Sitcom September - Brooklyn Nine-Nine with Drew Toynbee (Sequel Pitch Podcast)

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_24]: Hello and welcome to Fandomentals, the podcast that explores pop culture, one conversation at a time.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_24]: I am your host, Harley.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_24]: This episode sees the return of a beloved mini series in the Fandomentals canon, and that is the sitcom Summer.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_24]: Now, before I go any further, I know what some of you are thinking, Harley, it's September.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_24]: Summer's pretty much over.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_24]: Well, obviously that depends where you are on the world and over here in the UK.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_24]: It started and then it stopped, now it's sort of back again.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_24]: It's a whole thing, global warming, what are you going to do?

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_24]: But that's not the point.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_24]: What I am doing with this podcast and what I'm doing with this particular series of episodes

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_24]: is doing a sort of spiritual sequel to sitcom Summer, so it's not quite sitcom Summer.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_24]: It's more like sitcom September because who doesn't love in iteration?

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_24]: These series of episodes allow me to revisit a bunch of fantastic shows that bring so much joy

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_24]: to so many people, including myself and my chosen guest for each episode.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_24]: And kicking us off for this mini series is none other than host of the sequel pitch podcast, Drew Toinby.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_24]: Drew was kind enough to come on and talk with me about what has to be one of the most impactful modern sitcoms I think of the last decade or so.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_24]: And that is Brooklyn 9.9.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_24]: It's a fantastic show that sees the talents of so many wonderful comedic actors and writers

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_24]: and just has a lot to say given it's setting in a police precinct.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_24]: We of course get into all of this our favourite characters, moments, themes, so on and so forth

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_24]: and there's also a surprise guest from inside the podcast studio, so make sure you listen out for that.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_24]: But that's enough from me, it's time to get on with the episode.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_24]: This is Brooklyn 9.9 with Drew Toinby.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_24]: Hello Drew and welcome to the Fundamentals podcast.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello Harley, it is an absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_24]: Oh, pleasure's all mine and you're here to help me with the second run at the sitcom Summer,

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_24]: which I would have explained at this whole episode,

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_24]: it's going to be a smaller version but hey that's fine and I'm really excited to get into it because I put together a list of shows.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_24]: I realized from the last time round this was when I did want to talk about

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_24]: and I sort of missed off. I'm kind of glad I did because since I did that series

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_24]: and where our conversation now it hasn't actually ended, so we've got a whole series of characters really cool.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_24]: And as of course Brooklyn 9.9, so to kick us off and to get away from my rambling,

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_24]: I just want to ask you Drew, what was your introduction to this show?

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Introduction would have been, it's basically all been through Netflix.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: My wife and I, like we're living the typical kind of older millennial experience.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't even have a TV area anymore as just all through on demand stuff.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Same. And we've got our comfort TV shows.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So if there's something on and it's good and it's a new release, we'll watch that.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're a TV on in the background kind of family.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And for many, many years it was always just friends going from season one all the way through till season 10 and then my wife would just put it back to the beginning.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I like friends, I grew up with friends.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, Fred, I got a bit bored and so I was like, oh, let's try, let's try something different.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's try the American office.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And we loved that.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the rotation went from friends to American office and back and forth.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we added parks and wreck naturally, which yeah, of course we did.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the natural progression from there was when I saw Brooklyn, 99 and realized it was a Dan Gore and Michael Scher.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, okay, well, we've got to try this and I absolutely fell in love with it.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm terrible because whenever we do our cycle, we get to the end of one of those shows apart from friends I never say to our friends.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But we get to the end and I'm like, now this is the best one.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, the American office or parks and wreck or Brooklyn, 99. I'm always like, no, this is the best one.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I would say stands Brooklyn, 99 apart is it's the only one that we start from season one episode one.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like with the office and parks and wreck, we skip season one entirely on both because they were taking time to find their feet.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But this show just hits the ground perfectly running.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The only evolution through the whole show is character based and narrative based. They don't have any kind of wild shifts in in the tone of the characters or the interpersonal relationships or no.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not wording that very well, because obviously the relationship between the characters change but you've got Leslie impacts and wreck in the first season she's kind of incompetent.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then from season two they went, oh it would be better if she was actually really good at her job and high energy.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And same with them with the office like Michael Scott is just an abhorrent or full person in the first season.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they go, actually know what if he is what if he's got a good heart.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's still an absolute wallet and that makes the whole thing fall together where yeah just from the get go this show is just spot on.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so great Andy Sandberg just nails it from the very very beginning all of them nail it on draper hour as as Raymond Hold is my like I think all time favorite TV character is he is yeah is it's one of the funniest performances and and

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like there's the whole running joke that Jake sees him as a dad and accidentally calls him dad in the bullpen at some point and it's completely believable and that like I want I want Ray hold to be my dad.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I love my real dad but I want Ray hold to be my dad and it's it's so pure and they tackle some really intense issues.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But with just this infectious joy and irreverence and insanity and it's fabulous.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_24]: Couldn't agree more yeah it's you're absolutely right I think it is one that sets itself apart from other shows like the ones you've mentioned in the it is a very

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_24]: clear.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_24]: Outset from the word go as to who the characters are the dynamic at play and what the show's going to be and I think that must be down to the fact that as you mentioned a lot of the guys involved with this have had experience working on those other shows.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah so not only is there a sort of familiar comedy tone which makes it easy to slip into.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_24]: It also means they kind of skip over those initial stumbling blocks you know whilst they're obviously going to help find the characters as they go because that's a natural part of any TV show isn't it is the absolute best.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_24]: Better at it but you're right I think that's absolutely spot on yeah the general tone for who these people are stays pretty consistent from the start I mean there's a couple of things you can look at that.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_24]: the place in phase out like one that immediately jumps to my mind is the sort of Charles Boyle kind of.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_24]: Morning overalls a day as thing which is kind of funny in the first few episodes but you can tell that they were like this isn't going anywhere this year work but they very nicely address that by the end of the series so it's not gonna be this big thing.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_24]: It's just like, they just kind of move on as little things up that little nuances they pick out.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But even with that I really enjoy the fact that the sort of typical sitcom storyline for

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that would be that maybe they do end up at least hooking up, right?

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Or an oil would have to have an epiphany that he wasn't right for her.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually they really draw it out across like that whole season and it's obvious to all of us

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it's never going to happen. But they don't give Charles an easy out and Rosa has to handle it kind

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: of gently but also in a non-genital way because that's how the characters written and like

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Rosa's such a great character. And but yeah I can definitely see what you're saying that it

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: feels like they maybe saw that being something that would go a little bit longer.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like oh actually no maybe we have kind of mind all the comedy out of this

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_24]: that we possibly can. Yeah exactly exactly but it's just stuff like that I mean from the

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_24]: pilot on it's pretty consistent and what I like to do generally with these episodes is talk about

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_24]: characters and sort of go through you know the arcs and the favorite bits and so on. Yeah.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_24]: So I think a good place to start, I actually think would be to start with what you just

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_24]: thought of a second ago which is the incredible performance that is Raymond Holt by Andre Brach.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_24]: I think he basically steals the show in this series which I think he's kind of got on the

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_24]: one hand a really difficult job on the other hand he's got a bit of an advantage right because he's

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_24]: playing such a ridiculous character like the fact that he is so like straight-laced and dower

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_24]: and monotone. Yeah it's one of those it could have been it I'm saying on the one hand it's an

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_24]: advantage because it's a very funny character to be given but on the other hand it's like if you

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_24]: get it wrong it could just be really bad but obviously he nails it he absolutely nails it.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's oh god how do I how do I even word this? You I think you've hit the nail on the head

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: in a pretty succinct way it is just making a character be that what's weird is he's effectively

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: the straight man of this comedy group he's the one who doesn't get the Joe he's the one who

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the punchlines occasionally kind of go towards but he's screamingly funny despite not bit

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: despite being unrediculous compared to everyone else around him and like he he's a he was a

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a Shakespeareian actor and you couldn't you can see that coming through in his performance.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but there's what movie was it are you aware of the 1999 treat Williams

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: seafaring horror movie deep rising? I have heard of it but I don't think I've seen it.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was this I've just got to check whether it was that or whether it was

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_24]: a remake of the Poseidon Adventure. The first Google here we go cue the Google jingle

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_24]: It's Poseidon Adventure I've got here. Oh it's just a six catamaran foot yeah our damn I really

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I really thought it was um deep I've got deep rising on the brain I such terrible is really

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in film but yet like seeing him show up in 2006 kind of seven years ahead of this and even as

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that much of a younger man he's got so much gravitas and so much power just in this like one

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: minute bit part where he stands up on a stage and gives a speech to a room full of people in

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: ball gowns and then has to pretend to be hit by a giant wave and he carries it so so well through

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: this role and the pilot episode is very first episode they don't drag out the fact that he's

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's gay they make the audience kind of complicit in obviously the the joke at the end is

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: they they add in some extra context that wasn't initially shown to the audience that really

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: telegraphs that he's gay right but we get the same clues as Jake and I I had no idea

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I I couldn't tell and then it shows all of that stuff and you're like oh wait no he is

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's just completely straightforward they have all of that discussion about him wanting the tie

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: to be the uniform because he wants everyone to be in the same team and he wants to be part of

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: team and him wanting to he's wanted to have his own command for such a long time and it's so

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: important to him and he's got this idea on his team who refuses to respect his authority and he's

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he's got the authority he's got the the the the speech in the car where he talks about coming out

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and how difficult his career has been and how important this is to him he's so moving but he's

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: really straight and then watching his character develop through the whole show and becoming

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: even more of this father figure and his connection with Rosa and the fact that they're they're the two

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: who never show emotions and they're the ones who like they cry together and you've got the amazing

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: scenes where like they're both they're both crying and they go oh wait are you crying yes I am

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: crying too thank you for acknowledging my emotions oh we're so good at this and it's just

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it it's absolutely wonderful and then then you've got cheddar and the kind of that's where he

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: they kind of sneak in his craziness as a character because he does get more bonkers as time goes on

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_24]: he does and I think that's half the funerat is the juxtaposition of yeah give him this straight

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_24]: character that's like never breaks never smiles like he said makes is like there's a whole running

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_24]: gag I think in like the first season where they can't work out what emotion he's showing and he plays

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_24]: that straight affect him there's all those jokes just running through it and then like you say you meet

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_24]: him and it's something that I think they must have picked up from working on shows like the office

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_24]: and parks and markets it's character specificity where there's certain things back at character

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_24]: a so specific to them like the his level classical music his corgi the fact that you know like

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_24]: he said he's he's like suppressors his emotions he's he's moved to tears by my maths you know I think

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_24]: and what's the feel is that really famous feel about bass oh money ball money ball that's it

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah and he's like moved by that and it's that that land and that's where they're so funny because

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_24]: like of course of course that's how he's gonna feel about it yeah because they bake that into the

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_24]: characters like you say as you get those moments where he does have like an outburst of emotion or a

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_24]: bit of craziness comes through in that way it lands it doesn't feel out of character it's just like

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_24]: another layer just makes it even more delicious to watch whoa you really made the balloon arch

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: made no I'd better to there's no form more graceful than the arch no object more whimsical

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_06]: than the balloon yes you and I think that but pull a rose a thing good point rose a word one

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_08]: of much much bigger balloon arch back to the balloon's door yeah I just wanted to thank you for

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_08]: your help yes right I didn't do much it was nothing good day what's gone on just very busy

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_17]: get back to work wait what are you having there a balloon arch oh my god captain she is magnificent

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: then the k-shon yeah exactly and you can you can see it as him as a character becoming

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: comfortable enough with the people around him to let that show as well right and then you just get

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to the absolute genius of the um of the Halloween heists right yeah and the the fact that it keeps

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: coming back like yeah the recurring once a season episode basically dog duty in the Halloween heist

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: are just their absolute highlights of the show because it's an interesting thing to

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: we're talking about captain hole but if you get into Halloween heist you have to get into

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Sandberg as Jake yeah and another really fascinating thing that I love about the show is how

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: in the same way they've got halt who is emotionally or appears emotionless and incredibly stoic

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and unmovable and he but he has this deep well of warmth and emotion that just comes out

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: despite himself almost yeah if then got Jake who is just an act just insane he's just so bonkers

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and obviously in any kind of actually real situation there's no way that he would be able to function

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: behaving the way that he does and that's the nature of a heightened comedy like tv show

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but the way that it still feels credible that he is kind of the top detective in the precinct

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: seeing the Halloween heist on fold like the first one where he's just getting increasingly

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: more desperate and then ends up having to recruit the whole team by offering to do their paperwork

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: which means that whole has to do all of it and then he gets to the following year and he gets tricked

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and more and more people joining in and it's just I can barely find the words because I just

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: have so much affection for this show it just makes me so happy. I totally agree man I think those

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_24]: episodes of particular are really good for their dynamic as the as the forth and and like you say

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_24]: it's really when the crazy comes out of everyone the competitiveness because that's something they

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_24]: both have in common which is quite interesting that it holds really driven and academic and as you

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_24]: say he's had to struggle against the versities he's got all of this stuff to prove and then Jake

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_24]: for alter has a similar thing you know he has he had a rough childhood he wants to be the best detective

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah he's he's driven in that way so they're both incredibly competitive driven highly skilled

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_24]: people so it's really fun just to put them against each other for just one episode a year in a

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: really ridiculous scenario yeah absolutely and it's that's just kind of made me think about again

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: comparing it to the it's nearest contemporaries in my mind being the American version of the office

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and parks and rack yeah those other two shows you do have the central relationships where characters

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of grow and come together like you've got Jim and Pam and Leslie and Ben and Ron like Ron

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Swanson being my other TV dad who yeah is if it who is just another version of Rayhole effectively

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but this show I feel like the characters go on a more emotional journey because of the people around them

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: they're all about a group of people coming together as a family but in the office for example

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: what's fillet is sorry what's fillet is emotional journey through the show she doesn't have one

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: she she's there she's sometimes grumpy sometimes a bit wingey but ultimately she's a really lovely

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: mother figure who cares about everyone and that's like creed stays the same all the way through the show

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah um like and then parks and rack gets it a little bit more like you've got April warming up a

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: little bit when she starts a relationship with Andy you've got Tom Havford growing up a bit but not

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: loads yeah where in this you've got Jake who has Jake who needs a dad and needs to take things

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: a little and needs to learn to grow up you've got Rayhole who needs to learn to let people in and

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: relax a little bit you've got Amy who needs to stop taking things so seriously you've got Rosa who

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: needs to accept her an identity Terry who is struggling with family Charles who's just insane and

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: then Gina who never changes yeah but I I feel like there is a much more cohesive feeling of

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: than the nine nine being a family group and the other shows have it too they still they are still

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the central cast our silly group and there's affection and you can feel that whether that's

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that you can feel the cast bring it together but Brooklyn does it Brooklyn does it through the narrative

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and these characters go on cases together and have their little odd pairings that you wouldn't

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: expect missions which is a completely normal setup for a sitcom but then those relationships seem

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_24]: to continue a little more yeah I agree it's a nice way of them to be able to shuffle the deck

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_24]: every so often yes yeah make sense yeah they're gonna put on an assignment and it means that all

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_24]: of the characters get to build on their own relationships with one another and yeah it's it's a really

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_24]: clever device for that and they're the fact that in every season there's usually like one or more

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_24]: obstacles for them to overcome together you know whether it's yes at least corruption whether it's

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_24]: you know gangs of criminals or whatever it's there's always something there

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_24]: that they have to come together and overcome yeah and like you say that helps and then to grow as a

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_24]: family and it feels like they're they're struggling through adversity together which is yeah it's

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_24]: always good for them to see them do that really like you said it yeah you see that nice warm feeling

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_24]: at the end of a series when they've done it because you're like yes yeah a family made it

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly and it's yeah they do they do have that kind of long running well villains the wrong way

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: of putting it but yeah you're entirely right that they've got they do have the the season where

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: they're up against the the corrupt commissioner who's like who's using the dark night

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: spying machine to read people cell phones and he's there all season being the bad guy

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and then Madeline wants gets his job and she's the bad guy and like Madeline wants just incredibly

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: just I also the the guest the guest stars in this show are hands down the the the the best

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_24]: once yeah I mean if we're talking about it as well room and whole in the histion out with people

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_24]: him and shout out to Kyra's said you have got here yeah is Madeline wants just amazing they're back

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_24]: and forth oh yeah just just so beautiful yeah I will never not I will never not laugh at

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: once time is over Madeline yeah that's just oh so good so I've been planning hard as a

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Madeline when she puts the metal on I have the perfect line once time is over so it's a play on lunchtime

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_07]: yes devastating burn sir but you know what would really show her is if you said nothing at all

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_07]: oh interesting let Madeline know she's not even worth my staying up on night crafting singers

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_07]: one time to keep you all night trust me turn the other cheek which I recently learned is about faces

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_07]: and not butts but works either way yes I should be the bigger person I shouldn't be hard given

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_12]: Madeline's not technically a person for a maritory service the NYPD bestows this award

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_12]: on detective rosadias Jake Peralta and Captain Raymond Holt Raymond Madeline you want

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_08]: go ahead and go out you told thank you for this honor deputy chief oh okay

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_08]: you're welcome once time is over boom did it had it both ways no regrets dog is in the podcast

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_24]: studio hello dog oh I'm hoping on her she's been on her own all day so oh I have to make a jingle for

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_21]: dog come on oh she's so cool yeah he's right she loves a cuddle mine mine is too big to get on

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: my lap ship it absolutely smashing a night she was standing at the shed or scratching to get in

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: a few minutes so I've had to show her in the house but my wife so I'm now so it's fine okay all right

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: fair enough fair enough but yeah like the I'm the same as you nothing will nothing about this show

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: makes me laugh harder than Ray Holt insulting Madeline once yeah it's such a weird dynamic as well

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_24]: because I feel like the show deliberately makes it ambiguous as to what the root of their issue is yes

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_24]: like is it like some sort of weird sexual tension is it career driven it's never really resolved either

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like it never address yeah they throw out other things like there's there's the fantastic bit where he

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Ray thinks it's that Ray suggests it's because he turned a turned down as sexual advance and that

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: does seem plausible unlike she does have this weird sexual fixation with him and so that's still

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: plausible but then she's like no it's because you embarrassed me in front of Derek Geter who I think

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a baseball player yeah that's right man hold just goes you embarrassed yourself in front of Derek

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Geter and without context without a flashback or anything yes it's absolutely marvelous absolutely

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_24]: fantastic it really is yeah and it's just again it's a brilliant use of that casting and

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_24]: just a lovely through line like you say throughout most the series the fact that she keeps coming back

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: different capacities and and like the culture that the fact that the culture never gets

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it's it I love the fact that like once is she's hissable but yeah but she

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: whether it's just because her interactions with halt are so funny like I still have funeral as a stage

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_24]: thing yeah I'm just absolutely fantastic the levels of one upmanship from one another really and

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_24]: the pettingers but like you say ultimately she dies and like halt kind of gets a bit

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_24]: closure with that where she says but Dean Winter as the vulture is just it's just the worst

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he's just terrible and the fact that they are they're willing to have they're willing to have characters

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: who are like no no we don't need this guy to have nuance or or layers he is just such a douchebag

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: he's he's that manager he's that person higher up in the company that everyone's

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: experienced at some point who's just he's I'm sure he's good at parts of his job but he's just a

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: just a whoa is oh god is douchebag okay yeah that's fine yeah I do make it hard for people

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_24]: keeping it clean here but you know what you mean like he's he just sucks he's just terrible have

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: ever seen them 30 rock out of interest I haven't I've always meant to but okay I never got

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_24]: around to it I'd recommend previous episode of the show and yeah Dean Winter's plays like

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_24]: connects boyfriend of Liz Lemon in the show he has the same kind of energy I was really in

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_24]: playing those sort of characters I can totally see what they want him for this yeah

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_18]: you know before I saw this case like thank you for doing all the super easy work you know

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_10]: the real Nancy drew level stuff I had to Nancy drew soft water murders yeah she did murder

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_10]: on ice recipe for murder and so it was a wonderful detective I wanted to be hurt when I grew up

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_18]: thanks Charles that's helpful hey should we take odds on how fast I'll solve this case no I mean

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_18]: what was it with dias is last impossible extortion case was it six hours that's because it was 98%

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_18]: solve the last two percent hours to get that's what they leave it in the milk oh wow look at good

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_18]: Santiago Foxy Ma go rotten hell this is your fault thanks champ good effort I got it from here

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_18]: hey you feel free to call me a time you need me to come down here and help out of that big

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_15]: Nancy yours well that's the worst thing that's ever happened to me isn't there an episode where

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_24]: I think later on down the line Jake and Amy are looking at wedding venues and they bump into him yeah

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_24]: and there's a whole thing now it's like has he changed and then by the end of it it's like no he's

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: just as terrible yep he's marrying he's marrying like an absolute saint of a woman

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and and they catch him out like and they it's another it's a really well made

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: part of the show he gets a notification on his phone and it turns out later in the episode they

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: realized that was a notification for a hook up up and so that's how they they know they can

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: they can get the wedding council so they can get the venue and just tiny moments like that where

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it's noticeable enough that as I remember hearing that and going oh that was that was noticeable

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: enough that maybe that will be significant but also it does go quickly enough and they leave it just

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: long enough in the pacing of the episode that you just forget and then it comes back in and you get to

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: have exactly the same moment of revelation as the characters and that's a really difficult thing to

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_24]: pull off it is is a good trope of a detective show isn't it yes keeping the audience

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_24]: clue it in so that you feel just as smart as the detective yeah it's a nice little thing they

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_02]: bake into it yeah and then are and then thinking about peripheral characters my my

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I do love Doug Judy and yeah it's always great when Doug Judy shows up but Jason Manzooka says

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Adrian Pimento is just he's insane unstoppable human force of comedy

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: just yeah absolutely that the fact that they this is a group of policemen who have like

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: they set fire to their office and have races with fire extinguishers and

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: play guitars really loud and scream in their office and yet a character can come in

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: who looks insane when stood next to them and again pulls it off is it's just absolutely magic

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and Jason Manzooka's needs to be in more stuff it's annoying that he's not in more stuff I

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_24]: love it I know I mean the guy sort of is quite peripheral a lot of things he does but yeah has

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_24]: has the perfect energy for that character like this cop there's been undercover for so long

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_24]: that he is just broken it's basically just it's superco but like the comedic side of that

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_24]: exactly exactly which is just brilliant I think again another wonderful character to come up with

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_14]: I totally agree so Adrian working from home how would happen to the office couldn't afford

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_14]: the rent I'll be honest with you guys this P.I. thing is not going great got a couple of

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_14]: bad reviews online and that pretty much tank me I mean what is weird energy even mean am I right?

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_08]: well my guess is that people find you somewhat threatening and erratic okay yeah

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_14]: that tracks but jokes on them because I'm having tons of fun with all this free time

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_14]: catching up on reading going for walks it's great the other day I walked all the way to Maryland

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_14]: gorgeous well listen we need your help great who are we killing I want to kids that's a rule

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_14]: but that rule is negotiable if the kids are no they don't want you to kill anyone what really

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_08]: now we need to make lieutenant Hawkins think they deez and parole to our dirty when you went

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_08]: undercover in the mob how did you convince them you could be trusted easy you just take one of

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_15]: guys and beat them to a pop on for them well that's all well and good but we're not actually dirty

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_14]: we can't just beat somebody up what if that someone gave you permission hey do you want us to beat

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_14]: you up yes please anything to feel alive I was lying before about enjoying walking it sucks and

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_14]: Maryland is a giant pile of garbage okay so we beat the crap out of my fiance and you're okay with this

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_17]: yeah just want to be happy oh yeah sir weird couple but it appears we have a plan okay here

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_14]: the ground rules you can punch me kick me pull my hair I am a okay being stabbed biting and

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_14]: scratching are on the table you can use fire these are the ground rules is there anything off limits

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_14]: damn man you got something really sick you want to do huh no you little pervert all right I like it

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_24]: don't tell me surprise me this is gonna be fun his relationship with rosa is super strange and uncomfortable

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: well to watch yeah but also it works yeah they the justification they give it you you can see why

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you can you can see why these two people would maybe be drawn together and then the fact that

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they their relationship goes on such a fascinating journey that they're gonna get married and then

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: then they realise they rushed into that and then they do actually have to break up and how they deal

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that and then he keeps coming back as a character even though they broke up and how friendship

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: groups negotiate that and work around that not that it's like a central huge storyline that

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it addresses but they do still look at it and deal with it with some maybe sensitivities the wrong

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: word but they put some thought into it at least I agree yeah a lot of shows maybe wouldn't

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_24]: bother with that yeah I agree I agree with that yeah definitely I think even like you said to

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_24]: given not to Cray Robison's Doug Judy there's a similar thing with him in Andy Sandberg you know

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_24]: and they're back and forth which is great but again like you said that the sort of

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_24]: and cilary characters would sometimes be just sort of forgotten about it's nice that they're given

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_24]: their own little mini arc and a chance to wrap things up as well yeah you know it is a lot of fun

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_24]: and like yeah the chemistry the Cray Robison House of Andy Sandberg is just undeniably

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_24]: like you can tell they just have so much fun on screen doing this together

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_15]: I thought you'd be happy to see me but you know so weird oh I don't know I did sleep well last night

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_15]: so I'm probably tired from that oh and also this is a hostage situation wow it's like

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_13]: that yes it's like that what the hell I thought you went straight I did I'm a higher car

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_13]: broken out I procured luxury vehicles for the rich and famous and I do it legally last week

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_13]: I dropped off a begotty to the keep the list from strange to think you bettest and was he cool

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_15]: do him and the rest of the gang hang out in real life you know what no we are not chatting right now you have

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_13]: three hostages you mean you pay I'm in the two bombs you're not hostages I prefer to call them

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_13]: collateral friendships I gave them each 500 bucks I'm on pocket thanks again Doug you the man Doug

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_13]: actually I'd rather still not be a hostage Pam has a come around on me yet tell him a nice person Jake

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_19]: I'm sorry officer are you friends with this criminal? No not really absolutely best friend

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the layered relationship past friends Judy and you I think you feel that with

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: with the whole cast like doing the doing the the standard movie nerd thing of

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: going and reading the IMDB trivia about a show if I'm before you get an upward cast about it

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and like learning that learning that the 99 cool yeah was something that Terry Cruise did

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: till like get the cast pumped up before scenes and then they started putting it in yeah or Andy Sandberg's

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook cook was up was an out of character

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that he would do that they let him incorporate and it really does feel like there's a lot of

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: genuine affection which I'm sure happens on like any show with this kind of format where a lot of the

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: shifting takes place on one soundstage in an office set or or the apartments in friends or whatever

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and you are a core group who are working together five days a week trying to make each other

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of there's got to be I'm sure that's a very common thing but it exudes from the screen

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: in a way that particularly sort of there's obviously this big disparity between British

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: comedy and American comedy and like British comedy is so it's it's much more a surbic and it's much

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: more dry and kind of awkward and I get second hand cringe so badly like I can barely barely

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: watch the original office I can't cope with it because Dave like it's that I get so uncomfortable

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: it gives me anxiety when people are that awkward yeah but I can deal with awkward characters

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in American comedies because there is kind of earnestness underneath it and more and a more

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: willingness to be explicit about when people care about each other where in British comedies it will

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: be the equivalent of after a shouting match it's kind of an odd and a half smile on and they walk away

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and the audience has to be like oh no they're still friends where American comedies are kind of like

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: no look trust me they're threat they love each other really don't worry about it yeah yeah so

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: as a as a chronically anxious person that helps me a great deal I know you mean yeah it's a lot

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_24]: broader I would say is there's the difference I noticed when we compare I contrast a few different

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_24]: shows and it's going to be hopefully a couple this time around as well we'll see that

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah you definitely feel that and I do agree it's I enjoy that as well as as a viewer that sort of

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_24]: some foot blanket of like yeah the explicit they're okay it's fine yeah it's like I agree it's like oh okay

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_24]: I can relax now and I mean yeah I mean this is done 150 three episodes I've got here over eight

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_24]: years you'd hope they'd get on that you know that's a lot of times together yeah yeah yeah they

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it it feels unlikely that it would have gone on as long as it did if they didn't exactly along

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_24]: exactly and I always say and I do believe it for every show like it really comes through in the

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_24]: art if everyone's working together because it's a collaborative thing there's an ensemble cast

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_24]: you know you've got the writers director so on like if everyone's getting on and just having a

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_24]: good time making the most of it it's going to come through everyone's going to give their best yeah

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_24]: I would yeah always think that I mean speaking of them I'm sort of looking through the cast list

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_24]: we mentioned earlier I think Stephanie Beatrice's rosy ds has got to be another one of those

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_24]: like scenes dealing characters yeah the like you said similar to Raymond Holt in the kind of

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_24]: stoic I don't show my emotions sort of thing but I think played with a slightly different edge

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: which are quite like well I think part of it is having the fact that that character is a woman

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: right for a start like the the real badass well I suppose now they've got Terry and he's obviously

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: just an enormous but he's like Terry's kind of in in the slightly uh he's like a teddy bear to me

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah well I I kind of I was about to say the big dumb jock but he's not dumb no but Terry's a jock

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's sort of high energy and he's massive and intimidating but he's lovely yeah and that would

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it would normally be a bloke who is sort of the dark scary what and it being roser is absolutely

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: genius and the juxtaposition of her being the character that everyone's actually afraid of is great

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and if anything she obviously does develop and go on an emotional journey with the characters as well

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: because she does become confident enough to come out to them and start to open up a little bit more

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but of all the characters by the end of the entire show she's still like I'm not gonna tell you

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: if I'm dating someone or not and I'm maybe I'm single maybe it appears like I'm still never

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna let you go every anytime any of you come to my apartment I'm gonna move so none of you

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: know where I live yeah and she's almost aside from hitchcocking scully she maybe changes the least

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: right and it would it would be easy for her as a character to kind of fade into the background or to

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: be too similar to Hulk but there's there's real power and nuance in the way that those characters

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: are written that they are so similar and yet still so different. I told Kevin about how I approved

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_08]: of your strategy for breaking up in markets and he said that we were quote sociopaths unquote.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_08]: So you're gonna leave him. No I think it may have a point you might need to do more than simply

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_17]: text along drawn out breakup is just gonna end in a big scene and Mark's crying he has so many emotions

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_17]: just oh beautiful how must they love each other it's a commercial

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_08]: for a refrigerator yes it is daunting but I did some research on amicable breakups

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I visited www.ladiesgoodhealthmag.com backslash 6 high-fin relationship backslash 867 599904

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_08]: backslash 9432 and 20.html do you know that's like yeah well apparently it's less painful if you

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_08]: acknowledge not dumpees feelings but don't worry we'll practice I'll be Marcus go

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_17]: Marcus I think we should break up that makes me feel sad I'm sad you're sad this is noted

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like I'm always thank you for breaking up with me it will take the 8 minutes to collect my things

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_24]: I think they're very well yeah I agree and I think some of the things you've pointed out there

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_24]: are because of that right like you said it's the fact that A she's a woman and her experience

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_24]: is going to be different in this in this world be the way that she is still kind of more closed

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_24]: off you're right like I enjoy the jokes of like you know they I think there's a couple of

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_24]: seasons for the finite where she lives and she's like I'm gonna have to move now and then like what

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_24]: you know they don't have a side and like you said and then by the end of it there's that natural

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_24]: curiosity everyone's like oh we want to be involved in each other's lives and she's kind of like no

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_24]: just I still want a bit of distance on a bit of space which yeah it's it's growth but to a point

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_24]: and that's totally fine because a lot of those things still define her characteristic it's

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not completely changing the character yeah you shouldn't have to it's good that they

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that they make the point with her character in particular that like no you know if your

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: if you are comfortable and happy and functioning the way you are is the person that you are

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: then you don't have to change just because that's what the audience or society

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: expects of you if you're happy having your own space and only seeing your friends at a bar

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and that being how you live your life then you live your damn life yeah yeah and also I want

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_24]: to give a shout out to her for the performance because it took a long time for me to realize

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_24]: that that was not her speaking voice dude that blew my mind I don't know about you yeah and like

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in in the pilot where she's where she they still clearly haven't quite decided on it and her

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: voice is that little bit higher and you don't really notice and then was it last year or the year

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: before in Canto comes out yeah and it's like hang on yeah hold on this is Rose deias who

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in her effectively natural speaking voice complesably play like a 15 16 year old girl and there's

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: wow yeah which is really mental but yeah just that's an incredible

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: incredible performance like as I did I was a singer when I was a kid I trained as an actor

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: in another life 15 years ago and to be able to maintain a voice that's that much lower than your

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: role like it would be like me convincingly having my voice be this pitch more the time and it

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: being a believable voice that my character has and that's yeah so hard yeah it's so difficult

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and she absolutely nails it it's so great in it yeah it is and I thank you for the demonstration

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_24]: by the way because she really great and also like yeah that that is it it's like she's dropping

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_24]: I think I must be dropping her a larynx or something down or like just like it's not alternating

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_24]: the pitch and like yeah to do that and to keep it in a way that is so natural and I never question

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_24]: it genius I think anything like that it just to me it always blows my mind as it's a performer

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_24]: I'm just like that's phenomenal yeah absolutely brilliant moving around I want to talk a little bit

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_24]: about Melissa Femaro as Amy Santiago because I think she's another great character and her sort of

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_24]: will they weren't they would Jake is kind of again this sort of typical sitcom trope yeah

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: but I wonder what your thoughts are on that and and how that worked it is I was kind of

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: surprised when they did actually get together right because up until that point it had seemed like

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: a show that was almost actively avoiding following those kind of tropes but they they really do make

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: work and they're they're journey through the first season is really really funny having them be

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: competitive and all the scenes where they're the tally of their um felony arrests is going up

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and then Jake winning the bet and they have to go on the date and it's a terrible day and that

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: date really does do the the bulk of their heavy lifting I can imagine finding it less satisfying

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: if I happen come to the show via Netflix where it had already had maybe four or five seasons

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: already available to watch uh-huh then I might not feel quite as as positive about it as I do

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: okay but the fact that my first journey through I imagine on my first watch through they were

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: getting up to getting engaged and so in in the space of a few weeks

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah probably actually it may it might have been in lockdown so it could well have been in the

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_24]: space of like three days oh same here yeah yeah how do you think I managed to do the first

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_24]: sit console mirror and I've watched I love it sure and I'm not judging from it here yeah

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean well yeah I think it was a lot of people's experience but I I was able to keep that date

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: in the back of my mind and where they they just build they sit on this rooftop and they

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: they go called away from the terrible day and they just have to sit on a stakeout and you

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: feel the connection and you feel the walls come down a little bit and I think what's clever is that

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: the will they won't they is prolonged and there are points where you do actually believe that like

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: oh no maybe maybe their ships have passed in the night and obviously not with Teddy Teddy is never

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: ever a serious it is never a human enough character that he would ever be a believable partner for

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_24]: Santiago what of my favorite recurring jokes in the whole show it's just him constantly proposing

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_24]: pills not and it's just so both of those so good you're right like particularly

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_24]: pills no it's like a running joke with a few friends of mine now and I feel like you're at a bar

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_24]: no way yeah was that knowing look

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_15]: Teddy think fast drink menu oh I'm sorry man check that right at you it just thought you really

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_15]: wanted a drink I never needed a drink then you I got the thrills for the pills

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because I'm a pills man honestly I'd kind of forgotten about him always proposing

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_24]: I just goes right up into the final season and I just like I'm so glad they kept that it's such a ridiculous

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_24]: bit so funny shout out to Kyle Bournehyro just absolutely nails the tone of that character but

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah sorry to go back to what you were saying yeah no no it's fine but you you do have

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: evil and gauria yeah yeah she pops up yeah um as jakes girlfriend of lawyer and they've got a

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: really nice they've got a really they've got great chemistry and you start to feel like I'll maybe

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that could work and then they sort of drift apart a bit more but then when it does pull together

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I really think they make it work and trying to hide it and then the fact that they're trying to

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: hide it and they're kissing in the store cupboard and that kills Bill Hayders replacement captain is

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely priceless like absolutely fantastic the fact that they were brave enough to kill off

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Bill Hayders guest character in a single episode yeah like he walks in you and like okay

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he's gonna be around for a while and that subversions fantastic and the the forging of their

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship through that kind of crucible and they're proposal happening in a Halloween

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: heist in the same store room there is again I'm gonna use the word earnest yeah it's just so earnest

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_06]: that it it works my only question is which box is the built-in well good luck figuring it out

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_15]: because the clock is tick tick talking it's that one no that does pattern on top doesn't match its neighbors

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_06]: you see Jake I'm always gonna be one step ahead of you you've lost the ability to surprise me

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_06]: you're just plain boring again we were taken on a very loving relationship and it's midnight so

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I'm an amazing human slash genius yeah although you might want to read the inscription on that

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_06]: bell why oh no what does it say Amy Santiago we're marrying me surprise I'm so confused I don't

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_15]: know what's happening right now I'm so confused I don't know what's happening right now title your

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_06]: sex tape oh my god I'm shaking I'm definitely gonna cry title of your sex tape wait is this really

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_06]: happening is this part of the heist if this is part of the heist I will dump you so hard no please

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_15]: like it's really happening okay it's not part of the heist I promise this is real it is yeah

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_15]: okay here goes aims I love you I love how smart you are I love how beautiful you are

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_15]: I love your face and I love your butt I should have written this down first no no okay go on

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_15]: I love how much you pretend to like die hard I like the second one you don't have to okay yeah

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_15]: you're kind and you're funny and you're the best person I know and

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_15]: the best detective also for real I love your butt I love yours too gross

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Amy Santiago will you marry me Jake Pralda I will marry you

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and I at someone pointed out to me it's not it's something I'm ashamed to say I didn't spot for myself

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: if you watch the way that Jake refers to Amy through the show and so in season one she is always

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Santiago and then it progresses to being Amy and then it becomes aims as they get closer

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and just little touches like that that for a good number of viewers I'm making assumptions

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: for the people they wouldn't clock necessarily but subliminally are those choices in the writing

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I think are what makes it work and their relationship going through the whole show and the fact

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that you get to the very end of the show and it ends with Andy Sandberg who's entire

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: identity is about wanting to be John McLean sort of having having this discussion with her and being like

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you are you've got the career you've got the more promising career of the two of us and I'm

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be a stay-home dad and be a good dad and resolving his entire character, his whole character

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: for the whole show and all of these like deep rooted messed up things that have been driving

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: all of his behavior and to tie it up in that much of a bow that is that subversive is fantastic

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're not to mention Melissa Fumero who my wife knows this so it's okay like Melissa she's my

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: absolute TV crush she's my biggest TV crush on TV it's like just crazy I like she's she's

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: so funny yeah and the she's another character who does take a tiny bit of time to settle and I always

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: notice in the in the pilot there they make such a big thing of like she's got six brothers and so

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: she's super competitive right and then it doesn't take them too long to start pivoting

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: slightly more into she's a hyper nerd yeah and kind of she's not necessarily competitive because

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: she wants to win but she's anxious to please which still works with the character but it's just that

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: little tweak that makes it make sense but she's got she has this journey of trying to work out how

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: to be in a relationship with this absolute man child yeah and like she gets to have the conversations

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like you've got that amazing episode where they discuss having kids right and and the fact that

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I I love that they are like as soon as they start arguing about this and me and my wife are just

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: instantly like how would they not talk about this before they got married and then the characters

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: immediately all start shouting at them at the same time and I like that the writers sort of hung a

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_24]: lamp shade on that but then it also makes sense sorry just a cut off but it also makes sense to me

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_24]: of the characters because it's like well Jake Perolter as you said is a man child so he's not

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_24]: going to think too far ahead in the future about these things and Amy is one of those like for

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_24]: suggest planners that's probably just assumed oh yes it will be this way yeah and it's sort of

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_24]: highlights some of the flaws in those things and hey that's what happens in relationships right you

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_24]: discover things about one another and you're oh okay we need to talk about this and

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_24]: there's lots of things that you can look back on and go oh we should have talked about this before

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_24]: but you don't because you don't think about it you know until you're there and that's just

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: some people are wired so sorry carry on yeah no that's it's a good point though like it's it is

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: a human it's a human thing that people go through and not everything is perfect and these are

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: flawed characters and I guess Amy actually is maybe another character who doesn't she changes in

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: relation to her relationship with Jake and the fact that she does kind of she becomes less oh well

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: no she doesn't even necessarily become less kind of driven or uptight she still takes things

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02]: very seriously she's still getting panicky when she's nervous but they they give her a career

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and that a lot of them a lot is made of the fact that she wants to be a sergeant and she wants

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02]: to be a captain one day and they see that early and you have the when hold when they think the

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: nine nine's being shut down and so her and hold to trying to do all of her mentoring that he

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: wants her in one day and they embrace her being ambitious and wanting to define her life with

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the work that she does and they're not preachy about it they never make a big thing of

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it is a discussion through the final season of like who's gonna look after the kid and who's

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: going to keep working or how are we going to make this work but it's not preachy and it doesn't

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: feel like they're holding up this big social issue and saying look how progressive and brilliant

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: we are that we let Amy have the job and Jake stay at home yeah felt completely right

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and I think that's I think that is worth celebrating that they did that in such a

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in the may understated is probably the wrong isn't a word you can apply to Brooklyn

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_24]: 99 in most situations true but then I kind of think you're right because it's a conversation

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_24]: between them yeah and it's one that makes sense and I was thinking about this a lot and I'm glad

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_24]: you've brought these points up because I think my initial response was quite I was quite surprised

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_24]: as thought oh okay because I think the final season did suffer in general from just being a

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_24]: lockdown production and things winding down and you assume that had that not been the case

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_24]: or they're not been no circumstances that it would have been a standard season possibly yeah

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_24]: or what a thing's would have been drawn out a little bit more whereas a lot of it did feel like

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_24]: it was sort of wrapped up very quickly but to this point I think you're right about it because

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_24]: it used to look at those two characters and it's like well yeah she used the one that's driven

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_24]: and has an end goal Jake's doing it because he feels like he has to prove something

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_24]: and it's all rooted in his abandonment issues around his father that's something they

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_24]: explore a lot to great comedic effect but like it's nice that you then give him that serious

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_24]: moment of like he's a dad now and he has a chance to make it different and that's the conclusion

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_24]: that the character comes to yeah and I think I agree with you on like actually that's quite

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_24]: beautiful in a way it's a nice sort of way of wrapping up that character yeah there could be a

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: discussion to be had about how Amy's growth as a character is sort of mostly in the context of the

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: man that she's with but to be like Jake's growth as a character is it largely associated

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: with the woman that he's with yeah people grow in relationship yeah and so I'm kind of I try to be

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: as aware of the sort of gender and political makeup and in show yeah because I enjoy

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: assessing media in that way and trying to make connections or assumptions maybe that aren't

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: even there but I'm a big fan of YouTube video essays and it's clearly affected my psyche yeah

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's even so I think that she is a strong enough character and you get you still get to meet

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: her family and have a deeper understanding of the way she is and having Lynn and well Miranda

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: show up as her even more exceptional brother and her actually that's that's a really good episode

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that she does she has to accept that her brother is kind of a better cop than her

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: in order to save Jake's life and that she's able to do that and so she does have these moments

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: the mattress the mattress episode where they're fighting over getting the new mattress

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and she wins that argument and yeah well they can't they move in together instead but yeah it

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it could have been that there are some some parts of it that in a super duper ideal world

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe could have been more fleshed out for Amy but this is a large ensemble cast she does

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: still have a decent amount of growth and I think as stereotypical sit-comcentral romantic relationships

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_24]: go it's at minimum perfectly fine agreed so it switching gears then I'll also talk about

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_24]: Terry Cruz one of my favorite performers just I think the guy's brilliant

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_24]: got a lot of respect for this man in many ways and his performance in this I think is just incredible

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah he's up there was one of my favorite characters I think give this entire show

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: he's he benefits along with Andre Brower and Stephanie Beatrice yeah in that because

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: he's because he's black a lot of the most hard-hitting subjects that the show deals with

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he gets to be a central part of those storylines oh agreed yeah was there's no one we're like

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_24]: a cop like goes to put a gun on him and his name he gets profiled yeah and it's

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: hard-breaking and he has to decide whether to complain and halt tells him not to complain

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: because it might affect his career and just all of this stuff and so the reason that I say that is

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say he's lucky because no Terry Cruz is a fantastic performer

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: comedically regardless like his hysterical he can do he can give a glare and intimidating but

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: also funny glare in a way that he's got the same kind of facial agility as Jim Carrey

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: he can really contort his face and for incredible comic effect but then more than a lot of the other

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: characters he also gets to show some really really affecting emotional like angry upset character moments

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and so I yeah I understand why he's your he's one of your favorite characters yeah yeah I've just

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_24]: learned a bit more about his life I recently listened to like a sort of biography of his and I

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_24]: look he's done a couple but yeah the one I'd recommend I think it's I think it's called to

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_24]: me like his journey to true power or something like that it's got a bit of a cheesy title but

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_24]: stay with it it's like it's a really interesting book okay and he just talks a lot about

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_24]: trauma and pain and like his growth through it and the life that he's learned it's really

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_24]: interested me and then I sort of reflect on that and his performance in the character and I get

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_24]: the sense that the writers were sort of very conscious of some of this and like he strikes me as a

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_24]: very open guy and a lot of stuff that he talks about he addressed openly during his time on the show

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_24]: and he kind of get the sense that they must have with his permission no doubt kind of weave some

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_24]: of these bits into all like tapped in to let him show his full range because I gather I don't want

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_24]: to say it was like stunt casting but you can imagine a character like him you know ex-athedly

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_24]: that a lot of the time their careers are just like you play the big guy and like they're going

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_24]: wrong some guys do really well at that make good paycheck but then you get people like him you get

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_24]: people like I look at like Dave Patester and the movie world he's doing as people like that

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_24]: that are clearly looking for something more and like no no I want to like get good at this

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_24]: they apply that mindset that they would have had to to frankly to be an athlete to being in

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_24]: the condition at their end right you've got to be driven you've got to be disciplined you're like

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_24]: no I'm practicing this I'm rehearsing this I'm doing this every day it's clear he's applying

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_24]: the same discipline his craft is acting like just really respect that and yeah some of the

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_24]: Beth like you said some of the best moments come out of it some of the dynamics that he has with

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_24]: with Andre Brower as well it's like two black men with authority in the police force they

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_24]: address that and many episodes which is really interesting and also he just to me has some

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_24]: of the most ridiculous moments that I just really funny like I want that I get one that lives

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_24]: rent free in my head is and it all comes from him being a dad which is like another side of him

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_24]: is really sweet but the whole like him with Mr Snuggles and then saying hey comes Mr Snuggles I'm

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_24]: going to put the clip in here because it's just brilliant I know everybody's worried about me being

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_09]: psychologically ready for this but I promise you I am no matter what happens no matter how many

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_09]: bullets of flying I'm going to be right there in the middle of everything I got your back no it's not

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_15]: even that you know it's just well frankly I'm not so sure that everyone at the gym is going to buy

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_15]: you as a trainer you've been sitting behind that desk for so long you've got a little tubby right it's

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_09]: like love handle alert do you have a bone there somehow Jay I promise I'm good oops I got to put this

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_09]: stuff to wrap between my two girls people like the Snuggles is hit

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_24]: and then there's the stuff with him like getting angry that he can't build a plastic castle for

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_24]: his pieces like the typical dad things or like the fact that he's also a bit of a nerd you know

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_24]: and loves these guys you've got you know there's like all these little bits of him that you get to

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_24]: see and like he has I think it's a brother and law or brother called Zeech who's even bigger than

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_24]: him yes and like there's stuff like that that they weave in that it's just really cool so

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah exactly and it's brilliant and it's stuff like that again that like you said he plays

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_24]: it really well as a physical performance you know but also yeah just with a lot of heart

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_24]: and I think that's what I really love about the character and like you said like similar to

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_24]: some of the other characters stays pretty consistent you know he's got his values he's a family man

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_24]: he you know just wants to keep the peace he wants to do a good job as a police officer and that

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_24]: pretty much stays throughout the show there's no like crazy big journey he needs to go on yeah

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: just does his job yeah and that's another thing that I really respected about the the

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: final season where they did so much rewriting in there in the wake of everything that happened

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: with George Floyd and yeah like life matter in the States and the fact that the coverage that I

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: was a decision that was made by the team for him to be front centre or whether news organizations

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: were approaching Terry Cruz specifically because he's black to talk about these issues but the

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: fact that he was sort of the face of the fact that these guys knew that making a comedy about being

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: an American police officer in that time was about to become something that needs a great deal

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: care and thought yeah let alone portraying being a black police officer during that period of time

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and the fact that they scrapped a bunch of episodes and just went back to the drawing board

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and allowed the cast to to have such an impact on the the the underlying values of this show

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like especially given in the States that generally speaking creatives are more left than right and

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah they're they're more likely to be anti like more inline with defunding the police and

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: those kinds of arguments right and the fact that they let that be real and and they let those

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: discussions enter to the story lines and and that they address that rather than pretending everything

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: carried on as normal like the fact that they had episodes that showed people in masks in having to be

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: socially distanced yeah and I there's not many shows that have done that a lot of shows have

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of just carried on and pretended that COVID didn't happen and a lot of movies are the same

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like if you watch a contemporary movie that there's there no one mentions that COVID's happened we're

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: just carrying on like like that wasn't a real thing that affected everyone and this show went no

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: no this is this is a this is a big thing that our audience went through with us and we should

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_24]: acknowledge that yeah agreed and it's one of those that I think definitely affected the final season

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_24]: you know like you said without a diet they had to address a lot of these issues yeah um and you

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_24]: can tell that kind of I get the impression it probably cut short a lot of things and it was like

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_24]: okay time to wrap this up because yeah how much more can we do with this and and I fair enough

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_24]: because that's just a minefield now that you kind of stepping around and I don't know about you I

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_24]: felt like and I'm saying this is a white guy from England you know like yeah

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_24]: great of salt here but like yeah genuinely I was quite impressed with the way they handle

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_24]: a lot of those things I thought they were very respectful in the given they gave a mini

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_24]: arch about police corruption with an amazing guess performance from John C. McGinley one of my

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_24]: favorite comedic answers yes it was great to see him back but also like you know again they added

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_24]: that kind of level of silliness and absurdness and bringing that character but whilst also

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_24]: being straight with it you know and then there's the whole back and forth like Rosa leaving the police

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_24]: force to become a PI as a result in like there's real consequences and like

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_24]: Raymond and Kevin's relationship breaking down and like needing to fix that it's the things

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_24]: up that they kind of woven the like yeah fair enough like you've you've addressed this in a way that

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_24]: makes sense yeah it's it's a really really interesting one and I agree I know Terry Cruz I know

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_24]: for a fact again this thing to the book was sort of in it I mean to an extent that like

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_24]: obviously he's a black actor and he kind of he talks it's quite interesting he talks about

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_24]: his experience through social media on that front I won't say anymore like just go and listen

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_24]: to what the guys to say because it's a very interesting perspective I've already added it to my

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_24]: audible wishlist yeah it's very good and like yeah it's a bit towards the end and we kind of

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_24]: talks about this and he's very balanced um in talking about it but yeah it just it like you said

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_24]: it was one of those towards the end of the final series it was like oh man you guys have got

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_24]: a lot of things to address but generally speaking I think fair play and that's definitely something

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_24]: that's worth acknowledging yeah I agree switching gears ever society to the more absurd

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_24]: because we're not talking about I might just prove some of these characters together but like

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_24]: you've got Charles Boyle H. Cocker Scully and Gene and the Lynette and the White's have me to say

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_24]: just some of the most ridiculous characters I think yeah ever seen in any comedy ever

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but I love everything going on in the middle of about you yeah absolutely there they're all

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: scene steelers and yes you've got hitchcock and scully uh duck blocker and John McKinnon Miller

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: yes thank you sorry um yeah just they are they're the one liners and yeah in season one they're

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: not even credited in the main cast they're effectively like glorified extras yeah and I do

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: appreciate that as they go through the show they they were moved up to starring credits and then they

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: got main season credits for the last year yeah seasons even though they they still don't necessarily

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: play a great they don't necessarily do a great deal of stuff other than add additional absurd

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: comic relief yeah but I'm really glad that the show recognized the value of that like having these

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: two older guys and the the deep well of comedy that can come from from both of them and just you've

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: got there beautifully innocent stupidity of scully yeah and and just when they they they trick

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: people into giving them pizza even though they're lactose intolerant yeah because they're trying

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to prove that they stole the pizza and then they need it all and then they have to run to the toilet

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and just I can just hear him his like shot of move my bro bro yeah and hitchcock being there

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: being the like the grim the dirty when rose comes out as being by and she takes one minute of

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: questions and he goes into us the last question she's like no absolutely not no way he goes that was a

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: good choice it was not tasteful yeah and they don't need to be any more than that but they also have

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: this really sweet kind of this friendship that develops between them and how much they care for each other

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and how just those like that one or two episodes where you get to see that they can actually be

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: good at their job if they want to be but they're happy just doing paperwork and snoozing in

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: office chairs and kind of making the most of that and the feeling that they earned that and the

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: flashback episode to them in the 80s with the guy from Jack Reacher on Amazon as scully and

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: seeing that they're descent into an obsession with chicken wings yeah all came from their desire to

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: deal money from a case to keep a woman safe and like safe alive and so they're just fab we can

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_22]: keep it in my office until it's time to leave what you have in the pastry box sir brownie

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_22]: now you hold brownie from the side he's holding it from the bottom true maybe it's cheesecake there's

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_22]: no condensation on the box it's room temperature look at the finger spread tancy in the shoulders

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_08]: he's supporting something dense it's a pie it is a pie damn now is impressive but this is not just

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: any pie it's an English Warner pie from the cottage in in serotonous brains

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: a minute I drive all the way upstairs for it every year it's the finest sweet treat on earth

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: even better than our plane scone wow hey good huh similarly uh Gina Lynetti is just

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of all of them being the utterly absurd like completely absurd bananas yeah like just vocal

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: on sequitters and doing such a good job of that yeah and her relationship with halt

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: especially and it's similarly to the way jakes relationship works going from

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: halt being baffled by this woman and just not being able to get anything productive out of her

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: developing into them then working together and drawing good things out of each other and pushing

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and being inspired by each other through to her decision to leave the precinct which as far as I know

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was her asking to leave I think the show they kind of I think she may have been

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: written out of the show but I've I have tried to look this up before and I haven't managed to find

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_24]: anything definitive but I'm not a detective I do wonder if it is anything to do with I think so few

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_24]: of them you know pregnant and I think like Melissa femero was for a bit of a season and they

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_24]: work around that in a way it's quite clever and then like but I think Chelsea Pretty was as well

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_24]: and again maybe that was it I think that's the case I think they kind of wrote it in

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_24]: right you know it's like you said I'm not too sure either but I mean it was kind of a shame to

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_24]: see a go but also like that they made her go out why basically turning her into like a sort of weird

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_24]: it makes sense really works any of anyone else you'd be like that's ridiculous this shows

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: lost the plot without when you go oh no fair enough yeah but like she's she is so so damn funny

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah just I I can't I'm struggling to think the the drinking cement bit that just keeps

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of y'all just drag cement and then having to when she wins the Halloween

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: heist because they they don't take her seriously because she's a civilian not caught

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and the little bits where they tease out that her and Jake have known each other for a

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: really long time yeah and they don't like set that up they don't make a big deal of it but just

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the bit where they realize that they both know a woman because her dog has lupus and her buying

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Jake's nanas apartment and renting her out to and all of this kind of stuff she is another character

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: who could have just been in the way that hitchcock and scully are in the background saying and

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: doing occasional funny stuff but that just being what they are but she becomes a more fully rounded

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: character she's got the episode where her apartment gets broken into yeah and everyone's getting

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: really annoyed because she's asking loads of favors of them and they realize it's because she's

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: afraid yeah they have to accept the fact that she's crying for crying out for help even though she's

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not got the personality or the faculties to actually ask for help yeah in its straightforward way

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_08]: no signs of forced entry of the door but the window was Jimmy you're a locks on your windows

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_16]: way to blame the victim sorry I'm not rich like you miss 1% they cost eight dollars you have a

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_16]: fur bed spread why do you have so many like robotic suits and why do you need eight full drawers

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_16]: of underwear because I'm civilized let's talk and talk more solvies solve we need to itemize

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_08]: list of everything that was stolen how to give it to Captain Hulk 160 dollars in cash one tv

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_08]: one large painting of a naked lady on a lion one set of Joseph Gordon-Levitt nesting dolls

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_08]: homemade and irreplaceable one music box that plays she works hard for the money when

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_16]: opened one knockoff designer clutch it's just buying on a knockoff no I can't silly sue

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_16]: because the label no longer makes the original so the sweatshop no longer makes the knockoff

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_16]: can you estimate the value of everything that was taken emotionally 700 million dollars

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_24]: it's kind of interesting as well in a precinctful of police officers she's arguably the one that

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_24]: yields the most power like she's like the popular kid in the class yes you know I like

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_24]: you said there's all the dynamics the back and forth with everybody I like that her and Amy

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_24]: have this sort of like popular girl nerd girl kind of dynamic but like even though she does

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_24]: clearly like Amy she just sort of is almost like yeah but I can't be seen to hang out with you

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_24]: kind of like very very silly petting us but it's fun it goes all the way through as well like

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: one where the the subtext it's perhaps more British as we were discussing right what feels like

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: five hours ago I've been wondering on so much I'm sorry don't it's a podcast if you

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: be weird if you didn't yeah okay thank you I appreciate that but like yet she there are obviously

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: one or two moments where she does kind of make it more explicit that she does like Amy but she's savage

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: she's absolutely savage through the entire show and every time you think that there's a situation

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: for her to say something nice and she says something really not kind and it's perfectly

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: bitch and you then get into the segue here into my favorite kind of secondary character yeah

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: which is Charles because they end up being being a couple they then end up being step siblings

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and it's so grim it's it's hysteric and the the way Joe Lotrulio I think I don't know if

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it's traglio or truly I don't know how to pronounce it I will look it up and put it in here it's

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: true Lio thank you um the the way that he plays boil is just it's just fabulous because it is

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: is bonkers I appreciate that they do carry the they do carry the joke through the whole show but

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: it does tone down a bit but where he's like psychosecule obsessed with Jake yeah yeah and they they

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: make it work they really do make it feel maybe not believable but it makes sense for the character

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and him just being awkward and unaware and always saying obscenely sexual things and not

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_11]: realising that's doing it what are these these madam are STDs what are you talking about buddy

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_11]: STDs say the dates for Vivian and my wedding oh yes hey just that curiosity how many

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_15]: people have you given STDs too lots like a hundred what's going on oh okay I get it

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_11]: STD has another meaning that your gross no one else is gonna think that everyone is going to

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_06]: think that but it's sweet that your mind didn't go there thank you it is kind of sweet will your first

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_11]: chance be to you give me fever will you be serving craves the reception do you have her be

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_11]: guys this is my wedding this is important to me no more jokes you're right and we're sorry

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_15]: we love you buddy works at all sorry I made a rash decision I was itching to say it okay I'm done

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: hi I'm Ness TD and getting in the relationship with the older with the older professor but then

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that gets really serious and like yeah you have the moment where he's so in love with Vivian and she's

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: going for a boy Canada he's going for a boy yeah but and but indeed when he goes for a boy and

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and Jake has to sort of accept oh wait no he's found someone who wants that someone who

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: appreciate him for who he is and they get engaged and it looks really good and then you have

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: to have the discussion of oh she she's gonna move away and I'm I'm gonna quit and go with her

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and then dealing with like how do how on earth do you deal with that like if you imagine one

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of your best friends being head over heels with someone who's perfect for them yeah but then

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: then having to move away and leave their career and leave everything they've ever known

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: behind them and how on earth do you try and navigate with that with them yeah and and figure out

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: what their best interests are and how to encourage them to figure that out for themselves

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and the show addresses that yeah which is really really hard it's really deep it is yeah

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_24]: and I love that that leans into the fact that him and Jake are friends you know it's not just a

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_24]: one side of thing obviously Charles is way more intense with it you know it's a great community

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_24]: effect but it is there is a genuine reciprocal friendship there which is also really nice

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah you know and it leans into that and one of my favorite things in the entire show

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_24]: is the absolute mess that is the oil family tree it's one of my favorite things just

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_24]: when you meet the whole clan and they're all living on a farm and they're where the same clothes

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_24]: yeah and it's like oh they're all the same and it's just explains so much of white Charles as

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_24]: he is and like they all greet each other we're saying I love you and hugging each other and

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_24]: it's you know there's a whole episode of thinking the final season we're like they're trying to figure

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_24]: out I think there's an SM sort of fraud or crime or like someone's trying to be written that

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_24]: kicking Charles out of a will yeah and what the whole giveaway is that one of them is like slightly

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_24]: less than absolutely absurdly loving yeah then like it's just a tiny little thing but it's like a

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: huge giveaway to the rest of them yeah it's cousin Sam yeah that's right and number the dough is it

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_24]: the mother dough yes yeah the mother sourdough yeah yeah I like yeah his obsession with food as well

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_24]: like another little character work it's quite endearing and quite bizarre yeah and and it's just

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not they never make absolutely enormous thing of it but it's it's consistent and it's there

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and and it feels really genuine and when you get you get the really really lovely bit where

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: halt goes to Charles to teach him how to cook breakfast for Kevin for their anniversary right yeah

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it comes in handy yeah and oh well actually know they do they do go in in the food a bit the food

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: truck yeah where he's like inner inner Gordon Ramsay comes out yeah again again slanted again

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_02]: also also the the recurring gag of Nikolash yeah oh my god it's yeah so good and then like they deal with

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: they deal with adopting and building a family that way and yeah oh hang on I just sorry I just

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_24]: realized yes yeah who is it the place's ex-wife good in an episode oh it's Catherine Han that's right

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_24]: I thought it was a big name yeah so good so amazing that just I just remember that's one of my

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_24]: favorite episodes yeah because it's just you hear a lot about his wife and like the fact

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_24]: that he lives in a basement and she's just up with like a gym with her feelings yeah like that's right

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_24]: and then you meet her and it's like of course it's Catherine Han just playing it to perfection

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and like there I was I was half expecting her to be played as actually being really nice

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: then to them to be to maybe be a bit subversive and be like oh no all this time

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that he says that her she and Hercules are really good landlords and

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it all kind of works that maybe they would be like oh yeah does it does sort of work it's it it's okay

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Charles is all right and then actually no she's a monster yeah and she's she hit an elderly

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: vicar with her car and she makes Charles go and black so good but I get it it's like it is

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_24]: genomic is just a realising it was it's talking about all the characters in the scenarios

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_24]: it feels like almost like that um improv comedy rule of like yes anding and like everything

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_24]: that they describe or the character whether it's a scenario that they've been in or a trait that they

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_24]: have it's like they then go one step further and add something else to it and that it's

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_24]: what I said earlier the specificity of it like they add something really weird and specific

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_24]: the jep it's like the cherry on top and you're like yep that's it that's comedy gold and they just

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_24]: consistently do it for a whole series so the point where I'm I don't know about you

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_24]: I feel like this is just a really great run all the way through when you said it at the start

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_24]: like it doesn't have the wobbly first season people get nice wraps up wrap ups at the end

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_24]: I mean yes okay they had to work around some real-world issues but it did their best with it

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_24]: I don't know about you man but I feel like this is one of those shows that it's just a great

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: watch right the way through yeah completely agree I think they they maybe have the benefit of

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a lot of the episodes don't even really revolve around a crime

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but they do also have that kind of out where that they've come up with this is an entirely hypothetical

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: situation but I can imagine the writers being alright we've got to get 22 episodes for the season

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the character the character journeys that we want to have we want Jake and Amy to end up here

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and we know that we've got a really good Charles and Holt episode and and and we've got a great

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: genorepsod and Terry's gonna have these things happen but they do have the benefit where

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: other shows would have to come up with okay we need to fill three episodes about a paper company

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: what's kind of what's funny about that how do we deal with that with for this show they can just be like

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: right okay we need a crime we're gonna go out and this episode we're gonna go and solve the crime

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and so where there might in other shows be the possibility of a bit of a low

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they've got the full back of you know we could let's do let's do an exciting kidnapping or let's do

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: we can do Charles having to be saved by Captain Peanut Butter again or whatever else

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I think you're entirely right I can't think of any parts of this show where an episode

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: comes on and you just go oh I might just skip this one you are guaranteed to be laughing

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout any episode of this show absolutely at the bare minimum and I think that's an

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_24]: achievement that should be celebrated couldn't agree more and I'm gonna have a ton of fun

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_24]: trying to find clips displacing this so this is gonna be a big one but yeah I couldn't agree more

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_24]: and I think that's just a perfect place to wrap it up man I mean thank you so much Drew for coming

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: on and sharing this wonderful show with us all no Harley thank thank you for having me it's been

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I've thoroughly enjoyed this and I will continue to encourage the rest of the guys from sequel

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: come on and likewise as soon as we can get it organized we would love to have you over on

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_24]: sequel pitch as well did that would be my honor I yeah I've done a few guest spots recently and I've

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_24]: really enjoyed them but yeah and I'd likewise hope to hear more from you guys at sequel pitch

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[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: people find you tell them all about sequel pitch so yeah I am one of the one of the creators and

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: hosts and editor and blah blah of sequel pitch which is a movie podcast where we review a movie that

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[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: good nature we have a lot of fun you can also you can find me on most social media places I'm still

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[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_24]: of the podcast. Bye!

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_20]: just remember that you playing the fire there's $250,000 lining the walls of the banana stand

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_20]: what cash Michael what can you tell me how much clearer can I say there's always money in the