:47] on the wall flat.

[00:23:47] And then I don't know

[00:23:48] what she used

[00:23:49] but the actual characters

[00:23:50] she did in a way

[00:23:51] that they came off

[00:23:52] the wall.

[00:23:53] So when my brother

[00:23:54] was older

[00:23:54] he was like

[00:23:55] guys,

[00:23:55] I'm 30.

[00:23:57] Can I not have

[00:23:59] a Winnie the Pooh mural

[00:24:00] on my wall?

[00:24:01] I want to bring

[00:24:02] girls back or something.

[00:24:04] And they were like

[00:24:05] yeah sure

[00:24:05] but we put up wallpaper

[00:24:06] and you could still feel

[00:24:08] the characters

[00:24:08] through the wallpaper

[00:24:09] and you're like

[00:24:09] here's the outline

[00:24:10] of Winnie the Pooh.

[00:24:12] And they persist.

[00:24:13] Yeah, she did it

[00:24:14] she did like

[00:24:14] the black outline

[00:24:15] and then the colour

[00:24:17] in the middle as well.

[00:24:18] It was super good.

[00:24:20] Myron just was

[00:24:21] painted yellow.

[00:24:22] I wonder who was

[00:24:23] the favourite girl.

[00:24:25] Oh, we know.

[00:24:26] We were just

[00:24:27] painting the colour

[00:24:28] of the bear.

[00:24:28] That's a good one.

[00:24:30] She can pretend.

[00:24:32] So in 1926

[00:24:34] a full story collection

[00:24:35] called Winnie the Pooh

[00:24:37] was released.

[00:24:38] So it was released

[00:24:39] in October 1926

[00:24:40] and by the end

[00:24:43] of that year

[00:24:45] almost 200,000 copies

[00:24:47] had sold.

[00:24:48] No way.

[00:24:48] So within a couple

[00:24:49] of months.

[00:24:49] And there was only

[00:24:50] about 200,000 people

[00:24:51] on the planet

[00:24:51] at that time.

[00:24:52] Isn't it?

[00:24:53] Especially in the UK.

[00:24:54] Yeah, pretty much everyone.

[00:24:55] Actually it was a

[00:24:56] huge success in the US.

[00:24:58] It was massive.

[00:25:00] Like before

[00:25:00] before Disney

[00:25:01] got their hands

[00:25:02] on it in the 60s

[00:25:03] it was huge.

[00:25:05] They loved it.

[00:25:05] Yeah.

[00:25:06] I will say that

[00:25:06] the art has such

[00:25:07] a staying power

[00:25:08] because until

[00:25:09] extremely recently

[00:25:10] all of the shows

[00:25:12] all of the movies

[00:25:12] were still done

[00:25:13] in that style.

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:15] So they've never

[00:25:16] been out of print.

[00:25:18] They've sold

[00:25:19] 20 million copies

[00:25:21] in 50 languages.

[00:25:23] In 1958

[00:25:25] a Latin translation

[00:25:28] by Alexander Leonard

[00:25:29] Winnie the Pooh

[00:25:31] What the fuck

[00:25:32] is the most useless

[00:25:33] translation ever?

[00:25:35] It's the only book

[00:25:37] in Latin

[00:25:37] to ever become

[00:25:38] a New York Times

[00:25:39] bestseller.

[00:25:40] No way.

[00:25:41] What the fuck?

[00:25:42] I guess

[00:25:43] that's such an achievement.

[00:25:44] If you want to

[00:25:45] teach your kid

[00:25:45] Latin

[00:25:46] for some reason.

[00:25:47] Yeah but loads

[00:25:48] of really popular

[00:25:49] books will have

[00:25:50] Latin translations

[00:25:51] for that to be

[00:25:52] the only one

[00:25:53] that's like

[00:25:53] they'll definitely

[00:25:55] I mean

[00:25:55] I can't say

[00:25:56] definitely

[00:25:56] but there's

[00:25:57] almost definitely

[00:25:58] like Latin

[00:25:59] Harry Potters

[00:26:00] because they're

[00:26:01] so translated

[00:26:02] for like

[00:26:02] language learning

[00:26:03] purposes

[00:26:04] but that's not

[00:26:05] a New York Times

[00:26:06] bestseller.

[00:26:06] So a lot

[00:26:07] of this information

[00:26:08] I've got from

[00:26:09] a Smithsonian

[00:26:11] magazine

[00:26:11] interview

[00:26:12] with the screenwriter

[00:26:14] of Goodbye

[00:26:15] Christopher Robin

[00:26:16] so Frank Cottrell

[00:26:17] Boyce

[00:26:18] he's called

[00:26:18] and

[00:26:19] I mean

[00:26:21] this information

[00:26:21] is available

[00:26:22] everywhere

[00:26:22] but it just

[00:26:22] condensed it

[00:26:23] quite well

[00:26:23] and it had

[00:26:24] an interview

[00:26:25] with him

[00:26:26] so

[00:26:27] this is something

[00:26:28] I'm going to

[00:26:28] quote from

[00:26:29] Frank Cottrell

[00:26:30] Boyce

[00:26:32] basically saying

[00:26:33] that it's

[00:26:34] after the war

[00:26:35] it's kind of

[00:26:36] what Britain

[00:26:36] needed

[00:26:36] so

[00:26:37] this is from

[00:26:39] Cottrell Boyce

[00:26:40] English

[00:26:41] World War I

[00:26:42] posters

[00:26:42] featured rural

[00:26:43] woodlands

[00:26:44] domain of

[00:26:45] Robin Hood

[00:26:46] because that's

[00:26:46] what we were

[00:26:47] fighting for

[00:26:47] the woods

[00:26:48] are part of

[00:26:49] the software

[00:26:49] of the

[00:26:49] English psyche

[00:26:50] and Milne

[00:26:51] captures it

[00:26:51] better than

[00:26:52] anyone

[00:26:52] and I think

[00:26:54] that's

[00:26:56] correct

[00:26:57] it's

[00:26:57] it is a

[00:26:59] nostalgia thing

[00:27:00] it's a

[00:27:00] childhood thing

[00:27:01] and

[00:27:02] the

[00:27:03] sort of

[00:27:05] aesthetic

[00:27:06] of the

[00:27:07] beautiful

[00:27:07] child

[00:27:08] quote unquote

[00:27:08] that the

[00:27:09] Victorians

[00:27:10] were so

[00:27:10] fond of

[00:27:11] it was

[00:27:11] getting

[00:27:12] kind of

[00:27:14] saccharine

[00:27:15] it was

[00:27:15] people were

[00:27:16] falling out

[00:27:17] of love

[00:27:17] with that

[00:27:18] sort of

[00:27:18] imagery

[00:27:19] but

[00:27:19] Milne

[00:27:20] kept

[00:27:21] hanging

[00:27:22] on

[00:27:22] and

[00:27:23] because of

[00:27:24] the war

[00:27:24] people

[00:27:25] felt like

[00:27:26] they really

[00:27:26] wanted

[00:27:26] more of

[00:27:27] that

[00:27:27] and then

[00:27:29] American

[00:27:30] and Canadian

[00:27:31] licenses to

[00:27:33] poo were

[00:27:33] secured from

[00:27:34] Milne by

[00:27:35] a man called

[00:27:36] Stephen

[00:27:36] Schlesinger

[00:27:38] for

[00:27:38] a thousand

[00:27:39] dollars

[00:27:40] and later

[00:27:41] 66% of

[00:27:42] broadcast

[00:27:43] royalties

[00:27:44] sounds cheap

[00:27:45] but I don't

[00:27:45] even have

[00:27:45] a thousand

[00:27:46] dollars

[00:27:46] yeah

[00:27:47] 66% of

[00:27:48] broadcast

[00:27:48] royalties

[00:27:49] is crazy

[00:27:49] it's insane

[00:27:50] isn't it

[00:27:51] it's madness

[00:27:52] what would

[00:27:53] be standard

[00:27:54] now

[00:27:54] I have no

[00:27:55] idea

[00:27:55] but that

[00:27:55] just sounds

[00:27:56] like a lot

[00:27:58] is it

[00:27:59] Alec

[00:27:59] McGinnis

[00:28:00] or Alec

[00:28:00] Guinness

[00:28:01] I don't

[00:28:02] know

[00:28:02] the original

[00:28:03] Obi-Wan

[00:28:04] Kenobi

[00:28:04] he

[00:28:05] oh yeah

[00:28:05] Alec

[00:28:05] Guinness

[00:28:07] so George Lucas

[00:28:08] was like I

[00:28:08] really want

[00:28:09] you to be

[00:28:09] here

[00:28:09] and Alec

[00:28:11] Guinness

[00:28:11] had very

[00:28:11] little faith

[00:28:12] in the

[00:28:12] project

[00:28:12] he was

[00:28:12] like just

[00:28:13] in my

[00:28:14] contract

[00:28:14] just give

[00:28:15] me 1%

[00:28:15] of the

[00:28:16] perpetual

[00:28:16] oh wow

[00:28:17] yeah

[00:28:18] perpetual

[00:28:19] royalties

[00:28:19] for this

[00:28:20] IP

[00:28:20] his family

[00:28:21] is absolutely

[00:28:22] made in the

[00:28:23] shade

[00:28:23] forever

[00:28:24] wouldn't you

[00:28:24] also be

[00:28:25] fuming with

[00:28:26] him for

[00:28:26] oh I don't

[00:28:27] have any

[00:28:28] any faith

[00:28:29] of it

[00:28:29] I'll just

[00:28:29] have 1%

[00:28:31] what do you

[00:28:32] mean

[00:28:34] it could have

[00:28:34] been more

[00:28:35] because I don't

[00:28:36] think he got

[00:28:37] paid traditionally

[00:28:38] so he just was

[00:28:39] like I'll just

[00:28:39] do this

[00:28:40] and that

[00:28:41] holy shit

[00:28:42] was that

[00:28:42] a good idea

[00:28:43] on the other

[00:28:43] side of that

[00:28:44] the man that

[00:28:45] played the

[00:28:46] sax riff in

[00:28:48] Baker Street

[00:28:48] was given the

[00:28:50] option do you

[00:28:50] want royalties

[00:28:51] or just a

[00:28:52] straight fee

[00:28:52] and he chose

[00:28:53] a straight fee

[00:28:55] I mean

[00:28:55] you know

[00:28:56] I think he

[00:28:57] he wasn't

[00:28:58] happy with his

[00:28:58] performance anyway

[00:28:59] but whatever

[00:29:00] and yet no one

[00:29:02] even remembers

[00:29:03] Jerry Rafferty's

[00:29:04] words

[00:29:05] he doesn't even

[00:29:06] play the saxophone

[00:29:08] in that song

[00:29:09] it's another guy

[00:29:11] that we don't

[00:29:11] know his name

[00:29:12] I mean it's

[00:29:13] googleable

[00:29:13] but I haven't

[00:29:14] that is what

[00:29:15] you remember

[00:29:15] of Baker Street

[00:29:17] amazing

[00:29:17] which is a

[00:29:19] fantastic song

[00:29:20] oh yeah

[00:29:20] it's a really

[00:29:21] great song

[00:29:22] you say no one

[00:29:22] remembers the

[00:29:23] words but I'll

[00:29:23] listen to the

[00:29:24] whole thing

[00:29:24] oh yeah me too

[00:29:25] I think it's a

[00:29:25] fantastic song

[00:29:26] so Stephen

[00:29:27] Schlesinger

[00:29:28] was a comic

[00:29:30] book producer

[00:29:30] so characters

[00:29:32] and like

[00:29:33] licensing

[00:29:34] characters

[00:29:35] and making

[00:29:35] them sort of

[00:29:36] merchandisable

[00:29:37] that was his

[00:29:38] big thing

[00:29:39] so he was

[00:29:40] like a proper

[00:29:41] pioneer in

[00:29:42] taking characters

[00:29:43] making big

[00:29:45] franchises out

[00:29:45] of them

[00:29:46] but Winnie the

[00:29:47] Pooh was

[00:29:48] his sort of

[00:29:49] the thing that

[00:29:50] he's remembered

[00:29:51] for the most

[00:29:51] so he is the

[00:29:53] man behind

[00:29:53] giving Pooh

[00:29:54] his red

[00:29:54] jumper

[00:29:54] not Disney

[00:29:55] so he basically

[00:29:57] took all the

[00:29:58] characters from

[00:29:59] Winnie the Pooh

[00:29:59] and he turned

[00:30:00] them into like

[00:30:01] he cemented them

[00:30:02] into like a

[00:30:02] recognizable gang

[00:30:04] and merchandised

[00:30:06] the ever loving

[00:30:07] fuck out of

[00:30:07] them

[00:30:08] which is

[00:30:08] interesting

[00:30:08] because from

[00:30:09] what I was

[00:30:09] reading both

[00:30:10] Christopher Milne

[00:30:11] and AA Milne

[00:30:13] didn't want that

[00:30:14] to happen

[00:30:14] to the IP

[00:30:16] they didn't want it

[00:30:17] to be that

[00:30:17] commercialized

[00:30:18] I mean we'll

[00:30:19] we'll get into

[00:30:20] later what

[00:30:21] Christopher Robin

[00:30:22] thinks about this

[00:30:23] whole thing

[00:30:23] so yeah

[00:30:25] thought

[00:30:26] yes

[00:30:28] yes

[00:30:28] that's my

[00:30:29] whole bit

[00:30:29] yes

[00:30:30] so between

[00:30:32] when was it

[00:30:33] was it 1930

[00:30:35] you said I think

[00:30:36] 1929 was you

[00:30:37] were saying

[00:30:38] earlier

[00:30:38] no sorry

[00:30:39] it was 1930

[00:30:40] that Schlesinger

[00:30:41] bought the rights

[00:30:42] so between then

[00:30:44] and 1977

[00:30:45] which was the

[00:30:46] Disney film

[00:30:48] so many

[00:30:50] things were

[00:30:51] made

[00:30:51] so there was a

[00:30:52] section in an

[00:30:53] episode of the

[00:30:53] Shirley Temple

[00:30:54] show

[00:30:55] which was a

[00:30:56] puppet show

[00:30:58] of Winnie the

[00:30:59] Pooh

[00:30:59] and the voices

[00:31:00] are not the

[00:31:01] voices that we

[00:31:02] associate with

[00:31:04] those characters

[00:31:04] they're very

[00:31:05] American

[00:31:05] and they sound

[00:31:06] like adult

[00:31:09] male

[00:31:09] American

[00:31:10] just I mean

[00:31:11] I know that

[00:31:12] that's what

[00:31:12] Sterling Holloway

[00:31:13] was but it's

[00:31:14] not the same

[00:31:15] and to watch

[00:31:52] it is

[00:31:52] it's quite an

[00:31:54] unsettling

[00:31:55] puppet show

[00:31:56] actually but

[00:31:56] that's just one

[00:31:57] example like

[00:31:58] they were on

[00:31:58] the Shirley Temple

[00:31:59] show in between

[00:32:00] it belonging to

[00:32:01] Disney and

[00:32:02] belonging to

[00:32:03] A.A. Milne

[00:32:04] so in 1961

[00:32:07] that's when

[00:32:07] Disney got their

[00:32:09] hands on it

[00:32:09] Do they own the

[00:32:09] full intellectual

[00:32:11] property?

[00:32:12] Like do they own

[00:32:12] everything?

[00:32:13] Disney?

[00:32:13] Yeah

[00:32:14] Yeah

[00:32:15] So in 1961

[00:32:17] yes but before

[00:32:19] The Many Adventures

[00:32:19] of Winnie the Pooh

[00:32:20] it was already big

[00:32:22] and he already had

[00:32:23] his red shirt

[00:32:23] which I was just

[00:32:24] very shocked to

[00:32:25] find out about

[00:32:26] I had no idea

[00:32:27] that it had such

[00:32:28] a long history

[00:32:29] of being made

[00:32:29] into things

[00:32:30] you know

[00:32:30] Is it ever in

[00:32:31] any of the media

[00:32:32] because I know

[00:32:32] that when you

[00:32:33] buy like a bear

[00:32:34] it says poo on

[00:32:35] it in like

[00:32:36] yellow embroidery

[00:32:37] usually

[00:32:37] Oh yeah it does

[00:32:38] Oh yeah it does

[00:32:39] It is shit

[00:32:40] Yeah

[00:32:40] But I don't think

[00:32:41] Like he's written

[00:32:42] on his own

[00:32:43] Yeah

[00:32:44] But embroidered

[00:32:45] H is backwards

[00:32:46] isn't it or

[00:32:47] something

[00:32:47] I don't think

[00:32:49] I've ever seen

[00:32:50] any of the shows

[00:32:51] with them have that

[00:32:52] Maybe that would

[00:32:52] be a bit weird

[00:32:53] I don't know

[00:32:54] So this article

[00:32:55] in the magazine

[00:32:55] is talking about

[00:32:56] how even though

[00:32:58] it's become

[00:32:59] a huge franchise

[00:33:01] it's kind of

[00:33:02] amazing that the

[00:33:03] books are still

[00:33:03] remembered as

[00:33:04] the books

[00:33:05] So Frank Cottrell

[00:33:06] Boyce has said

[00:33:07] if you write a

[00:33:08] very good book

[00:33:08] and someone makes

[00:33:09] a very good film

[00:33:10] about it

[00:33:10] the book just

[00:33:11] disappears

[00:33:11] No one reads

[00:33:13] Mary Poppins

[00:33:13] or Pinocchio

[00:33:14] because the films

[00:33:15] are so accomplished

[00:33:15] they've supplanted

[00:33:16] the source

[00:33:17] That's not happened

[00:33:19] with Winnie the Pooh

[00:33:20] I think that

[00:33:21] it depends

[00:33:23] on the source

[00:33:24] material

[00:33:24] because like

[00:33:25] Pinocchio

[00:33:26] is quite an

[00:33:27] old story

[00:33:29] right

[00:33:29] like it's

[00:33:30] it's not like

[00:33:31] that book came out

[00:33:32] and then they made

[00:33:38] how close to the

[00:33:39] creation of the

[00:33:40] media

[00:33:42] based off of the

[00:33:43] source material

[00:33:44] it is

[00:33:44] because like

[00:33:44] Harry Potter

[00:33:46] Yeah of course

[00:33:46] were always super

[00:33:47] popular

[00:33:47] I think that's

[00:33:48] more of a

[00:33:49] if there's a lot

[00:33:49] of distance

[00:33:50] between the book

[00:33:51] and the movie

[00:33:53] that'll create

[00:33:54] the forgetting

[00:33:55] Did Frank Cottrell

[00:33:56] Boyce write

[00:33:57] Millions?

[00:33:58] Is that that guy?

[00:33:59] I think yeah

[00:33:59] he's done a lot

[00:34:00] he's done a bunch

[00:34:01] I was like

[00:34:01] why do I

[00:34:02] recognise that name?

[00:34:03] Yeah yeah yeah

[00:34:03] this is another

[00:34:05] quote from him

[00:34:05] that I

[00:34:06] just found

[00:34:08] really emotional

[00:34:08] actually

[00:34:09] oh sorry

[00:34:10] this is

[00:34:10] sorry this is

[00:34:11] Simon Vaughan

[00:34:12] who said this

[00:34:13] I grew up

[00:34:14] with the books

[00:34:14] Milne's work

[00:34:15] and Shepard's

[00:34:16] illustrations are

[00:34:16] the fabric

[00:34:17] of British life

[00:34:18] Disney's Pooh

[00:34:19] is not definitive

[00:34:19] the books

[00:34:21] were written

[00:34:21] for the nursery

[00:34:23] to be read

[00:34:23] intimately

[00:34:24] to a little child

[00:34:25] the books

[00:34:26] offer a deep

[00:34:27] moment between

[00:34:27] child and parent

[00:34:28] at bedtime

[00:34:29] it's primal

[00:34:30] and comes from

[00:34:31] love

[00:34:32] it's reminded

[00:34:33] just constantly

[00:34:34] all the things

[00:34:34] you're saying

[00:34:34] about Beatrix Potter

[00:34:35] because I think

[00:34:35] you can say

[00:34:36] the exact same

[00:34:36] thing about

[00:34:38] Beatrix Potter

[00:34:38] creating this

[00:34:39] countryside fabric

[00:34:40] of like

[00:34:40] software of the UK

[00:34:42] like you said

[00:34:42] also because then

[00:34:43] Beatrix Potter

[00:34:44] bought up a shit ton

[00:34:45] of land in

[00:34:45] Yorkshire and

[00:34:48] Lancashire

[00:34:48] and then donated

[00:34:49] all of it to

[00:34:49] the National Trust

[00:34:50] what did Milne do?

[00:34:52] To be fair

[00:34:53] that's a pretty

[00:34:54] Tory thing to do

[00:34:56] she wanted the

[00:34:57] land to not be

[00:34:58] developed into farms

[00:34:59] so she bought it

[00:34:59] away from farmers

[00:35:00] so that it

[00:35:01] wouldn't be

[00:35:01] developed so it

[00:35:02] would stay

[00:35:02] wild

[00:35:03] quote unquote

[00:35:04] and that's why

[00:35:05] we had to import

[00:35:06] all of our food

[00:35:06] from Europe

[00:35:07] well no

[00:35:07] we import

[00:35:08] I'm joking

[00:35:09] I'm joking

[00:35:09] two thirds

[00:35:10] of our cheese

[00:35:13] that is a disgrace

[00:35:14] British cheese

[00:35:16] British apples

[00:35:18] I'm going to

[00:35:19] visit a pork farm

[00:35:20] you don't know

[00:35:21] what we've just

[00:35:22] referenced

[00:35:23] oh they do

[00:35:23] they do

[00:35:24] some people

[00:35:24] might not

[00:35:25] because like

[00:35:25] I didn't

[00:35:26] tell you guys

[00:35:26] Google Liz

[00:35:27] Trust cheese

[00:35:28] Liz Trust being

[00:35:29] fucking strange

[00:35:31] anyway it was a

[00:35:32] joke

[00:35:32] yeah

[00:35:33] joke

[00:35:33] that I'm just

[00:35:34] I think 40%

[00:35:35] of our food

[00:35:35] I think it's 60

[00:35:36] it can't remember

[00:35:37] which way around

[00:35:38] it is

[00:35:38] it's a 60-40 split

[00:35:40] but which way

[00:35:40] who knows

[00:35:41] up down

[00:35:43] up

[00:35:44] when I

[00:35:45] up

[00:35:45] down

[00:35:46] touch the ground

[00:35:47] it puts me

[00:35:48] in the mood

[00:35:49] up

[00:35:50] down

[00:35:51] touch the ground

[00:35:52] in the mood

[00:35:54] for food

[00:35:57] I

[00:35:58] I

[00:35:58] stout

[00:35:58] round

[00:35:59] and I

[00:36:00] have

[00:36:00] found

[00:36:00] speaking

[00:36:01] poundage

[00:36:02] wise

[00:36:02] I

[00:36:04] improve

[00:36:04] my

[00:36:05] appetite

[00:36:05] when I

[00:36:06] exercise

[00:36:08] oh

[00:36:09] stuff

[00:36:09] and fluff

[00:36:10] now that

[00:36:11] how do I

[00:36:12] say this

[00:36:12] now that

[00:36:13] I've

[00:36:14] read that

[00:36:15] quote about

[00:36:16] it being

[00:36:16] written

[00:36:17] to be

[00:36:18] read

[00:36:18] to a

[00:36:19] child

[00:36:20] and it's

[00:36:21] it's true

[00:36:22] it feels

[00:36:23] like a

[00:36:23] bedtime

[00:36:24] story

[00:36:25] I just

[00:36:26] want to

[00:36:26] say that

[00:36:26] the first

[00:36:28] story

[00:36:28] the one

[00:36:29] that was

[00:36:30] released in

[00:36:31] the London

[00:36:31] Evening News

[00:36:32] that is the

[00:36:32] first story

[00:36:34] of the book

[00:36:34] as well

[00:36:36] and it

[00:36:37] reads different

[00:36:38] to all the

[00:36:38] others

[00:36:38] it reads

[00:36:40] from the

[00:36:40] point of

[00:36:41] view

[00:36:41] of

[00:36:42] A.A.

[00:36:43] Milne

[00:36:43] reading to

[00:36:43] his child

[00:36:45] the others

[00:36:46] are just

[00:36:46] like

[00:36:47] Christopher

[00:36:47] Robin

[00:36:47] said

[00:36:48] this

[00:36:49] Pooh

[00:36:49] did

[00:36:49] this

[00:36:50] but the

[00:36:51] first one

[00:36:51] is

[00:36:51] and you

[00:36:52] said to

[00:36:52] Winnie

[00:36:53] the Pooh

[00:36:53] oh I

[00:36:54] see

[00:36:55] that's

[00:36:56] really

[00:36:56] cute

[00:36:56] and I

[00:36:57] would

[00:36:57] if you

[00:36:58] will

[00:36:58] indulge

[00:36:59] me

[00:36:59] I

[00:36:59] would

[00:36:59] like

[00:37:00] to

[00:37:00] read

[00:37:00] a little

[00:37:00] bit

[00:37:01] from

[00:37:01] it

[00:37:01] oh I'm

[00:37:02] gonna cry

[00:37:02] I cried

[00:37:03] watching one

[00:37:04] of these

[00:37:04] episodes

[00:37:04] the other

[00:37:05] day

[00:37:06] I

[00:37:06] nearly cry

[00:37:09] every time

[00:37:09] I think

[00:37:10] about that

[00:37:10] how lucky

[00:37:11] I was

[00:37:11] to have

[00:37:11] something

[00:37:12] that makes

[00:37:12] saying

[00:37:12] goodbye

[00:37:13] so sad

[00:37:14] or so

[00:37:14] hard

[00:37:16] it's

[00:37:16] absolutely

[00:37:17] filled

[00:37:18] with little

[00:37:19] sentences

[00:37:19] that are

[00:37:20] just

[00:37:20] through

[00:37:21] the

[00:37:21] chest

[00:37:22] precisely

[00:37:23] designed

[00:37:24] to make

[00:37:24] you cry

[00:37:25] it says

[00:37:26] a lot

[00:37:26] as well

[00:37:26] because I've

[00:37:27] got some

[00:37:27] opinions about

[00:37:28] the characters

[00:37:28] that are not

[00:37:29] gonna be popular

[00:37:30] yeah you think

[00:37:31] that Pooh's a cunt

[00:37:32] it's fine

[00:37:32] yeah

[00:37:32] right

[00:37:33] so

[00:37:35] this is

[00:37:36] the this is a bit

[00:37:37] of the introduction

[00:37:38] this is a bit of

[00:37:39] the introduction

[00:37:39] to the book

[00:37:40] and then I will

[00:37:42] go on

[00:37:43] and read

[00:37:44] a bit of the

[00:37:45] opening

[00:37:46] but hang on

[00:37:47] let's just discuss

[00:37:47] the intro first

[00:37:49] I'm already

[00:37:50] tearing

[00:37:50] up

[00:37:51] lying

[00:37:53] if you happen

[00:37:54] to have read

[00:37:54] another book

[00:37:55] about Christopher

[00:37:55] Robin

[00:37:56] you may remember

[00:37:57] that he once

[00:37:58] had a swan

[00:37:58] or the swan

[00:37:59] had Christopher

[00:38:00] Robin

[00:38:00] I don't know

[00:38:01] which

[00:38:01] that he used

[00:38:02] to call

[00:38:03] this swan

[00:38:03] Pooh

[00:38:04] that was a

[00:38:05] long time

[00:38:06] ago

[00:38:06] and when we

[00:38:07] said goodbye

[00:38:08] we took

[00:38:08] the name

[00:38:08] with us

[00:38:09] as we didn't

[00:38:10] think the

[00:38:10] swan would

[00:38:10] want it

[00:38:11] anymore

[00:38:11] well when

[00:38:12] Edward Bear

[00:38:12] said that he

[00:38:13] would like

[00:38:13] an exciting

[00:38:14] name all

[00:38:14] to himself

[00:38:15] Christopher

[00:38:16] Robin said

[00:38:16] at once

[00:38:17] without stopping

[00:38:17] to think

[00:38:18] that he

[00:38:19] was Winnie

[00:38:19] the Pooh

[00:38:19] and he

[00:38:20] was

[00:38:21] so as I

[00:38:22] have explained

[00:38:23] the Pooh

[00:38:23] part

[00:38:23] I will now

[00:38:24] explain the

[00:38:24] rest of it

[00:38:25] and then I've

[00:38:26] skipped out a

[00:38:26] little bit

[00:38:27] I had written

[00:38:28] as far as

[00:38:28] this when

[00:38:29] Piglet looked

[00:38:29] up and said

[00:38:30] in his squeaky

[00:38:31] voice

[00:38:31] what about

[00:38:31] me

[00:38:32] my dear

[00:38:33] Piglet I

[00:38:33] said the

[00:38:34] whole book

[00:38:34] is about

[00:38:34] you

[00:38:35] so it's

[00:38:36] about Pooh

[00:38:37] he squeaked

[00:38:37] you see

[00:38:38] what it

[00:38:39] is

[00:38:39] he's

[00:38:40] jealous

[00:38:40] because he

[00:38:40] thinks Pooh

[00:38:41] is having

[00:38:41] a grand

[00:38:42] introduction

[00:38:42] all to

[00:38:42] himself

[00:38:43] Pooh

[00:38:44] is the

[00:38:44] favourite

[00:38:44] of course

[00:38:45] there's no

[00:38:45] denying

[00:38:45] it

[00:38:46] but Piglet

[00:38:47] comes in

[00:38:47] for many

[00:38:48] good things

[00:38:48] which Pooh

[00:38:49] misses

[00:38:49] because you

[00:38:50] can't take

[00:38:50] Pooh to

[00:38:51] school

[00:38:51] without

[00:38:51] everyone

[00:38:51] knowing

[00:38:52] it

[00:38:52] but Piglet

[00:38:53] is so

[00:38:53] small

[00:38:54] that he

[00:38:54] slips

[00:38:54] into a

[00:38:55] pocket

[00:38:55] where it

[00:38:55] is very

[00:38:56] comforting

[00:38:56] to feel

[00:38:57] him

[00:39:16] about

[00:39:16] his

[00:39:16] toys

[00:39:16] I

[00:39:18] just

[00:39:18] thought

[00:39:18] that

[00:39:18] was

[00:39:19] a

[00:39:20] good

[00:39:21] bit

[00:39:21] of

[00:39:21] context

[00:39:21] to

[00:39:22] read

[00:39:22] because

[00:39:24] it

[00:39:24] shows

[00:39:25] his

[00:39:25] style

[00:39:26] of

[00:39:26] writing

[00:39:26] very

[00:39:26] well

[00:39:27] he's

[00:39:28] talking

[00:39:29] about

[00:39:29] his

[00:39:29] child

[00:39:30] he's

[00:39:30] talking

[00:39:30] about

[00:39:30] the

[00:39:31] toys

[00:39:31] the

[00:39:31] chapter

[00:39:32] titles

[00:39:32] read

[00:39:32] like

[00:39:33] this

[00:39:33] in

[00:39:34] which

[00:39:34] Eeyore

[00:39:34] has

[00:39:35] a

[00:39:35] birthday

[00:39:35] and gets

[00:39:35] two

[00:39:36] presents

[00:39:36] in

[00:39:37] which

[00:39:37] kangaroo

[00:39:38] and

[00:39:38] baby

[00:39:38] so they

[00:39:38] all

[00:39:38] start

[00:39:38] with

[00:39:39] where

[00:39:39] friends

[00:39:40] got it

[00:39:40] from

[00:39:42] I

[00:39:44] also

[00:39:45] think

[00:39:45] so we'll

[00:39:45] talk about

[00:39:46] the film

[00:39:46] in a little

[00:39:47] bit but

[00:39:47] the books

[00:39:49] read a

[00:39:50] lot like

[00:39:51] the way

[00:39:52] the film

[00:39:53] sounds

[00:39:54] so the

[00:39:55] dialogue

[00:39:56] and the

[00:39:56] tone

[00:39:57] and it's

[00:39:57] very musical

[00:39:58] so he

[00:40:00] was a

[00:40:00] poet

[00:40:00] and he

[00:40:01] sometimes

[00:40:02] takes time

[00:40:03] out of

[00:40:03] the

[00:40:04] prose

[00:40:05] to write

[00:40:07] verse

[00:40:07] to write

[00:40:09] yeah

[00:40:09] if

[00:40:09] Pooh

[00:40:10] is like

[00:40:10] described

[00:40:11] Pooh

[00:40:11] walked

[00:40:12] along

[00:40:12] humming

[00:40:12] a

[00:40:12] song

[00:40:13] and

[00:40:13] he'll

[00:40:13] take

[00:40:14] like

[00:40:15] four

[00:40:15] lines

[00:40:16] and

[00:40:17] it'll

[00:40:17] just

[00:40:17] be

[00:40:17] but

[00:40:18] it'll

[00:40:19] be

[00:40:19] structured

[00:40:19] like

[00:40:20] a

[00:40:20] poem

[00:40:20] and it's

[00:40:21] very

[00:40:35] it's

[00:40:36] just

[00:40:37] they've

[00:40:37] got

[00:40:38] three

[00:40:38] here

[00:40:40] is

[00:40:40] edward

[00:40:41] bear

[00:40:41] coming

[00:40:41] downstairs

[00:40:42] now

[00:40:42] bump

[00:40:43] bump

[00:40:43] bump

[00:40:43] on the

[00:40:43] back

[00:40:44] of his

[00:40:44] head

[00:40:44] behind

[00:40:45] christopher

[00:40:45] robin

[00:40:45] it is

[00:40:46] as far

[00:40:47] as he

[00:40:47] knows

[00:40:47] the only

[00:40:48] way

[00:40:48] of

[00:40:48] coming

[00:40:48] downstairs

[00:40:49] but

[00:40:49] sometimes

[00:40:50] he

[00:40:50] feels

[00:40:50] that there

[00:40:51] really

[00:41:07] sorry

[00:41:08] and then

[00:41:08] he feels

[00:41:09] that perhaps

[00:41:09] there isn't

[00:41:10] anyhow

[00:41:11] here he is

[00:41:12] at the

[00:41:12] bottom

[00:41:12] and ready

[00:41:13] to be

[00:41:13] introduced

[00:41:13] to you

[00:41:14] Winnie

[00:41:15] the Pooh

[00:41:15] when I

[00:41:16] first heard

[00:41:16] his name

[00:41:17] I said

[00:41:18] just as

[00:41:18] you were

[00:41:18] going to

[00:41:19] say

[00:41:19] but I

[00:41:20] thought

[00:41:20] he was

[00:41:20] a boy

[00:41:21] so did

[00:41:21] I

[00:41:22] said

[00:41:22] christopher

[00:41:22] robin

[00:41:23] then can't

[00:41:24] you call

[00:41:24] him

[00:41:24] winnie

[00:41:24] i don't

[00:41:25] but you

[00:41:26] said

[00:41:26] he's

[00:41:27] winnie

[00:41:27] the

[00:41:27] pooh

[00:41:28] don't

[00:41:28] you

[00:41:28] know

[00:41:28] what

[00:41:28] the

[00:41:29] means

[00:41:29] ah yes

[00:41:30] now I

[00:41:31] do

[00:41:31] I

[00:41:31] said

[00:41:31] quickly

[00:41:32] and I

[00:41:32] hope

[00:41:32] you

[00:41:33] do

[00:41:33] too

[00:41:33] because

[00:41:33] that's

[00:41:33] all the

[00:41:34] explanation

[00:41:34] you're

[00:41:34] going

[00:41:34] to get

[00:41:36] it is

[00:41:36] an unusual

[00:41:37] name

[00:41:37] structure

[00:41:38] sometimes

[00:41:39] winnie

[00:41:39] the pooh

[00:41:40] likes a

[00:41:40] game

[00:41:40] of some

[00:41:41] sort

[00:41:41] when he

[00:41:41] comes

[00:41:42] downstairs

[00:41:42] and he's

[00:41:43] obviously

[00:41:43] talking about

[00:41:44] his kid

[00:41:44] and sometimes

[00:41:45] he likes to

[00:41:46] sit quietly

[00:41:46] in front of

[00:41:47] the fire

[00:41:47] and listen

[00:41:48] to a

[00:41:48] story

[00:41:48] this

[00:41:49] evening

[00:41:50] what

[00:41:51] about

[00:41:51] a

[00:41:51] story

[00:41:51] said

[00:41:52] christopher

[00:41:52] robin

[00:41:52] what

[00:41:53] about

[00:41:53] a

[00:41:54] story

[00:41:54] i

[00:41:54] said

[00:41:54] could

[00:41:55] you

[00:41:55] very

[00:41:55] sweetly

[00:41:56] tell

[00:41:56] winnie

[00:41:56] the

[00:41:56] pooh

[00:41:57] one

[00:41:57] i

[00:41:58] suppose

[00:41:58] i

[00:41:58] could

[00:41:58] what

[00:41:59] sort

[00:41:59] of

[00:41:59] stories

[00:42:00] does

[00:42:00] he

[00:42:00] like

[00:42:00] about

[00:42:01] himself

[00:42:02] because

[00:42:03] you're

[00:42:03] making me

[00:42:03] sleepy

[00:42:04] this is

[00:42:04] bedtime

[00:42:06] story

[00:42:06] about

[00:42:07] himself

[00:42:07] because

[00:42:08] he's

[00:42:09] that

[00:42:09] sort

[00:42:09] of

[00:42:09] bear

[00:42:10] oh

[00:42:11] i

[00:42:11] see

[00:42:12] so

[00:42:12] that's

[00:42:13] the

[00:42:13] opening

[00:42:13] and

[00:42:14] then

[00:42:15] as

[00:42:15] it

[00:42:15] goes

[00:42:16] on

[00:42:16] when

[00:42:16] he's

[00:42:17] telling

[00:42:17] the

[00:42:17] story

[00:42:18] he

[00:42:18] doesn't

[00:42:18] say

[00:42:18] christopher

[00:42:19] robin

[00:42:19] he

[00:42:41] the

[00:42:41] poo

[00:42:42] yes

[00:42:42] four

[00:42:43] yes

[00:42:44] three

[00:42:44] yes

[00:42:45] two

[00:42:45] yes

[00:42:46] one

[00:42:48] i'm

[00:42:49] just

[00:42:49] a

[00:42:50] little

[00:42:50] black

[00:42:51] rain

[00:42:51] cloud

[00:42:52] hovering

[00:42:54] under

[00:42:54] the

[00:42:55] honey

[00:42:55] tree

[00:42:55] i'm

[00:42:57] only

[00:42:57] a

[00:42:58] little

[00:42:58] black

[00:42:59] rain

[00:42:59] cloud

[00:43:00] pay

[00:43:01] no

[00:43:01] attention

[00:43:02] to

[00:43:03] little

[00:43:03] me

[00:43:03] oh

[00:43:05] everyone

[00:43:05] knows

[00:43:06] that

[00:43:11] so

[00:43:12] that

[00:43:12] is

[00:43:13] a

[00:43:14] very

[00:43:15] very

[00:43:15] quick

[00:43:15] explanation

[00:43:16] of

[00:43:17] the

[00:43:18] the

[00:43:19] writing

[00:43:19] style

[00:43:20] how

[00:43:21] the

[00:43:21] story

[00:43:21] came

[00:43:22] about

[00:43:22] how

[00:43:22] the

[00:43:22] name

[00:43:22] came

[00:43:23] about

[00:43:23] how

[00:43:23] the

[00:43:24] rights

[00:43:24] were

[00:43:24] transferred

[00:43:26] what

[00:43:26] now

[00:43:27] it's

[00:43:28] watercolor

[00:43:28] right

[00:43:29] no

[00:43:30] it's

[00:43:30] just

[00:43:30] line

[00:43:30] drawings

[00:43:31] moving

[00:43:31] on

[00:43:32] now

[00:43:32] too

[00:43:32] because

[00:43:33] i did

[00:43:33] we split

[00:43:34] up this

[00:43:34] research

[00:43:34] it's

[00:43:34] a

[00:43:35] big

[00:43:35] topic

[00:43:35] so

[00:43:36] i

[00:43:36] just

[00:43:36] would

[00:43:36] like

[00:43:36] to

[00:43:36] take

[00:43:37] this

[00:43:37] moment

[00:43:37] to

[00:43:37] thank

[00:43:37] laura

[00:43:38] and

[00:43:38] elsie

[00:43:38] because

[00:43:39] we

[00:43:39] were

[00:43:39] supposed

[00:43:39] to split

[00:43:40] it

[00:43:41] i've

[00:43:41] been

[00:43:42] really

[00:43:42] poorly

[00:43:42] and

[00:43:42] done

[00:43:42] nothing

[00:43:43] so

[00:43:43] that's

[00:43:44] all right

[00:43:44] you're

[00:43:44] here

[00:43:44] i

[00:43:45] forced

[00:43:46] you

[00:43:46] to

[00:43:46] do

[00:43:46] this

[00:43:47] as

[00:43:47] an

[00:43:47] episode

[00:43:48] and

[00:43:48] then

[00:43:48] contributed

[00:43:49] nothing

[00:43:50] yeah

[00:43:50] i'll be

[00:43:50] honest

[00:43:50] with you

[00:43:51] i've

[00:43:51] enjoyed

[00:44:07] this

[00:44:40] we

[00:44:42] sophie

[00:44:42] sophie

[00:44:42] so

[00:44:43] how

[00:44:43] big

[00:44:43] her

[00:44:44] son's

[00:44:44] head

[00:44:44] is

[00:44:46] and

[00:44:47] how

[00:44:47] big

[00:44:47] his

[00:44:47] head

[00:44:47] is

[00:44:47] was

[00:44:48] when

[00:44:48] he

[00:44:48] was

[00:44:49] born

[00:44:49] i was

[00:44:49] like

[00:44:49] oh

[00:44:49] god

[00:44:50] that's

[00:44:50] why

[00:44:50] you

[00:44:50] didn't

[00:44:51] have

[00:44:51] any

[00:44:51] more

[00:44:51] kids

[00:44:52] big

[00:44:53] i feel

[00:44:54] bad

[00:44:54] for your

[00:44:54] mum

[00:44:54] sometimes

[00:44:55] oh

[00:44:56] i came

[00:44:56] out

[00:44:56] real

[00:44:57] easy

[00:44:57] so

[00:44:57] i've

[00:44:57] got

[00:44:58] such

[00:44:58] a

[00:44:58] beautiful

[00:44:58] forehead

[00:44:58] slip

[00:44:59] and

[00:44:59] slide

[00:45:00] i've

[00:45:01] got

[00:45:01] beautiful

[00:45:02] forehead

[00:45:03] um

[00:45:04] i did

[00:45:05] i've

[00:45:05] got

[00:45:12] and

[00:45:12] then

[00:45:12] lc

[00:45:13] tasked

[00:45:13] me

[00:45:13] with

[00:45:14] as

[00:45:14] was

[00:45:15] correct

[00:45:15] the

[00:45:16] psychology

[00:45:16] stuff

[00:45:16] because

[00:45:17] there's

[00:45:17] quite a

[00:45:17] lot

[00:45:17] written

[00:45:18] about

[00:45:18] the

[00:45:19] psychology

[00:45:19] of

[00:45:19] winnie

[00:45:19] the

[00:45:20] pooh

[00:45:20] and

[00:45:20] then

[00:45:20] i've

[00:45:20] got

[00:45:20] buddhism

[00:45:21] and

[00:45:21] winnie

[00:45:21] the

[00:45:21] pooh

[00:45:22] and

[00:45:22] then

[00:45:22] i've

[00:45:23] got

[00:45:23] xi jinping

[00:45:24] and

[00:45:24] winnie

[00:45:24] the

[00:45:24] pooh

[00:45:25] so

[00:45:25] uh

[00:45:26] so

[00:45:26] i'll

[00:45:27] start

[00:45:27] with

[00:45:28] christopher

[00:45:29] robin

[00:45:29] milne

[00:45:30] yeah

[00:45:30] yeah

[00:45:30] it's

[00:45:31] an

[00:45:31] interesting

[00:45:31] topic

[00:45:31] it's

[00:45:32] quite

[00:45:32] sad

[00:45:32] yeah

[00:45:33] so

[00:45:33] i mean

[00:45:35] both

[00:45:35] me and

[00:45:35] meg

[00:45:41] hated

[00:45:41] that

[00:45:42] his

[00:45:42] dad

[00:45:42] had

[00:45:42] done

[00:45:42] this

[00:45:42] because

[00:45:43] he

[00:45:43] was

[00:45:44] he

[00:45:44] was

[00:45:44] sent

[00:45:45] to

[00:45:45] boarding

[00:45:45] school

[00:45:45] at

[00:45:45] age

[00:45:45] 10

[00:45:46] which

[00:45:48] he

[00:45:48] basically

[00:45:49] was

[00:45:49] fine

[00:45:49] with

[00:45:50] it

[00:45:50] he

[00:45:50] quite

[00:45:50] enjoyed

[00:45:51] it

[00:45:51] up

[00:45:51] until

[00:45:51] he

[00:45:52] went

[00:45:52] to

[00:45:52] boarding

[00:45:52] school

[00:45:52] and

[00:45:53] then

[00:45:53] was

[00:45:53] bullied

[00:45:53] no

[00:45:56] he

[00:45:56] was

[00:45:56] basically

[00:45:57] fine

[00:45:57] with

[00:45:57] it

[00:45:57] all

[00:45:58] basically

[00:45:59] could

[00:45:59] have

[00:45:59] been

[00:45:59] avoided

[00:46:00] if

[00:46:00] his

[00:46:00] dad

[00:46:00] had

[00:46:00] used

[00:46:01] a

[00:46:01] different

[00:46:01] name

[00:46:02] no

[00:46:03] that's

[00:46:03] not

[00:46:03] my

[00:46:04] child

[00:46:04] it's

[00:46:04] a

[00:46:04] different

[00:46:05] child

[00:46:05] or

[00:46:06] not

[00:46:06] sent

[00:46:06] him

[00:46:06] to

[00:46:06] an

[00:46:07] evil

[00:46:07] boarding

[00:46:07] school

[00:46:07] but

[00:46:08] then

[00:46:09] all

[00:46:09] school

[00:46:09] was

[00:46:10] probably

[00:46:10] kind

[00:46:10] of

[00:46:10] evil

[00:46:11] in

[00:46:11] the

[00:46:11] 30s

[00:46:12] well

[00:46:12] I

[00:46:12] think

[00:46:12] he

[00:46:12] didn't

[00:46:13] he

[00:46:13] say

[00:46:13] or

[00:46:13] attribute

[00:46:14] it

[00:46:14] to

[00:46:14] a

[00:46:15] lot

[00:46:15] of

[00:46:15] the

[00:46:15] fact

[00:46:15] that

[00:46:15] Christopher

[00:46:16] Robin

[00:46:16] isn't

[00:46:17] really

[00:46:17] portrayed

[00:46:18] in a

[00:46:18] hugely

[00:46:19] masculine

[00:46:19] way

[00:46:19] no

[00:46:20] yeah

[00:46:20] so

[00:46:20] he

[00:46:20] was

[00:46:20] he

[00:46:21] was

[00:46:21] quite

[00:46:21] a

[00:46:21] feminine

[00:46:22] child

[00:46:23] yeah

[00:46:23] and

[00:46:24] then

[00:46:24] that

[00:46:24] is

[00:46:24] very

[00:46:25] apparent

[00:46:26] in

[00:46:26] the

[00:46:27] books

[00:46:27] and

[00:46:28] then

[00:46:28] also

[00:46:28] there's

[00:46:29] one

[00:46:29] poem

[00:46:29] called

[00:46:30] Vesper

[00:46:30] I think

[00:46:30] yes

[00:46:31] Vespers

[00:46:31] it's

[00:46:32] about

[00:46:32] Christopher

[00:46:33] Robin

[00:46:34] praying

[00:46:34] at night

[00:46:35] and

[00:46:35] that

[00:46:35] in

[00:46:36] particular

[00:46:36] he

[00:46:37] was

[00:46:37] really

[00:46:37] bullied

[00:46:38] over

[00:46:38] when

[00:46:38] he

[00:46:38] got

[00:46:38] to

[00:46:39] school

[00:46:39] but

[00:46:39] really

[00:46:39] if

[00:46:40] you

[00:46:40] read

[00:46:40] the

[00:46:52] it's

[00:46:52] it's

[00:46:52] a

[00:46:53] sweet

[00:46:53] poem

[00:46:53] so

[00:46:54] it's

[00:46:54] lines

[00:46:55] like

[00:46:55] and

[00:46:56] god

[00:46:56] bless

[00:46:56] mummy

[00:46:57] I

[00:46:57] know

[00:46:57] that's

[00:46:57] right

[00:46:58] instead

[00:46:58] of

[00:46:58] god

[00:46:59] bless

[00:46:59] mummy

[00:46:59] because

[00:47:00] I

[00:47:00] love

[00:47:00] her

[00:47:00] it's

[00:47:01] it's

[00:47:01] actually

[00:47:01] he's

[00:47:02] just

[00:47:02] reciting

[00:47:03] things

[00:47:03] he's

[00:47:03] been

[00:47:03] told

[00:47:03] to

[00:47:04] recite

[00:47:04] but

[00:47:04] he's

[00:47:04] looking

[00:47:05] at

[00:47:05] what's

[00:47:06] around

[00:47:06] his

[00:47:06] room

[00:47:06] and

[00:47:06] thinking

[00:47:07] about

[00:47:07] other

[00:47:07] things

[00:47:08] that's

[00:47:08] really

[00:47:09] sweet

[00:47:09] yeah

[00:47:10] no

[00:47:10] idea

[00:47:11] of

[00:47:11] that

[00:47:11] is

[00:47:11] true

[00:47:12] whatsoever

[00:47:13] he

[00:47:13] could

[00:47:13] have

[00:47:13] been

[00:47:13] very

[00:47:14] faithfully

[00:47:14] praying

[00:47:15] so

[00:47:15] well

[00:47:16] I

[00:47:16] mean

[00:47:16] it

[00:47:16] doesn't

[00:47:17] matter

[00:47:17] what

[00:47:17] he

[00:47:17] was

[00:47:17] doing

[00:47:17] how

[00:47:18] many

[00:47:18] six

[00:47:18] year

[00:47:19] olds

[00:47:19] faithfully

[00:47:20] I

[00:47:20] mean

[00:47:20] obviously

[00:47:21] I

[00:47:21] prayed

[00:47:21] when I

[00:47:21] was

[00:47:22] very

[00:47:22] little

[00:47:22] we

[00:47:22] didn't

[00:47:23] live

[00:47:23] during

[00:47:23] that

[00:47:23] time

[00:47:24] but

[00:47:24] how

[00:47:24] many

[00:47:25] kids

[00:47:25] are

[00:47:26] praying

[00:47:26] because

[00:47:26] they

[00:47:27] actually

[00:47:28] have

[00:47:28] a

[00:47:28] faith

[00:47:28] and

[00:47:29] how

[00:47:29] many

[00:47:30] are

[00:47:30] praying

[00:47:30] because

[00:47:30] they

[00:47:30] think

[00:47:31] there

[00:47:31] will

[00:47:31] be

[00:47:31] ramifications

[00:47:32] if

[00:47:33] they

[00:47:33] don't

[00:47:33] when

[00:47:33] I

[00:47:33] was

[00:47:34] very

[00:47:34] very

[00:47:34] little

[00:47:35] I

[00:47:36] prayed

[00:47:37] because

[00:47:37] I

[00:47:37] wanted

[00:47:38] my

[00:47:38] prayers

[00:47:38] I

[00:47:39] wanted

[00:47:39] because

[00:47:40] I

[00:47:40] only

[00:47:40] ever

[00:47:40] not

[00:47:41] to

[00:47:41] big

[00:47:42] myself

[00:47:42] up

[00:47:42] but

[00:47:43] I

[00:47:43] only

[00:47:44] ever

[00:47:44] prayed

[00:47:44] for

[00:47:44] like

[00:47:44] my

[00:47:45] family's

[00:47:45] happiness

[00:47:46] and

[00:47:46] well-being

[00:47:46] and

[00:47:47] I

[00:47:47] thought

[00:47:47] that

[00:47:47] it

[00:47:47] did

[00:47:48] something

[00:47:48] because

[00:47:48] members

[00:47:49] of my

[00:47:49] family

[00:47:50] told me

[00:47:51] it

[00:47:51] did

[00:47:51] something

[00:47:52] you know

[00:47:52] that's

[00:47:52] how

[00:47:52] OCD

[00:47:53] starts

[00:47:53] I

[00:47:54] was

[00:47:54] I

[00:47:54] was

[00:47:54] thinking

[00:47:55] about

[00:47:55] this

[00:47:55] the

[00:47:55] day

[00:47:56] other

[00:47:58] than

[00:47:59] you

[00:47:59] know

[00:47:59] religion

[00:48:01] having

[00:48:02] roots

[00:48:02] in

[00:48:03] humans

[00:48:04] not

[00:48:05] knowing

[00:48:05] why

[00:48:06] things

[00:48:06] happen

[00:48:06] and

[00:48:06] looking

[00:48:07] for

[00:48:07] reasons

[00:48:07] for

[00:48:08] things

[00:48:08] also

[00:48:09] the

[00:48:09] I

[00:48:10] need

[00:48:10] to

[00:48:10] do

[00:48:10] this

[00:48:10] or

[00:48:10] something

[00:48:11] bad

[00:48:11] will

[00:48:11] happen

[00:48:11] and

[00:48:12] I

[00:48:12] was

[00:48:12] like

[00:48:12] that's

[00:48:13] just

[00:48:13] OCD

[00:48:14] well no

[00:48:15] it wasn't

[00:48:15] that

[00:48:15] I

[00:48:16] was

[00:48:16] praying

[00:48:17] because

[00:48:17] not

[00:48:17] because

[00:48:18] I

[00:48:18] thought

[00:48:18] something

[00:48:18] bad

[00:48:18] would

[00:48:18] happen

[00:48:19] if

[00:48:19] I

[00:48:19] didn't

[00:48:19] it

[00:48:19] was

[00:48:19] because

[00:48:20] I

[00:48:20] wanted

[00:48:20] something

[00:48:20] good

[00:48:21] to

[00:48:21] happen

[00:48:21] I

[00:49:05] in

[00:49:36] said

[00:49:37] towards

[00:49:37] the

[00:49:38] end

[00:49:38] of

[00:49:38] Christopher

[00:49:39] Robin

[00:49:39] life

[00:49:39] he

[00:49:40] made

[00:49:40] his

[00:49:40] peace

[00:49:41] with

[00:49:41] it

[00:49:41] he

[00:49:41] was

[00:49:42] a

[00:49:43] grown

[00:49:43] up

[00:49:43] he

[00:49:44] was

[00:49:44] an

[00:49:44] adult

[00:49:44] and

[00:49:44] he

[00:49:45] knew

[00:49:45] and

[00:49:45] he

[00:49:45] essentially

[00:49:46] said

[00:49:46] he

[00:49:47] didn't

[00:49:48] so

[00:49:49] the toys

[00:49:49] and

[00:49:49] stuff

[00:49:50] he

[00:49:50] didn't

[00:49:50] hold

[00:49:50] on

[00:49:50] to

[00:50:06] interestingly

[00:50:07] he

[00:50:07] rejected

[00:50:08] the

[00:50:08] royalties

[00:50:08] wow

[00:50:09] oh I

[00:50:10] swear

[00:50:10] he

[00:50:10] said

[00:50:10] oh

[00:50:10] okay

[00:50:10] so

[00:50:11] in

[00:50:12] 1974

[00:50:13] he

[00:50:13] wrote

[00:50:13] his

[00:50:13] own

[00:50:14] book

[00:50:14] called

[00:50:14] The

[00:50:15] Enchanted

[00:50:16] Places

[00:50:16] and what

[00:50:17] he

[00:50:17] said

[00:50:17] after

[00:50:17] writing

[00:50:18] that

[00:50:18] how

[00:50:18] it

[00:50:36] yeah

[00:50:36] I

[00:50:37] looked

[00:50:37] this

[00:50:37] up

[00:50:38] because

[00:50:38] I

[00:50:38] heard

[00:50:38] that

[00:50:38] he

[00:50:39] hated

[00:50:39] it

[00:50:39] and

[00:50:39] the

[00:50:39] conclusion

[00:50:40] I

[00:50:40] came

[00:50:40] to

[00:50:40] was

[00:50:41] it

[00:50:42] it

[00:50:42] was

[00:50:42] massively

[00:50:43] complicated

[00:50:44] for his

[00:50:44] whole

[00:50:44] life

[00:50:45] but

[00:50:45] towards

[00:50:46] the

[00:50:46] end

[00:50:46] of

[00:50:46] his

[00:50:47] life

[00:50:47] he

[00:50:47] he

[00:50:48] was

[00:50:48] fine

[00:50:49] yeah

[00:50:49] he

[00:50:49] did

[00:50:50] hate

[00:50:50] it

[00:50:50] the

[00:50:50] whole

[00:50:50] time

[00:50:51] do

[00:50:51] you

[00:50:51] have

[00:50:51] anything

[00:50:51] there

[00:50:52] about

[00:50:52] him

[00:50:52] going

[00:50:52] to

[00:50:53] war

[00:50:53] yeah

[00:50:53] so

[00:50:54] yeah

[00:50:55] he

[00:50:56] went

[00:50:57] to

[00:50:57] Cambridge

[00:50:57] after

[00:50:57] boarding

[00:50:58] school

[00:50:58] but

[00:50:58] during

[00:50:59] his

[00:50:59] time

[00:50:59] at

[00:50:59] Cambridge

[00:51:00] World

[00:51:00] War

[00:51:00] Two

[00:51:00] broke

[00:51:01] out

[00:51:01] and

[00:51:01] his

[00:51:02] father

[00:51:02] pulled

[00:51:02] strings

[00:51:03] like

[00:51:03] he

[00:51:03] failed

[00:51:03] the

[00:51:04] medical

[00:51:04] test

[00:51:04] to

[00:51:04] get

[00:51:04] into

[00:51:05] the

[00:51:06] army

[00:51:06] or

[00:51:06] whichever

[00:51:07] branch

[00:51:07] his

[00:51:08] father

[00:51:08] pulled

[00:51:09] strings

[00:51:09] to

[00:51:09] allow

[00:51:09] him

[00:51:10] to

[00:51:10] go

[00:51:10] he

[00:51:10] was

[00:51:10] something

[00:51:11] called

[00:51:11] a

[00:51:11] sapper

[00:51:12] which is

[00:51:12] basically

[00:51:13] a

[00:51:13] combat

[00:51:13] engineer

[00:51:13] he

[00:51:14] was

[00:51:14] severely

[00:51:14] injured

[00:51:15] like

[00:51:15] I

[00:51:15] can't

[00:51:16] remember

[00:51:16] exactly

[00:51:16] what

[00:51:16] it

[00:51:16] was

[00:51:16] with

[00:51:17] his

[00:51:17] shoulder

[00:51:17] or

[00:51:18] his

[00:51:18] arm

[00:51:18] he

[00:51:18] was

[00:51:18] very

[00:51:19] severely

[00:51:19] injured

[00:51:20] but

[00:51:21] he

[00:51:21] really

[00:51:22] wanted

[00:51:22] to

[00:51:22] go

[00:51:23] to

[00:51:23] war

[00:51:23] just

[00:51:23] to

[00:51:23] prove

[00:51:24] himself

[00:51:24] to

[00:51:24] prove

[00:51:25] his

[00:51:25] masculinity

[00:51:25] and

[00:51:26] when

[00:51:26] he

[00:51:27] had

[00:51:27] to

[00:51:27] come

[00:51:27] home

[00:51:27] his

[00:51:27] father

[00:51:28] was

[00:51:28] devastated

[00:51:29] like

[00:51:30] A.A.

[00:51:30] Milne

[00:51:30] was

[00:51:30] very

[00:51:31] upset

[00:51:31] that

[00:51:31] his

[00:51:31] son

[00:51:32] was

[00:51:32] so

[00:51:32] injured

[00:51:32] which

[00:51:33] I

[00:51:33] guess

[00:51:33] is

[00:51:33] normal

[00:51:34] and

[00:51:34] nice

[00:51:34] yeah

[00:51:35] well

[00:51:36] that's

[00:51:36] the

[00:51:36] thing

[00:51:37] it's

[00:51:37] like

[00:51:37] you

[00:51:37] actually

[00:51:38] don't

[00:51:38] have

[00:51:38] to

[00:51:38] go

[00:51:39] I've

[00:51:40] pulled

[00:51:40] the

[00:51:40] strings

[00:51:41] for

[00:51:41] you

[00:51:41] to

[00:51:41] go

[00:51:42] you

[00:51:43] already

[00:51:43] have

[00:51:43] a

[00:51:43] very

[00:51:43] tense

[00:51:44] relationship

[00:51:45] and

[00:51:45] because

[00:51:46] of

[00:51:46] something

[00:51:46] I've

[00:51:47] done

[00:51:47] you're

[00:51:48] now

[00:51:48] really

[00:51:49] injured

[00:51:49] he

[00:51:49] would

[00:51:49] be

[00:51:49] upset

[00:51:50] yeah

[00:51:50] he

[00:51:50] was

[00:51:50] very

[00:51:50] upset

[00:51:53] jetzt

[00:52:14] ist

[00:52:21] you

[00:52:37] you

[00:52:41] want

[00:52:42] to

[00:52:42] That's it.

[00:53:15] he married his first cousin um yeah invest recently an mp stood up in parliament yes in

[00:53:27] favor of first cousin marriages and um i didn't know i didn't know that debate was on the table

[00:53:33] right what i can't remember what year this happened but prior to a certain time in history

[00:53:39] the catholic church the pope mandated that there had to be six degrees of separation between you

[00:53:45] and your spouse to prevent incest that's actually difficult especially in medieval times to get

[00:53:52] like you live in a small village in order to get approval for your marriage you have to prove

[00:53:56] there's six degrees of separation also fucking impossible for royal families in europe yeah

[00:54:01] so they they did get rid of it eventually under um royal pressure and they they changed it to much

[00:54:07] less and then it was like at a certain point all of queen victoria's children related to fucking

[00:54:12] everyone they were like whatever who cares but it used to be prevented by the church so

[00:54:18] oh good for the church one thing they were correct shock it up yeah because like it they knew incest

[00:54:25] was bad but they didn't know why and then you know it went a bit out of control they knew and they knew

[00:54:32] it was bad somehow well because like they knew it was bad no but like in the sense of like there's

[00:54:37] nothing technically like morally or ethically or like wrong with marrying your first cousin especially

[00:54:42] if you weren't raised together like tech there's none of that like ickiness there but of course

[00:54:47] into marrying within a family causes genetic issues right yes they don't they didn't understand genetics

[00:54:54] incest her name was uh leslie de selencore french uh from his um mom's side um a few years later he and

[00:55:03] his wife moved to tartmouth and opened up a bookshop which his mom thought was really strange because

[00:55:08] it's like you're gonna be directly interacting with people who know who you are and you don't

[00:55:13] like that it's an interesting choice you made their son but it was very successful it was actually open

[00:55:17] until 2011 i didn't find a lot of information about his mom yeah there's not much but i mean i assume

[00:55:24] you're gonna go on to this but like he didn't have contact with his parents and then or he cut

[00:55:30] contact with his parents at one point and then when his mom was dying she rejected to see him on her

[00:55:37] deathbed and she like what she basically had well i think once a milner died she'd moved back to london

[00:55:44] and the really the only things i could find out about her were on his wikipedia page and i was thinking

[00:55:50] like she rejected to see him and also she had this opinion of um him moving to dartmouth and opening a

[00:55:59] bookshop like oh that's that's a bit weird you're gonna you're gonna have to come face to face with

[00:56:03] the thing that you hate i wonder if his mom was a bit of a cunt i was thinking like i have no way of

[00:56:09] knowing yeah but instead of it instead of being like openly supportive the one thing i know about

[00:56:18] you is that you thought his profession was a bit weird and then you refused to see him on your deathbed

[00:56:23] so what i was reading about his childhood he was until i can't remember what age but before he went

[00:56:28] to boarding school but old enough to have strong memories he was raised entirely by his nanny um

[00:56:34] and he i can't remember what her actual name is but he called her new like new new i i read that even

[00:56:40] though he was raised entirely by his nanny his parents were very interested in like he had a lot of

[00:56:46] contact yes so he he was very close to his nanny and then after his nanny left he was very close to

[00:56:52] his dad like he he went from being very attached to nunu who i think enchanted places is actually

[00:56:58] dedicated to her um and then he went from being very attached to her to being very attached to his dad

[00:57:04] his mom not a lot of mother in this yeah his mom didn't come super into the picture when i was

[00:57:08] reading about his childhood uh but yeah so yeah his so he visited his dad occasionally when he

[00:57:14] became ill and then after his death in 1956 yeah it was around that time in 1956 he refused to ever go

[00:57:21] back to uh crotchford farm ever um he refuses now the dad's royalties i do wonder what's happened with

[00:57:27] those because there's no living family members anymore he had a daughter yes yeah i'll get onto it

[00:57:33] sorry yes sorry later in 1956 he had a daughter um claire she on her birth was diagnosed with very

[00:57:41] severe cerebral palsy after his dad died he and his mom it seemed extra rocky they didn't see each

[00:57:48] other for the last 15 years of her life clearly it's possibly her side that is why they didn't see

[00:57:54] see each other for 15 years it was her yeah brother's daughter that he married oh yeah yeah

[00:58:01] yeah something's happened yeah we don't know um we'll never know we'll never know that's fine that's

[00:58:07] absolutely they are strangers yeah exactly it's their lives they're all dead we're not gonna know

[00:58:12] um so then uh christopher robin died in his sleep uh the 20th of april 1996 at the age of 75 his daughter

[00:58:20] died in 2012 and there's a trust that's set up in her name the charity for i think it's just cerebral

[00:58:25] palsy but it might be a more general charity presumably i didn't check but it would make sense to me if some

[00:58:31] of the royalties went into that road there yeah sure yeah so we watched me and laura watched the 1977

[00:58:38] film the other night that um takes all the stories in that are lifted from the book a lot of the

[00:58:47] dialogue as well like 20 minute sections is that the one we watched together a while ago yes yes it is

[00:58:53] yeah well we were we were sat there going oh winnie the pooh's a bit annoying yeah so i want to talk

[00:59:01] about like kind of selfish i say kind of very selfish yeah i want to talk about the the style of the film

[00:59:08] and how the film looks and feels but meg has some opinions first um i mean they're not super strong but

[00:59:14] we were we did watch it and i guess on a in a book this i don't really remember an awful lot i do

[00:59:23] remember i read them as a kid i don't remember an awful lot of how the characters came across

[00:59:29] in the in the film and in like subsequent similar versions i find winnie the pooh

[00:59:38] a bit selfish and this came from there's like a section of that film where he basically goes round

[00:59:47] to rabbit's house this is so fucking rude if someone turned up here it's like a nightmare

[00:59:53] neighbor ate all our food and got stuck in our front fucking door he goes around rabbit's house

[00:59:59] who is and rabbit seems to be actively trying to avoid him rabbit is a very people pleasing person

[01:00:07] so it tends to just say yes oh you say that but rabbit later on in the film tries to lose tigger

[01:00:12] in the forest go on oh i've got a splendid idea now listen we'll take tigger for a long explore see

[01:00:20] someplace where he's never been and we lose him there lose him oh we'll find him again next morning

[01:00:28] and mark my words he'll be a humble tigger a small and sad tigger and oh rabbit am i glad to see you

[01:00:36] tigger and it'll take the bounces out of him that's why now all in favor say aye he invites himself in

[01:00:44] and asks rabbit if rabbit has got any honey and rabbit says i think rabbit says no and then

[01:00:50] poo is like but there's some it's it's all of rabbit's food and is too fat to get back out of the

[01:01:00] hole that he came in through so he's now not only is he in did he invite himself into rabbit's house

[01:01:07] when rabbit did not want him there he's now stuck in rabbit's house and then they starve him out

[01:01:12] yeah and i like rabbit because he uses short easy words like how about lunch and help yourself poo

[01:01:20] poo lunch oh no not again oh my oh my oh my goodness gracious is anybody at home what i said was

[01:01:31] is anybody at home no bother isn't there anybody here at all nobody they have to starve him out the rest of

[01:01:42] the episode is we're just waiting for poo to get malnourished enough to fit through our hole like

[01:01:48] and it was just like poo cannot take a hint which is fine because poo is a bear

[01:01:58] a little brain there were a lot of things where poo's sole motivation is things that serve him

[01:02:06] and it annoyed me goodbye piglet now is the next chapter all about me no it's mostly about tigger

[01:02:17] oh bother but you're in it oh good what will i be doing well poo you'll be sitting in your thoughtful

[01:02:28] spot thinking as usual in a book you probably wouldn't notice so much but like the attitude

[01:02:36] of the character was really starting to grate oh i agree so the film is very meta

[01:02:45] surprisingly so we go into the book and when there's a new scene transition it sort of zooms out

[01:02:52] and you can see writing on a page and then it turns and you're in the next you've got um bits where tigger

[01:03:00] is stuck up a tree and the book gets turned on its side so he can stand on the letters to get down

[01:03:07] yeah well tigger your bouncing really got you into trouble this time

[01:03:12] hey who are you i'm the narrator oh well please for goodness sake narrate me down from here

[01:03:20] very well hold on tight

[01:03:22] you can let go now tigger

[01:03:30] never but tigger look for yourself you're perfectly safe

[01:03:36] what did i tell you tigger come on

[01:03:46] back

[01:03:51] in fact there's a there's a bit where owl's talking and owl talks that's his that's his thing

[01:03:57] he just tells anecdotes that's what he does

[01:03:59] owl and laura

[01:04:03] and the narrator is like in fact he spoke from page 54 to 66 and it skips and you can see it skipping and

[01:04:09] then he's there and it's really cool when it is beautiful when it's really windy it's like blowing

[01:04:15] the wind across the pages and you flip until the wind gets to it's so cool and the wind blows the

[01:04:21] letters yeah from one side to the other it's really awesome there's a waterfall but you've probably seen

[01:04:26] these like also this film there's gifts in it that are so prominent there are gifts from it

[01:04:33] sorry gifts from it gifts from it are so prominent in social media i'm fat and round no i'm round and

[01:04:39] fat and proud of that yeah um the the he when when poos a uh rabbit's table with the knife and fork

[01:04:46] or whatever and he's that's what i eat honeymoon

[01:04:50] and like there i've seen that clip so many times every time one of those came on me and else went oh

[01:04:56] yep no charge count i work strictly cash obviously but i should think well i can't stand around

[01:05:04] lollygagging all day got a tight schedule

[01:05:08] guess it all he's gone after all he's not in the book you know oh here we come don't worry

[01:05:22] cheer up fool bear we'll get you out well maybe um and another thing i think i said to laura the

[01:05:32] other day that i i don't actually see an awful lot of distinction between the characters like i don't

[01:05:39] think that they're all that different from one another i think eeyore and piglet are the most

[01:05:46] different yeah but then there's just quite i think there's probably just so many of them

[01:05:51] that you don't they're all very surface level do you know what i mean there's only one woman

[01:05:57] and that's kanga yeah what the fuck the mother character yeah yeah of course the only little

[01:06:04] degenerate son the only woman character is a mother of course but yeah there are lots it's

[01:06:11] it's very sweet and there are lots of things i like about it but i was we watched it a few months

[01:06:16] ago i think we'd just been flicking through disney plus and we decided to put it on and then we

[01:06:20] watched from beginning to end of it and i was like struck by how much i i was actually annoyed by

[01:06:28] the character of winnie the pooh until at last he said to rabbit in a rather sticky voice i must be

[01:06:36] going now goodbye rabbit well goodbye if you're sure you won't have any more is there any more

[01:06:46] no there isn't i thought not a lot of people have these very um emotional and fond memories of

[01:06:57] winnie the pooh as a child i didn't expect to feel that way probably because i yeah don't really have

[01:07:04] much memory of watching yeah them i would say that i found the only comment i have is i was we were

[01:07:10] watching it and i was like i'm a bit bored i'm a bit bored yes it might have been better as a 40

[01:07:16] minute thing instead it's like an hour and a half but it's not for us oh god no it's not like

[01:07:22] watching it with a child it would be probably a lot because they would be so like interested especially

[01:07:26] for the first time watching it with a young child they'd love it and that would make it more

[01:07:30] interesting for you as an adult yeah it's not massively climactic yeah i think i watched it a

[01:07:35] lot actually i think we we definitely had a video of it i think i want to talk about a bit about the

[01:07:41] voice talents in that film so we'll get to winnie the pooh but i think um the most interesting one is

[01:07:50] barbara luddy who played kanga so i was like i know that voice i really know that voice and i was like

[01:07:57] what other disney things has she been in and it was two characters from robin hood so she played

[01:08:06] the church mouse and the mother rabbit mother sexton and mother rabbit mother sexton and mother

[01:08:13] rabbit yeah she's just playing mother's doesn't she yeah why hello tigger dear

[01:08:18] she called me dear roe are you ready for some bouncing yeah you and me are good bouncers

[01:08:27] just a moment dear hold still goodness you're bouncy today that's what rose do their bestest

[01:08:34] oh now keep your scarf on not so tight mama is your sweater warm enough yes mother oh well

[01:08:43] come on rue let's go and laura googled her and she said she is one of the puppies in 101 dalmatians

[01:08:54] now i know that like women play the voice the voices of young boys a lot in animation so she

[01:09:06] was one of the male puppies and i was like yeah fine but like this was within 10 years and in one of

[01:09:13] these things she sounds like an old woman and in one of these things she sounds like one of the

[01:09:19] puppies from one from 101 dalmatians and i i couldn't believe it like what

[01:09:24] she's also amazing talent when she's playing rover the the puppy she was 53 insane when you hit i mean

[01:09:32] i don't know if you know the film meg but it's like a i swore they were played by children it's

[01:09:38] amazing she's also lady from lady in the tram oh yes she is and she is meriwether from sleeping beauty

[01:09:45] as well is that one of the fairies yes yeah yeah what we we were going through the actors and i was

[01:09:51] going on the different wikipedia pages i was like this is so weird uh because um christopher robbins

[01:09:56] played by three people three people in fact he's yeah british one of them is played by someone called

[01:10:01] timmy turner which i thought was hilarious um but one of the other people that plays christopher robin

[01:10:07] is also mowgli which makes sense and then the other person that plays um wait no who was it

[01:10:13] was it rue yeah rue is played by clint howard clint howard amazing and someone called dori whittaker

[01:10:21] um clint howard is 56 now and sorry to viewers sorry listeners at your home you're not going to be

[01:10:26] able to have this experience but meg this is what he looks like

[01:10:31] he looks like a cartoon what did you say that he who did you say he looked like he's he's a little bit

[01:10:37] um crack santa crack santa yes crack santa

[01:10:43] did a great great job i'm not trying to deride you at all but it's not what you expect when you're

[01:10:49] like oh who's the voice actor for this baby kangaroo oh okay to be fair he wouldn't have

[01:10:55] been 53 at the time no he wouldn't have looked like that at the time but yeah christopher robin

[01:11:00] turns british halfway through the film which is a bit weird and sterling holloway is the definitive

[01:11:07] voice of how winnie the pooh now sounds no one else can well it's jim cummings who now plays him i

[01:11:13] actually prefer the jim cummings but i think that would be a controversial opinion well the jim

[01:11:17] cummings voice is like someone doing an impression of sterling holloway it's super close i just the

[01:11:22] only thing is i think that jim cummings is just ever so slightly more gentle sounding

[01:11:49] yeah i got yeah yeah there's a brand new version of this i literally i can't tell you who's made it

[01:11:55] when it was made what it's on but they're like 3d and they're fucking ugly that it's ugly and you

[01:12:04] know how um hello kitty is supposed to be a little girl not a cat yeah yes well um these are dead ass

[01:12:12] just voiced by kid like they've got kids voices instead of like the voices that we know of winnie

[01:12:19] the pooh or even trying to mimic them that it might as well be peppa pig and i hated it i was

[01:12:25] like i don't feel like i'm watching a bear and a pig on an adventure i feel like i'm watching two kids

[01:12:31] and i was like you've you've taken away the heart where is the heart gone so i i know that 3d cgi

[01:12:40] animation is now cheaper than 2d animation but it's like you have taken one of the most crucial

[01:12:46] elements of winnie the pooh and ripped it out of it what are you doing why are you bothered yeah over

[01:12:51] the decades there has been i mean it's not a recent thing there have been tv shows of winnie the pooh

[01:12:56] um for the past 20 odd years there have been 2d animation ones from when i was a kid because i

[01:13:02] definitely watched some 2d animation ones on disney channel i didn't i didn't like it didn't gel at

[01:13:07] all but they are still aside from color wise based entirely on the drawings yeah like i don't know

[01:13:15] when the most the earliest of the 3d animation ones it would probably be sometime in the 2010s

[01:13:19] are just completely departure just they took they they looked at the teddy bears in production and

[01:13:25] went right those rather than the drawings is how it feels well we can talk about in my opinion one

[01:13:30] of the least charming renditions of winnie the pooh being the winnie the pooh from goodbye christopher

[01:13:35] robin who christopher robin no no no no no no no you you can't be here

[01:13:47] this can't be happening stress it's not stress it's not stressed it's pool so exhausted

[01:13:55] heaven warned me i like to be warmed warmed and cozy i've cracked i don't see any cracks

[01:14:10] a few wrinkles maybe who you're here how are you here poo oh well i went through the door through

[01:14:24] which christopher robin is known to appear and now i'm here um i think he's really creepy i mean the

[01:14:33] color grading of that film is horrible anyway i but i he's got like just black beady eyes and i'd

[01:14:40] if you change the music of that film you could make it really creepy when was this film from you

[01:14:46] laura you know the most about this 2017 it's the ewan mcgregor one yes which is about 2018 okay um

[01:14:55] i so the the art design for it is they very much looked at the original toys that the characters

[01:15:02] are based on and had them all be based off of the original toys that's why they look like that

[01:15:07] i i as you watch the film you do especially winnie the pooh is cute by the end you're like i'm fully

[01:15:14] on board i still will always take issue with the color grading of that film they went to like

[01:15:18] the alice in wonderland tim burton's with the color grading yeah there's a full tim burton filter over

[01:15:24] it it's very weird they really could have so because the film starts with the very ending of the 1997

[01:15:30] sorry not 1997 1977 film it's that scene where he's talking to pooh that's basically the dialogue

[01:15:37] from that or the the lines from that part of the book yeah he's going off to school and they have

[01:15:41] a conversation about and so we come to the last chapter in which christopher robin and pooh come

[01:15:48] to the enchanted place and we say goodbye goodbye oh no please can't we go back to page one and do it

[01:15:55] all over again sorry poo but all stories have an ending you know oh bother yes the time had come at

[01:16:04] last christopher robin was going away to school nobody else in the forest knew exactly why or where

[01:16:11] he was going all they knew was it had something to do with twice times doing nothing don't yeah it's

[01:16:20] lovely he's like don't forget me yeah i think that film looks like it was every scene was filmed at

[01:16:27] like 3 45 in december yeah in the end like yes there's no sunlight in that film the beginning i

[01:16:34] think because you're in this you're in the hundred acre wood you're in this magical happy time i think

[01:16:38] that should have been nice and warmly colored and it wasn't it wasn't and then you know christopher

[01:16:43] robin leaves and he goes off to war and work and he becomes ewan mcgregor yeah i think that

[01:16:50] that bit being gray i don't remember that for the books that bit being gray to me yeah that would

[01:16:55] have been a great that would have been a great way to show the mood shift and if they had then

[01:16:58] towards the end got it steadily more colorful as things get like brought back to life that would

[01:17:03] oh this one is not in a biographical whatsoever it's completely not based in so it's about winnie

[01:17:09] the pooh and the gang coming to london to remind christopher robin about happiness so this this film

[01:17:16] follows on from how the books treat the world so the the gang is alive and real to christopher

[01:17:22] robin but christopher robin isn't famous because the books don't exist within the books right um so

[01:17:28] what happens is so uh winnie the pooh comes out of his house one morning and there's fog everywhere

[01:17:33] and he can't find anyone he can't find pigly can't find anyone no one so what he does is he goes

[01:17:38] through the door from which christopher robin is from and he in their world in their world um and

[01:17:45] uh is in central london it winds up in a park in central london um and then it just goes basically

[01:17:52] with ewan mcgregor rediscovering or christopher robin uh rediscovering family and fun and shit

[01:17:57] being like oh work isn't important um and the only thing tigger i never got used to how tigger looks

[01:18:04] tigger it looks weird i don't like it at all i'm like you made him look so pale it's weird and then

[01:18:11] rabbit and owl are realism based because they weren't based on toys they were based on animals

[01:18:17] from around crotchford farm i think it's really funny i think it's a really funny oh i like the

[01:18:23] film but i do find all the characters all weirdly expressionless like winnie the pooh's face doesn't

[01:18:30] do a lot and i know that that's because he's a teddy bear and teddy bear's faces don't do a lot but

[01:18:36] i just found him a bit weird to look at you know i i found it weird at start and then i got more and i

[01:18:42] really liked this film it was also winnie the pooh is so much like both me and my grandmother

[01:18:49] i'm in the mood for food and like they're in a and self-serving and annoying oh oh i'm sorry that

[01:18:59] was a joke well the annoying part um i'm overly helpful if anything yeah yeah yeah fuck me but uh

[01:19:09] there's a bit when uh winnie the pooh's like i'm confused maybe it's because i'm hungry and you

[01:19:14] mcgregor's like you just had lunch oh i don't think i had enough that's so and there's the bit

[01:19:21] was elsie hasn't seen the whole film but i made elsie watch a couple scenes oh wow because there's

[01:19:27] one scene it's yeah simon farnaby mackenzie crook and matt berry all three of them acting off each

[01:19:34] other and i was like oh my god they're all there this is amazing marvelous mate oh thank you very much

[01:19:40] indeed that's fantastic this is my livelihood what the blue blazes is going on here officer thank

[01:19:46] goodness you're here i don't think we played in that time very well arrest this lot here immediately

[01:19:51] what this little girl of her stuffed animals giving you to fear is she no no something strange going

[01:19:56] on with them something spooky are you on a lemonade mate you need to take down his protectors

[01:20:02] doesn't say who's what are you incinerating incinerating yeah what are you incinerating no no no

[01:20:09] excuse me i think you've got the wrong word yes my darling that's my father there okay well off you pop

[01:20:17] and be careful i will thank you officer thank you thank you all right what a nice man then mark

[01:20:24] gaddis is of course playing a corporate evil guy mark gatus mark gatus is playing an evil corporate

[01:20:29] potato potato yeah so yeah i knew i knew that we were never ever ever going to cover all of the

[01:20:36] adaptations because there's just so many um but i think though we've covered the main ones yeah um

[01:20:41] laura you had something to say about the in fact i asked laura to look into this because i was like

[01:20:48] there was a playground thing like something that was always discussed the whole thing about how each

[01:20:55] character is a representation of mental illness like that's something that's passed around that

[01:20:59] i've always felt a bit weird about like are they can i just say that i googled this the other day

[01:21:05] and um the google ai did gave me gave me a summary and i sent this to my boyfriend right it says

[01:21:16] rue has autism rabbit has ocd and is self-important and he said us

[01:21:25] and he is the one with autism so that that is offensive to me

[01:21:35] rude i remember this coming into discussion in the like 2010s right um the original

[01:21:44] as far as i could find the original place this was spoken about it was in 2000 and it was in

[01:21:50] uh the canadian medical association's journal that's way more official than i was expecting

[01:21:56] i thought someone just made this shit up no so it was it was done by so if you wanted to it's it's

[01:22:04] called pathology in the hundred acre wood a neurodevelopmental perspective on aa milne

[01:22:09] uh shea 2000 shea et al 2000 right um and i do not think that this was meant to get to a wider

[01:22:19] audience than the neuro psychology psychology field i don't think it was supposed to get out of that

[01:22:23] outside of that bubble but the fact that they didn't consider that i get it's 2000 so i get that

[01:22:28] this is maybe not as considered then the way they've written about it is deeply irresponsible

[01:22:34] in my opinion um you would laura i'm so glad we asked you to join the podcast it's moments like

[01:22:40] these go on it it would not be written about in this way now because of how they've approached it

[01:22:47] i was reading it and i was getting furious because i i think it's just so irresponsibly put together

[01:22:54] in in my well-educated regarding this topic opinion um if anyone doesn't know i am a cognitive

[01:23:03] neuroscience oh they know well just in case they don't that's my credentials um like i'm doing a

[01:23:09] phd right now um so i i came across a different one where it was someone did their thesis talking about

[01:23:15] this theory uh that was in 2015 so i wonder if there was a resurgence when they wrote that thesis

[01:23:21] because this this you can look at the metrics and stuff this has been massively shared online the

[01:23:25] original 2000s one and it talks about um like most of the characters don't have all the characters

[01:23:31] and what mental health issues disorders they might have and uh rabbit has ocd and is self-important

[01:23:43] yeah being self-important is not in the dsm so this was also based on the previous dsm narcissism

[01:23:50] oh yes yes you're right so the dsm 5 came out in 2013 so also all of this would be now like incorrect

[01:23:55] anyway if you wanted to get technical but so they diagnosed winnie the pooh with adhd inattentive

[01:24:01] subtype due to his distractibility impulsivity impulsivity exemplified by his attempts to obtain

[01:24:08] honey displays how are we supposed to take this seriously you're not it is for sure meant to be a

[01:24:17] joke right however the way in which they've written it in the actual paper really pissed me off because i

[01:24:22] think there's a way to do this where you can talk about it thoughtfully comedically and it not be so

[01:24:28] cold yeah i'll read quotes in a minute um and then uh displays ocd traits such as obsessive fixation on

[01:24:35] honey uh borderline intellectual possible borderline intellectual functioning very little brain um they

[01:24:43] also speculate that he might have microcephaly which to throw that out there like that is so

[01:24:50] what is that small head yeah so oh shit yeah so it's when you're born with a significantly smaller

[01:24:56] brain it can cause massive cognitive issues um the people born with this in in the past were in freak

[01:25:02] shows right um and i they they actually say in the paper we could not confidently diagnose

[01:25:08] microcephaly however as we do not know whether standard standards exist for the head circumference of a

[01:25:14] brown bear a joke a funny joke um piglet exhibits generalized anxiety disorder okay this is the only

[01:25:23] one that i am in full agreement with with absolutely no complaints that is one anxious little pig

[01:25:30] that's what people said about me at school

[01:25:34] but yeah and then they diagnose eeyore with um it's called dysthmeer dysthmeer it which is just i

[01:25:44] don't even know i don't know if that's in the dsm anymore i've never heard that before so i i reckon

[01:25:48] it probably isn't it's persistent depressive disorder like um oh sure depression that's just

[01:25:53] goes on for too long um all depression goes on for too long but his in particular um but which again

[01:25:59] eeyore is very a melancholic character right he has like anhedonia and all of that so it's like again

[01:26:05] that's another one where it's like okay those two matt piglet and eeyore matt fine um do you know what

[01:26:10] i've always the issue i have with people saying that about eeyore is that he doesn't always say

[01:26:16] negative things he just says them in a negative or in a way that you perceive to be depressive it's like

[01:26:21] that might just be how he speaks leave him alone yeah that's fair yeah get out of his fucking face

[01:26:28] too much eeyore negativity for too long

[01:26:32] on this summer day gloomy old eeyore being stuffed with sawdust had lost his tail again

[01:26:41] eeyore this won't hurt never does

[01:26:49] did i get your tail back on properly eeyore no matter most likely lose it again anyway

[01:26:57] it is my considered opinion that eeyore's tail should be placed a trifle to the right

[01:27:04] it's viva la eeyore uh tigger very unsurprisingly adhd um risk taking behaviors such as impulsive

[01:27:13] eating and climbing are emphasized also springs in feet yeah um owl possibly suffers from dyslexia

[01:27:21] because of his spelling difficulties and they all spell i was gonna say have they attributed

[01:27:26] all of the spelling in the hundred acre wood to owl interesting also you probably can't spell

[01:27:32] because he's an animal who didn't go to school that's probably the issue and i'll talk more about

[01:27:40] kangaroo in a minute because this i think is actually the worst part of the thing i think i know

[01:27:45] what you're gonna say as well yeah so i'll come back around to them and the rabbit gets a just a

[01:27:50] little tiny bit of discussion right at the end uh narcissistic personality traits including

[01:27:55] self-importance yeah controlling behavior his obsessive need to organize suggests rigid hierarchical

[01:28:01] tendencies and ocd yeah and he was really annoyed with tigger so in one of the stories he brings him

[01:28:07] out to the wood and tries to fucking lose him i mean i've tried to lose both of you before

[01:28:11] while we're still here we live together yeah it doesn't work always live with you it's a lot easier

[01:28:17] to lose elsie than it is to lose you as well because you can find your way back yeah i wander off it's

[01:28:23] bad uh christopher robin displays uh signs of parental neglect and potential educational difficulties

[01:28:31] no he doesn't but okay um right i'll read some of the stuff about kangaroo well for one one thing so

[01:28:40] on this particular journal you can reply on the page about this paper okay and one of the things

[01:28:46] is that um so they say that essentially they say that because rue is being raised by a single mother

[01:28:53] he will be a delinquent oh come on which is true but not because he's being raised by a single mom

[01:29:00] no he's already a delinquent he's a delinquent it's like i i think very much in it's like a it takes a

[01:29:05] village kind of thing rue is being raised by a forest of a cast of characters it's oh yeah he's

[01:29:11] gonna be fine and in one of the responses to this paper a single mother wrote in very offended because

[01:29:19] i think because they're they basically say only because rue has a single mother his life will turn

[01:29:24] out shit and he will be shit and it's like that's very um irresponsible it's also not a mental disorder

[01:29:33] right uh they're really trying to make it work and it's not working i messaged me about this because

[01:29:39] this one i the insensitivity with how this was written is crazy to me early on we see poo being

[01:29:45] dragged downstairs bump bump bump on the back of his head could this could his later cognitive struggles

[01:29:51] be the no it couldn't no no no no no no no but i messed up brain because a kid played with the toy

[01:30:04] he's a toy are we forgetting that he's a toy could his later cognitive struggles be the result of a type

[01:30:10] of shaken bear syndrome oh no no no that is so insensitive also sorry do they know what shaken baby

[01:30:21] syndrome is because it's not hitting a child repeatedly on the head no it's a different thing

[01:30:26] that wouldn't be shaken bear syndrome would it that would be multiple that would be blunt force trauma

[01:30:32] it's a bare force trauma it's it's a different thing it's a different thing that is not what

[01:30:41] shaken baby syndrome is at all that's awful this is then followed up with who needs intervention

[01:30:46] we feel drugs are in order sorry what was the purpose of this being written there there's that

[01:30:52] is do you know what else that is it that is exactly what i said i said what is that what was their

[01:30:57] outcome what is the purpose of this there is there isn't like a conclusion or anything they come to it

[01:31:02] really genuinely seems to be for shits and gigs yeah that that could have been that could have been

[01:31:07] like a click hole article that could have been in the onion what is this doing in an academic paper

[01:31:12] it could have i i think you could use this we can talk about a way in which you can use winnie the

[01:31:18] poo to talk about psychology talk about mental health but this is not it this is this is so

[01:31:25] again like this reaching people outside of psychology

[01:31:31] horrendous results right like it's it's such a it's such an irresponsibly written paper and i also

[01:31:37] all of these people are still practicing child psychologists child psychiatrists i checked

[01:31:42] i mean they might they might have developed this yeah yeah this is 24 years ago right um but it's

[01:31:49] like just throwing around oh this this is also smacks of the early 2000s 90s over diagnosing over

[01:31:57] medicating culture that was happening because then it talks about like we recommend a low dose

[01:32:02] low dose of stimulant medication perhaps methylphenidate for poo and he will have a much better life i'm like

[01:32:09] stop it yeah it'll also be a lot less hungry won't he so

[01:32:15] but yeah so it's like we especially worry about baby rue it is not his impulsive

[01:32:19] impulsivity or hyperactivity that concerns us as we remember rue has autism we feel that those are

[01:32:25] probably age appropriate we worry about the environment in which he is developing he grows

[01:32:29] up in a single parent household which puts him at high risk for poorer outcome and i'm like

[01:32:34] that's not how you approach this topic it's also not really your area of expertise

[01:32:40] also household suggests house and they live in the woods like a tree so there's such a good joke in

[01:32:50] the film where piglet's house has a sign outside it it's like a broken sign there's only some of it

[01:32:56] you can read and he's talking about like his um great great grandfather who he inherited it from

[01:33:02] he was called trespassers will yeah what will happen to them

[01:33:21] yes whoops you see it's been in the family a long time it belonged to my grandfather

[01:33:27] oh that's his name up there trespassers will that's short for trespassers william

[01:33:36] trespassers william yes and grandma oh she called him pw that's even shorter

[01:33:45] let me read out you this one bit um i just weed a bit sorry if i keep banging on about let me read

[01:33:53] out this one bit about um kanga and like i just i just hate i just hate this so much

[01:33:58] don't apologize laura it's something to talk about uh kanga is noted to be somewhat overprotective

[01:34:02] could her possessiveness of rue relate to a previous run-in with social services

[01:34:07] and where what yeah and where will kanga be in the future it is highly likely she will end up older

[01:34:12] blousier struggling to look after several joeys conceived in casual relationships with different

[01:34:18] fathers stuck at a dead end with an inadequate financial with inadequate financial resources but

[01:34:24] perhaps we are being too gloomy kanga may prove to be one of those exceptional single mothers

[01:34:28] who show a natural resilience an ability if we may say so to bounce back sorry but i mean i don't i

[01:34:34] don't think that we need to explain why that's just horrendous multiple fathers suggest the presence of

[01:34:39] other kangaroos in british woods i mean it's incredible that there's one

[01:34:46] i question how she got pregnant in the first place maybe kanga will pass her high school equivalency

[01:34:52] test earn a university degree and even get an mba perhaps one day uh kanga will buy the hundred acre

[01:34:58] wood and develop it into a gated community of five hundred thousand dollar homes but that is not

[01:35:03] likely to happen particularly in a social context that does not appear to value education and provides

[01:35:07] no strong female leadership like honestly fuck off yeah fuck off like shay et al yeah i i was just like

[01:35:15] there you realize they're american and it's like oh you know what would be better for this child is

[01:35:20] if the concept of capitalism and real estate development is introduced to the hundred acre

[01:35:25] wood what are you fucking talking about did they say anything about gopher no gopher is only in the

[01:35:30] movie is he oh so they didn't diagnose him with being annoying it's mentioned a lot actually he says

[01:35:38] constantly he's not in the book oh does he yeah yeah he does but so there's a thesis that was written

[01:35:44] in 2015 um and basically uh the author of that she's just like uh they're wrong this is weird they're

[01:35:52] wrong and they're like if any overlap occurs with any mental illnesses this was 100 accidental and not

[01:35:59] an intentional oh of course it wasn't yeah uh on a.l milne's part and it's like yeah yeah you yeah are you

[01:36:05] fucking serious well that's because all of the all of their traits are i have said that i don't feel

[01:36:12] like that they distinguish enough from one another this is his attempt to build personalities between

[01:36:17] them yeah it's not a commentary on of in the 1920s it was not a commentary on mental illnesses it was

[01:36:26] just how to make these characters different from one another i yeah i just i think that that resurfaces

[01:36:32] every few years based on that original paper and i does people it's like a playground thing yeah

[01:36:37] people used to talk about i do not think that that would be written at least in that way now i think

[01:36:42] like that being written in that way now is horrendous

[01:37:09] so there's a newer thing i think it was 2012 if i'm remembering correctly that they it's like a

[01:37:14] questionnaire based thing that uses the characters to sort of um use it as a method of of talking with

[01:37:21] parents and with children about mental health and like personality and like that kind of thing

[01:37:25] and they separate the there's only four characters in this and they've got harmony is winnie the pooh

[01:37:31] production is rabbit connection is tigger and status quo is eeyore and then you have like

[01:37:37] corresponding statements and you ask the child and the parent how much they think they are one of

[01:37:43] these things um and then you use it to have a dialogue with the child about themselves and

[01:37:48] other people um and then we did we filled it out um i've got what we thought of each other i haven't

[01:37:55] got what we thought of ourselves here um we all thought that elsie was absolutely peak in harmony

[01:38:03] that's things like nurturing caring uh relationships are important compassionate devoted affectionate

[01:38:10] delighted with that thanks everyone saying i'm sorry uh crying although i don't think we rated you

[01:38:17] highly on crying oh i'm a big crier well you are sometimes um and then yeah we all rated you

[01:38:24] top tier for that one okay okay and then uh meg rated me and i rated meg it's just one below

[01:38:34] okay yeah uh for production uh for rabbit which i think is just like well i'll read out the thingy

[01:38:40] so it's like logical uh schedules are important uh traditional parental loyal practical conventional

[01:38:47] concerned over control so like um if things don't go your way you over control you become critical you

[01:38:53] take charge um or you're perfectionist uh if you're having a bad day you you verbally attack you

[01:38:59] overwork or you fall into perfectionism uh i put i put meg as full for that really um and then so

[01:39:09] meg's rabbit no well this isn't like what you are it's just a way to talk about these like aspects of

[01:39:14] how you approach life right so it's not a personality test it's a it's a way to start a dialogue ocd and

[01:39:21] self-important and then but not autistic no because that's true because that's that's your boyfriend

[01:39:28] yeah yeah meg put elsie in full for that one i thought that you all you both put me in full for

[01:39:35] harmony you're it's not you're in you're in every single room okay okay right and it's just where you

[01:39:41] rate in every single one oh sure um actually you rated yourself as really low on this one yeah

[01:39:47] um but then i rated you like second highest and then meg rated you highest highest and i you rated

[01:39:54] me like mid for this i'm really surprised that you think i'm that meg well the problem is the problem

[01:40:02] is that there's four categories with a lot of nebulous words in them yeah and it was hard to rank anyone in

[01:40:08] anything because it was like oh well laura is quite um she does plan things but schedules don't matter to

[01:40:17] her so it's hard to put anyone in anything yeah it's like this is why i'm not offended by being a

[01:40:25] full rabbit i wouldn't say i'm traditional or i'm relatively responsible but not super responsible

[01:40:32] well this is why i scored laura quite high because she's very parental yes she is and really loyal in a

[01:40:39] potentially sometimes like over doing it way if that makes sense all right could you be described as

[01:40:44] this one's interesting this one could you be described as conceptual what well i'm tangible

[01:40:52] thank you it's like are you knowledgeable composed and tangible it's like i'm not composed but i'd like

[01:40:59] to think i'm knowledgeable i'm an intangible abstraction it's it's hard i'm intangible knowledgeable

[01:41:04] but chaotic do not perceive me yeah but yeah i think like because that's a way you can talk to

[01:41:09] your kid about different things because if your kid's really high in the like what if they're

[01:41:14] really high in status quo and when they have a bad day if they disengage and daydream it's a good way

[01:41:18] to start a dialogue about it because you have this you have this text that they know winnie the pooh

[01:41:23] that you can use as a way to talk to them which i think is great but then you have like oh fucking

[01:41:27] rue's gonna be smoking cigarettes behind the bar what is wrong with you why have you written that why are

[01:41:33] you writing about winnie the pooh having microcephaly what is wrong with you and we all know that

[01:41:38] that the reason rue's gonna be smoking cigarettes behind the bike sheds isn't because he's got a

[01:41:43] single mother it's because he's got an addictive personality but yeah that's that's my two cents

[01:41:50] with all that or not two cents that was a lot of money actually the wonderful thing about tickers

[01:41:55] is tickers are wonderful things the tops are made of the rubber the bottoms are made of the springs

[01:41:59] the bouncy trouncy fancy bouncy fun fun fun fun fun fun but the most wonderful thing about tickers is i'm

[01:42:04] the only one i'm the only one so a book i actually read as a kid but had totally forgotten about until

[01:42:12] researching this is in 1982 there was a book written uh by american guy um called dow of poo and then

[01:42:19] later in 1992 it was the day of day of piglet and it's essentially it's a vehicle for introducing

[01:42:28] buddhist concepts to a western audience through the vehicle of winnie the pooh and piglet i didn't think we

[01:42:33] would go here but here we are i read this when i was little like i don't fully remember it but i do

[01:42:39] i remember this book existing and i remember having this book um but yeah there's some really

[01:42:44] interesting overlaps between daoist buddhism and winnie the pooh um so like so the most extreme

[01:42:53] nutshell let me for daoism it emphasizes effortless action naturalness simplicity and the three treasures

[01:42:59] which is compassion frugality and humility there's one concept within daoist buddhism called

[01:43:05] wu wei which is the uncarved block and so i'll just read out this quote uh from the dao of poo uh

[01:43:13] when you discard arrogance complexity sooner or later you will discover that simple childlike and

[01:43:18] mysterious secrets known to those of the uncarved block life is fun from the state of the uncarved

[01:43:24] block comes the ability to enjoy enjoy the simple and quiet the natural and plain along with that

[01:43:29] comes the ability to do things spontaneously and have them work as piglet put it poo hasn't much brain

[01:43:35] he never comes to any harm he does silly things and they turn out right doing nothing is called wu wei

[01:43:41] which is super super poo right but then the uncarved block in chinese the word is poo that's amazing

[01:43:48] it's amazing wow yeah like spelt spelt no no no p-u yeah well anglicized into p sure sure he is carved

[01:43:54] though he's carved like a little bird that loves honey oh but like i just think there's this like

[01:44:00] weird overlap where it's like poo's ability to do nothing and it turn out well it is a very

[01:44:05] core concept in some of dao buddhism where it's like let things happen to you and let things be

[01:44:12] simple and i'm like that's that's so weird and so cool um yeah main character syndrome

[01:44:20] uh xi jinping and winnie the pooh i'm sure we all remember this right when it started yes sort of so

[01:44:28] it began in 2013 when xi jinping visited the states and met with barack obama and the image of the two

[01:44:34] of them were immediately compared to poo and tigger yes i do remember this and the japanese president

[01:44:41] was also included in this is people thought um shinzo abe looked like eeyore which i googled it

[01:44:46] i can see it and didn't get banned in china because he was sick of being compared to winnie the pooh

[01:44:51] it basically got memed too much the chinese government this is what i've written the chinese

[01:44:56] government have no sense of humor uh regarding discussions of their leader so winnie the pooh

[01:45:00] was condemned and banned and obviously it made it way worse like when you do that it's just gonna

[01:45:05] get worse the internet's not gonna leave it i wonder what the consequence of the butterfly effect

[01:45:10] of laura saying on mike the chinese government has no sense of humor i wonder what the end of that

[01:45:16] is gonna be what have you started uh so like so in taiwan um in 2022 uh or china if china's listening

[01:45:25] in china or in china if taiwan is listening

[01:45:32] in 2022 an artist designed a pin that um members of the air force started wearing

[01:45:37] the is it's not official but the military were like yeah it's good for morale go ahead

[01:45:42] it's a black taiwanese bear which was this is a subspecies of bear as we know there are only eight

[01:45:47] species of bear we do know that yes we once had a conversation about this and laura said

[01:45:52] guess how many species of bear there are and i said hey and she said yes

[01:46:01] like couldn't believe it and i couldn't believe it it was a joke we've discussed this so so many times

[01:46:07] the three of us love bears we're always talking about the eight but i don't know how it just always

[01:46:13] comes up anyway go on because we're always like okay could we remember all eight we can never we

[01:46:17] can never remember all eight one right um so yes it's uh a picture of a taiwanese black bear

[01:46:24] punching winnie the pooh as a stand-in for jiji jping jiji jping has a cult of personality in china

[01:46:30] so there's also like very strange hate towards winnie the pooh in china like if you go looking

[01:46:35] for it they're vicious about it it's strange that's so funny so yeah that was everything on your list

[01:46:41] everything i asked you to research you did so cheers and some more and some more um i think i've said

[01:46:50] everything i i wanted to say about winnie the pooh i mean we've we've barely scratched the

[01:46:56] barely scratched the surface i've got a rumbly my tumbly what was it you said the other day this

[01:47:03] i'm so sad that i didn't keep this particular winnie the pooh my there was a winnie the

[01:47:08] pooh at my nan's house that is one of the ones that you can press on the stomach and it says his lines

[01:47:12] right and i remember i went and i visited my nan i picked it up i was like lucy will love this right

[01:47:18] brought it back to the house having sort of not considered an element of my nan's house

[01:47:22] which is that she has smoked cigarettes oh yeah oh god for decades right so everything in that house

[01:47:30] is deep deeply saturated in the smell of tobacco right so i brought it back to the house we washed

[01:47:35] it i think quite a few times didn't didn't come out at all so at least he was like i'm a pass thank

[01:47:40] you for thinking of me no thanks and then we kept it in the living room for a while and it just would

[01:47:45] occasionally we'd be on the couch and you'd move and then you'd hear i've got a rumbly and you're

[01:47:50] like ah what the fuck yeah but it was also so old that his voice box was depleted it didn't sound

[01:47:56] like winning the pooh it sounded like a demon a smoker it was horrible it was genuinely horrible it

[01:48:01] would go off by itself but the other day else said i don't know if you were on the phone or i think

[01:48:07] you might have been on the phone to your parents and i was sat in here and you said you found the

[01:48:11] scent of tobacco quite nostalgic oh i do i find the the scent of stale tobacco like a smoked in

[01:48:19] house i do find it very nostalgic because that's what my grandma's house used to smell like if i had

[01:48:24] kept that she died if i'd kept this winnie the pooh you would have had both winnie the pooh being

[01:48:29] nostalgic and when you hugged it you would have got the yeah scent of stale tobacco exactly yes

[01:48:34] yes i guess the only thing i have to say is as how i approach the end of every episode is i don't

[01:48:42] think that the 1977 film is that interesting to watch just as an adult without a child around the

[01:48:49] chris robin 2018 film very funny very very funny pooh what do you like doing best in the world

[01:48:58] what i like best is me going to visit you and you saying how about a smackerel of honey

[01:49:06] i like that too but what i like best is just doing nothing how do you do just nothing well

[01:49:15] it's when grown-ups ask what are you going to do and you say nothing and then you go out and do it

[01:49:23] i like that let's do it all the time yeah i'm glad we did this one as always and i always say this at

[01:49:29] the end of the big at the end of a big topic i feel like i'm missing bits out but it's just because

[01:49:34] i love the subject so much and i could talk about it for ages just to cover my own back here i implore

[01:49:41] you to go back and watch the 1977 film before you come for me for calling winnie the pooh annoying

[01:49:48] because have you watched it recently there's a bit in the 1977 one where he he's trying to get

[01:49:54] some honey and he decides to cosplay as a cloud um and he jumps into like a puddle of tar right it's

[01:50:01] a muddy puddle it's not a puddle of tar no black though it looks like it didn't look like mud anyway

[01:50:07] uh in this paper about the mental health stuff they they say that that's like look at look at this

[01:50:12] strange thing that he did and i went no that's so creative what are you talking about that's genius

[01:50:18] dressing as a rain cloud a little black rain cloud what's wrong with that i think that shows

[01:50:23] intelligence it's one of the best bits of the film actually it's so cute you know something pooh

[01:50:28] i'm not going to do just nothing anymore you mean never again well not so much

[01:50:37] pooh when i'm away just doing nothing will you come up here sometimes you mean alone just me yes

[01:50:47] and pooh promise you won't forget me ever oh i won't christopher i promise not even when i'm 100

[01:50:56] how old shall i be then 99 silly old whatever they go and whatever happens to them on the way

[01:51:07] in that enchanted place on top of the forest a little bear will always be waiting yeah that's

[01:51:16] that's season four what have we done we've done quite a lot it's been a big one

[01:51:21] merry yeah that is true we're done well we've got hopefully a couple of specials for you if we

[01:51:29] manage to get them recorded and they'll be on the patreon will they yeah yep and yeah what else has

[01:51:37] happened we've joined a podcast network called pedomony we think it's pronounced pedomony shout out

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[01:51:51] not to be alone yes it is it's nice to be part of a group i bet we're the only ones that record on the

[01:51:56] floor yeah maybe yeah so yeah it's been a it's been a long season it might have been our longest it is

[01:52:03] i counted earlier it is our longest yeah so all the other ones have either had 12 or 13 i think this is

[01:52:08] our 14th i think it is yeah 15th episode and we might have done a couple of two-parters in this one

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