Let's Talk About... Horror Movies With Cine-Ful Cuts! Ep.50

[00:00:10] Rely guys, welcome back to Let's Talk About, we've got Liam and Billy here once again as always and today we have two very special guests for our little Halloween series. We have Sean and Shannon from the podcast Sinful Cuts, so Sean, Shannon, welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:23] Hello guys.

[00:00:24] Thank you.

[00:00:25] So happy to be on, thanks for having us on.

[00:00:27] So excited.

[00:00:29] No problem, no problem.

[00:00:31] Okay, we'll talk about Halloween stuff with you guys.

[00:00:34] We can't wait either.

[00:00:36] We were just talking yesterday, weren't we Liam, about how much better Halloween is over in America, over in the States and stuff.

[00:00:43] Yeah, you think so?

[00:00:45] Oh, compared to here, yeah.

[00:00:46] Yeah?

[00:00:47] Yeah, definitely.

[00:00:49] It's a month long, yeah, I mean it starts October 1st.

[00:00:52] I already have people that have started decorating, you know, second week of September, they start throwing Halloween decorations.

[00:00:57] Our start on the 29th.

[00:00:59] Aww.

[00:01:01] So we are better, okay.

[00:01:04] We're getting better.

[00:01:05] Yeah.

[00:01:06] We're getting better.

[00:01:09] More of the stories that you guys have over there.

[00:01:12] I would think it would start earlier, but I don't know.

[00:01:15] Yeah.

[00:01:16] Like, nah.

[00:01:17] Alright.

[00:01:19] Unfortunately not.

[00:01:20] For some of us it does.

[00:01:20] Us who actually like it, it does.

[00:01:23] Yeah.

[00:01:24] Oh yeah, you should see what's behind me in the next room that way.

[00:01:28] It's just Halloween stuff everywhere.

[00:01:29] Oh, that's great.

[00:01:30] That's great.

[00:01:31] Yeah, I'm trying to.

[00:01:31] You know, mine's not Halloween, but I got a lot of horror stuff up on the wall.

[00:01:35] So it kind of.

[00:01:36] I like it.

[00:01:36] It keeps the vibe up all year long, you know?

[00:01:38] Yeah.

[00:01:39] Yeah.

[00:01:39] Yeah.

[00:01:39] For sure.

[00:01:40] I've got all sorts.

[00:01:41] I mean, it's all miles away.

[00:01:43] We've just moved in, so.

[00:01:45] Right there, so to start us off, should we talk about our favourite Halloween memories and favourite costumes and stuff?

[00:01:51] Because, like I said, we're intrigued for this from you guys because of how much better Halloween is over there.

[00:01:56] Yeah.

[00:01:58] Yeah.

[00:01:59] I'm going to start it off with what I'm going to say could possibly be the best Halloween story of all time.

[00:02:06] Oh.

[00:02:07] Now I'm in trouble.

[00:02:08] Look at you putting yourself up on a pedestal.

[00:02:10] Yeah, I mean, look, you can't make a bold statement.

[00:02:13] You can't make a bold statement like that without backing it up.

[00:02:15] Okay, so this is back in elementary school.

[00:02:19] So, like primary years for you guys.

[00:02:21] So, this would have been, you know, I guess we were about maybe 12, you know, 10, 12 years old.

[00:02:28] And they used to have a Halloween party up at the school.

[00:02:30] So, you'd go trick-or-treating and then you would end up at the Halloween party at the school and they'd take the, you know, the auditorium or gymnasium and they'd decorate it.

[00:02:37] And it was actually really great.

[00:02:38] Bobbing for apples, you know, you'd get some candy.

[00:02:41] But they had a make yourself, make it yourself sundae, ice cream sundae table.

[00:02:48] That was unsupervised.

[00:02:50] So, a friend of mine, I can't say his name because at the end of this story he would absolutely sue if I said his name.

[00:02:58] So, let's just call him Danny.

[00:02:59] So, Danny is an ice cream fanatic and he makes himself, and this is no, we counted, little Dixie cups.

[00:03:08] It wasn't the biggest thing in the world, but he made himself 13.

[00:03:10] So, he had 13 Sundays.

[00:03:13] Then the, you know, party ends and everyone goes home.

[00:03:17] Now, this is years later.

[00:03:19] Years later.

[00:03:19] Because we were always like, that's a lot of ice cream for someone to eat.

[00:03:23] He probably didn't feel well later on that night.

[00:03:26] We find out, this is senior year of high school.

[00:03:29] So, shit, it would have been almost eight years, seven, eight years later.

[00:03:32] He told the full story.

[00:03:34] Oh, by the way, I'm sorry, can we swear on the podcast?

[00:03:36] Oh, yeah, say what you want on here.

[00:03:37] Okay.

[00:03:38] All right.

[00:03:40] Liam's here.

[00:03:42] Fuck yeah, Liam.

[00:03:44] All right.

[00:03:45] We all go out one night and, you know, the beers were flowing and he finally let loose what happened that night.

[00:03:52] So, he was kind of like what we call a latchkey kid.

[00:03:57] You know, his parents were divorced and his mom was working.

[00:04:00] She was a nurse.

[00:04:01] She was working late that night.

[00:04:02] So, he was, you know, by himself.

[00:04:04] And he let himself into the house.

[00:04:06] And then he immediately shit his pants.

[00:04:09] So, he didn't even make it to the bathroom.

[00:04:13] And because he's only 10, 11, 12 years old, he wants to, you know, he doesn't want to get caught.

[00:04:19] So, he's cleaning everything up.

[00:04:22] And he puts his pants in what he thought was the washer machine.

[00:04:26] But it was the dryer.

[00:04:28] And then he turned it on and left the room.

[00:04:32] He goes to bed that night.

[00:04:34] And his mom comes home after her shift to baked diarrhea.

[00:04:42] Wafting throughout the entire house.

[00:04:45] I mean, I understand why he waited seven years to tell this story.

[00:04:50] But he shit his pants and then he cooked his pants.

[00:04:53] That he shit him, essentially.

[00:04:55] What shit in it?

[00:04:56] Yeah.

[00:04:57] So, that's one of my Halloween stories.

[00:05:01] Wow.

[00:05:01] But I don't know.

[00:05:02] I want someone else to go next.

[00:05:04] Oh, my God.

[00:05:05] That one totally beats mine.

[00:05:08] I thought mine and yours were good, Billy.

[00:05:13] Yeah.

[00:05:14] I don't think mine's good.

[00:05:16] Yours is.

[00:05:17] You forcing me to tell mine.

[00:05:19] That's because it makes you sound like a lunatic.

[00:05:21] That's why.

[00:05:22] Because I was a lunatic when it happened.

[00:05:24] Well, Billy, you have to go next then.

[00:05:26] Because now we have to hear it.

[00:05:30] Right.

[00:05:30] Okay.

[00:05:30] Fair enough.

[00:05:32] Oh, dear.

[00:05:34] So, I'm going to start off by saying I was around the age of 11 or 12.

[00:05:38] And you shit your pants.

[00:05:39] Before the dress was taken.

[00:05:40] No, not quite.

[00:05:41] Not quite.

[00:05:43] I think I'd caused that.

[00:05:48] So, it was like a Halloween party.

[00:05:51] Again, all very young.

[00:05:53] You know, 11 and 12 years old.

[00:05:54] And I had a bit of a strange obsession with Jason Voorhees when I was that age.

[00:05:59] It's not an age you should be obsessed with someone like that.

[00:06:02] But I was.

[00:06:04] I had his mask.

[00:06:05] And I had like a camouflage jacket on.

[00:06:07] God knows what else.

[00:06:07] But there was a...

[00:06:09] Don't ask where I got it from because I couldn't tell you.

[00:06:11] But I know I had a pole, a large pole laying around.

[00:06:15] And I picked it up, put the mask on, put a camouflage jacket on.

[00:06:20] Walked into the room full of my friends.

[00:06:23] Just kind of stood there and stared at everyone.

[00:06:25] It's very strange.

[00:06:26] I'm well aware.

[00:06:28] This is all very normal today.

[00:06:30] I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:06:33] Thank you.

[00:06:33] This sounds correct.

[00:06:35] I don't know.

[00:06:37] So, everyone was a bit, you know, laughing and stuff at first.

[00:06:40] And then I didn't move.

[00:06:42] I just stood there and glared at everyone.

[00:06:46] Yeah, but for how long, Dylan?

[00:06:47] Turned a light.

[00:06:49] No, that's not...

[00:06:50] That's not...

[00:06:50] I'm not there yet.

[00:06:51] I'm not there yet.

[00:06:54] Everyone had left anyway.

[00:06:55] Left my house.

[00:06:56] They were all a bit freaked out.

[00:06:58] I was called all names under the sun, as you can imagine, at that age.

[00:07:00] I didn't respond to anything.

[00:07:02] Just stood there with a pole in hand, staring at everyone.

[00:07:06] Chased them to...

[00:07:07] So, my friend's nana's house was like up the road, to your right.

[00:07:12] Maybe 10-minute walk, if that.

[00:07:15] They all walked there.

[00:07:17] And I followed them with a pole in hand, still with a mask on.

[00:07:21] Not saying a word, just doing that slow, creepy walk.

[00:07:26] Following them.

[00:07:27] At this point, they are a bit freaked out.

[00:07:29] Bear in mind, it's pitch black.

[00:07:30] It's dark.

[00:07:31] It's getting late now.

[00:07:32] They went into my friend's grandma's house.

[00:07:36] And they just stared out the window.

[00:07:39] And I stayed about, what, 20 meters back?

[00:07:42] But just stared into the window.

[00:07:43] I just stood there still, pole in hand.

[00:07:46] Look at John.

[00:07:47] Billy, you're taking this to a very uncomfortable place.

[00:07:51] Yes.

[00:07:52] And you've stood there for an hour.

[00:07:53] I know.

[00:07:54] Oh, come on, Billy.

[00:07:55] What the hell?

[00:07:57] I was stood there for a good 45 minutes to an hour, yeah.

[00:08:00] Then nana came out and said she was going to call the police.

[00:08:02] And the police could come.

[00:08:03] Come on.

[00:08:05] My explanation at that point was it was Halloween.

[00:08:09] I was being spooky.

[00:08:11] I was getting into character.

[00:08:13] What do you want?

[00:08:15] I love two things about that story.

[00:08:17] I love the fact that you were so committed to being such a young little weirdo.

[00:08:23] They stayed out there until they called the cops.

[00:08:25] But the second thing I love about that story, and this is where turn of phrase is different from country to country.

[00:08:31] If you say to people here in New York that I stood outside my friend's house with my pole in my hand for an hour,

[00:08:38] it means something completely different here, Billy.

[00:08:41] No, it means the same thing here, man.

[00:08:47] I didn't think that through.

[00:08:48] I'm surprised Liam didn't call me out on that.

[00:08:51] Oh, my God.

[00:08:54] Yeah, I don't think the police would have let me home had it been that way around.

[00:09:00] Oh, my God.

[00:09:01] Oh, my goodness.

[00:09:02] We'll say a metal bar.

[00:09:04] How about that?

[00:09:04] No, I like it better with pole in hand.

[00:09:06] The story's better.

[00:09:08] Yeah, pole in hand.

[00:09:09] Totally much better than that.

[00:09:10] Oh, you little weirdo.

[00:09:13] That's fantastic.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:16] Oh, that's great.

[00:09:16] I mentioned it once as a one-off.

[00:09:18] And because we're at Halloween now, Liam, every time we do a guest episode or anything,

[00:09:23] he's forcing me to tell you.

[00:09:26] It's a little bit of behaviour, you fucking psycho.

[00:09:28] All right, you're slow-dropping zombie.

[00:09:30] Let's get into yours.

[00:09:31] We will, but I won't say it.

[00:09:33] I didn't make the joke about the pole in hand because I was thinking the whole time

[00:09:36] that you actually have a lot in common with Jason Voorhees, don't you?

[00:09:39] I mean, you never see your dad, a face only a mother could love.

[00:09:41] I mean, makes sense.

[00:09:45] And I don't like water.

[00:09:47] Oh, my God.

[00:09:48] I want to come back on this podcast every week now.

[00:09:51] This is the best.

[00:09:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:09:54] We need to come back.

[00:09:55] Oh, my God.

[00:09:55] I'm crying.

[00:09:57] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Liam's is a good one.

[00:10:01] Liam's is a good one.

[00:10:01] All right, Liam.

[00:10:01] Let's hear it.

[00:10:02] What do you got?

[00:10:03] Right, so this was, when was that?

[00:10:07] I don't know, 2016, 17 maybe.

[00:10:09] We had a Halloween party at where we used to work, where me and Billy actually met,

[00:10:13] where we used to work together at a pub.

[00:10:15] And we had a Halloween party there.

[00:10:16] I went as a zombie, you know, whole face covered in blood.

[00:10:21] Even had black lipstick on, black nail varnished a lot.

[00:10:23] Fully went for it, bite marks all over me.

[00:10:26] And obviously had quite a lot to drink.

[00:10:30] And as the night was coming to the end, for some reason,

[00:10:32] I don't even know what song was on.

[00:10:34] For some reason, I decided to do a slut drop.

[00:10:36] Don't ask.

[00:10:38] Rip my jeans from ass to ankle.

[00:10:45] Can we just, can we put some context to it?

[00:10:48] Liam's six foot two.

[00:10:50] He's a bigger lad.

[00:10:51] What a good ankle.

[00:10:52] This.

[00:10:54] And we decided we were going to carry on drinking afterwards.

[00:10:57] We would have gone somewhere else.

[00:10:59] So I thought, right, well, I'm going to have to go and get changed.

[00:11:01] So went home, got changed.

[00:11:03] Paid for a taxi home, got changed.

[00:11:05] Went back out.

[00:11:06] Realized I forgot my wallet.

[00:11:08] So I had to go back and pay twice as much in bloody taxis,

[00:11:10] which was annoying.

[00:11:11] And then we'll say, obviously, like I say again,

[00:11:14] dressed as a zombie, face covered in blood,

[00:11:15] bite marks all over me.

[00:11:17] As you say, I got lucky that night.

[00:11:18] And then I had to do basically a taxi ride home of shame dressed as a zombie.

[00:11:23] Kind of do love that though.

[00:11:25] I do love it.

[00:11:26] Yeah.

[00:11:28] And the person that you went home with gets props for then hooking up with a zombie,

[00:11:35] with a zombie Liam.

[00:11:36] So that's fantastic.

[00:11:38] Well, that wasn't the only time it ever happens.

[00:11:40] So I mean, that doesn't say wrong for me, does it?

[00:11:48] Oh my God.

[00:11:49] That is a good one.

[00:11:50] It's when she tried to take the makeup off and nothing came off.

[00:11:55] I'm going around with something in Necrophilia.

[00:11:57] I got some of it.

[00:11:59] Oh my goodness.

[00:12:00] That's great.

[00:12:00] Isn't Halloween great, guys?

[00:12:02] Exactly.

[00:12:03] Oh, it's beautiful.

[00:12:06] Psychopathic 12-year-olds and slut-dropping zombies.

[00:12:08] Nice.

[00:12:09] I love it.

[00:12:10] I am going to be using slut-drop all the time now.

[00:12:14] All the time.

[00:12:16] Oh my God.

[00:12:17] All right, Shannon, you're up.

[00:12:18] What do you got?

[00:12:19] All right.

[00:12:20] So the one I came up with was, I was probably about maybe eight years old.

[00:12:26] And this is before Airbnbs were a thing.

[00:12:30] But I remember I went away with my parents for a Halloween weekend.

[00:12:34] And we stayed in a house.

[00:12:36] And there were other people there.

[00:12:37] I want to say it was a pretty big house.

[00:12:39] And our neighbors who lived across the street where I grew up, they came as well.

[00:12:46] And so this was obviously another couple.

[00:12:48] And they had two daughters.

[00:12:49] One about my age, one a little bit younger.

[00:12:52] And there was a whole big thing where we did a movie night.

[00:12:58] We did a whole bunch of different activities, carving pumpkins, the whole bit.

[00:13:02] And there was one night where we got donned in our costumes.

[00:13:05] And we call it here like haunted walkthroughs.

[00:13:09] Like, you know, like the haunted houses that you go into.

[00:13:12] But this was more of like a field where they had huge tents.

[00:13:16] And just like things on the, you know, like random things on the side.

[00:13:19] Someone getting cut up.

[00:13:21] Or, you know, like random like decor.

[00:13:23] Like they kept it a little bit more open.

[00:13:24] Because I want to say it was like half a corn maze, half a pumpkin patch.

[00:13:29] And then half of you go in these tents and see like these, you know, people dressed up in decor and things like that.

[00:13:36] So because there was a lot of families.

[00:13:38] So I think they tried keeping it like a little bit tame.

[00:13:40] So it wasn't like a tight corner type of, you know, it wasn't anything like that from what I remember.

[00:13:45] Now, my, the other family that came with us.

[00:13:51] Again, I'm not going to do names either.

[00:13:53] But she went as her costume.

[00:13:56] The mother was a flasher.

[00:13:59] So she had, right?

[00:14:01] So she had a, it was hilarious too.

[00:14:03] Because so these were, she had a prosthetic set of boobs on.

[00:14:07] So it wasn't real.

[00:14:08] So, but I remember when we were convoying on the way there, the girls, the two daughters kept putting the boobs up on the window.

[00:14:18] So, so the boobs were already like a huge joke, like on the way there.

[00:14:22] So we, we couldn't wait for the, we couldn't wait for this night.

[00:14:25] So she got the prosthetic on.

[00:14:27] She has a hat.

[00:14:28] She has glasses.

[00:14:29] And she has a trench coat.

[00:14:30] So she's going up to random people, flashing people like, you know, like frigging having a lot of fun with it.

[00:14:36] That's pretty good.

[00:14:37] Yeah.

[00:14:38] So this one, this one woman that she got so good.

[00:14:42] So this was a woman who worked at the place.

[00:14:46] So her costume or whatever, her job, if you will, like, I guess she had one of those like makeshift tables where she's actually sitting underneath it.

[00:14:57] And then, so the idea was like, they put like, what do you call it?

[00:15:00] Like a, like a dome.

[00:15:02] Like when you, when you reveal food, like the lid or whatever, like, was that fancy?

[00:15:06] Like silver platter thing?

[00:15:08] You know, I don't know what they're called, but, but basically every once in a while her head was covered.

[00:15:13] And then there was like a chef with, you know, disgusting like meats and stuff around lifted her, lifted, lifted the dome, revealing her head on a table on a silver platter.

[00:15:23] And then all of a sudden she would wake up and go, and scare, you know, scare people that didn't realize that she was a real person.

[00:15:30] Okay.

[00:15:31] Um, so when, when the time came for us to pass, the guy does, the guy and the girl do their thing.

[00:15:38] He lifts, she, you know, opens her eyes, goes, ah, so my friend's mom goes, ah, that woman screamed so loud.

[00:15:53] And we were just hysterical laughing.

[00:15:55] We were all like, ha ha, I got you.

[00:15:58] That is good.

[00:15:59] So yeah.

[00:16:00] So one random, uh, you know, random story that I came up with.

[00:16:05] I was hysterical laughing, retelling that with my parents.

[00:16:09] Halloween is great.

[00:16:11] I can imagine.

[00:16:11] I was in a nine hour car ride with my parents, uh, yesterday.

[00:16:15] We were coming back from vacation.

[00:16:18] So we were like reminiscing about things like that.

[00:16:22] I can't believe you all still love each other after nine hours in the car.

[00:16:26] I know.

[00:16:27] I'm not going to see them for another three weeks.

[00:16:30] Can I tell you guys, cause my, my story was, was about a poor friend, but I'm going to, can I tell you guys a quick story that embarrasses the hell out of me?

[00:16:37] You guys are going to love it.

[00:16:39] All right.

[00:16:40] So my wife and I, before we were married, we, uh, we were living together.

[00:16:43] We had a Halloween party, invite all our friends and I'm a huge universal monsters lover.

[00:16:48] So I go as Frankenstein, put the hair up.

[00:16:51] It's actually very much reminiscent of my natural hairdo and I'm green all over.

[00:16:56] And I'm really, you know, it's all behind my ears and I'm so thorough and I'm covered in green.

[00:17:01] And I got like the, you know, the jacket and everything.

[00:17:03] And I think I look spot on and I cannot wait for everyone to show up.

[00:17:07] So the guests are coming in.

[00:17:09] We're having a great time.

[00:17:10] And you know, in Halloween party, people are like, Oh, you are, you know, so-and-so.

[00:17:14] No, you're Wonder Woman and you're Batman.

[00:17:16] And Oh, you're the Wolfman.

[00:17:18] And people kept going to me.

[00:17:20] Oh, you are the Jolly Green Giant's little nephew.

[00:17:27] Now I'm a, I'm a grown man.

[00:17:30] And I was, I was upset.

[00:17:31] Like I was a five-year-old child.

[00:17:34] I was in the corner.

[00:17:35] Like my, like what, you know, wife comes over and she's like, what's wrong?

[00:17:38] And I'm like, no one knows what my costume is.

[00:17:40] They all think I'm the fucking Jolly Green Giant's nephew.

[00:17:43] So she teases me to this day that, you know, they call them Sprout.

[00:17:47] So she calls me Sprout every Halloween.

[00:17:49] And I'm like, that's fucked up.

[00:17:51] And I want a divorce.

[00:17:57] Now Shannon's going to call me Sprout every episode.

[00:17:59] I can feel it.

[00:18:01] Only in the right moments.

[00:18:03] In the right moments.

[00:18:04] Oh, yeah.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:08] Oh, brilliant.

[00:18:09] Fair play.

[00:18:10] Love it.

[00:18:11] That'd be a good costume for you then, Billy, that.

[00:18:15] What?

[00:18:16] Well, if you're supposed to be shorter than a giant, then it'd be a good costume for you,

[00:18:19] wouldn't it?

[00:18:25] Couldn't hold that one back, could you?

[00:18:27] Short jokes in, you know that.

[00:18:30] You don't get the short jokes in, then I'm going to get too personal.

[00:18:34] You do, mate.

[00:18:36] Like a bit sort of tail.

[00:18:38] Oh, my goodness gracious.

[00:18:43] Right.

[00:18:43] And so seeing as it's Halloween, and obviously you guys, obviously you're all about horror

[00:18:48] movies.

[00:18:49] So we have to talk about the Halloween series, don't we?

[00:18:52] Yes.

[00:18:53] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:55] So what are your opinions on it?

[00:18:58] More to the point.

[00:18:59] Can you guys explain to Billy how the series works?

[00:19:03] Because he doesn't really know.

[00:19:05] We don't know either.

[00:19:08] Yeah, Billy, you get past Halloween 4 and all bets are off.

[00:19:12] It's fucking bananas.

[00:19:14] It really is.

[00:19:15] Right.

[00:19:15] Okay.

[00:19:16] So the short version of it is, it's kind of similar to what happened Friday the 13th series,

[00:19:22] like around like maybe five or six, where everybody just says like, oh, I'm just gonna like restart

[00:19:30] it.

[00:19:30] But not necessarily restart it.

[00:19:32] They're not like, oh, I'm gonna have a crack at it.

[00:19:35] But they kind of like, fuck everything that happened in the last movie.

[00:19:40] And they just continue like, with their own version.

[00:19:44] Like, it's just, I don't know.

[00:19:45] There's a lot of details that are missed.

[00:19:47] And now they've just been fucking insane.

[00:19:50] We're like, we're just gonna forget everything that happened past part two.

[00:19:54] And, you know, with the 40 year, the 40 year reunion ones, which I mean, I didn't even get past

[00:20:01] the first one.

[00:20:02] I only, I didn't even see the second and third installment of that series.

[00:20:06] But the series, I couldn't do it.

[00:20:08] It's just.

[00:20:09] They made two huge mistakes.

[00:20:10] And I blame the screen, I blame whoever the screenwriters were after Halloween 3.

[00:20:16] They made two huge mistakes.

[00:20:18] They, they made Michael and Laurie related, brother and sister, which paints them into a

[00:20:24] box.

[00:20:25] And then whoever the screenwriter was, that was like, you think that's a box?

[00:20:30] Let me introduce the cult of Thorne.

[00:20:31] Now I'm really gonna fuck everything up.

[00:20:33] And they just kind of, instead of making it a wider vision, which is what Carpenter wanted,

[00:20:39] because he really did want an anthology.

[00:20:41] Halloween 3 was supposed to be Halloween 2.

[00:20:44] And it was just supposed to be, you know, you guys would have gotten your own Halloween

[00:20:48] installment.

[00:20:48] They would have had one in England.

[00:20:50] They would have had one in Spain.

[00:20:51] They would have had one, you know, in New York City.

[00:20:54] And it just would have been Salem, Massachusetts.

[00:20:57] I mean, they just would have done different movies with just that, that hollow, you know,

[00:21:01] Halloween and name through line.

[00:21:02] And that sounds interesting as hell.

[00:21:04] But of course, you know, once the movies started making some serious money for Mustafa Akkad,

[00:21:09] he's like, we are staying with the family.

[00:21:12] You know, we're staying here.

[00:21:14] And then just, they, they kept shrinking it down until you kind of just write yourself

[00:21:18] into a box.

[00:21:19] You can't get out of.

[00:21:20] Yeah.

[00:21:20] I think it was borderline.

[00:21:22] Seems to be a kiss.

[00:21:23] I think it was borderline competing too with Friday the 13th as well and other series like

[00:21:30] that because it kept making money.

[00:21:32] Yeah.

[00:21:33] They made a lot of people a lot of money.

[00:21:35] That's for sure.

[00:21:36] Yeah.

[00:21:37] For sure.

[00:21:39] So.

[00:21:39] Right.

[00:21:40] Okay.

[00:21:40] So it's, it's, it's essentially just going nowhere.

[00:21:44] They're sort of going back on themselves.

[00:21:45] Yeah.

[00:21:46] You get to four and just stop.

[00:21:49] And we actually have friends.

[00:21:50] We, uh, we contribute to a, uh, uh, uh, online website, uh, Macabre Daily.

[00:21:55] And we have friends who work there that are adamant.

[00:21:59] They're like, stop at four.

[00:22:01] And even four is a little, like a little iffy.

[00:22:04] They're like, you know, really it's one and two.

[00:22:06] And then you're kind of, you're kind of done.

[00:22:08] And then it just enjoy three is its own thing, which I, three is my favorite.

[00:22:12] I love that.

[00:22:13] Yeah.

[00:22:14] Yeah.

[00:22:14] Three is a ton of fun.

[00:22:15] I don't know.

[00:22:16] Maybe it was too many hands in the pot kind of a situation.

[00:22:18] I don't really know.

[00:22:20] Um, but again, like I think it was just a lot of people were like, no, this is going

[00:22:24] to be the last one.

[00:22:25] But then that last one makes a ton of money and that's all people see.

[00:22:30] And how do you not continue it?

[00:22:31] I mean, there are icons at this point, you know, but you think about it.

[00:22:34] What's, what's the story of Halloween?

[00:22:36] I mean, that comes back to kill his sister.

[00:22:38] That's it.

[00:22:39] I mean, there's, there's not a lot of meat on the bone, you know, to stretch that

[00:22:43] damn thing out, which is kind of fantastic that, you know, Friday the 13th, Nightmare

[00:22:47] on Elm Street, Halloween, that these kind of one note, great one movie, he stretched

[00:22:54] them out like Taffy.

[00:22:56] You know what I mean?

[00:22:58] And they, and like Taffy, it gets thinner and thinner and thinner the further you go.

[00:23:03] But I still love them.

[00:23:04] I mean, I'll watch the, I'll watch them every day instead of doing work and making my career

[00:23:10] successful.

[00:23:11] I'll watch them.

[00:23:12] I'll watch them.

[00:23:18] What are your guys' opinions on the Rob Zombie versions?

[00:23:21] Because it might be a controversial opinion.

[00:23:23] I quite like them.

[00:23:25] One, I really liked.

[00:23:27] I thought it was an interesting, different viewpoint.

[00:23:30] Yeah.

[00:23:30] Um, second one, no.

[00:23:34] I mean, if I was going to start seeing his mom as a ghost, no.

[00:23:37] Like, that was just an excuse to write, uh, you know, as much as I love Sherry Moon Zombie,

[00:23:41] that was an excuse just to write her in there.

[00:23:43] And I was, that was dumb, I thought.

[00:23:45] Yeah.

[00:23:45] I don't know.

[00:23:46] I don't know.

[00:23:46] To me.

[00:23:47] But I liked the first one a lot.

[00:23:50] I don't like either one of them, but I will say this, Liam.

[00:23:53] I will say that I, I do love the fact that Rob Zombie was given the chance to do his own

[00:23:59] vision.

[00:24:00] I don't think there's enough of that.

[00:24:01] You know, I mean, especially if you're going to, if you're going to try and tackle someone's

[00:24:05] established IP, come at it with a new perspective, which he did.

[00:24:09] It didn't, it didn't land for me, but I really do respect the fact that he, he had a different

[00:24:14] take on it.

[00:24:15] You know, he could have just done a very standard remake, which I, I think we got a little bit

[00:24:19] of that with the David Gordon Greens, you know?

[00:24:22] Yeah.

[00:24:23] They were, they were supposed to be so groundbreaking because they was going to take the story in

[00:24:27] a different direction.

[00:24:28] But the criticism was that it just felt like more of the same, you know, with those, with

[00:24:32] those movies.

[00:24:39] At all.

[00:24:40] I thought that was so much worse.

[00:24:42] Oh, well, then he was like, hold my beer.

[00:24:45] And then he did the exorcist.

[00:24:48] Pretty much.

[00:24:50] Yeah.

[00:24:50] Yeah.

[00:24:51] But yeah, no, it's definitely a confusing history.

[00:24:55] If you will.

[00:24:56] The timeline is just, I think that's the, that's the worst thing about it.

[00:25:00] It's every film I've ever seen.

[00:25:02] It's got the most confusing timeline ever.

[00:25:04] Yeah.

[00:25:04] Right.

[00:25:05] It does.

[00:25:06] Oh, absolutely.

[00:25:07] Absolutely.

[00:25:07] The only one that's consistent is, uh, is the second one, you know, like that's, I

[00:25:13] think that, I think Carpenter was, uh, really adamant on that.

[00:25:16] Like, I'm just going to keep it the same fucking night.

[00:25:18] Like, I'm like, why, why continue it a year or two, three, whatever later?

[00:25:23] Like, I know he had a hard time writing that, um, uh, to begin with because he didn't want

[00:25:27] to do it in the first place.

[00:25:29] So he did what anybody would do.

[00:25:31] I became an alcoholic.

[00:25:36] I see you, John.

[00:25:40] He was like, I don't know.

[00:25:41] I should get one.

[00:25:42] He, um, yeah, he's like, I had, uh, you know, like my pen, my paper and my 12 pack.

[00:25:49] Hold on, Billy.

[00:25:50] That is my favorite moment of the podcast right now.

[00:25:56] I couldn't believe that just happened by the way.

[00:25:59] You're talking to a guy who's got two kids.

[00:26:01] Uh, you know, I love seeing this.

[00:26:03] I love it.

[00:26:05] Can't believe he's just run through the back, but naked.

[00:26:09] I'm tearing the world.

[00:26:11] Don't talk to you as a video.

[00:26:14] It is a bro.

[00:26:16] We're going to start doing that.

[00:26:17] That's the thing.

[00:26:18] I need to build like a wall across here.

[00:26:22] Oh, I couldn't let that go.

[00:26:25] Love all of it.

[00:26:27] I don't know what was better than that on Billy's face.

[00:26:30] Right?

[00:26:31] I was like, oh my God.

[00:26:34] This is the best podcast ever.

[00:26:46] Run past the door.

[00:26:49] God, so I'm not blocking you.

[00:26:50] You're all right.

[00:26:58] It's honestly, I, I, I want to come back on this podcast every week.

[00:27:03] Ah, seriously.

[00:27:04] Seriously.

[00:27:05] You're going to exchange some good stories.

[00:27:07] Oh, this is.

[00:27:08] Now, can you shut that door for me?

[00:27:11] Oh, Jesus.

[00:27:12] Right.

[00:27:14] Oh my goodness.

[00:27:16] Honest to God.

[00:27:17] I knew.

[00:27:18] I just knew.

[00:27:19] I thought this is too good to be true.

[00:27:21] We're 55 minutes down and there's been nothing.

[00:27:24] But no.

[00:27:27] I didn't even hear him.

[00:27:29] I just saw her on the camera.

[00:27:31] It was the best.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:35] Is there a little child behind me?

[00:27:38] He's lurking in the shadows.

[00:27:41] Honest to God.

[00:27:42] I don't even remember what the hell we were talking about, guys.

[00:27:46] Sorry.

[00:27:50] I do apologize.

[00:27:51] No, no apologies necessary.

[00:27:53] At all.

[00:27:54] That was the funniest thing.

[00:27:57] All right.

[00:27:58] All right.

[00:27:59] So, so I'll get us back on track.

[00:28:00] So zombie reported diminishing returns.

[00:28:04] Gordon Green.

[00:28:05] How did you guys feel about the David Gordon Green ones?

[00:28:08] Those last three we got.

[00:28:10] I don't know.

[00:28:12] I have very mixed feelings on them because.

[00:28:15] Right.

[00:28:15] There are flashes of something there.

[00:28:18] Yeah.

[00:28:20] I don't know.

[00:28:20] I don't like the idea that he's like 60 odd years old and he still has like superhuman

[00:28:25] strength and stuff.

[00:28:26] And it's just like.

[00:28:29] Yeah.

[00:28:30] It was the same like the fourth and the fifth one, wasn't it?

[00:28:31] The whole like there was a bit of like a supernatural element to him and stuff like

[00:28:35] this.

[00:28:35] And it's just.

[00:28:36] I don't know.

[00:28:36] I kind of liked it when he was just a lunatic who killed his sister.

[00:28:39] Same.

[00:28:40] Exactly.

[00:28:40] Same.

[00:28:41] There's something interesting about a town that's ruined because of this one thing that

[00:28:45] happened and that like, it's kind of like a poisoned or cursed, you know?

[00:28:51] Like it's kind of like a home for sadness and for like dread.

[00:28:56] There's something interesting there.

[00:28:57] They just didn't, you know, they didn't really do anything with it.

[00:29:00] You know?

[00:29:00] No.

[00:29:01] Not really.

[00:29:02] Yeah.

[00:29:03] Yeah.

[00:29:03] It didn't stick to the blueprint.

[00:29:04] Yes.

[00:29:05] Yeah.

[00:29:05] True.

[00:29:05] Everyone tried being a little too creative and sometimes it doesn't work.

[00:29:10] Too many hands in the pot, you know, spoils the soup type of a thing.

[00:29:13] That's what I think happened here.

[00:29:15] Unfortunately.

[00:29:16] I thought that, you know, like Michael Myers, he never truly dies.

[00:29:21] I thought that we'd get a good bit of time before a studio got involved with anything Halloween

[00:29:28] related.

[00:29:29] But they've already started talking about, I think, a series that they're trying to make

[00:29:35] some sort of a series out of it now.

[00:29:37] I know.

[00:29:37] Fucks.

[00:29:39] This is the worst thing.

[00:29:40] Like everything's being turned into series now and it's, it's, I don't, I have nothing.

[00:29:45] I enjoy a series, but it's just, it's everything.

[00:29:48] Yeah.

[00:29:48] Not everything needs it anymore.

[00:29:50] Yeah.

[00:29:51] Yeah.

[00:29:51] Yeah.

[00:29:51] Stick to a movie because you just, when you drag it out too much, it makes it kind of

[00:29:56] hard to watch because it is just dragged out across the span of however many episodes

[00:30:00] so that they can make as much money off it as they can.

[00:30:02] Whereas you can make one masterpiece out of the story.

[00:30:07] It was like the Scream series, wasn't it?

[00:30:08] That was, I didn't enjoy that at all.

[00:30:12] The F.

[00:30:12] No, I didn't even watch that.

[00:30:14] Oh wait, you mean the TV series?

[00:30:15] I didn't watch it either.

[00:30:16] No.

[00:30:16] No.

[00:30:17] Oh, I didn't watch that at all.

[00:30:18] I wouldn't waste your time.

[00:30:20] I did.

[00:30:20] Yeah.

[00:30:21] That's what, that's what I was told by a lot of people.

[00:30:24] Like don't even bother.

[00:30:25] And I don't know, by the time we got to, cause I'm a little weird with Scream.

[00:30:31] Like when it first came out, I thought it was brilliant.

[00:30:33] I loved it.

[00:30:34] Um, the second one, it kinda, it was definitely like a couple of notches down, but it was

[00:30:40] still the fun.

[00:30:41] By the third one, I'm like, I'm done.

[00:30:44] I, I, I didn't like the twist.

[00:30:46] I didn't like the kills were kind of like, eh.

[00:30:49] Um, and then, and that's when I really, really fell off of it.

[00:30:53] So any, any kind of reboot be after that, you know, even like part five or four or whatever,

[00:31:00] whatever, whatever, like the read the reboot movies or whatever.

[00:31:02] Everyone's like, Oh, that one is so good.

[00:31:04] Like the fifth one is so good.

[00:31:05] And I'm like, don't care.

[00:31:09] You know, one day I'll have to watch it.

[00:31:11] I'm sure.

[00:31:11] But it's, I don't know, compared to like other things that's out.

[00:31:15] Um, I just never got to it.

[00:31:16] I don't know.

[00:31:17] Well, I'm, I, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but I cannot wait until we talk

[00:31:21] about our favorite horror movies of the last five years.

[00:31:24] Cause it's going to be interesting to see what we all have to say about that.

[00:31:27] Is there going to be any established like intellectual property?

[00:31:30] Is there going to be anything like that?

[00:31:32] Any franchise or is it all going to be, you know, unique, you know, original movies?

[00:31:39] So again, we're not, we're not there yet, but I can't wait for it.

[00:31:41] You're jumping two subjects ahead.

[00:31:43] I know.

[00:31:44] Don't get, don't, come on.

[00:31:45] I have a list, Sean.

[00:31:46] I'm very organized.

[00:31:48] Okay.

[00:31:50] My partner is very organized.

[00:31:53] It is true.

[00:31:56] I think someone is because we both are.

[00:32:06] That's true.

[00:32:08] All right.

[00:32:08] So I want to, want to go to the next one.

[00:32:10] I think it's what makes a good horror movie.

[00:32:12] Yes.

[00:32:13] All right.

[00:32:14] So mostly we just want your guys opinion on this one.

[00:32:18] Yeah.

[00:32:19] Originality.

[00:32:20] Oh, sorry.

[00:32:21] Sorry, Shannon.

[00:32:21] You go.

[00:32:22] No, no, no, no.

[00:32:23] It's fine.

[00:32:23] Like it's, it's, it's, cause I literally picked like, so I picked like four different

[00:32:27] words, um, on what I think.

[00:32:29] And I actually have like examples that go with all of them.

[00:32:32] Um, just to kind of give a better insight, I guess, on like where my mind is at when I

[00:32:37] mentioned this.

[00:32:38] So the first one I came up with is, sorry, is like the use of, uh, lighting and shadows.

[00:32:44] Um, and my, uh, my example for that is hereditary.

[00:32:48] Oh yeah.

[00:32:49] If you guys saw hereditary, it was not really jump scares there.

[00:32:54] It was, you know, like all of a sudden she turns the lights off and like, you just see

[00:32:58] a person, but you're not sure, but you think you do, but you're not sure.

[00:33:03] Like, so things like that, um, you know, the part where the brother sees his sister,

[00:33:08] like just sees her and then all of a sudden her head falls off and then a ball like rolls

[00:33:13] you know, into like the middle of the floor.

[00:33:16] So like things like that, um, uh, you know, I don't, I think shadows and lighting are very

[00:33:21] important.

[00:33:22] Um, or even too.

[00:33:24] And I, I think it was, uh, no, sorry.

[00:33:27] I think it was in, ah, shit.

[00:33:29] I think it's Friday the 13th part four or five.

[00:33:33] Uh, but there's a scene where, uh, the guy goes into the kitchen, you get like a midnight

[00:33:37] snack and like the thunder, uh, the, the, the lightning flashes and you can just see Jason

[00:33:42] in the corner.

[00:33:44] So, so things like that basically is what I mean.

[00:33:47] Yeah.

[00:33:47] I get that.

[00:33:47] Yeah.

[00:33:49] That's what I was hoping.

[00:33:50] I was hoping for lightning with a pole.

[00:33:52] Yes.

[00:33:56] So I guess it was a clear night, nice night.

[00:34:00] It was unfortunately.

[00:34:01] Yes.

[00:34:02] So let me get this straight.

[00:34:04] Billy wanted lightning to hit his pole is all I'm hearing.

[00:34:13] That was part six.

[00:34:21] Maybe you didn't.

[00:34:22] That's why Jaden could run so fast then.

[00:34:30] Oh my goodness gracious.

[00:34:33] Shannon's right though.

[00:34:34] Tech tech technique is so important.

[00:34:36] It's just so important.

[00:34:37] We get, uh, you know, I have this weird thing with the, you know, the horror movies that

[00:34:41] we talk about a lot, a lot are from the eighties and there was a lot of different, you

[00:34:46] know, it's, it's kind of like the, the golden age of, of practical effects.

[00:34:50] You know, the beginning, you know, there was some great stuff that was happening in the seventies.

[00:34:54] You know, we all know the story with Jaws and the shark and it really didn't work that

[00:34:56] great.

[00:34:57] That's why, you know, he relied on a lot of, of, uh, you know, character, you know, build

[00:35:02] it with, with the characters reactions to, you know, the lack of shark.

[00:35:07] But as we progress, I mean, you get alien is what 79 and, and, and look at the practical

[00:35:14] effects there.

[00:35:15] And then you get some of the stuff that's happening with American werewolf and fright

[00:35:18] night and the blob remake in 88.

[00:35:20] I mean, they're just the practical effect work is so unbelievable that even though when

[00:35:26] it looks a little bit janky, I think the best I, Shannon and I talk about this all the time.

[00:35:30] One of the best things I ever heard was that practical effects look fake, but feel real

[00:35:36] and CGI looks real, but feels fake.

[00:35:39] Feels fake.

[00:35:40] You know, and it's spot on.

[00:35:42] It's absolutely spot on.

[00:35:44] So a lot of the, a lot of the technique that you're talking about, the light and shadows

[00:35:48] and, and even then to take that in a different direction.

[00:35:52] Look what Ari Aster does in, uh, in Midsommar.

[00:35:55] That whole fucking movie is a blinding daylight and it's terrifying, you know, but it's the

[00:36:01] technique that he's using.

[00:36:03] So, yeah, I mean, the craftsmanship is, is really, really great.

[00:36:06] I don't know if you guys have it in England yet.

[00:36:08] You may.

[00:36:09] There's a movie that Shannon and I were just talking about.

[00:36:11] We did a, we did our shortcuts episode where we talk about like horror for the week

[00:36:15] and there's a movie that's out now called The Substance with Demi Moore and, uh, and Margaret

[00:36:22] Qualley.

[00:36:23] And the style and technique in this movie, it might not be for everyone, but the, you guys

[00:36:30] have to go see it just to see what's on the screen because it's like, it's in your face.

[00:36:35] It's so highly stylized, but not for the, just the sake of like, Hey, look at the cool

[00:36:39] stuff I can do.

[00:36:40] Like it adds to, it's that part of the movie and it adds to it and it's a, it's a, it's

[00:36:45] too long.

[00:36:46] It's two hours and 20 minutes.

[00:36:47] I mean, my one gripe about the movie is that the third act really doesn't fully land and

[00:36:51] it's easily a half hour too long, but man, like what you get in that theater seat, you're

[00:36:58] just like, fuck.

[00:36:59] Fuck.

[00:37:00] And, and when you get movies like that these days, it's refreshing, you know?

[00:37:06] I mean, you're like, all right.

[00:37:07] Yeah.

[00:37:08] Someone's really taking us in a new direction here.

[00:37:10] And, and, and that can be, that could definitely be refreshing.

[00:37:14] Yeah.

[00:37:15] Like for midsummer was going to be one of my examples actually.

[00:37:18] It's like another word I had was, uh, was angles because midsummer, like also besides being

[00:37:23] in broad daylight, like it was a lot of, like a lot of pan out shots.

[00:37:27] Right.

[00:37:28] So like you had a lot of the movies in the background, but everything you needed to know

[00:37:33] of what was going to happen was actually right there.

[00:37:36] Like, you know, they use art, they use the things that going on in the background.

[00:37:40] Um, another example too, was, uh, the invisible man where like, she's like, right.

[00:37:46] There's so many shots where he's like, it's like far away, but it's a symbolized that he

[00:37:52] could be there.

[00:37:53] It could be not right.

[00:37:54] Like he's actually in the room, but you don't know that for sure, but we kind of do, but

[00:37:59] we don't like it just, so angles I think is a, is another important thing.

[00:38:03] Sorry.

[00:38:04] My voice is starting to go.

[00:38:05] By the way, have you guys seen the original invisible man from the thirties, the universal

[00:38:09] invisible man?

[00:38:10] I have.

[00:38:11] That movie.

[00:38:12] I have no movie is so fucked up.

[00:38:16] Claude, Claude Ray.

[00:38:18] You have to watch it.

[00:38:19] It is almost like a, a dark comedy.

[00:38:22] Claude Raynes just goes around and he basically, his line readings are like, I'm going to murder

[00:38:29] and rape you and kill your dog.

[00:38:32] And you're like, what the fuck is going on here?

[00:38:36] And then it is, you have to see this movie.

[00:38:42] I mean, it has to be pre-code Hollywood because some of the wacky, wacky shit, because it escaped

[00:38:50] me.

[00:38:50] Even though at the beginning of this episode, I'm like, I'm a universal horror movie lover.

[00:38:54] I had never seen this movie until two months ago.

[00:38:58] And I'm like, this is absolutely insane.

[00:39:03] It's insane.

[00:39:04] So it's waiting there for you, but check it out.

[00:39:06] But yeah, the, uh, the new invisible man was one of my favorite.

[00:39:09] Uh, God damn it.

[00:39:10] Maybe I can add that to the list.

[00:39:11] It's probably on your list.

[00:39:12] Isn't it?

[00:39:13] It is on my list.

[00:39:15] All right.

[00:39:15] I won't, I won't add it, but that, God damn it.

[00:39:17] Now I'm mad at you.

[00:39:18] Cause that movie was really good.

[00:39:21] What about you guys?

[00:39:21] What do you think?

[00:39:23] There's a quick question.

[00:39:24] And with the invisible man, the new one, the scene where, where she doesn't know if

[00:39:28] he's there and then she throws the paint on him.

[00:39:30] Are we counting that as a jump scare?

[00:39:32] Because I did jump.

[00:39:33] Hell yeah.

[00:39:34] I totally jumped.

[00:39:35] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:39:36] Fuck.

[00:39:37] I absolutely jumped at that part.

[00:39:40] Yeah.

[00:39:41] Oh.

[00:39:41] Yeah.

[00:39:42] It is a jump scare.

[00:39:43] Of course it is.

[00:39:43] Yeah.

[00:39:43] But that's a jump scare used, right?

[00:39:45] Yeah.

[00:39:47] Yeah.

[00:39:47] Yeah.

[00:39:47] It's done very clever.

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:49] Like it wasn't like popping out around the corner or whatever.

[00:39:52] It's because you shouldn't expect it because she's there with a paint in her hand.

[00:39:56] He's an invisible man.

[00:39:57] We should know what's going to happen.

[00:39:58] He shouldn't know what's going to happen.

[00:40:00] Right?

[00:40:00] Like he's like, she's not going to do it.

[00:40:03] Cause the buildup wasn't overdone.

[00:40:05] That was why.

[00:40:05] Yeah.

[00:40:06] It was, no, it was really good.

[00:40:08] My, uh, my yardstick for whether or not a horror movie is really great.

[00:40:12] Cause my wife does not like horror is if I turn to her, cause I make her, I basically

[00:40:16] make her see everything.

[00:40:18] She can't stand me for it, but I'll turn to her when the movie's over and she'll go, that

[00:40:22] was really good.

[00:40:23] That's what I know.

[00:40:24] It was a successful horror movie.

[00:40:25] Cause if you can get Jen, you did a good job.

[00:40:29] Nice.

[00:40:30] Mine's when I won't go to the toilet by myself.

[00:40:32] Same.

[00:40:32] Oh yeah.

[00:40:35] Yeah.

[00:40:35] Same.

[00:40:37] Yep.

[00:40:37] Yep.

[00:40:37] Yep.

[00:40:38] Yep.

[00:40:38] Yep.

[00:40:38] Or anywhere to bed.

[00:40:39] Yeah.

[00:40:40] For me, I don't know.

[00:40:41] I don't know what Liam's answer is going to be on this one, but for me, what makes a good

[00:40:44] horror movie, another important thing for me is character development.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:49] I, I, I know it's not so much, a lot of people say it's not so much a big thing for horrors

[00:40:55] and things because everybody kind of dies in a sense.

[00:40:58] I disagree with that though.

[00:40:59] Yeah.

[00:41:00] Yeah.

[00:41:00] I think it's a massive thing because you, you build a relationship with that character and

[00:41:05] that tends to build, you just feel more emotionally connected.

[00:41:07] It puts you in that same sort of situation.

[00:41:08] Billy, you're talking about what makes a good horror movie into a great horror movie, character

[00:41:12] development.

[00:41:13] That makes a great horror movie, you know?

[00:41:15] Cause then if you do care for the characters, then it hurts.

[00:41:17] When they die.

[00:41:19] Yeah.

[00:41:20] You know, you don't have that when they get killed and you celebrate.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:26] Joffrey, Game of Thrones.

[00:41:27] Yeah.

[00:41:28] Oh God.

[00:41:29] Yeah.

[00:41:30] Through a party.

[00:41:31] No one ever lied.

[00:41:33] Well, or like, well, like the girl that everybody immediately hates, like the bitch and they're

[00:41:38] like, oh, I can't wait to see you die.

[00:41:41] Yeah.

[00:41:42] And then she does it.

[00:41:43] Ah, fuck you.

[00:41:44] Yeah.

[00:41:46] I wish I was the one holding the knife.

[00:41:48] You know?

[00:41:53] High school might've been a little traumatizing for me.

[00:41:57] I'm starting to worry about myself as your partner.

[00:42:01] You're not mean to me.

[00:42:02] You're fine.

[00:42:03] I am.

[00:42:05] Another, another fun one I like though, is kind of a blend of the same, is humor and gore.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:11] Yeah.

[00:42:11] So, you know, like obviously we were just talking about 20 years now, Shaun of the Dead.

[00:42:17] It's hilarious.

[00:42:20] Absolutely hilarious.

[00:42:21] But there was actually a serious movie as well.

[00:42:24] Like enveloped in the humor and obviously it's a zombie flick.

[00:42:28] So there was gore involved.

[00:42:30] Like that's, it's such a brilliant, brilliant film.

[00:42:32] It was done correctly, wasn't it?

[00:42:34] Oh yeah.

[00:42:34] To your point, the character development, the, the relationship between him and his mom.

[00:42:40] Yes.

[00:42:40] I was so upset when his mom passed away, you know?

[00:42:45] And then she comes back and he had to shoot her.

[00:42:47] Like you, like you felt for him too.

[00:42:49] But then the very next thing is that they're, that they're all trying to hit the zombies to queen.

[00:42:56] Like, yeah.

[00:42:59] And you're like, the best scene in the film.

[00:43:01] There you are.

[00:43:02] And you're like, you go again in time.

[00:43:05] It's just, oh, what a brilliant film.

[00:43:07] But things like that too.

[00:43:08] And like Piranha, like when Piranha 3D came out.

[00:43:11] I don't know if you got to experience that in 3D.

[00:43:14] Oh, it was fucking brilliant.

[00:43:16] It was, and I remember, I remember like we got, me and my husband, we got made fun of for going to see that movie.

[00:43:22] And we're like, I didn't, I, I didn't pay to watch like an Oscar nominating winning movie.

[00:43:28] I went there to see a lot of people dying in 3D.

[00:43:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:43:32] And it's exactly what I got.

[00:43:34] And it was fucking great.

[00:43:36] It was, it was just fun.

[00:43:37] Again, it was gory and it was, it was hilarious.

[00:43:41] So movies that know what they are, I would say all in all, whether it's, uh, you know, more scary, supernatural, uh, fun and gore.

[00:43:51] Or, you know, when, when they know what they are, that's what makes it a good horror movie too.

[00:43:56] You know, cause you, you need a little serious, you need a little fun.

[00:43:59] Um, and then just straight up movies that are absolute bat shit crazy, but you love them for it.

[00:44:05] Like they don't take anything seriously.

[00:44:06] Those, those can be fun too, if they're done well.

[00:44:10] Yeah.

[00:44:11] Can we all agree that the fact that Shaun of the Dead is 20 years old is a little bit depressing?

[00:44:16] Yes.

[00:44:17] Yes, we can.

[00:44:18] I, so my, so my segment on shortcuts is anniversaries.

[00:44:22] So there's definitely people that are like, that shit is 40 years old now?

[00:44:26] Like what the fuck?

[00:44:28] So then I've definitely gotten yelled at throughout the years of doing that.

[00:44:32] Shannon will bring up movies and be like, this, this movie is 40 years old.

[00:44:36] And I'm like, I didn't even have baby teeth any longer when this movie came out.

[00:44:40] Holy fuck.

[00:44:41] How old am I?

[00:44:42] You know?

[00:44:45] Scary.

[00:44:46] Time is scary.

[00:44:47] It really, really is.

[00:44:48] 20 years old for Shaun of the Dead.

[00:44:49] That does bum me out.

[00:44:51] If you had said like, if you said 10, I'd be like, okay.

[00:44:55] But 20, god damn.

[00:44:58] Yeah.

[00:44:59] Yeah.

[00:45:00] I definitely saw that in the theaters.

[00:45:01] Guys, can I, can I say something about the topic we were on?

[00:45:04] And I actually do remember, I want to say something before we wrap it up.

[00:45:07] I think one thing that we kind of ignore, cause it's not like story character or all

[00:45:11] that stuff.

[00:45:12] It's the fucking studios.

[00:45:14] Like we were just talking about Shaun of the Dead.

[00:45:17] If Shaun of the Dead were made in America, the mother would have lived.

[00:45:21] Yeah.

[00:45:21] Uh, the soundtrack would have been today's pop hits.

[00:45:24] You know, it would have not, it probably wouldn't have had, uh, nearly as much gore,

[00:45:29] you know, like studio involvement.

[00:45:31] If they, if they have the confidence to believe in their filmmakers, leave them alone.

[00:45:35] Just leave them alone.

[00:45:36] You know, we're starting to see that, um, here a little bit in the States.

[00:45:42] We've got, we've, but only with independent movies, not with the big studio stuff.

[00:45:47] Most of this big studio stuff.

[00:45:49] I mean, you guys know it's, you know, we're getting smile and smile too.

[00:45:52] Now smile is an interesting thing though.

[00:45:53] Cause smile was its own original movie and it was small and it made an impact and it

[00:45:59] made money and it was interesting, you know?

[00:46:02] And now of course, what did the studios do?

[00:46:04] Well, let's get a bigger budget sequel.

[00:46:06] You know, let's, let's crank this out immediately.

[00:46:09] And I don't want to, I don't want to put the boost to it cause I haven't seen one second

[00:46:12] of the movie.

[00:46:13] It could be great, but like, I just wish there was less studio involvement for our horror movies,

[00:46:19] less notes and less interference.

[00:46:21] Cause I think that's when you get a Shaun of the Dead, you know, you get something that's

[00:46:26] truly special and then becomes classic.

[00:46:28] Yeah, for sure.

[00:46:30] Yeah, definitely.

[00:46:31] Definitely.

[00:46:32] I think my, my, my favorite thing, what makes, what makes a good horror movie for me, it's

[00:46:36] well, to be honest, it's probably quite bland, but like the sound.

[00:46:40] No, it's not bland at all.

[00:46:42] No, not at all.

[00:46:43] Like just best, best example is like on Nightmare on Elm Street when Freddie, you know, like

[00:46:47] scratches his claws against the wall and stuff or Halloween and Friday the 13th, like

[00:46:52] the scars for them.

[00:46:54] To me, that just nicks it.

[00:46:56] I think sound is probably one of the most, I mean, Shannon, to your point, uh, you know,

[00:47:00] the visuals, light and shadow, but Liam sound, are you kidding me?

[00:47:04] Yeah.

[00:47:04] Turn, turn the sound off of any horror movie.

[00:47:06] It's it, it scares are gone.

[00:47:08] You know, scares are gone immediately.

[00:47:10] It's that sound.

[00:47:12] Holy shit.

[00:47:12] Yeah.

[00:47:13] You nailed it.

[00:47:14] That's a good one.

[00:47:15] Yeah.

[00:47:15] I think even Carpenter like mentioned that, like, uh, when they were making the original

[00:47:19] Halloween, like the, like a lot of people like weren't really like too sure, like, you know,

[00:47:24] like, oh, that's not really that scary.

[00:47:26] Soon as he added those sounds in it, like, like even like when, uh, the babysitter was

[00:47:30] crossing the street with the, the young girl.

[00:47:33] Right.

[00:47:33] And, and Michael just stands up.

[00:47:35] If he just stood up, like, it's like, it's not that scary, but he added like that, like,

[00:47:40] I don't know what kind of noise you would call it.

[00:47:42] Yeah.

[00:47:42] Yeah.

[00:47:42] But like it, uh, not a scratching, but like that pew, like it gets me every single time.

[00:47:48] And it's, you know, what I love about Carpenter, he's never repeated that in every movie he

[00:47:54] made.

[00:47:55] And I love John Carpenter, but he, you have that pew in every goddamn movie.

[00:48:01] You kind of wait for it now, you know?

[00:48:04] Yeah.

[00:48:04] Yeah.

[00:48:06] That's his composing, uh, his shtick.

[00:48:09] Yeah.

[00:48:10] It works.

[00:48:11] Yeah, it does.

[00:48:13] Absolutely.

[00:48:14] Yeah.

[00:48:18] Right.

[00:48:18] Should we move on to our next part then?

[00:48:20] So we've got their best classic horror movies.

[00:48:23] Oh, this one I had, I got it.

[00:48:25] I still need time.

[00:48:26] Somebody go first.

[00:48:27] Cause this one hurt me.

[00:48:28] Thanks a lot, guys.

[00:48:29] This one actually hurt me.

[00:48:33] How do you, how do you choose just one?

[00:48:37] Yeah.

[00:48:37] Yeah.

[00:48:37] It's tricky.

[00:48:38] I think for me, it has to be the, the exorcist.

[00:48:42] Now it's not the one that scared me the most, but really in terms of what a horror movie

[00:48:48] did for its time.

[00:48:49] Yeah.

[00:48:49] For me, it was always the grudge.

[00:48:50] That was always the scariest.

[00:48:52] Oh, well, I could see that.

[00:48:53] Yeah.

[00:48:54] Okay.

[00:48:54] Yeah.

[00:48:55] I was very young when I watched that as well.

[00:48:56] But anyway, the exorcist for me, it was just, I remember the first time I was still young

[00:49:00] when I seen the exorcist, but just that head spin that, that killed me.

[00:49:06] And then the, the, the crawling, the upside down crawling down the stairs.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:09] Nope.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:10] Katie.

[00:49:11] Yeah.

[00:49:12] That's how you know it's good.

[00:49:15] And it was filmed like, like, like it was filmed in such a style that it looked like

[00:49:20] you were taking, like you were almost intruding on someone's life.

[00:49:24] It was so realistic, you know?

[00:49:26] Yeah.

[00:49:26] Yeah.

[00:49:27] For its time, it was way ahead of its time as well.

[00:49:29] Oh God.

[00:49:29] Yeah.

[00:49:30] That's a good one.

[00:49:31] All right.

[00:49:31] Liam, what about you?

[00:49:33] It has to be psycho, doesn't it?

[00:49:36] Yeah.

[00:49:36] Love it.

[00:49:38] Love it.

[00:49:39] Love it.

[00:49:39] It was not that remake.

[00:49:41] We stay clear of that thing.

[00:49:43] Yeah.

[00:49:45] We do not need Vince Vaughn wanking in a wardrobe.

[00:49:48] What remake?

[00:49:52] Now, Liam, I'll challenge you.

[00:49:56] I will take Vince Vaughn wanking in a wardrobe, just not in Psycho.

[00:50:04] That's a complete, put him in another movie.

[00:50:06] That's perfectly fine.

[00:50:08] What do you have, Shannon?

[00:50:11] So, I mean, I'm always going to go back to The Exorcist.

[00:50:14] I feel like I've told the story how I watched it a few times.

[00:50:17] Yeah.

[00:50:18] Because, I know, Billy, you said you were really young when you saw it.

[00:50:22] I was about 11 years old.

[00:50:25] How old were you, Billy?

[00:50:26] Yeah.

[00:50:27] I was, yeah, 10 or 11.

[00:50:28] Yeah.

[00:50:29] Almost a match, yeah.

[00:50:30] Now, I don't know what, like, did you have a preparation for it?

[00:50:35] No.

[00:50:35] Yeah.

[00:50:36] Absolutely not.

[00:50:36] Me neither.

[00:50:37] So, my father, because I was already into the Slashers at that point.

[00:50:45] I saw all the Freddies, the Michaels, Jasons, Sleepaway Camps, you know, and whatever.

[00:50:52] Mostly Slasher flicks is what I saw.

[00:50:55] Maybe the Amityville Horror House at some point.

[00:50:57] But either way, you know, I'm thinking, like, I saw all these movies.

[00:51:01] And it was, like, a girl's slumber party.

[00:51:04] So, I asked my dad for advice.

[00:51:05] I'm, like, dad, we need a good scary movie.

[00:51:08] And I've seen them all, you know, as an 11-year-old.

[00:51:12] And that's all he said.

[00:51:13] He's, like, I got a great one for you.

[00:51:15] And then he suggested that one.

[00:51:18] And he only told me, like, his experience.

[00:51:21] Because he ended up seeing it by himself.

[00:51:24] All of his friends went and saw the matinee.

[00:51:26] And he had to work.

[00:51:28] So, he went and saw it.

[00:51:30] Scared the shit out of him.

[00:51:31] And he, you know, ran out the theater.

[00:51:33] And he told me he slept with the lights on for a month.

[00:51:37] Wow.

[00:51:38] And that's all I knew.

[00:51:41] I was like, yeah, really?

[00:51:43] It scared my dad, you know?

[00:51:46] And I was not ready for that shit at all.

[00:51:50] But when they re-released it, I think 20 or 25 years, that's when they had her crawling down the stairs.

[00:51:59] I don't think they had that in the original version.

[00:52:02] And that came out in theaters around my father's birthday.

[00:52:07] So, I'm like, dad, we got to go see The Exorcist for your birthday.

[00:52:11] Okay.

[00:52:12] So, now they included that scene amongst other scenes.

[00:52:15] I've never seen the look of fear in my father's face like that ever again.

[00:52:19] Oh, it was horrific.

[00:52:20] Yeah.

[00:52:21] Another one I'm going to say, as well as The Ring.

[00:52:23] Oh, okay.

[00:52:24] Okay.

[00:52:25] I mean, it was a good film.

[00:52:26] But it was just, again, I was very young when I first seen it.

[00:52:29] Fair enough.

[00:52:30] And coming out the well part, just, yeah.

[00:52:33] Billy, we actually just recorded an episode with a fantastic horror author.

[00:52:39] And actually, just an incredibly nice guy.

[00:52:41] This guy, Nat Cassidy.

[00:52:42] So, his favorite movie is The Ring.

[00:52:45] It affected him.

[00:52:46] I mean, I saw it as an adult.

[00:52:47] And he was actually, he was rehearsing a play at the time.

[00:52:52] It affected him so badly that he thought, he bought into the cursed premise.

[00:52:58] And he's like, am I now cursed because do I have seven dates?

[00:53:03] And he said, like, you know, he was at rehearsals for the play.

[00:53:06] And on the seventh day, he was pins and needles the entire day.

[00:53:09] Because he's like, I know how ridiculous this is.

[00:53:12] That this is a made up movie.

[00:53:13] But it affected me so badly that I, there's something in the back of my head that says,

[00:53:18] there's a chance I might die today.

[00:53:20] I mean, that's, that is a movie that is landing for you.

[00:53:25] You know?

[00:53:25] Definitely.

[00:53:26] For me, I mean, it doesn't happen now.

[00:53:28] Smart TVs and flat screens and stuff.

[00:53:30] But in the old school TVs, you probably know that you get the white noise.

[00:53:34] Yeah.

[00:53:34] You go on to a channel and there's white noise.

[00:53:36] Every time there was white noise.

[00:53:38] Nope.

[00:53:38] That's it.

[00:53:39] I'm seeing The Ring Girl come straight out of there.

[00:53:42] That's, oh yeah.

[00:53:43] That's where it got me for life.

[00:53:44] Have I ever seen white noises?

[00:53:46] What's that?

[00:53:48] Billy, I'm not going to lie.

[00:53:49] I kind of miss white noise.

[00:53:51] You know?

[00:53:52] With our technology these days, you know, when I was a kid, if you fell asleep and the TV

[00:53:58] was still on, when you woke up at three, four in the morning and it'd just be white noise

[00:54:01] and that static.

[00:54:03] There's something terrifying and comforting about it, but I do miss it.

[00:54:06] Yes.

[00:54:07] No, I agree on that one.

[00:54:08] I know what you mean.

[00:54:10] All right.

[00:54:10] So it ruined The Ring for me though.

[00:54:13] What did they?

[00:54:14] The scary movie films.

[00:54:16] They ruined The Ring for me.

[00:54:19] I can't watch it anymore.

[00:54:20] I can't watch The Ring anymore and be scared because all I can hear is, Cindy, this bitch

[00:54:24] is messing up my floor.

[00:54:26] Yeah.

[00:54:28] And she starts boxing her.

[00:54:29] Exactly.

[00:54:31] Also, this will say a lot about me as well.

[00:54:34] Like The Exorcist.

[00:54:35] When I first saw the, you know, coming down the stairs scene, I found that hilarious.

[00:54:39] Oh, did you?

[00:54:41] I just say a lot about me.

[00:54:42] It might just be the way that it ends.

[00:54:45] The whole like, eh, noise.

[00:54:47] Yeah.

[00:54:47] That makes it funny.

[00:54:49] If she didn't do that, it probably would be quite weird.

[00:54:51] I mean, the worst bit on The Exorcist is when the mom goes into the bedroom and she's

[00:54:56] just going backwards and forwards on the bed.

[00:54:58] That was the bit that got me with that.

[00:55:01] Okay.

[00:55:02] Okay.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:03] Here's why horror, here's why horror is great.

[00:55:06] Because I know you guys have friends, family that aren't into horror.

[00:55:10] And then you talk about it and you're like, oh yeah, this movie fucked me up so badly.

[00:55:15] And they're like, oh, you must hate it.

[00:55:17] And you're like, oh no, it's my favorite film.

[00:55:18] You know?

[00:55:19] Yeah.

[00:55:21] I watch it every year.

[00:55:23] People that aren't into horror, they cannot understand what it is about it that resonates

[00:55:30] with us.

[00:55:31] So again, all right, I got to pick one.

[00:55:33] I'm going to pick one.

[00:55:34] So mine's Jaws.

[00:55:35] You know?

[00:55:36] I saw this when I was six and I saw it in the movie theater.

[00:55:40] And when Ben Gardner's head pops out of the boat, the hole in the boat, I still, it's almost

[00:55:48] like it's a jump that never ended for me.

[00:55:52] Like in the multiverse, my little body is still jumping somewhere and it just goes on for infinity.

[00:55:58] You're just frozen.

[00:56:00] That was one of my first, not my first horror movie, but one of my first horror movies.

[00:56:05] Certainly one of the first horror movies I ever saw in the movie theater and my first jump

[00:56:08] scare.

[00:56:09] And like, it's just like, that's it.

[00:56:12] Like it imprinted on me so hard that I'm like, well, this, you know, like it or not, I am into

[00:56:17] horror now.

[00:56:18] And I probably should have run the complete other direction.

[00:56:22] And I'd be on a different podcast right now talking about rom-coms, you know, but it just,

[00:56:30] you know, it imprints on you and you're, and you're like, God damn it.

[00:56:34] Even though, you know, I think I may have messed myself and I'm terrified and I will not sleep

[00:56:41] or go in the ocean for years to come.

[00:56:43] I got to get more of this, you know?

[00:56:45] And then here we are on your incredible podcast talking about horror movies.

[00:56:49] It's crazy.

[00:56:50] It's crazy how it just completes the circle, you know?

[00:56:53] As long as you don't put those diarrhea pants in the dryer.

[00:56:57] Too late.

[00:57:00] Wait till Jen gets home.

[00:57:08] Yeah.

[00:57:09] I mean, you two pricks really hurt me this week with the, what's your classic movie?

[00:57:16] Because of course it's Jaws.

[00:57:17] It's always going to be Jaws.

[00:57:19] But I, you know, I want it so desperately to be something else because there's so many

[00:57:23] fantastic horror movies out there.

[00:57:25] But yeah, I got to be honest with you guys that it would be Jaws.

[00:57:29] I think, I think when it comes to like best classic, I think you kind of, you kind of just

[00:57:34] have to pick the one where, uh, like you, like it surprised you maybe for the first time.

[00:57:41] Like, like, you know, Sean, I know it's, it's, it's something you say a lot is it's, it's a high,

[00:57:46] it's either you run away from it or, and you talk about rom-coms and Hallmark movies,

[00:57:50] or we run to it and chase that high.

[00:57:53] You chase the high.

[00:57:54] Yeah.

[00:57:54] Because you're, because, because let's be honest, like you're never, I don't want to

[00:57:58] say never.

[00:57:59] I shouldn't say that because horror movies are getting pretty creative today.

[00:58:03] Um, but I still don't think it's going to affect you the way it did when you were too

[00:58:08] young to even understand what a horror movie was.

[00:58:11] Like, it's like, how could something this be this fucking scary?

[00:58:15] You know, uh, it's, you know, and then you get to the point where you see majority and,

[00:58:21] um, you know, and like you said, you compare them all and it's, it's just, I don't know.

[00:58:26] It's just, it's, it's fun.

[00:58:27] And it's, it's, uh, but yeah, it's a high I don't think you'll ever get ever again from

[00:58:31] when you're that young.

[00:58:33] So I think, yeah.

[00:58:34] Can I ask you three a question?

[00:58:35] I'm curious.

[00:58:36] Do you guys ever go back and watch a horror movie that scared the hell out of you as a kid

[00:58:40] and then you watch it as an adult and you're like, this movie's shit.

[00:58:44] Yeah.

[00:58:45] Yeah.

[00:58:45] Yeah.

[00:58:47] It doesn't happen a lot, but it definitely happens from time to time.

[00:58:50] And then I'm like, Oh boy, what was I thinking?

[00:58:52] And I'm like, Oh, that's right.

[00:58:53] I was five.

[00:58:54] Yeah.

[00:58:57] Like, wuss.

[00:59:00] Guilty.

[00:59:03] Oh, by the way, you two are learning in real time that my co-host is a bully.

[00:59:09] Sick.

[00:59:11] Billy, we're going to start a support group.

[00:59:14] I like it.

[00:59:15] I like it.

[00:59:17] Basically, it's just going to be us on camera drinking a lot, but it's still going to be

[00:59:21] a support group.

[00:59:21] Okay.

[00:59:23] Shits and pulls.

[00:59:24] Shits and pulls.

[00:59:25] I was trying to figure, I was trying to compare yours.

[00:59:28] I was trying to compare your stories.

[00:59:30] That's good.

[00:59:31] That's good.

[00:59:32] This is how you two just found out you're fired.

[00:59:34] Billy and I are starting shits and pulls podcast tomorrow.

[00:59:42] Oh my God.

[00:59:43] Liam, get us back on track.

[00:59:48] I was just going to say one last thing on mine with Psycho.

[00:59:52] I think the good thing with Psycho is the fact that it's black and white and people today

[00:59:56] can still watch it.

[00:59:57] Because a lot of, especially the younger generation, you'd say it's a black and white movie and they're

[01:00:03] not watching that.

[01:00:04] But they will still watch Psycho.

[01:00:06] It still works.

[01:00:07] That's a great point.

[01:00:09] Yeah.

[01:00:09] They'll still watch it, which says a lot.

[01:00:12] Yeah.

[01:00:13] It's still scary to me, I think.

[01:00:15] Especially when the, not the detective, the, well, yeah, I guess the detective.

[01:00:20] When he's like walking up the stairs and they have that downward shot.

[01:00:23] What a shot.

[01:00:25] It's an amazing shot.

[01:00:26] And it gets me every time when, you know, when she comes out of, and she just runs out

[01:00:32] of the room and pushes him right down the stairs.

[01:00:35] It gets, I'm like, here, here she is.

[01:00:37] Here she is.

[01:00:38] Like it gets me every single time.

[01:00:40] And to Liam's point, the score during that scene, you know?

[01:00:44] Oh yeah.

[01:00:44] I mean how it expands and you're just like, ah, you know, so good.

[01:00:49] Yeah.

[01:00:50] It's a beautiful package.

[01:00:51] For sure.

[01:00:52] The best part is the ending though, for me.

[01:00:57] Just the last bit.

[01:00:58] Just going in on his face and narrating and just the weird little smile and then it finishes

[01:01:03] and he's like, that was fucking weird.

[01:01:08] I remember the first time I watched it, that was literally my reaction.

[01:01:11] I was like, what the hell have I just watched?

[01:01:13] Yeah.

[01:01:14] Isn't that great when the credits come up and you're like, what just happened?

[01:01:18] And you have to kind of start to figure it out.

[01:01:20] Oh, I love that.

[01:01:22] Absolutely love that.

[01:01:24] That's another good point when you know it's a good movie as well.

[01:01:28] Yeah.

[01:01:28] Agreed.

[01:01:29] Absolutely.

[01:01:31] Right then.

[01:01:32] So next we have, so the best horror movies of the last five years.

[01:01:37] Yeah.

[01:01:37] I'm wondering.

[01:01:38] Now how do you guys want to do this?

[01:01:39] Do you want to go?

[01:01:40] I don't know.

[01:01:42] I don't think, has anyone got them in a particular order?

[01:01:45] Nah.

[01:01:45] I don't, no.

[01:01:46] I just throw them out.

[01:01:47] I think it's too hard to do that.

[01:01:49] I think it's hard.

[01:01:50] Yeah.

[01:01:50] There's not too many recent ones in the last five years anyway, that I've really sort

[01:01:55] of enjoyed compared to the older ones, but I'm one of those sort of classic guys.

[01:01:59] I like the originals.

[01:02:01] Apart from when it comes to Star Wars, Billy, yeah.

[01:02:04] I don't like the new ones.

[01:02:06] You do?

[01:02:08] I do not.

[01:02:10] You're the middle three then.

[01:02:13] Yeah, the prequels.

[01:02:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:02:15] They famously aren't the other ones that are shit.

[01:02:17] Yeah.

[01:02:18] No, the newest ones are the most.

[01:02:21] They're the worst.

[01:02:22] We're great enough topic, Liam.

[01:02:24] You did Rogue One?

[01:02:25] I loved Rogue One.

[01:02:27] Oh, Rogue One I loved.

[01:02:28] Yeah, Rogue One was good.

[01:02:29] Yeah, Rogue One was brilliant.

[01:02:30] We'll say that.

[01:02:31] Okay.

[01:02:31] I don't like Star Wars, so enough of this.

[01:02:36] It's like, fuck you, this is my podcast.

[01:02:37] I'm talking about Star Wars.

[01:02:41] He gets a reference in every episode, so that's enough for him.

[01:02:45] You brought it up!

[01:02:47] I know.

[01:02:48] It's kind of true, Liam.

[01:02:49] You did bring it up.

[01:02:52] All right, moving on.

[01:02:55] All right, so I mean, I wrote down six that I remember really liking when I kept looking

[01:03:00] up the movies that came out in the last five years.

[01:03:03] I could just kind of name them if you want.

[01:03:05] Yeah, yeah.

[01:03:06] Yeah.

[01:03:06] Okay, not in any particular order.

[01:03:08] I didn't think of it that way.

[01:03:09] I just kind of wrote them down.

[01:03:11] All right, so I came up with No One Will Save You.

[01:03:14] Oh, fuck.

[01:03:15] God damn it, your list is better than mine.

[01:03:18] Yes.

[01:03:19] I only got one.

[01:03:21] It's already better.

[01:03:22] We already mentioned Smile.

[01:03:26] When Evil Lurks.

[01:03:28] That just fucked me up in many different ways.

[01:03:33] This is my list.

[01:03:37] I'm going to have to go up with someone new real quick.

[01:03:40] I got three left.

[01:03:42] So, Totally Killer.

[01:03:45] Oh, that was fun.

[01:03:45] You guys saw that one?

[01:03:46] That was very fun.

[01:03:47] That's a fun slasher one.

[01:03:49] The Babysitter.

[01:03:51] Mmm.

[01:03:52] Another fun one.

[01:03:53] And then we talked about The Invisible Man already.

[01:03:57] Oh, fuck.

[01:03:57] Your list is good.

[01:03:58] That's my list of the best of the list.

[01:03:59] That's a good list, yeah.

[01:04:00] Five years.

[01:04:01] Bitch, your list is good.

[01:04:08] All right.

[01:04:08] I'm trying to scoundrel for new ones now.

[01:04:10] I know.

[01:04:11] I was going to say, did I read everybody's list?

[01:04:15] Billy, I'll buy you some time.

[01:04:16] I'll go next.

[01:04:17] I'll buy you some time.

[01:04:18] All right.

[01:04:19] So, my first one is Rise of Skywalker.

[01:04:24] I'm just fucking with your list.

[01:04:31] Liam's going to stop record right now.

[01:04:35] And that's how the episode ends.

[01:04:38] Never having this prick on again.

[01:04:42] My first one is Crawl.

[01:04:44] Alexander Ajax's Crawl.

[01:04:46] I love a creature feature.

[01:04:48] Good show.

[01:04:48] Our nature run amok.

[01:04:50] Love it.

[01:04:50] And I think that was done really great.

[01:04:53] Barbarian.

[01:04:55] Yes.

[01:04:55] With Barbarian.

[01:04:57] Oh, that movie scared the shit out of me.

[01:05:00] And Justin Long is so fun in that movie and funny, but you can't wait for him.

[01:05:06] I cannot wait for him to get his comeuppance.

[01:05:10] When Evil Lurks.

[01:05:11] Shannon, you said When Evil Lurks.

[01:05:13] Holy cow.

[01:05:14] So good.

[01:05:15] So, honorable mention.

[01:05:16] It was outside of the five-year window.

[01:05:18] Is Damien Ruggna's first one, Terrified?

[01:05:23] Mm-hmm.

[01:05:23] Adorados.

[01:05:24] If you guys haven't seen this movie, not Terrifier, not the clown movie, Terrified.

[01:05:30] If you guys haven't seen this movie, check it out.

[01:05:32] I'm warning you both right now, it's going to fuck you up.

[01:05:37] It is 100% going to fuck you up.

[01:05:41] Oh, shit.

[01:05:42] His House, which was on Netflix, really liked His House.

[01:05:45] I debated on putting that on my list, too.

[01:05:48] Yeah, that one landed for me pretty big.

[01:05:51] No, it was a great one.

[01:05:52] So wait, one, two, three.

[01:05:54] His House.

[01:05:54] Okay, and my last one is Oddity.

[01:05:56] I saw Oddity just a couple of months ago, and it was small film, but pitch perfect.

[01:06:04] It's almost like someone brought an Edgar Allan Toe movie.

[01:06:08] Edgar Allan Toe.

[01:06:09] Edgar Allan Toe.

[01:06:13] Words are hard.

[01:06:15] Words are so hard when your mouth is dumb.

[01:06:19] It's like someone brought an Edgar Allan Poe movie to life, and it's so good.

[01:06:27] Now I'm going to have to write a children's book called Edgar Allan Toe.

[01:06:30] Can you please?

[01:06:33] This is a missed opportunity here if you don't do something with this.

[01:06:37] I think I need to copyright that immediately.

[01:06:41] I think you should.

[01:06:43] All right, Liam, we're going to buy Billy more time.

[01:06:45] What do you have?

[01:06:47] Oh, I need some more myself, to be honest.

[01:06:49] Oh, shit.

[01:06:52] It's fine.

[01:06:53] One that I've got, which I don't know why I liked it.

[01:06:57] Well, Billy will know why I liked it, but I liked it.

[01:07:00] Was it this year?

[01:07:01] It came out this year.

[01:07:02] Immaculate.

[01:07:03] You should like it.

[01:07:04] It's a great fucking movie.

[01:07:06] Yeah.

[01:07:07] Oh, that's a nasty little film.

[01:07:11] Don't you, Billy?

[01:07:15] No, no.

[01:07:16] I love it, man.

[01:07:16] I love it for us.

[01:07:21] No, you have to.

[01:07:22] No, I will get to that.

[01:07:24] Shut up.

[01:07:26] There we go.

[01:07:29] I hate clowns, but I liked it.

[01:07:32] Same.

[01:07:33] The first one.

[01:07:34] The first installment.

[01:07:35] Yeah, I liked that a lot.

[01:07:38] Was that still within the last five years?

[01:07:39] Yeah.

[01:07:40] Believe it or not, yeah.

[01:07:41] Wow.

[01:07:41] Yeah, it was actually.

[01:07:43] Yeah.

[01:07:44] Yeah, that was.

[01:07:45] Hold on.

[01:07:46] I'm sure it was.

[01:07:48] Had to have been 2019, right before the pandemic, right?

[01:07:51] Yes.

[01:07:52] I'm pretty sure.

[01:08:00] 20...

[01:08:01] Oh, it's actually 2017.

[01:08:03] Is it?

[01:08:03] Oh, shit.

[01:08:04] Liam.

[01:08:05] You motherfucker.

[01:08:06] That's why I wasn't on my list.

[01:08:10] I must have been thinking of the second one then.

[01:08:12] But the kids were really great though.

[01:08:15] Yeah.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:17] I don't know.

[01:08:17] I liked it.

[01:08:19] That first one is so good.

[01:08:22] It's so good.

[01:08:24] I agree.

[01:08:27] Kind of handy.

[01:08:29] So I guess that leads on to me then?

[01:08:30] Or have you got any more, Liam?

[01:08:32] You'll do something else.

[01:08:34] Right.

[01:08:35] This is the issue.

[01:08:37] So most of mine have been taken here, but I need to check.

[01:08:39] I was just trying to figure out there.

[01:08:41] Leirona.

[01:08:42] Was that in the last five years?

[01:08:43] Yes.

[01:08:44] Definitely that was in the last five years.

[01:08:46] For sure.

[01:08:46] It has to have been, right?

[01:08:47] Yeah.

[01:08:47] Yeah.

[01:08:48] Yeah.

[01:08:49] That really messed...

[01:08:50] Yeah, that messed me up.

[01:08:51] The scene in the car.

[01:08:53] Oh!

[01:08:54] Where...

[01:08:54] And then...

[01:08:56] Oh my God.

[01:08:57] I hated every second of it.

[01:08:59] Then they're in like the little...

[01:09:00] They're going to the tunnel thing, don't they?

[01:09:03] The...

[01:09:04] What's it called?

[01:09:05] I don't know.

[01:09:05] It's like...

[01:09:06] But they're in the car originally.

[01:09:07] And she's there and then they end up in that little what?

[01:09:10] Tunnel thing.

[01:09:10] I don't know what the tunnel's called though.

[01:09:12] Yeah.

[01:09:12] I know.

[01:09:13] I don't even.

[01:09:14] Is it called a tunnel?

[01:09:16] It is.

[01:09:16] But it's like...

[01:09:17] There's definitely a word.

[01:09:19] Shit.

[01:09:20] I don't...

[01:09:20] I don't know what uh...

[01:09:21] Wait, what movie is this?

[01:09:24] La Llorona.

[01:09:25] I don't know if I saw this movie.

[01:09:26] Oh, Shannon, you got to check it out.

[01:09:28] And you know what I love, Billy?

[01:09:29] I love when a movie also introduces me to like a folklore that I knew nothing about.

[01:09:33] You know?

[01:09:34] Yeah.

[01:09:34] Yeah.

[01:09:35] Because I had no idea this was like based on a real thing.

[01:09:38] Yeah.

[01:09:38] Until after I'd seen it.

[01:09:40] So...

[01:09:40] And I searched it.

[01:09:41] It's like...

[01:09:41] How did you not know that?

[01:09:44] Well, I just...

[01:09:45] I just had...

[01:09:46] I did it.

[01:09:46] It just happened.

[01:09:48] I did it.

[01:09:50] Billy, we've got episodes all about urban legends and stuff, man.

[01:09:53] How do you not know that?

[01:09:56] I'd watched that before we'd started this podcast.

[01:09:59] But yeah, no, honestly, I knew after watching the film, because I did some research on it,

[01:10:03] because at the end credits, it tells you about like the story of it and stuff.

[01:10:08] And yeah, it was based on a real thing.

[01:10:10] But there's so many scenes in that film that really messed me up.

[01:10:14] Yeah, so well made.

[01:10:15] That's a good...

[01:10:15] One of those films that, yeah, you've got to be like this.

[01:10:18] You've got to be like this.

[01:10:19] So that was the main one, because I had...

[01:10:20] I had...

[01:10:22] Everyone said...

[01:10:22] Well, it's on a list now, so...

[01:10:25] Well, that's the hard thing.

[01:10:26] Yeah, that's the hard thing about the last five years, that there's only been so many,

[01:10:29] you know, that have been like real crackerjacks.

[01:10:33] Because Invisible Man was like right up there for me.

[01:10:37] Yeah, for sure.

[01:10:38] I might re-watch that tonight.

[01:10:43] It is a bloody cat.

[01:10:45] The cat's trying to...

[01:10:47] She's trying to say her favorites.

[01:10:49] I didn't know if that was a cat or a child, so I didn't want to say anything, because I

[01:10:54] didn't want to offend anyone if I'm like, hey, there's a cat.

[01:10:57] And they're like, well, no, that is my child.

[01:11:02] No, he's a bastard.

[01:11:06] What about X?

[01:11:07] Was that the last five years?

[01:11:09] And another great one.

[01:11:10] Yeah, that was.

[01:11:11] X and Pearl, yeah.

[01:11:12] I haven't seen that one.

[01:11:14] It's just Bond, basically, and then people get murdered.

[01:11:18] I'll see why it's in your list.

[01:11:19] Let me ask you guys a question.

[01:11:20] All right, so let me ask you guys a question.

[01:11:23] What do you think about horror in 2024 so far?

[01:11:26] What's your opinion?

[01:11:30] I think what's come out with you so far?

[01:11:33] Late Night with the Devil, Immaculate.

[01:11:36] Oh, yes.

[01:11:37] I like Late Night with the Devil.

[01:11:38] I quite liked it.

[01:11:40] Same.

[01:11:40] The first Omen came out.

[01:11:43] You know, we got...

[01:11:45] I thought it was highly stylized, but it didn't really kind of land.

[01:11:50] But the filmmaker knows what they're doing.

[01:11:53] I mean, it looked great.

[01:11:55] What else did we have that was really good?

[01:11:57] Well, we had When Evil Lurks.

[01:11:59] I think that was this year.

[01:12:00] I think so.

[01:12:01] That was good.

[01:12:02] I'm not saying that.

[01:12:03] Oh, Liam.

[01:12:04] Yeah.

[01:12:05] You got a treat waiting for you, but like...

[01:12:08] It will...

[01:12:09] It just...

[01:12:09] Like, it just leaves you.

[01:12:11] Like, that's...

[01:12:11] You know, like when a movie...

[01:12:12] Oh, it leaves you feeling this.

[01:12:13] It leaves you...

[01:12:14] That movie just leaves you.

[01:12:18] Like, it takes your soul and it's gone.

[01:12:22] Shannon will agree with me.

[01:12:23] You want to watch the movie because it's incredible and you're going to love it.

[01:12:26] But then you immediately want to watch like Paddington 2.

[01:12:30] You know, like...

[01:12:32] You got to balance the scales a little bit.

[01:12:35] You need to feel better about life or something afterwards.

[01:12:38] It's just...

[01:12:39] Nothing good happens.

[01:12:41] But...

[01:12:42] What a great movie.

[01:12:43] That's going to be listening to watch.

[01:12:44] What was that one with Russell Crowe?

[01:12:46] Oh, The Pope's Exorcist.

[01:12:48] That's terrible.

[01:12:49] You know what?

[01:12:50] I hadn't seen it, but now I'm not going to.

[01:12:53] Yeah, no.

[01:12:54] It was...

[01:12:54] I was really excited for it when I'd seen the trailer and stuff.

[01:12:57] And I thought...

[01:12:58] Russell Crowe as well.

[01:12:59] I thought it was going to be a great film.

[01:13:00] But I think it would be great.

[01:13:02] Shit.

[01:13:03] It's one of them that we talked about.

[01:13:04] You feel absolutely nothing for the family involved.

[01:13:07] Like, you don't care whatsoever.

[01:13:09] Yeah.

[01:13:09] There's no character development.

[01:13:10] No, not at all.

[01:13:12] It's literally...

[01:13:12] They move to a house.

[01:13:13] Kid gets possessed.

[01:13:14] Like, there's no build-up to anything.

[01:13:16] Yeah, if there's...

[01:13:17] If you don't care about him, then you're like...

[01:13:18] I hope the devil gets this fucking kid.

[01:13:20] Yeah.

[01:13:23] Fuck that kid.

[01:13:25] It was one of them.

[01:13:26] They messed around with the trailer.

[01:13:29] So...

[01:13:30] It was in, like, a different order to how it actually happens in the movie.

[01:13:33] Oh, yeah.

[01:13:34] In the trailer, it was better.

[01:13:36] All the time.

[01:13:37] I hate that.

[01:13:38] And that just annoys the hell out of me.

[01:13:40] Yeah.

[01:13:40] Same.

[01:13:44] Well, Shannon knows my trailer rule.

[01:13:47] You watch one...

[01:13:48] You watch the first trailer, because it's usually like a teaser.

[01:13:51] And then they release four more.

[01:13:54] Don't watch any of them.

[01:13:55] Because they give away the entire, entire movie.

[01:13:58] And it makes me crazy.

[01:14:00] Yeah.

[01:14:01] Yeah.

[01:14:01] You know, you're like, well, don't get attached to Barbara, because I know she fucking dies,

[01:14:04] because they showed it in the trailer.

[01:14:05] You know?

[01:14:06] And it's like...

[01:14:07] It takes all the fun away from it.

[01:14:09] You know?

[01:14:10] Well, there's an interesting one, then.

[01:14:12] So, Long Legs.

[01:14:14] Because I still haven't actually seen it.

[01:14:16] I was just going to bring that one up.

[01:14:18] Yeah.

[01:14:18] Because obviously, the trailers with that were done really well.

[01:14:21] Obviously, you don't know what the hell was happening.

[01:14:23] Shannon, tell Liam what I've been saying!

[01:14:27] Liam, I couldn't agree more.

[01:14:29] Yeah.

[01:14:30] No, like, the way they marketed this film was definitely brilliant.

[01:14:34] Whether you like it or you don't, it was absolutely brilliant.

[01:14:38] Because we went in, like, not even knowing what the fuck it was about, really.

[01:14:41] Like, every movie that we saw as a kid, you didn't know what the fuck it was about,

[01:14:45] because they didn't give the movie away.

[01:14:46] You know?

[01:14:47] You had, like, an inkling, you know, maybe, of what this film entailed.

[01:14:53] What I thought I was going to get, I'll admit I was wrong,

[01:14:56] which is kind of a pleasant surprise.

[01:14:59] Unfortunately, it didn't land for me.

[01:15:01] But there's a lot of people who did really like this film,

[01:15:03] so that's so, you know, my opinion doesn't really go too far.

[01:15:07] It's a very diverse film, I would say.

[01:15:09] But the way I...

[01:15:10] I did like it.

[01:15:11] The way, yeah, the way they marketed it, I thought it was still brilliant.

[01:15:15] Regardless of me not caring for the film too much.

[01:15:18] Well, that's why I got so hyped about it,

[01:15:20] and then I saw so many, like, mixed reviews on it,

[01:15:22] I've just, I've never got around to watching it yet, so...

[01:15:25] Yeah.

[01:15:25] I mean, I will do at some point.

[01:15:27] A lot of movies like that for me, too, yeah.

[01:15:29] Guys, I'm going to give you my information.

[01:15:31] I know Shannon's got your info.

[01:15:33] I'm going to give you my info,

[01:15:34] because when you check it out, let me know what you think.

[01:15:36] Yeah, I'm curious.

[01:15:37] You know, and I'll hook up with both of you guys.

[01:15:39] You guys on Instagram?

[01:15:40] Yeah, yeah.

[01:15:41] Yeah, yeah.

[01:15:41] Yeah, so I'll hook up with you on Instagram.

[01:15:43] We're friends.

[01:15:44] Yeah.

[01:15:45] Oh, good.

[01:15:46] So it looks like I'm the only one who's outside the loop.

[01:15:49] Okay, I get it.

[01:15:50] I understand what's going on here.

[01:15:53] Doing the rest of the podcast like this.

[01:15:57] Whatever shits and pulls.

[01:16:01] I mean, I think we're going to get whatever the top prize is for podcasting.

[01:16:05] I think shits and pulls has got it locked for 2025.

[01:16:08] Yeah.

[01:16:10] I'm going to make you guys both excited.

[01:16:12] Steven Soderbergh has got a Haunted House movie coming out,

[01:16:14] and I think after what Oz Perkins did with the trailers for Long Legs,

[01:16:20] Soderbergh was like, yep, that's the way to go.

[01:16:23] So he released the new trailer.

[01:16:25] All it is, it's a drone shot that starts out in this beautiful suburban neighborhood,

[01:16:29] and it just slowly comes down, and there's text on the screen.

[01:16:33] No dialogue, just good atmosphere of music and text on the screen saying,

[01:16:37] like, this house is this.

[01:16:38] And then it explains what this house is.

[01:16:40] Or this house has, I'm sorry.

[01:16:42] You know, this house has a loving family.

[01:16:44] This house has, you know, a storied history.

[01:16:48] This house has.

[01:16:49] And then it just gets down to street level,

[01:16:51] and then it slowly starts to pan in on an open doorway,

[01:16:54] and it's dark inside.

[01:16:56] And then it just says in big letters, this house has a presence.

[01:16:59] And that's it.

[01:17:00] It's just a drone shot of a house.

[01:17:02] I mean, it could be on a real estate website, for Christ's sakes.

[01:17:06] But it's so good with the music and the text.

[01:17:09] You don't know a damn thing about the movie,

[01:17:11] except that that's a Haunted House movie.

[01:17:13] And you watch this trailer, and you're like,

[01:17:16] if it was out today, I'd be there right now.

[01:17:18] And that's all you need.

[01:17:19] Yeah, you want more.

[01:17:20] It leaves you wanting more.

[01:17:21] That's all a trailer needs to do.

[01:17:22] It needs to make you want more.

[01:17:23] Short, sweet, and impactful.

[01:17:25] Yeah, exactly.

[01:17:26] What happened is that years ago, you know,

[01:17:28] someone from the Wharton School of Business,

[01:17:30] here in the big studios, was like,

[01:17:32] nah, you know what?

[01:17:33] I think more people would go to movies

[01:17:34] if they know what the entire movie's about in two minutes.

[01:17:37] And we haven't gotten away from that.

[01:17:39] You know?

[01:17:40] It's heartbreaking.

[01:17:41] Everybody complains about it, too.

[01:17:43] It's like, is anybody going to learn anything?

[01:17:46] But no, we don't.

[01:17:48] Maybe, though.

[01:17:49] Maybe.

[01:17:50] You know, I mean, at least we have a couple of examples

[01:17:52] where we're heading in a different direction.

[01:17:54] Yeah, yeah.

[01:17:55] So, I mean, there's hope.

[01:17:57] But we'll just see what happens.

[01:17:59] I was thinking, though, as well.

[01:18:00] Like, they would make more money doing it like that.

[01:18:02] Right?

[01:18:02] Because more people wouldn't want to see it.

[01:18:05] Yeah.

[01:18:05] You'd think so, wouldn't you?

[01:18:06] Yeah, 100%.

[01:18:07] Billy.

[01:18:08] Absolutely.

[01:18:09] I'll prove Liam right.

[01:18:11] Long Legs was made between $10 and $15 million.

[01:18:15] It made $100 million at the box office.

[01:18:17] Because people went because they didn't know

[01:18:18] what the fuck it was about, but they were curious.

[01:18:20] And I think just opening weekend, right?

[01:18:23] It made its budget opening weekend.

[01:18:28] Yeah.

[01:18:28] You know?

[01:18:28] I mean, it's like, it's crazy.

[01:18:30] It's absolutely crazy.

[01:18:32] Guys, we have to bail in four minutes

[01:18:34] because we have a guest at two.

[01:18:35] We have to do our podcast.

[01:18:37] Yeah, yeah.

[01:18:38] You two.

[01:18:39] But you're not going anywhere, though,

[01:18:42] until we solidify.

[01:18:44] You two are coming on the podcast.

[01:18:48] We, Shannon and I are creating our 2025 movie list,

[01:18:51] but you don't have to follow that.

[01:18:52] If you guys have a movie that,

[01:18:54] and I mean, Billy, I'm not doing Empire Strikes Back,

[01:18:57] so fuck off.

[01:19:02] Avengers the Sith.

[01:19:04] All right, that'll do.

[01:19:05] That'll do.

[01:19:06] But if you two have a movie that you're passionate about,

[01:19:09] the both of you, and you want to do that,

[01:19:11] we'll absolutely do it.

[01:19:12] Let's know, yeah.

[01:19:12] But we'll send you the list.

[01:19:15] It's the end of September now.

[01:19:18] We're recording on October 20th,

[01:19:22] and we're recording on,

[01:19:23] what we do is we stack a Sunday like today.

[01:19:26] We're recording on the 20th,

[01:19:27] and we're recording on the shit,

[01:19:30] the 17th of November.

[01:19:32] Yeah, I think so.

[01:19:33] You don't have to answer now.

[01:19:34] Let me know if you guys have availability that day.

[01:19:37] I know you're five hours ahead,

[01:19:39] so we'll make it work.

[01:19:41] But we have to have you on.

[01:19:43] You two pricks are fantastic.

[01:19:48] Yeah, we'll be on.

[01:19:49] We'll be on.

[01:19:50] Nothing would make me happier.

[01:19:52] Let's do 2025.

[01:19:54] We'll do it right.

[01:19:55] We'll send you the movie list.

[01:19:57] Look it over.

[01:19:57] But you guys have free reign to do whatever you like,

[01:20:01] because you guys are fucking gems.

[01:20:03] I really enjoyed myself today.

[01:20:05] Yeah, this was a blast.

[01:20:07] Good.

[01:20:09] And I apologize for the technical inconvenience.

[01:20:12] That's the best part.

[01:20:15] Naked children screaming cats and fucked up mics.

[01:20:23] Really can't thank you guys enough for having us on.

[01:20:25] This is incredible.

[01:20:26] And Shannon, I got to thank you,

[01:20:27] because you're the one who did all this.

[01:20:28] So, well done.

[01:20:30] Yeah, thanks for reaching out, guys.

[01:20:32] This was so awesome.

[01:20:33] This was fun.

[01:20:34] I just like all of a sudden,

[01:20:35] it got darker and darker and darker.

[01:20:40] A true Halloween special.

[01:20:41] I think Liam lives in a haunted house.

[01:20:47] All right, guys.

[01:20:48] We have to bounce, though,

[01:20:48] because we literally have to go right into our thing.

[01:20:51] Yeah, that's absolutely fine.

[01:20:52] That's absolutely fine.

[01:20:52] Thanks for joining.

[01:20:53] You guys have been amazing, too.

[01:20:55] Love to have you guys on again.

[01:20:56] Right then, guys.

[01:20:57] So, that is it for today.

[01:20:58] Once again, a massive thank you to Sean and Shannon

[01:21:00] from Sinful Cuts.

[01:21:01] That was...

[01:21:02] Honestly, Billy,

[01:21:02] I think that was my favorite guest episode.

[01:21:04] No offense to anyone else, but...

[01:21:06] Yeah, yeah.

[01:21:08] It's how wrong it went

[01:21:09] if it made it go so well.

[01:21:12] Normally, I take all of that stuff out,

[01:21:14] but I think I'm going to have to leave a few bits in there

[01:21:15] just to prove a point of the nightmare that we've had,

[01:21:18] but also how much of a laugh we've had.

[01:21:21] Definitely.

[01:21:22] Definitely.

[01:21:23] Right then, guys.

[01:21:24] So, thank you for listening.

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[01:21:37] So, that's it then, Billy.

[01:21:39] Yeah.

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[01:21:48] Yes, and happy Halloween.

[01:21:50] Happy Halloween.

[01:21:52] Take care.