ArcTanGent Festival - Off The Stage with Daniel P Carter, Ben from Skip to the End feat Macca, The Scene & Serpent Temple Podcast

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture one conversation at a time. I am your host, Harley.

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[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the second episode of Off The Stage at the ArcTanGent Festival.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: This is in fact the final episode from my time at the ArcTanGent Festival where I got to speak to bands,

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_05]: got to speak to charities and nonprofits.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And in this episode, I got to speak to some wonderful people behind the scenes at the festival.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: In this episode, I'm joined by a returning guest of the podcast, Ben from Skip to the End and his good friend Macca,

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: The Scene Magazine and Radio Show,

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the Serpent Temple Podcast and the one and only Daniel P Carter.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It was an absolute delight to talk to all of these guys.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I got some really fascinating stories and insights into life behind the scenes at a music festival.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sure you guys are going to absolutely love them.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: As always, I've left links in the show notes so you can find out more about each guest and the work that they do outside of the festival.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's just get to it.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: This is Off The Stage at the ArcTanGent Festival with Ben from Skip to the End and his good friend Macca,

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: The Scene, Serpent Temple and Daniel P Carter.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, Ben and Macca and welcome to the Fundamentals podcast or I should say welcome back, Ben.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you. Yeah, it's been a couple of years since I was last on, but thank you for having me back.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's my pleasure. It was nice to bump into you.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I wasn't expecting that.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Me neither. He just walked past me at the bar.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I know that guy.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Cheeky text to Marcus.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Ben's definitely here, isn't he?

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not just me imagining it.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine if you just got up to some random guy.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing? Who? What?

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it did cross my mind.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, thank you both for coming on.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's nice to meet you, Macca.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and you. Thank you very much for inviting us.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, absolutely, mate.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, something I've been exploring with everybody I have on for these episodes is basically going back to people's festival origins.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So I want to know what was the first festival that you guys went to?

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember?

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is quite interesting.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been a dyed in the wool music fan, especially heavy music, ever since I was, I don't know, 12, 13.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't go to my first festival until about 10 years ago.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was in my early 30s.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a bit of a clean freak.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like being out.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't really like being outdoors, full stop, but I certainly don't like sleeping outdoors.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was dead against it.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And then a friend of mine, he got married and for his stag do, he had his stag do at Sonosphere.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I believe it was the last year of Sonosphere before that went kaput.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we went to the festival.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Great, great time, great weather, great bands.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And once I had enough beers in me, I stopped caring about sleeping outside.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And from that point forward, I was like, well, I'm about this now.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And since then, I've been to several downloads, several art tangents, several blood stocks.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm definitely definitely a festival guy now.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think my story is a little bit a little bit different from as long as I can remember, just wanted to be out in the house.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So the first festival was maybe 15, 16 Birmingham punks picnic, Darby punks picnic.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So lots of underground DIY things, sleeping on their floors in lock-ins and things like that.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think maybe I think it's either 99 or 2000 went to Reading.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was the first big one and it was the Snipknot blade.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was absolutely huge for me going to something from normally it's venues on the top of a pub to something that big.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I sort of think of off music, but just didn't really involve myself in it for a long time.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Went to a couple, there was a couple in Holland that went to very, very sort of DIY punk festivals there.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we saw this one pop up and I thought, well, let's get back into it.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure got a few more years in my back left in me to sleep in a tent.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, here we are.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: This is our third time at Art Tangent in a row.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I can't see it ending anytime soon.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: We love it here.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Brilliant. Yeah, and I can see why, because it's yeah, that people know.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_05]: This is for anyone who actually was listening doesn't know.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the sister festival in many ways to 2003.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a very similar setup.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a very just family friendly, nice vibe.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone here seems pretty chill.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, everyone seems to get on and camping these days, guys, you can find comfortable ways to camp.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. It's not sort of like it was 20 years ago.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It was, you know, all you have was just a crappy air mattress and a sleeping bag.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. The camping element is fine.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We've both got, you know, you've got a camp bed, haven't you, Maggar?

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a really good quality air mattress.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So the camping bit is not the difficulty.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just standing up for hours on end.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We are officially middle aged men now.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We're in our 40s and my dogs are barking.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my back is absolutely howling.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We've both just been using freeze spray on our backs.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We've just been now, they're spraying each other.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds very romantic, isn't it?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That's true friendship.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And to be fair, there's quite a lot of seating around here.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you know, you guys are saying that.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the improvements Ben mentioned.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the floor and normally, you know, famous for the rain.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We've been quite lucky, but yeah, it slowly crept on more and more seating, which is great.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's definitely useful.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So something I've been exploring everyone is their memories,

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: their favorite experiences of playing, of going to festivals, I should say.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, you guys, you've had quite different experiences.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious, what are some of your standouts from your festival going?

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that I think of first is when I saw Black Sabbath at Download.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a lifelong Black Sabbath fan, one of the greatest bands of all time.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And the day they played at Download, it was in the middle of a thunder and lightning storm.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people are like, oh no, this is ruining it.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You want nice sunny day when you're at a festival.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, no, dude, this is Sabbath with thunder and lightning going off.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Why we're watching Sabbath?

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: This is perfect.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the first thing I think of when I think of festival experience.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Was that 2016?

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Was that last one they played?

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's right.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was there.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That was a soggy, soggy weekend.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It really was.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But I know you mean there's something very metal about that at the same time.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think for me it's probably slightly different.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going back into music and coming back to,

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: well, coming to Arts Anger for the first time.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Van Colt of Luna I've wanted to see him for ages.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never quite managed to see him.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So based on our base coming here on seeing them

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and then seeing them play for sort of an hour and a half just face melting, post-metal.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just an unbelievable experience.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Just every single look that seemed like every single person,

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the whole festival was in that tent at that time.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just an unbelievable sort of experience to sort of just come back to a festival.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Loads of people, especially after lockdown as well,

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: whenever I was feeling a little bit weird about going out in the public.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So for me that absolutely sticks in my mind as a bit of an absolute.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, right, I'm going to do this a lot more now.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Take the chances.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't sit at home.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to music on your Alexa or whatever.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Actually get out there and go back into live music.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think since then we've been going to a lot more gigs.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We have, yeah.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot more together because we've always gone to gigs separately.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got slightly different tastes in music.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the great thing about this place, it caters for everyone.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a bit of a catchall if you're into sort of the

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: weird aside of metal or punk or noise or whatever it is you're into.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that kind of leads me into something that

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it's been like a running theme actually of all my conversations.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: People on and off the stage is the appeal of coming to festivals

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's what you just hit upon, which is the fact that there's variety.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So like you say, you can come with your mates,

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: you can come as an artist and you can kind of just think

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: people are here just to hear music full stop.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So it doesn't matter what you're into really.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You can just find something or discover something new, right?

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's it.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: There are certain festivals that cater to specific niches

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like Techfest for example, and that's great.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a place for those and I certainly attended niche festivals before,

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but like Macca just said there, the broad appeal of this,

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: if you like slightly avant-garde, quirky rock and metal,

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: this is the place for you.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And something that Macca often talks about is that you can meet someone

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: at Arktangent and talk to them about their festival experience.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And they've basically had a completely different festival to you.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You speak to someone at the bar and you've been here for three days

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and you haven't seen one of the same bands

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's not as if there's a huge amount of bands playing,

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but you've tailored it and a lot of people here

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: because they're sort of into music, like musos if you will,

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: they probably listen to everything on there.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like clockwork, people going from one tent to another

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and you really can see someone every single day

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and not have seen the same band as them.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: With four tents being so close, I think that really helps

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and with the size of the festival,

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it just means you can get around quicker

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and this place runs like clockwork.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: If they're saying they're playing at 3.35, they are on at 3.35.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're never missing anything at all.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone sticks to their set

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think that's what they're after here

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think after probably 10 years,

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: they've absolutely hit the nail on the head with it.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They've nailed it, haven't they?

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing, amazing.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious, Ben, what got you over the line to go to festivals

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: and what made you kind of rip the band-aid off

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and think I'm just going to do it?

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It was purely because it was my main stag do.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: That was literally it.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if I hadn't have gone,

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I probably would have never spoken to my friend again.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He would have disowned me.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I've already lost one friend

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: because I wouldn't get to Spain for his wedding.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not losing another one

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: because I won't sleep in a tent for a festival.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: You wouldn't go to Spain?

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not taking time off work for someone else's party.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you missing out, mate?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Screw that.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't my wedding, that's for sure.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have tried to get it screaming if it happened.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I was going to say.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise, this would be a very frosty conversation.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Digging up old wounds.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's cool.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So I guess once that happened, then you were like...

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I see what the fuss is about.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I realized immediately that I'd wasted my life.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That I could have been going to festivals for like 20 years

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and what a fool I was.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh man.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_05]: What have been some nice surprises

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that you guys have had at festivals?

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever sort of gone along and thought,

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe there's like a band that you're like,

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure I really get them.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you see them at a festival, for example,

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_05]: or something like that,

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: or discovering something new.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's interesting.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think for me it's sort of realizing

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't just like one lane of music.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: My music's always been like Everton.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben and I go back years.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We've known each other since we were 12.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as I found D-Beat and Crust at about 14, 15,

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that was it for about 15 years.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't really even get into metal

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: until probably my late 20s, early 30s.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I've always thought with festivals,

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to go to one.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So one that I went to before in Holland

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: was called Trash Fest.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just hardcore, Crust, D-Beat,

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: for probably 300 bands all playing 12-minute sets

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's how long four albums are.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it was just that.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I really enjoy this.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's always something missing.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So actually coming to the festival

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and realizing that you can just wander into a tent.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And whether or not it's for you, it doesn't matter.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's, I keep going back to lockdown,

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think that's the thing.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just enjoying being in the moment.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And something Ben's always said to me is,

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: live music's like music.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You can not even like the band,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but you can get swept up with it.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you can go and sit down and go, that's not for me.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm glad I left the house and met some new people,

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: had some fun.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's one of the big realizations for me is,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: even if there's only four or five bands

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: on a whole lineup, you're going to have an amazing time.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I echo that.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty close-minded when it comes to my musical choices.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm at home listening to music,

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I tend to listen to the same bands over and over again.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's my own fault.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But then when I come to a festival,

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I do just wander into a tent randomly

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: because I can hear a riff going on in the background.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds interesting.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And before I know it, I've got a new favorite band.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Brilliant.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a perfect place to do it.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It really is.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say about Arxanxion,

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you're finding your new favorite band

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: probably two years before you were meant

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to find it in the real world.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many bands you come and see.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden you're like,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, they're amazing.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, going to go in there,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to buy the merch, I'm going to support them.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when they're playing,

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: so this band last year called Grief Ritual,

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: who neither of us had heard of,

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to be playing in Leic,

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, we've got to go

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: because they blew our minds there.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just sort of follow them through

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: because especially early on in the day,

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: especially in sort of the 11, 12 o'clock slots,

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: these are bands that, you know,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: they're thanking James for giving them a chance

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to come here.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's quite an amazing thing.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it just means that, yeah,

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you're getting in right in the ground floor

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with a lot of bands.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But then also seeing bands you've wanted to see

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: for 10, 15 years.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's sort of the perfect breeding ground

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: for scratching the itch of seeing the big ones

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and then also finding new bands.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: A perfect example of that for me was last year

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: we were just walking past a tent

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and we heard a riff going

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and it sounded a bit mastodon-ish.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So we were like, let's pop in here,

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: see who this is.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was Cobra the Impaler,

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: who I'd never heard of.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty young, relatively new band from Belgium.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I then went home, listened to them,

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: started to get into them.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They released a new album a few weeks ago

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's absolutely brilliant.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They played again this year

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and they were incredible, weren't they?

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's year on year.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So I know you've just interviewed LLN.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen them two or three times.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And their gig last night was light years ahead

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: of what it was a year ago.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that was light years ahead

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: of what it was a year before that.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So seeing them in three years now,

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: commanding the stage, absolutely smashing it

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: from what they...

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're always good band,

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but now it's just the stage command

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: they've got as well, which is unbelievable.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think playing festival like this repeatedly

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: is invaluable learning experience

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're playing to big,

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: sizable crowds, in sizable tents,

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but the Art Tangent fan base is so open

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and want to support you and want you to do well.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're looking at a sea of faces

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: who may have never heard you before,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but they're supporting you.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going along with it.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it is teaching these bands stagecraft

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: and playing to these big audiences

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that they might not anywhere else.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you've mentioned there

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: the audience wants you to do well.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's willing you across the line.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And if ever there's a bad set,

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: instantly they blame the sound.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's never the bad, it's always the sound.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so different to other...

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Any other festival I've been to,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: if the sound's bad, they're like,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, that band's bad, not here.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like defend the band and tell them sound people off.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a very good point.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So something I've been asking everybody,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'm curious about this

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: because I think you're both going to have

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: very different answers to this question.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: If you were to have your own festival,

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to know what's it called

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and who are your three dream headliners?

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: You can have anyone you want dead or alive.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude.

[00:14:41] Mmm.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That is...

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It stumps a lot of people.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That is really tough,

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: especially with my short-term memory.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It would probably be the last three bands I saw it.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So my dream...

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The name, I'm useless at.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Names are fine.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You can ask Mark from Skip to the End podcast

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: how terrible I am.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He comes up with all the names for things

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because I'm useless at it.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But my three favorite bands of all time,

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: who I think are relatively complementary,

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: could work on the same bill.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Mastodon, Deftones, Queens of the Stone Age.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Love it.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: To see those three headlining on one show,

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be all about it.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And to be fair, that's three bands

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: that should be headlining most festivals.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: They've got the back catalog,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: they've got the stage presence.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Love that.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: How about yourself, Mark?

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably very, very similar vein to that,

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but I would definitely throw in

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Cult of Luna for me.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's lovely.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Just as like the music they play,

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the way that they play,

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the way that they attack it from song number one,

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'd...

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Go for it.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You get a lot of people in for the bigger names

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and then they'd sort of knock it out in the park

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and sort of send them into the Strat's Faire.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to throw in Kajira as well,

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: just because it's so topical, isn't it?

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So topical.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, mate.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird that they've...

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: They announce all the Darlings are met

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: when they're quite proggy,

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: they're quite technical.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really cool to see that a band like that

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: are now top of everyone's bill.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Headlining Bloodstock next year now.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I know where I'll be headed next year.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, do so.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting that.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have sworn Downlow

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: would have just absolutely snapped them up.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Snap me a virus or something.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think, yeah, who knows?

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they'll be going after that,

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think they're definitely heading for the Stratus Faire now, aren't they?

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And well deserved.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: 100%.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Love it.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Guys, thank you so much for coming on.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for having us.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: My pleasure.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, Kelly and Tom,

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and welcome to the Fundamentals podcast.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having us.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's my pleasure.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's nice to meet you guys.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so nice to meet you.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You too.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Lovely.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So why don't you guys introduce yourselves,

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_05]: who you are, what you do,

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and yeah, why you're here at the festival.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm Kelly.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Tom.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And we own The Scene.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we started a company called Scene Music Media

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and we started a magazine and radio show called The Scene,

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: which means we might start more verticals

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and more publications of different names,

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't know about that.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: What do we do?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We started under total whim,

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: summer of 2023.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I suggested to Tom that he start a podcast

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: for a totally different venture in our future.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to restart YouTube.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He was going to start a podcast

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: for something completely unrelated to music.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Then what happened, Tom?

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Then I emailed the local FM radio station saying,

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I was interested in seeing if we could do a show

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: or something like that.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: They got back to me and yeah,

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and it suddenly snowballed from there really quickly.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Got the radio show, then Kelly realized

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: we're getting all these press releases and stuff,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: we should do something with them.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You got an email on all the press lists,

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: all the radio lists.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I have a background

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: used to work for a big publication in the States

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and thought, well, if we're getting music,

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it'd be rude not to cover it.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So started a magazine,

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: digital magazine made on Squarespace in a week.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Because in my day job,

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I do brand and marketing and he does marketing.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just had the skills.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Some transferable skills for sure.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Started it and started writing about music

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that we already had and liked.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And now we get 10,000 plus visitors a month

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and we don't really know what's going on.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on is I think you found your niche.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I sure did.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was telling you before

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that it all changed and pivoted for us

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: where we were going through some tough stuff in life.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: We still are.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And we needed a mindset shift.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And so instead of, I don't know, thinking

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: we live in the middle of nowhere Wiltshire.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Our village has 900 people in it.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep. Okay.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And there is no scene.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to drive an hour to a city

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that has any sort of scene if you're lucky.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And we could complain and moan

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: or we could participate

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and think of how we might use our skills

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to facilitate others.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of moaning,

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: what was me?

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: What can I do to help someone else?

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Brilliant.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Love that.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Love that.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: How can we help build the scene?

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's called the scene.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And here you are, you know,

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_05]: look at the doors it's open.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we colored it pink and green

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because I just want to be a little scene kid again.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's funny.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That's cool.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: To be fair, there's,

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm aware it's going to sound like I'm taking the mic,

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'm not.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There is a scene for that, believe it or not.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, there is, there are, yeah,

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: there is, there is something about that.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's really cool.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So amazing.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And here you guys are chatting to bands,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_05]: doing press.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's incredible.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the two of us.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a team of photographers

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and contributing writers.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Lovely.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: How do we split things up?

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't know.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Really I do the radio

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I look off most of the liaisons with media companies

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and labels.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You do external relationships

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and I do internal relationships.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I got that corporate management experience.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Brilliant.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So what do you guys aim to do when you come to festivals then?

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it sort of put up reviews or just interview bands,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: find out what they're up to?

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the aim?

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: See as much as I can.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably first and foremost the aim,

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: just participate again, see everyone,

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: film as many clips of bands as I can.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: To share it later.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then talk to the people we like.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, talk to the people we like.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: This time we've got a photographer as well.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time we have our own photographer.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The press photography.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, sure.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do we go to festivals?

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was there.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It was there.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It was fun.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we live in Wiltshire and trees

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and this one are about an hour away from the house.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say, yeah, yeah.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So why not?

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, why not?

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Why not indeed?

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did we go to the first one?

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: A friend of ours was playing.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, first time, it was just Thousand Trees last year.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We knew one of the bands that were playing

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and I just put in the press application on a whim,

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: assuming we weren't going to get anything.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Then we got it and we're like, OK, let's do something.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We reached out to Big Scary Monsters and Alcapop

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: because we love those labels.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, nice.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Said can we talk to your people?

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They set up a bunch of stuff.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Did not know any of the bands.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Just faked my way through that.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm completely obsessed with those bands now.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Brilliant.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Utterly in love.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Started making some really good friends.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That was really easy.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: What was the first festival that you guys went to?

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember?

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Two Thousand Trees.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It was Two Thousand Trees.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: July 2023, we started June 10th, 2023.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We went to Trees July 14th, 2023.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We just celebrated our one year anniversary.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We put out a compilation CD for charity

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: with a bunch of music from all those bands

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that we've engaged with.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who's been part of the first year

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: contributed music for a compilation CD.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: How crazy is that?

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: That's wild, yeah.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing, amazing.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm curious.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Was that the first one that you guys ever went to

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: just attended as a fan of music?

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I've been going since I was 15, I think.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I went to Reading.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: We used to go to Reading every year for a while

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we suddenly felt like we were

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: the OA pensioners with all the youth.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I hadn't been to a festival, I think, since...

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You went to Glastonbury as a kid?

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was trying to think, like,

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: had a big gap.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was like the 40th anniversary

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: of Glastonbury Festival and then it

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: didn't really go to another one, Two Thousand Trees.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we used to go all the time then.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It was my first UK festival.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I am American if that's not so obvious.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So did the whole Warped Tour thing.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And just hit that in as many cities as I could.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was not very many, but we love Warped Tour.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I used to do some charity work with...

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Should I write Love on Her Arms in the States?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And went to...

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: What the heck was it called?

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: There's something at The Gorge in Washington.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't remember what it's called.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so long ago.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've done that.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That was my only, like, one time

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: went to a weekend festival and stayed overnight and stuff.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Warped Tour is just one day.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: 8 a.m. to like 8 p.m.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You go hard in a parking lot.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It is the stuff of legends.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What a time.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So that actually leads me on to a question

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I've asked everybody and I'm curious for you guys.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_05]: What have been some of your favorite experiences

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: of going to festivals?

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Either as a punter or as press, whatever stands out to you.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We got to sit in the front for American football

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: at Trees last year.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That was so unexpected.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Whoa.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't even hard.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We just walked in and there was a spot.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So I stood there and it was amazing.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Bradley Hathaway sent me his book

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not released yet.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So we again don't really understand what's going on.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've gotten to interview two massive,

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: important musicians for me that I've been listening to

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: for half my life since I was 18.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of them sent me his book

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's working on finishing.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was supposed to be released this year

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and I asked him where is it going?

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, don't worry about it.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just send it to you.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I printed it on my own dime

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and I spent like 40 quid printing these books

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: just so I could read them.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I interviewed a guy named Thomas Dutton

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: who had a band called Forgive Durden

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in the 2000s out of Washington.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Okay.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: My dog is named after one of the characters in his album.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I love him so much.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a different project

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and I got to meet him like in a Zoom call

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like, this is my dog named after your music.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's so cool.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the things.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What about you?

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He's forming all relationships and meeting people

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and like the front man of my favorite band of all time

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: knows who we are by sight now.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We were at Trees this year

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and we saw them arriving in a car and he waved at us.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's that?

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Los Campesinos.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, right. Okay.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're like mates now.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one of them did tattoo us separately.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's totally different.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not just the big ones.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the smaller quote unquote smaller bands

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that aren't our long time favorites

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that we just have relationship with now.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's so touching and it's so exciting to see them.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It is.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so nice.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And just how quickly those things form, right?

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I was saying, in a couple of years

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you sort of feel like you can do that.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're friends.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cute.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No, but it's so funny because as I was saying too

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of just before we started recording,

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: like yeah, I got that from the last festival I did

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: even just then just chatting to different people

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and yeah, it just seems like these sort of things

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: are very much community.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Aren't they?

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So once you're in, you're in, you know,

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: as long as you treat everyone nice and get on and.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a thing today where increasingly we have less,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a strange thing to say.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Increasingly we have a decreasing amount of community

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's something I really notice about this country.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, I'm gonna.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_08]: No, go for it.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different way that people engage

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: than in the Saints.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We can go very long in depth about that.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a struggle to find community and build community

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and as everyone's very insular and on their phones

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and in their homes.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, coming to places like this is exhausting and dirty

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and communal at the same time

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and really beautiful for all of those things.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a really interesting observation.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, do you agree with that?

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: That's all.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think so.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I do.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Does he have a choice?

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a test.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: We try to do other things as well as try to form a community

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: show home.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We kind of moved to a smaller area and yeah,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: nothing was really worth it.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: We joined the local parish council for a bit and it was

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: nothing was really working.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We feel a bit more connected with music stuff like.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: A bit more, way more.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Way more connected.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, sure, sure.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: We turn up to gigs and people know who we are

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's nice.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the bands but even the people meeting you

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and now I know your face.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Same.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna see everything.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got May over here that we see at every festival

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's just so great to catch up with nice people

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: doing cool nice things.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's very true.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Participating and facilitating the scene.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go, there you go.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It comes back around.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So something I've been sort of asking everybody

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'm curious for you guys because obviously big music

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: lovers.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna find this question really hard

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: but if you were to have your own festival.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We think about this all the time.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here we go.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So you might be able to find, oh you might actually

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: find this easy then.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to know what would you call it

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and who are your three dream headliners?

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You can have anyone you want.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate this so much.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got an answer.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you still have a written down?

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I've written it down somewhere.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you've got your phone in.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Why did we talk about this?

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It's before the Drunk Box launch.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We just had a launch where we had to answer this question

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and I said Shania Twain, see the t-shirt.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Folds and who else did I say?

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Paramore you said.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Paramore, yeah.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is so, Sains Paramore like the other two

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: are totally not of this, our tangent,

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: two thousand trees alternative music world.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's no wrong answer though

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: and Shania Twain and Paramore,

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: not the first time they've come up

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_05]: in my discussions with people.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I try and be diverse.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Shania Twain was my first CD when I was eight years old.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh okay, nice.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Folds was, I came across Ben Folds when I was 12.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Should not have been listening to him at 12.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Totally changed my perception of everything

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that is really shifting, altering.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Paramore, are you kidding me?

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Haley Williams, I think we'd be best friends.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: What can you even say?

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh it's true, yeah no.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the best bands out there for sure.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: She's incredible, they're all incredible.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and quite a diverse range of music as well.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's such an interesting set.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Every new album, they've got a new influence

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and they transition between,

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they have transitioned from the like 2000s bump punk

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: riot era to this like vibey 70s, totally different.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's just incredible.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It is, it is.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote down Lost Come To See Us,

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: the starting line and American Football.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard because I could also say

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The Rocket Summer, forgive Jalen.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a million answers you can have,

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_05]: but no I like it and it's just again no wrong answer.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_05]: There's all sorts of different ones that come up.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, yeah like I said Shania Twain came up once.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, yeah it reminds me of I saw a band

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_05]: supporting Trivium, hence my shirt.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah was it this year, last year?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah last September and Bleed From Within,

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: if you're familiar with them,

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_05]: like a proper hardcore British heavy metal band

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_05]: had Shania Twain as their walk-on song.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Hell yeah they did.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And an entire room full of metalheads.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It's fine, an entire room full of metalheads

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: were just singing along.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's great tunes.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't deny that, she's so cool.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's my point.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She was such a big deal in the 90s to be a prominent woman

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: being sexual and sexualized and leaning into it,

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: using it to her advantage and at the same time

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about how her,

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: she's the one who came home had a hard day.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Honey, pour me a cold one.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean I'm the breadwinner so sort it out.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: 100% and yeah and again just a variety of music.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's what you gotta have,

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: it's what you gotta have at the festival.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it, I love it.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: What about name?

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you guys got a name for it?

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh we talk about this because we wanna start a festival.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we wanna put it out into the world?

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't have to if you don't want to keep that under wraps.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Would you call it anything else other than the thing that we're gonna call it?

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think so.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Scene Fest, that's bad.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a whole project utterly unrelated to this

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: which is how this weirdly came about

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and we know what it's gonna be called

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're gonna set up a studio at that as well.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it'd be great to start a festival.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean even what ATG started is a couple of teen tents and you know no...

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Trees start up with literally just the forest.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_05]: That was it.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: All you need is what?

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: A stage, you don't even need a stage.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need amps.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You just need a group of people that come together and be like...

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It is existence.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I agree.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay well so we got something to watch out for them

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: from you guys potentially in the future.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah give me another like year or two.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say the rate you're going yeah

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: this time next year I'll see you and you'll be like

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah we've got this now.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's the idea.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I genuinely love it.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Guys thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for having us.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: My pleasure.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: This is so cool.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello Nina and Shem and welcome to the Founder Mentals podcast.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Hello.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for having us.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes thank you.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Guys why don't you introduce yourselves in your podcast

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and what you're doing here at Art Tangent?

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I'm Nina as you already know

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: so we're here in many capacities.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Mainly we have a podcast called Serpent Temple

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: where we use side card readings to talk to bands

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like musicians and industry people.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a really interesting way to get to know folks.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's similar to Taro but it's like a more psychological approach

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: based on the Jungian archetypes.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We're also musicians so we're in a band called Loan.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So Shem is a guitarist, I'm a singer.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like Balthroar meets Dead Can Dance

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: so it's Middle Eastern progressive doom metal

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: is the best way to describe it.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We have an album coming out in October.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: October 4th.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Do Not Go To War With The Demons of Mazandaran.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow that's quite yeah that's a lot to take in.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: No I like it.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Fascinating.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay so yeah I guess in the capacity

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: of this specific festival then you just hear interviewing people

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_05]: for your podcast or are you guys playing at any point?

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not playing here.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Not yet.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds like the perfect fit for something like this festival

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: so I think you'd yeah I think you'd be surprised.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We would love to play this festival yeah we really love the bookings

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that eclectic bands a lot of genres that we really love and adore

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and it would be an honor to be booked for something like this

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but obviously it's not something we expect necessarily.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay well we'll keep an eye out on the future we'll see.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah have you found it doing press here so far?

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Is this your first time doing it?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Our second.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes we love the vibe here.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We've done we've gone to a lot of festivals.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been going to festivals since 2007 2008.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Um usually several a year so I have quite a few under my belt

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is really one of the best British festivals I think.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah so what was the first festival you went to do you remember?

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sonosphere.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh wow okay.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They had the big four was a yeah it was a good year.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That's yeah that's a very good year yeah that's come up a couple of times in my

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_05]: interviews I'm very jealous every time someone brings up

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_05]: wish I went to that one.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I went to all of them and they were running yeah.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah actually how long did that last because that wasn't very long was it Sonosphere?

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It was only about four or five years.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah they got some absolute massive headliners isn't they?

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Incredible lineups but I think basically Download was too big a competitor for them

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and like I think the lineups were too expensive on Unwieldy I think

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: they were fantastic really really good.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah well fair play for getting in how about you Shem?

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I never went to that many festivals I think too I think the first festival I went to

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Ozfest so before Download it was Ozfest and it was still at Donington Park and that was like

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: my cousin just had a free ticket and I got a ride up there I was quite young

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like 14 or something 16 maybe.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Lovely.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was great yeah so I just yeah just got stuck in and just had a wild weekend

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been involved in the music scene ever since mostly in bands and stuff.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah amazing do you remember who was headlining your first festival?

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember who was headlining on the day?

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_06]: No I don't know I'm not really a headline band guy to be honest.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He's an underground band?

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah I'm an underground guy I'm always checking out people in the smaller tents

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_06]: and stuff like that I think it was like Tool and like System of a Down were playing

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_06]: probably bigger bands as well but again I was more interested in like

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: American Headcharge was the band I really wanted to see back there.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh really?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah they were great yeah.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright that rings a bell actually yeah yeah there you go I like that that's a nice idea

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and I suppose that's some of the beauty isn't it festivals is being able to go around

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and check out smaller bands or like people that maybe have just for the very first time

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: stepped out into the big wide world of music so giving them some support that's brilliant

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: love it.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious what have been some of your favorite memories from playing

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: or festivals or being at festivals rather?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow that's a good one I mean not a specific one but the amount of surreal stuff that you see at

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: festivals I've seen some really weird things and I love that I think you see the sort of

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: colorful side of human nature at festivals.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely that's a nice way of putting it yeah you know I agree I agree you do

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_06]: see some really cool stuff yeah how about you Shane?

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the more prevalent social media has become kind of people are less

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: people hang out less in person but that the when you step into a festival and you have like no

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_06]: phone signal you kind of get to sidestep that so like when we're here we sometimes can't make

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_06]: more than 10 paces before we bump into someone we know like whether it's someone from a band

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_06]: or an old friend or someone I haven't seen in years so I just I just really love catching

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_06]: up with people and that's just really I do a lot of socializing over the weekend I'm here

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_06]: as well as seeing bands and sometimes you fully intend to go and see a band and you

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_06]: never even make it to their set because you end up just sitting down talking to someone

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I love that too that's great it's really great so yeah something I'm curious then is

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of about the appeal of going to a festival whether it is you know like yourself you're

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: your artist you get to do it or coming and bringing your podcast to it what do you guys

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: enjoy about it? I mean I feel like we've touched on a few things already but is there

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: anything else that stands out to you? I mean we're extremely passionate about music

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: it's how we met we met at a metal show in the front row because we really loved a band

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's how we formed our own band but for me festivals it's always been like a really

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: great place to connect with people even if you never see them again and that sense of connection

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that you feel with just people who have the same interests as you or similar ones in the

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: same place it's a bit special I think it's like yeah we don't live in like a religious

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: society anymore and I think this is the closest thing that we have to sort of having

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like a little pilgrimage everyone when you see people going to the same festival in the

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: way out that you get a little sense of like a spark of something special and then when you're

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: all there like last night for Meshuggah we had to leave but we saw everyone piling into the

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: festival yeah streams of people emerging from the darkness and it was really uh it was quite

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: surreal and I think it's really special to see people appreciating culture and music in that

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_06]: way and something that we love too yeah really that shared perspective just looking at

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_06]: just witnessing something at the same time as a whole bunch of people is really special

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I think being a part of it it's uh it's very calming you know modern life can be quite

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_06]: hectic and there's a lot of a lot of stimuli and there's a lot of things you have to worry about

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: especially when you're like an adult whether it's like when your MOT is coming up for your car

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: the next bill you have to pay and stuff like that but yeah just stepping out of

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: the real world for a second it's a special kind of like a mental holiday you know it

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: is yeah I've had people say that like I had someone on yesterday who was saying that like

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: their heart rate comes down going to a festival and I was like that's fascinating yeah

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I could totally see why that would happen yeah actually on that note yeah what have you

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_05]: guys enjoyed about this festival is anyone you've caught or anyone you want to see anything

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: you're really excited about um well my one of my favorite bands is electric wizards ah nice

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I love baroness as well they were fantastic sigh were really good they had their kids on

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: stage it was very wholesome yeah I loved them some new discoveries a french band called

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: fange they were fantastic like really heavy industrial bits of hardcore and like nine inch

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: influences they're used in a really interesting way why it's e not a new discovery but a really

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: fantastic band for those myself yeah they're fantastic yeah they're really good yeah there's

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of really good bands here there are yeah and like you say I've got to say I'm quite

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: happy with the uh the eclectic side of it as well like trees are similar those you can argue

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: it's perhaps a bit more mainstream in that sense but the mix is so random at both festivals

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what it should be right you want to have a nice variety yeah definitely the catering is

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: great here as well so much better than I think any other festival I've been to apart from maybe

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: health in the UK yeah it's very good for the UK foods yeah yeah do you know again you're not

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: the first person to bring that up and I totally agree after having a wander around yesterday

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like nope there's some good options here I like it yeah so guys um my final question

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: for you it's my favorite question I'll ask anybody is if you were to have your own festival

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to know what's it called and who are your three dream headliners you can have anyone

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_06]: you want dead or alive you go first oh my god um uh I don't know it would probably have a very

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: metal name yeah uh I'd probably uh Bolt Thrower my favorite band so I'd bring them back I'd

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_06]: have Bolt Fest nice I know that's what I'm saying I'd bring Bolt Fest back and I'd help

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_06]: manage it nice I'd have Bolt Thrower headline I'd have Dying Feeters and uh oh god who

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_06]: else apart from that probably Opeth or Enslaved I think oh do you have to only have four three

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: three yeah I say three and then I'm like if you want to have a secret set for a fourth one you

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: can do that so difficult okay so I'd have Nine Inch Nails nice do you know they've come up

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: quite a bit recently I love Nine Inch Nails um I would have oh this is so hard I know top

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: of the head Nine Inch Nails definitely yeah it's whatever comes to your heart absolutely Baroness

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: secret set by Killing Joke oh okay love Killing Joke yeah yeah um so I have two more bands

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Electric Wizard because they're always great live and they'd be a really good counterpoint to Nine

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Inch Nails I think they would yeah it'd be quite fun so look I need a heavy a heavy option here

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: OST um I mean I'd resurrect Chuck and see Death play live and typo negative if I get

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: dead people

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: that's brilliant that's brilliant guys thank you so much for your time thank you so much

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_05]: hello Daniel welcome to the fundamentals podcast hey thank you for the fruit teller

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_07]: you're more than welcome if I make horrible mouth sounds while we're doing this

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I apologize now you go ahead that's absolutely fine that's what they're there for yeah really

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: appreciate you taking out the time man how's your festival experience been so far incredible

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah it's been my first ever Arc Tangent really so I've been to trees a bunch yeah yeah um

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_07]: but it always seemed like there was a ton of things happening around this time obviously

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah means festival season it's busy yeah yeah and I've never been able to make it out

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_07]: so I was very excited to actually have a clear bit in my diary nice yeah the thing is it's

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_07]: obviously sandwiched between two other festivals so I'm slowly I think I'm running on fumes at

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_05]: this point but it's fine right right yeah because you were your blood stock then last

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_07]: weekend yeah yeah blood stock and then uh the corn show Gunnersby Park of course yeah

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_07]: this and then it's Reading and Leeds next week oh wow and then uh what else heavy music awards

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah yeah for reading wow and then a couple of us festivals as well awesome you might

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: as well take the whole pack mate you're gonna need all the sugar you can get what that sounds

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_05]: incredible that's fruit teller other sweets are available yeah yeah exactly exactly um

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I guess I want to go back to the start for yourself with festivals I'd love

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to know what was the first festival that you went to do you remember it was reading

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah nice reading no of course well outside of yeah yeah yeah um and I want to say it was around

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_07]: bearing in mind I'm really old I think it was around 1987 okay okay all right I went for one

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_07]: day the Friday nice specifically to see a band called The Wonder Stuff lovely lovely did you

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_07]: play with anyone else when you were there yeah who else played that year I think it was uh

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if Iggy Pop was that year and there was oh no maybe it was the following

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_07]: year which was the first time I went for the weekend yeah I think and it was like Ramones

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Iggy Pop yeah uh trying to think Jesus Lizard wasn't that year I don't think okay but yeah

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_07]: like a ton of good stuff so reading's always been like my kind of even though I would say

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_07]: you know I have some favorite festivals which would be Trees now this one yeah Download and

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Bloodstock yeah Reading is always going to be the one that holds a really special place in

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: my heart just because of course I grew up yeah yeah brilliant and what a great first experience

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_07]: as well yeah yeah you know and um it was a weird time as well because I think that first

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_07]: year the festival was really transitioning a bit right from being this kind of kind of uh

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_07]: trad rock to being something a bit more uh a bit more interesting yeah yeah it's one I've watched

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of evolve over time you know you can pick certain eras right well like yeah yeah I mean

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah there's like there's been some I've seen some truly incredible stuff there obviously like

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Nirvana everyone talks about yeah incredible Jeff Buckley yeah and then uh the first Foo Fighters

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_07]: right um but then things like I remember like one year I can't remember the

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_07]: quote the lineup so I'm not don't quite me but it was something stupid it was like tool

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_07]: helmet uh-huh Rage Against the Machine yeah yeah maybe Rollin's fan was that weekend as well

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it was pretty sick yeah incredible yeah so I wonder then what's what have been some of

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_05]: your favorite experiences and going to festivals have you got any fond memories that stand out to

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you uh what as a punter or playing either or my friend yeah go for it you've got the range I mean

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_07]: you know like yeah playing Reading for the first time was was a big thing for me that we did

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_07]: that in 97 like yeah I just joined a band and we did like the Vans Warp tent because at that

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_07]: point it was yeah yeah the punk stage was still Vans yeah yeah um and then playing the

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_07]: stage in about 2000 or 2001 was kind of cool but but yeah there's this and Download Festival

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_07]: there's been some amazing ones like my last I guess last official band that I was in was a

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_07]: band called Crocodile and we played our first ever gig at Download really yeah after one

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_07]: rehearsal and it's and uh it was actually a weird one because the guitar player was on tour

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_07]: because he was a guitar tech at the time for Mastodon right okay so he only met the singer

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_07]: as we were pushing the gear onto the stage whoa okay the singer was uh he's actually in Bosque

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_07]: now he just played yeah okay um but yeah and then uh and then that guy the guitarist then

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_07]: joined Slipknot so as I do yeah it worked out well for him but yeah that was our first um

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_07]: was our first ever gig and Download were very cool they heard like some music like I'd played

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_07]: them some stuff and explained what was going on yeah like who was putting the record out and

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_07]: they were like yeah you can do that and um brilliant it really helped that Troy from Mastodon

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_07]: wore one of our t-shirts when Mastodon played the main stage because I think people were then

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_07]: like oh what is this yeah yeah so we had a really good like turnout in the tent so it was

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_07]: cool so that was a pretty special one yeah it sounds it man I mean yeah I can imagine going

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_05]: out like your first time your first after one rehearsal you're thinking what are we walking

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_05]: out into the pants yeah yeah but it was cool nice that's really cool man that's really cool

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so I'm curious and from your experience what have uh what have been some of the appeals

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: of going to festivals and playing right because there's something I've gotten into

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_05]: with a lot of artists people that have played as like being on the road touring with favorite

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_05]: bands I think most people can look at a band and see that side of it and say I understand that

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_07]: but going to festivals are completely different right yeah I think with festivals the thing

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_07]: that's so beautiful is that they're the points in the summer generally yeah when everyone

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_07]: can like convenes together so all the other tours are kind of because what you got to

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_07]: remember is when people are playing festivals they're generally in the middle of a tour yes

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_07]: those and they'll hit especially US bands they'll hit Europe yeah and do like a whole run of

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_07]: festival shows um and but they're the points where everyone gets to catch up with friends

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_07]: that they've not seen a long time which I which is something I still love uh even though

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not playing yeah it's just a chance to see people I've not seen in ages right yeah

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I call a Baroness the other day was yeah it's great to catch up with them and yeah yeah

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: awesome yeah Daniel that's something that a lot of people have brought up as well is like this

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_05]: sense of yeah community and being able to see people because yeah life on the road is hectic

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah it is and the thing is it's a bit like uh

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_07]: being on tour on a like with a band is a bit like being on a pirate ship

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_07]: right you have a group of people that are just kind of out yeah and seeing what life

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_07]: give them do you know what I mean yes yeah and

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_07]: amazing I know right yeah so those moments where everyone sort of is in like

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_07]: in the same port yeah I mean yeah it's like everyone catching up everyone's got great

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_07]: stories everyone kind of gives each other a bit of support yeah yeah it's beautiful

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: it is beautiful I love it my final question to you Daniel it's uh it's my favorite question

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_05]: to ask people at festivals if you were to have your own festival yeah I'd love to know

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: what's it called and who are your three dream headliners you can have any one you want dead

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_07]: or alive it would be uh two nice lining one night mm-hmm Kate Bush headlining another night

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_07]: okay and then the last night would be I don't know maybe I don't know

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe something like radio head doing all of okay computer wow okay yeah yeah I love that

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and quite an eclectic mix as well yeah really interesting I mean that's those to me are the

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_07]: best answers the ones where they're just all over the map yeah uh and as far as what they

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_07]: could call it I wouldn't care I'd be too busy enjoying it so that's fair that's fair we can

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_05]: lean into your podcast name or something people who aren't me playing yeah yeah there you go

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it yeah I mean side notes all tall did you catch them this year on the on the

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_05]: air at all blew my mind I'd never seen them before but it was wow yeah yeah uh I went with

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_05]: a friend of mine uh Mark would you our friend of the show and like yeah he was like you are

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_05]: gonna be different after you see this show and he was not wrong like it just blew my mind

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah so next level there's a few bands that are like that like Meshuggah last dude yeah

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_07]: did you go sick you were there for that yeah yeah but um yeah tools one like one of my

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_05]: times favorites yeah um just untouchable definitely yeah yeah and I don't know about you I loved the

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_05]: fact that they like call people out for phones and stuff and there was so much signage everywhere

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like just put them down to be in the moment yeah which is cool yeah because they put

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_05]: so much work into it so yeah I love it it's awesome but brilliant Daniel thank you so much

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: for your time man really appreciate it thanks cheers I'm gonna take one more fruitella go for

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: it a massive thank you there to Ben and Maka the scene serpent temple and Daniel Picarta for

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: coming on to the podcast and sharing your insights from life behind the scenes at a music

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_05]: festival as I said up top there is plenty to check out with each guest so make sure

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you head into the show notes we can find out more about their work pretty much everybody

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: on the podcast here today has their own podcast so there you go if you like podcasts

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[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's still there for you to check out if you've not heard of it or perhaps you haven't

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[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_05]: group for their help across the weekends helping out with all of these interviews without them

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: none of this would have been possible so again a huge thank you to you for your support and

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