BONUS EPISODE: A Conversation with Kid Bookie

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[00:00:40] Hello and welcome to a very special bonus episode of The Fandomentals Podcast.

[00:00:46] Earlier this week, I got to catch up with a previous guest of The Podcast, Kid Bookie.

[00:00:51] He's just put out a fantastic album which I highly encourage all of you to go and check

[00:00:56] out after this episode called Songs for the Living, Songs for the Dead.

[00:01:01] Kid Bookie was doing some promotional shows off the back of this album launch,

[00:01:04] and I was able to go and chat to him just before one of these shows.

[00:01:08] It was a really awesome opportunity and I'm very thankful to Harris for martial records

[00:01:12] for setting this up for me.

[00:01:14] Now, some of you may have noticed that the title of this episode is quite different from

[00:01:19] the usual format. Usually it's a certain topic with my guest. This episode as you'll see

[00:01:26] is called a conversation with Kid Bookie. That's because we started off by talking about

[00:01:31] his love for Lord of the Rings, but the conversation just flowed in so many different directions.

[00:01:38] In the end, I just decided to call this a conversation with Kid Bookie and I'm not complaining.

[00:01:43] I think it was a really good conversation. It was a lot of fun.

[00:01:46] I learned a lot about the guy and his views on life, the goals that he has outside of music

[00:01:50] and so much more. It's a really wonderful chat which I'm looking forward to sharing with all

[00:01:55] of you very soon. Just before we get into it, I should also note that we had some issues

[00:02:02] initially recording this because, well, basically the place we've recorded it in decided to

[00:02:06] play some very loud music most of the way through the chat. So it was a bit difficult to hear

[00:02:12] and initially I didn't think I'd be able to put this episode out. However, thanks to the

[00:02:18] internet, I was able to find some wonderful software from Isotope which they're not sponsoring

[00:02:24] me but I'm going to shout them out because they basically saved this episode. I was able to

[00:02:28] eliminate so much of the background noise and isolate the audio so you can hear it. So I'm going

[00:02:34] to say it up top. Thanks again to Isotope, the saving this episode. You guys are awesome. But enough

[00:02:40] from me, enough about the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of running a podcast. Let's just get to

[00:02:45] the episode. This is a conversation with Kid Bookie. Hello Kid Bookie and welcome back to the

[00:03:00] fundamentals podcast. Nice to see you again, May. How's things going since we last spoke?

[00:03:08] I guess a juxtaposition of good in music realm kind of kind of

[00:03:19] isn't it? Wow, yeah. Sorry to hear about the tour, man. I hope that hasn't last much longer.

[00:03:25] But you've got some good things to look forward to now, right? Yeah.

[00:03:28] Nice new album and doing all that stuff. Nice stuff, man. Nice to come up music out. See

[00:03:33] your fans. I'm really cool stuff and see that you've got a mad range of like, you know,

[00:03:39] elderly fans not elderly per se but all the fans are bringing the generations of their families

[00:03:44] to your shows and in young fans that bring their friends that are young too. So it's weird

[00:03:49] for the last week I've just seen a very nice contrast of a generation which is cool,

[00:03:55] weirdly crazy for me I guess. Yeah. Now I think there's something to that. I don't know

[00:03:59] about you. I noticed that more and more going to life gigs at like, yeah, there is something

[00:04:03] about that people just bringing a variety of people in is especially now we're in like a weird

[00:04:08] sort of nostalgia cycle. Yeah. And I go to a lot of gigs and I even at trees for example,

[00:04:12] you know, the people that would have been going for the last 10 years down they're bringing their kids

[00:04:16] and you're like, password. I never thought I'd be at a point of seeing kids and like you say

[00:04:20] multi generations at gigs but I'm really excited for you as well. Like being a relatively new artist

[00:04:25] like having that all of a sudden. Yeah. I guess to be, you know, well when people start I guess

[00:04:31] caring about what you do in a way. It's nice to see just nice to see the trajectory of the people.

[00:04:39] Yeah. But you've, you've related to absolutely dude. Absolutely. But I really appreciate you

[00:04:45] giving me the time of day just to sit down and chat again and I'm going to even caring to what

[00:04:49] me. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Like Harris reach out and I thought absolutely I'd love to have a

[00:04:53] chat again. And yeah as we were saying before I want to give you an opportunity to do some a bit

[00:04:57] different so chat and before you you float it that you're a big fan of Lord of the Rings. I

[00:05:02] genuinely want to look at it because I have touched on it like doing Peter Jackson as a topic

[00:05:07] obviously he's got lots of other films. So yeah I want to know what was your introduction

[00:05:11] of Lord of the Rings when did you first sit? Um being downloaded from Kazar Kazar okay in like

[00:05:19] like wherever year to 15, 2001 it came out and my dad having it and then thinking oh,

[00:05:25] do I see this movie coming home from two friends of the one to when what I've come home. Yeah

[00:05:35] I'm the fuck F in a screen and just thinking it and seeing that whole scene with a thingy so daughter

[00:05:44] yeah and she's running away from the hopefully you know the horseman. Yeah and I just stayed

[00:05:49] on my head so that's when I kind of I've never read the books and I still can't have

[00:05:53] and didn't want to hobbit but I don't know what the one two three of a link and part bloody

[00:06:00] Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings is a trilogy that I love to have. I love them and

[00:06:08] that's there's something about those net about that I love the magic of movies and cinema

[00:06:12] and it's kind of similar to music right if like when something just grabs you especially

[00:06:15] a quite a young age where you're like what is that and then you just you're sat there for

[00:06:21] the next several hours just transfixed with what's coming at you and yeah that's definitely something

[00:06:26] I feel like Lord of the Rings for sure I mean it one Oscar's for visual effects right for

[00:06:30] reason like so because I can't really do. No that's fine I was just saying like with Lord of

[00:06:34] the Rings it's like it makes sense that the visuals are grab you because it's a lot of winning

[00:06:38] visuals for sure. Oh yeah absolutely so there's something from then you just like kept revisiting

[00:06:43] and just like always do you know so I often have a marathon yeah yeah yeah me and my uh I want to do

[00:06:52] recently of my ex which was funny was this Queenways very we always randomly been just Lord of the Rings

[00:06:59] every now and again. So it was nice I was very still fresh in my head Lord of the Rings so I'm

[00:07:06] not going to visit it soon. Yeah I'm going to visit it shortly. Yeah actually wasn't there like a

[00:07:13] a recent like cinema really sub it. Yeah I could close it up but it's I don't know I don't

[00:07:19] know I didn't that's not that's it. It's very enough for fun yeah. I'll definitely watch it again soon.

[00:07:26] Yeah that's what I mean you liked for a little revisit on the big screen then if you had the chance.

[00:07:32] Do I like would you go and like rewatch it? Yeah I would I saw that comment what Fiona was

[00:07:38] not on the bell I don't know if it was independent today or something but I thought it was in

[00:07:42] I was just like oh yeah I don't know I'm a I'm a sort of average cinema experience go on.

[00:07:48] Yes I do know I watch Alien Romulus the other day in my own age you know it's incredible

[00:07:53] so like you know if there's this if there's a film I see and I love it definitely go.

[00:07:58] Yeah I have to ask would you make a Romulus or sort myself couple weeks ago?

[00:08:02] Four Romulus was incredible yeah I feel like people are like covenant but I feel covenant was great.

[00:08:09] Okay I think covenant was good it wasn't obviously Alien film was throughout the history

[00:08:14] so I've been kind of different and but I think it hit a weird turn up for me for you as

[00:08:19] and then covenant came and kind of for me saved it because I just thought it was so

[00:08:25] gory absolutely gory I think yeah that's true that's true but yeah cool me have it

[00:08:32] so one milus I went in with like expectations especially with what's it called at the end

[00:08:37] what's it what's the big beast called it's called not the orphan but um oh god yeah

[00:08:45] I can't remember what the name of this thing is but the growth forever yeah it's called something

[00:08:49] so introduce that character and it was incredible same that I don't ever hear I always went

[00:08:55] to some of my wife and I just teach her and I was just like draw open and think I'm not saying

[00:09:00] I'm just like I'm just bleeding from a vagina and stuff yeah like you say kind of the

[00:09:05] imagery in what you expect from Alien like you've been sort of watching any of them before but yeah

[00:09:10] crazy but yeah I'm with you man I feel like again Lord of the Rings is a great example of a series

[00:09:15] of films that really tap into a cinematic experience right like and again spoken about it with

[00:09:22] Peter Jackson like what he did so much bit being practical like I do you just sort of read a lot of

[00:09:30] room I do it fan fiction like sometimes you know update myself on the law of what's going on but

[00:09:39] I'm really like an average like searcher kind of just like I am depending on what is like for

[00:09:44] some people Jurassic Park number two I always for ways is why is he still a black so I was like

[00:09:50] okay how is his guys doing black I don't know what's explaining that this is like a full and

[00:09:54] white man so I'll you know that's I've really wanted to understand so I was like I'm

[00:09:58] so I kind of saw that he I didn't know they all this all these kind of theories as I was

[00:10:02] force funny yeah but there's not really black I don't know I just I don't know I probably have

[00:10:08] one or a younger she might have actively searching now so don't remember yeah yeah that's fair and

[00:10:14] I just love the films like I'm not I don't have the most like expansive knowledge on the law

[00:10:19] no that's fine and I do you know I'm something I love about having these conversations of people is

[00:10:23] I don't think you have to either you don't have to have like this is super in depth knowledge I think

[00:10:28] one of the keys is what you explain a minute ago having that reaction to like I don't know why

[00:10:34] but this is really grabbing man I want to know more so yeah I'm curious and do you sort of

[00:10:40] what do you enjoy about it then what is it they kind of keep you coming back to the progression

[00:10:45] of the the darkness in film okay how you know it's so it's so happy in the beginning yeah

[00:10:54] and then from that segment of happiness it just goes to a spiraling darkness for free films

[00:11:01] until the very end so this happiness and then at the very end is happiness but you do of the

[00:11:07] chronology versus torment and pain and no I don't know obviously a story narrative of um

[00:11:15] you know this man's journey to destroy this forsaken ring yeah well I don't think like yeah like

[00:11:22] no that you how invested you getting the characters Mary and Pippin how you know Samwise Gandhi

[00:11:28] makes your cry out Frodo yeah yeah Frodo could we know he's the testament of strength because

[00:11:34] he has to heal did most powerful object in mid a lot of at the time I go through the journey

[00:11:40] of what he can do to you you know how does he end up finding solace in friendship in this

[00:11:46] reaching like the like a human called golem all of it becomes your friend and then betrayers you

[00:11:52] oh no I think it's such a powerful story and um yeah yeah man I've lot of the things it's just

[00:12:00] that in his in his act guys it's probably just like one of the top films ever I think it isn't like

[00:12:04] a gross one yeah I think so yeah I think definitely those first three they blew all the records

[00:12:10] and rightly so still or I don't know about it anymore I'm turns out like highest grossing I think

[00:12:15] more awesome stuff yeah I think depressingly it's like if you look at now it's like avatar

[00:12:19] and in a bunch of marble movies and for some reason there is a remake of lying king which

[00:12:24] annoys me because yeah that made a billion like billion dollars so it's also yeah yeah that's

[00:12:31] the thing that you're like so hard so I'm memorable like so cool yeah exactly it's like really

[00:12:37] that one okay I don't remember it and I watched it as well yeah yeah so I think yeah but you're

[00:12:44] think it's one of those things where it seems to keep its cultural footprint I mean to the point

[00:12:49] now where there are like spin-off shows right and things like that and I think I heard someone's

[00:12:53] walking in the day that apparently um all underblown and the amicela and has like been recently

[00:13:00] asked you know would you go back and do more and they're like hell yeah we do it again you know

[00:13:04] and that's like the amicela now that's the thing he's in his 80s now so like I think his response was like

[00:13:09] better hurry up okay I'm sure you find this right making arm being collaborative it's like

[00:13:23] you've got to have a good work in relationships so the fact that all of those guys went through

[00:13:27] all of that doing it filming it back to back you know halfway I did like a couple years of film

[00:13:32] wasn't yeah and in fact like 20 years on the like oh yeah I'll do it all again

[00:13:36] but I would do the same yeah I'll be the same if I was in the auditoring is it such a you know

[00:13:42] such a big part of cultural history absolutely I love yourself just so big yeah it was a

[00:13:48] boy it's a born and open language to be studied and stuff like that yeah so I don't know

[00:13:52] what you I find that wild yeah well like you think that someone just created another language you

[00:13:58] know all for the talking right yeah it's all yeah talking I think of like um friend her but like

[00:14:03] June and stuff like that or um I think another one yeah there's loads of examples of that

[00:14:08] of people that create a world and create culture and society and language you're like that's mad

[00:14:15] like it's really you know I've a lesser bit of beauty being an alpha right kind of uh

[00:14:20] and so I'm putting in your world how it is yeah and then depicting it in like visual format

[00:14:25] and you get it right you know you get his suit started films I love it right

[00:14:30] would you ever want to write something like that yeah man right between me and my friends we

[00:14:34] write things out loud every day like we can join the most disgustingly through to the tormenting key

[00:14:41] and pill mixed over a little bit of hostile types scenario every day wow so like we are you know

[00:14:47] we're we're very avid creatives and like the you know the film a plus I like directing a lot of stuff

[00:14:53] even videos of my music videos and really stuff like that you know I'm very you know I love you know

[00:14:59] I love cinema practice I love cinema top of you I love you know I just love to suspense that

[00:15:05] you can create from camera I love comedic film in like the Brooklyn 9-9 style how to

[00:15:10] you know made that kind of you know that's not dead is what I mean that's what I mean that's

[00:15:14] great on it per se that is zoom in kind of shaking type uh yeah you know kind of slapstick stuff so

[00:15:19] yeah I love that stuff interesting yeah yeah I mean it's definitely a language isn't it a cinema

[00:15:26] yeah understand and there's like any language you have to speak it to understand it right so you

[00:15:31] know everyone can speak language to a degree about cinema and music and sitting itself as well

[00:15:35] for such a language is that okay I got stubby to learn content you know you got oh yeah yeah yeah

[00:15:41] yeah I mean again like why I was somewhat alone about me it jackson in realising was for years he was

[00:15:46] making kind of like these slapsticks or horror movies like in in the back end of New Zealand with his

[00:15:53] but that gave him the skills that when Lord of the Rings came along it was like oh yeah I know how

[00:15:57] to do all this stuff I know how to use miniature as I know how to use like visual effects and you

[00:16:03] know yeah costume design make up to make stuff look gross and weird and lived in so there

[00:16:09] like if you can learn that language I mean never know man you never know you could always say I

[00:16:13] I'm really like recently I've kind of had just nice enjoyable tastes of ventures I want to go

[00:16:19] obviously everyone knows I want to be in marine biologists but

[00:16:22] I was always wanting to get to present in and corang radio they said that they are trying

[00:16:29] or potentially speaking to the bosses who see if I can be offered a show to some degree so I would love

[00:16:36] to do that because me out of your radios would be like hell in the best way yeah okay that's

[00:16:45] interesting right down from the inside I have to go back as I'm genuinely curious marine biologist

[00:16:51] I did not see that coming I love the organic water bottom marine biology world okay you know

[00:16:58] I think the coastline is protecting I think is important to study the animals of your

[00:17:03] of erosion I think you know marine life itself is completely uncharted you know the intelligence

[00:17:13] of wells and their you know kind of culture they create to themselves the study of behaviour

[00:17:21] of shock per se the you know I'm very educated on it so I think to expand on it because

[00:17:28] something I enjoy you know especially the orcus especially you know learning about trans

[00:17:33] you know because resident orcus the you know the cultures on the differences between them and why

[00:17:38] somehow it is sort of being why if there was to me together they would really be able to

[00:17:42] talk to each other because it's like a language barrier and the funnicks they have to just talk

[00:17:45] to their yeah it's just such an uncharted world so many facts so many uncharted things are

[00:17:51] to define that I'm so much unprecedented value in that place that's true that's very true

[00:17:57] yeah I don't a genuine dream of mine is to either go to like Alaska or Iceland or anywhere where you

[00:18:03] can get to see orchid in the wild that's my yeah like my for a thing yeah I'll just see that and if you

[00:18:09] want to see him in the UK you can go to Scotland in a ship out of the shell and yeah between like

[00:18:16] scott number but you will see resident orcus doing their thing yeah that you know put that

[00:18:24] on my head now I'm gonna have to look into that because I would love to but that's wild man that's

[00:18:29] wild so you think the one day you might pivot into that it's probably sooner than later yeah

[00:18:33] you know I think there's so much of doing as well you cannot waste a moment because if you do

[00:18:40] and just die yeah if you die over you just don't taste anything covered in the sweet success of death

[00:18:48] so okay all right I think like to think of life in seasons like you never know what you do

[00:18:55] like right now you obviously doing well with music and that's something you're passionate about but

[00:18:59] yeah do absolutely if you want to pivot and do something else I'll see you again there no one do

[00:19:04] marine biology I want to be a friggin you know I want to change music as I can and do things

[00:19:10] when it's not a place for me to just enjoy just sitting down and be some sort of

[00:19:16] start-up or create some of them you don't mind that crap but so much more to stuff than

[00:19:21] just a pandering to sort of ego just as I do yeah I want to practice that more

[00:19:31] I'm extremely appreciative of what I do but you know I guess the way I think

[00:19:37] sometimes it's very you know maybe sometimes not the most productive to

[00:19:43] I don't know just the industry I mean sometimes some quite flooding on quite like

[00:19:49] but also think like what's the point if you're going to be in any other support of being like a

[00:19:53] some conforming madman just do things boring just to play it say I'm so bored of it yeah

[00:19:57] when we told me how to be or how to do and whatever whatever and I'm just like

[00:20:02] you can all go and exercise I'm just I got a special moment going to spin it that's fair but I'm

[00:20:12] with tables and okay for fingers in the air as a bloody hell you know guys yeah yeah

[00:20:20] I've always wondered what that must be like genuinely like going through this right and being

[00:20:26] in the industry because there's something that's genuinely fascinating to me as well as the idea

[00:20:32] that anything anything creative right you've got a balance out being an artist versus

[00:20:39] dealing with the industry right and industry can work because it can you know can help you get

[00:20:42] paid for free in art and that's great and you know because you all these nice advantages and things

[00:20:48] that you can do but imagine there's also a lot of pressure and there's a lot of extra voices

[00:20:52] then that kick in and like you say perhaps try to pull you in at least different directions

[00:20:56] and it might be quite frustrating I can imagine though yeah but it's just it's a fine line

[00:21:03] so still a line in of you know counting your blessings because of a change dream of every level

[00:21:09] of a position that somebody's in and everyone wants something better anyway but sure if this is

[00:21:15] what you wanted to do then you have to learn how to just you know adopt the in pleasure and try to

[00:21:20] do better from it you know yes everything is sometimes they want to the life time opportunity

[00:21:25] but we also want more more more so we never really are appreciative of their position you actually

[00:21:31] in until it's swept away from you or taken away from you or it leaves itself and then

[00:21:40] it just stuck the press so she's trying to make the most of what he got jump of high things

[00:21:48] herself bleed feel and just do things that people told you not to do because those people

[00:21:56] always do it from fear and the way it's to fear the more it becomes part of your membrane

[00:22:01] and all of a sudden you're not doing anything because you're operating from a place of

[00:22:04] stunted growth so just keep doing things and annoying people because most people don't like you

[00:22:11] anyway and what the hell doesn't matter if you don't like them as well so.

[00:22:15] Fair enough yeah I do think yeah operating from a place of fear and any mindset is not

[00:22:21] it's not going to lead to best outcome you know because you're going to make the quickest decisions

[00:22:26] and not look long to memories. Oh that's it yeah yeah friend of mine said to me the day it's like

[00:22:32] he's kind of lost food is like you know you are what you focus on so if you focus on what you don't have

[00:22:37] or what you think you're going to lose then yeah that's how your life is going to operate you're

[00:22:42] going to make decisions that you're going to regret whereas if you're trying to come from a place of

[00:22:46] gratitude and appreciation it's like you'll see everything as an opportunity you know and like

[00:22:52] the worst case in our office one that you may be thinking actually but I didn't like that way

[00:22:56] doesn't matter is it's just an experience terms the wind wants so well yeah that's it that's

[00:23:01] it and it's nice to hear you say it that genuine makes like an imagine it could be quite easy to

[00:23:05] become quite jaded or like bit for yourself yeah yeah yeah yeah man I've kind of you know I struggle

[00:23:13] with doubt very highly because I think but also it's a weird tangent because it also keeps you

[00:23:19] grounded but then there's always a fine line between how round did you want to be to the point

[00:23:24] you like you know you subdue your light all the time so I was okay don't you so you're not a

[00:23:28] burden to others feelings okay I don't know everything is there's nothing nothing's proven

[00:23:36] and everything's tested well I don't know if anything has the right choice you know I don't know

[00:23:40] okay no one knows anything that's the beauty of it we wake up day by day and people make

[00:23:43] options and choices and the well keeps spinning one bad choice and everything caves in one bad

[00:23:48] day for someone a bit red pot and yeah we'll gone so you know all the rings for life

[00:23:56] there's definitely something in that and I want to go back a little bit to what you was saying

[00:24:00] earlier about this sort of tapping into the darkness of it I just find that really it's a really

[00:24:05] interesting take I think you're actually spot on I think yeah that is one of the definitely one of

[00:24:09] the big themes right with the whole story is it's literally overcoming evil but I don't

[00:24:18] from perspective each time so do you find that watching these films like you look different

[00:24:22] characters and sort of thing on a focusing in time yeah what to film

[00:24:26] okay it's nice that someone's got oh I blinked at that moment I didn't catch that right yeah yeah

[00:24:31] so you know I always say I don't know I'm a when I'm watching the film with someone I was

[00:24:39] looking down I'm like oh hey yeah I had that that's my biggest pet peeve

[00:24:48] just like I forgot to say I don't know I'm the same as we all hypocrites and come to do

[00:24:53] two things I don't remember even I literally put a limit on my phone here that I also from

[00:24:58] media because I was like I just keep just not thinking about it and I'm like why am I looking at this

[00:25:02] I don't want to look at it especially when you're watching something else you're like

[00:25:07] I put this on to watch and now I'm looking at my phone what's going on with my brain that's

[00:25:12] weird yeah I agree especially something something something alike a lot of the rings is like

[00:25:17] cinematic enough that you should pay attention to it like a lot of work one into it and it's

[00:25:22] an epic story put your phone down yeah I love love the ring is your favorite character by the way

[00:25:26] then I'm curious if you have one probably I have one

[00:25:32] I have one okay what is that what draws you to him strength power okay this ship yeah

[00:25:41] brave yeah

[00:25:43] that's right Victor true yeah definitely the very very much the hero is journey right like

[00:25:51] the classic arc of like rejecting the call picking up the call doing all of that and it was a human

[00:25:56] man yeah I find interesting that I have all of the characters like he ends up being one of the

[00:26:03] most important but because of humans in a fantasy world it's like they're least important

[00:26:09] species in a way like that's quite interesting juxtapaccia you guys are seeing a human bear

[00:26:14] just strength of the immortal world yeah do you find that quite like inspiring like yeah

[00:26:20] what's going on it's nice yeah no I agree I agree did he stop oh sorry you got any

[00:26:25] like standout scenes or anything that you kind of like this is my favorite bit to watch

[00:26:33] um from the first movie would be the scene with the trolls in the

[00:26:38] oh yeah abandoned where you know god no friends not dark yeah second movie would probably be the

[00:26:51] the war scene the big fight I'm the big fight scene between right yeah everything and ever

[00:26:56] turn in the king will probably be when the king gets his power back from right yeah yeah yeah

[00:27:06] that was nice yeah enjoyed that yeah that moment is what say you you like oh damn okay

[00:27:13] I'll follow you in a battle it's cool yeah that is something I I loved by especially like

[00:27:19] I don't know you I got to see which one was it return of the king in the cinema

[00:27:23] sort I got to see return of the king in the cinema did that she did you see any of them in the

[00:27:27] cinema some of the king yeah yeah cause the two towers I got two towers as well

[00:27:32] remember by I vividly remember it's on the game yeah yeah yeah yeah you were right

[00:27:37] like this is a spy was seen oh yeah yeah yeah I was I was vaguely aware that that was coming up

[00:27:44] because at school we read the Hobbit and she loves in that oh yeah she's yeah and so when

[00:27:49] it when it was sort of hinted at in the film was on that I don't know you're like

[00:27:52] not a fan of spiders especially at a young age I was growing as well especially when it

[00:27:58] stabbed Frodo's. Oh yeah yeah I knew just like oh no oh no that's not yeah not

[00:28:05] not about that but good moment for Sam runs in saves a day you don't

[00:28:10] bless him what's what we love somewhere is that's why we do yeah there's

[00:28:14] there is something really sweet about the whole like you know what does he say like if I can't

[00:28:19] I can't carry it I'll carry you and you're just like that's that's true friendship

[00:28:24] is a definition of a good friend yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:28:27] yeah Sam wise isn't your life or around here you got an army of them

[00:28:35] a couple of stonewises yeah yeah yeah yeah we will be having to stop meeting soon but yeah that's

[00:28:40] creepy yeah that's no worries mate yeah that is that I was fine I suppose it's often

[00:28:44] I keep this bad thing there's four minutes it's absolutely fine but yeah I love that man I love

[00:28:51] that yeah so I think we talked before but you haven't got our own to watching any of this

[00:28:55] series yet then nothing cool attention the first episode okay and then kind of kind of oh yeah

[00:29:02] just think really wow yeah just didn't get a damn what's it for sport and I'm at TV with playing

[00:29:09] up with the color oh okay yeah try it grab you in the same way I'm back to still don't care

[00:29:15] don't want to stop it I'll say this mate the hobby you're not missing much like no one's at

[00:29:25] I don't even know what it was but it'd been a hundred full I know ferro

[00:29:29] yeah franchises dead yeah it's one that like they're again they were talked recently I

[00:29:34] heard of people talking with like remaking then which is wild because it was 20 years ago yeah

[00:29:40] so why would you what be making the f*** yeah yeah like people were like oh we should update these

[00:29:46] on you know should we do them again they're like no why don't you need to be done no right

[00:29:52] that doesn't need to be done no I mean they're perfect so why would you touch him but leave them

[00:29:57] and yeah if you've ever watched the extended editions do you have would you say that's the best

[00:30:02] way to do it yes it's just more right yeah because you can yeah excuse me some minutes yeah

[00:30:07] couple some people have died before they've even got to watch these films so I'm doing them

[00:30:10] a service by squeezing as much time as I can absolutely yeah I mean I do agree I think there's

[00:30:15] something about some of the extra scenes in that man I mean I don't know if you've heard this

[00:30:20] of a favorite story I've ever heard from behind the scenes stuff involved uh oh it was an

[00:30:28] Chris Filly who was an absolute badass and he during this is the only extended edition I think

[00:30:35] of return of the king where he gets stabbed in the back and dies which is a quite like a big

[00:30:41] like should a left-wing because he does just sort of disappear in the theatrical and um yeah apparently

[00:30:47] Piet Jackson was coming up to him and going like you need to be a bit more dramatic

[00:30:50] like you know can you like make a noise or whatever and Christopher he just turns around and says

[00:30:56] like do you know what it sounds like when a man gets stabbed in the back because I do because it turns

[00:31:01] out he was a World War II badass who like he'll not see his stuff yeah and apparently if

[00:31:06] Piet Jackson was like all right yep good no like fair enough I won't say anything else you know

[00:31:12] what is like with a man gets stabbed in the back yeah that's badass isn't it if you've heard

[00:31:18] and he was music Chris Filly I'd recommend you check out it's pretty wild it's uh yeah he was

[00:31:25] in a metal band until it's like 70s I think yeah he did like a lot of concept albums based on

[00:31:32] like charlomane and sort of famous nights because apparently he had lineage to that because of course he did

[00:31:38] and um it's pretty decent it's like he gets a good band in to do it and it's just quite funny hearing

[00:31:45] him just with his massive booming baratown voice okay that's a story about nice you want

[00:31:50] you I think he might dig it it's yeah there's only a couple of albums but I remember listening to

[00:31:54] it a few years ago when he passed and it was like this is nuts like I had no idea he did this

[00:32:00] oh listen to Charles Manson's music owner Chris of Aleus Charles Manson music oh yeah

[00:32:05] good music tune interesting it's an interesting take yeah that must have he like stirring the pot

[00:32:16] that's cool man yeah well how's have you got coming up things over the maze where just chatting

[00:32:20] in your here doing I can album knowledge but like once after this I'm really hoping to just wrap

[00:32:24] this all up soon yeah and go away okay into a little cave for a few months and just not

[00:32:31] say that speak to anybody or do anything covered in music focus on myself yeah and come out better

[00:32:40] you know this is a lot of the things I have done for most of my life and I want to make it

[00:32:46] I want to make it in a way where I get to do it more with the things I want to do well you so after

[00:32:51] you keep learning what to do better listen to myself a lot because of every you know you have a

[00:33:00] trust in myself a lot to get to the position I am so every evening I think I've been taking the

[00:33:05] leaps and bounds I should be just like I'm going to trust myself again and learn to love that

[00:33:10] and I do so yeah just reset and going away and just getting away from the circus of noise

[00:33:21] and just enjoying the validation of silence yeah that's powerful man that's good

[00:33:27] fair play to you because I yeah I think a lot of people don't have enough self-awareness

[00:33:32] to do that you know I think get easy I imagine again in your position it can be quite easy to

[00:33:37] get caught up in that sometimes and just want more and more and more of it you know my tool manager's

[00:33:41] Indian is spending so good I'm a little sad man again yeah I do pull out this morning horribly like

[00:33:50] free balance of diarrhea so I mean it's not getting near if that doesn't happen is it you know I did

[00:33:57] yeah I said yes not worth otherwise also did well listen I'll let you wrap up because obviously

[00:34:04] you got a lot to do now thank you very much I appreciate taking the time please listen to this

[00:34:08] podcast and every episode you've done before is a nice calm pace and man thank you very

[00:34:12] very proud of them I was spoken to him once before Marshall so I have um uh two thousand trees

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[00:34:28] Kid Bookie for coming back onto the podcast and having a chat with me just before one of your

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