The Mysteries of The Paranormal World! With KevinParanormal! Ep.148!

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[00:00:40] Alright then guys, welcome back into The Spooky Shed Podcast, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary and of course spooky. Tonight with me I have got Angel Hitman who is a paranormal investigator, so Angel Hitman, welcome into The Shed, mate. How's it going? Good, Liam. How are you, bud? Good, good, good. I'm not too bad. I guess, like I was saying earlier, it's... I've gone back to British weather now. It's rained all day and it's been miserable and I'm happy about it. I wish we had that here. It is so hot here where I live. It is so muggy and it's so humid.

[00:01:10] It actually is so difficult to breathe outside. It's about 92 degrees Fahrenheit here, 33 degrees Celsius. So, really hot here and it's way hot. I just cannot wait for the winter to get here. I just need the cold weather. I need just something, some kind of relief from the weather outside. Yeah, I'm completely on your side there. Anything above 20 degrees Celsius and I'm just, I'm staying inside. Yeah, same. It's ridiculous.

[00:01:39] Right then, mate. So, I'm pretty sure you know about this, but I always get all my guests to leave something in the shed with me. That's how we start things off. So, it can be literally anything you want, a person, a place, a feeling, a thing. Ideally, the weirder the better, but it doesn't have to be weird. It can be literally anything you want. So, what have you got for me? Well, my first answer was going to be Sabrina Carpenter, but I think my wife is going to be watching this episode. So, I'm going to change my answer and I'm going to go with a fresh pack of 24 pack of AA batteries.

[00:02:07] I think she'll be a lot happier with that answer. So, we're going to go with that. Fair enough. Two very, very different things. Yes, very different. Why batteries though? Well, you know, from just investigating, I feel like just whenever I go to these places, it's just my equipment that is powered by these batteries. I feel like it just drains so quickly.

[00:02:33] The most recent example, I investigated the Warren's Occult Museum up in Connecticut. I investigated there pretty recently. And, you know, I went out in the morning just to prepare for everything. Made sure all my stuff was charged and everything. Went out to CBS. Bought a fresh pack of 24 pack of batteries. You know, Duracell. You know, really good quality brand batteries. Bring it there. You know, I make sure all the battery's good. Put new batteries in. All my pieces of equipment. I go up there. Drive there. As I'm unloading everything, making sure everything works.

[00:03:03] I turn on one of my voice recorders. It's going for maybe a couple seconds. And next thing I know, this thing just powers down and shuts off. And I'm like, oh, that's weird. Like, let me double check this. Let me make sure that the batteries are in right. Made sure they're in right. Made sure they weren't upside down or anything like that. So I'm like, all right. I put it back in again. Try it again. Same thing. It died within maybe three seconds. I said, oh, that's weird. So I open up the new pack of batteries. I put a fresh new pair in. I throw the old pair out. Put new fresh pair in.

[00:03:33] Same thing happens. It just dies within, like, not even a minute of powering up. And I'm like, that's really weird. I think I went through maybe three pairs of batteries until finally it was just good to go. And I'm like, all right, cool. But that was the only issue I had. I thought that was so strange. And then just, you know, just with other investigations, not even the Warren's house, but just other investigations in general. I just feel like I just burned through batteries just nonstop.

[00:04:00] You know, it's just, you know, it's worth its weight in gold. A fresh pair of batteries. It's worth its weight in gold for all the pieces of equipment that I have. So, yeah, we're going to go with that to leave in the shed tonight. Let's do that. That's a great answer. And I think all the people who come to the shed, I think they'll appreciate that, too. Other investigators, I think they'll appreciate, you know, a fresh pack of batteries waiting for them. Definitely, definitely. Yeah. It is a good shout, to be fair.

[00:04:27] I mean, I've started to wheel away from anything that needs batteries apart from everybody, torches. But I have got a few ones that you charge up now in there. But I mean, some of that stuff still just drains for no... Right. Yeah. I mean, like video cameras and stuff. But I have, you know, I feel like they drain so quickly. So, I'll just bring multiple pairs of batteries with me. And hopefully, they'll last me through the night. But I feel like even then, then you have to try to find an outlet or a portable charger, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:57] It's just batteries are worth its weight in gold. So, you know, that's what I'm going to leave. Nice. Nice. I like it. I like it. Right then, man. So, take me back to the beginning then. So, where does your interest into the paranormal and ghosts and all the weird and wonderful stuff in this world? Where does that all start for you? So, it's going to be pretty cliche because I feel like everybody says that they start off with their first foray into the paranormal when they're very young. I mean, I'm no different.

[00:05:27] My first ever paranormal experience is when I was a little kid, you know, back in the 90s. Specifically on my birthday, you know, we used to have birthdays outside when I was over at my parents' house. And every birthday I had without fail, it's either insanely hot outside or it's torrential downpour. June weather here just kind of makes no sense. It could be, especially the state that I live in, it's just, it can go either way. And, you know, so it's either very hot or torrential downpour.

[00:05:57] And this birthday was no different. So, it started off very hot and then it torrential downpoured later in the day. But anyway, to fast forward a little bit, I used to have this castle, not like a huge castle, but it was like a little tykes castle. Back in the 90s, there were like little playhouses that you used to be able to go into and stuff. You know, I had a bunch of friends over and everything. And the sky started darkening really quick and we were all going inside to head in for cake.

[00:06:24] So, I go inside ready to go get a piece of cake or whatever to celebrate, blow out the candles, everything like that. And I realized I forgot something in this play castle. So, I said to my mom, oh, I'm going to run out. I forgot. I think it was like a toy or something like that, one of those things. So, I said, I'm going to run out. I'm going to grab this real quick and I'm coming back. So, I remember I was the only person outside. I go out through my backyard. I go into this play castle. Sure enough, the toy was there on the ground or whatever.

[00:06:50] So, I go back out through the door of this play castle and there's a man standing off to my right. And I, you know, I thought at the time he was a party guest, you know, but I'd never seen this guy before. He was wearing like a very brown suit, very old-fashioned. And I remember him saying to me, he's like, oh, well, you better head inside. It's about to rain soon. So, I said, oh, thank you. I didn't think anything of it. So, I just went inside. And as soon as I got inside, it started just like the heavens opened up and started pouring.

[00:07:19] And I said to my mom, I said, oh, well, the man was outside. He told me it was going to rain. She goes, what man? So, I described him. She goes, there's nobody here that's like that or you must be imagining things. But that always stuck with me ever since I was like a little kid. And it was just something that I could never explain or anything. So, maybe it was a ghost. Was it a guardian angel? So, I don't know. But I feel like that kind of opened up my mind a little bit into more of a spiritual sense and a more paranormal sense.

[00:07:47] And, you know, it kind of got my interest started. You know, I started looking up ghost books in my school library. When we had computer lab at my elementary school, you know, instead of doing my math work, I would be on ghostweb.com looking up pictures of spirits and orbs and EVPs. Sorry, mom and dad. That's probably what I was doing.

[00:08:10] So, I feel like ever since that point when I was a little kid, I feel like I'd just been very, very, very interested in the paranormal ever since that experience. Can you remember how old you were then? Maybe I was, I had to be like maybe six, maybe seven, seven years old. That's not a reference, by the way. It's not six, seven. I probably, you know, we're going to say I was probably about six years old. I remember I was in elementary school then. I was very young.

[00:08:39] And I was, I had to be small because I was in this, you know, like this little tyke's castle. Yeah, yeah. You know, so I was, I would probably say I was six. Yeah, because that's, it's usually around five or six when, like you say, when, because I mean, I never really believe anybody, because I've had people before tell me that they can remember when they were like two years old and stuff. And I'm like, no, you can't. Yeah.

[00:09:03] I, you know, I, I, I, you know, I, I probably say like my first solid memory was probably when I was like five years old and it was riding a bike through the park near my parents' house. And that's probably the oldest memory that I have. Yeah. You know, and that was when I was about five, you know? So if I had memory that going back to two or three years old, I'd be very impressed with myself, you know? Yeah. So, so, but like I said, a lot of people have told me, like I say, very, very similar stories. And they say very similar ages.

[00:09:33] Mine is the same. I think, I think I've literally spoke to one person who's like, I said, that, that isn't their answer. You know, it started when they were a kid. It started later on in life. That, I think that's literally happened once in however many people I've spoken to. Right. Right. That age five or six. Cause like I said, that, that's usually where you're, you're certainly, it's certainly a stronger earliest memories are. But then a lot, a lot of mediums have told me that usually as well, that's when, cause a lot of mediums I've spoken to have told me that everybody's born with all these abilities and stuff.

[00:10:02] And then it's, it's that age when you sort, when the majority of people like lose them or, you know, start to ignore them and stuff. So I always like, I always like to ask people that just to see if things, and again, more often than not the dudes, there's been a few people that have told me when things have happened when they're teenagers and stuff, which is always different. But I always like to ask people that because just, just to me, it gives more, like almost, almost a bit like credibility in people's stories. Right.

[00:10:33] You know, you know what I mean? When, and when people's like sick, when it lines up, like, you know, timelines, ages and all that sort of stuff. Right. Exactly. So what, what's funny for me is because when I, when I became a teenager, I had a very strong skeptical phase.

[00:10:51] So when you, when you became more of a teenager and stuff, and like you say, like, well, high school for you and stuff, because it's, I mean, especially, especially back then, like you said, like in the nineties and like early two thousand stuff. It was sort of, I don't know. It was sort of, it wasn't, it certainly wasn't as popular as it was now. So. Right. Like how, how did you deal with it then? Like as a teenager and stuff, were you, were you still as much into it?

[00:11:19] You still do looking into things as much or did you sort of. Yeah. You know, even, even as a teenager, you know, I wasn't actively investigating when I was a teenager. I obviously, I got more into that, you know, when I was an adult because, you know, I had a job. And I was able to support myself by equipment. Ghost equipment is so expensive, like incredibly expensive. And, you know, I was a poor teenager. I didn't have a job in high school or anything. My job was to go to school, study and everything like that.

[00:11:45] But, you know, I had a very big interest in paranormal, even as a teenager. Like, I mean, I used to watch ghost adventures, you know, every night growing up as a kid. And, um, uh, haunting was another great show of us. Me and my dad used to watch that show. I know. A haunting? Yeah. It's, it's really good. It's just, um, you know, a couple of people go on, they, they talk about paranormal experiences, usually either a haunted house or haunted objects that usually, usually has more of a darker side.

[00:12:13] Usually the things end up being negative energy associated or like demonic in nature. Um, it's very entertaining. Um, I actually investigated with one of the girls who was on an episode of a haunting. Um, she had, yeah, she had a, um, a doll that was demonically possessed. And, um, yeah, I investigated with her. We went to one location. We did a two day investigation. Um, a lady by the name of Mary Jo Chudley.

[00:12:41] And, um, she had this doll that was, I forget what they were named Gretchen and, um, I forget what the other doll's name was, but Gretchen wasn't the evil one. Gretchen was actually like the, the, the good spirited one. The other one, I who I'm blanking on the name right now. That one is apparently just encased away in a separate location. Um, but yeah, that doll gained so much, um, notoriety that they actually a haunting filmed,

[00:13:11] um, filmed her story on there, which I thought was really cool. And it was cool later on in life to be like, I remember watching that episode and be like, oh man, I, you know, I, now I know this lady, I investigated with her, which is pretty cool. Um, but yeah, very cool. Very, but yeah, I used to watch all those shows, you know, even as a teenager. And like I said, it wasn't until I was more financially stable that I actually started investigating and going out to places and, and, uh, you know, really jumping into it, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:41] Yeah. I'll, I'll have to try and see if I can find any episodes of that somewhere. Cause I've not, I've not heard of that one. The only, the only sort of show like ghost adventures and stuff that we had over here was called, uh, most haunted, which was, which was really, really good when it first started. Like the first, I mean, God, I think, I think there's about 20 odd seasons of it and say for the first seven or eight, it was insanely good. But then they got found out for faking some stuff.

[00:14:09] So it's all credibility went downhill. I mean, it was still, it was still entertaining. Exactly. And I still watched it, but it was just sort of, yeah. Yeah. It didn't feel the same anymore. Especially if they found that right. Exactly. Especially if they're found out like they're, you know, faking stuff. I call it faking the fun, you know? And yeah, and I kind of, that would put a sour taste in my mouth, you know, personally. It was a ghost adventures too. Like, you know, it's. It's such a good show.

[00:14:39] Yeah. No, yeah, no, I believe it. Sometimes we just need like entertaining stuff to, you know, be like, oh, well, this is pretty cool. You know, like. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So talk, so talk to me then about, about when you started actually getting into the investigation side of things. So I started investigating probably, you know, I'm not like too experienced in investigating.

[00:15:06] I probably started investigating probably about six years ago and the first place to actually fully investigate. And I didn't really have a lot of equipment either. I think all I had was a REM pod, dowsing rods. And I think I was using my phone as a voice recorder. And that was basically it. And me and my girlfriend at the time, who's now my wife, we investigated this place called the Fainting Goat Island in up in upstate New York.

[00:15:34] And, you know, it's a bed and breakfast, but it's been nominated, I believe, USA Today a couple of years in a row for being the most haunted bed and breakfast in the country. And my parents actually told me about that place. And my parents, you know, they're not really too into the paranormal. My dad likes it. He likes paranormal stuff. But he's like, if something's haunted, I don't want to know anything about it. Just don't tell me if you see something. Don't tell me just blissful ignorance. Like just like he's like, it's there. I don't want to know. Don't let me know.

[00:16:03] Don't tell me if something's there. I don't want to know. I just want to have a good on good vacation. That's it. So my parents actually told me about this place. They're like, oh, you'll love this place. There's a bunch of like, they rescue animals there. So they have like, you know, a bunch of goats who are fainting goats. Hence the name. Like if you scare them, their defense mechanism is just to faint. And that's it. So, you know, they rescue a bunch of them. They have a bunch of dogs that they rescued. Piggas ducks and everything.

[00:16:29] So my mom was like, oh, you would you and, you know, your girlfriend would love this place. They rescue a bunch of animals. And by the way, it's haunted. And I'm like, oh, animals and haunted stuff. Count me in. Let's go. So we drove up there. It's about four hours from where we live. And we drove up there, you know, obviously see all the animals, everything. Then we started investigating at night. We were the only people there.

[00:16:52] And for the limited amount of equipment that I had with the REM pod and the dowsing rods and even my phone, just leaving it on voice memo. We got a bunch of stuff, which was pretty cool. The REM pod was going off in one of the rooms down the hall. The dowsing rods would point to what room had activity in. It would do that, which I thought was pretty interesting.

[00:17:13] And then when I played everything back on my phone, I captured about four EDPs just from like a 12-minute session of just my phone just running. And you'd just be, you'd hear a voice that wasn't there when me and my wife were talking. Like it was very weird because I was like, whoa, this is weird. This is like the first ever pieces of evidence that I got from a place, you know. And I would always see it on TV growing up like EDPs and stuff and listening to them.

[00:17:41] But to actually get it yourself kind of puts things in perspective a little bit. It definitely changes your outlook. Like, whoa, I actually caught something. And I can't explain where this voice come from, you know. And you'll hear like a whisper or something. And then when you blow the whisper up in like audio enhancement programs, it actually forms like a word, which I'm like, whoa, that's really weird. Like we didn't hear this when we were actually recording. It's not until we actually played it back that we caught something.

[00:18:09] And it just changed my whole perspective on just the paranormal world. I'm like, wow, now I caught something. And now since I caught something, now my adrenaline is like, well, now I need to go out and I need to get more. So then I started like looking up places and researching places and like, oh, what other haunted place can I go to to try and gather evidence? And I think it just from ever since that trip, it kind of just snowballed my interest into the paranormal even further.

[00:18:33] And me, my wife, you know, and I could tell that she loves me because she hasn't divorced me yet because I bring her to all these crazy places. And, you know, she hasn't left me. So, you know, God bless her. She puts up a lot of my stuff with paranormal. I actually tried to get her to go to the Warren's house with me. And she goes, no, I'm pregnant. I don't want anything demonic. Like you go have fun. I'll stay here at the house. So, yeah, ever since that, we're doing about two weeks.

[00:19:00] So I really kind of slowed down on my investigation part a little bit. The focus on time with my family. But as soon as she's old enough and, you know, she's able to go like, I'm definitely want to bring my daughter with me. You know, when she's a little bit older, I think it'd be cool for her to experience. I'm going to teach her to be safe with it. But I think it would definitely be a very cool experience for not only her to experience, but just to even get back into with the next generation of paranormal investigators. You know, I think that'd be a great experience for her to have. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[00:19:30] It's something I want to do with my son as well once he's a bit older. Because to me, he, well, I've been told by a couple of people that, I mean, I'm no medium, so I don't really know what this means. But a few that I do know have told me that he is a natural born medium, whatever that means with me. I find that a bit confusing, especially when so many of us have told me that we're all born with these abilities. So eventually that means we're all natural born mediums. But yeah, that's just me.

[00:20:00] But he definitely sees things that I don't and all sorts of weird stuff. I have a great little story with him when, well, I know for a fact it was my grandad because I could feel it in the house. So he was, I was, I was baffing him and he was pointing at, he kept pointing at his bedroom door and he was like doing all the same like faces and gestures and stuff when he sees pictures of my grandad. So I was like, this, I was like, this is weird.

[00:20:26] So I started recording him, turned my phone around, started recording the bedroom door. And then when you watch the video back, when I pointed the bedroom door, the video just completely glitches out and the screen goes bright green. Oh, wow. That's wild. That's wild. That's a wild experience. But see that even, even stuff like that is so validating, you know, like it's, it's something that maybe you not have seen, but he saw. And when you turn around to go and record it, the fact that the phone glitched out and you know, like that's, that's validating to me.

[00:20:54] It's like, whoa, he actually witnessed something. He saw something, pointed it out to you. You went to go turn to try and get it and something glitches out. That's, that's wild. That is a wild story. Yeah. I say, I mean, I think all, I think all kids definitely a bit, a bit like cats and dogs, you know, they can, they can all, they can all say things that we can. So I mean, I will say that that's one thing to look for the feet to look forward to. Yeah.

[00:21:19] Well, my wife always said, she goes, you know, I'm going to be waking you up or calling you while you're at work. If, if our daughter just comes into my room saying, oh, the man is talking to me at night. And then, you know, she's like, that's going to be, that's going to be your, your problem, not mine. So I said, all right, you know, I, I accept that fully. Yeah. That's going to be my, that'll be my thing to deal with. No doubt. Once, uh, once, once he starts talking properly. Yeah. That's going to be fun.

[00:21:53] Talk to me about some of the, some of your favorite places that you've investigated. Oh man. All right. So the place that sticks out in my mind the most, it's the Shanley hotel and that's located up in Napanoc, New York. Um, not the Stanley hotel, which is over in Colorado, but the Shanley hotel in Napanoc, New York. Some people get that confused, but, um, the Shanley used to be, is a hotel. Like I said, upstate New York.

[00:22:20] And that has something like, I believe they said 40 something spirits in that hotel. But my wife and I, we went, we actually saw a video on YouTube and, uh, Elton Castee and Corey share, um, actually went and investigated this place. And they had so much activity on that video, whether it's YouTube magic, whether they actually had paranormal experiences, you know, up for debate. You know, I myself am a paranormal investigator.

[00:22:48] I consider myself paranormal investigator, but I will also say that I'm also a healthy skeptic when it comes to stuff. Like, I believe our job as paranormal investigators is to basically gather evidence, but also to try and figure it out. If that evidence is valid, you know, there's, I like to say there's two sides of the spectrum. There's either somebody who believes that everything is paranormal, like a pen can drop on the floor and be like, Oh my God, a ghost caused it.

[00:23:18] Or, and then you have the opposite side of the spectrum where it's like, you can have apparitions, you can have stuff flying across the rooms, chairs sliding across doors, slamming everything like that. And people are like, yeah, that's, that's not real. Like, and I'm like, what is this? So I, you know, I think having a healthy amount of skepticism and a healthy enough of belief, I believe that's the perfect middle ground for every paranormal investigator.

[00:23:45] I believe that we have to have a certain kind of threshold of whether, you know, of debunking something or validating something, you know, I believe. But anyway, so we went to this location, me and her, we went there like, Oh man, like they had such crazy activity. And I believe Sam and Colby went there as well. They had such crazy activity. We went to this place and the activity was off the wall. It was insane. So, you know, they bring you on a tour and everything.

[00:24:15] They kind of tell you about the hotel a little bit. You know, it was a bunch of people who died. It's very old. You know, it burned down to the ground once they rebuilt it. More people died in the hotel. People soon committed suicide. People got murdered the whole shebang, you know, but after the tour, they let you investigate the hotel by yourself. So at the time, you know, I gathered a little bit more money, you know, because I was like after experiencing the fainting goat, I was like, wow, I have to really get into this. So I'm going to invest.

[00:24:43] And she, at the time just bought me an SLS camera. Cause I, like I said, I saw it on ghost adventures and I'm like, wow, that is such a cool piece of equipment to have. I need to have it. So she went out, bought it for me and I still use it to this day. It's a great piece of equipment, but you know, it does have its faults, but so you have to, like I said, you have to do your due diligence. You know, because it can present false positives or anything, but you have to, you know, there's ways to kind of tell that, you know, if something is legitimate or something is, isn't.

[00:25:13] So I had a bunch of equipment. I was setting everything up and another girl happened to join us from Staten Island. She goes, you guys look like, you know, we're doing, I'm going to tag along with you. I'm like, all right, cool. So we just picked up like a stray person. We're like investigating. So one portion of the hotel, if you go into the hotel and you go upstairs, that portion way back in the early 1900s used to be a brothel. So there was ladies of the evening who used to be working up there. So I go, I set up my camera. I hand it up.

[00:25:43] I hand it over to my girlfriend and I say to her, I'm going to go into this room and I'm going to sit down on this bed. And she goes, okay. And we had a spirit box going in the background. So the cool thing with this place is that they kind of lend you equipment too. So there's a spirit box that's playing in the background. So we're not really getting anything yet.

[00:26:04] And I say, hey, you know, if I put money in this tip jar, I said, can't you appear for us on the SLS camera? So we're like, you hear a voice just come through a female's voice come through a spirit box. You hear, okay. So I'm like, all right, that's weird. So at this point, the other girl starts recording. She was like, oh, that's weird. That's a clear response. So she starts recording on her phone and is actively filming the screen on the SLS.

[00:26:35] So there, I said, I said, Anna, who is the spirit's name? I said, I have money for you. I'm going to leave it on in your tip jar. So we're talking about the money that I'm going to leave and everything like that. You see a figure appear and then disappears. She shoots off into the side. So after we're joking about it, you hear clear as day, you hear a female's voice go, my 20.

[00:26:59] And sure enough, I pulled a $20 bill out of my pocket, left it in the tip jar, and it actually said the correct denomination of the amount of money that I left. And everybody's freaking out at this point. They're like, oh, my God, I can't believe this. My wife is freaking out. This other girl's freaking out. I'm laughing because I'm like, this is crazy. And they're filming it. And then all of a sudden, the SLS camera shuts off. It's just fully charged. It shuts off. And we're like, that was so weird.

[00:27:26] But definitely one of the coolest experiences I had at the Shanley. Also, another Shanley story. We actually went, not my wife. My wife had work so she couldn't take off. But I was at an event at the Shanley Hotel called the World's Largest Ghost Hunt. It takes place in October. And usually around the world, around the set time, everybody simultaneously starts investigating various paranormal places across the world. So they said about everything.

[00:27:56] So I was investigating with a gentleman called Scotty, the New Jersey medium. He's pretty famous on TikTok, has a substantial following. But he was there for this event, this World's Largest Ghost of the House. So, you know, we're there with a bunch of people and everything. And again, I have my SLS camera because that's my favorite piece of equipment. But there was a guy, a gentleman in our group who was that he basically gave permission to the spirits. He's like, oh, you know, I give permission for things to touch me, grab me, whatever.

[00:28:26] And I'm like saying to myself, like, dude, you're crazy. I would never do that. Like, absolutely not. But you do you. I won't do that. Nothing can touch me. I don't want, you know, you do you. So we're in this room. It's called the Gentleman's Quarters. And it's like, it's a bedroom. People sleep there and stuff. And, you know, we set up everything. There's another girl in the room with us. And she's running the Estes method. And for those of you who don't know, Estes method is kind of like, you have noise cancelling headphones on, have the SpearBots attached to it.

[00:28:56] It just cycles through AM, FM, band radios. You just kind of hear static. And if a voice comes through, you're supposed to say whatever voice you hear, whatever word you hear. Because it might prove an intelligent response for what's going through. So she has no idea what's going on. She has headphones in. She can't hear anything. She has a blindfold on. So she can't see anything. But, you know, she can obviously like feel stuff around, you know, everything like that. So keep that in mind.

[00:29:24] So Scotty is asking questions. And this guy is sitting down in the chair in front of me. I have the SLS camera on him. And all of a sudden, I see a little stick figure pop up next to him. I said, whoa, that's weird. And this thing starts touching him like on the side. And he goes, oh, this is weird. He's like, I feel my arm burning. We're like, what? So he goes to touch it. The stick figure disappears.

[00:29:51] And mind you, I'm watching this guy the entire time through the SLS camera. I'm watching him like a hawk. You know, so at no point did he touch himself, like scratch himself or anything. This guy lifts up his shirt and he has three scratch marks going down his arm. And I'm like, how did that happen there? I was like, how did this happen? So we're like, Scotty, the other investigator, he's like, that's weird.

[00:30:18] He's like, I wonder, like, what is doing this to him? So we're asking more questions. And the stick figure reappears on the opposite side of him this time. And it's just still doing the same thing, just touching him. And he's like, now I feel my other arm burning. He lifts up that arm, three more scratch marks across his arm. And I'm like, whoa, this is weird. So now I'm kind of getting freaked out because I'm like, how is this guy getting scratched all the time? So this guy ends up getting scratched maybe two more times.

[00:30:46] And this girl who's running the Estes experiment, you know, I'm also watching her like she's in my peripheral and Scotty's right next door. But all of a sudden she mutters, danger, you're next. The only two words she's uttered the entire time during this Estes experiment. And then out of nowhere, she says, my neck is burning. So we're like, what? We pan over to her. And sure enough, now she has three scratch marks across her neck like this.

[00:31:15] And to the point where it's now sort of bleeding. So this whatever thing that was in this scratched her so much, now it actually drew blood. So now I'm like, this thing is not good, whatever this is. And we were freaked out. And we were Scotty at the time was on, I believe, TikTok live or Instagram live. So it's out there somewhere on the Internet. But it was this happened all live.

[00:31:41] Definitely, probably one of the scariest experiences I've ever had investigating. Because I never seen so many people get just get scratched simultaneously, like pretty much consistently, like in a row. Never seen anything like that. I never experienced anything like that again. But definitely I was like, this is wild. It's all fun and games. Listen, I have a blast investigating places. You get such an adrenaline rush.

[00:32:09] But then, you know, that kind of put things in perspective. I'm like, whoa, okay. You have to be careful doing this because there is, you know, like in real life, there is good and there is bad. And, you know, you have to just kind of protect yourself. And, you know, for example, like I will never go and investigate a place by myself. You know, I'll make sure I'm in good state of mind before I investigate. If I get tired during the investigation, I'll just stop.

[00:32:36] You know, like I don't, you know, I try to take all proper precautions going into a place. But that really put things into perspective for me of like there is evil beings, spirits or whatever you may call it. That was the scariest moment I probably saw. And that was that will forever stay with me. But yeah, that was the Shanley Hotel probably number one, number two moments for me investigating. But then I go to other places too and then nothing will happen the entire night. And I'm like, oh, okay.

[00:33:05] Well, at least I had fun staying here, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is absolutely crazy. I mean, when you were telling that there, I mean, I still have a little bit now. I got proper, proper goosebumps there. So that is, that is crazy. Like the whole time you were telling that story, I was literally getting goosebumps all over the place. That was, that was weird.

[00:33:31] And it's funny because I was having a similar conversation to this with somebody the other day. And it's how certain people will say like, oh, you know, ghosts, ghosts can't hurt you. Ghosts can't do anything to you. They definitely can. Oh, they definitely, they definitely can. If you were messing with the wrong thing, it could definitely hurt you. And that's why I tell people who ever get into investigating. I said, it's fun, but you have to take proper precautions when you do it because you don't know what you're talking to.

[00:34:00] You don't know what you're messing with. Especially in, you know, I tell people like never provoke anything. You know, they are on another plane than us. They can do, they can go to, you know, they have way more abilities than us humans can do. You know, seeing someone get scratched like that, it literally looks like claw marks. And I have it on my phone, like of all the marks of this guy.

[00:34:23] It literally looks like an animal took three claw marks and just went down this guy's arms and his chest, his neck, everything. It was so crazy. And I show people that and they're like, that is insane. And, um, yeah, we, we, we eventually figured out that he had an attachment because this guy, he went to, I think it was, um, some kind of asylum. I think maybe the trans Allegheny or something like that.

[00:34:53] Yeah. I think something followed him back from that location and this thing wasn't good, whatever it was. But yeah, something, somebody getting scratched literally a count of six times. And this all happened like under an hour, by the way. So this wild, wild experience for me, probably the most scariest, most wild experience I've ever had personally thus far. Yeah, definitely.

[00:35:18] I mean, I don't, I can't, I can't really think of too many things that are going to top that either really, apart from like, I don't know, apart from, I don't know, like full on demon showing itself sort of thing. I don't know. But I mean, yeah, that, that is, that's just crazy. Like I've got, I've got, I've got no words for that. But like I say, I always, I've, I've said this a few times now and it's, it's never to, it's never to discredit anybody else that I've had, that I've had on the show.

[00:35:48] Because anybody who comes on and wants to tell the story, I'll always, I'll always, I'll always believe them. I'll always listen to them. And I always, you know, respectfully and stuff. But I always, I always find the stories that give me goosebumps and chills a lot more. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to say credible because I don't want to make out like people have come on here and lied. But do you know what I'm trying to say? Does that make sense? Right, exactly. Yes. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:12] It's, it's so weird, especially because we were on, like I said, it was TikTok live or Instagram with, I was investigated with a well-known investigator. And the fact that this all happened on a live and other people were watching it was so bonkers to me. Yeah. That this was actually happening in front of everything. If I could find the video somewhere on the internet, I'll send it to you. But very weird experience and definitely probably the most scariest experience I've had.

[00:36:42] I haven't had any experience that would probably top that since then. That was probably maybe about, maybe about four years ago, probably going on. But very, very wild experience. But the Shanley has always been my favorite go-to location. I love it. I love the people that run it there. I think it's so cool. I think the venue has a lot of history and they don't fake anything either. Which, you know, which is great. You know, they don't fake the fun, as I like to call it, you know.

[00:37:11] And whatever you get is whatever you get. There's been nights where I've had that, where activity is off the wall. And then some other nights I'm like, well, you know, nothing happens. It's still had a great time regardless. But, you know, it's just, I think it's up to the spirits ultimately if they want to, you know, show activity. You know, I can't force them to do stuff, you know. Yeah.

[00:37:34] That's why I always think for investigators, it's really important to investigate the same place, like, you know, a good few times, several times even. Right. Because, like, I have and there's been places where I've been and, like you say, it's like, you know, off the chart stuff happening, you know, all sorts of stuff every five minutes. But, you know, you know what I'm saying. There's a lot of activity and then I can go back a couple of months later and literally nothing.

[00:38:04] Literally nothing. Exactly. And to me, again, that just makes it more credible. Like you say, if I went to a place, if I were to investigate a location, let's say I went five times and every single time it was like off the chart stuff, you know, things happening here, there and everywhere. I just feel like there's something not right here. It shouldn't be happening this often. Right. Exactly. And like I said, I'd be going to a location. There is another place down in New Jersey that I've went to.

[00:38:34] It's kind of near Atlantic City. It's called the Jonathan Pitney House. It's apparently supposed to be very haunted. Everything. My wife and I, we went. We're like, oh, you know, let's go for a weekend. We'll make a long weekend out of it. We'll go. We investigated. Nothing happened the entire time. We're like, well, you know, I guess maybe the ghosts didn't want to do anything. But, you know, just because I didn't get activity from a place doesn't mean, you know, I'm going to discredit the place saying, oh, that place is not haunted whatsoever.

[00:38:58] You know, I still believe that people did experience stuff at that location for them to say this place is haunted. But just because I didn't investigate her, I didn't experience anything per se. Yeah. Doesn't mean I'm going to say, you know, I have the end all be all ruling of saying that place isn't haunted. I still believe that place could potentially be haunted, but, you know, I will return there in the future to say, you know, maybe I'll get more more of an experience this time.

[00:39:27] Maybe I'll get some more activity, you know. But yeah, definitely. I agree with you 100 percent that people should investigate places multiple times. And I think that's a big thing, too. A lot of these shows and stuff, especially like Ghost Adventures, you know, the Hollywood magic of them just, you know, they edit everything perfectly to make it seem like they're only there one day and all this stuff is happening off the wall.

[00:39:52] And they're getting this crazy amount of activity when a reality that they're actually there for multiple days filming at a time to try and capture evidence of something happening at a location. And, you know, it's all editing everything to make it seem like it's all happening at one day. But in reality, it's multiple days of them filming. And then, you know, then they have to edit all the footage and put together everything and they splice everything together to make the appearance that is only happening at one day.

[00:40:21] You know, so it's a little bit of Hollywood match there as well, you know, which I think is great. I think it's really cool that people can do that. But, yeah, I mean, if you get experiences like like mine where stuff is happening like crazy, I mean, that's probably like a once in a lifetime thing of things happening like that. You know, I tell people if they ever get that much experience, like in one day and I'd be like, that's it. You got your experience. That's it. You're done.

[00:40:49] Like, don't go to any of the places because you might not have the same experience. But, you know, I always like when people have cool experiences like that because they're like, yeah, well, look what I got. You know, we all share, you know, pictures and recordings and everything. I think it's a great thing just for everybody just to kind of collaborate and share everything. It's definitely very cool. Yeah.

[00:41:10] Well, it's funny because I can sort of bring up a little TikTok video that I did recently about because I seen, I can't remember who it was, but they had a good size following on TikTok. No, the whole point of their video was that paranormal investigations are boring. And then so I made a video to it that it's not because like, whilst yes, a lot of it is sitting around waiting for something to happen.

[00:41:38] But like at times that can be the best part. Like you say, you're waiting for something to happen and you've got no idea what could happen. I mean, it could be something as little as, I don't know, something moves slightly on a table or a door might fly open or chairs might start flying across the room. Highly unlikely on the lap, but you never know. And like to me, that's what makes it so good.

[00:42:03] Like, and it's like you say then about, about obviously like say with the, with the TV shows and stuff and the editing, it's the same for like YouTube. Like, like, like my videos that I do, like I can be at a location for six, seven, eight hours. And then I was, you know, the footage evidence, if we'll call it that, that I get by the time I make a video of it, the video is 20, 25 minutes from like, you say from my eight hours. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:42:32] Well, yeah, it's just, I don't know. I just, I don't see how people can find it boring. No, I mean, I, I think even like you said, like, I think even sitting around and just even talking with everybody, I think that's great too. Cause then you can, you can share experiences and stuff. But like you said, a lot of it is a lot of the things that they don't show is you're waiting around. You're waiting to capture something. You're waiting for a piece of equipment to go off. You're waiting to hear something or, or see something.

[00:42:57] I think, I think Hollywood has a lot to do with that perception of like, I think they, everything, I think a lot of it is, um, people are going to experience like the conjuring first time they ever go into like a haunted house or anything like that. I think, you know, a lot of people have that, um, that bias that something is going to happen immediately. But a lot of it in reality is you're waiting around, you're waiting around to capture something. You're waiting around to do something.

[00:43:22] Um, you know, like I said, waiting for that, that perfect piece of evidence to go off, you know, you're, you're just waiting for it. And, um, yeah, but to actually call it boring. I mean, I mean, I, that that's not the right word for it. I don't think, you know, even just going to locations. I have a lot of his, like, I'm a big history nerd.

[00:43:43] So going to a lot of these places, like these old, old buildings and locations and stuff, there's just so much history behind all of that. You know, even just to even be in it. So my wife and I, we went down to Charleston, South Carolina, and we went down, they had a huge aircraft carrier called the USS Yorktown. And we did a ghost tour on there. We didn't actively investigate it, but you know, there is a ghost tour that's on there.

[00:44:08] And there is just so much history belonging to that ship and the stories that come out of that ship and the experiences that the, that the ghost, um, tour guide actually had on the ship. Incredible. I would love to investigate that ship one day if they ever allowed me to, if I was ever blessed enough to investigate it. But, um, you know, just even being in that location, I don't even have to actively investigate.

[00:44:32] Just enjoying the history and just being in the moment is enough for me to be a hundred percent satisfied, you know? Um, but you had to call it boring out, man. That's a wild. That's a wild thing. That was why I, that was why I had to make that video. Cause I was just like, I was like, if you think it's boring, then you, you, you, you're doing it wrong and you're doing it in the wrong places. Right. Exactly.

[00:44:57] Like more often than not, any, any place you go, any place you're going to do, do any sort of paranormal investigation. There's going to be some sort of history to it. Right. Exactly. Whether that good history or bad history, you know, it could, it could be either. So just like, just, just to, just, like you said, just visit these places is, I mean, for, for like, like yourself, for me, that's just good enough sometimes. And then if you actually get any activity, that's just a bonus really. Yeah, definitely. No, I agree with you a hundred percent on that. A hundred percent. Yeah.

[00:45:28] Right then. So you, you, you mentioned it earlier. Talk to me about the Warren's museum. Oh man. So that was, that was wild. So when, when I first saw that they were doing tickets for it, I was like, I told my wife, I said, let's go to it. And she goes, no, no, thank you. There's weird stuff in there. Like, absolutely not. Not my vibe. I'm pregnant. I can't go. I'm not going to put the baby at risk. And I said, okay, no problem. Can I go? She goes, you have my blessing. Mike, cool. Awesome. Awesome.

[00:45:56] So I contacted a bunch of, I could bring up to about eight people with me, including myself. So I had a large group of people go with me. So I had a couple of the people from the Shanley hotel who I investigated with multiple times and then some of their friends. And then maybe two, two or three of my friends, we went and we investigated. And first off, so cool.

[00:46:18] And then, you know, like, they had a large group of people who were doing this. And they were just like, wow. The paranormal world.

[00:46:47] The paranormal world, you know, but yeah, getting there, you know, and actually exploring the museum and seeing Annabelle and the fire doll and a bunch of other artifacts within the museum. Wild. Even stepping into the actual space itself where the museum is, you could just feel the energy just shift immediately from the rest of the house to that museum. You just, you stepped into that one particular part of that house and everything just got like heavy.

[00:47:16] You're just like, whoa, this is, this is something's off here. Like, this is wild. And we had a lot of, um, a lot of stuff on our equipment going off. A lot of, you know, we got a lot of EVPs there. Unfortunately, I'm not able to post everything from that museum.

[00:47:33] They actually made me sign kind of like a NDA a little bit, um, because they had, um, you know, if you're, if you remember over the summer, maybe not this summer, but less when Dan Rivera passed away, there was a rumor saying that, oh, Annabelle killed him because he brought him on tour. Yes. Yes. I remember that. That wasn't the case. He had apparently underlying health issues. Um, I'm not going to get into it, but he had underlying health issues and that was his cause of death.

[00:48:03] Annabelle didn't kill him or anything like that. But, um, yeah, it was, it's just wild to be in there. Like we just got so many, you know, and they made us sign that anyway, going back to it. Sorry. Kind of like bouncing around. My mind is going a million miles a minute, but, um, yeah, they made us sign another agreement.

[00:48:22] Like anything that we posted online, like, so like my, for example, my paranormal page had to be approved by their team to ensure that I wasn't kind of making up anything about that location or, or anything. Everything had to be clear with them because they wanted it to be respectful to the Warren's, not only the Warren's museum, but to their legacy as well, which I completely agree with.

[00:48:44] Um, but yeah, we, on my personal phone and stuff and all of my other, um, people that I went with their personal devices, we got a lot of cool EVPs. Um, some really cool videos of, of things going off within museum, like cat balls, REM pods, um, you know, um, EMFs, everything. We got a bunch of stuff.

[00:49:06] The EVPs were very cool because we actually got more activity within the actual Warren's house than the actual museum itself, which is crazy. Um, they have this downstairs area. You go to, they call it like a den, but apparently Ed used to discuss all parent, everything paranormal downstairs, nothing upstairs.

[00:49:29] So there was one particular area where they kind of designated for his team to talk about all their findings, um, all their investigations, everything. We had a lot of activity down there and then the room attached to it. Then actually in the actual museum where all the artifacts are and everything like that. Uh, we had a lot of EVPs down there. We heard footsteps wild. We would all be down there.

[00:49:55] We would hear, we would just hear things happening in the other room. It was, it was wild. It was a very wild experience, but unfortunately, like I said, I can't post anything from there because that all has to be approved. So in respect to them, um, you know, I'm not going to be like, ha ha. Well, now I have, I'm going to post it now. So, but yeah, so I had to do, I had actually assigned something for it, but still a cool experience regardless to actually be in there and be like next to Annabelle, which is, you know,

[00:50:23] the whole, the whole reason the conjuring series even came about, like she has such notoriety now, you know, whether you believe or not. I mean, that name, you hear that name, you just kind of instantly attribute to the film series. Yeah, definitely. You know, and to actually be there in person and be next to it, I thought was such a cool experience. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:48] I can imagine, I can imagine like, I've got to add, I still to this day don't know how I feel about them. Like, yeah. Like you said, like, like you said, I'll 100% give them the credit. Like I say, they're done, they're done a lot for the paranormal as a community and, and you know, and stuff like that. I 100% give them the credit for that because they fully deserve it. But I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[00:51:15] I'm, I'm skeptical of a, of a lot of things. Right. Regarding them, which I think, which I don't, I don't think is an unpopular opinion. I think, I think quite a few people do have that opinion, but I would, I would still love to go there again, just, well, not just to say that I've been there, but like you say, like you said, well, sort of, but like you say, it would, it would, I can't imagine that it's still very interesting. Oh, it's very, yeah. Like I said, it's very interesting.

[00:51:42] Like I said, yeah, it's, it's, you don't even have to, like I said, agree with them about their, about the, you know, the stuff they've done or anything like that. Just to even be there in the history of that place is such a cool experience. You know, I highly encourage like everybody to go check it out. I mean, you know, I mean, personally, I don't even think you have to even really be into ghosts or spirits. I think just to even go and check it out, just because I think it's a very interesting topic and very interesting things that are in there.

[00:52:13] I think that's, you know, such a cool takeaway from that, you know, whether you agree with them or not, I think that's a very cool thing to experience, you know? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. See, I kind of think that the Conjuring films, I haven't, haven't actually done them any favors, really. Oh, no. It's like, well, that's what I was telling my wife.

[00:52:37] So, like I said, I think as, as watching them as a film for entertainment value, I think, I think they're great. You know, I think they're great. But like I said, you know, like I said before, when I was talking, I think that because of not only those films, but, you know, other horror films in general that revolve around like ghosts and demons and everything.

[00:52:58] I think, I think it kind of just puts this kind of like a, what would you call it? I don't know. I guess a pre-exposed bias or like a kind of like a. It gives people higher expectations. Right. It gives them like a kind of like a higher expectation of like, oh, I'm going to go investigate. I want to see like doors slam shut in my face. I want to see stuff levitating off the floors.

[00:53:26] And I think like with just kind of like horror films in general that revolve around spirits and stuff. I think when people get into the paranormal investigation aspect of it, I think they think stuff like that's just going to happen right off the bat. You know, and well, because a lot of it is just waiting around, waiting for something to happen. You know, it's, it's very two different worlds, you know, the Hollywood and real life. So exactly, exactly.

[00:53:51] But I think the first Conjuring film, I think was good. Like I said, I did enjoy that one. And like, yeah, it was sort of, I mean, of course, you know, like I say, it's Hollywood. So they, they, they embellished some bits. Right. Oh yeah. Naturally, like say you sort of have to, but obviously like that, that's a case that the Warrens were involved with. It was the second one that really. Right. The one in England. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:20] The Enfield, because I mean, to me, the Enfield haunting was bollocks and didn't happen. It was right. I mean, that was just pure horse shit. Yep. And I'm pretty sure in reality, they were like involved with it for about an hour. Yeah. That's what I heard as well. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like the visited, they were there for an hour and then left and then nothing ever happened again. But obviously you watched the film. They're there for days. Days, days, days. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah.

[00:54:46] I think as like, like as, as just like a, a horror film, I would say, you know, solid horror film, you know, solid. I enjoyed, I enjoyed the series immensely. Like I thought they were great. I thought they were solid movies, but I think to actually take everything from it, like, obviously, like there is. I was embellished bits of it, you know? Yeah. And, uh, but like I said, they're, they're made to entertain people, you know? And I think, I think they accomplished their goal of entertaining people, you know? Yeah.

[00:55:16] A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. Right then, Matt. So I always like to ask people what the favorite bit of equipment is, but you've already told me it's the SLS camera. SLS. Yeah. What's your second favorite bit of equipment? Oh man. A second favorite one that I have or just in general that I've used. Just, just, just in general, just in general. Cause I like, I like the simple stuff. So like you say, I like your cat balls, your dowsing rods and stuff like that. I like the very simple low tech stuff, me.

[00:55:46] Oh man. So I, I have to go with this one because it's probably considered the Holy grail of EVP recorders, the Panasonic DR 60. I used one of those and that is such one of the coolest voice recorders I've ever done. Like, I feel like I just get so much stuff on there and just like using it, we'll just put the EVPs in general.

[00:56:09] I personally don't have it because I think I looked on eBay and it like, I think the cheapest one was about $5,000 and I need to prepare for a baby and I cannot spend $5,000 on a piece. I think my wife would probably strangle me in my sleep if I said, Hey, I bought this $5,000 piece of equipment. And she'd be like, you did what? But if I have the option to use it on an investigation, oh, I absolutely am taking them up on that. Like that is something, that's something that I always wanted to get.

[00:56:38] But like I said, in the, in the range of, of, uh, my budget in regards to paranormal equipment that is so far out there. Maybe if I win the lottery or something, maybe I'll consider getting it. But, um, oh yeah. If someone has it on there, I'd like, oh, I got to definitely use this, like bring this with me, like everywhere, you know? But yeah, that, that's definitely solid second on piece of equipment for me. That is, that is ridiculous in price. Yeah.

[00:57:08] If you go on eBay, it's like $5,000 for this little voice recorder that was made in the eighties. It is so nuts. I was like, oh my God. And you know, they only made them for a very limited amount of time. So what was, what was it called again? Sorry. The what? The, the Panasonic DR 60. I'm going to, I'm going to have to look that up afterwards because that is. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Like I said, and, and there'll be ones that are, and they're like pre-owned.

[00:57:38] So they're not like new in the box. Like people have had them since the late eighties when they came out. And so a lot of them are very old. They don't make them anymore. And it's such like, kind of like. Well, that'll put the price up a little bit, I suppose. But that's still a lot. It definitely wasn't $5,000 way back when, you know, it was like. But now it's, they've gained such a, he's such like a notoriety as a piece of paranormal equipment. Everybody wants them.

[00:58:08] And I mean, I love it. I mean, I've the couple of the handful of times that I've used it. I'm like, this is wild. I said, I would love to add this to my, my box that I have equipment that I bring with me everywhere. But like I said, it is so out of the realm of my budget. And like I said, my wife would kill me if I ever bought one. Maybe if I just like fell out of the sky and landed on like my hand, like a death note or something like that. I mean, maybe. But that's the only way I can like actually see me getting that piece of equipment, you know?

[00:58:39] Yeah, there's no way I'd be able to justify that. Yeah, I would, I wouldn't be able to. Yeah, that is crazy. That is crazy. Exactly. So one last thing I want to ask you then regarding, I suppose it's sort of equipment based. So have you ever used any of the apps that you can get on your phone?

[00:59:06] I try to stay away from them because it's just, you know, I try to like, there is some that I have used in the past. Like I've used, I'm trying to even think of like Spiritus, I think was one that came out years ago that someone had.

[00:59:29] But I don't, I usually try to stay away from app stuff because it's one of those things that's where you kind of don't know if someone's added in like preloaded responses to stuff, right? Like you don't know, like it's like, obviously someone, someone's developed it in a way, but it's just, you know, I'm very like 50, 50 on it. Like, you know, I try to stay like the stuff that I have personally.

[00:59:57] Personally, I try to stick with that, not to discredit everything that is app based, you know, but personally I'm kind of 50, 50 on it. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm exactly the same. And the only reason I have a, a slight problem with them, like more like the spirit talker apps, the ones that, you know, you'd use as a spirit box is purely because like we all know our phones listen to us.

[01:00:24] Like, you know, if you, if you sit and have a 10 minute conversation about, about a certain type of car, you start scrolling through Facebook, you're going to see, you're going to see adverts, what you've been talking about. You know, that, that's not, that isn't a coincidence. Exactly. So my, my, my, my theory is like, why can't that be listening? And it listens to the questions you ask. And then like, obviously, because like I say, if you, if you use an actual spirit box, you know, it's very, it's very rarely a dead on the money answer.

[01:00:52] So it's all, it's always something, you know, loosely based to it. And with the apps that tends to be what happens as well. I mean, it could work, but I don't know. I just, I think. Right. There's a lot of smart people out now. There's a lot of smart people out in the world now. And I think, I mean, I couldn't do it, but I think for people that could do it, I think it would be quite easy for them to do that. If you know what I mean? Right. Right. Exactly. And I, and I think that would actually be kind of like a cool experiment to run. Right.

[01:01:21] Like, I think if you were to go to a place, right. And actually go to a location that isn't haunted, that isn't haunted whatsoever. Right. Like, I think, and if, let's say you're just talking about nonsense, like, let's say if you have one of these like spirit talker apps up or whatever like that, and you're just talking about pineapples or something like that. And then this thing starts regurgitating pineapples.

[01:01:44] I think that'd be a very cool experiment to do, to see if it's legitimate, you know, I think, you know, I think that's something to definitely consider. And I think that'd be a very cool experiment to run to see if it actually, it is listening to you, you know, or just speak nonsense into it and, you know, and just hope, like, hopefully elicits kind of a response. Maybe you could kind of gauge it that way. But I think that'd be a very cool experiment to run when, uh, when it comes to apps like that on the phone.

[01:02:12] Not a bad idea that actually, I might have to try that one time. Yeah, I think, I think it would be, I think it'd be interesting. You know, I think whether it real wields results or not, I think is, you know, yet to be seen, but I think that would be a cool way to see if something is legitimate or if it's just our phones listening to us. You know, like you said, there is, there is very, very smart people out there that develop these apps and who knows, maybe some of them are legitimate.

[01:02:41] Maybe some of them aren't, but you know, like I said, that, I think that kind of boils down to us being investigators. We have to kind of take everything with a grain of salt and do our due diligence to determine if something is legitimate or if something is a hoax, a bogus, whatever you want to call it, or something that could be debunked. You know? So I think that's something, a very, a very cool experiment. And I think, you know, that could be run. Yeah.

[01:03:08] It's, it's, it's why I always like to say that, like, I don't, I don't like to, I don't actually like to say that something that's happened on an investigation was paranormal. I prefer to say something happened that I can't explain. Right. Right. Exactly. Like. Something, something that happened and I can't explain it doesn't mean it was a ghost. It just means I might be an idiot. Right. Exactly. And, um, you know, what I bring people with me investigating, I guess I never investigate alone.

[01:03:34] So I, I bring a bunch of people with me, but I, I brought a skeptic with me, um, one time. Cause he's like, you know what? I, I want to actually go on a ghost hunt. I want to see an investigation, what it entails and everything like that. And he had some experiences, especially when it came to like the essays experiment. Like he was saying stuff that pertains to the location that he had no prior knowledge of at all. Um, and then when I told him this, he's like, Oh, well that's weird. He's like, he's like, I don't know if it's paranormal, but it's definitely weird.

[01:04:03] And he's like, maybe it's a coincidence. I don't know. But he's like, definitely very weird. But it's, I think, you know, like I said, the healthy amount of skepticism I think is, is good to have in this field. Yeah, definitely. You know? And, um, you know, not everything is paranormal, but then not everything is not paranormal. You know? Yeah, exactly. I think, I think, like you said, perfectly. I think I like to use the phrase, I things I can't even begin to explain. Like I've seen things and experienced things that I can't even begin to explain.

[01:04:33] Like even scientifically, I can't even explain it. You know, like I've, I have had weird stuff happen and I can't even begin to tell you or even try to rationalize what happened. You know, it's just very weird. Something I just can't explain at all. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right, man. So I have one last question for you and it's a question that I always like to ask people.

[01:04:58] So if you could have the paranormal world, the paranormal and everything involved with it, ghosts, spirits, all that sort of stuff. If you could have that be scientific fact as obvious as gravity is to us, you know, it's, it's not something you even think about. It's just, it's just there. Every, everybody knows about it. Everybody knows it's real. Everybody knows it's a thing. Would you want it to be? What do you think? What do you mean? I'm just trying to, I'm trying to see like, uh.

[01:05:29] So like, like, like basically there'd be no need to do paranormal investigations because everybody would just know that there is spirits out there, that there's ghosts there. Oh, okay. There'd be no need to do what we do. Like if I want that to happen. There'd be no skeptics or anything. Like I said, everybody would just know. Oh, everybody would just know. I don't know.

[01:05:50] You know, it's like, I think the, the big allure of doing paranormal investigations is the mystery behind it. Right. I think that just that the unknown portion that we like to think about, I think that's a, that's, that draws a lot of people into this community. I think just the interest in the unknown, the fear of the unknown, I think that's what drives this field. And I think if everybody just kind of knew it was there, I think just the, the allure wouldn't be there anymore.

[01:06:20] You know, I mean, not only with ghosts, but like cryptids and everything like that too. I think just that, that realm of the unknown and that mystery, I think, I think that we should preserve that, you know? And I think that, I think the mystery behind those things is a beautiful thing. And I, I don't think I would want to change that if everything could be scientifically proven. Cool. But I think the big mystery. It would make it boring.

[01:06:50] It would make it boring. You know, it's kind of like, all right, like you said, like gravity, we know, you know, what goes up must come down. You know, we know that. But I think when it comes to spirits and stuff, I think the beauty of the unknown is, is one of the most powerful things that drives this field. And I wouldn't change that at all. You know? Exactly.

[01:07:11] And I, I, I always, I always finish, finish off that question by saying, if it was, you know, scientific facts and everybody knew about it, we, there's been no need to, for us to have just had this conversation. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, I've, I've, I've really enjoyed speaking to you. So I mean, Yeah, me too, man. Yeah. Um, I don't know if you want to let people know where they can find you on Instagram. Oh yeah, absolutely.

[01:07:37] So if you guys are interested and want to follow along my adventures or anything, it's just Kevin paranormal, all one word on Instagram. And I hope to see you guys there. Nice. Nice. Right then guys. So we shall leave it there for this one. So as always go and follow the Instagram page at the spooky shed podcast. There's a link in the bio there for the Facebook and the Tik TOK, which I'm uploading a hell of a lot more to.

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