Ghosts, Cults & Aliens With The Brown Brothers! Ep.73

[00:00:09] Right then guys, welcome back to The Spooky Shed Podcast. Liam here as always and of course Billy is not here because Billy is a twat. But I've got two special guests with me tonight so I've got Ryan and Tyler from The Brown Brothers Haunting Hour. So Ryan Tyler, welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much for having us. We are excited to be here. You are also the first host to ever get our podcast name right so two thumbs way up to you.

[00:00:38] It's not hard to get right is it? Well I wouldn't have thought so. Thank you. We didn't think so either but apparently it's very difficult. Fair enough. Like I said Billy's not here so and as I just said to you there I'm getting all our guests now to give him some sort of abuse so do you guys just want to call him a dick or something? Yeah Billy man, you're being a real asshole. We're here all the way from the United States and you know you couldn't even show up for us. Not cool.

[00:01:07] Perfect, perfect. Right so I've been listening to your podcast a lot recently so and I actually listened to your most recent episode today which was weird as fuck. Is it Bobby McKay's? Yeah Bobby Mackie's Music World down in Kentucky. Yeah.

[00:01:29] I wrote down here because I wanted to bring it up just to quickly mention the legend of Pearl Bryan and you guys said that obviously she was like five months pregnant and she was with someone who was a newbie dentist and so I don't know if I've heard it right but he was a dentist and then he was going to perform an abortion.

[00:01:50] Yeah so that individual he actually knew Pearl's husband so they were buddies and it was right yeah it was surmised that Pearl's husband kind of set this up. He you know people think that he didn't really want the kid so he said hey you know I have a friend and him and his associate they're going to take care of you at this.

[00:02:11] It wasn't Bobby Mackie's yet but it was an abandoned slaughterhouse and allegedly what happened was instead of performing the abortion they actually sacrificed her to the devil. So that's what the the story is down there. Either way you know whether it was going to be an abortion whether it was going to be I mean you could assume that that wasn't going to go well anyway if he was a dentist not even a doctor.

[00:02:37] It's just it's it's a really spooky story to hear about when you kind of add all of the lore in that specific area. Yeah definitely. I mean it shows how much weird stuff I've been looking into since doing this podcast because the weirdest part of that to me was the fact that it was going to be a dentist performing an abortion.

[00:02:59] Yeah what do they say in the hangover he's like uh is there a doctor in the house and then Phil is like don't worry he's just a dentist. Yeah yeah that's a very good point. Right so with our guests now what we do is so we ask our guests now to leave something in the shed with us so it can be anything it can be a place a person a feeling a thing anything you guys want so what are you guys going to leave in the shed with us?

[00:03:25] Yeah so I've been thinking about this all week actually and I've decided that I'm going to bring into the spooky shed the silver scream album by ice nine kills. They're a band from Massachusetts who you know they've released a couple albums now that each song represents a different horror movie and they do an unbelievable job.

[00:03:49] Me and Tyler are big fans of Spencer Sharnas and the band Ice Nine Kills so I'm going to bring in their their album the silver scream one into the spooky shed. Nice I like it. So mine's a bit two-part so the first is I'm going to leave a bottle of Johnny Walker scotch because yeah number one it has helped us through a lot of episodes here at the Brown Brothers Haunting Hour.

[00:04:17] Number two would be just some plain advice so we get a lot of people who when they listen to our podcast they say things like you know how did you become a podcaster like what's the the rate of success what should I do things like that. But it's really something that's like there are ebbs and flows when you're a podcaster you have good days you have bad days you have as far as month to month listeners go they're really high months really low months.

[00:04:46] So if you are thinking about doing a podcast it is something that's you know there are setbacks but my advice is every setback is a chance to come back. So as long as you are dedicated and you know you are interested in your your niche your topic whatever it is you can make it happen if Ryan and myself can make it happen anyone can do it. Now that's class I love that that's brilliant.

[00:05:09] It kind of leads into my next point so do you want to do you want to quickly tell any of our listeners that haven't heard of you guys about your podcast what you do when you started whose idea it was. Yeah it was almost a joint effort so it was in 2020 so pretty much right in the the pandemic right in like the center of the pandemic. Ryan and myself we found that we had a lot more free time on our hands.

[00:05:33] We were in the same area for the first time since college I think and we said hey you know we were listening to Lore which was one of the first podcasts that really took off. What's his name right in his Aaron Aaron Mankey he was the host of Lore and you know it was him the Joe Rogan experience those like the podcast that really started to take off during the pandemic.

[00:05:57] And like I said we had more free time on our hands and we said to each other like hey you know it would be really fun to try to do a horror oriented podcast where we bring cool urban legends. Uh where we bring our past experiences as ghost investigators. We've both been into the horror genre since we were really little. We actually have an episode on our podcast platforms um on Spotify on Apple about like 90s horror nostalgia and how Ryan and myself got into that so if you guys are more interested check that one out.

[00:06:27] But we just said hey let's let's give this a shot and we did our first episode which was the Amityville Horror in New York and um it took off pretty well. And you know here we are we're connecting with people like you which is fantastic and getting outreach and I don't know if you have anything to add to that right? Yeah so ever since we were both really young we've been fascinated by all things horror.

[00:06:53] Um our mom kind of put it on us a little bit she got she introduced us to a bunch of horror stories as children. Uh one of them being scary stories to tell in the dark. Um in a dark dark room as well. Two two classic horror uh books as a child that really sparked me and Tyler's interest at a very young age. And then we moved to things such as horror movies like Friday the 13th, Jaws, Nightmare on Elm Street and god it just kind of took off from there.

[00:07:22] We we jumped head first into paranormal investigating god probably around 2012 investigated investigated a bunch of spots around New England. And had some horrifying first hand experiences um and then decided to do the podcast to kind of tell everybody about those experiences and what we love about the horror genre. Nah cool cool I like that I like that. You mentioned there's scary stories to tell in the dark.

[00:07:50] What did you have you guys seen the movie of it? Oh yeah. What did you think? I I thought they did a very very good job um I love the fact that they used practical effects throughout the whole movie um up until the jangly man I believe he was all CGI'd um but up until that point I was like this is fucking horrifying.

[00:08:14] And I I really hope that they do do a part two um I know they were scheduled to but with the writer's strike here uh in America everybody else. In California doing their thing um hopefully they'll come back because there's so many good stories within those books that they can make incredible movies moving like here on 4. Yeah definitely like I said I really enjoyed it like you said especially the way it looked I thought it looked unbelievable.

[00:08:43] Well again again you sort of half answered me my next question then for you so I was going to ask how how you guys got obviously into the how we went well where your interest came from into the paranormal stuff and all the weird things in life where you sort of answered that so do you guys have any early memories or experiences with the paranormal?

[00:09:01] Well we both back in high school we um we started watching the ghost adventures um series on travel channel with Zach Bagan's crew and uh honest to god that that kind of really um set us both on the course of trying to do our own paranormal investigating. So we kind of just watched the first seasons when they came out back in 2007 2008 and uh we ended up going on Amazon and online and buying some of the same equipment that Zach had and the crew had.

[00:09:31] And we kind of troubleshooted that at our house and then we actually had a uh a paranormal spot that was it was probably 20-25 miles from where we grew up um teenage years which was called Barahawk in Bonford Connecticut.

[00:09:45] And in essence it's a uh a small little village now it's mostly foundations but it was a small little Welsh village and um people say it's it's called like the the village of whispers the village of the damned um but we went up there for our first unofficial investigation just him myself and another buddy and I think that investigation that first time that really kind of I wasn't skeptical but it changed my my more skeptical mind into a believer at that point.

[00:10:15] I know exactly what you mean me and Billy we've recently done our first investigation and when we started this I was definitely more on the skeptical side of things and then the more the more stuff we've looked into the more people we've spoke to I've been slowly becoming more of a believer well since our first investigation that night we had in them woods like I full-on believe in stuff now.

[00:10:38] Yeah I think it takes it takes up to a point where you are skeptical and you'll always be kind of somewhat skeptical until you hit that one concrete experience where you're like oh damn this is something that I cannot explain and troubleshooting through science it's almost impossible to to explain what just happened um where did where did you guys investigate I'm curious.

[00:11:06] Uh it was well it was literally like it's a very small woodland and when I say small like I mean it's a decent size for where we live but to you guys it's probably tiny it's about eight acres it's literally a woodland it's about five minute drive from my house but there's a lot of like really dark history there for such a small woodland area. Awesome.

[00:11:27] Yeah like we like Billy has a lot of equipment he's got REM pods cat balls uh spirit boxes SLS cameras and all that and when we weren't there everything was going off and yeah a lot of weird stuff happened. Yeah was there a certain event that kind of really you know changed your skeptical mind like did something come through the spirit box or did you get something on EVP?

[00:11:49] Right what it was so there's a there's an old abandoned caretaker's house in the woods and because because like I say we were in a woods I was very skeptical about using the camera because like any sort of branches twigs and everything is just going to get picked up straight away.

[00:12:03] So we decided what we do is we put the REM pod in front of the door of this house and face the camera towards that because that's where there was no branches or anything and then after about five minutes REM pod was going ballistic beeping like crazy and then we looked at the camera and it was just a full blown stick figure there on the screen and I was just like right now I'm out we're going home. All it takes is that one event and then for the rest of your life you know you are a believer.

[00:12:29] Yeah exactly like I say it was crazy they definitely made me well like I said definitely made me believe in things so well what I say now so my little saying is I say I believe in things but I don't know what I believe in if that makes any sort of sense. Yeah yeah I mean it's a pseudoscience so nothing's proven I think it will for I mean as long as we're alive it'll be a pseudoscience maybe in the future they'll have a little more concrete proof but as of right now the most important thing is that you believe in something.

[00:12:58] Yeah yeah definitely. Another episode of your guys that I've listened to recently which I really enjoyed was Skinwalker Ranch because that's always a topic that has fascinated me even before we started doing this. So what do you guys think is going on there because that is a strange place and strange part of the world.

[00:13:18] Yeah other God other than probably the Bermuda Triangle I think Skinwalker Ranch is one of the places within the entire world that there's so much mystery and it's the fact that it's not just one thing that is saying to be happening there. There's so many different types of phenomenon that's going on you have you have just downright spirits that people claim that they have interacted with you have UFOs you have Native American skinwalkers.

[00:13:49] There are so many layers to Skinwalker Ranch that it's one of those places that I think will always be a mystery.

[00:13:57] And I think that we can what did we say it was we thought it was a mix between Native American like lore and actual skinwalkers or deities that have been drawn to that place ever since the early times of man as well as a hotbed for UFO UAP activity.

[00:14:19] From what I know about it and obviously from listening to you guys I definitely think there's some sort of like you know alien UFO activity going on there. I think that's a certainty. I'm not too clued up on skinwalkers specifically but I mean I have a rough idea of what they are obviously in your episode you guys do a good job of explaining what they are. So I think also that could definitely be something but like you said there's just so much going on there it's just crazy.

[00:14:48] There was a TV series before I can't remember what was it called was it the curse of Skinwalker Ranch I think it was called. And I remember I watched an episode of that and they were doing research there and this guy's head just like swelled up beyond belief to the point where like they literally had to like rush into the hospital. Yeah we talked a little bit about it's a weird place because if you go like timeline wise you know we know there are UFOs.

[00:15:12] We know that there are spirits there we know that there was a Native American aspect but you could actually go chronologically and kind of see where all of these things sort of peak and have their apex with experiences. So in the prior to you know the UFO sightings in the 60s and 70s when it was Skinwalker Ranch and when the Native Americans were more prevalent that's when people said that there were shapeshifters.

[00:15:37] The Native Americans shifted into these wolf-like figures right and I think that it's because it is more for like warrior combat just as you know if you're thinking about fighting another tribe or another you know like a white settler comes in. If you are for example a Skinwalker you are a wolf that you're going to have an advantage over you know anyone who's coming into your territory.

[00:16:00] But then you get into like the 1940s and 50s when they started to do the nuclear testing in Nevada and you can kind of figure out that if you go online you can track where the nuclear fallout went and it went right over Skinwalker Ranch. And that's a big theory as to why Ryan and myself think that there are so many UFO sightings. We think that those extraterrestrials are interested in that nuclear hotspot just to see kind of where we are human wise on a timeline.

[00:16:28] Yeah I mean I mean that makes sense that makes a lot of sense to be fair. Yeah we actually we got a question for you. Go for it. Yeah so we were curious do you have a just like a down downright favorite horror movie? One that you go to all the time that will always be your favorite? Easily. Nightmare on Elm Street. Nice. Freddy Krueger. What is it about that movie? It was the first one I watched. I think I was about nine years old. Yeah they always like hold a soft spot in your heart.

[00:16:56] Like looking back on it you're like the nostalgia of watching like the first horror movie that was actually gore and actually terrifying. That's always going to be your favorite. Yeah. Well I'd say I still to this day remember the first time I watched it. I remember when because it was on at like two o'clock in the morning. Nice. And I think it was like a TV magazine with like radio times or somewhere where it tells you what's on the telly and what time. I remember asking my dad like because he used to say like film next to it.

[00:17:25] And I'm like oh what's that? And then he like said nine years old but dad told me everything what happened in it. And I was like okay I'm going to stay up and watch that. So I stayed up and watched it and I don't like obviously don't think I slept for like a week. That's a scary one. Especially when you're nine. Oh yeah. It's the scene when I forgot who's looking down the hallway in the school and you see the person in the body bag. The feet get lifted like an unseen force.

[00:17:52] That is downright scariest fucking part of Nightmare on Elm Street in my opinion. Now for me the worst part was where like his head and his like fingers come through the ceiling when she's asleep in the bed. Yeah. Yep. Just because that's how my bedroom was. Oh dude. Yeah not sleeping for a month. Yeah exactly. We're big. I'm a big Halloween guy so Michael Myers is like my go-to horror villain.

[00:18:21] I think now Jaws was definitely the first like legit horror movie I watched but something about Michael Myers just resonates. I think he's such a cool misunderstood villain and something about just coming out on Halloween night is so scary to me when you could kill anybody in a mask and nobody's going to question it.

[00:18:44] Yeah 100% I mean I'm a massive fan of Halloween as well and weirdly the thing that makes me like it even more is obviously the story behind the mask. The fact that it's literally the bloke from Star Trek that is the mask and it's just I just think now next evening just makes it that little bit funny. Yeah that's what John Carpenter when he was he was definitely on a budget back in the late 70s. Yeah he had to use his buddy as you know as Michael Myers but it's timeless now. Yeah definitely definitely.

[00:19:14] So to go back to like well not so much to Skinwalker Ranch but sort of on that subject so aliens then so obviously given what we've just spoke about there obviously I'm surmising you guys believe in aliens. Have you guys ever seen any UFOs or had any sort of experiences with that or? Yeah I think we both you know we can both speak on this individually but we both have definitely had our visual experiences with you know some kind of a phenomenon that has come from space.

[00:19:42] I remember very vividly back in 2017 me and my buddy were driving to another friend's house and you know I think it was like maybe nine o'clock at night on a Friday we were on a road that wasn't super urbanized so there wasn't a ton of traffic or houses.

[00:19:58] And then out of fucking nowhere right in front of us between I guess the silhouetted trees on either side of the road a giant blue light just appears does a weird zigzag and then shoots out into God knows where. And yes. Both of us did. And we both like just looked at each other and he was driving he slammed on the brakes and we're like did you see that and it was absolutely wild.

[00:20:25] Yeah so I have a story that people will probably call bullshit on because it is the most cliche UFO story you've ever heard in your life. But I was actually I worked on a farm in God it was like Eastern Connecticut back in it was probably right around the same time 2017 2018.

[00:20:44] I was working on a farm in the middle of the day it was about two o'clock in the afternoon and I look up into I believe it was like the western part of the sky perfectly perfectly clear day not a cloud in the sky you could see planes going over all day.

[00:20:59] And I see the shimmer in the western sky of it was it wasn't even a saucer shape it was more of a pill cylinder shape and it definitely metallic because it was giving off reflection of the sun and it was just sitting there. And sat there for probably 45 minutes to an hour I could always look up and see it. And then eventually as time passed I looked and it was gone.

[00:21:26] And it was one of those things where I was like that is the most bizarre looking shape that I've ever seen in the sky. It wasn't a plane for sure. And then to add to this experience it wasn't just the visual aspect but we had they came to deliver I think it was God yards of mulch and it came in like an 18 wheeler truck that was powered by hydraulics.

[00:21:49] The truck lifted the bed all the way up to dump the mulch and all of the hydraulics failed in the truck and it was stuck there for 24 hours. And if there's anything that has been researched through UFO research or UAP research it's that they can affect hydraulics.

[00:22:08] It was just such a weird I'm not even going to say coincidence because those two things adding up at the same time it makes me truly believe that that was that was a true encounter of the first kind. Yeah definitely me. Friend of mine who has a podcast as well Tommy me and him both both say now that you know there's no such thing as coincidences. It's just can't happen.

[00:22:36] Well I think there though you say that that's so like cliche but then like you say you're there but then you throw the truck in and the hydraulics failing. It just it makes it more believable anyway. But sometimes I've a cliche is a cliche for a reason if that makes sense. It has to be like that that's the most typical one for a reason. No it does.

[00:22:58] Yeah we think that there's there's just no way that you know if you know the size of not only the solar system but the galaxy and the universe if you know those things and you actually think about you know where we are in the universe there's no way that there can't be other things out there. The question is are they farther along on the timeline than us or are they you know prior to us.

[00:23:24] Yeah exactly I mean I mean I always say it would not surprise me in the slightest if there was another planet out there exactly the same as this literally exactly the same and I don't I don't even mean like a parallel universe I just mean another earth all humans but like I said just yeah exactly the same like I said would not surprise me at all.

[00:23:44] If you're a believer in the big bang and you you know think about I mean physics and energies and all that stuff if we got shot out this way what's on the exact opposite side of that you know proverbial big bang is there a sun in the exact same location is there a planet like earth two in the same location as earth and if that's the case then there's no reason to think that people and organisms couldn't have grown on that planet. Yeah exactly definitely.

[00:24:11] I've only really had one sort of experience with like UFO stuff but it's still real and it still drives me mad because I've thought about it for like the well I still think about it now but the day it happened it drove me crazy. So I was driving to work it was like six in the morning it was in the middle of summer so it's fully daylight sun was well and truly up even though I'm in England.

[00:24:35] And like I said again so like it was like a countryside area where I was driving through where I used to work and the sun was behind me but like in front of me all I could see was it was like you know you can see the moon during the day. Weirdly. It was like that but stupidly bright like almost as bright as the sun but I said the sun was behind me and that confused the hell out of me and then it literally just sort of like like closed and just disappears.

[00:25:04] Oh my god did you go to work? Yeah yeah I was just at work all day like what the hell was that what the fuck I kept going outside just like looking around in the sky to see if we could find it again. You were thinking the world was going to end at some point that day. Yeah. That was very very strange. So do you believe that aliens are here now? Do you believe that you know they walk among us sort of thing? I don't know about walking among us.

[00:25:33] I know like the lizard people is a really big you know kind of belief in the supernatural paranormal community. I don't know about that or like the others here quote unquote the others. But I do think that they whoever they are are more observant than anything right now. I think they're just kind of yeah they're like ambivalent. They don't really give a shit too much about what we're doing.

[00:25:57] I don't think we're advanced enough to really even be conversing with like something like a supernatural paranormal paranormal an alien creature. But you know I don't know there there are some compelling stories and some compelling evidence that they could technically be like shapeshifters kind of like they were back on Skidwalker Ranch. What about the men in black then do you think that's a thing?

[00:26:28] I'll let Ry take this because we did an episode ironically on the men in black and the black eyed kids. And those were I guess two I guess we'll call them cryptids. But there's a lot of lore that says that you know they are here and they kind of do maybe not erase memories. But they can sort of give you false memories. Yeah so I think the men in black are it's one of the most fascinating urban legends of all time.

[00:26:57] If nobody knows what it is basically the black eyed kids and the men in black they're pretty much tandem. They work together. And if you're unlucky enough you'll get a knock on your door in the middle of the night. Open it to find a small child or a group of children standing there. But they don't have any irises. They have completely black eyes. And you're not supposed to let them come inside of your house.

[00:27:24] Or else bad things will be the consequence of doing that. And usually when this happens you can look out onto the street and see two or three men in a black Cadillac if you will. Who have dropped these children off or are coming back to pick these kids up. And some people believe that these are demonic entities. Some people believe that these come from parallel universe.

[00:27:51] And some people believe that these are just alien creatures coming to visit us to do something. Now me I like to side on the supernatural side of things. So I always thought that these black eyed kids these men in black have come from some type of alternate reality parallel universe. Very stranger things-esque. And they could be aliens.

[00:28:17] I would have no problem believing that alien creatures have disguised themselves as human. As a human form to try to get closer to us. But as Tyler said I do think that we are farther back along the technological timeline if you will. And I think that if there are creatures visiting us they are highly advanced. And they don't really care to interact with us all that much.

[00:28:47] Yeah I mean I agree with you on that. I think if anything that can travel far enough to get to us isn't going to be worried about us. If that makes sense. Right yeah if you push our timeline farther enough and we use a technology to go visit another planet and they're still in the stone age. We're going to be like we have no business visiting these guys because we're not going to do anything. Unless we want to advance them like a crazy amount. Yeah exactly.

[00:29:18] I'll sort of rephrase it then. So do you guys think there's like in the film do you think there's like a government agency that like takes care of aliens and stuff and that sort of stuff? I have absolutely no problem believing that. I would also love that job. But I think that if they do have that type of agency it is highly classified. Super under wraps. With a very small workforce.

[00:29:48] But I honestly have no problem believing that happened. Yeah our government is shady as shit. So 100% I think we both believe that there is definitely some kind of a I don't want to say like a corrupt part where they are deliberately hiding things from the public.

[00:30:14] But from what I've read and from what we've seen with like the release of UFO files and from Project Blue Book all the way up from the 70s all the way to the 90s and 2000s.

[00:30:25] Because we think that there is definitely something and some kind of a government agency that is definitely sweeping things under the rug and saying hey oh no that was just a that was a plane crash or that was a quote unquote Chinese balloon which happened like back in 2022.

[00:30:47] Yeah just to add to this my biggest problem with this whole thing is it was 2021 when the US government came out and they declassified a bunch of documents that proved that aliens were out there. And we have not only interacted with them but have visually seen ships if you will.

[00:31:09] But then it was like the fucking day after I think the COVID pandemic broke out and all they talked about was COVID. Nobody ever talked about again these declassified documents. It was like big media and big news were trying to sweep that so far under the rug that we all forgot about it and only cared about the pandemic. And nobody even talks about it still. It's crazy to me. It's fucking crazy.

[00:31:40] Yeah that is crazy when you think about it. I mean I've never really thought about that to be fair. Like I say just because of like I say just what a mental time COVID was. But I think if there is any sort of like you know government agencies. I say well I'll just say men in black. I think it's I do think it'll be like a joint effort. I don't just think it'll be from country to country. I think they'll all be connected with each other. Like you know the major countries anyway especially.

[00:32:08] Well I think America are brilliant because like you guys have the secret service which is the worst kept secret in the world. So I almost think that's sort of like a distraction from it. Yeah I guess they're not that good of their job. We've had a couple of assassination attempts already in the past couple of years so they aren't the best. But Liam I had a question for you. So I watched a movie back in like it must have been 2014 or 15 and it was called The Hallow.

[00:32:36] And it was about I can't remember if it was the northern UK or southern Ireland. I can't remember specifically where. But it was about woodland trolls, woodland like sprites and fairies. But they were really fucking scary. They were really demonic and sketchy. And it was a great film. Do you have any like urban legends and things like that cryptids in your neck of the woods? That right of my maybe haven't heard of.

[00:33:08] Where I live no not really. Sadly not. I mean I'd say the closest one to me probably is actually probably the Loch Ness Monster. Because like I said I mean I say we're I say northeast England but we're very very north. I could be in Scotland in less than two hours. Wow okay. Yeah. That's probably the main one but sadly not. Like I don't think cryptids and stuff are as big over here unfortunately. Have you heard of.

[00:33:37] There's some but a lot of them are down south as well. Yeah yeah. Have you heard of Sam the Sandown Clown? Only recently. Okay. And I hear clowns and that thing just. When I looked that thing up and everything scared the shit out of me. Yeah if you if you don't know too much about it then definitely you can go check out the one the episode that we did. Ry did a great job doing the lore about it. But that was one that that stuck with me. You know a lot of the times when we do our show. When we do the research on the topic.

[00:34:06] Because we do the research on it it doesn't really affect you too too much. But there are times when the other individual like Ryan brings a topic that I haven't heard of. And it affects you and you think about it for the next day or a week or whatever it is. And Sam the Sandown Clown he did that for me. I thought of an alternate. Yeah we think that he was an interdimensional kind of thing. We had a theory too that maybe he was like a 60s like a rodeo clown or something.

[00:34:35] And he got into an accident. And then some kind of a government agency tried to bring him back to life. Or they found an opportunity to try to you know do this new technology on him. And that's why he was a robotic-esque clown. But that dude scared the shit out of me. I mean I don't trust everyday clowns. Especially ones that freaking can't talk and don't have a neck and speak to kids in the woods. Like that's just even worse.

[00:35:03] Yeah we had the great clown pandemic of 2016. Yeah. Yeah. They were just running around America trying to kill people with machetes. And it was a horrifying time to be alive over here. So yeah that's a point actually. So was that like everywhere in America? Did that happen all over the country or was that just one specific area? No yeah I think kids got taken in South Carolina or Kentucky.

[00:35:31] Somewhere down in the south they actually had abductions with these clowns. But yeah me myself I was living in Norwalk Connecticut at the time. And that's right along Long Island coast right on the southern part of Connecticut. And I was driving home from work one afternoon. And in the middle of town there was a clown just standing in the middle of the town calm and waving at people. And it was terrifying to put it lightly.

[00:36:00] I definitely used all six cylinders in my car to get that kettle out of there. Just thought there we were mentioning cryptids and stuff. I mean it's not really cryptid related. But I remember another episode of your guys I was listening to you spoke about Nosferatu. So I'm surmising you as a Dracula fans. Oh absolutely. Yeah well we live about 30 minutes 40 minutes away from Whitby. So obviously where Whitby Abbey is which is obviously the inspiration in the original novel. Oh that's awesome. Interesting fact for you. Yeah. Nosferatu.

[00:36:30] What a fucking amazing film by the way. Two thumbs away. Haven't seen it yet. Oh dude. Yeah it is two thumbs way up. No problems with that film at all. A little funny fact for you. I can't remember exactly how many it was. But I know at Whitby I think it was like 2016. Or whenever the anniversary for the book was. They set a world record for the most amount of people dressed as vampires. I think it was like 1500 people dressed as vampires. Oh in one area?

[00:37:00] That's awesome. Yeah. There's definitely a real one there. Yeah. I said there's definitely a real one somewhere in the group of them. Oh definitely. Safest spot to be. Has to be. Yeah is within 1500 other dressed of Dragulas. Yeah definitely. Another thing I wanted to touch on. So I know you guys have done a couple of episodes all about cults. Because that's something that fascinates me as well. And something I'm starting to look into as well. So.

[00:37:28] Which would you say has been like the craziest. The weirdest. The most disturbing one that you guys have looked at. Yeah definitely. It was our Halloween episode last year. And we talked all about the order of the Solar Temple cult. And. Absolutely. The craziest stuff I have ever heard. They had mass executions. Mass suicides. Upwards of. God I believe it was. 70 people.

[00:37:58] Somewhere around. Somewhere around that number. But. I think cults are so scary. Because. You put your faith into. Into somebody as a godlike figure. And you do. Not only what you're told. But what. You believe is right. Because this person is telling you it. You become so. So brainwashed in a way. That you can inflict pain on yourself. Or on other people. That is where the true. True terror. I think lies within. These cult beliefs.

[00:38:28] But I. If nobody's heard about the order of the Solar Temple. Most of my knowledge has dissipated at this point. But. Um. Definitely look them up. Because. To this day. The craziest cult I think I have ever heard of. Um. And the way that they executed people. Um. With burning buildings. And various ways of. You know. Ritualistic. Ritualistic ways with. Mirrors. And. Gowns. And shawls. And.

[00:38:56] These crazy swords and stuff. Um. It make. It made Jonestown look like. I don't. Like a tea party. Um. But it's. It was just crazy. But anything else you want to add. With cult style? Ironically. I was going to say Jim Jones. And the people's. Uh. Temple. Um. Because that one. That was the first cult I actually really looked into. When I was. Kind of. You know. My interest towards cults were. Or was increasing.

[00:39:26] And I was getting old enough. Where I could actually. Look into cults. I was like maybe. 14 or 15 years old. When I looked into. What happened with Jim Jones. And when he took all the people down to South America. And the fact that there was almost a thousand people that died. In that one mass suicide. Like that just. That still affects me to this day. Um. I mean you have to have. Some kind of a godlike charisma. To make. 900 plus people. Drink that poison. Uh. Cyanide. Kool-Aid.

[00:39:55] And commit suicide. Not only was it just. You know. Adults. But it was children too. And people's children. So that. Affected the shit out of me for a while. But that was 100% the scariest one. I've. I've ever looked into. But Ryan said it best. The. The um. Order of the solar temple. The. Yeah. The order of the solar temple. That one. I mean. It is. It's. It's the. It's the gowns. It's the. Who are you doing this for? Is it a. Creepy deity? Is it the devil? You know.

[00:40:25] The Christian devil? Is it some kind of an interdimensional thing. That gives. The people who kill people. Long life. Or wealth. Or something like that. I mean. That stuff just really gives you the skeeves. That episode. That was. That episode of yours. I think that was. That was one of the first ones. I actually listened to. And that was one of the. What really got me interested in cults. To be fair. Because. I'll be honest. Follow and do all these things. I was like. Why. Why the fuck would you do that? But then. Like you say. When you look into it more. And. I've been looking into the.

[00:40:54] Ant Hill Kids. Have you guys looked into that one? Yeah. Up in Canada. Yeah. Yeah. That was. That's. That's another one that's fucked up. Yeah. That we. That was our third. That was our third. Official episode. That we ever did. Yeah. It's. I don't even know what's on there. Wow. Yeah. It. It was one of the episodes. I think that we were revived. So we either took it off. Because the audio quality. Just was really bad. Because we were brand new. Back in. Like we said. 2020. But the Ant Hill Kids. From what I remember. And it was five years ago. But.

[00:41:23] The guy who. I can't remember his name. But the guy who led that. Man. He was an abusive asshole. The things that he did. I remember he nailed kids to trees. And stuff like that. So that they were. Experiencing like. Exposure outdoors. He. He performed. Circumcisions on. Like some of the people. Who were in. The compound itself. Man. That stuff is. That is some gnarly stuff. Right there. The whole.

[00:41:53] I just look. Every time I look at a new cult. And everything. I'm just like. And. It's just like. How. Do the people like. You know. Get dragged into it. That's. That's the thing that really fascinates me. And it's where I sort of think. These people. The leaders of these cults. Is it just the fact that they are so like. You know. Charming. Charismatic. That they just. That have managed to brainwash these people. Or is there something darker to it. Where you say like. You know. Is there some. Some sort of evil entity involved. Yeah. I think Ryan and myself.

[00:42:22] We both believe that there. For a lot of the cults. There's like a combination of those things. Things. So you have the belief system. Where. You're not only. If you're following a leader. You not only have the leader to. Listen to. Who is like. Like we said. A godlike figure. Who has that crazy charisma. But they say things like. You know. You have to do this. Or else. The. Whatever we're praying to. Whatever we're kind of making these sacrifices to. They will do something in. Like a response. A negative response.

[00:42:52] To you. And I think the combination of those two things. That's what makes people. Do the things that they do. When they are in cults like that. Yeah. And I think. Another thing that I've noticed. Which I think is really weird. Is all of these cult leaders. They all look the same. They all look homeless. They've got big massive beards. Weird long hair. Hey chicks dig beards. I don't know. So apparently that's got something to do with it. I can understand why they'd enjoy yours. But I mean. Like you say. You look at people like Charles Manson and stuff. And then they look homeless.

[00:43:22] It looks like they came from the. Like underneath the freeway overpass. To come and meet this cult. Exactly. Exactly. But that's one of the things that really confuses me the most with it. Is like. You know. You could sort of understand it. If you say like. You know. They treat them like they're a godlike figure. So you'd expect them to look like one. Right. I think it's the. It has to do with the repetition. I'm sure. With visiting them and hearing them speak. And I think it's over time that you become so.

[00:43:51] Like I don't want to say brainwashed again. But you become. Yeah. Kind of conditioned to this person. And everything in the outside world becomes kind of white noise to you. That you're only focused on this one person. And the cult. As like a family itself. I think the truly scary thing about cults though. Is the danger aspect. For people who. Realize they want to get out of the cult.

[00:44:18] Because usually that's met with some very heavy handed force. Once you're in. You're pretty much in with these. These higher level dangerous cults. And. If you want to get out. Sometimes it's too late. And you're going to pay with your life. Yeah definitely. For me one of the scariest things with them. Is. The people actually end up getting involved with them. You know like. For me. When I first heard about what cults are and stuff. I'm like oh. It's obviously just like you know.

[00:44:48] The village idiot sort of thing. You know. But like. There's people like doctors and stuff and everything. Who get dragged into them. And it's like you know. These are people who are supposed to be. Intelligent. And. No. What's going on in the world sort of thing. But they. So it just shows that. Anybody can get. Dragged into them. Which I think is really scary. One of the bigger frustrating parts. I think when you research cults. Is when you go back through. The individuals who joined the cult. And you look into their history. Exactly what you said. These are people who are highly intelligent.

[00:45:18] Who have. Good jobs. They have families. They make. X amount of money a year. Why would they be. Subjected to. This sort of. Cult like figure. And these. Sort of experiences with the cults. And that's one of the most frustrating parts. You don't know. And you can't even ask a lot of them. Because. Either. Something ends really poorly. Or they just don't speak about this. You know. Going forward. I think it's nice though. With like. Honestly. With like Netflix. And. Hulu.

[00:45:47] And they're actually looking into. A lot of cults. If you guys. Have Netflix. And you're listening. Check out the. Docu series. And the cults. Series on Netflix. And they can really. Kind of shed light into. Why these people. Did what they did. And then why these people. Who went into the cult. Why they actually accepted. A role. Into the cult itself. Yeah. Yeah. Like see. It is. It does really interest me. And it's something I'm looking into. A lot more now. And so. Our listeners can expect. A few episodes on cults. Coming up soon. So.

[00:46:17] Um. Just before we finish then. So you guys asked me. My favorite horror movie. So we obviously. We spoke about aliens. What are your guys. Favorite movies. Involving aliens. I honestly. Really loved. Um. Prey. The new predator. That came out. I think. Two years ago. That went. Yeah. That the newest. Predator. Uh. Or movie. Came out in the series. I thought that was a fantastic. Little horror movie. The. The pace of it was great.

[00:46:46] The gore was great. The storyline was fantastic. It was really interesting. To see predator. Show up to. You know. Pre-colonized America. And how he would interact. With the. The food chain. And um. It was really cool to see him. Going up from. You know. I think he fought like. When he first showed up. He. Killed a rattlesnake. Then he killed. A giant brown bear. And you could tell. That he was going up through. You know. The. The food chain. Towards man. And then he ended up. Going after. You know.

[00:47:16] Those french assholes. Who were trying to colonize people. Um. But that was a really. Really cool movie. I can't wait for the new one. It should be out. Within another year or two. The new predator movie. But that's definitely. In the past five years. My favorite. Uh. Alien movie. Uh. Right. What about you? Yeah. So. I gotta give a shout out to. Signs. That is one of the OG. Like classic ones. That. I think. Really terrified people. Early. About aliens. Uh. Mel Gibson.

[00:47:46] Unbelievable in it. Joaquin the dream. Joaquin Phoenix. Unbelievable in it. Um. But as horror movies go. I think the scariest one. Might get some backlash for this. But. The fourth kind. Um. It's. It's like a. It's like a found footage type of film. Where. It truly does make you believe. That everything that happens in the movie. Happened in real life. Um. And. I think. I think everything they do in that movie. Is top notch.

[00:48:15] The makeup is. Incredible. And it really makes you believe that. What you're watching is real. Yeah. Well I mean. You. You've just mentioned. Mav. You've just said. Both of my. Two favorites there anyway. Signs and the fourth kind. So. I know. Signs will always be my favorite. I think. Because I think that was one of the. That. I think that was actually what got me interested. In. Aliens. Was that. Was that movie. Watching that movie as a kid. Oh. It's. It's so good. And it's. It's so well done. In the ways where. It's a little bit dated. But the technology they're using.

[00:48:46] Um. I think Joaquin Phoenix walks outside with. Just like a two way. Uh. Radio. Like a two way walkie talkie. And holds it up to the sky. Um. It's. It's so believable. It's so good. I think Tyler's also a big fan of. Dark Skies too. When that came out. Uh. Super creepy alien movie. If nobody. Yeah. Yeah. Um. My only problem with signs. And. The. It's good. Could cause a bit of tension there. The. The way you guys. Mel Gibson's character. The way you say his name. His character.

[00:49:15] What the hell's his character's name in it? I forgot. Graham. Graham. Oh. Graham. Yes. It's not Graham. It's Graham. Graham. Like Graham Crackers. Yeah. Billy was here. You wouldn't make fun of us for that. That's what he goes to be too scared to. Yeah. That's fair. I think. Um. Dark Skies though. They touched on. If you. I don't know if you guys. Or if you. Liam. Have done any research into. The Greys. Who are supposed to be an alien. I guess. An alien. Being. That is.

[00:49:44] Way more. You know. Negative. Towards humans. Than. You know. Your standard one. And I think that movie. When I watched that. Back in 2013. I was like. Holy shit. You know. The problem with aliens. And the scary thing with aliens. Is there's nothing we can actually do. If they. If they want to. I don't want to say. Take us up to their ship. But if they want to. Abduct us. They're going to do it. It doesn't matter what you do to your door. It doesn't matter if you have a shotgun. They're going to figure out a way.

[00:50:15] It's not like. I don't know. Going up against like. Wendigo. Or the dog man. Of Ohio. Where you have like. A 10% chance of living. When you're up against. Something like. Who are. A very negative alien entity. It's a 0% chance of you. Maybe not. Surviving. So. I think that's why that movie really got me. I think we got to shout out. Alien Romulus. Which came out last year. That was a. A fantastic little alien flick. I think on the.

[00:50:46] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It hopefully does win an Oscar. I think on the alien timeline. It was a refreshing take. In the alien series. It's. And. You know. Fingers crossed. The new alien earth. The series that comes out on Hulu. And. I think it's later this year. Hopefully that also. Does as well as alien Romulus did. Also. Last thing I wanted to say about alien movies. Jordan Peele's. Nope. Is one of the biggest crap pieces of movies. I've ever seen. Um.

[00:51:16] Big fan of get out. But I think. Uh. He is walking on thin ice. One more. One more flop like that. He has lost a fan. Uh. You guys probably saw me pull a weird face then. But. Randomly the shed door has just opened for no reason. So. I'm sort of freaking out a little bit. But yeah. Oh. Oh lord. Get up and lock it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna. I'm just gonna close it. Because I'm. Stop. Anagin a bit now. Is it. If I see something in that back window. Imagine if you hear him just scream. Oh. Yeah. That was strange. Um. But yeah. The.

[00:51:46] The. The. Like the alien series itself. That has. That's been very up and down. But it does seem to be getting better again. Yeah. I think they're gonna come out with some absolute heaters. Moving here on forward. Because Romulus was. Was fantastic. Uh. But. To mention no there. I think it was a good idea. Oh yeah. I just don't think it was executed very well. Oh yeah. When that thing opened up at the end. Like a giant piece of tin foil up in the sky. I'm like. What in the fuck. Am I watching right now.

[00:52:15] It was when it basically went into the shape of a cowboy hat. That was when I lost all faith in it. Dude. Exactly. I've really enjoyed that. So. Do you guys want to let our listeners know where they can find you. Find your podcast. Everything else. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. We're on. Anywhere. Uh. Any major streaming platform. Where you guys get your podcasts. Uh. We're on Apple. Spotify. iHeartRadio. Um. Um. All you guys have to do is type in. Brown Brothers Haunting Hour. Uh. In your search bar. And our logo is a little. Uh. Black and white Grim Reaper.

[00:52:45] Drinking some whiskey. Um. You guys can just type that in anywhere and find us. We are also. Um. We're on Instagram. You can follow us at Brown Brothers Haunting Hour. Uh. We post a lot of fun stuff there. Uh. To go alongside our episodes. Brilliant. Brilliant. Well. Tyler, Ryan. Thank you both for being on the podcast. Like I say. I've really enjoyed this. Guys. You can obviously find us on Instagram. Obviously. Our Instagram is. At the Spooky Shirt Podcast. That's only really the social we use at the minute. But. Uh.

[00:53:14] The link in the bio there. You can find all the other ones. If you want to go follow them. Even though we don't post on them. But. Yeah. Feel free for that. Uh. And we shall speak to you next time. Hopefully Billy will be back. Tyler, Ryan. Do you want to say anything before we finish? I just want to thank you for your time, man. This was awesome. We love to connect with other podcasters like this. And. Maybe later this spring. Early summer. We can do another collaboration. Where Billy actually shows up. And we can meet him. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I kid you not.

[00:53:43] I actually have had people question if he's real. Honestly. I've had people suggest that it's me talking to myself. They split personality. Maybe he's the one that opened the shed. Right? Maybe. Then maybe that's a good point actually. Well it was a pleasure, man. We appreciate this. No problem. No problem. It's been a pleasure. Right then guys. So we shall speak to you next time. So thank you for listening. And go check out the Brown Brothers Harden Hour.

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