Let's Talk About... Catching Demons with Issac Part1. Ep.43

[00:00:05] Right then guys welcome back to Let's Talk About, Liam here as always you got one half of us today and we've got one half of

[00:00:12] Hidden in the shadows podcast. I've got Isaac with us. So Isaac welcome to the podcast. Hey, you think you're having me?

[00:00:18] No problem. No problem. How are you?

[00:00:21] Good. This is another

[00:00:23] Another Sunday now looking forward for tomorrow

[00:00:26] Yeah, I know you feel. I start a whole new job tomorrow. So big day. Damn. Yeah

[00:00:33] Um

[00:00:34] Yeah, let's just jump jump straight into it. I'm talking about some paranormal stuff. So

[00:00:39] Uh

[00:00:39] Start at the beginning really. I mean what got you into, you know the paranormal

[00:00:45] Really, that'll start for you

[00:00:47] Well as we meeting my wife who's also the co-host uh, Megan on the podcast

[00:00:52] Uh, it started with both our childhoods. I grew up on a ranch in texas about

[00:01:00] 10 minutes outside of blanko texas which blanko texas about our north of san Antonio if anyone needs the

[00:01:07] Geological area where it is, but since you're very small town population about 1500

[00:01:12] Um, so they are very small people everybody knew everybody

[00:01:16] But any of the ranch was in my family for since the 60s and I lived on there with a kid and grew up there

[00:01:22] um

[00:01:23] And everything paranormal underneath the sun has happened to me there

[00:01:27] From seeing shadow figures from hearing things in the woods from possible bigfoot things from

[00:01:34] Lights in the sky from everything and anything you can think of

[00:01:38] Has happened on that ranch and I grew up with that reality being real

[00:01:42] Now as I grew up that kind of you know faded in the background. So I kind of moved out moved into san Antonio

[00:01:48] Never cared too much about it. I became a musician and spent most of my time into that

[00:01:52] But when I met my my current wife, um, we started dating I found out that uh,

[00:01:59] She's a very powerful psychic medium

[00:02:01] So in such a way that every house that she's ever lived in has been haunted not because of you know

[00:02:08] They have bad luck. It's because she attracts all the spirits to her

[00:02:13] And even the house that she was living at the time with her parents before we moved out

[00:02:17] Yeah

[00:02:18] Um, I remember the earliest of us dating I would I would be in a room with her and then I would like

[00:02:23] I would see like a door down a jiggle from her closet door when no one's inside

[00:02:28] I was grabbed from underneath her her bed. No one was under there

[00:02:32] Uh, I heard footsteps walk up to her door

[00:02:35] While I was in there by myself because she went to the bathroom

[00:02:37] I was sitting there and I see footsteps walk up and it's standing in front of the door

[00:02:41] I'm going what is she doing? Why is she staying outside on that door? So I get up open it and no one's there

[00:02:46] Like I saw all the shadowed feet like someone's standing there

[00:02:49] And uh, and I saw this and I want to open the door. I saw the light from in the bathroom underneath the door

[00:02:54] So long I was like

[00:02:56] I knocked on the door. He said, yeah, it's like

[00:02:58] All right. It's just what I'll tell you when you get out

[00:03:02] Um, but yeah, and it just escalates there and we moved here

[00:03:06] Where we are now in North Carolina

[00:03:08] And the house we're living in now

[00:03:10] Same no change everything paranormal started happening to us here

[00:03:15] And it was only till after we started the podcast

[00:03:19] In june of 2020

[00:03:22] They started taking the paranormal thing seriously

[00:03:25] And it was really taken to the next level in september of that year

[00:03:30] In september of 2020

[00:03:31] Um, I gained my ability or it awoken in me

[00:03:37] Um, and my ability still you have to be 100 percent defined exactly now

[00:03:40] There's a lot of things out there that say it's kind of like this kind of like that sounds like this sounds like that

[00:03:45] But never 100 percent. It's always like pieces of hole

[00:03:49] um

[00:03:50] What I can do and how it's evolved where it was when it started to work is now is entirely different

[00:03:57] but in the beginning essentially I could feel the energy of the dead in my hands

[00:04:02] And the sensation felt like your hands are going to sleep that tingling numbing sensation

[00:04:07] And the closer and the stronger the entity is the more the sensation spreads out my palm

[00:04:13] And uh, I learned to differentiate from left hand to my right hand my left hand charges is what I call the sensation

[00:04:21] That tells me a positive spirit around someone on the positive spectrum of the the supernatural world

[00:04:27] My right hand charges something negative something evil

[00:04:31] Um, and that was I basically in the beginning I became like a human

[00:04:35] EMF detector like I can you know, hey that's over here. That's over there

[00:04:39] But it evolved and it got it became that I could pull that energy like a vacuum like sucking it closer to me

[00:04:47] And you know have it in my hand it went ahead by hand

[00:04:50] I kind of squeeze it and

[00:04:51] Transfer the energy into myself and became like a human filter

[00:04:55] and the filter in process

[00:04:57] I never knew how long it took depending on it. See I couldn't tell you

[00:05:00] But I know what it felt like when it left the energy left

[00:05:03] It's like a chill right up my spine and I could be sweating outside

[00:05:06] I'll say like

[00:05:07] Uh, and then I would lease it in a breath like

[00:05:11] And it's you just neutral energy leave

[00:05:13] That process in the beginning started taking the toll on me the right side of my face my beard and my my hair started

[00:05:19] To turn gray, you know prematurely. This is like I said four years ago

[00:05:23] Now I have it like little specks here and there but I'm looking at 40 so

[00:05:27] But in the beginning of why you're saying you gotta find another way to do this

[00:05:31] Megan Megan was just you say it's taking the toll on you. I was like, I don't know and then luckily

[00:05:35] No more than like a day later one of our

[00:05:39] I called the elder on the team because one of you was older everybody, but also he had the most experience

[00:05:44] His name was Mike

[00:05:45] And he kind of was like my mentor in the beginning

[00:05:48] Uh, he had a vision of the king Solomon symbol now. He didn't know where it was nor did I

[00:05:54] But luckily at the time we had a member

[00:05:58] Um, who was Jewish and he it's we put in a group chat

[00:06:00] He didn't know what the symbol is he automatically recognized. Hey, that's king Solomon symbol

[00:06:04] So I looked it up like oh, I remember this story

[00:06:07] And I was thinking to myself well the only other person history who's able to do what I'm doing

[00:06:12] Did it back then he had a ring and the whole story king Solomon prison 70 demons and a ring using somatic magic

[00:06:18] Let me see if I could try

[00:06:20] So I bought a simple

[00:06:22] king southern replica ring nothing special steel and silver

[00:06:25] And when I had and I wore my pinky

[00:06:28] And when I pull energy in I have it in my hand. I was like into the ring and when I closed my fist the energy left

[00:06:35] I didn't filter. I'm like, where did it go?

[00:06:38] so practice over and over with that and then

[00:06:43] Megan started hearing screaming and yelling and swearing coming from the ring

[00:06:48] She was what the hell you've been doing? I was like, I told her it's like holy crap and like she kind of like

[00:06:52] You know peered into the ring let channeled into the ring and she said it looked like a like a holding cell

[00:06:57] All these to mentor looking entities flying around slamming against the walls unable to leave like a prison

[00:07:03] Yeah, I was like holy crap and then I showed it to Mike and I explained what I was doing

[00:07:08] They all do shit. You build a prison. You build a haunted object

[00:07:11] And in the beginning that's what we thought but then over time

[00:07:14] I realized no, it's not because it should have been obvious of the fact that after everything I put in there

[00:07:20] No one's affected

[00:07:22] When that being haunted when I've been tortured nightmares haunted objects as we know them

[00:07:27] Influenced people around them whatever space they're occupying

[00:07:31] so this ring

[00:07:34] Should have caused a lot of people in this house nightmares to find out but no we won't experience anything

[00:07:40] We weren't have even we're even haunted more than anything dark or anything

[00:07:45] But I was like

[00:07:46] Then what is it and my best guess

[00:07:50] after researching

[00:07:51] In quantum mechanics in quantum theory at least the most you can without going to school for from books

[00:07:56] I have over here and then you know totems and then symbols and other things in the past

[00:08:01] my best guess is that it acts like a

[00:08:05] Entry point or access way

[00:08:08] Or portal if you want to dumb it down

[00:08:11] But essentially it's a door essentially to another

[00:08:15] World or planet or universe where these things are in prison and cannot leave

[00:08:21] And the full who created this world how I have the access to it

[00:08:27] That's still in the mystery a lot of things

[00:08:30] but after

[00:08:32] Getting touched in my spirit guides meditating getting more on the spiritual side of everything

[00:08:37] Researching more on different faiths across the entire world

[00:08:41] Learning about shamans learning about other people across the entire planet from other histories

[00:08:46] Um, and then of course Mike mentoring me with his spirit guides and I gain contact with my spirit guides

[00:08:50] I figured out it wasn't a vacuum that i'm creating if you can imagine strings of energy

[00:08:56] Leaving each one of my fingertips and they fire out

[00:08:59] Wrap around the entity like a bower constrictor

[00:09:02] Condensing them and prealing them in at the same time that energy is condensed and pulled in my hand

[00:09:08] And that's what I sent into the ring and just to clarify only ever take anything dark

[00:09:12] I never taken anything of the light side. It's feel it's cruel to do so, but everything dark

[00:09:17] No, that's free game. I don't I don't care. I never give it any quarter

[00:09:21] But um, it's it that's what it is such as happening

[00:09:25] And that's when I realized oh, it's it's almost like a like

[00:09:30] Tendrils string you know leaving my hand

[00:09:32] wrap it around the entity and that's what I've been doing for the last four years

[00:09:38] And over that time I have earned

[00:09:43] Six names six titles six different nicknames you can say and some of them have more weights than others

[00:09:50] Some of them are just like clever things that kind of stuck

[00:09:53] Um the shadow walker

[00:09:55] That's what uh, we call the shadow walker series

[00:09:58] On our podcast where I talk about my building evolution of it where it is now from how it started the six parts

[00:10:03] I think right now

[00:10:04] Yeah

[00:10:05] But the shadow walker was a name given to me first by an Australian woman who

[00:10:11] Was friends from another paranormal investigator who I interviewed for the podcast like the first year

[00:10:16] We're doing the podcast

[00:10:17] And I was this is what in the early days. I was trying to talk to any psyched mediums investigators

[00:10:23] Had you heard about disability of mine? I gave you heard about it

[00:10:25] You're everything like it just to get any information and everyone kept telling oh, what the hell like there was I had never heard anything that that before

[00:10:32] Um, but I talked to her and she was the first person I talked to and forever that said you know what that kind of sounds like

[00:10:36] My friend jane let me go get her as a holy crap finally I found someone

[00:10:40] And I explained to everything what I was doing

[00:10:42] She says you know what that kind of sounds like you're a like a psychopump or shadow walker

[00:10:46] And I was like what and she explained it because she what she can do

[00:10:50] Mine is already being a psychic in a medium and she can pull positive energy in we use on her left hand

[00:10:56] And then transfer the energy to the other side the crossing spirits over

[00:11:00] And when she went to her shaman uh to ask like what is this ability of mine? She says oh, you're a psychopump

[00:11:06] Essentially someone who crosses spirits over using more ability than just prayers and anything else

[00:11:11] And that's what you said you said you said you sound like that

[00:11:14] But for you know taking up dark things like I can pull light things too. I just don't know but she said yeah

[00:11:20] I don't deal with anything dark and it terrifies me. So all right

[00:11:23] um

[00:11:24] So that one kind of stuck the shadow walker

[00:11:27] second name was uh earth shaker and that came from

[00:11:32] Uh, one of my friends when we were investigating together in a previous team

[00:11:36] Um, we were looking up other face and other religions and stuff like that

[00:11:40] I found one called earth maker or great spirit in the sky or great mystery which is a native american deity

[00:11:46] And he laughed and he said ah it's like uh

[00:11:49] If this guy's earth maker would I make you earth shaker?

[00:11:52] I go what do you mean? It's like every time I because one of the other parts of the ability is if I put my hand to the earth

[00:11:57] I kind of connect

[00:11:59] And I can feel

[00:12:00] Or see almost in a good about 100 yard radius

[00:12:04] Where I'm putting my hand on the ground of everything dark and I can almost create a net

[00:12:08] To pull all that at one time in an area in a space

[00:12:12] Um, and he's felt a couple times when I did that he felt the ground vibrate

[00:12:17] Like he felt like that energy changing and you're shifting the vibrations. So he called me earth shaker

[00:12:21] Uh

[00:12:22] Third was actually the most profound experience. I've had minus everything else i'm doing

[00:12:28] Uh, my first oppression case

[00:12:31] And mind you we have done 38 home cases me and my wife

[00:12:34] Because we're also paranormal investigators that has been a paranormal podcast

[00:12:38] But 38 home cases we've done so far

[00:12:41] um

[00:12:41] Our first oppression case truly demonic oppression case was a family friend of mikes

[00:12:49] And he is his friend came to him and basically asked them like we're having nightmares

[00:12:55] My son's movie entirely changed. He was he was he was nothing like how he is now complete 180

[00:13:00] I have no idea that we're having nightmares. Horrific nightmares stuff like that. We hear things move around the house

[00:13:04] We're seeing shadow figures. We don't like the moods. It's in the house. It's always negative

[00:13:08] I can do you know how to help us? So you know what? I got just a guy and he's talking about me

[00:13:13] And we uh, I asked megan, you know go go to their house because

[00:13:18] Megan

[00:13:19] Well, she was here because she'd tell you all about her ability but uh

[00:13:23] She's a jack of all trades when she comes to psychic abilities

[00:13:26] But her main gift is remote viewing she can go to anyone alive or dead

[00:13:31] Anytime anywhere. It doesn't matter are you just showing the picture and she knows exactly where they're doing where they are

[00:13:36] um

[00:13:37] But she removed you into their house and she looked around trying to find something and she saw this big

[00:13:44] As she described it grouped like marvel's groups looking entity rock around the corner

[00:13:50] That was all black with like uh, like fire red eyes and then it's hit its head was like just you know

[00:13:56] Smoke coming up top of it and stuff like that

[00:13:58] And it said oh they send a witch after me

[00:14:01] All right

[00:14:03] Um, I should basically dipped out. She said yeah, there's shit there. We gotta go we gotta go there now

[00:14:08] so

[00:14:09] the day before I think um

[00:14:12] Megan was like you think we should make a

[00:14:14] Initial offering to Odin and this is what me my wife started venturing out in other face and other religions and stuff like that

[00:14:20] We kind of dipped into the Nordic

[00:14:22] Side of stuff because we find that the Nordic symbols actually started working for us and protecting us or it's like, you know

[00:14:28] That's it's not a bad idea. So I just took some

[00:14:31] Stones a little wolf symbol and buried it and basically said you're all father protect me in battle

[00:14:36] And then I heard clearly as I'm speaking to you

[00:14:39] Daringer

[00:14:41] Right, I had a look around like is there somebody in the backyard with me was going on

[00:14:44] No, no one there no one around not even close

[00:14:47] I was like what the hell I told until maybe I should holy shit. Really yeah

[00:14:51] um

[00:14:52] And

[00:14:53] Now I'm gonna say holy crap and they had a look up that word drangler

[00:14:56] What how's drangler mean and I found out it's a Nordic word

[00:14:59] That vikers would say to one another as a compliment

[00:15:03] It essentially means like

[00:15:05] Like badass or like ultimate warrior

[00:15:07] Like if you want to say to another drangler like after a battle he basically torques like 20 guys

[00:15:11] They all man you a drangler man. You're a drangler, right?

[00:15:14] That's like a compliment. So for the all father to call me

[00:15:19] Dringer is a big compliment. Hence why my third name became Odin Stranger

[00:15:26] The fourth is our best guess at what I am

[00:15:31] So Megan did some research and she found out that there were shamans

[00:15:35] In the Nordic phase and Haitians

[00:15:37] um

[00:15:38] Some parts of the Aztec empire and I think the Mayan as well

[00:15:42] Or old or the old mexican legends

[00:15:45] Of shamans who were capable of imprisoning dark entities in their stamps

[00:15:49] By doing some spell and some other stuff and able to

[00:15:52] And they're staffing keep them imprisoned. I was like, oh shit. So it's not something new

[00:15:56] So

[00:15:57] But she said those shamans were always meant for war

[00:16:00] All right

[00:16:01] I was like, oh like a war shaman

[00:16:03] And that became my fourth name war shaman

[00:16:06] um

[00:16:07] The fifth is what they call me

[00:16:09] But the dark entities what it called demons call me. They don't call me is like they don't call me shadow walker

[00:16:14] I don't call a lot of other bad names

[00:16:16] but uh

[00:16:17] They what they they've called come to call me is order keeper

[00:16:21] Right. I never heard that name. I'm like several times already all order keeper. What do you want order keeper?

[00:16:27] right

[00:16:27] Oh, no, it's strange

[00:16:30] Um, but the sixth is the most profound

[00:16:33] Because uh, I think it's the strongest clue to what

[00:16:37] I am or at least the clue to what I can find out more about

[00:16:41] um, I had surgery about two

[00:16:44] Two years ago now

[00:16:46] Over my belly button. He's that hernia

[00:16:48] And mike who's like I said my mentor on the team

[00:16:51] He's had like six or seven surgeries because he's had stomach cancer and a lot of other problems internally

[00:16:56] Grant he's in remission now. He's fine

[00:16:58] But he every time he's on the table who's under anesthesia and he told me

[00:17:03] When you're under anesthesia, uh

[00:17:06] If you meditate you can go anywhere

[00:17:09] Now it's like oh shit. So yeah, so literally the night before my surgery

[00:17:14] We get visited by my grandfather

[00:17:17] And on my grandfather from this time

[00:17:20] My grandfather from when I was a

[00:17:24] Cheyenne spirit warrior in the 1700s

[00:17:29] Uh visited me he basically talked to megan and told her until

[00:17:33] He made me when isa goes under tomorrow to come find him

[00:17:36] It's like what? I was like, yeah, so with that thought in mind

[00:17:40] I had I basically was going into surgery. I was getting a tanning season. I passed out. I've yet surgery before

[00:17:46] um

[00:17:47] But I've never

[00:17:48] Yeah, I've never felt the sensation of falling asleep and waking up in the same second and hours have passed

[00:17:57] But um, I remember coming out of it. I thought megan was right there. I told her oh, I know my name

[00:18:02] I know what I'm supposed to be college. She's like nurses here

[00:18:05] um

[00:18:07] But all I remember from the six hours I was under was us sitting in front of like a cave

[00:18:13] On these natural outcroping of rock and there was a fire in between us

[00:18:16] Like a little campfire and it was a blue flames. It wasn't anything like well, I was blue flames

[00:18:22] And he was sitting across from me a Native American look tire all that stuff

[00:18:27] American pointy at me and saying

[00:18:29] You are ash Wakana, Tanka the Reaper of Souls

[00:18:33] You are ash Wakana, Tanka the Reaper of Souls

[00:18:38] And I was like what the fine and I'll just I'll remember from our conversation

[00:18:42] ash Wakana, Tanka

[00:18:44] So that's became my sixth name

[00:18:46] It was interesting about that that Native American shy and name is

[00:18:51] Native American spirits around where we are here in the east coast, North Carolina

[00:18:55] um

[00:18:56] Investigating locations where they have of course have settled before before course getting pushed out

[00:19:01] Um the spirits that's what they call me over the spirit box

[00:19:05] They say ash Wakana Tanka. All right, we hear it. So also someone in I like wank when speaking and of course ash Wakana Tanka

[00:19:12] This was a shy and legend shy ends or in the middle of America

[00:19:16] And I know in England the distance of just saying middle America versus east coast like oh, it's not that far

[00:19:22] No, that's like from here to I guess

[00:19:24] Uh, Russia from where you guys are

[00:19:27] It's it's a good distance. It's not that close. It's not like oh, it's just the uh couple hours drive

[00:19:31] No, it's like three or four days to get to the middle area where the shy end is supposed to originate from

[00:19:36] And then east coast of course one side

[00:19:39] So shy and legend

[00:19:41] Native American spirits on the east coast know them they

[00:19:43] Well, also stranger is I have a friend in Vancouver, Canada, which is northeast

[00:19:50] North America. So it's all the way on the other side of the coast

[00:19:53] um

[00:19:54] He was investigating uh native american barrier ground areas and he was getting a lot of communication

[00:19:59] And he asked them. Hey, I have a friend in the states. Um

[00:20:02] And he has a name

[00:20:03] I want to know if you guys know it and he said you guys know the name ash Wakana Tanka

[00:20:08] And he heard of the spirit box instant instant response. Ah, yes. He is king

[00:20:14] That was it

[00:20:16] So native american spirits on one side of the of the country

[00:20:20] Another native american spirits on the other side of the country know the name in they're supposed to be in the central american legend

[00:20:25] When we want to shyance

[00:20:27] So there's some native american legend about ash Wakana Tanka that I don't know that spread across the tribes that

[00:20:33] I'm still trying to figure out and you think the native american tribes would be friendly enough to

[00:20:38] You know share some information. No, I have had zero

[00:20:41] A contact with them. I have reached out to

[00:20:45] 20 or so

[00:20:47] native american

[00:20:48] Uh tribes around here and emailing them asking that question. I gave you heard the name before no response

[00:20:55] So I'm like, oh, I'll give up on that thing until I meet somebody

[00:20:58] but um

[00:21:00] Yeah, 38 home cases

[00:21:03] 100

[00:21:05] Sorry, uh 127

[00:21:09] Demons

[00:21:11] Confirmed demons in prison in that ring along with a treasure trove of other entities

[00:21:17] Um, and I've lost count of how many human entities are actually in their dark human entities

[00:21:22] That I put in that ring

[00:21:24] And it goes from investigating from home cases

[00:21:27] From them coming to our home and picking a fight

[00:21:30] Uh, yeah, it was like every day to a point where like megan learns

[00:21:35] How to put a shield around for our house

[00:21:38] Preventing them from getting in and we have not in a way have been bothered

[00:21:41] Like I know when they're coming because she can tell me like hey, someone's coming over on this side of the shield

[00:21:45] Okay, and I start to reach out and I pull

[00:21:47] but

[00:21:49] Interesting about my ability is it

[00:21:51] I don't see this it saved me me cocky or egotistical

[00:21:55] I have

[00:21:56] Nothing sorry. Nothing has been able to stop me

[00:21:59] nothing

[00:22:00] Everything I've come across has failed every single time nothing's ever gotten away and the things ever able to put a fight

[00:22:07] It's just grab pull and prison done

[00:22:09] Everything then anything that you first felt like stronger or scarier

[00:22:15] Then the higher ranking demon all just then

[00:22:18] Yeah, the higher ranking demons the demons that you probably heard and they their name about a hundred times already

[00:22:23] If they're into the paranormal at all. Yeah, those guys were a lot tougher. Those one took more effort

[00:22:28] uh, but

[00:22:30] I I've gauged the the strength and the sensation of smoke in sand

[00:22:35] Uh smoke, of course, you can kind of feel it and it's like vapor you move your fingers through it

[00:22:40] Sand, of course is more liquid and you can feel it as it moves through your hands

[00:22:43] So smoke entities versus sand entities is how I gauge the feeling of what I'm pulling

[00:22:50] Sand entities are of course demons or higher ranking demons. Those are the ones that are tougher

[00:22:54] Uh sand is like just or smoke is just like your average lower level entities or the human entities

[00:23:01] Hmm

[00:23:02] Yeah, so when you when you say they're obviously like one one hand is you know, you can tell if it's a bad energy in the other hand

[00:23:09] The good energy

[00:23:10] How did how did you first like differentiate between the two? Was it just an overall feeling or was it something you had to work out over time?

[00:23:18] Well, luckily I had a wife that was a psychic so

[00:23:21] She could tell me

[00:23:23] She could tell me oh there's a human spirit over there and I could feel it

[00:23:26] And then she said oh, I don't like what's over there

[00:23:28] I was like I don't like what's over there. It feels dark and I reach and I feel it my right hand

[00:23:31] So I think okay, right for bad left for good. That's how I learned to figure it out

[00:23:35] Yeah

[00:23:37] And then of course meditation over time getting contact with spirit guys learning to look at my third eye and seeing stuff

[00:23:44] Uh becoming more spiritual and more knowledgeable about stuff and coming to more in tune with everything

[00:23:49] That's what strengths in my ability to worry it is now

[00:23:53] And the 38 cases mind you too. I've actually done in person

[00:23:58] Because I learned to reach

[00:24:01] Through the phone from my location to yours setting my tendrils through the screen in real time from my place to yours

[00:24:08] Um, I since you say it's like folding four-dimensional space

[00:24:12] Your phone is where you're at might as mine is where I I'm right and they can be you know across the entire country

[00:24:17] But when I put my tendrils to they're back to back and I reach through grab something

[00:24:22] That's there pull from your space of the mind and throw it into the ring

[00:24:26] uh

[00:24:28] And then sorry another addition is in the beginning. I would have to take your right hand

[00:24:32] Hold it in my hand and I could see into your mind forest

[00:24:37] The mind forest is interesting

[00:24:39] That is the subconscious part of your mind who are all your

[00:24:42] Darkness dwells your trauma or your hatred all your subconscious fears everything you might have regretted or

[00:24:50] You know have bad feelings about is buried there

[00:24:53] And of course it takes shape everybody's mind force is different how it looks from the foliage of the trees

[00:24:59] From the type of trees from the time of day from the color of the moon

[00:25:03] Um from the weather everything entirely different. Everybody's mind force is different

[00:25:08] I've seen a lot of those. I think I've probably done more mind force clearings than anything else I've done

[00:25:11] Uh, but once I'm in I can pull that junk out and then of course put it in the ring

[00:25:17] And when I do I find that every single time I pull the junk out the persons whoever I'm doing it to

[00:25:23] Main spear guide comes forward

[00:25:26] and I've talked to

[00:25:28] kaleidoscope of people spear guide wise

[00:25:31] From from warriors from fighters from knights from soldiers from a skateboarder kid from an actual

[00:25:37] Samoan from the Samoan islands

[00:25:39] From a strong band from the 30s from dancers from singers from actors from everybody else you can think of

[00:25:47] I've talked to you as a spear guy

[00:25:50] Um, and they use you come forward after I take the junk out

[00:25:53] And then of course once I learn how to reach through the phone. I learned how to pull mind force remotely

[00:25:58] So I don't have to actually

[00:26:01] Physically be there, but I do have to physically see you in real time or to do it

[00:26:06] So I can't like remote view into someone's place pull the junk out and leave now

[00:26:09] I have to see you and that's that that's what

[00:26:13] That's what differentiates me from psyche mediums. I'm not a psychic medium. I can't hear or see them any more than you can

[00:26:20] Um, but I just I basically I explained that psychic and mediums are like wi-fi

[00:26:25] They could pick up the signal wires. I'm like hard line. I have to actually plug in to get the signal

[00:26:30] Let's have to do it physically like with my body

[00:26:32] Psychic mediums do it with their mind. I do it physically with my body. So that's a weird change

[00:26:38] That's a weird uh, differentiate from me and psychic mediums

[00:26:42] So, yeah, I have to be in real time like I can't look at recorded footage and pull stuff

[00:26:46] I have to do it in real time

[00:26:49] Yeah, that's that's just well mind blowing

[00:26:54] It always is because it's we're conditioned not to believe like something like this can happen

[00:26:59] Um, we're we're told since we were little

[00:27:04] Growing up with faith and religion that there is no one

[00:27:07] On this planet strong enough to fight demons and stuff like that other than those who are religious figures

[00:27:15] Like creased and and shamans and anyone higher up

[00:27:18] No one is able to keep taking things down and I'm doing it as easy as flicking my fingers

[00:27:23] Hmm

[00:27:25] Uh, and that's what I'm challenging the status quo about what is supposed to be

[00:27:30] Uh, well, we're conditioned to believe is supposed to be exactly and after learning everything

[00:27:36] I've learned and learning the histories of everything. It's just like it feels like a lot of people are stealing a lot of stuff from others

[00:27:40] And saying it's their own and then creating

[00:27:43] control but

[00:27:45] That happens when you start gathering information

[00:27:50] Yeah, I mean

[00:27:51] Like I said with the with the religious stuff, it's like you can see

[00:27:56] Why people think that obviously they would have more success with it

[00:27:59] What are then again to support? It's like anything, you know, why can't anyone else just learn how to do

[00:28:05] these things

[00:28:08] Yeah, do you think do you think anyone could like do you think it's just a one one

[00:28:12] Do you think anyone could learn to do could be like a psychic or do the things that you do or do you think it's just

[00:28:19] A psychic yes what I do. I don't think so

[00:28:21] Um, and I say that because I didn't learn how to do this

[00:28:25] it just

[00:28:27] awoken or came to me

[00:28:29] a September 2020 like it switch was off switches on that's

[00:28:34] It simply as like I didn't

[00:28:36] Pray to anybody. I didn't ask anybody. I didn't even you know meditate or anything like that

[00:28:42] It just one day it I woke up and like all of a sudden I could

[00:28:46] Every time we're in our home and also I get like weird vibrations in my left hand. What the hell is that?

[00:28:50] I feel something and then

[00:28:53] Megan starts saying hello, there's a spirit over here and my hand would charge in that direction. It's like oh shit

[00:28:59] I'm feeling what's there

[00:29:01] Okay, and then she said I don't like what's over there

[00:29:04] It's a little negative and then of course my right hand and they actually intensify and actually got more practice when I

[00:29:08] became a paranormal investigator

[00:29:10] I started I joined a paranormal team

[00:29:12] And then that's when I met Mike and he helped me get stronger with him and stuff like that

[00:29:17] Because he never heard anything like it, but he thought this would be very helpful for how helping people get rid of dark entities

[00:29:22] um, so

[00:29:24] That's how it that started with that. But psychic mediums. I yeah, everyone has the ability to learn some are more gifted

[00:29:30] I

[00:29:31] I like I use the analogy like everyone can play basketball

[00:29:36] But there's only a few of us that are actually good

[00:29:39] Some of us are great

[00:29:40] Some of us make the mba and then of course some of us become

[00:29:44] Legends who were for never forgotten or argued always who's the greatest all time?

[00:29:49] That's how I always see the psychic medium game a lot of people can be right

[00:29:53] Some can be decent some can be good some can be amazing

[00:29:56] Some would be you know, well, just you want to go talk to this person

[00:29:59] They're extremely like the best of the best and of course the ones that we remember from all throughout history

[00:30:04] Yeah

[00:30:05] Yeah, I mean I've spoke over mediums and I spoke to some who like say who I've learned

[00:30:10] How to how to do it and then I've looked I spoke to others who you know, it just

[00:30:15] Similarly similar to you similar with your ability like, you know, they've just always been able to do it

[00:30:20] I know they've never had to like I mean if that's just like, you know, I would I describe it

[00:30:26] um

[00:30:27] Like hornless skills might maybe best way of putting it but you know, they've always been able to do it

[00:30:31] It's always been there

[00:30:33] But then again a lot of people say that you know, everyone has this ability and like

[00:30:37] I I always like the analogy of like kids talking to imaginary friends because it's something I used to do

[00:30:42] And a lot of mediums obviously say that that's obviously you get to like age five and then

[00:30:48] You think that that's when your ability starts to go and you start to you know

[00:30:53] Stop with that sort of stuff

[00:30:56] Yeah, Megan

[00:30:57] Uh talked about how her ability was suppressed at a young age because her mother didn't want her to

[00:31:02] Be part of that world because she found it scary and stuff like that

[00:31:07] So Megan's ability was suppressed majority of her early days of youth

[00:31:10] But it it something as powerful as her couldn't be

[00:31:15] Suppressed very long and it got it's stronger stronger and now

[00:31:20] Since I got my ability

[00:31:22] And when I started getting to mine she started getting to hers and the more she enveloped herself in it the stronger

[00:31:29] And more powerful she became with her ability to a point now where it's like

[00:31:34] Um, she does something we call body baggy

[00:31:37] Uh is where she can remote view into a location if a dark entity is there

[00:31:43] Right if she's remote viewing its location. She can throw essentially a bag

[00:31:47] She calls it a positive energy around this entity pick it up like it's in a sack and hook it into the ring

[00:31:56] So she can essentially take dark entities off the plane the same way I do

[00:32:01] Remotely like she is I don't have I don't have to physically be there physically see it

[00:32:04] She can do it go there pick it up chunk it in the ring and she's taking down some big

[00:32:08] Bad someone like holy crap. You got him like yeah, I don't know dude

[00:32:12] um

[00:32:13] And that's how like if we can't get to a location or

[00:32:17] Someone there doesn't want me to do what I'm yeah, I always do right

[00:32:20] She goes up screw I was so there and she goes there and pulls the stuff from the house and stuff like that

[00:32:25] Basically brings it to put in the ring

[00:32:28] And we've done that a couple of times especially at haunted locations. I get closed down bobby mackeys is one of them

[00:32:35] Um since bobby mackeys are being closed down

[00:32:36] It's like you think we should go there and just close everything up like yeah

[00:32:40] Go there settle it make sure nothing ever happens to her ever again

[00:32:44] Yeah

[00:32:45] Uh, but she said she said there's still a portal underneath the well that uh

[00:32:51] I would have to close to physically be there to do so

[00:32:54] And that's where she says the source of everything keeps coming from

[00:32:58] So you know shit, so which a lot of people who are investigators who've forgotten about mackeys will probably agree

[00:33:02] There is probably a portal in the well of bobby mackeys

[00:33:06] Uh because that's where the uh for original sacrifice happened. It probably opened a portal when they did it

[00:33:12] But

[00:33:14] So far I've only met two other people that are like myself

[00:33:18] Who seem to have

[00:33:22] no, uh

[00:33:23] How to sort they can't be matched

[00:33:26] In a field like everything we come across we take down

[00:33:29] And the other one of course is my wife myself, but we met another woman

[00:33:33] Um who I call my sister because it feels like that

[00:33:38] Yeah, like when we first met it was like

[00:33:42] We've we've done this before right yeah. Yeah, like we had like that that connection like we were brother and sister

[00:33:46] And several past lives

[00:33:49] Um, and that's it is almost like that vibe

[00:33:52] We instantly became friends and then over time the last

[00:33:55] Six months mind you has been very long

[00:33:57] um, we became almost family and

[00:34:02] Finding out exactly who she is finding exactly what her ability is, uh

[00:34:07] How we know her gets stronger she's become in that short time ran

[00:34:10] She's always been a psychic medium. She's always had a strong gift. She's always looked into the stuff

[00:34:14] hand visions had this stuff but never at the strength that she is now and uh after talking to her after

[00:34:21] Telling about mine guiding her or stuff like that

[00:34:24] Now she's been able to take down

[00:34:27] things and almost like

[00:34:29] Teleported to the ring

[00:34:30] Like she'll basically put something in like a chokehold

[00:34:33] And then transfer herself to the ring drop it off and leave

[00:34:37] And she's done it numerous times already

[00:34:40] is in her

[00:34:41] Higher so form spiritual form whatever form you're in when you remote view

[00:34:46] Uh, she's like a warrior. She goes into battle and takes these things down

[00:34:50] Different for my wife my wife body bangs. I use my tendrils. I wrap around she actually goes and fights the shit

[00:34:55] And then of course takes them to the ring

[00:34:58] Um, but yeah us three so far the only ones i've met who

[00:35:04] Capable of taking stuff like that like going after a demon

[00:35:07] Taking it down throwing it because there's a lot of light workers. There's a lot of shamans a lot of priests a lot of people out there

[00:35:13] Who are good at pushing?

[00:35:16] Dark entities and demons away

[00:35:17] We're moving it from a home by you know shoving it out the door

[00:35:21] But that thing is still existing and our plane of existence and still can run amuck

[00:35:25] It will just go to somebody else bother somebody else, you know possess opress

[00:35:31] somebody else

[00:35:33] Just because you help this family doesn't mean you've doomed somebody else

[00:35:36] That's that's what my hang up with with uh with uh light workers and priest heart and they're necessary. I know they're necessary

[00:35:44] But I just wish I was

[00:35:48] I was more well known to help more people

[00:35:51] Because I stop it in its tracks

[00:35:54] Nothing exceeds passes nothing ever escapes the ring nothing ever leaves

[00:35:58] No one even has the power to make anything pull anything out of their ring because once it goes in and never leaves

[00:36:04] No one has any power. It's not like magic

[00:36:06] Like you can perform some magical spell and release everything in there. It doesn't work like that

[00:36:10] Because I don't do anything like that

[00:36:12] It's like a natural ability natural energy that I'm moving manipulated controlling changing shoving into that ring at the access point

[00:36:19] um

[00:36:21] But yeah, that's that's I always had a problem with that was because they just when you think about it

[00:36:26] Sheld the mess onto somebody else just because they helped that family doesn't mean they

[00:36:29] Do me somebody else, but I end it it doesn't leave

[00:36:34] And which funny is that I got asked one time in an interview if you have a name for the ring

[00:36:38] I said at the time, you know what? I never thought about that. I never thought about giving a name

[00:36:43] Um and after I thought about for a little bit. I thought of the perfect name

[00:36:46] Sien el fraco

[00:36:49] Which is latin for no escape

[00:36:52] Because nothing ever leaves that thing

[00:36:54] Yeah

[00:36:55] yeah, so

[00:36:59] So do you do believe there's absolutely no way of anything escaping from it like at all

[00:37:04] Nothing has now and it's been four years

[00:37:08] I'm just thinking I mean this probably sounds like a really dark thing to say but um

[00:37:14] Like when anything ever happens to you do you think then things could maybe escape or

[00:37:19] Are you sort of like not worried about that because you won't be here?

[00:37:23] No, because um

[00:37:28] I've looked into past lives

[00:37:31] Right for a simple thing that being my wife's connection is stronger than any girlfriend I've ever had and I've dated a lot

[00:37:38] In high school days and of course in my 20s. Yeah

[00:37:42] And we had we we've met this past life regressionist and she is very good

[00:37:48] Um, she goes somebody by the name of v

[00:37:49] Uh, but she's retired from it now. She doesn't do anything with past life stuff

[00:37:54] But anytime we ever ask her for anything she does it for us

[00:37:57] She says there's a strong connection between us that we've done this before so she says so anyway

[00:38:02] But what she

[00:38:04] Did we're trying to look at my past lives? She said I have met

[00:38:08] Like she says about a thousand. I've done these since I had over a thousand clients in my time doing this

[00:38:14] But never have I met a soul as old as yours

[00:38:17] She said your soul goes

[00:38:19] Past ancient egypt. I want to say all the way into ancient mesopotamia probably even before

[00:38:24] Like she said you have been here a very very long time. I would say you have old soul. You're an ancient soul. I was like, I'm sorry

[00:38:31] Um

[00:38:33] Yeah, like she said but she says also strange

[00:38:36] Is that people who have the multiple past lives have had different careers?

[00:38:40] Like you might have been a soldier or a baker a teacher a professor

[00:38:44] Or a clobber just every kind of job every single life has been different. Just get variations from perspectives

[00:38:50] No, she says I have been

[00:38:53] A warrior a fighter a soldier an assassin a gunslinger

[00:38:57] I have been in consistent war and fighting

[00:39:01] Every single life I've ever lived. I have never had one

[00:39:05] The lifetime of peace that has been consistent fighting the war. I have been in conflict forever and this life is no different

[00:39:12] Just a different kind of war

[00:39:14] I'm not fighting humans. I'm fighting spirits now. So it's like I'm still in the sense of battle

[00:39:20] And she goes, I don't it's like I don't understand people have

[00:39:24] Multiple different, you know careers to get the perspective of life

[00:39:27] But you've been a fighter every single time she goes

[00:39:29] So I don't know what was your soul contract, but it's just she says every life you live

[00:39:33] She saw me die like several times has always been on the battlefield or in a fight or an

[00:39:38] In combat or something like you've never never died of old age

[00:39:44] Like every single time you've been a fighter. She's like, God dang it

[00:39:48] um

[00:39:49] But she was the one that that figured out that

[00:39:52] and megan of course getting strong with her abilities said me and megan are

[00:39:56] Soulmates or twin flames or have the terminology people want to use

[00:39:59] That we keep finding each other and path in every life not every life we lived we found each other but multiple of them

[00:40:06] We have found each other

[00:40:08] Even our previous life my previous life to this one. I was married to her

[00:40:13] Of course underneath different names and different looks altogether

[00:40:17] Yeah, uh, and I just moved to this one and we found each other again. So

[00:40:22] but

[00:40:23] Learning about the past lives and stuff like that that's what

[00:40:26] Um

[00:40:28] Gave me more understanding about

[00:40:31] Essentially why I'm here and I just forgot your original question. I went off in a tangent. Sorry

[00:40:38] All right, it's all right

[00:40:40] But not like the the past life stuff is very is is very interesting

[00:40:44] I think because like say it is funny how you know

[00:40:48] Certain people we have stuck strong connections with people like you could you can meet somebody and

[00:40:54] Like within a week you feel like your best friends with them or something

[00:40:56] I'll you know, you know, you won't like I want this person in my life forever now

[00:41:00] And it's like it's it's strange because like I said, then you meet other people and you know

[00:41:03] You're just more of an acquaintance and it's just strange how well you connect with certain people and like you know

[00:41:08] If you just make you think if that goes back further

[00:41:12] Yeah, and I've had that connection a couple of times already. Um

[00:41:16] The guy I spoke of he's in Canada Mike another Mike and I found something funny

[00:41:20] No paranormal team was complete without a Mike. There's always a Mike on a paranormal team

[00:41:25] I don't know how it happens, but that seems to have met like I know like six or seven mics who are on paranormal teams

[00:41:30] anyway

[00:41:31] I call them a unknown Mike because I had to have all all different mics

[00:41:35] I had to give them like a prefix name to their name just so I know that's Mike that Mike that Mike

[00:41:39] anyway

[00:41:41] uh, Canadian Mike

[00:41:42] Me and his relationship

[00:41:45] Is like brothers now because we got so close and it was over a short period of time too and

[00:41:49] We figured out that oh, we've done this before me and him. We have been friends and past lives

[00:41:54] We have me and him have been together in several past lives

[00:41:57] So it's like oh it's nothing new to us. It just is like meeting an old friend again

[00:42:01] And our connection has got stronger and I've helped him with his abilities. He's now become almost like a compass

[00:42:09] or radar he can

[00:42:12] Feel and pinpoint where something is and he gets a direction. Oh, it's over in that direction. He follows it

[00:42:19] um

[00:42:21] And anytime he's in the investigation that helps him like focus. Okay, it's in that direction

[00:42:25] Like a like a radar system or a compass that points him always where he needs to go

[00:42:30] In an investigation. He always it's yeah, he fights even because the EVPs his EMF detectors go off

[00:42:36] There's a lot of toys

[00:42:38] That will go off in investigation every time he follows up right path and stuff like that

[00:42:42] But yeah our relationship and of course now with my sister

[00:42:46] We're calling my sister not by blood but by spiritual blood if you want to call it

[00:42:50] um me and her several times siblings and stuff like that

[00:42:56] Yeah, it's it it does always interest me like I said, I'd love to speak to somebody who was able, you know, like

[00:43:03] Like you said, you know to tell you

[00:43:05] You know what your past lives have been and where you've been and what you've done

[00:43:09] And that sort of stuff like I said, I'd be that would really interest me

[00:43:13] um

[00:43:14] I would say look in the Dolores canon because what I learned about her and michael newton, um or dr. Michael newton

[00:43:22] What they've researched and what they've discovered over their time

[00:43:27] About past lives about alternate dimensions about soul contracts all that stuff very interesting

[00:43:33] That's what helped me get and get more knowledge and able to put more pieces of the puzzle together

[00:43:37] Yeah

[00:43:39] and

[00:43:42] So

[00:43:43] So back back back to your little

[00:43:46] Your prison ring or call it

[00:43:48] See in the program. Yeah

[00:43:51] I'm not gonna attempt to say that because I'm

[00:43:54] No escape. Yeah, no escape

[00:43:57] um

[00:43:59] I mean if I don't I don't know if you can share if you want to share like when did you last, you know

[00:44:03] Pull something into that when how long ago was that?

[00:44:07] Two nights ago

[00:44:08] Ah cool

[00:44:10] Yeah, something was um

[00:44:11] I was actually laying in bed

[00:44:13] And I was listening to music. I also felt my right hand like

[00:44:16] Small little to me like tingling. I was like, oh something must be close

[00:44:20] And I kind of set my hand off the bed and I like kind of just move it around like, you know radar

[00:44:25] And I figured out oh it's stronger in that direction like from behind me

[00:44:30] So I put my hand in that direction I could feel the sensation getting stronger and stronger as you get closer and closer

[00:44:36] And I waited till maybe it was like 10 feet outside the shield

[00:44:39] And I grabbed it and pulled it through the shield and tossed it in the ring. It was just a shadow finger

[00:44:46] Just a person. Um

[00:44:48] I've taken so much

[00:44:51] So many demons off the playing field, especially high rankers then

[00:44:55] Uh, whoever sending them is coming smartening up and decided hey, I'm not gonna send my big players after this guy anymore

[00:45:01] They'd not coming back. So

[00:45:03] Uh, we hardly ever get any um

[00:45:07] Attacks or people coming to us anymore. No entity seems to be dumb enough to even try anymore

[00:45:13] But the most interesting one I took recently

[00:45:17] Is a hat man

[00:45:19] All right

[00:45:21] Yeah

[00:45:22] That's really

[00:45:24] People are like what I remember I told my friend about his investigators like you took a what I was like, yeah

[00:45:29] Hat man is like wow what the fuck

[00:45:31] Like I didn't think they were even like 100 real. There's something like a shadow figure. No, no, no

[00:45:35] he was a fucking hat man and

[00:45:39] It was interesting is that when I threw him in the ring, he looked like a hat man the big hat the coat shadow figure

[00:45:45] And

[00:45:46] When I'm in the ring the same way I enter someone's mind forest

[00:45:49] I can enter the ring that way as well. I can see what's in there. I can communicate. I can talk to what's there

[00:45:54] Nice. Um, I can interrogate like information out of them

[00:45:58] And when I grabbed them I was able to burn away his disguise

[00:46:03] Of the hat of the cloak and everything like that and when I saw underneath was a shadow figure, but it was strange

[00:46:10] It's like his skin and his outer shell almost

[00:46:14] Was made of like obsidian glass

[00:46:17] And there was cracks and crevices in his flesh like the thing from the Fantastic four

[00:46:21] How he looked like he's built like rocks to pieces to get it

[00:46:24] So if you can imagine a human size person

[00:46:27] But their flesh is almost made of like black obsidian

[00:46:29] Putting pieces and that's how he's built no face no eyes no mouth

[00:46:34] But that's what he the underneath the hat and the jacket. That's what he looks like

[00:46:39] Yeah, I never seen it like all the entities I've taken I've never seen that before

[00:46:45] Yeah, yeah

[00:46:46] That's horrifying to imagine what that would look like

[00:46:48] Yeah

[00:46:50] I've told the several friends of mine is like you don't want to know what the things I look like that I put in that ring

[00:46:57] Horror movies never give any of it justice. That's a good idea

[00:47:01] yeah

[00:47:03] So, well, that's a good point

[00:47:05] And so like when you first started doing this and like you see in these things for the first time like I mean

[00:47:11] That'll make you lose any slaves, you know, like later work at night thinking like what the hell is going on here or

[00:47:17] Like I said, obviously when you're growing up and stuff and you just start used to it or

[00:47:22] It's strange is that

[00:47:24] It almost felt like after I started getting into it and then learning more getting more to the spirit guys learning more history is that

[00:47:31] Of everything it's almost like it's like an instinctual

[00:47:34] Instinctual feeling not to be intimidated

[00:47:36] And over time it got to a point where I was like it's like I was wanting a challenge

[00:47:43] Like a warrior's mindset like I want a fight

[00:47:45] I want someone to challenge me

[00:47:47] Because everyone I'm taking down is like I'm just smacking them with one time with a sword. They're dead. It's like that's it

[00:47:52] Like I want like a fight

[00:47:54] Um, and I guess that's where the warrior's mindset comes from from all the past lives of the previous life

[00:47:59] But it's like it's strange. It's like

[00:48:01] It's nothing new to me. It feels like I've done this before like I'm always already prepared like I'm not

[00:48:07] Overly affected by it. I'm not traumatized by it. I'm just it's like any other thing

[00:48:13] Like if I guess it's like your medium how they talk to dead spirits and talk to dead people

[00:48:17] They know they're dead but you talk to those people all the time. They don't seem affected by it

[00:48:21] It's the same sensation like, you know, this stuff is real. You're not afraid of it

[00:48:26] And I know I'm not afraid of it versus a lot of people because they can't do anything about it

[00:48:31] Like I've said nothing has been able to stop me everything I've grabbed or pulled that's over. It's done with

[00:48:38] So if you have that level of ability, of course, you're not going to be afraid of the dark

[00:48:43] You're not going to be afraid of anything that could be hiding in the shadows

[00:48:47] Spearwise anyway

[00:48:49] That could harm you because nothing is able unable to do so

[00:48:53] so

[00:48:53] Going into locations haunted locations. I always ask

[00:48:58] Anyone I've come like a friends with hey, can you send me to the worst place possible?

[00:49:02] Like you're ones that you're afraid to go into like with demon infested dark shit

[00:49:07] Like satanic symbols on the walls

[00:49:09] Send me there. I want to go to the most dangerous place possible and when I'm done

[00:49:14] It won't be anymore

[00:49:16] It will be just like any other place

[00:49:19] Nothing special

[00:49:21] But no, it's it's it's weird. It's like I have a big fan of horror

[00:49:25] I was always always been a big fan of the paranormal and horror films and the macabre and all that stuff

[00:49:30] so

[00:49:31] seeing this stuff it didn't

[00:49:34] It didn't intimidate me and to the fact that they also couldn't do anything to me

[00:49:37] I was like, oh, okay. I have power over these things. They don't have power over me

[00:49:40] And you hear a lot of second mediums saying that if you just tell something to leave or leave

[00:49:45] No, that's

[00:49:46] A human spirit maybe

[00:49:48] Maybe if they don't want something

[00:49:50] But a demon or something that was never human

[00:49:53] They only get two shits about what you tell them to do

[00:49:55] You just a human what are you going to do to them?

[00:49:58] They're gonna laugh in your face and do whatever they want to do

[00:50:00] Same goes for other forms of protection like incense or

[00:50:04] A sage right you burn that in your house. That's good at getting rid of negative energy

[00:50:09] That's lingering that you know people bring you to their house all the time

[00:50:13] But it's not gonna get rid of a dark human entity

[00:50:15] It might piss it off and make it leave for a little bit but it'll come back soon that smoke is evaporated

[00:50:19] Same for a demon it's like trying to put a bandit on a broken leg

[00:50:22] It's not gonna it kind of helps the problem, but it's not going to fix it

[00:50:26] That's the other brain again like a priest or a shaman or someone do a light worker

[00:50:30] Someone who's good at getting rid of it or myself

[00:50:33] But yeah after doing this for four years, it's I don't say it's it's become common placed

[00:50:38] Especially the things I've seen and I've seen demons in all shapes and forms

[00:50:43] From two horns from four from entirely black skin

[00:50:47] Some have red some have black eyes some have red eyes some are giant some are small

[00:50:52] Some speak with like a

[00:50:54] Like a snake's voice some have like a very grouchy low tone to their voice

[00:51:00] Some are just like scratching on nails kind of like how they talk

[00:51:04] Everything anything you can think of that will cause fear

[00:51:08] That's what they sound like and that's what they look like and I wouldn't have noticed too

[00:51:13] With demons especially the higher ranking ones is designs in their flesh

[00:51:17] Like it's almost like branding or carving in their skin

[00:51:22] And the higher the rank the more the designs like tattoos right the higher rank you are the more tattoos you have

[00:51:29] In gangs and stuff like that and that's what I noticed about the demons especially the high ranking ones

[00:51:33] They have more designs in their flesh versus say your average demon I might pull out of someplace

[00:51:38] And he's just you know a shadow figure with horns or just like a small humanoid looking kind of thing

[00:51:43] Um

[00:51:44] But versus the high ranking guys. Yeah, those guys they have like designs in their face and their flesh and stuff like that

[00:51:51] but

[00:51:52] um

[00:51:53] What else are we taking I think it's 125. That's all right 28 demons

[00:51:58] Uh

[00:52:00] Six skinwalkers five witches

[00:52:03] One elemental two hat man

[00:52:07] Uh

[00:52:08] Damn, I forget the whole list. It's like a whole shit ton of stuff

[00:52:12] Um, but yeah, it's like any oh, sorry three gen I've taken down three gens

[00:52:18] I thought gents were just demons, but no, they're their own other creature. Um

[00:52:22] And then like I said, I've lost count of how many human dark entities I've taken

[00:52:28] Yeah

[00:52:28] Yeah

[00:52:29] No, so the whole the whole reason I asked after that first question there was because it's a conversation

[00:52:34] Ian Billy have a lot

[00:52:37] Because he's done a few of his own like paranormal investigations

[00:52:41] And he always he always says he wants me to do one with him

[00:52:44] Which we are going to do at some point because he wants to see my reaction to how something if something happens

[00:52:49] Because I always say I won't be scared

[00:52:51] Like he always says to me or if if we're in a room and a door just slammed shut you will like

[00:52:56] Shake yourself and I'm like

[00:52:57] Like I won't like if I'm not facing the door. Yes, the sound might make me jump

[00:53:01] But I don't think just seeing a door close

[00:53:05] Would you know make me feel scared?

[00:53:08] Like I always feel like I want to see something that's gonna like

[00:53:11] Put the shits of me because like again, I'm big fan of horror and stuff and

[00:53:15] You know, I've got a wild imagination. So I can I can always think it's not really weird

[00:53:20] So I always think I want to see something

[00:53:22] That is going to make me like go like why I'm off

[00:53:26] Well

[00:53:27] The things I've seen in the ring that's like if you want to talk about like higher dimensional space

[00:53:30] Let's say it's fourth dimensional space right where ghosts and spirits are what I've seen in this

[00:53:35] Dimensional space third dimensional space right our our reality that's been kind of fucking weird

[00:53:40] I've seen a shadow figure because we're in this library investigate this library and moorhead which is about

[00:53:46] An hour or so from where we are and it's closer to the beach

[00:53:49] Um

[00:53:50] Up in it's it's a two-story building built in like the early 1900s

[00:53:55] And it's kind of like the way the hallways work in the room

[00:53:57] It's kind of like a big cross like like a one-way and they split in the middle one way

[00:54:01] it's like a big, you know cross kind of thing and uh

[00:54:06] We were in one room up the upstairs and I could see through the doorway into another room across the hallway

[00:54:12] in that other room at the far end

[00:54:15] I saw a shadow figure of a man standing with his arms up

[00:54:17] And then I see it had turned like this like it turned at me

[00:54:20] All right, I was like the balls on this thing to do that. All right

[00:54:23] And I ran toward everything ran to where I walked turn my flash that turned walk towards it disappeared

[00:54:29] Um, but the two things I've seen

[00:54:32] It's extremely strange

[00:54:34] And it's happened several times or two times already is why I like to call not a shadow cat

[00:54:40] But a shadow

[00:54:42] Animal entity that doesn't look like any animal we ever seen before what's strange is that

[00:54:47] Uh, I had an interview with um, carl johnson

[00:54:51] Uh, like the beginning part of the podcast and if you don't know who carl johnson is

[00:54:55] He's like the og paranormal investigator. He was the one who

[00:54:58] Uh first investigated the conjuring house before the warrens right him and his brother

[00:55:04] Told the warrens. Hey, you might want to check this place out

[00:55:07] And then of course the warrens took it over and stuff like that

[00:55:10] But him and his brother, uh have done like they've been investigating since the 70s. So

[00:55:15] When I had him on a podcast, I remember after talking to him

[00:55:18] I went to the bathroom in the hallway and I came out I was telling Megan

[00:55:21] Oh, it's a good good interview about I don't know a lot of stuff like that and all of a sudden

[00:55:25] Between my legs out running out of the bathroom into the recording room down the hall

[00:55:30] Is this black mass that's about the size of a cat but no tail no heads no feet

[00:55:37] Just a black shadow mass to kind of look like spiky almost

[00:55:41] But it was so black. It was like almost like in the phantom black

[00:55:44] It was so like negative of space and it's like kind of moved like a cat between my legs, which I didn't feel

[00:55:49] Ran into the room

[00:55:50] I was like what the hell and make in Megan saw it too. She like watch you freaked out like what the hell is that like

[00:55:55] Like there's an animal in house or something and we looked in the in the all in the in the recording room

[00:56:00] And there's nothing in there

[00:56:01] There's like what the fuck and we saw that same thing again in the same library that I saw the other shadow figure

[00:56:06] I saw it run from behind me towards like a library books area

[00:56:10] And then I was that when I saw it one of the investigators who's with us like holy shit

[00:56:14] Is there a cat in here?

[00:56:14] All right, he's looking at his flash like no, dude. I've seen that before and he's trying to do

[00:56:18] But yeah those things I've seen before and it it's almost like you have that

[00:56:23] Second of like freezing in place like shocked like holy shit because you're witnessing something

[00:56:29] In reality that should not be there. It should not exist. That's the first rational thing in your head

[00:56:36] This should not exist. This should not be there because I have been told by

[00:56:41] Foreign-intelligent people that this is not possible, but you're witnessing it with your eyes

[00:56:47] So the little conclusion you come with is I'm insane and I'm starting to see stuff or this stuff is real

[00:56:53] Yeah, yeah

[00:56:54] Supposed as well. It's like it's one of them. I suppose even even when you've seen things

[00:56:59] You're still probably gonna feel like that. I mean, I don't know whether you I don't know if you guys still do now

[00:57:03] After obviously seeing so many things but I'd imagine they have like say especially the first couple of times

[00:57:08] You're gonna think like this shouldn't be happening

[00:57:11] I mean, yeah where you stand with that

[00:57:15] Well, it's it's funny is that

[00:57:18] Now that I know how you always use a terminology now that I know how the sausage is made

[00:57:23] Uh after being an investigator doing it now and of course everything I've experienced

[00:57:27] When I watch like ghost adventures and I see those guys react

[00:57:31] Like it's day one. I like these guys have been for almost 20 years and act like if day one like oh

[00:57:37] They're doing it for entertainment

[00:57:40] I get it now

[00:57:41] They're putting this on because if you've been an investigator for more than like a couple of years

[00:57:46] You don't react like that. You don't jump into the air. You don't scream and holy crap and stuff like that

[00:57:51] Wow, wow, wow, you know, you don't react at all

[00:57:53] You might get a little bit like start like who right but you're not jumping up freaking out

[00:57:58] You're like holy crap. This is awesome. I caught something. I'm not afraid of what I saw. I'm excited that I caught it

[00:58:05] That sensation happens. I'm not I'm no longer afraid of what I encounter spirit-wise. I'm excited the fact that it did happen

[00:58:13] Um, and in the first two years of our invest three years, sorry of our investigation

[00:58:18] Being a paranormal investigators. We never roll you out cameras

[00:58:22] Because you never really needed any tech

[00:58:24] Uh, and then recently in the last year

[00:58:26] We started getting cameras and stuff like I wear like a body cam now

[00:58:31] It's good night vision. Good. We're audio too as a good quality

[00:58:35] so if you could see my perspective and um

[00:58:38] Megan has a camera, but now we have another call. I think another guy who's

[00:58:42] Um, we're trying out to see how he likes to be on our team

[00:58:45] Uh, hopefully you can handle the camera and what Megan doesn't need to but we're thinking about getting a body cam for her

[00:58:49] As well so you can see her perspective and then she had the inkling one time

[00:58:53] Uh, but a couple months ago at this place we've been to several times before

[00:58:58] It's a giant park. It's called Patsy's pond by all these natural sinkholes. There's waters

[00:59:04] And the original settlers in this area used to use that as a natural water source

[00:59:10] Anyway, we investigated several times and I've taken a lot of things from that place

[00:59:14] But we went back there just to test this guy out so that he deals with the situations

[00:59:17] It's kind of a light investigation. We don't expect anything bad to happen

[00:59:21] But she had the uh, you know, hey, let me put a camera up in a tree and set it on sensor mode

[00:59:26] See we were capturing like I was worried about it getting stolen

[00:59:29] But it's like there's no even out here. There's no one out out here after like eight o'clock

[00:59:33] So what the point yeah here? Hey, right?

[00:59:35] So I kind of put it up in a tree kind of hit it a little bit so we can see down

[00:59:39] The trailway and if we put it right up point we call crossroads

[00:59:43] And I call anything at crossroads where three or more paths connect at one point

[00:59:50] Um, not like two paths connecting but like three paths from three different directions all center one point

[00:59:55] We find that those spaces generate a lot of negative a lot of energy

[00:59:59] So like let's see put it right there

[01:00:01] And plus it's a perfect spot because you can see who's coming down the path and you can see who's leaving

[01:00:05] So if any people in there

[01:00:08] And we leave it there and we come back we do our investigation. We come back really picking up on our way out

[01:00:14] Megan goes over the footage

[01:00:16] And what she captured is something or someone running

[01:00:22] past the camera

[01:00:24] And it's clear like you can see this person clear

[01:00:28] but

[01:00:30] You can't tell with their face

[01:00:32] And it looks like a kid from the height and from that shape of the head

[01:00:35] And almost like the hair cuts kind of like bullish right very short

[01:00:39] Like cut right here cut kind of like perfectly around their head stuff like that

[01:00:43] But this kid wasn't wearing a shirt

[01:00:46] And he was running and if he was running out of the park, he went the wrong direction

[01:00:51] He went from

[01:00:52] In another way also the way he was running. He would have to pass us on the trail

[01:00:57] Like he would have to run past us and or to get to the point where he is

[01:01:01] And he ran the trail past the camera deeper into that the woods deeper into the trail

[01:01:06] And really what the fuck and we can see it clearly and now you can almost hear like uh,

[01:01:10] If we caught a couple EVPs of this weird like

[01:01:14] Like it's weird sound is in perfect like two four signature

[01:01:18] um

[01:01:20] And we Megan looked up like native americans in that area, you know hundreds of years ago

[01:01:26] And yeah, there were tribes of people who had that same hairstyle

[01:01:32] So she caught on the camera spare of a native american person running by from wherever century

[01:01:39] Um and we posted our instagram and stuff like that. I think our tiktok as well. You can find it there

[01:01:43] um, but yeah along with them other footage too because

[01:01:47] I've tried

[01:01:48] I know talked about

[01:01:50] My ability and stuff like that and I know it's hard for anyone to believe

[01:01:53] And I think well, I have to see proof and the thing is I have no physical proof

[01:01:57] To show anyone like if you would did investigation with me you would feel the energy change

[01:02:03] That's my biggest proof that I've ever had you feel the energy change

[01:02:07] But the closest thing we have for physical proof

[01:02:10] Is um, we were investigating a park that's near our house and I was wearing a body cam and you see my hand

[01:02:15] My point of view reached out and I grabbed something and I pull it and when I pull it in front of the camera

[01:02:19] You see that this white layer of mist over my hand and my forearm

[01:02:24] When I'm pulling something I say gotcha

[01:02:27] And then you see it just disappear

[01:02:29] Like you see it like laid on my arm and it fade away as I pull the energy into the ring

[01:02:35] But that's the closest thing of physical proof that I have

[01:02:38] Yeah, I think like say proof is the biggest problem with everything isn't it because people always want proof of something

[01:02:46] but obviously

[01:02:48] Within the paranormal stuff. It's very hard to get proof and even if you do get something

[01:02:53] People are still going to try and disprove it anyway

[01:02:56] So it's yeah, no in situation really

[01:02:59] Well my last big challenge I've yet to do

[01:03:04] is

[01:03:06] See how I

[01:03:08] Favour against someone who is fully possessed

[01:03:11] Right then guys, that's the end of part one of this very interesting conversation with Isaac

[01:03:16] If you want to hear the next part keep your eyes and ears peeled soon because the episode will be out later on today