2000 Trees Festival - Off The Stage with Sean Smith (Sappenin' Podcast, The Blackout & Raiders)

[00:00:14] Hello and welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture, one conversation at a time. I am your host, Harley. Every episode, I interview different people from around the world to discuss a variety of topics within the world of pop culture. Thanks for joining

[00:00:30] me on this journey and I hope you enjoy the episode. Welcome back to another episode of Fandomentals and this is the final episode from my time at the 2000 Trees Festival. If you've heard the previous episodes of the podcast,

[00:00:52] you'll know that I was fortunate enough to attend the 2000 Trees Festival and interview a number of bands as well as some fantastic people who work very hard behind the scenes at the festival. And today's guest, well he's had some experience both on and off the stage.

[00:01:08] He is the front man to two bands, those being the Blackout and Raiders and he's the co-host of the Sappanin podcast. It is of course, Sean Smith. Sean was good enough to come on the podcast

[00:01:21] and chat with me for almost an hour about his experiences both on and off the stage at festivals. I am calling this off for stage for Sean Smith because really it is part two of my off-the-stage

[00:01:31] episodes from 2000 Trees and it's primarily what we spend most of our time talking about. Sappanin is an incredible podcast if you've not heard it and do yourself a favor and go and check

[00:01:42] out. But I'm assuming that most of you listening to this have and you'll know that he and his co-host Morgan have over 290 episodes talking to all sorts of people in the music industry.

[00:01:52] So really, that's the focus of our conversation and what a conversation it is. So without further ado, let's just get to it. This is off the stage at the 2000 Trees Festival with Sean Smith of the Sappanin podcast. Hello, Sean. Welcome to the fundamentals podcast.

[00:02:22] Thank you, Robin Mia for a start. It's a ticker, Baba. Yes, I am you. My name is Sean Smith. I do a thing called Sappanin podcast. A podcast called Sappanin podcast, really. Not a thing.

[00:02:36] I do a bank called the black out and I also do a bank called Raiders and nobody likes a case about Ad Raiders Band UK on social media, please. Do you like Raiders? That's the

[00:02:46] question. I love Raiders. I love Raiders. It's my it's the darkness. It's my dark side in a band. Basically, it's my well, the black out hasn't been a thing for like nine years. Yeah. My depression

[00:03:02] and anxiety grew and I need an outlet for it. So Raiders was born out of frustration. And desperation to be in a band and to perform for people. Yeah. So yeah, I like get a lot. It's basically self-armony for it. It's basically self-armony for the public. Right. But

[00:03:27] if that's my outlet so I have fun and as all of that is exactly. And you got the black out about this year as well. Yes. Yeah. Well, basically I started my podcast because the black

[00:03:37] had it failed and I thought, what can I do? Yeah. Because normally other front men, they can draw or they can cut here so they end up being tattooists or barbers. Sure. But as you can see,

[00:03:51] I know this is an audio only podcast but as you can see, I shouldn't be allowed to choose my own haircut. Let alone other people. So I couldn't become a barber and I can't draw. So what was the

[00:04:00] last option? Start the podcast because you can talk nonsense consistently. As people are right now. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah, I basically use that podcast then to back my former

[00:04:13] band members in the black outs to get a band back together. But little did I know that none of them would show any interest in the podcast and I have listened to it. So I was basically spent seven

[00:04:23] years of begging to nobody. So you've got some pretty good stuff out of it. Oh, no, I'm absolutely like we've created a community. Yeah. That is the best part about it. 100% like don't give me

[00:04:35] wrong. I've spoke some amazing people. Yeah. And we've had some brilliant guests but the best thing to come out of it is the community we've made that is so supportive of each other. It's unbelievable. They buy each other tickets for each other, for shows they're doing like

[00:04:53] secret centers. People have come over from Australia to visit other people. It's just amazing and absolutely amazing. I never thought would come out of me talking nonsense to people. In a stupid accent. It's amazing what can happen, right? It's bonkers like, yeah.

[00:05:11] I will my yellow driver podcast anyway when I just sound like I talk through Super all the time. And then it's created this beautiful, yeah, a malagamation of Goths from around the world. Yeah.

[00:05:23] I'm believable. Well done them. Yeah, totally. I'm totally. But I think you give yourself some credit as well. What you and Morgan do is genuinely impressive. I got it. I mean, it's mainly Morgan. Like the impressive, the bit you're impressed by is Morgan. Yeah. He basically

[00:05:39] spucks it all. Yeah. Eddits it all. Does it all really? I'm just the beautiful face of an audio only podcast. It doesn't really work to say. But yeah, I'm looking at the music video for rambling off about nonsense and trying to

[00:06:01] my whole thing with my podcast is I know what it's like being the other side of questions from people. Of course. Yeah. And there's only so many times you can be asked what

[00:06:10] you feel the song to be played. Played live before you want to move whatever's asking it. So I just wanted to kind of like break the ice and the amount of people we've had come on who've expected it to be your straightforward music podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Like we

[00:06:23] had searched tanky and on from system of dome. Yeah, a couple of weeks back. And he started. And because he'd just been doing like literary podcasts and interviews with like people right for newspapers about his new book. Yeah. He thought it was going to be about

[00:06:39] he thought it was going to be an intelligent podcast. How wrong you were? Just tanky. So yeah, we just ended up discussing like stupid stuff. And it's like you see so much more of a band member or a person who isn't talking about the same things they've talked

[00:06:54] about over and over. You take them out the things and go like we got a question because we ask people like where's the weird display so you have a played live? Yeah. Because a lot of

[00:07:03] bands don't get asked that ever. They've all got an amazing story. So like me for example, my answer is I went supported Lincoln Park at a bull ring. That's great. In a theatre of death. I think

[00:07:18] people are chose that while they didn't. That feels very metal. Yeah, very metal. But you wouldn't think Lincoln Park's book in it. I was like, oh, plastic and with a bull's die. Yeah,

[00:07:28] you think in Spain, in the Lincoln Park, they got options. Sure. But we also played Lincoln Park's first ever gig in Greece. Really? Which you think? Oh, first gig for 1000 people. There's no 18,000

[00:07:39] people. For your first gig in a country. Well done Lincoln Park. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's just like an interesting, I'll podcast it like an interesting behind the scenes look at our guests, life, whether they we've had actors. We've had comedians. We had wrestlers. We've had

[00:08:01] UFC fighters. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a look behind the scenes and just a bit more. I don't want to say a bit more fun than usual podcast but we try and bring some in a little different

[00:08:13] than this. Again, what's your favorite song in the Bay of Life? Yeah, no dude, I agree. I mean, you know, I've seen friends with friendly with Mark and like, sorry about that. He's the worst. He's

[00:08:23] literally the worst podcast that interviewer until man I've ever met in areas now. Give him a slap. He's got it. Yeah. It's got a beautiful wife. Yeah, well, I think he just walked past us the

[00:08:40] moment. I sat his like an off. Yeah, but genuinely like, and I it's funny because I met you last year and like I hadn't I had heard of sat in my hand got into listening to it and I was saying

[00:08:51] to Morgan. When I started going through your podcast as I why don't I not pick this up soon as it's so up my street by totally agree with what you're saying and that that's the kind of podcast

[00:08:59] I like to listen to as well as the interviews where yeah, you just get some interesting conversation yeah, I was not the same stock. That's it. I'd rather be a conversation than interview. Yeah.

[00:09:10] So like yeah, I don't be like, oh, I'm interviewing David Raymond today. Like, I just say, I'm talking to whatever. Yeah. Because that's how it is. I'd rather be a chat and I'm right in thinking they appreciate that as well. Yeah, because they're good. Yeah.

[00:09:27] The amount of like Brian Brian Fallen from Gassad Antham. We did with him. Yeah. Did one of him a couple of weeks back. Maybe a couple of months back and

[00:09:37] instantly you could see. So I do it. I do a bit of stick before we go live. Yeah. I do a thing. I basically do the thing I just told you about being a front man who couldn't draw or choose a cut. So I do that

[00:09:51] a little bit to try and break the ice. Sure. And nine times out of ten they got, oh, this is just going to be funnier. Yeah. And then they're just more relaxed and you get more stuff out of

[00:10:01] them and you get them. People are more open to talk to you about weird stuff rather than just be like, I've got to talk about a new album. Like the amount of times we've got to the end of it. We're

[00:10:11] like, oh, we're mentioned in the new album that you'll always in your PR. As does do this or we fast them can we do it? Yeah. We've never mentioned it but yes, just a bit of fun. I think

[00:10:23] and there's a bit of fun. It's nice to kind of break those barriers down as well, right? And maybe people just more human rather than just like weird mythic creatures that only ever talk about

[00:10:31] their work. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's the thing. Like you do, I know, you know, I know people are wanting to talk to you about your album or whatever but it's only so many times you can do

[00:10:43] out in a day without being like, oh, I'm going to give the same stock answer now and yeah. That's what I don't want like, whenever I say whenever I hear someone go, oh, I told this story on

[00:10:51] another podcast. My first artist. But don't say no. Yeah, yeah. I'll call look for that. Yeah, like give me something that's wild and fresh and new or whatever but yeah. It's been great so far

[00:11:03] and honestly I appreciate Morgan. There's so much work for us and yeah, it's a loving very much. Well done Morgan. He does a good job man. I mean, yeah, like I said, it's a fantastic show. It's a fantastic

[00:11:16] listen. And all right and thinking then like festivals for you guys are like opportunities to do that. Kind of on mass like talk with lots of different people and just really shine a light on

[00:11:26] the behind the scenes and the personalities. Very much so yeah. So yeah, basically what I was system when we come to festivals is we'll get a few of them. We'll get a few guests on to do

[00:11:40] 10 to 15 minutes and then we'll make a festival special out of that one. Yeah. And then sometimes we also get longer other festivals with people so we keep them for whole episodes then. Yeah,

[00:11:50] like your Blackstone Cherry wouldn't just burn. Yes, like that one. That was that was very fun. They were awesome super cool guys. But then yeah so like we're not saying about asking different questions and

[00:12:03] stuff and how that normally makes the artist happier. Yeah. We did our ones at download and it didn't work so well. Oh no. Yeah. We are talking about it. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Yeah,

[00:12:19] I don't give a damn. Yeah, we had the singer from Real Big Fish on once right? Right. Download 2019. Yep. And so we used to say, oh, it's anything you don't want to talk about before and push

[00:12:32] it's because you know something will like our scandals or yeah. Yeah. You know, we're not out to get anyone. No, we know. We're purposely out to get anyone. So we always ask first. So we asked

[00:12:43] the singer from Real Big Fish. We were like, oh, what is anything you don't want to talk about? And I get that he just done the media so get he didn't realize he had 40 minutes with us.

[00:12:52] Yeah. And he probably just been bored at his mind. He asked the same questions. So I said to him, he said, you don't want to speak about and it's not so was I don't want to

[00:13:00] talk about a real big fish. I don't want to talk about music and I don't want to talk about download festival. Right? No, she said it's a joke. Right? Okay. So it's like, oh, yeah, that's great. Sure. Sure. But then we started talking to, so I opened,

[00:13:14] satin in satin and said we always opened with satin. It's a colloquial term from where I'm from and so I said, right, we're joined by Aaron from Real Big Fish. I discovered your band

[00:13:26] from one of my favorite films of all time, Beskit Ball. Yeah. What was it like being in a cult film like that? Yeah. And he said to me, he looked really miserable all of a sudden and he was like,

[00:13:38] oh, we had a single out at the same time as that film. So our single didn't do as well as the two songs in the film. Right? And I was like, oh, baby, oh, is it? And so yeah, we ended up doing,

[00:13:52] where we got 12 minutes into it and everything was like a one word answer. It's like you walk up that day and he must have you had a real big fish for the first time. Because I said,

[00:14:02] you look how I felt about real big fish. Right? So yeah, so like we after 12 minutes, I said, all right, cool, where can people find information on real big fish and he said, just cool,

[00:14:12] real big fish in there. Yeah. And I was like, all right, cool. So we didn't use any of that into the whatsoever, right? But on our download 2009 in special, if you listen to very beginning,

[00:14:23] we normally put like a court, someone mad court, someone said, I'm going to get in. Not starts with, I don't want to talk about real big fish. I don't want to talk about music. I don't want to

[00:14:31] talk about download first of all. They never get mentioned again on that episode. We just use that bit and I was like, yeah, just like, I'm being in real big fish. I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's

[00:14:45] like you walk up and you realize you've got trumpets in his band. It would make me sad if I walk up the black and a trumpets or something. I'd be very sad, but I'd be interested to see

[00:14:54] you try and pull that off. It would be dreadful. Yeah, I did. But yeah, so we've had like, that's the only one we've had where it's gone a bit south. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, you don't know,

[00:15:05] probably just a bit of a bad mood or what you, you're, you're a big fish for the first time. Yeah, go V. That's great. Yeah, that's the, that's the comments and opinion of Sean Smith, right? I

[00:15:19] Sean Smith only. Thank you for the next one. Yeah, thanks very much. So when you have real big fish on now, you can, yeah, you could put the episode out, hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah, I

[00:15:27] mean if I'm getting one word answers and that kind of, I won't bother about it. Yeah, that's great. Well, that's actually a, what was the first festival you guys got to do? It's the podcast.

[00:15:38] Awesome. Very good question. When did we start this? We started this in 2008, November 2018. Yeah. So it imagined Slumdang 2019 maybe? Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, someone like, yeah, we've been going since November 2018. So yeah, I imagine the next festival and after we started would have been

[00:15:59] Slumdang maybe. So every year we tried to do Slumdang, download 2003s, and they're standard, yeah, middle of the festival season. We did do Redden and we did to Redden for a year or

[00:16:14] two, but then I don't think it's really for us. No, there's not for us, but I just don't think there's enough people. Redden's like a more of a pop vibe now, more than ever. Yeah, yeah. So

[00:16:29] where does we kind of end with everybody in the rock scene? So we know, you know, we either know people or we know people who know them. And now we can get into do Starway, Redden just felt

[00:16:38] like a bit like, oh there's Poppy. What am I meant to do? Like this for Poppy to say before Poppy's record label to say they're going to have to try metal because she's filled the pop.

[00:16:50] Because she's doing metal now and she which is master. Yeah. But yeah, she remember she was there when you and I just like, I don't know, I would have a pro chat, I don't even know

[00:17:00] how to. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, because you guys do have kind of a niche I suppose. Yeah, yeah, like you said, sort of sub genre of music that you fit into. So yeah, I'd imagine you

[00:17:11] be stood there just sort of going like this like we're back. We're back. That was weird. So I get using rechargeable batteries. Do you know what I think happened? Mark Skumbag, Mark Wooddiet, Sabotange, the equipment. Yeah, probably. Does someone like you when you would do? I

[00:17:31] well, I'm not I'm not as he's gone. Yeah, maybe maybe I'm free to speak. Tell me all this good. He's muted. Mark told me he's a killer man. Why? Oh dear. Yeah, hopefully that doesn't

[00:17:44] happen again. So yeah, that was fun. Well, Mark and a man on the bat is going declined coming at both. Yeah, they're going to call it. Exactly. Yeah. And I just should be fed so you pick up

[00:17:54] where we left off. Like, yeah, you've got a good thing going with all of this and like, yeah, that makes total sense to me that you were just you found your niche, you found a thing that works.

[00:18:02] Yeah. Faint broke don't fix it. But I'm not like I'm not a post to do in like other people and like like pop stars and stuff but sure. I cannot not skate to talk to anyone.

[00:18:14] But yeah, but you're hard to relate. I suppose as well, they're in the sort of a different world. Yeah, in a way, but I still think we'd still have things like two or three and then something

[00:18:23] common like true. And then the day backstage for everyone's gig, whether you all rob you Williams. Yeah. Why? Yeah. Whether you are the pinnacle of megal voices like Robert Williams, right, or your Sean Smith from the Blackout, your tour in at some point has been

[00:18:43] walking into the building and asking everybody for the wife I could. Yeah. First, like we would always go to have those things in common. That's true. We'd all go to that tour in life

[00:18:52] just because, you know, we do things differently. And then it's nice to you around those other things work as well. Those are the productions work because again, it's like when we had like,

[00:19:01] like, fly and bust it on and that's right. Yeah. And yeah, just to you, there's stories from the other side of, you know, being super famous pop stars is mad. Yeah, it's been good. It's been good.

[00:19:14] Have you enjoyed doing all our wrestlers as well? Yeah. So I love wrestling. Yeah. There's a lot of crossover there. Oh, you say that. There's a lot of crossover with metalheads and wrestling. Yeah. There's a lot of, oh, that's concussion in there as well.

[00:19:26] There's a lot of CT going around the metal scene. And I imagine from Mosh Pitz and stuff. Pretty yeah. I think it's a bit of an, I think it's just as a metalhead. I think we're all just nodes.

[00:19:34] Yeah. So like anything is like, yeah, it's fun to see people be in each other around. Yeah. Go for it. It's friends. Pretend to fight each other in their pants for my amusement. Yeah. Exactly. It is. It's like oiled up. It fellers. Yeah. In their pants,

[00:19:46] pretend into it. Their friends. Yeah. My enjoyment. Thank you. Thank you all wrestlers. Yeah. Yeah. I've just loved doing the wrestling. And yeah, it's been amazing. It was better when

[00:20:00] WWE used to be a download. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So we used to get a couple more WWE wrestlers on whenever all, but yes, feeling far between them coming over now, I think. But it was been your best

[00:20:15] guess of our other than this one obviously. Yeah, obviously. Well, obviously. It's a good question. Best or biggest. I don't know. Best? Yeah. Well, I took my hundredth episode. I was in a middle of a songwriting season. And that has been awesome. Like the different people I've

[00:20:32] spoken to. By spoke to John Gom. If you're familiar with him, he's one of his like a crazy virtuoso acoustic people. Like he basically just does all that. Oh, he's tap it. Yeah, tap it.

[00:20:42] It's really tuning and just watching me like how unbelievable. And sings on top. You just like stop it. Stop being sore, talented. I know give me one of them talent exactly. But he was nice enough to

[00:20:54] come on and we had a like a two hour chat about music and he talked via guitar. Oh, he played the guitar. He did play the guitar at one point. He got a guitar right and he was like, yeah,

[00:21:03] because we were talking about music theory and he likes playing in random tuning. So he was like, hey, I'll show you. And I'll just sat there like, okay. Yeah. That's what happens. The same thing

[00:21:10] happened with me and more gun rate. Steve. I Stephen Vay. Yeah. We had Stephen Vay on. And I thought I was one. I was worried about I never, ever worried about doing them right? Yeah. I'm never,

[00:21:21] wherever it is, I'm never worried about talking up to him. But for Steve Vay, all I could think was when we were more gunna nothing about guitar. I literally nothing. So I was just gonna go.

[00:21:35] Yeah. I went into talking to him and he was lovely. Super down to earth. He promised that some of his honey that he makes that we still haven't seen. Still haven't got it. Still haven't had it.

[00:21:44] We even started doing Steve. What was it called? What do I call, eh? It was like a Steve Vay honey. Yeah. Yeah. That's Steve Vay honey. I think. Yeah. And I'd go,

[00:21:54] Morgan and then he knew the man or nothing in the post. Not a drop of Steve Vay's honey. But to go back to what you're talking about. Yeah. So he was doing it from his studio in his house. And then

[00:22:08] we were talking about guitar and he'd broken his arm or something like that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. He said talking about playing guitar and I was like, oh, look, I'll show you. Yeah. And then he

[00:22:18] whipped his guitar and I won and it and he gave me a Morgan a 15 minute Steve Vay concert. Yeah. And then after it, he was like, oh, boys, don't use if you could, if you could do me a favor,

[00:22:32] not use all of that because they had a bad note in there. I was like, no, but he would not. And also you played that one and it. He was unbelievable. Like obviously, yeah. Yeah. But he just whipped his guitar and he's just like,

[00:22:46] play in for us. And he was like, oh, yeah. And then he said, show when I sat this stuff and like show when this is guitars. And I was like, yeah, like after we finished he kept like,

[00:22:54] and this is what I love about it. Like I know, I know we've made a mark on someone. Yeah. Because sometimes after the chats, before now we've had people go, oh, what are you two up to?

[00:23:05] No, man. I was like, oh, we're just going to go, what are you up to? Oh, nothing. I got an hour free. Do you fancy just chilling out and I'm like, oh, is it? It was someone who did class as well.

[00:23:15] I was like, hmm. They just want to hang out. I'm going to leave this. But yeah, a couple of times us up and we're like, like, we've gone from non-knowing each other. Like most of the guests when

[00:23:26] it started off, it was basically me texting everybody. I know when I'm coming to this. Yeah. It's probably going to last 10 episodes and then I've run at a friend's. But we're on episode 294. Now I'm going to say, yeah, you come up with big 300. Yeah. That's what it is.

[00:23:42] It's more fresh. So I was going to say, it's got to be for a dish. I mean, I messed him every week to a deadline and he likes some and sees him. He never says anything back. Have you even said to him,

[00:23:52] do me a favor, just send me a clip of use saying, f your podcast, f you leave me alone. And I will use that as a podcast. Yeah. The whole it, the friend does that. So I'm all right with that. And I'm done.

[00:24:05] I'm done. But yeah, the amount of people we've met. Like I said, Brian from Gaslight. Yeah. We did one with him and it was so fun and it was so not the music chat he was expecting.

[00:24:17] Nice. That instantly we were all sort of following each other on Instagram. We've gone back and for I posted one of my one of my favorite well-singers is a guy called Tom Jenkins. It was

[00:24:26] here this weekend. He's an acoustic act. Got the most beautiful voice this year. Amazing. Super honed in. I posted one of his videos on my Instagram stories. I've Brian liked there. Nice.

[00:24:37] I was like, oh, this guy's going to be an amazing voice. I went back to my friend Tom and I was like, Tom, Brian from Gaslight. Anthony loves your voice. And he's like, bro, I adore that man. He's like,

[00:24:46] in one of the, one of the verses in my song, I literally named check Brian. Whoa. And mentioned about a lyric he says in one of his songs. And then I had a source of score in between two people and yeah,

[00:24:59] from South Wales. Someone I've recently met. Well, I met him in 2013 at somewhere festival. But we hadn't reconned until this year. So basically I'm meeting again for the first time. I suppose

[00:25:11] these two up. I've looked my friend up with someone he classes as a zero. He always know my friend because I made him laugh. And it's just mad. It's a mad world. These didn't happen and I can

[00:25:22] somehow make these things happen as well. I totally is that there's something I love about independent podcasting is like a more you get into it. It's just like you're saying it's connections.

[00:25:31] It's the people you meet along the way and before you know it, having conversations with people that you're like, I have no right to be talking to you. Yeah. But at the same time as you said, it's like,

[00:25:38] actually I've got every right. We're all just people. Yeah. You know, we've all, we've all caught pressure skin in zips. Like, you know, you're gonna run. For a band of red, you know, taxis. Yeah. Yeah. You brought pit, found pits,

[00:25:51] bangers. I'm gonna attack you. I don't mean I am seen here, but I bet he off. Like, he's like, he likely off. So yeah, we're all nobody's better than anybody else. Yeah. Apart from Feders to Pound. Apparently, yeah. It's a graphic hierarchy to get it one day.

[00:26:06] It's a punk drop. I know what I read about it. I feel like it is going to up. Yeah. It's just the anticipation. Yeah. Let's get it done then. Yeah. Because when we started this podcast, I had three front men that were my pedestal.

[00:26:21] You were my trifecta. They were my father's son in the oligosce. Yeah. And I've done whatever I'm so far. I've had one so far, which was dialed plumber from Flash Joe and head of

[00:26:31] the Madagher. Nice. He was a massive inspiration to me before I started bands. Yeah. So I've done him. And then his friend did it, obviously. Yeah. And I'd also like Mike Patton of the Facebook

[00:26:44] who who who who who who who. But I met him once and it passed myself so much that I believe he will remember it. And when I spoke to Dave Lombardo in Mr. Bungul as well,

[00:26:56] I had a band Slayer obviously. Yeah. He told me that Mike as the best memory of all time, I'll definitely remember. So now I'm worried about eventually meeting Mike Patton and

[00:27:10] he was like, you're in and he's like, oh, you're the fellow who left his own gig on stage. Came over to me next to the stage. You loved me. Then told me, you've got to go during the

[00:27:20] band that you were watching. And then he walked off as he's going to say to me because I saw him and I went, it's a bit right now we wrap, we had a rapper on a song. It's like, I know we did it.

[00:27:28] But I saw Mike Patton. He's like, I've got to go to try to run over. I love you. I told you I love you. I got to go. I mean, you band do watching. Right.

[00:27:39] And he was like, yeah, I know. I just thought it all could. And I just wanted to. So that's happened. I think that's kind of endearing though. I don't think he remembers it and goes, oh, you

[00:27:51] the tip you go. I'm sure he gets that stuff all the time. Oh, he bunged all his there. Yeah. He's a good as a fan. I've all the time probably. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, you can do it all.

[00:28:02] Singing, shoved in, screaming, making funny animal noises as most of these excellent. Yeah. I reckon that's in the can for you guys one day for sure. I don't know. He's probably more awkward because have you seen any of his interviews? No, I haven't actually known.

[00:28:19] So there's one he did right. He's at a festival and Wolfmother starts playing in a background. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He literally looks down the barrel of the camera and he goes, why are you real

[00:28:29] we live in it? What is this? But he doesn't realize at the time he's promoting this in 20 Italian out swing out by me's done. So if Wolfmother has been sent, he's you're promoting in

[00:28:40] 20 swing out. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, he's very eccentric. Yeah, very eccentric. He's got a very is like closed off to me now. So I don't know if we were like, I don't think we're cool enough

[00:28:56] to get him. You never know man. I mean, I feel like the more you do these things, the more doors eventually open. Right? I don't theory. I don't think like we'd ever, there's no way you

[00:29:06] meet his cooler radar. Like it is cool limit. We're not like an experimental just metal podcast. Sure. We're just two plebs talking to people who should be loading. Yeah. So yeah, I imagine he's going to say no way horse-aing comes to be in the oven. Well,

[00:29:26] you never know man. I like to remain optimistic. I keep keep that out for maybe episode 400. Oh, it was your dream guest. Oh, for me it's easy. You've had him on your show. It's a March

[00:29:36] Monday. March March. Oh, Parkman. Sorry. I didn't know you. Yeah, that's cool. What was I didn't know it was? Lovely fella. Yeah. But he's functioning out of the stuff. Like I was there in

[00:29:46] London when he played it and yeah, me and my buddy Liam are like massive massive fans of his. Lovely guys. Yeah, he's one of those people he mentioned earlier like just annoyingly talented.

[00:29:57] Just like every single thing seems to do it's like yeah when he said it was like I'm doing this not sure thing. I was like, I don't know man. And that hit that first note and that first song. It was like,

[00:30:06] what? So me and Morgan Morgan said it up for me to thrust a talk. Yeah. And I like all the bridge and I like Mark. But then I used to do this frunk thing and I was like, oh, is it just like

[00:30:18] some sort of cash grab or something like that? It's a very out of the field. Yeah, and then I you did. And I was like, oh, that is Frank's an odd. Yeah. You are freaky. Yeah. And the people that worked on

[00:30:29] that album are people who worked on Frank's an odd as an album. Yeah. Yeah. That hadn't been together since Frank. Yeah. Which is yeah. It's like, sorry what? Yeah. And the guy is also much

[00:30:42] feel like I could I would have a lot of questions for him. Even like writing a book for an album like doing stuff like that is mental. Yeah. I mean, all to which is my favorite band. That's

[00:30:51] like, yeah. There's a lot of bands that've got me into music but that was one that like really reignited it and yeah, I just everything he does and like you're an awesome person. Yeah,

[00:31:00] if when I come back, Ryan's doing songwriting again, I don't know. I'll put a punt out there and see but you never know. You never know where these things do. Well, yeah, when they back or if I get in

[00:31:10] touch with me and then I'll see if I can get the contact off more than I'll hold you to them. I will send you this audio. I'll tell you it on your arm if you aren't. No, I can't. This is

[00:31:23] thing. It's like, yeah, it seems to be in the podcast world. Along with the band world, there's always right worries and bit in us, right? Right. And I am at a point now when I don't care about any

[00:31:34] of that, I just want to sort all of a good time. Yeah. So like Mark Mark would we've jokingly made fun of in a joke and we're definitely jogging typeway. But like, we shouldn't. Not that we shouldn't

[00:31:51] get on but because of what we do, we shouldn't you know, there should be some sort of rivalry and like make sure we're not going to see if you got it. Yeah, we've got no. Okay. I couldn't like

[00:32:00] I don't care. Like I know he asks different things to what I ask. Right exactly. And they're so for everyone. Yeah, totally. But that's yeah. It's feel on far between like I've met some podcast

[00:32:11] who just spend it all the time, slagging off other podcasts and I'm like, well I know when I leave now, you're going to turn to somebody else and do what they do to them to me. I don't,

[00:32:22] I don't get that man. I mean it's a scarcity mindset thing. It's weird especially with something like podcasting because it's so indie. It's like you just pick up a mic and go. It's like, yeah,

[00:32:31] there's the barrier to entry so low. It's like why be precious about it? Yeah, you know. Well I think that's probably because the barrier is so low people think, oh, I'm just

[00:32:40] the boy, they might maybe I, you know, I'm not going to get the chances of the people get or whatever. But what I've learned is like, say, I'm like, I just offered you if I get off more gun

[00:32:49] but I'll send you shoulder bridge and marks PR thing. Amazing. I don't know, like I don't know what you do other than this. Like you could be in a world. I'm going to help me at some point.

[00:33:01] I'm a window cleaner. I don't know. I got windows like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a track for you. Like it's out of a commute. It will be, yeah, I'll have to charge you quite a lot for

[00:33:10] you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But noise like music, wake, wake, wake, wake, do we all just help each other out? Like it's true. True. Yeah. I mean there's so much of it now isn't there in the world, especially

[00:33:21] it's like in the day and age of streaming and like everyone just having access to stuff. I agree. I totally agree. I think that's the best way to be is one another up. Yeah. And then the day,

[00:33:30] like especially podcast music, I'm sure you see this all the time with bands like people come and go. Yeah. So why be pressure about it? Like you've had to say might be somebody that you give a hand

[00:33:40] than they disappear two years later. And you go, oh fair enough. Like better be like that than to be like, well, no, no, get my territory. You never know who someone is going to be or maybe it's true.

[00:33:50] Like true. The amount of people like Lucas Woodland now, right? He's the frontman of holding up of course. Yeah. And funeral for a friend at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. The blackout was one of his first ever gigs, right? I've got a photo of me and him. He's

[00:34:03] wearing a sex drugs and sausage rolls t-shirts, right? Brilliant. And yeah, there's a photo of me. He's 12 and I'm like 23 or whatever. And now he's the frontman of funeral for a friend. One of my

[00:34:16] favorite bands. I know an absence one of my favorite bands and he's the most he's a friend to me, but he's also someone I look up to now because he's amazing. He's one of the most talented. He's

[00:34:26] great. He's the best well-t walked. Let's probably have all time so far. Take that Tom Jones. That's too Tom. That's good to say. You know after I was sing off against Sir Luke Gasno soon.

[00:34:40] But yeah, like I didn't know like Jimmy and like I could have been I could have been a **** to him when he was younger and then he never liked this band. He could just go online and

[00:34:51] talk, talk crap about my bands and things like that. You never know someone is or could end up being or... Sure, man. I met on the way up. Yeah. Would another bands or would **** to people?

[00:35:07] Oh, then when you saw when they band failed, nobody wanted anything with them at all. Yes, because you were in **** with everyone's waiting for you to fall. Yeah.

[00:35:16] I like to think why our podcast is done so well is because when I was on my way up and doing everything I was doing, I didn't upset anyone enough to push him away. Like all the

[00:35:28] PRs here. I know them all. I genuinely love them all. I killed for most of them. Ali Conley is... She's family. She's... She's... She's like a sister to me. I love her. Emma Van Dyke.

[00:35:42] It's like all of these people. Like so if I was a **** to any one of their artists, I probably would have not be... Do this. No, no. I see impression I get images by being here

[00:35:53] for the first time is like I'm you know being at last year just chatting to people. It's it's a very strong sense of community here. Yeah. Fair enough. So why would you mess with it? Why would

[00:36:02] you swan in and think like I'm bad at all this? Like oh yeah, no. You're just going to burn every break. The Bob villain treatment as I call it. Yeah, I just don't get it. I don't get

[00:36:13] do you relapse up my friend Emma last year? You weren't like a name character. I was there. Yeah, I'm not going to be fun. I mean, I yeah, I thought it was really uncool. Yeah, pretty good.

[00:36:22] Yeah, it wasn't cool but then I saw Emma after an Emma was genuinely upset and I was like, Emma, don't take it so wrong way but nobody out there probably knows who you are. Right?

[00:36:32] It's name check dude, but they probably don't know you are. Where does everybody back here? Yeah. No, who's exactly that you are? And no, that idiot was absolutely **** bang wrong and everything he said about you and everybody in there knows that. Yeah. So yeah,

[00:36:46] don't want to be a badass. So yeah. I just just, you know, it's been South like, you know. No, I like you say anything is it's like, I'm sure you appreciate this as well. Like with art,

[00:36:56] with things like this, these these things come and go. They pass like nothing's forever. So yeah, like I agree, it'd be nice to live at leave a legacy where like you worked hard. You got

[00:37:06] loads of stuff done but you were nice along the way and people, when people look back they'll go, oh yeah, you know what? Sean, Sean Morgan. Yeah, they were really nice guys. Like,

[00:37:13] not only did they have a good podcast, yeah. But they were genuinely good people. Whereas like, yeah, because you can like you said, you'll be replaced by somebody else's point. Only cool arrogant box stars are there. Five? Five that you got on your podcast to

[00:37:28] or like too far, like show. No, like no, like no, Liam Gallagher saying do what anyone buys. You're the kings of that. But other than then people like, uh, we've all made ready-made it to a

[00:37:41] level where they don't need any more money. No, yeah. You're going to come up again, someone who remembers you from back in a day and if you were a ****, they're going to tell you and then you're

[00:37:50] going to. Yeah, and like you say like that's people impressed that people in PR, like everyone next thing you know, you suddenly are not getting the opportunities at all. Like, they're among

[00:37:58] different people. All right, that I've seen and I always make this say my bands on a festival now or playing in a Reno with someone, I will check every door person I have to walk past to get to the

[00:38:11] stage. I will say, are you okay? Can I get your water? Because literally, I know in my room, I've got free water, free drinks, whatever they want is in there for free. Yeah. And these people are

[00:38:23] just sometimes sat for six hours in a corridor just sitting by a door and you're security I vis. I know once, you know, you've had to show your past to them. But most people are ignoring these

[00:38:34] people and I'm like, yeah, I could never do it like personally. I could never do it. So like, I go out to my way to offer people like, make an amount of security. I have seen,

[00:38:43] well, I've gone, do you want to board that or kind of call or go? I don't. If you have a be a pro. Sure. No, no, you've gone, oh what, it's not going to be like, yeah, yeah, just me and

[00:38:54] it like, it's, I just don't know how anybody can actively be a f*** like and just, yeah, I don't know if this always necessarily being horrible, maybe it's just ignorance as well, it's just, you know,

[00:39:05] because to be fair, I think you're right, it's easy to walk past somebody in the event like that and just think, I don't need to talk to this person. But, so I play it like, yeah, taking a moment

[00:39:14] just to say, you're right, you know, how are you? I'm sure that makes people's day as well. Yeah, it's like being treated like people. Yeah, we're all human. It's just treat people like humans

[00:39:23] and it's like otherwise they're a fancy door wedge, you know, you know, yellow, yellow, yeah, it's horrible like it. Yeah, it's just, yeah, so the, yeah, the running team has been, I swear everybody, because you never know,

[00:39:38] you never know exactly, exactly. A question I've been asking everybody and I'd love to get your answer on this. If I was to give you your own festival, yes, I want to know what's the name of

[00:39:50] the festival and who are your three dream headlines? You can have anyone right then or good run. It felt like sappening festivals like it's quite easy. It's a car boat and it's a car boat but

[00:40:02] it's a, you know, no, I'd have to be super egotistical so you're trying to be like Sean Fest or Sean Fest. Yeah, I'm like, just Sean, you've only got an M Sean. Yes. I'd like to Sean Michaels the wrestler. Just doing a super kickstepper faces. Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:20] Sean right there. Yeah, be there. Yeah. Just doing drugs on stage probably. Probably. Yeah. Probably does it. I'll be on Lizgeks. No, let's stop. It's Sean Fest on crap. I'm going to play a ticket. Bad hair cuts and tattoo. We call it we call for Sean Fest for

[00:40:35] no, but okay. Yeah, so there's three headlines. Who would you have? Face no more. Face no more. Face no more. Yeah. They all have to be, is this three seven day? Are we doing like a

[00:40:43] don't know, three separate days, headlight, yeah. Or would, all right. Yeah. Face no more on the Friday. Lizbe's get on the side today. Yep. It's tricky. It's tricky, isn't it? I'm going to say something

[00:41:05] controversial, but yeah. Go for it. You say Gary glitz are going to have to cut it. Or Janoa? It's a long same line. Okay. I was going to say last profits without the end.

[00:41:22] Do I? Yeah. Okay. With me front in there. With you, friends. I do it. That's fine. That's safe. Lucy got a good, well, much worse. Much worse. Much worse. Yeah. Last profits without Ian just saw the boys could. I would do anything for the

[00:41:39] f***, I would. Sorry. So we do anything for the five of last profits or not Ian Morgan's to get a feel. The love that they deserve to feel because those five, we did

[00:41:53] an episode with Stu from last profits. It was the first time any of last profits are sport about an episode 54 58 of something podcast. Stu would reach us. Because a lot of people thought everybody in the band knew what he was up to? Yeah, yeah. And

[00:42:08] those boys had kids and wives and stuff like that. It's really any idea what he was up to. They would have turned him into a pink mist. Yeah. F***ed. I know that for a f***ed because Stu beat

[00:42:18] Ian up for missing a warp to a show, right? Which is just a 30 minute show in a random American car park. He batted him in a can of monster to the air two black guys. Wow. So all I want is

[00:42:31] those last profits boys to feel the love that they deserve and they won sad because they lost absolutely everything. They did us come back. I remember I was working at H&V when it happened

[00:42:41] and it was like the next day it was like you just everything was gone but you just stripped it like the band never existed no one talked about it. Yeah, well like you say I agree man I thought

[00:42:50] the same thing I was like that sucks. That's like a whole group of people's careers just down this one because of one. Yeah but it's a group of people who created careers for other like

[00:42:59] me and you know, yeah I swear on my life we would not be having this conversation if last profit never existed. Right okay. Last profit to me were a band who would do in the

[00:43:09] sound of music. Yeah. That I wanted to hear coming out of Wales because all we added the time of state of Phoenix and the Manics. Right. So we had cool it was cool indeed but it was indeed

[00:43:21] whereas last profit was a merit-in-a-use new metal that I wanted to hear. The mid-me got what we're allowed we can do it. Yeah and then I started the black out off the back of them doing

[00:43:33] that then they ended up taking us out onto her. We took kids and class houses or you can you're in a background of this. We took them on their first tour. Those boys created all that

[00:43:43] for their friends they wouldn't have existed without them. So like when you think how many bands filmed for friend of inspired? Oh yeah. Kittiglas houses inspired. You know the black I probably have inspired two bands probably but this will seem would be completely different if

[00:43:59] last profit never existed. That's completely different. I want the five of them to be put on a pedestal and I'm worshipped because they deserve to be worshipped because they were about the sign of deal. A publishing deal for a lot like multi millions of pounds. Wow. They were

[00:44:20] about the sign of a publishing deal again for their second album and then that happened and they didn't sign it obviously didn't sign the deal so they all lost. Money and everything and I'm

[00:44:32] open to speak to Leigh the guitarist soon for the podcast because he told me stories about him smashing his platinum discs and all his like he's wrecked them all and yeah so it was meant to be a fun

[00:44:43] quick question. Three airs like this at the rest of the world I've taken 20 minutes and I've made this a short way. It's fine no it's a deeply personal answer which I love and every answer

[00:44:54] I've had so far has been quite different my verse which I've also loved. Yeah no dude I completely agree it's a band that you're right like yeah it's totally not therefore what happened but you think yeah

[00:45:05] it's a shame they absolutely deserve that moment. Oh and so yeah well there's and you know people were turning up for it as well like genuine yeah I genuinely yeah I think they would but

[00:45:14] there's those boys are sore traumatized by that name and that band no of course I don't think they can ever even jump like I've seen Lee play in videos on Twitter lately like playing over

[00:45:25] the top there but I don't think you we get them all in a room to want to play those songs again I know it didn't some of members form another band then he played here last year nor

[00:45:32] the abortion that's great band yeah I remember going past the tent and yeah they were like people were spilling out so it's like people are here for them people are here for it yeah yeah they

[00:45:42] did no the abortion with Jeff Rick leave him Thursday yeah yeah great great two albums they've brought out but yeah what I give for one last last profits are are it'd be amazing it would be

[00:45:55] I get it they don't want to do it and I don't blame him now it'll give me wrong people will complain anyway people people would kick off about it yeah oh you yeah you

[00:46:07] it's gonna be like oh you played his songs again I was like no a playing they are songs yeah not it is like talking me wrong you wrote the you wrote the lyrics and stole most of the

[00:46:15] melodies but you know they are songs that made me who I am today and if you like me and you've liked any of my projects you all that like you don't know it but you all then yeah so yeah long live

[00:46:29] long live the rest of those boys you haven't identified them all for like yeah we ever start them right it's obviously the worst person who's ever tried to stab in because I would

[00:46:39] you take someone kid oh do you kidnap someone for six hours and stab them and they joined that sounds like he had a very cool shave literally yeah it sounds like you went to a barber

[00:46:48] it's more than he got stabbed by someone oh do you know how die of the six hours have been stabbed I know that's that's uh so if you listen to this right and you're the fellow star then be better sharpening

[00:47:05] can I put that out as the question? I don't care about him there's fine no one should move yeah moves some people do though apparently has visitors and he's got a lot of people

[00:47:16] I identify I'm fascinated by like sort of psychology and criminology you know I mean we're in podcasting right so like as an endless stream of true crime podcasts out there I'm with you that I

[00:47:27] can almost like make it linear straight line in my head sometimes of like how serial killers are doing what they're doing I can make sense of it oh yeah but it's the people that are like

[00:47:35] supporting them you're like you I don't understand like yeah that feels like I've always said these people they become almost they become cult figures the naif or doing the wrong things

[00:47:47] but they yeah I guess some people think they can change them or they can save them or they can maybe I like done to me yeah for any of them definitely definitely not one of

[00:47:59] more positive now see yeah probably better yeah quite a client I just want to ask you what's been one of your favorite experiences uh being an festival because you sound like you're somebody's gonna have a lot of them I can't say what I was going to say then

[00:48:19] you're the second one I've got a series story and I'm gonna be like you know I can't say because it just sounds like I'm bragging about having sex so yeah um first festival experience PG 13 what I think download 20 23 for the black out

[00:48:40] just yeah first kickback yeah and we didn't outtend was my outtend was the avalanche stage rich yeah it's close at a slam dunk and it is download even when I was in download yeah

[00:48:52] so the fact that people walked over to our stage if I know no longer our walk was before okay I would have ran off stage and shook everybody's hand who came to our stage

[00:49:01] because it was so far away I didn't I never thought anyone was gonna come but it was amazing we had a great day and yeah we just thought people wouldn't care and they did

[00:49:11] so uh that was a good one um lovely um one of the festival oh use a good one I saw Greg put putchiato I think that's his name I'm talking to him later on so I better

[00:49:27] do it in there between now and then he's in bed all of us he's also in Dylan Jynosuke plan oh nice okay so in 2000 two or someone like I went to red in Dylan'suke

[00:49:38] bound on the main stage but they just released an EP with Mike Patton right so me my friends are like they're on the main stage because they got Patton obviously we turned up no Patton

[00:49:47] but Greg turns up all front Dylan Jynosuke he then drops his trousers turn drowned cameraman zooms in on his bum all right he has a pool into a bag and then he'll also

[00:49:59] up and goes every other band on this stage is this a bag of and then he threw it into the coat through it back he smudded it all over himself and jumped back in the coat and I thought

[00:50:10] wow I like her I like what he's done there that's wild so that's the best thing I've seen it're a festival wow previous statements about our happy I was when the black coat got back together

[00:50:19] and me thinking about the time I um had uh intercourse with the girl incarnate all in spot French so that's an interesting experience yeah I don't know I would I'm not a French

[00:50:33] I as you can tell I can hardly speak English it was the Mullet it was what they said I didn't have the Mullet at the time she didn't have the nine so I had a big friend Joss

[00:50:40] probably I didn't have my face so she couldn't see half my face so that's how you get him good excuse for sorry that's fine I'm not sorry you think I'd be better this I'm my own one but no I just

[00:50:54] talked to much on other people there's no such thing as talking too much on a podcast as you as you know wow no no because listen for one editing um but for another like it is you know it's

[00:51:04] more of a problem when someone doesn't talk when they just yeah like you said one word answers all it just sit quietly for like a few minutes and you kind of get my front and there's rather

[00:51:12] than one word I give 70,000 word answers about topics nor would they ask for 10 minutes ago and I said sure it's ADHD I'm riddled yeah I thought you was old and riddled with ADHD

[00:51:24] who the thought is no always lit I've taken him enough for your time I just want to say thank you so much for coming on that I you know what you mean is Sean look I couldn't possibly carry this

[00:51:34] on any longer and I was fine thank you very much for having me I really really genuinely appreciate there thank you good luck with everything cheers and I hope that you get Jesus Christ any podcast

[00:51:45] because I'd be good well no I would but if you had the first one that's with Jesus since he's fact that feels yeah that feels like a good goal at hand of yeah so yeah good luck

[00:51:54] if not I'll settle for much money oh yeah I'm sorry thank you thank you I'm massive thank you there to Sean Smith for coming on to the podcast and sharing your amazing experiences both on and off the stage I really do appreciate it as I said at

[00:52:11] the top of the show if you've not already heard of his podcast or his bands de-self of favor and change that I've left links in the show notes you can find out more about satin in podcast

[00:52:19] as well as the blackout and raiders both bands are well worth checking out and the podcast is absolutely incredible really is I'm not just saying that because he was kind enough to come on the show

[00:52:29] he really is fantastic what he does hey man Morgan works so hard behind the scenes to get some incredible guests so have a die through a guarantee if you like this episode or if you're like

[00:52:39] anything that I've been doing recently with the podcast you're gonna absolutely love satin so again links are in the show notes you can find out more i'm massive thank you again to the guys that the good does goal group for helping me out with the festival that's

[00:52:52] hailey holly and matt and a big thank you to mark what jack friend of the show and potential saboteur of this episode I mean I couldn't prove it but hmm anyway he did absolutely fantastic work

[00:53:04] at the festival as I've mentioned in previous episode so go and check out Mark and me I also want to give a massive thank you to you dear listener for listening to this episode I'm an independent

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[00:54:59] it was absolutely brilliant and I'm looking forward to doing some more in-person interviews very soon so stay tuned for more information about that in the upcoming weeks but until then I have a brand new many season few to enjoy and the theme for this season is independent filmmaking

[00:55:17] I've had some fantastic guests coming on talking to me all about their experiences creating films it's been a wonderful series of conversations that I cannot wait to share with you all very soon

[00:55:28] in fact the first episode I'll be putting out on Monday the 5th August at a round midday so make sure that you subscribe follow whatever it is you have to do so that you do not miss out on

[00:55:38] those episodes trust me they are absolutely fantastic thank you so much again for listening to this episode be sure to check out the links in the show notes to find out more about

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