Sky Sports Presenter Jules Warren picks his Desert Island Matches

[00:00:00] It was the England Grease game World Cup Qualifier 2002. A draw which needed to be

[00:00:05] required to qualify for the World Cup. We got that free kick 25 yards out, David Beckham

[00:00:10] who was captain, Golden Balls himself took it 25 yards out and the whole ground I just remember

[00:00:16] the tension, the nervousness perhaps the score he had to score although there was every chance

[00:00:21] of England won't qualify for the World Cup. I sure enough you've bent it over the wall,

[00:00:25] top left hand corner goal and England Qualifier for the World Cup. I just remember me and

[00:00:29] down were jumping up and down while he was trying to commentate, I was around each other

[00:00:34] and I was quite huge in the media and I was still aware what I was doing is this I shouldn't be

[00:00:38] doing this, it's not so professional and I remember I just turned around and I saw Alan Grease

[00:00:42] who was doing the five live famous commentary bouncing around with the pundit wherever it was

[00:00:46] I can't remember jumping around you know I thought I was five and it's five you know

[00:00:51] Hello and welcome back to season three episode one of when football began again the

[00:00:59] podcast that looks at the Premier League era through Rose Tinted Spectacles and tries to remember

[00:01:05] the good times. Today's show is a deserted island matchers special with Jules Warren Sky Sports

[00:01:12] broadcaster, absolute gentleman, massive Everton fan all of that coming up very shortly. Before we

[00:01:20] get there though a huge thank you to everybody who has supported the show during what was a little

[00:01:24] bit of an e-longated break, a little bit of life happening in the middle there. I've been away

[00:01:29] a little bit longer than originally anticipated but the show is back we'll be back every single week

[00:01:34] right up until the eve of Euro 2024. I've got some phenomenal guests lined up for you. I have got

[00:01:43] Jim White the journalist and author. I've got Jason Lee talking all about his career in the 90s

[00:01:51] with Nottingham Forest and the massive impact that the deal and skin and sketches had on him.

[00:01:55] I've got an episode that reimagines what some of the most memorable moments of football history

[00:02:01] would have been like and in our season my season roundups we also close out the 90s so much to call

[00:02:08] the show in the next few weeks. As ever all of the description in the show as ever in the description

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[00:02:19] any shares and reviews are much appreciated as always but let's get into it Jules Warren this was

[00:02:28] actually recorded last summer on the eve of the new season I've had to sit on this one a little bit

[00:02:35] longer than most so Everton hadn't actually received a point to duck chin at that point and

[00:02:41] to our intents and purposes we were thinking it was going to be the final season at Gooderson

[00:02:44] Park which we now know is not to be the case as well. Other than that there's a lot of

[00:02:51] Jules making a few predictions which turn out to be quite accurate actually and hoping for a slightly

[00:02:57] less stressful season as an ever in the fan not so much sorry about that Jules. So let's crack on

[00:03:04] Jules Warren deserted island matches enjoy.

[00:03:12] Joining me today to discuss his career in football and some of his most memorable matches

[00:03:19] it's one of Sky Sports most fairly phases Jules Warren Jules welcome to the show how are you?

[00:03:24] I'm very well-cold I'm in disguise a glasses today so not instantly recognizable from the box

[00:03:30] but I'm very well it's been a long time since I saw you so good to see you again.

[00:03:34] Yeah absolutely the Clark Kent of Sky Sports I love it.

[00:03:38] Passing me outside into the desk as well yeah.

[00:03:41] Well let's start with your football allegiances I mean you are a consummate professional but

[00:03:47] eagle eye viewers just spot every now and again there's a reference towards your

[00:03:51] allegiances you're never in fun aren't you how did you become an ever in fun when did you first

[00:03:54] game? Yeah I'm a bit more open about it nowadays my first start at Sky was I was sort of very

[00:03:59] reluctant to admit who I supported just in case it got me into trouble but I think you know actually

[00:04:04] as I've been there long I felt more confident in saying here I was support I don't know why

[00:04:07] no because we were rubbish most of the time so I grew up supporting Abyssin in the mid 80s which

[00:04:14] ages me somewhat I grew up on the world where you were either red or a blue or all of us are

[00:04:18] trammier fans as well of course but mainly red and blue amongst my my mates at school so it was mid 80s

[00:04:24] so we were one of the most successful teams in the country winning everything you know FA cups and

[00:04:29] lead titles in 87 and elsewhere in European trophies as well and I went blue most of my mates

[00:04:36] went red including my best mate it was a big Liverpool fan but yeah I went out of the blue

[00:04:40] roofs and I've been paying for it ever since so your first game was seen some of those great

[00:04:46] teams in the mid 80s or so? Yeah I mean my first real memory of watching everything was the 86

[00:04:51] cup finals so I'd have been seven or something like that when we played Liverpool you know big

[00:04:56] Moses I'd Darby and we took the lead Gary Lincoln scoring and I was watching it round in my

[00:05:02] best mate it was Liverpool fan his dad was a blue my dad was a blue because of me so he'd start

[00:05:06] supporting Abyssin as well so the three of us only one Liverpool my mate had a soul he went to

[00:05:11] the other room where they had a second telly and refused to watch it with us and of course they

[00:05:14] turned it round as they weren't any of us dancing around the lounge you know that's my first taste

[00:05:19] of what Liverpool fans could be like rubbing it in our faces so yeah so that's my first real memory

[00:05:23] I started going to Gooders and I think actually propagorian onto the year we won the league in 87

[00:05:28] my dad started taking me to a couple of games then when he fitted in with his work and yes so and

[00:05:33] that was where it all started for me so yeah 87 I think was the first time I ever went to to watch

[00:05:37] an Abyssin game I think from memory we just we just clinched the title action was the final game

[00:05:41] the season I went to see that against Spurs I think and that was it yeah and where are we now

[00:05:46] so that was 87 many many years on still going strong? Yes yeah yeah well before we begin selecting

[00:05:52] matches a lot of them with an ever-and-themed view deserted island it's covered a bit about your

[00:05:56] career path to sky sports you and I first met back in your radio days at Hallam FM in Sheffield you

[00:06:03] presented the sports show every Saturday how early did you know that a career in sports sports

[00:06:09] broadcasting sports journalism was for you and and how did you make those first steps? I think it went

[00:06:13] back to six form I think I started doing a bit hospital radio make work there and took it out

[00:06:18] show around I quite liked it and it was a bit of a buzz being a studio even though there's

[00:06:21] only broadcasting to you know a few wards on the hospital but that sort of gave me a taste for it

[00:06:25] and then went to university to start doing some student radio I actually did a bit of a Saturday

[00:06:29] sports show there which probably you know set the tone for me and the way my career was going to go

[00:06:33] and then when did a postgraduate diploma with broadcast journalism after my main degree

[00:06:38] and and that was where it all really happened you know I just basically went doing an English degree

[00:06:42] when I did six hours a week to a broadcasting postcard for one year which was sort of a full

[00:06:47] you know intensive five-day week job effectively learning learning the trade and the radio studios

[00:06:53] TV studios and I just absolutely loved it and we started visiting news editors who'd come in we'd

[00:06:58] do like a news day pretend we were a radio station or TV company for the day to broadcast

[00:07:03] with bulletins do programs and one of the news editors that came in was working with me and spotted

[00:07:08] me off from a bit of work experience that led to my first job in Manchester on Radio Station

[00:07:13] Echo key 103 was my first ever radio job did a few years there and then Halem Femme where I

[00:07:18] did met you came up from Sheffield they were a sister station to key and they asked me if I was

[00:07:23] interested in going to be the head of sport there because at key I was news and sport or I knew

[00:07:27] I wanted to do sport and yeah took the job there and had four or five really really happy years

[00:07:33] there met my wife and yeah actually I've been at university in Sheffield so it was a great place for

[00:07:37] me to go back to and live and yeah there was some great times weren't there Halem Femme at the Saturday

[00:07:41] Sports Show game on with it we're a really good team it was it was pretty full on but it was

[00:07:46] it was a great way to sort of learn my trade and certainly there's a great platform for me

[00:07:50] to get to sky many years later that's it yeah the goal updates during a reanna song or whatever it

[00:07:55] might be and then you know two Sheffield clubs rather than Barnes and Don Kaster as well it was yeah

[00:08:01] hot break time so the first match to pick for your deserted island is a primarily game featuring

[00:08:08] Everton what would you go for I mean I have a long think about this and it's a sort of correlation

[00:08:13] to the season I've just endured that's just gone back because gone by when we stayed up on the

[00:08:17] final day so I've gone back to 1994 which is the first of these three close shades really close

[00:08:23] shares we had on the final date losing our top-right status for the first time in decades so

[00:08:28] 1994 farm day the season lots of permutations as to whether we'd stay up or go down which you

[00:08:34] know hadn't happened in my first 25 years of sporting Everton on that day we were playing Wimbledon

[00:08:40] and I was actually I was musical at that stage in the youth orchestra

[00:08:44] as I do thought I'm a dad was the conductor that was his back venue was a classical musician

[00:08:49] and we had a big rehearsal for a concert that night in the philimonic hall in Liverpool but this

[00:08:52] game was on this huge game so not 80 kids in this in rehearsing for this concert and lots of

[00:08:58] Everton and Liverpool fans but a lot of Everton fans you know rather have been watching the game or

[00:09:02] at the game but couldn't be because I had to be at this rehearsal so my dad had given

[00:09:06] the timpani the drum player permissions to have a headset on and listen to the commentary

[00:09:11] so so a 2-0 down is just shaking his head and he's looking to inject it in the word comes to

[00:09:17] the same mind this is what 94 so it wasn't the day of mobile phones and stuff so he just

[00:09:21] literally had one radio commentary and we were 2-0 down and it's all right we were doing we were going

[00:09:25] down to inject it was pretty miserable then half of rehearsal piece bang he banged his drum

[00:09:32] totally out of breath I was like oh wait two one oh great okay I think it was

[00:09:35] Graham Stuart scored a penalty so it's a two on a half time into the second half

[00:09:40] bang drum again goes it turns out it was Barry Horn scoring this worldy to make it two two

[00:09:45] as the ring for the last 10 minutes of the game and obviously we need we still need to go

[00:09:49] off and get that point and Graham Stuart played a famous one too with Tony Cotty scored

[00:09:55] he went bang on his drums like that and we turned it around it was brilliant we have one

[00:09:59] of the celebrating stuff so it's just a really really good memory of you know being in that rehearsal

[00:10:04] situation and and seeing as there's just a really special day and we stayed up and obviously we did

[00:10:11] it again in 98 but it again this season we somehow keep living a rather lucky life but I'm hoping

[00:10:17] it won't be fourth time unlucky next season yeah I mean if you're going to trust anyone with the

[00:10:21] commentary the drum player is going to be someone who's going to let everyone else know but

[00:10:25] wouldn't it be quite the same impact would have been the triangle blow wouldn't it or the horn

[00:10:30] section 4 Barry Horn of course you know that would be nice yeah good boy so from Hallem

[00:10:37] Affem you moved on to Sky Sports where you quickly establish yourself as one of the channels main

[00:10:42] faces often deputizing for the legend there is Jeff Stellin on soccer specials obviously they're

[00:10:47] huge boots to fill if I may say so you do brilliantly and what preparation goes into a big live show

[00:10:54] like that and can you ever kind of feel fully prepared for live TV or is that always an element of

[00:11:00] being on the edge of your seat you don't know what's coming next yeah I think in in live sport in

[00:11:04] that environment there's always that unpredictability you never know what's going to happen it is

[00:11:08] funny the number of people I think have said to me in the past what happens what do you talk about

[00:11:12] six o'clock you just go on and read also Q doing you're like no no I show like that you know for

[00:11:18] start you don't know what's gonna happen 90 minutes of football and it's pretty much unscripted from

[00:11:21] the minute we go on air there's a little bit at the top of the limelighted rhythm but largely it's

[00:11:25] you know it's just a blank camera and off you go with your guests and you report us out at the

[00:11:30] ground for an average Tuesday night soccer specials show which is a busy say 40 matches that night

[00:11:34] I've probably done a 10 hour day on Monday once I've dropped the kids at school be prepping all

[00:11:38] the way through the day on the stats and research and reading articles and chatting to the producer

[00:11:43] on the phone about what our buildup will be focused on what's talking about if you want to get through

[00:11:48] and then I get in on a Tuesday midday maybe so six or seven hours of further work to do before

[00:11:54] we actually go an air at seven o'clock so there's a lot of prep goes into it because you've got to be

[00:11:59] prepared for it whether it's a Premier League game or a Champions League game whether you're

[00:12:03] covering national league fixtures on the very printer or Scottish league one you know it's my

[00:12:07] job to be across everything I need to I need to know what the permutations are what the context is

[00:12:11] for each club what the implications of a goal what it means for the league table what the main

[00:12:15] stories are so you can't ever be prepared enough I think the old mantra of prepare to fail

[00:12:20] fails prepare is is always true but other times when you plan music you're nicely prepped and then

[00:12:25] you'll have a big story or break during a show like that which you just can't be prepared for

[00:12:30] most recent cases that was last season we've got the sad news that came through literally three

[00:12:34] minutes before we were on an air the Pele had passed away and so you know suddenly a 45 minute build

[00:12:39] that you've got for a busy football show is totally out of the window you know you can't be doing all

[00:12:44] the chats you're going to you have to report this very suddenly news and it's very big news for

[00:12:48] the football world and you know the running order goes out the window I mean you have to start

[00:12:52] thinking about how you're gonna get the tone right for a show where there's goals lying in but

[00:12:56] you know football is morning one of its greatest habits so yeah you can never be prepared for what

[00:13:00] might happen but yeah those midweek nights can be full on there's a lot going on guests

[00:13:07] in the studio normally guding around a lot of the time as they like to report us at the ground

[00:13:11] video printer three or four different voices in my ear feeding me stuff and telling me

[00:13:15] where we're going next and that sort of stuff so you're spinning a lot off plates to what I always

[00:13:19] talk about and occasionally if you smash the floor but most of you get through unscathed.

[00:13:24] Yeah holding it all together absolutely yeah the second game for you deserted island is a non

[00:13:30] premierly game what would you go for? So I had to think about this and I think you know I chose

[00:13:35] one of the games actually from probably our days at Hallum Col when we were covering Sheffield

[00:13:40] United and Sheffield Wednesday and it's the playoff final for Sheffield Wednesday

[00:13:45] when they faced Hartley Corps in 2005 I think and it was at Cardiff at the Millennium

[00:13:49] State because Wembley was being redone at that time and we've been there two years early with Sheffield

[00:13:53] and I from the final which went horribly wrong for the blaze they were the goals after five minutes

[00:13:57] they lost three and it was all over a half time and so it was a pretty dejected journey back to

[00:14:02] to South Yorkshire so back two years later with Sheffield Wednesday Paul Starrick was the manager

[00:14:06] in those days and we had Ron Atkinson as our pundit who we booked for the day was obviously a big

[00:14:12] big character and I remember having to go meet him somewhere in the side of Cardiff like half of

[00:14:17] my walk from the ground as a boiling hot day and I was sent in I was doing the commentary I had

[00:14:21] while I was head of sports so I decided myself to go and get him so I went to Metton

[00:14:26] and walking back through the streets towards the stadium you know Ron Atkinson everyone

[00:14:29] knows Ron Atkinson so all the Wednesday fans who were lying on the street saw him just started swarming

[00:14:35] round him and I was walking he just kicks out I'm going to keep walking keep walking it was like the

[00:14:39] pie pieper as you made this way towards the Millennium Stadium which is the Sea of Wednesday fran

[00:14:43] behind him singing songs and stuff so it was a great atmosphere on the way there with Big Ron who

[00:14:48] was the sort of character I thought he would be and actually you know we didn't do many

[00:14:51] commentaries on how I was used the polyurecord so having a big name like that was great for

[00:14:55] for a big final and this one went a lot better than two years earlier did I should go to extra

[00:14:59] time was actually quite an early final but they scored early an extra time Wednesday

[00:15:02] and again in the last minute of the game they won it four two but yeah that was a great day

[00:15:06] and then the Wednesday fans that night in Cardiff which is a great night out anyway if you've been

[00:15:11] out there and people in Cardiff will know that so great night out anyway the whole place

[00:15:15] just seems to be taken over by Wednesday fans it was absolutely bouncing I think Ron was probably

[00:15:19] in the corner somewhere with a bottle of champagne but I didn't see but yeah that was memorable just

[00:15:23] for the pie pieper and my Atkinson loon the Wednesday fans did the streets of Cardiff it was great

[00:15:28] I suppose that's the thing if you're Ron Atkinson you used to be in Ron Atkinson so you're going

[00:15:32] to trap that crowd when you were right too yeah he wasn't flayed I was more I was the one

[00:15:36] there's more phase but I can just pitch we had his Louis Vuitton sort of manbag he had under his

[00:15:40] arm as well but if fun of things that stay with you I can't remember what happened yesterday but

[00:15:44] I remember that quite good amazing well I mean we've coming on to the next question you've worked

[00:15:50] with some of the biggest names in the game Ron Atkinson being one of them and I still I still

[00:15:53] remember you on a co-commentary down the line with Chris Waddle and me being a spurs fan had the

[00:15:59] opportunity to say hello to Chris Waddle and I think I just went to pieces because I think I

[00:16:02] don't have a chat to an expert's way before I mean who are the kind of names that sometimes maybe

[00:16:08] you've interviewed that you sometimes have to pinch yourself and go wow another any names that

[00:16:12] you'd love to have the opportunity to work with in the future I suppose you can think I've done

[00:16:16] a fair few so big name interviews if you like I remember in my radio days I meant to go

[00:16:19] interview Alex Ferguson which was very intimidating I didn't normally do the Manchester United's interviews

[00:16:25] but Dan Walker who was the head of sport then I couldn't do it for any reason so I went to

[00:16:29] interview him and that was I mean you know the aura that guy has you know I was stood outside his

[00:16:33] office trembling along with actually the journals who were all interviewed in most weeks he just

[00:16:37] had that presence and that intimidating factor so yeah people like him but I suppose for me it's

[00:16:43] the ever-syn connection again you know it's like you mentioned with Chris Waddle you know I

[00:16:47] play as like Barry Horn Trevor Steven Graham Stewart guys some of our greatest players and have scored

[00:16:54] some of the most important goals in our history I mentioned Graham Stewart and keeping us up

[00:16:57] that year and Barry Horn with the world and suddenly you're sharing a studio and they're

[00:17:02] they give you their views talking to you not like you were mate you know and it's like well this is

[00:17:06] the cars I used to go and go and watch at the games and another one of those Graham Sharp one of

[00:17:11] our legendary strikers you know he did quite these soccer specials with me and and Tony Kotte you

[00:17:16] know I remember being at Gooderson for Tony's debut in 1988 and he scored a hat trick in his first

[00:17:22] game and I was there as a ten-year-old boy decked out on my average in Tracksuit with my old man

[00:17:27] you know cheering his name you know he's my new hero and then 25 years later you're sat there

[00:17:32] in the studio you know with Tony Kotte on a part on a panel show that you're presenting you know

[00:17:38] and so you talk about pinch yourself stuff I mean that's really special actually so yeah I think

[00:17:42] it's probably people with the the ever-syn connection that that means the most to me

[00:17:48] in terms of who I'd like to share a studio with

[00:17:52] what could I say it has to be another average in legend wouldn't it really

[00:17:57] big-done confers and loved have big-done in the studio sometimes yeah I mean you never did

[00:18:00] many interviews did he but I think he's done a few more now and I know he's a manager again

[00:18:04] these days but yeah big-done could I tell people on the panel one day

[00:18:07] the third game for your deserted island is your favorite non-evitan Premier League game so any

[00:18:12] game from the Premier League era that you'd really been again again not future-never

[00:18:18] so I thought it was a bit obvious I've got to go down the aguero line but yeah I actually think

[00:18:23] a lot of people will say that one so I thought of another game normally when you think of a memorable

[00:18:27] goal at memorable game it's got to be one which had goals in it and this one had loads it was

[00:18:31] actually it mentions the Derby back in 2009 it finished Monday night at four man city three

[00:18:38] and I guess because during the job I do you always love a story and a sub plot and you know a narrative

[00:18:44] and you had so many to this one there's a Manchester Derby first of all it was United City and of

[00:18:48] course City would just start growing stature the noisy neighbors you know that sort of thing

[00:18:52] and you have Carlos Teves playing for Manchester City he'd been at Maninitie for the last two years

[00:18:59] who was taught was he going to sign a permanent deal with United he'd been on loan there

[00:19:03] Cyrilic said he didn't answer the phone when he tried to pick him up Teve said he was never off

[00:19:06] the permanent deal so he went to Manchester City inevitably in this Derby which was

[00:19:10] only in the season scored against Manchester United but then it was three three pending as a stoppage

[00:19:17] time so Fergie time and Maninitie won it with Michael Owen scoring the winner you know

[00:19:25] everyone was like why is Michael Owen signed for Manchester United? He's allowed to come up through

[00:19:28] the Liverpool ranks mostly being off to round the drivons of Newcastle but he came back

[00:19:32] and he scored the winner in a Manchester Derby against the Manchester City side including Carlos

[00:19:37] Teves that was on the rise so it was seven goals loads of narrative winner in Fergie time

[00:19:42] you know classic Premier League game I think Fergie said afterwards it was probably the best Derby ever

[00:19:47] I mean I might have the argue that Everton for Liverpool for in the FA Cup many years ago

[00:19:51] tops that but in terms of a Premier League it doesn't involve my beloved Blues it stands out

[00:19:57] yeah I think there's like quite an iconic image just well at the end of Mark Hughes like

[00:20:01] angrily pointing out is what yes someone who's been on the right side of Fergie time in his

[00:20:07] playing career just pointing out to the officials so just you know the injustice of it

[00:20:12] yeah there's another now as you see I had everything and absolutely everything yeah yeah

[00:20:17] and I love a game like that where the camera's literally shaking you know it's important going

[00:20:21] when you can see the camera shaking in the stadium yeah absolutely coming back to Everton for a

[00:20:27] minute the top he's having in the top flight uninterrupted now since 1954 a few short spells aside

[00:20:33] either side of World War II there've been a top fight club for their entire existence obviously

[00:20:37] been a founder member of the football league in 1888 as well despite this and as you've

[00:20:41] touched upon the last couple of seasons I've seen them edge ever close to the relegation track

[00:20:45] door it was really quite a close run thing at this season that's just passed as well and as we

[00:20:50] come into what is presumably the final season at Goodison what are your hopes for the future

[00:20:55] and what do the club need to do differently to avoid a third consecutive season of real struggle

[00:21:00] yeah I really can't go through another year and not to be able to do that the last two you know

[00:21:05] being all those years you're finishing seventh and wondering how we're going to break into the top six

[00:21:09] what I would give to be finishing seventh again heading into this season this year it's been

[00:21:13] pretty miserable time to be an Everton fan and you know you'll know it all football fans will

[00:21:18] so much going off the pitch at Everton you know and I think we know with all successful clubs it's

[00:21:22] when boardrooms are settled and the club is being well run from top to bottom but the fact is you

[00:21:27] know we've got issues off the pitch with the ownership with the boardroom you know and the problem is

[00:21:32] as long as that continues and there's that disconnect between the board and the fans and the problems

[00:21:37] continue on the pitch and that's the way it worked. Far ahead of me sure with the owners has now moved

[00:21:41] onto the board himself to try and take more control over things which I don't think is going to appease

[00:21:45] the fans that's the thing and so yet again we're going to a summer where we're all looking at the

[00:21:49] transfer market wondering who are we going to sign we've got to strengthen that squad that nearly

[00:21:53] went down I think we're all scratching our heads wondering what's going to happen you know so

[00:21:56] that stability at the moment doesn't look like it's there and we've got this lovely new staging

[00:22:03] being built which I saw a couple of weeks ago I was down there for a game and I went have a quick

[00:22:06] look because I had a chance to look at looks amazing it's going to be spectacular and as you say this

[00:22:10] is our final season at Gooderson and he won away off the old lady with a really good campaign but

[00:22:15] at the moment we're just wondering well is it going to be the same old same old and we're going to

[00:22:18] be moving into a new stadium you know in the in the championship so there's a lot of uncertainty

[00:22:23] I personally are in Sean Ditch we've got an experienced manager I love Frank Lampala as a guy

[00:22:28] it's a football man I really wanted it to work for him but he just didn't but I think in Sean

[00:22:32] Ditch you've got a manager who you know knows his stuff his experience he's worked on the budget

[00:22:36] before I hope he can pull a few raritz out of hats this summer not sure how much money we've

[00:22:41] got to spend I hope he can make you know improve the squad so that we are you know just a mid-table

[00:22:46] finish just to make sure there's no flirting with relegation this season because everything fans

[00:22:50] cannot go through that again no no it's been a difficult couple years hopefully as you say maybe

[00:22:55] a bit more it's slightly more boring season hopefully for that one season yeah I take boring Carl

[00:23:00] I take boring and the fourth match you to take to your deserted island is a European match you'd

[00:23:06] read the video again so could be your way for game it could be a game overseas domestic game what

[00:23:11] have you gone for? Thinking me going back to an ever-same game but I'll have to because we haven't

[00:23:17] had many European campaigns in my lifetime and in fact this one is actually just before as I said

[00:23:21] earlier I started going to games and supporting them but 1985 I've seen highlights and clips on

[00:23:26] YouTube over the years 1985 we've got to our first ever European final in the Cup winners cup

[00:23:32] which we won beat Rapp of the Anna Red Rotterdam but actually it was the semi-final

[00:23:35] at Gooderson the second leg against the mighty bi-munic who were the West German champions

[00:23:40] at the time which goes down as one of the great games at Gooderson Park and it was Neil Nill from

[00:23:46] the first leg back to Gooderson for the second leg 50,000 were there we were a goal down

[00:23:52] at half time and Howard Pemble apparently famously said to the players we're kicking towards

[00:23:55] the Gladys Street end the fans will suck the ball in I'm sure enough they did three times you

[00:24:00] completely turn it around in the second half um at the first goal we can see it was the first

[00:24:06] we can see it in the whole competition getting two to that run to the semi-final and then second

[00:24:11] half Graham Sharp scores to level it Andy Gray scores to put it in front and then Trevor Steven

[00:24:15] gets one just to put the icing on top of the cake and you look at the scenes online or whatever

[00:24:20] at Gooderson Park that night particularly the Gladys Street absolute limbs as we say these days

[00:24:25] total crazy scenes behind the behind the goal and people who were there say that they've never

[00:24:30] known Gooderson like it was a whole ground so about the camera shaking was absolutely rocking

[00:24:35] and I think it thought it was about to fall down um we had a pretty close atmosphere last game

[00:24:40] with last season when we instead of against Bournemouth but um that was just a really really special

[00:24:45] night apparently I just wish I you know been a fanmen to go and see it but um and that was the year

[00:24:50] that we won the league and we would have in the treble an historic treble but we lost the final

[00:24:54] again to Manchester United and the Epic Cup finals it was a great time to be at Everton's fan and

[00:24:57] that European campaign obviously was the the icing on the top of the cake and uh yeah not

[00:25:04] many many European Cup finals since then unfortunately my time I like to actually remember it

[00:25:09] and these are the moments I think as well with an old ground like Gooderson when you move away

[00:25:13] from an old ground yeah you know obviously the new stadium is going to be fantastic and hopefully some

[00:25:18] European campaigns ahead but actually they're the the nights that will live forever I think in

[00:25:22] the memory of any fan that was there and it's it's on and it's feeling unlike any other

[00:25:27] yeah absolutely and you're right it's particularly point when you think back to a night like that

[00:25:31] for you know we're about to weigh far out to this place it's been our own for 120 ideas or whatever

[00:25:36] it is um and you know it's been home to many memories and special occasions for me as well but um

[00:25:42] yeah I mean you know I'm realistic we know how modern football is and you know you you cannot

[00:25:48] survive in a stadium in the Premier League with the size of Gooderson Park and you know you

[00:25:52] you've got to have other revenue streams coming in and you know you see the best teams

[00:25:55] in have the best ground you know that's the way it's the correlation there between the money coming

[00:25:59] in and so yeah we have to move and we have to move with the times and the new stadium will be

[00:26:03] spectacular right on the mercy or be a place to go uh to visit if you're in the city it'll be a real

[00:26:08] you know on the list of tourist attractions we'll get new fans coming in new people putting

[00:26:12] being money into the club so you have to go down that route but I will miss Gooderson as I say it's

[00:26:16] been a big part of my life and it's you know it's one of the last old traditional grounds isn't it

[00:26:21] you know where you know the wooden seats are still there it shakes when the ball goes in and you know

[00:26:26] I can still remember the sort of the smells and the sights when I first started going there as a

[00:26:31] wheel out so yeah it would be really sad when it's it's no more but um you know you have to move on

[00:26:36] I think Manchester City have proved that uh when you do move on from your old ground success can follow

[00:26:41] well away from wouldn't it travel but you know you can't met Dreamcar you never know you never know

[00:26:47] I mean you've just you've covered a few there that some of your fondest memories of Gooderson when

[00:26:52] you think about in those sights and smells what are the what are the matches that you will remember

[00:26:56] being their live in the ground for that I'll never leave you it's it's probably not even specific

[00:27:02] matches it's going there as I said 87 I started going there with my doubts I was under 10

[00:27:06] you know boy you know and saw new to me and I like I still remember I still have the feeling now

[00:27:11] whenever you drive up to Gooderson we walk up used to park because you know um the area you've got

[00:27:16] the outfield savagery you've got obviously the park with the two football grounds you decided it

[00:27:20] and we also used to park in the same place me and my dad's and and walk up was about pulling Marwan walk

[00:27:26] he thought about 10 miles when there's a boy you know and we used to walk up and suddenly the ground

[00:27:30] just appears in front of you on the horizon I just remember the first time I ever saw that and then

[00:27:34] when you're actually in the ground you walk up the steps you know and your head comes above and

[00:27:38] the pitch and the seat and the stadium appears in front of you and the goose bite it still gets me

[00:27:43] now just seeing that as a football fan you know as a teniwold it felt like the biggest place in the

[00:27:49] world you know and you go in now and it feels quite small as a football ground but at the time it was

[00:27:54] just so daunting a big and noisy and I don't want the smells of the cigarette smell you know and

[00:28:00] the hot dogs and it's all stereotyped but you know it was the way you know the late 80s I remember

[00:28:05] I always remember uh as always in the tracksuit we ever to track suit a mumbo made me a patlo

[00:28:10] shoulder or clutching that as he walked into the ground and I remember just George Harrison

[00:28:15] seemed to be playing on the PA system I've got my line set on you every single game which like

[00:28:20] that was the one song they had him played every week but whenever I was there for that song now

[00:28:24] if you ever hear it on the radio wherever he is it just takes me back straight away um to go

[00:28:29] back to to go to some of Madaghano as a as a young lad and you know here and I over the years we've

[00:28:34] worked and stuff I'm able to get there all that often and it's helped isn't great now so we haven't

[00:28:38] been to it for a couple of years but having those memories particularly when that ground is no more

[00:28:44] a really special yeah yeah absolutely and yeah that's that's what football is all about isn't it so uh

[00:28:51] okay the fifth and final match for you to choose is an international match you'd take with you to watch

[00:28:57] forever which game would you go for I mean yeah you could I could have gone to 66 couldn't I

[00:29:01] you know being an England fan I've gone for an England game I've gone for a game that I was at

[00:29:06] which you might remember back in 2001 and I was actually working on it I'm not working on

[00:29:11] any England games because I've been in you know a regional radio or or national TV in the studio but

[00:29:16] it was the England Greece game World Cup qualifier 2002 and we were two onbound and I was at key 103

[00:29:24] at the time we was at Old Trafford in Manchester so I was at the radio station there Dan Walker

[00:29:28] was head of sport and somehow we've got commentary quite a last minute commentary deal because it

[00:29:32] was in Manchester I don't know how it worked so he was compensating I was working alongside him

[00:29:36] uh and of course we were two onbound a draw which needs to be devoid to qualify for the World Cup

[00:29:41] if we lost we're going to a playoff and therefore might not have made it to Japan and

[00:29:45] career a year later so it was all on the line got into the stoppage time two on down neither the goal

[00:29:52] and we got that free kick um 25 yards out David Beckham who was captain golden boards himself

[00:29:58] took it 25 yards out the whole ground I just remember the tension the nervousness everyone knew

[00:30:04] the significance everyone knew what Beckham was capable of but you know he could just as he blazed

[00:30:09] it over the bar under such pressure he had to score he had to score although there's every chance

[00:30:12] that England won't be able qualify for the World Cup and sure enough he bent it over the wall

[00:30:17] top left hand corner goal and England qualified for the World Cup and I just remember me and down

[00:30:21] were jumping up and down while he was trying to commentate and I was around each other

[00:30:26] and I was so quite huge in the media and I still aware what I was doing is this I shouldn't be doing

[00:30:30] this it's not so professional and I remember I just turned around and I saw Alan Green

[00:30:34] he was doing the five live famous commentary bouncing around with the pundit where everyone

[00:30:38] was I can't remember maybe they were just jumping around you know I thought oh it's five and it's

[00:30:42] fine you know it's just an amazing amazing occasion to be there for this England game this huge

[00:30:47] moment it was probably the moment that Beckham's career in a positive and actually in a way it was

[00:30:52] you know redemption for him from what happened in 1998 when he was in the so-called grata and

[00:30:56] vilified for the for the sending off and here he was captain on his home ground or back in Manchester

[00:31:01] and he scored the winning goal in the last minute of the game so yeah that was amazing to be there

[00:31:06] definitely that redemption I think of scoring that goal and then course that that

[00:31:09] then set up he scored the penalty against Argentina at that World Cup in the world yeah totally

[00:31:14] totally how different it could have been if he'd not scored that free kick so Benet

[00:31:17] like Beckham and he certainly did yeah yeah you know you know you're good at free kicks when

[00:31:22] like it enters a popular culture you know absolutely we've covered like you in terms of most

[00:31:30] of your career most of your your day job is in live broadcast situations have there ever been

[00:31:37] anytime when things are going terribly wrong and you have to just remain that syringe swan

[00:31:43] at the top of the surface even though things are going wrong around you yes I'd like to say of

[00:31:48] course that by watching me you think there never things never go wrong behind the scenes

[00:31:52] it's just so smooth when chaos is going on behind me but there are times when you could probably

[00:31:56] tell that I'm flouting around a bit because it's live TV it stuff happens if we were talking

[00:32:01] before we came on air what you and I reminiscing about our days on the radio album when you know

[00:32:05] it was very small TV I've made this presenter we had someone driving the desk like you guys working

[00:32:09] on the studio cutting stuff and saw the other reporters who at the grounds and all that but it was

[00:32:14] a small team I remember one day did all the ISDNs the way we feed the feed from the ground to the

[00:32:20] studio all went down I think and there's no tech teaming on a weekend so I think I was out of the

[00:32:26] back in an ad break maybe or during when a song was playing pulling out leads switching on and off

[00:32:31] resetting I'll just put out the back and put it back in that normally solves things I think it

[00:32:35] did but I think all the reporters had gone and it was chaos so that happens in radio and in TV

[00:32:41] but of course in TV it's a bigger operation than you've got lots of people involved but I've had

[00:32:45] a few things I remember once on a World Cup preview show being out on vision and about 564

[00:32:52] as due to going out we're back to the desk and my chair had gone as I looked at the

[00:32:58] lecture it was like 4 3 and I saw a chair over there by camera so I actually literally run over

[00:33:02] because everyone's like what's sure doing around over grab this chair grab it across the studio

[00:33:06] lift it onto the stage and one a back in face just in time to do so no one would have known at home

[00:33:12] so for the furniture removal whilst whilst presenting and there was another time when and this

[00:33:17] was probably the one of the worst ones I can't remember what happened it was a technological failure

[00:33:22] but speaking behind a graphics with a league table or something was off up on the screen and I

[00:33:27] was ad libbing over it and normally ended the director would say okay back in vision in your

[00:33:31] carry on or whatever but it couldn't get the graphic off screen so it was just stuck on screen

[00:33:37] occasionally you think oh you'll hear them do something a couple of seconds later you'll just have

[00:33:40] just a pause they'd breathe a bit and then they'll get rid of it and then you'll carry on but no

[00:33:44] it was still there they said oh George just you just have to keep going keep bearing so of course

[00:33:48] I said oh and I'm just point out such a short team in 12 or whatever it was and this team

[00:33:52] George we can't get rid of it we can't get rid of it so it felt like about five minutes but

[00:33:57] about a minute many of me waffling onwards I think I had to be honest I've always I think someone

[00:34:01] said to me many years ago what you can't disguise emphasize it TV so you know the viewer at home

[00:34:07] needs to know you can't try and pull the wall over the right you just have to be honest and try

[00:34:10] and make light of it so I think in the end accent I'll be honest with you this graphic is stuck

[00:34:13] and we can't get it down so you just have to listen to me and I can't really actually

[00:34:17] total in the end but I think it was the best part of four minutes or I was just my microphone

[00:34:22] and this stuck graphic which has no relevance to anything I was talking about but you just have to

[00:34:26] keep going until it works out what the problem is probably pull the plug out the back and put it

[00:34:30] back in there it was all right in the end I mean people don't realise probably just how much noise

[00:34:37] is going on in your ears while you're talking away and and I remember that even in radio days

[00:34:44] have just been conscious of that I've trying to keep a message or a goal of day brief but you know

[00:34:49] so that you get the message but kind of on a different plane to the one that's talking and

[00:34:54] broadcasting is that something you're just developing over time that you're just I mean are you

[00:34:59] good around the house listening to three conversations going on at once or is that just a skill you've

[00:35:05] developed. Let's go to develop what it means I'm used to be able to pick out voices I need to

[00:35:09] pick out and ignore others so my mind can actually say I'm very good at doing that at home but

[00:35:16] it's something you build up over the years absolutely I don't think anyone who works in TV for the

[00:35:20] first time could say when the first sentence was studio and had a director and a producer and

[00:35:24] a director's assistant and in my case on soccer special the stats guy you know kind of four different

[00:35:29] voices talking no one can say well I was fine with it straight away it takes time and you just

[00:35:34] you learn to deal with all these different things going on different people speaking to at one

[00:35:38] time and you know as you said you used to buzz me at a strategic times on the radio and similarly that

[00:35:43] you know I have a lot of stats myself but the stuff that's happening live I can't be because

[00:35:47] everything so I have a really good stats guy works on the show who buzz me I'll be talking about

[00:35:52] something else or I'm about to go to something else but he'll buzz me because he knows I've got

[00:35:55] time to process that maybe write it down but yeah I mean on those busy Tuesday nights on soccer

[00:35:59] specials you know I could be now I've got a video printer which is changing all the time which

[00:36:03] I've got my 30s printed sheets of paper which I'm updating all the scores on all the science I'll

[00:36:07] be writing whilst I'm throwing to Clinton Morrison in the studio because he's just shouted so

[00:36:11] something's happened to his game whilst I'm being told that we're about to go to a such and such

[00:36:15] reporter to a ground to do this then another goal is I'm going to the video printer and then

[00:36:19] I'm told no go to someone else and stick as apt to change then a big goal goes in as I'm trying

[00:36:22] to write so you know it's all the time I mean you know I come off air after Tuesday night or when

[00:36:27] is the night the three hours on air feeling absolutely done in completely flattened and my mates always

[00:36:34] joke they say you've been talking about football for three hours probably doing a proper job I can

[00:36:37] you be shattered but honestly it's just in this assault on your senses and I'll absolutely you know

[00:36:43] three hours show I'm just absolutely done in by that because there's just so much going on it's

[00:36:47] so intense I was quite it's the thrill of it obviously it's I love it it's the joy but that is

[00:36:52] why sometimes things do go wrong or you might the brain and the head at the brain and the mouth don't

[00:36:58] get in gear correctly so because you've got so much going on you'll say the wrong team or the wrong

[00:37:03] score people are home again why is he said that but that's sometimes you know probably what's

[00:37:07] happened that there's something going on in my hair I've just everything's not seen up at the

[00:37:11] right time but hey it's great fun it's that spinning place and I was you I said I said again but

[00:37:16] yeah there's a lot going on yeah yeah absolutely yeah one hell of a skill um so

[00:37:22] on your deserted island you also we're going to give you the chance of redemption and we're

[00:37:27] going to allow a either current or former premier league player to come and attempt a rescue

[00:37:32] mission of you however do be warned if this rescue mission fails they are going to be stranded

[00:37:39] there with you potentially for all eternity with that in mind who are you going for well it's a guy

[00:37:46] I've mentioned his name once before because he's I think he's my hero as a as a the last 25 years

[00:37:51] that's Duncan Ferguson big Duncan um because yeah favorite ever since I've been the last 25 years

[00:37:58] and if you want someone to come and rescue on a mission you've got to come to adversity to get

[00:38:02] there and say this is a guy that fought off burglars in his house yeah so yeah he's gonna he's gonna

[00:38:08] make sure he gets there to save you um he does a great story about his ever since days which I

[00:38:12] want to listen to so if we are stuck for a bit you know he we're going to talk through uh the ever

[00:38:17] some days and if all else fails and he can't rescue me and we get stuck there together

[00:38:22] and you've got some low days and some tough times you've got to get through the ever since ballboys

[00:38:25] will tell you from when he was manager he gave a very good hug and I think you might need a big

[00:38:30] a big hug from big dunk uh when times are tough stuck on a desert island so they're Duncan Ferguson's

[00:38:36] coming to save me all right that's good we'll we'll send him along um and you've had some big

[00:38:43] characters on your panel for soccer specials over the years uh one of the reasons I think the

[00:38:48] dynamic kind of banner and everything that goes on on that show is uh it's it's quite slustered so long

[00:38:53] um which is are there any players that you kind of currently see in the current back to

[00:38:58] premier league players who you think might make good pundits or panelists maybe 10 years from now

[00:39:02] after they've found what their boots it's so interesting this because um you never know whether a

[00:39:08] player is going to it's going to be comfortable doing punditry you know particularly on a show

[00:39:12] like soccer soccer it's soccer it's soccer special and it's actually a lot more complicated I think

[00:39:16] people give credit for I mentioned what the sort of information I'm receiving right here they're

[00:39:19] also receiving information from the director they're listening to the commentary of their game

[00:39:23] they're listening to me throwing questions at them they're trying to make sure they're across

[00:39:26] what's going on the other game so they can interact if they need to it is actually quite a skill to

[00:39:31] be able to do it and um you know some start doing it go on do one shift maybe to go and go to

[00:39:38] well and next and they're being hammered on Twitter you know that one thinks well you're a brilliant

[00:39:41] footballer you know but you can't yeah terrible when it comes to describing a game but why should we

[00:39:46] expect a player with a brilliant footballer is about to come and sit in the studio and you know give

[00:39:50] us good insight from analysis you know doing something which they're not used to doing they might

[00:39:54] have done postmatch you know interviews of course but it's a very very different discipline so

[00:39:59] you're never too sure whether a former player is going to make a good pundit for a show like that

[00:40:03] and I've seen many at great player just rat with nerves you know trying to deal with it but you do

[00:40:08] look at players now and you think yeah yeah I think they'd be good and you often look for characters

[00:40:12] you know because you want that on a show like that it's calling the game as one thing but you

[00:40:16] want someone's going to bounce off the other three people in the studio so I was thinking about this

[00:40:20] I think I think Karl Walker he's got something about him I think he I think he'd be really good

[00:40:26] James Madison I don't know about you but whenever I see him being into he's always got something

[00:40:30] interesting to say and plenty of it you know he's not back when he coming forward James I think

[00:40:35] I think you'll definitely go well unless he wants to go to Madison when he finishes play I think

[00:40:39] he'll definitely be be one of the media core um from the WSL by the way Mary Eurps she's a character

[00:40:46] yeah and she she'd be good value I'd have to have an Everton player in there so Dominic Cal that

[00:40:51] Lewin speaks well I think he'd do a good job and my final one would be Jack Rielis

[00:40:58] because he always speaks so honestly you know openly he's always got something interesting to say

[00:41:03] you know a lot of players are it's the nature of the B star sort of media train to be an

[00:41:07] inch in their life these days but he always comes up with something interesting you can tell

[00:41:11] he speaks openly speaks you know from the heart doesn't he and also you can also tell

[00:41:15] he likes a party as we've seen the last two years with the celebrations so you know end of season

[00:41:20] or Christmas so it's like a special party I think he'd be very good value at those so yeah get

[00:41:25] greedy in the studio when he hangs up his boots yeah yeah definitely I think he'd be yeah very

[00:41:31] very good value and like you said there's not much filter there is there which is which is

[00:41:35] yeah well we don't have a dump button in like do they obviously so have to be a little bit careful but

[00:41:39] no I think he'd be very good value yeah I do I do remember one or two one or two those making

[00:41:44] make it onto air if people people swearing on halum fm that was yeah you have to be pretty quick

[00:41:49] on the bottom there don't you I think we had a couple on the phone in didn't we the rating more

[00:41:53] slate him the phone in we used to do use whether if he's passionate fans getting i rate and uh

[00:41:57] got drop on the old word they shouldn't do say yeah luckily you have that dump button for people

[00:42:00] don't know means that you're actually just a few seconds behind what you're hearing on the

[00:42:04] radio and you're able to press this dump button which stops and then restarts the recordings so

[00:42:09] yeah it's very clever way of making sure you're not going to get in trouble with off-con

[00:42:14] and I'm going to give you the opportunity to take a game with you a room 101 game really

[00:42:18] is there a game that you can think of that you want to delete from the history books you've

[00:42:22] the chance to take it with you on the island what would you go for yeah I don't think about this

[00:42:26] it's not a game that I had a particular impact in terms of the outcome of a season or

[00:42:30] other thing like that or but it isn't ever some game again sorry to we keep shooting my beloved

[00:42:34] blues and it comes down to this you know being on air as an everson fan but having to be professional

[00:42:40] when I'm on soccer special I it's one of those shows where I play on it a little bit more

[00:42:44] with the punks and stuff but when I'm in Skyscores news presenter mode you've been more more of an

[00:42:49] anchored you know a newsreader at the time so I try and sort of be a bit more straight down the

[00:42:54] line and many years ago I was on air updating the Mersey side derby back in 2016 and I was on

[00:43:01] air me and the studio alongside my good friend Vicki Gommasal it was a big Liverpool fan and

[00:43:06] the guest for the game they booked a former Liverpool player and fan Mickey Quinn so I was sat

[00:43:14] there outnumbered on air while the goals were raining in to our goal where it where it

[00:43:21] sent off as well in the second half we lost four nil finished the game with ten men and I had

[00:43:26] Vicki and Mickey in my ear the whole night but of course I was trying to be professional and

[00:43:32] just brush it off and just grin and bear it I remember I can still hear Mickey's voice when they

[00:43:38] scored their fourth and he just let's do it it's four jails but I can still hear him saying that

[00:43:45] and I wish that night had never ever happened we've had some painful defeats against Liverpool but

[00:43:49] that one being on air surrounded by two reds was one I wish had never ever happened

[00:43:55] the combination of having to experience the ban from your mates when they're thrashing your team

[00:44:00] and having to do your job at the same time correct yeah correct horrible horrible fair play is it's

[00:44:06] gone we've got rid of it and the final question we're going to give you a football to take to

[00:44:11] dessert at Ireland you have potentially all attorney to recreate one Premier League goal what would

[00:44:18] you go for? Well I've got two for you because one of the ones never did go as well but he got

[00:44:24] something different this time my every single goal is Wayne Rooney you know 16-year-old the goal

[00:44:28] announced in first on to the scene against Arsenal first ever Premier League goal that he scored and

[00:44:34] we all can picture the the whip he put on the ball to get it over David Sieben in off the bar so I'd

[00:44:39] like to practice that on the beach but actually I think people sometimes forget the ball that came

[00:44:42] over the top the way he popped it out of the air he cushioned it in turn and then whipped it over

[00:44:47] Sieben into the into the top corner so yeah that would give me a bit of time to practice that

[00:44:50] I'm a cushioned the ball and then I would get over the wall but the goal that I would love to

[00:44:55] try and recreate what one I'm on that dessert islands the rest of the days is remember Tony Yaboa he

[00:45:01] scored a few crackers but I'm going to say the one he scored for Leeds against Wimbledon in 1995

[00:45:07] the one reason I've gone for this one is because it was him wrong the dessert island at this point how

[00:45:11] yeah yeah yeah so it's it's soundly so it's hard to run with the ball isn't it but that goal he scored

[00:45:17] the ball spent most of the time in the air don't you remember chest thigh couple of touches on the

[00:45:23] ground and then bang in off the bar one of the best goals ever seen in the Premier League and it

[00:45:28] hard to touch the floor so it's nice and easy on the sound isn't it so yeah that's the one I would

[00:45:32] I'd be practicing Tony Yaboa absolute thunderbolt in 1995 I love how not only you pick the goal you

[00:45:39] thought the ergonomics behind it as well that's absolutely fantastic which also is a pleasure

[00:45:46] speaking to you obviously we will be seeing lots more you on sky sports what are your hopes

[00:45:52] for the for the new season are you as we enter towards 23 24 kind of what are you are we do you

[00:45:58] think we're going to see another season where Manchester City are dominant it's going so

[00:46:03] interesting isn't it I mean I know Arsenal were brilliant last season and just fell away at the end

[00:46:07] but I say fell away I mean City was just relentless weren't they towards the end of the season

[00:46:10] chasing the treble so it's going to be really interesting to see how the others react you know

[00:46:15] Chelsea I think will be better under the potterty you know whether they'll be able to challenge

[00:46:18] I don't think we're challenging for the title but they'll be back up there new castle we'll have

[00:46:22] Europe to contend with but we'll need to strengthen them we're brilliant last season Arsenal

[00:46:26] will they get decked on rice as we speak there and City are going for him you know well they'll

[00:46:31] be able to be even better next season having got so close Liverpool will surely be better and we'll surely

[00:46:36] strengthen that midfield this this summer it's going to be so so interesting to see what happens

[00:46:42] I think as long as Peck's at Manchester City I think the Caldera of a player they've got and if

[00:46:46] they can keep signing players and adding those to the equation in the Leveloss Gundawurnum will

[00:46:51] maybe seven or a couple of others the financial might they have and the squad they've got you know

[00:46:56] they can put out two elements that would be in the top two or three can't let it space it

[00:47:00] so I think as long as that's the case and as long as Guardiola is still there I suspect

[00:47:04] that Donations going to carry on for a couple more years but it is good it was good to see last season

[00:47:08] you know a new a new name on the blocking Arsenal coming back and giving it a good go

[00:47:13] so I expect City to win it again but my hope is that maybe we have three or four teams in it

[00:47:18] really going for it this season and my overwhelming hope is that everything finished

[00:47:23] elements I'd love to finish 11th car man City top of the top of the top of the bottom

[00:47:31] off the table we'll have that thank you so much for joining me today thanks for having

[00:47:37] car great to see you again cheers

[00:47:42] so that was Jules what a top bloke I worked with Jules back at the Polymer Tham way back

[00:47:49] in my university days he really did give me and lots of other people a start really he was

[00:47:57] such a great mentor really really generous guy it's fantastic to see how well his career has gone

[00:48:04] and he just goes from strength to strength and one of my earlier episodes actually with Joe

[00:48:09] Rorcent some of the other night as it happens came to a gig of mine Joe Rorcent was also kind of

[00:48:15] under the mentorship of Jules and is now at Sky Sports himself as well so if you're enjoying

[00:48:20] today's episode it getting into sports journalism is one of the reasons perhaps you are listening

[00:48:24] or watching today Joe Rorcent's episode is also really really useful I'd recommend going back

[00:48:31] and finding that one next week show is a former Premier League star one of the most recognizable

[00:48:40] faces of the night is actually as it happens albeit perhaps unintentionally Jason Lee he talks about

[00:48:47] his rise up through the ranks up the football league ladder he hits form in the Premier League which

[00:48:53] draws him to the attention of the deal and skinner and fantasy football and kind of the infamous sketch

[00:48:59] and he talks about that in a great deal of detail the impact that had on his line and his entire career

[00:49:06] still to this day nearly 30 years on he's still something that comes off and where that's taken him

[00:49:13] in his career it's a really interesting chat he's such an articulate guy really considered in

[00:49:19] and generous in his kind of review of the things that happened to him which really were very

[00:49:26] very difficult at a time when supporting football wasn't anywhere near to level it is now

[00:49:31] that is coming next week I hope you'll hang around in the meantime please leave the

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