Let's Talk About... "Meltonstone" With Chris from Strange States! Ep.58

[00:00:09] Right then guys, welcome back to Lets Talk About, Liam here today, no Billy with us once again, he is watching fireworks, even though it's not even bonfire night yet, but fair play to him. Tonight with us I've got Chris from Strange States, so Chris welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:25] Thanks Mike, how are you?

[00:00:27] I'm good mate, I'm good, how are you?

[00:00:29] Good stuff.

[00:00:29] Yeah, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, yeah.

[00:00:32] Good, good, good. Saturday, so my day's been ruined by football, but we move on.

[00:00:37] Fair enough, fair play.

[00:00:40] Right then Chris, talk to me about Strange States, when did you start it, how did you start it, why did you start it?

[00:00:49] I suppose it was just through boredom really, through lockdown. There wasn't a lot going off, the gyms were shut.

[00:00:57] In the UK we had a terrible lockdown situation where you couldn't do much of anything really.

[00:01:03] And I've always been interested in paranormal stuff and weird mysteries and stuff like that, just as a pastime.

[00:01:11] And I thought why not start something up, I know quite a lot about the subject.

[00:01:15] Why not just make a little Instagram account and see how it goes?

[00:01:21] And it really took off really quickly.

[00:01:24] I've got about 20 odd thousand followers.

[00:01:27] I've not really had to work for that, although I do put a lot of content out.

[00:01:30] I've not really thought about working for it.

[00:01:34] And it seemed like a lot of people were interested in stuff that I was posting.

[00:01:38] I was finding out new stuff that I was interested in as well, like the missing 411 that always interested me.

[00:01:45] It's a really big phenomenon that in America.

[00:01:48] And in the UK actually, it's got quite a little bit of a seedling of a mystery in the UK,

[00:01:57] which I'm currently having a look at at the minute.

[00:01:59] But yeah, that's how it started.

[00:02:02] Nice, nice.

[00:02:04] Yeah, I remember lockdown.

[00:02:05] It was horrendous.

[00:02:07] And I kind of wish I'd started this during lockdown, but for some reason I didn't.

[00:02:13] So your experiences with the paranormal and stuff then, when did it really start?

[00:02:18] Like what was your first experience with it?

[00:02:20] Can you remember?

[00:02:24] That's a tough one because when we say our experiences with the paranormal, up until quite recently,

[00:02:32] I've probably never had any experiences with anything you might think is ghostly or UFO type stuff.

[00:02:39] But when I look back now in my childhood, I mean, my mum's died now, bless her, but she's...

[00:02:48] I used to tell my mum when I was about three or four, I can hear someone talking to me.

[00:02:53] And that sounds really daft and it sounds odd.

[00:02:55] It sounds like kids.

[00:02:56] They always hear stuff.

[00:02:58] And as I remember it, I heard distinct voices in my ears.

[00:03:03] I'm not saying I'm nowhere near psychic.

[00:03:05] I'm not a spiritual person really.

[00:03:08] But I do remember hearing voices.

[00:03:10] And now, whether that was because maybe I'm a little bit mental, I don't know.

[00:03:13] But I just remember hearing them.

[00:03:16] And obviously, I think you grow out of that hearing stuff.

[00:03:19] So that was, I suppose, the first maybe thing I can point my finger at.

[00:03:24] But over the last ten years, maybe, I've really had my eyes opened.

[00:03:29] I was very much a sceptic.

[00:03:31] I'm not religious.

[00:03:34] I'm very much a sceptic.

[00:03:35] I was very much a sceptic of ghosts and things like that.

[00:03:39] But over the last ten years, I've probably become what you'd call a proper believer in things like that

[00:03:46] due to a couple of experiences that I've had that I cannot give you a rational explanation for.

[00:03:54] I can go into that if you want me to.

[00:03:57] Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:58] Just to go back there when you said about hearing voices, did you say how old you were when that was happening?

[00:04:03] I was about three or four, maybe five at the time.

[00:04:06] I vaguely recollect hearing different voices.

[00:04:11] Not regularly, but just hearing actual voices in my ear, like someone saying hello or a couple of words maybe that wasn't my mum.

[00:04:23] I guarantee it wasn't my mum and it wasn't the TV.

[00:04:27] But then I have to look on the rational side of things and think to myself, is it just a kid maybe hearing a few things?

[00:04:34] I can't ever say that's paranormal, but it made me feel a certain way as well, I think.

[00:04:41] Made me question it.

[00:04:42] And I think that's always important.

[00:04:43] You have to question stuff.

[00:04:45] Yeah.

[00:04:45] Yeah, I just ask that because when I was a kid, up until I was about five, I don't have really many strong memories of it,

[00:04:54] but everyone always told me that I used to sit in my bedroom and have full-blown conversations with people who weren't there.

[00:05:00] And we've had a guy on here called Mark, who's a medium.

[00:05:03] And his full belief is once you're a kid, you're fully open to everything.

[00:05:09] And then it's when you get to the age of five or six, when things start to close off to you.

[00:05:15] It's interesting that you say, like I said, you were in that age range.

[00:05:22] I've spoken to various people.

[00:05:23] I've been on lots of podcasts in America and I've spoken to various people about this.

[00:05:28] And they seem to think, the people in the know, I think, seem to think that when you reach a certain age,

[00:05:34] which might be in your teens, might be in your early adulthood, there's a part of your brain that somehow closes off, maybe,

[00:05:44] and doesn't allow that kind of thing to come in.

[00:05:46] I don't know if that's the case, obviously.

[00:05:48] It sounds really unfathomable, really, but you never know, dear.

[00:05:54] I'm quite open to stuff like that now.

[00:05:58] I never used to be.

[00:06:00] I think I'm a bit like you.

[00:06:02] Before, I was very sceptical of pretty much everything, apart from aliens.

[00:06:06] I've always been full believer in aliens.

[00:06:08] Always have been.

[00:06:10] But now I say that I believe in things, but I'm not sure what I believe in.

[00:06:15] Yes.

[00:06:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:16] That's fair.

[00:06:18] Yeah.

[00:06:18] So your other experiences over the last 10 years then, so do you want to dive into some of them?

[00:06:24] Oh, okay.

[00:06:25] Yeah.

[00:06:25] So the major experience I've had was, I've said this on a few podcasts, have you heard of 30 East Drive?

[00:06:38] Yeah, in that Pontiff Rack or something?

[00:06:39] Yes.

[00:06:40] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:41] It's supposed to be one of the most haunted places in the UK.

[00:06:45] And I went there with a friend.

[00:06:47] A friend got me the ticket.

[00:06:49] She said, you know, he needs to come here.

[00:06:50] If you like that kind of thing, we'll go together.

[00:06:53] We took another friend as well.

[00:06:55] And I went there very, very sceptical.

[00:06:58] Very, you know, it's going to be a bit of fun this.

[00:07:00] It's going to just be a bit of larking about for three or four hours maybe.

[00:07:05] We were there.

[00:07:06] We were supposed to be there for nine o'clock and we were going to leave at six in the morning.

[00:07:10] It's not far from where I live, so it was an easy ride there.

[00:07:14] We got there and there was a few other people there.

[00:07:18] It was like an event that they were holding.

[00:07:19] They still do these events as well.

[00:07:22] The house itself, for those who don't know, it's very normal.

[00:07:25] It's a very normal looking council house, although it's been bought now.

[00:07:30] It's a very normal looking council house.

[00:07:33] It's got a couple of bedrooms.

[00:07:34] I think, yeah, three bedrooms upstairs and a bathroom.

[00:07:37] Downstairs, there's a kitchen, a fairly large hallway, a little bit of a dining room and a living room.

[00:07:45] But very English, very normal.

[00:07:48] When I went in, I didn't feel strange.

[00:07:50] I didn't feel anything in there.

[00:07:52] The people who were there who we didn't know, the other guests, seemed very normal, seemed very plausible.

[00:08:00] There weren't actors or anything like that.

[00:08:02] The guy who was running it was very open, very nice guy.

[00:08:07] He'd set up some CCTV in there to watch the night.

[00:08:12] Probably more so that people didn't nick anything, I suppose.

[00:08:18] Everyone was behaving themselves.

[00:08:20] So we did a bit of table tipping, a little bit of Ouija board stuff, which I'm not really into, but I went along with it.

[00:08:26] Because it was an expensive ticket.

[00:08:27] It was about 50 quid to go along.

[00:08:29] Maybe a bit more, actually.

[00:08:30] And that was about 10 years ago.

[00:08:34] So my friend was downstairs with her friend.

[00:08:36] And I said to the guy, look, can I go upstairs in one of these bedrooms that you say is haunted?

[00:08:42] And can I sit on my arm up there for a little while while you lot are doing stuff down here?

[00:08:46] He said, go for it, yeah.

[00:08:47] You paid for the ticket.

[00:08:48] Go and have a sit upstairs.

[00:08:49] So I did.

[00:08:50] And I went into the oldest daughter's bedroom, which would have been her bedroom.

[00:08:58] And the way the house was kitted out and decorated was like in a time warp.

[00:09:04] It looked like the 70s still.

[00:09:06] They tried to make it look like the time period of when it was supposedly at its most haunted.

[00:09:14] And in the bedroom that I was in, that I sat on the bed, I had like old looking sheets on it, which I would have had when I was probably a kid or close to it.

[00:09:25] There was pictures of the Bay City Rollers, which is an old Scottish rock band on the wall.

[00:09:32] David Cassidy.

[00:09:33] There was Rubik's Cubes.

[00:09:35] There was stuff like that all about.

[00:09:36] So it was very themed, which looked good.

[00:09:40] It looked great.

[00:09:41] So I'm just sat there on the bed.

[00:09:43] Everyone's downstairs.

[00:09:44] There's no real noise upstairs.

[00:09:45] It's pitch, well, not pitch black, but dark enough.

[00:09:47] So, you know, it feels a bit eerie.

[00:09:50] And I'm leaning just like I am now on the wall of the bedroom.

[00:09:56] And I hear a scraping going down the back of the wall.

[00:10:01] And I didn't really think much of it at first, but it got louder and louder.

[00:10:05] And I thought, what the hell is that?

[00:10:06] Is something outside?

[00:10:07] Is something leaking or something dropped from the outside?

[00:10:09] So I had a look, felt the wall.

[00:10:12] When I felt the wall, it stopped.

[00:10:14] I turned back round.

[00:10:16] I'm just looking out the door because the way the bedroom is, I'm facing the door and it's open.

[00:10:21] It's not a big room.

[00:10:22] It's like a box room.

[00:10:24] The length of the bed is one way and the side of the bed faces the door.

[00:10:31] And I'm just looking out and I can see the bathroom.

[00:10:33] I can see the other two bedrooms to the left.

[00:10:36] And I'm hearing more scratching behind me.

[00:10:39] And I think that's odd.

[00:10:40] It is odd that.

[00:10:41] I can't, like, put my hand on what that is.

[00:10:44] Is it a rat in the walls?

[00:10:46] Is it a mouse?

[00:10:47] I'm trying to rationalise it.

[00:10:50] Every time I turn around, it stops.

[00:10:52] Every time I put my hand on the wall, it stops.

[00:10:54] And every time I look back at the doorway, it starts again.

[00:10:58] And then I start hearing knocking from underneath the bed.

[00:11:01] Like, tapping.

[00:11:03] Like someone's tapping the frame.

[00:11:07] And that was weird because I wasn't tapping the frame.

[00:11:10] And I wasn't moving so that the springs were moving, if that makes sense.

[00:11:15] So I come off the bed a little bit and I put my feet down.

[00:11:19] And I hear tapping again.

[00:11:24] And this is still mad for me to think about this.

[00:11:27] Because I still haven't rationalised it in my head.

[00:11:31] A rubber ball about so big, about an inch, for those who are listening.

[00:11:34] So it's about an inch rubber ball.

[00:11:36] It was green.

[00:11:37] Bounced out from under the bed.

[00:11:40] Through my legs.

[00:11:41] Onto, like, the matted carpet area.

[00:11:44] Bounced.

[00:11:45] It didn't roll at first.

[00:11:47] It bounced out.

[00:11:49] Maybe going a few inches off the floor each time it bounced.

[00:11:52] On its own, without anyone touching it.

[00:11:55] Now, if anyone knows physics, if you drop a ball, eventually the ball, if it has bounced, comes to a stop.

[00:12:03] This didn't seem to do it at first.

[00:12:05] It did.

[00:12:06] But it didn't seem to do it like it rationally should do in terms of physics.

[00:12:11] It bounced, bounced, bounced, bounced, bounced.

[00:12:14] And then stopped.

[00:12:15] Right at my feet.

[00:12:17] And I thought, well, that's really weird.

[00:12:19] That's really odd.

[00:12:21] Because the way it bounced was weird.

[00:12:23] And then it started doing a circle, this ball.

[00:12:26] On its own.

[00:12:27] No word of a lie.

[00:12:29] I've got no reason.

[00:12:30] I've said this to many, many people.

[00:12:31] I've got no reason to make this up.

[00:12:33] It started doing circles.

[00:12:35] On its own, this rubber ball.

[00:12:36] And I thought, that is really odd.

[00:12:39] And I picked the ball up.

[00:12:40] It wasn't hot.

[00:12:41] It wasn't cold.

[00:12:43] It didn't, like, run away from me.

[00:12:45] I picked the ball up and I examined it.

[00:12:46] It was a rubber, bouncy ball.

[00:12:48] About an inch in diameter.

[00:12:51] And I thought, the guy downstairs is having some kind of laugh.

[00:12:55] He's got something rigged up.

[00:12:56] It's got to have done.

[00:12:58] I put the ball on the side, which had, like, a ledge where there were some toys.

[00:13:03] I put the ball on the side.

[00:13:05] As soon as I put it on the side, I left it and it didn't move.

[00:13:08] Two seconds later, it rolls on the floor.

[00:13:11] It wasn't on a slant.

[00:13:13] It wasn't.

[00:13:13] I left it on the side.

[00:13:15] Left it there.

[00:13:16] It didn't move.

[00:13:18] I'm still trying to work out what happened in my head.

[00:13:22] And the ball just rolls onto the floor, back at my feet.

[00:13:25] And I think, okay, that's really weird.

[00:13:27] So I went downstairs then.

[00:13:29] Because I've been up there for about maybe 20 minutes, 25 minutes.

[00:13:33] And I said to the guy, can I have a quick word with you?

[00:13:36] He was outside.

[00:13:37] He was in the hallway.

[00:13:38] And the other people were in the kitchen where the CCTV was.

[00:13:43] I said, can I have a quick word with you?

[00:13:44] And he said, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:44] I said, I don't want to say it in front of anyone else.

[00:13:49] Look, I know you're selling tickets for this.

[00:13:52] And I know this is like an event.

[00:13:55] But just between me and you, have you done anything upstairs that I need to know about?

[00:14:02] That is great for entertainment.

[00:14:04] I'm not going to say anything to anyone.

[00:14:06] I'm not going to, you know, dish the dirt or ruin it for you.

[00:14:11] But just tell me, have you put a gyro in a ball or something that you're controlling?

[00:14:18] And he said, no, what do you mean?

[00:14:19] I don't understand what you mean.

[00:14:21] He said, there's a ball upstairs and it was moving on its own.

[00:14:24] And not just moving like it had been moved or knocked.

[00:14:27] It was moving on its own.

[00:14:29] And he said, I've not touched anything.

[00:14:33] I've been down here.

[00:14:34] We've been looking at CCTV.

[00:14:36] And you might want to go and have a word with one of your mates.

[00:14:38] Because they're watching the CCTV of where you were.

[00:14:42] And there was a camera on me in that room.

[00:14:45] Because he'd put them in every room.

[00:14:46] So I went into the kitchen.

[00:14:49] And Hannah, my friend, she said, oh, Chris.

[00:14:53] We've just seen some like amazing stuff around you.

[00:14:56] I said, what do you mean?

[00:14:57] She said, as you were sitting on the bed, there were orbs.

[00:15:02] There were little flamey lights everywhere around you.

[00:15:07] There were like six or seven of them just buzzing around you.

[00:15:09] I didn't see them.

[00:15:10] I didn't see that.

[00:15:11] But they did.

[00:15:13] So they rewound it.

[00:15:15] The ball wasn't on there, which is always like a bone of contention for me.

[00:15:19] The ball thing wasn't picked up.

[00:15:22] These orbs were.

[00:15:24] And it was just something that I couldn't work out in my brain.

[00:15:28] And I'm quite a logical person.

[00:15:30] I'm one of these people that like, I don't like people making stuff up just for dramatic effect.

[00:15:37] If it's there, it happened.

[00:15:39] If it's not there, it didn't happen.

[00:15:41] And I couldn't work it out.

[00:15:43] And it annoyed me for about an hour.

[00:15:44] I was just sat in the living room just thinking, what meant that ball move?

[00:15:48] And I didn't feel cold.

[00:15:50] I didn't feel like there was anything nasty there.

[00:15:53] Although there's supposedly some nasty stuff that's gone on there.

[00:15:58] And I suppose that's what really turned my head, really, with it all.

[00:16:03] Yeah.

[00:16:05] I mean, I was going to say we're very much alike.

[00:16:08] As in, I like to be quite rational with things and try to work things out and be a bit logical with things.

[00:16:13] Before, obviously, jumping straight into the paranormal stuff.

[00:16:16] And literally, when you said then about the ball bouncing out from under the bed,

[00:16:20] I literally got goosebumps on my arm then.

[00:16:22] Because that just sounds like pure horror film.

[00:16:24] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:25] Like I say, if you'd have just said about it spinning around and rolling around,

[00:16:28] like I said, I'd have probably been quite sceptical.

[00:16:30] Because that's probably very easy to do.

[00:16:32] Like you said, with a motor or a gyro or something in it.

[00:16:35] But if it's physically bouncing, that's not, you know, I don't know.

[00:16:38] I mean, there's probably a way to do that.

[00:16:42] So, yeah.

[00:16:43] Yeah.

[00:16:44] I mean, I tried to rationalise that.

[00:16:46] I thought to myself, because I looked under the bed.

[00:16:49] I did look under the bed as well.

[00:16:50] And there was nothing there.

[00:16:52] There was just where the ball would have been.

[00:16:55] And the way the ball bounced out, it wasn't like it had fell off the bed and it just rolled out and bounced out.

[00:17:01] It wasn't that.

[00:17:02] Like, you know yourself when you look at something and the way it moves, it will move in a very organised way.

[00:17:09] If you spin a coin, it will spin and spin and then it will go on that tilt and then it will stop.

[00:17:16] You know the way that a coin will spin and eventually come to a stop.

[00:17:20] This ball, and it was only a couple of inches, bounced, bounced, bounced, bounced, right in front of my feet, bounced a couple more times on its own and then just stopped.

[00:17:29] And then it started doing circles.

[00:17:32] Maybe like a couple of inch in diameter circles around us.

[00:17:36] I was like, what the hell is that?

[00:17:37] But why is it doing that?

[00:17:39] And I couldn't work it out.

[00:17:40] For the life of me, I couldn't work it out.

[00:17:43] And to this day, it feels paranormal, but I always try and think more rationally.

[00:17:52] I always try and think it can't have been.

[00:17:56] But then when I look back, so the other part to that story is when I was there then, after that had happened and I went back upstairs,

[00:18:04] I sat back on that bed because my mate Hannah was down and said, she said, go and sit back up on that bed, see if anything else happens.

[00:18:11] And for about 10 minutes, nothing happened.

[00:18:13] The ball was still on the floor because it fell off the side.

[00:18:18] Then I started to feel like I have an intuition of, it was a really weird feeling as well.

[00:18:27] It's like an intuition.

[00:18:28] Have you ever been in like a house, in someone's company or a group of people's company?

[00:18:33] And you know you like the odd one out.

[00:18:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:38] You're not really welcome in that environment.

[00:18:41] That's how I felt.

[00:18:43] I sat there and I felt like I was in a house that I didn't belong in.

[00:18:51] And we all didn't belong there.

[00:18:52] That's how I felt.

[00:18:53] And you should leave.

[00:18:55] And now I'm not by any means a prude or a wuss in normal life.

[00:19:01] I'm a former professional fighter.

[00:19:04] I've been in so many situations that, you know, would scare a lot of people, I suppose, and give a lot of people anxiety.

[00:19:10] I don't get anxiety.

[00:19:12] I'm very lucky with my mental health.

[00:19:14] But in that situation, I felt not scared, I suppose, but more concerned about being there.

[00:19:23] I didn't feel comfortable there whatsoever.

[00:19:25] And by about half past one in the morning, we got there about nine-ish.

[00:19:29] And by about half past one quarter to two, I said to Hannah, my friend who drove us there,

[00:19:35] I'm off, mate, I want to go.

[00:19:37] I'm really, really not comfortable.

[00:19:39] And she saw that.

[00:19:41] She saw that I wasn't right.

[00:19:43] Because we were meant to stay there till six.

[00:19:45] And she said, yeah, yeah, if you want to go, we'll go.

[00:19:48] And on the way back, I didn't really talk about what had gone off.

[00:19:51] We talked about other stuff.

[00:19:52] And my missus, who was waiting for me, I told her little bits, but I didn't tell her everything that had happened.

[00:20:00] Because you don't want to sound like an absolute fruitcake, do you?

[00:20:02] You know, you've been to an haunted house and you've seen some, like, ghosty type stuff.

[00:20:07] Yeah, of course you did.

[00:20:08] I didn't really want to have that.

[00:20:10] So I just didn't mention it.

[00:20:11] But it played on my mind for a while.

[00:20:15] So, yeah.

[00:20:15] Imagine.

[00:20:17] Yeah, yeah.

[00:20:19] Your friend that you went with, was she like a big believer in the paranormal?

[00:20:26] I wouldn't say a big believer, but she was very open-minded.

[00:20:32] I mean, I don't see much now because she moved.

[00:20:35] But I suppose she did believe, yeah, in stuff.

[00:20:39] But she found it more like an entertaining thing, which, you know, that's absolutely fine.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] But there were people there that did believe in stuff and they were questioning me about what had happened upstairs.

[00:20:49] And I could only tell them the truth about what had happened.

[00:20:51] And, yeah, very strange.

[00:20:54] Very, very strange.

[00:20:56] I'm just thinking because, again, have I had a similar sort of experience quite recently?

[00:21:02] I mean, I won't go too much into this because we're going to do a whole episode and we've got a video coming out about it.

[00:21:08] But me and Billy, we've done our first little paranormal investigation in the woods near my house,

[00:21:13] which has got some really dark history to it.

[00:21:16] There's all sorts of shit that has happened in there.

[00:21:20] And he's a big believer.

[00:21:21] He's been there, done a few investigations there before.

[00:21:25] And when we went out, like I said, I felt like that, like you describing it, I just felt very uncomfortable.

[00:21:30] Also, like, I just, it got to a point where I just felt genuinely ill.

[00:21:35] And I just like, but then as soon as we got out, I sort of felt fine again.

[00:21:39] But, like you were saying there with the balls and scratching on the walls and stuff, when it comes to paranormal stuff like that, for me, if one thing happens, I'm like, right, that could be anything.

[00:21:47] I think when multiple things happen, then you get a pattern to it, then, you know, it's a lot harder to dismiss.

[00:21:53] Like when we were there, we had SLS cameras going off, REM pods, cat balls, everything.

[00:21:58] Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:59] I mean, with the technology that's about it at the minute, it's very easy to, like, get certain bits of technology that it's hard to say whether it's paranormal or not.

[00:22:11] I think, like, the meter readers and stuff like that, it can always be argued that there's something else playing with it.

[00:22:16] It can always be argued that, even if, you know, there's no electrical stuff around and there's no magnetised stuff around.

[00:22:22] And you can always give another explanation.

[00:22:25] I think if anything's going to be as close to 100% to paranormal as you can get it, it needs to be thoroughly tested for everything else first.

[00:22:37] And I always come back to the question whenever I speak to anyone about stuff like this is, what's more likely?

[00:22:43] Is it more likely that that ball fell off the bed in some way and bounced in a certain way because it was made of a material?

[00:22:51] Is that more likely than, you know, the black monk of 30-ish drive bouncing it round to scare me?

[00:23:00] And yes, of course it's more likely.

[00:23:03] Does that make it true?

[00:23:04] No.

[00:23:05] It doesn't make it true.

[00:23:06] But it makes it more likely.

[00:23:08] So I always err on that side of caution.

[00:23:10] But it does beg the question, doesn't it?

[00:23:16] What is the issue with that house?

[00:23:21] I don't know.

[00:23:23] I don't know.

[00:23:24] Again, it's like you say, when just death things happen, like you say, that could be more plausible than like another little one.

[00:23:31] I have in July.

[00:23:32] It was my birthday.

[00:23:33] Obviously, I had all the birthday cards up on the shelves and everything.

[00:23:35] I think.

[00:23:36] And there was things in front of the cards and other things on the shelves.

[00:23:39] Then I come down one morning and every single card was on the floor with nothing else.

[00:23:44] So like, you know, there's probably a very easy way to explain that.

[00:23:49] You know, maybe a draft had got in.

[00:23:51] Maybe I'd left the window open and nudge or something.

[00:23:53] But I mean, when nothing else had been off the shelves, then it makes you think a bit like,

[00:24:00] why has nothing else been moved?

[00:24:02] Yeah, exactly.

[00:24:03] I mean, it's difficult sometimes to get your head around it and understand the why things are.

[00:24:10] I mean, I've spoken to tons of people, especially in America over the last three and a half years of doing Strange States.

[00:24:16] I've been on lots of podcasts, spoken to lots of different people about their experiences.

[00:24:23] Some things that you would probably think, oh, that's absolutely nonsense.

[00:24:27] You know, there's no way that happened.

[00:24:29] And you don't know whether they're telling the truth or not.

[00:24:32] Of course you don't.

[00:24:32] But I always think to myself as well, well, what do they get out of it?

[00:24:36] What would I get out of making that up about a ball that bounced in a haunted house?

[00:24:43] You get nothing out of it.

[00:24:45] You're not earning any money off it.

[00:24:46] You're not.

[00:24:48] I don't get why they would do it.

[00:24:50] So I always try and give them the benefit of the doubt that they believe that they saw something,

[00:24:56] because I believe that that happened.

[00:24:58] But you can never really get that over to anyone else and make it absolutely plausible,

[00:25:03] which is always the hard thing about the paranormal.

[00:25:07] That's always the hard thing.

[00:25:08] But I'm with you, like on certain subjects of paranormal, like the UFO thing,

[00:25:14] for me, there's no question to it.

[00:25:15] There's got to be.

[00:25:16] There's got to be something else out there.

[00:25:19] And in fact, I don't think it's out there.

[00:25:23] I think it's here.

[00:25:24] I think it's been here for a long time.

[00:25:26] Whoever they are, whatever they are, from whatever.

[00:25:30] So my theory is going off topic a little bit there.

[00:25:34] There was probably something before us on this planet that we have no idea about.

[00:25:39] That's probably my most rational understanding of it.

[00:25:45] I think Graham Hancock.

[00:25:47] Have you heard of Graham Hancock?

[00:25:48] Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:50] He does a lot with ancient history and a lot of archaeological stuff.

[00:25:55] I think he's got it right.

[00:25:56] We have a forgotten past.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:59] And we have a set of academics out there who, for whatever reason, will only stick to one narrative.

[00:26:07] And I think that's really sad because I think the fun thing about archaeology and finding out about the past is discovering new things and being open to it.

[00:26:16] But I do truly believe there was something here before us.

[00:26:21] I mean, you look at certain, even old cathedrals and stuff, and I'm just, the things were built.

[00:26:28] Even in the 1700s, I still struggle to believe how they were built.

[00:26:33] That's fairly recently.

[00:26:36] Yeah.

[00:26:38] I mean, that's like very, very recent history.

[00:26:42] When you look back at, I mean, even past, say, dinosaur-type era, even like Neanderthal era, we don't really know what went off.

[00:26:55] We don't know what was around.

[00:26:58] If the beings that were there are as intelligent enough to create a machine that defies gravity, which is borderline magic to us.

[00:27:10] It's borderline magic, something that can hang in midair, like Bob Lazar said, and freely expel gravity.

[00:27:18] Freely just stay there.

[00:27:20] We have no idea what they were capable of and who they were, where they were from.

[00:27:27] I mean, I've got my theories, of course, but, you know, that's only just some guy from Yorkshire who's got a theory about it.

[00:27:33] Do you know what I mean?

[00:27:33] I mean, I think that's all most things are, though, especially, like, say, when you go that far back, it's all just theories.

[00:27:40] Like, there's a theory that I love.

[00:27:42] I mean, I don't know how much I believe it, but I really enjoy thinking about it.

[00:27:48] So a theory that I like is that humans aren't from Earth.

[00:27:53] We were sent here as, like, some other planet and they used Earth as a prison.

[00:28:01] So, like, and then the argument is that's why, like, you know, we get burnt in the sun because we're not supposed to be exposed to it as much as we are.

[00:28:10] You've got people who are, I think, who are essentially allergic to oxygen, which we need to breathe.

[00:28:15] You know, humans are, I mean, I know you can get animals who have allergies to things, but, like, you've got humans who, you know, they have to live in a bubble and stuff because if they go outside of that, they'll die.

[00:28:24] And it's just like, how can that be right on the planet that you're from?

[00:28:31] I mean, there's certain things that we have to put up with as humans and other species of animals as well that you would think, hang on a minute, this planet doesn't, isn't kind to us, isn't right for us.

[00:28:45] And I'm not sure about maybe the prison thing.

[00:28:48] I don't know.

[00:28:50] I think maybe, you probably touched on something there that's quite relevant now.

[00:28:57] If this was a seeded planet, what I mean by that is, if you've ever seen, was it Prometheus, the film?

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:05] Yeah.

[00:29:06] Where they seed the planet with one person and that person, well, that being's DNA evolved into what we find everything now.

[00:29:17] Maybe, like, an Adam-type situation, Adam and Eve.

[00:29:22] But it's hard to even really get your head around, even if you had, like, a doctorate in physics and biology.

[00:29:29] It's still really difficult to get your head around, you know.

[00:29:33] Well, exactly.

[00:29:34] Again, that's why I say anything, you go that far enough back, you're never going to know exactly.

[00:29:39] Literally, everything is just a theory.

[00:29:42] Like you said, dinosaurs are the best example.

[00:29:44] Like you said, we know what the skeletons look like, but we haven't got a clue what they look like physically on the outside.

[00:29:49] I mean, you watch Jurassic Park and then nowadays, everyone reckons all dinosaurs had feathers and they were like birds.

[00:29:55] Yeah.

[00:29:56] Yeah, yeah.

[00:29:56] I think we do our best.

[00:29:58] I think science does its best to come up with the most rational answer.

[00:30:03] And that's why I really like science.

[00:30:05] It always asks the question after its thought of the answer as well, which I think is really important.

[00:30:12] I mean, when you look at Egypt and the way they built pyramids, the pyramids in Mexico, the pyramids in China, you know, these things are thousands of miles apart, yet resemble each other to a very high degree.

[00:30:30] And why did they build them up?

[00:30:33] Why?

[00:30:33] You know, why would they build structures in such a way that made it more difficult to build?

[00:30:41] Because pyramids are notoriously difficult to build.

[00:30:46] The geometrics of the Egyptian pyramids are so precise and without computers.

[00:30:55] How did they do that?

[00:30:57] How did they know how many blocks to put in?

[00:31:00] In which way they should face the blocks in order to keep that pyramid relatively, in fact, very well in the degrees that it should be?

[00:31:10] You know, it's amazing.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:13] Because it's one of them.

[00:31:14] It's like, I always say there's no way that was like, you know, a happy accident that happened.

[00:31:19] No, no.

[00:31:20] No.

[00:31:21] I can't believe that one for me.

[00:31:24] No.

[00:31:25] I mean, we've heard a lot of stuff about when, I don't know about Ben, when you was a young'un when he was being taught this in school, that it was slaves that pulled big blocks.

[00:31:35] And, you know, it was slight.

[00:31:37] There's no way you would get a workforce of thousands of slaves to be able to do that.

[00:31:44] No.

[00:31:44] I agree with Graham Hancock.

[00:31:46] The way those pyramids were made, if it was man-made, was through love and craft.

[00:31:53] That's why those pyramids were made and that's how they were made.

[00:31:56] No one would have been forced into building those pyramids.

[00:31:59] It would have took hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years to even get the foundations sorted for those kinds of pyramids.

[00:32:09] I believe something else had a hand in it.

[00:32:12] I believe something else gave some kind of helping hand, in a way, if that's how you want to put it, to building those things.

[00:32:21] And they were aligned to star constellations as well.

[00:32:24] How does that work?

[00:32:26] Exactly.

[00:32:26] You know.

[00:32:27] I mean, there's no way to by accident.

[00:32:30] No way to by accident.

[00:32:32] No chance.

[00:32:35] We went a little bit off topic there.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:40] So you've done a lot of exploring and stuff.

[00:32:44] I've seen, obviously, on your Instagram they've been to a place you're called.

[00:32:48] Is it Meltonstone?

[00:32:50] Yeah.

[00:32:51] Yeah, Meltonstone.

[00:32:54] Meltonstone.

[00:32:54] So I've talked about this on other podcasts as well.

[00:32:58] I've been delving into this.

[00:33:00] I wish I'd never have heard the place now.

[00:33:04] I really do.

[00:33:04] Right.

[00:33:08] Because, so I call it Meltonstone because I don't want to give the proper name of the place away.

[00:33:17] Right.

[00:33:17] There's a couple of reasons.

[00:33:18] One, I don't want people descending on the place and causing havoc.

[00:33:24] I just don't.

[00:33:24] I don't want people going there thinking they can, you know, go on people's private property.

[00:33:31] When I've been to that area, to my knowledge, I've never been on private property, to my knowledge.

[00:33:36] Which is, and I don't want to cause issues there and to the surrounding places.

[00:33:42] But it's a very strange place, indeed, to say the least.

[00:33:47] Hmm.

[00:33:49] How did you come across it then?

[00:33:52] Can you tell us that?

[00:33:54] Yeah, yeah, of course.

[00:33:54] So, it's a long story, but I'll try and make it short.

[00:34:00] So, I was bouncing years ago at a nightclub in Huddersfield.

[00:34:06] And a friend of mine, who I'd not seen in ages, who was an ex-army lad, he'd come to the front door.

[00:34:12] And we'd not seen each other in a while.

[00:34:13] And we were just, as lads do, just shooting the shit.

[00:34:17] Yeah.

[00:34:19] Talking about where he'd been, what he'd been doing.

[00:34:21] And he, so I only remembered this when I'd got a message on Strange States about two and a half years ago.

[00:34:30] I'd only remembered that when I'd got the message from this person.

[00:34:34] I can't give the name of this person, but this person's message.

[00:34:36] So, what my mate actually said was, he went while camping.

[00:34:39] He went for a couple of days.

[00:34:42] He'd had an issue with his missus.

[00:34:44] And he'd gone off while camping.

[00:34:46] And he found a woodland in Yorkshire.

[00:34:50] And he stayed there.

[00:34:51] And he'd had a really bad experience there.

[00:34:53] And then my mate's not a wuss.

[00:34:55] He can handle himself.

[00:34:56] But even he said, I needed to leave.

[00:34:59] You know, the people there were just nutballs.

[00:35:03] For whatever reason, they didn't want me there.

[00:35:05] They were acting really weird.

[00:35:07] They'd been through his camp.

[00:35:08] He'd only been there six hours, seven hours.

[00:35:12] They'd wrecked his tent.

[00:35:13] They'd gone through all his stuff.

[00:35:15] He found a radio that they had left in his tent.

[00:35:20] Whether that was on purpose or not, I don't know.

[00:35:22] But on the radio, he heard them that they were coming back to check if he'd gone or to check where he was.

[00:35:28] And in no uncertain terms, if they'd find him, they were going to do some damage to him.

[00:35:33] You know, they were saying this on the radio.

[00:35:35] Yeah.

[00:35:36] So my mate's ex-army.

[00:35:39] I'm ex-army.

[00:35:40] So he knows how to handle himself.

[00:35:42] But he's thinking, I'm not going to fight 20-odd fucking people.

[00:35:45] Maybe I'm on private property.

[00:35:46] Maybe they're sick of people camping.

[00:35:48] My bad.

[00:35:49] Didn't know.

[00:35:50] He left the radio.

[00:35:51] They eventually came back, these people, looking around his camp.

[00:35:54] He was hidden.

[00:35:56] His car was parked on a roadway about maybe half a mile up the road.

[00:36:02] So he thought, I'm going to leave my stuff.

[00:36:04] I'm not interested in getting that back.

[00:36:06] I'm going to go straight to the car and get out of here.

[00:36:09] I might come back in the morning because it was dark by this time.

[00:36:12] Got back to his car.

[00:36:15] And there were two rabbit's heads cut off on his bonnet.

[00:36:21] Placed there.

[00:36:22] Two rabbit's head cut their own heads off and just jumped on his car.

[00:36:26] Yeah, no, definitely not.

[00:36:27] They'd been placed there.

[00:36:28] They'd been placed there.

[00:36:29] And he thought, this is absolutely madness.

[00:36:32] Gets in his car, goes off.

[00:36:35] And he doesn't come back the next day.

[00:36:38] He told me that he went back about a week later because he said to me he felt a bit like a wuss for leaving.

[00:36:49] Because he's a bit like me.

[00:36:51] He's got a bit of an hard head on him.

[00:36:52] And he wouldn't want to feel like they'd chased him off, if you know what I mean.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:56] So he comes back and he goes with a bit of a stubborn head on.

[00:37:02] And he thinks, well, if anyone's here, we're going to have a fight then.

[00:37:06] Because I want my stuff back.

[00:37:07] I want my tent back.

[00:37:08] I want my gear back.

[00:37:09] Anyway, he goes down to where his gear was.

[00:37:12] It was mostly gone and totally trashed.

[00:37:16] The bits that were left were trashed.

[00:37:18] So he thinks, I'm not having this.

[00:37:20] So he goes off a bit further into woodland.

[00:37:25] And he comes across.

[00:37:28] He said, and this is obviously, he told me this 18 years ago.

[00:37:36] So I'm trying to remember everything that he said.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] He said to me that he went into the woods and he saw like a burnt out bit of grass.

[00:37:47] And it was like an open bit to the woodland.

[00:37:49] And there were logs around, like seated logs around this burnt grass.

[00:37:56] And there was like a circle of trees around it as well.

[00:37:59] Not massive, but big enough.

[00:38:03] And he said as well that while he was there, he could see people in the tree line, like knocking about.

[00:38:10] And he thought, I think he thought, I've probably made a bit of a mistake here.

[00:38:16] If there's a bunch of them, I'm knackered and I can't fight 20 odd people if I'm trespassing again.

[00:38:23] So he hides in a bush or like a bit of shrubbery or whatever.

[00:38:27] And he sees people coming out of the tree line, carrying loads and loads of branches and like wood.

[00:38:34] And they're piling it on this burnt bit of grass.

[00:38:39] Which is odd in and of itself, a little bit, you'd think.

[00:38:44] But also, he said what was really odd was they weren't talking to each other.

[00:38:49] They weren't like saying, oh, you know, oh, that's a big pile of wood or whatever.

[00:38:53] He said they looked odd.

[00:38:54] They looked like they were like worker ants.

[00:38:58] Go and get the wood, put it on the fire.

[00:39:00] Go and get the wood, put it on the fire.

[00:39:02] And he said he was watching them for about 10 minutes.

[00:39:04] And there was men, women, kids doing it, bringing all this wood.

[00:39:08] And they weren't talking.

[00:39:09] They were just piling this wood on.

[00:39:10] And he said he felt a bit freaked out by it.

[00:39:15] And he said it was at that point he thought, I've got to get out of here because this is oddball stuff.

[00:39:20] Anyway, he went and that were it.

[00:39:22] He got in his car and went off.

[00:39:25] I'd not thought about that for years, for years.

[00:39:29] He told me where the place was because he said if ever you're up that way, don't take your tent.

[00:39:34] Don't take your gear.

[00:39:36] You know, you'll lose it.

[00:39:38] Yeah.

[00:39:38] I thought fair play.

[00:39:39] Okay.

[00:39:40] So fast forward to about two and a half years ago, I get a message on strange states because I put some stuff on about people disappearing on the missing 411.

[00:39:52] I don't know whether you've heard of that.

[00:39:54] Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:56] It's quite a famous mystery that's going off in America.

[00:40:00] Yeah.

[00:40:02] So I was interested in that and I put that on.

[00:40:05] And this message was from a lass and she told me about a place where she used to live next to that had disappearances, that people were acting really weird around there.

[00:40:18] And she told me the name of it.

[00:40:20] The name of this place was exactly the same.

[00:40:22] And as soon as I read the name, I thought, to me mates, that's where my mate was.

[00:40:28] That's really strange.

[00:40:29] And I've not spoken to my mate in a long, long time because I don't live around there no more.

[00:40:35] But I read through what she said.

[00:40:37] I eventually ended up speaking to her.

[00:40:39] She told me some weird stuff that had gone on with her sister, got followed by some blokes that was in the woods.

[00:40:49] She also told me about a boyfriend who his car had broken down right in the village bit of where this woodland is.

[00:41:00] And so his car had broken down outside.

[00:41:04] I don't know whether you call it a pub.

[00:41:09] It's really hard to explain.

[00:41:10] It wasn't like a pub that would be a normal pub where you and me might go and you would be welcomed.

[00:41:17] It was like a private, looked like a private place.

[00:41:21] But she said he broke down outside of there.

[00:41:23] He was going through this village.

[00:41:25] The car had broken down.

[00:41:26] He was outside.

[00:41:26] He was on the phone to his missus.

[00:41:29] He said, look, my car's knackered.

[00:41:32] Out the blue, bunch of blokes turn up.

[00:41:35] Without even asking, they start pushing his car.

[00:41:40] They start pushing his car away from this building.

[00:41:43] And he's saying, oh, you're going to give me a bump start or whatever?

[00:41:46] Or can you help me?

[00:41:47] No one talked to him.

[00:41:49] He was backed off.

[00:41:51] They were steering his car out of the village and pushing it out of the village.

[00:41:57] And she said that he said they must have pushed it a good 200 or 300 metres out of the village until he was out of that area.

[00:42:08] And then they just walked off.

[00:42:10] They pushed it and they walked off.

[00:42:12] And he couldn't explain it.

[00:42:13] And he'd been on the phone to the RIC or the AA.

[00:42:16] And he had to say, look, I'm not there anymore.

[00:42:19] I mean, this bit of, I've just had a weird experience.

[00:42:22] The blokes, no one talked to me.

[00:42:24] They pushed the car out.

[00:42:27] But very strange.

[00:42:28] Very odd.

[00:42:29] And then I started doing a bit of digging about the place.

[00:42:32] And it all went from there.

[00:42:34] I mean, I found out some real oddball stuff about the place.

[00:42:41] It's, you know, it's our own little movie.

[00:42:45] Do you know what I mean?

[00:42:46] It sounds like something like The Hills of Eyes.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:52] Yeah, it does, I suppose.

[00:42:53] Yeah.

[00:42:55] Yeah.

[00:42:55] That is absolutely crazy.

[00:42:58] Like, that's just...

[00:43:02] I'm speechless.

[00:43:03] That's just...

[00:43:04] I can't even think of what to say about that.

[00:43:07] That's just absolutely mind-blowing.

[00:43:09] Like I said, that literally sounds like a film.

[00:43:15] I mean, who does this with me now,

[00:43:17] who joined Strange Dates a year ago, Paul.

[00:43:21] But we've had other experiences.

[00:43:23] So we went.

[00:43:24] We've been five times to this place.

[00:43:26] Because my brain thinks,

[00:43:29] well, I want to see this place.

[00:43:30] It can't be as bad as it sounds.

[00:43:33] And the experiences that we've had there

[00:43:37] have set my spider sense going as well.

[00:43:39] So we've had...

[00:43:41] So one of the experiences I've spoken to

[00:43:43] with this lass and a sister,

[00:43:45] there was a lot of...

[00:43:47] And a guy...

[00:43:47] I'm actually interviewing a guy tomorrow.

[00:43:50] I've been trying to talk to this lad for ages.

[00:43:54] And I've tried to persuade him

[00:43:55] to come on to something like this

[00:43:58] where we can have just a little chat

[00:43:59] and he can talk about his experiences

[00:44:01] and I can put it on Strange Dates

[00:44:03] and see what people think.

[00:44:04] We're going to keep it, you know,

[00:44:07] on the level as well

[00:44:08] where we're keeping some privacy

[00:44:10] for the place as well.

[00:44:11] I think that's really important.

[00:44:14] But his experiences...

[00:44:17] I mean, I don't want to give to...

[00:44:18] Well, I will.

[00:44:18] I'll give you a bit of an exclusive.

[00:44:20] I will, of course.

[00:44:22] So tomorrow, we're going to be talking

[00:44:23] about his experiences when he was there.

[00:44:25] He lost a dog there.

[00:44:26] He had a dog called Bella.

[00:44:29] And so what happened was

[00:44:30] him and his girlfriend

[00:44:31] were renting a cottage

[00:44:34] that was on the outskirts of this village

[00:44:36] and on the outskirts of this woodland.

[00:44:39] And first few weeks, fantastic.

[00:44:42] Everything's going well.

[00:44:42] He's got a job.

[00:44:43] She's found a job.

[00:44:44] Everything's going unkydory.

[00:44:47] Cottage is on its own.

[00:44:49] It's of a really affordable

[00:44:51] and reasonable rent.

[00:44:56] He said to me, like,

[00:44:57] the estate agent couldn't wait

[00:44:58] to give it to us, like.

[00:45:00] Any problems you've got,

[00:45:01] please come to us.

[00:45:02] No problem whatsoever.

[00:45:04] The dog goes missing.

[00:45:05] His dog goes missing

[00:45:07] after two weeks of being there.

[00:45:09] His missus said,

[00:45:10] the dog ran out the door,

[00:45:11] jumped over the back wall,

[00:45:12] over the field,

[00:45:13] and into this woodland.

[00:45:15] Not to be seen again.

[00:45:16] Never seen again.

[00:45:18] The collar of this dog

[00:45:20] turns up a week later

[00:45:23] on their doorstep,

[00:45:25] fully fastened,

[00:45:27] but cut.

[00:45:28] So the collar's cut,

[00:45:30] but the buckle's still attached.

[00:45:33] This dog's called Bella.

[00:45:34] It was a,

[00:45:35] I think he said it was a Labrador.

[00:45:37] And he'd had this dog ages,

[00:45:39] obviously loved the dog,

[00:45:40] was distraught.

[00:45:41] He'd gone into the woods

[00:45:44] when he got back from work

[00:45:46] and his missus said

[00:45:47] the dog ran off.

[00:45:48] He'd gone into the woods himself

[00:45:49] for a couple of hours

[00:45:50] until it went dark.

[00:45:52] He heard barking.

[00:45:54] He heard it.

[00:45:56] Now, I mean,

[00:45:56] shouting the dog,

[00:45:57] you know,

[00:45:58] Bella, come back.

[00:45:59] Dog was nowhere to be seen.

[00:46:01] So he was really frustrated,

[00:46:02] obviously upset.

[00:46:05] Gets the collar back.

[00:46:07] And now he's thinking,

[00:46:08] either someone's killed the dog

[00:46:09] or someone's nicked the dog.

[00:46:12] When he's told his workmates,

[00:46:14] because he was,

[00:46:15] he did stuff on roads,

[00:46:16] I think.

[00:46:16] He was like,

[00:46:17] he did road surfacing.

[00:46:18] When he told his mates

[00:46:20] who he'd been working with

[00:46:21] about where he was living

[00:46:23] and losing his dog,

[00:46:24] one of them said to him,

[00:46:26] you didn't go in them woods,

[00:46:27] did you?

[00:46:27] You know,

[00:46:28] in that area.

[00:46:29] And he said,

[00:46:30] yeah, yeah,

[00:46:30] went looking for the dog.

[00:46:31] He said,

[00:46:32] do not go in those woods.

[00:46:33] No one round here

[00:46:34] goes in them woods.

[00:46:36] It's like an unwritten rule.

[00:46:38] None of the kids

[00:46:39] go in the woods.

[00:46:40] None of the adults

[00:46:41] go in the woods.

[00:46:42] If your dog's running off

[00:46:44] into their,

[00:46:44] you know,

[00:46:45] with their best will in the world,

[00:46:47] unlucky,

[00:46:48] the dog needs to

[00:46:49] be where it is.

[00:46:51] That's just one of the stories

[00:46:53] that he told me,

[00:46:55] but it got a lot worse for them.

[00:46:57] It got a lot worse

[00:46:58] for them while they were living there.

[00:46:59] So we've been there,

[00:47:01] me and my mate,

[00:47:03] and we've heard,

[00:47:05] and we've,

[00:47:06] we've,

[00:47:06] we've done this live.

[00:47:08] We've been in that woodland

[00:47:09] live,

[00:47:10] um,

[00:47:11] last,

[00:47:12] beginning of this year

[00:47:13] we were there

[00:47:14] live.

[00:47:15] And you could hear the drumming.

[00:47:16] There was drumming

[00:47:17] in,

[00:47:18] in the woodland

[00:47:18] and not like a woodpecker maybe

[00:47:20] or branches falling

[00:47:23] or some of the things

[00:47:24] you hear in the woods.

[00:47:25] It was rhythmic

[00:47:26] drumming

[00:47:27] and we,

[00:47:28] we couldn't tell

[00:47:28] where it was coming from.

[00:47:30] We didn't know

[00:47:31] who was there

[00:47:32] and about 100 meters,

[00:47:34] well,

[00:47:34] the last time we went

[00:47:35] about 100 meters

[00:47:36] in front of us

[00:47:37] while hearing this drumming

[00:47:39] and I know it sounds,

[00:47:40] this sounds far-fetched

[00:47:42] as hell

[00:47:42] I know it does,

[00:47:43] but we saw

[00:47:45] a group of people

[00:47:47] in the tree line

[00:47:48] just walking

[00:47:49] in single foil

[00:47:52] just walking

[00:47:53] through the tree line

[00:47:54] and there was about

[00:47:56] 15 or 20 of them.

[00:47:58] All different people.

[00:47:59] They weren't dressed in capes

[00:48:00] and stuff like that.

[00:48:01] They were dressed in normal gear.

[00:48:04] But what struck me

[00:48:05] was something

[00:48:06] that my mate said

[00:48:07] back when I was on the doors

[00:48:09] when he was,

[00:48:12] when he told me about

[00:48:13] when those people

[00:48:14] were putting the wood

[00:48:15] on the fire.

[00:48:15] They weren't talking.

[00:48:17] They weren't talking.

[00:48:18] I was watching them.

[00:48:19] Me and Paul

[00:48:20] were watching them

[00:48:21] and they were there

[00:48:22] for about a minute

[00:48:24] walking through

[00:48:25] and not one of them

[00:48:25] said a word to each other.

[00:48:28] Not one of them said,

[00:48:29] they weren't even

[00:48:30] looking over the shoulder.

[00:48:31] We're going this way.

[00:48:32] We're going that way.

[00:48:33] Do you know what I mean?

[00:48:34] And it just looked odd.

[00:48:38] Very strange.

[00:48:39] Very strange.

[00:48:40] Yeah, that's,

[00:48:42] again,

[00:48:43] I'm just sort of

[00:48:44] speechless again,

[00:48:45] but like you said,

[00:48:45] with the dog there

[00:48:46] and like you said,

[00:48:47] the fact that the collar

[00:48:48] then has been left

[00:48:48] on the doorstep,

[00:48:49] that's just sort of like,

[00:48:51] it's a bit sick and twisted

[00:48:52] really,

[00:48:53] isn't it?

[00:48:54] You were telling

[00:48:54] that then again

[00:48:55] getting bloody goosebumps

[00:48:56] here again.

[00:48:56] It's just definitely

[00:48:58] a strange one.

[00:48:59] But I've seen your video

[00:49:01] on your Instagram,

[00:49:03] obviously live

[00:49:04] that you posted

[00:49:05] where you're talking

[00:49:05] about obviously

[00:49:06] the drumming and stuff

[00:49:07] and you can't hear it

[00:49:08] in the background.

[00:49:11] I'm sure whether

[00:49:12] the camera picked it up.

[00:49:13] And I'm one of the

[00:49:15] biggest sceptics going.

[00:49:16] So again,

[00:49:18] in my head,

[00:49:18] I'm trying to rationalise it

[00:49:19] because we've heard it

[00:49:20] more than once

[00:49:21] when we've been there

[00:49:24] and Paul,

[00:49:25] who was behind me

[00:49:26] at the time,

[00:49:27] wasn't there on his drum.

[00:49:28] Do you know what I mean?

[00:49:29] It wasn't like,

[00:49:30] it wasn't like

[00:49:32] he was playing

[00:49:32] the orchestral theme

[00:49:34] behind me

[00:49:35] off his bloody iPhone.

[00:49:36] It was drumming

[00:49:38] that you could tell

[00:49:39] it was within

[00:49:40] the woodland.

[00:49:42] It wasn't like,

[00:49:43] there was a couple

[00:49:44] of people who said,

[00:49:45] it's,

[00:49:46] you know,

[00:49:48] it could be like

[00:49:49] you're playing something

[00:49:50] on a speaker

[00:49:52] or something

[00:49:53] next to it

[00:49:53] and I thought,

[00:49:55] I ain't got the energy

[00:49:56] to do it.

[00:49:57] I ain't got the time

[00:49:58] or the inclination

[00:49:59] to be going off

[00:50:00] because it's about

[00:50:01] an hour away

[00:50:01] from where we are

[00:50:02] and to be doing that.

[00:50:04] If it was like,

[00:50:06] I suppose you could

[00:50:07] think to yourself,

[00:50:08] if we were earning

[00:50:09] money off it,

[00:50:09] if it was like

[00:50:10] anything like that,

[00:50:11] there'd be a reason

[00:50:12] to do it,

[00:50:13] but we're not.

[00:50:14] And we're quite

[00:50:15] busy people.

[00:50:16] I work.

[00:50:17] My mate's retired

[00:50:18] but he's busy.

[00:50:21] So, like,

[00:50:23] it annoyed me

[00:50:24] a little bit that.

[00:50:25] I know that people

[00:50:26] are sceptical,

[00:50:26] I know that.

[00:50:27] That's fine

[00:50:28] because I'm the same.

[00:50:29] But the stuff

[00:50:30] that we've seen,

[00:50:31] there were,

[00:50:32] the first time

[00:50:33] we went there,

[00:50:34] there were symbols

[00:50:35] on the trees.

[00:50:36] There were painted

[00:50:39] symbols on the trees,

[00:50:40] triangles,

[00:50:41] with lines through them

[00:50:42] facing up

[00:50:43] and facing down.

[00:50:44] We found,

[00:50:45] the first time

[00:50:46] we went,

[00:50:47] a plank of wood

[00:50:48] that looked

[00:50:49] donkey's years old

[00:50:51] with Latin writing

[00:50:53] on it.

[00:50:54] I have no idea

[00:50:55] what it said

[00:50:56] but we were live

[00:50:57] at the time

[00:50:58] when we found it.

[00:50:59] It was next to,

[00:51:00] like,

[00:51:00] a fallen tree

[00:51:02] with,

[00:51:03] there was a few

[00:51:03] of these trees

[00:51:04] around,

[00:51:04] have these symbols

[00:51:05] on.

[00:51:07] I spelt out,

[00:51:08] because I don't

[00:51:08] read Latin,

[00:51:09] but I spelt out

[00:51:10] what it said

[00:51:10] and someone

[00:51:11] on the live

[00:51:12] said it talked

[00:51:13] about blood

[00:51:14] and stuff like that

[00:51:15] and God

[00:51:16] and I thought,

[00:51:17] what?

[00:51:17] Sling that.

[00:51:18] I'm off,

[00:51:20] you know,

[00:51:20] they sent for me

[00:51:21] this.

[00:51:22] I'm not,

[00:51:23] I don't want to be

[00:51:23] messing in stuff

[00:51:24] that's,

[00:51:28] I don't want to say

[00:51:29] a lot of paranormal

[00:51:30] but like,

[00:51:31] weird culty type

[00:51:32] stuff.

[00:51:33] I'm not really

[00:51:33] interested in doing

[00:51:34] that.

[00:51:35] I don't want to get

[00:51:35] involved in that.

[00:51:37] But that seemed

[00:51:38] to be what was

[00:51:39] going off

[00:51:39] and I've researched

[00:51:41] stuff about the

[00:51:42] place and there was

[00:51:43] a lot of bad

[00:51:44] history of the

[00:51:44] place.

[00:51:45] There's a lot of

[00:51:46] different stories

[00:51:47] about why that

[00:51:49] place is the way

[00:51:50] it is.

[00:51:50] I don't know

[00:51:50] how true it is.

[00:51:52] I mean,

[00:51:52] it's stuff that I'm

[00:51:53] going to share

[00:51:54] with strange states

[00:51:54] over the next

[00:51:55] few months

[00:51:56] but it's,

[00:51:57] it's an odd

[00:51:58] ball place.

[00:51:58] It really is.

[00:52:00] Yeah,

[00:52:00] it definitely

[00:52:01] sounds like,

[00:52:01] and like you said,

[00:52:02] it does sound

[00:52:03] like it's some

[00:52:03] sort of cult

[00:52:05] that's going on

[00:52:06] there more than

[00:52:07] anything to do

[00:52:08] with the paranormal

[00:52:09] sort of thing.

[00:52:11] But that's just

[00:52:12] crazy.

[00:52:13] Like I said,

[00:52:13] I mean,

[00:52:13] obviously people

[00:52:14] are commenting

[00:52:14] and saying that

[00:52:15] you've got speakers

[00:52:16] and stuff and

[00:52:16] like you said,

[00:52:17] you don't make

[00:52:18] any money from it.

[00:52:18] I mean,

[00:52:21] you've got no,

[00:52:22] like why would

[00:52:22] you drive,

[00:52:23] like I said,

[00:52:23] an hour away

[00:52:24] in the woods

[00:52:25] at God knows

[00:52:26] what time of

[00:52:27] night and

[00:52:28] do that.

[00:52:30] I don't understand

[00:52:31] some people at

[00:52:32] times but.

[00:52:33] I mean,

[00:52:34] I can understand

[00:52:35] it to a certain

[00:52:36] degree because,

[00:52:36] you know,

[00:52:37] maybe people

[00:52:38] don't know your

[00:52:38] background,

[00:52:39] they don't know

[00:52:39] why you do

[00:52:40] stuff.

[00:52:41] I've got no

[00:52:41] inclination of

[00:52:43] doing that.

[00:52:45] And if I did,

[00:52:46] I'd make a story

[00:52:48] out of it and

[00:52:48] I'd write a script

[00:52:49] and I'd send it

[00:52:50] off to a,

[00:52:51] you know,

[00:52:51] that's what I'd

[00:52:52] do.

[00:52:52] This is something

[00:52:55] that we've

[00:52:55] stumbled across

[00:52:57] really,

[00:52:58] that I've

[00:52:58] stumbled across

[00:52:59] and it's odd

[00:53:00] and it's strange

[00:53:01] and it's,

[00:53:02] I mean,

[00:53:03] we saw dead

[00:53:04] rabbits there,

[00:53:05] me,

[00:53:05] me,

[00:53:05] mate.

[00:53:06] I put

[00:53:07] foul tails on

[00:53:08] Australian states.

[00:53:09] There was a rabbit

[00:53:10] nailed to a post

[00:53:10] on the entrance of

[00:53:12] the place,

[00:53:13] nailed to it.

[00:53:15] He's dead.

[00:53:16] There was another

[00:53:17] one dead just up

[00:53:18] the road,

[00:53:18] left on the

[00:53:19] pathway.

[00:53:20] Like,

[00:53:21] not left as in

[00:53:22] just chucked on

[00:53:22] the side,

[00:53:23] placed there.

[00:53:25] We've seen,

[00:53:26] when we've been

[00:53:27] through there,

[00:53:27] we've seen

[00:53:28] shoes,

[00:53:29] not just like

[00:53:30] shoes thrown

[00:53:31] away and

[00:53:31] trans thrown

[00:53:32] away,

[00:53:33] neatly placed

[00:53:34] to the

[00:53:35] side of the

[00:53:36] path.

[00:53:36] And not just

[00:53:37] one pair,

[00:53:38] six or seven

[00:53:38] pairs,

[00:53:39] kids shoes,

[00:53:40] adult shoes.

[00:53:41] We've seen

[00:53:44] people's

[00:53:45] belongings,

[00:53:46] everywhere.

[00:53:47] And when you

[00:53:48] look at the

[00:53:48] area of where

[00:53:50] it is and

[00:53:50] then you try

[00:53:50] and work

[00:53:51] out people

[00:53:52] who've gone

[00:53:52] missing in

[00:53:53] those areas,

[00:53:54] it sort of

[00:53:55] ties together.

[00:53:56] It sort of

[00:53:58] brings the

[00:53:59] thing to

[00:54:00] like a central

[00:54:00] point.

[00:54:02] Now,

[00:54:02] you can't

[00:54:03] prove anything.

[00:54:04] You can't.

[00:54:06] And like

[00:54:07] people say,

[00:54:07] well,

[00:54:08] surely the

[00:54:08] police have

[00:54:09] seen this

[00:54:09] place.

[00:54:10] Well,

[00:54:11] the interview

[00:54:11] that I'm going

[00:54:11] to do tomorrow

[00:54:12] with a guy

[00:54:12] who was there,

[00:54:13] who lived

[00:54:14] there,

[00:54:14] I think he

[00:54:14] lived there

[00:54:15] for over a

[00:54:15] year or

[00:54:16] just under

[00:54:16] a year.

[00:54:17] I said to

[00:54:18] him,

[00:54:18] did you

[00:54:18] contact the

[00:54:19] police about

[00:54:19] any of

[00:54:19] this?

[00:54:20] Did you

[00:54:22] mention it

[00:54:22] to the

[00:54:23] police?

[00:54:23] Did you,

[00:54:23] you know,

[00:54:24] when your

[00:54:24] dog went

[00:54:24] missing,

[00:54:25] because they

[00:54:26] had dead

[00:54:27] rabbits in

[00:54:27] their garden

[00:54:28] and they

[00:54:28] had washing

[00:54:29] nicked and

[00:54:30] the windows

[00:54:31] put in.

[00:54:31] I said,

[00:54:32] did you

[00:54:32] contact the

[00:54:33] police?

[00:54:33] He said,

[00:54:33] yeah,

[00:54:33] they were

[00:54:33] useless.

[00:54:35] Absolutely

[00:54:35] useless.

[00:54:38] I think

[00:54:38] one time

[00:54:39] they came

[00:54:46] there's no

[00:54:47] way you

[00:54:47] can get

[00:54:48] any kind

[00:54:48] of satisfaction

[00:54:49] from the

[00:54:49] police

[00:54:49] unless

[00:54:50] someone

[00:54:50] gets

[00:54:51] really

[00:54:51] inked.

[00:54:52] And even

[00:54:53] then,

[00:54:54] you know,

[00:54:54] you're up

[00:54:55] against

[00:54:56] coppers not

[00:54:57] wanting to

[00:54:57] do the job

[00:54:57] properly,

[00:54:58] really.

[00:54:59] so,

[00:54:59] you know,

[00:55:00] it's an

[00:55:00] interesting one

[00:55:01] but it's

[00:55:01] a strange

[00:55:02] one as

[00:55:03] well.

[00:55:05] Yeah,

[00:55:05] that's

[00:55:06] definitely a

[00:55:07] strange one.

[00:55:08] Just because

[00:55:09] we spoke

[00:55:10] about,

[00:55:10] obviously,

[00:55:10] how you

[00:55:11] feel when

[00:55:11] you're in

[00:55:12] certain

[00:55:12] places and

[00:55:13] obviously

[00:55:13] how you

[00:55:13] felt when

[00:55:14] you were

[00:55:14] in a

[00:55:14] 30-year

[00:55:15] drive,

[00:55:15] how do

[00:55:16] you feel

[00:55:17] when you're

[00:55:17] there?

[00:55:17] Do you

[00:55:18] have any

[00:55:18] sort of

[00:55:19] bad

[00:55:19] feelings?

[00:55:20] Do you

[00:55:20] feel at

[00:55:21] ease?

[00:55:23] I feel

[00:55:24] like I

[00:55:25] shouldn't be

[00:55:25] there.

[00:55:26] I get

[00:55:27] like an

[00:55:28] intuition

[00:55:28] of when

[00:55:30] I'm there,

[00:55:31] I can't

[00:55:31] speak for

[00:55:31] Paul because

[00:55:32] he said the

[00:55:35] same kind

[00:55:36] of thing but

[00:55:36] when I've

[00:55:37] been there,

[00:55:38] I've felt

[00:55:38] when it's

[00:55:39] got dark

[00:55:39] and stuff

[00:55:40] because I

[00:55:41] still don't

[00:55:42] know the

[00:55:42] ins and

[00:55:42] outs of

[00:55:42] the place.

[00:55:43] You can

[00:55:43] get very

[00:55:44] lost in

[00:55:44] them woods.

[00:55:45] It's a

[00:55:45] huge woodland

[00:55:46] and it's

[00:55:47] got fields

[00:55:48] around it

[00:55:48] and stuff.

[00:55:49] You can

[00:55:49] get lost

[00:55:49] and there's

[00:55:50] not much

[00:55:50] around there.

[00:55:51] There are

[00:55:51] houses or

[00:55:53] farms you

[00:55:54] could say

[00:55:56] and there's

[00:55:56] a tiny

[00:55:57] village centre

[00:55:59] you might

[00:55:59] call it but

[00:56:00] it's not

[00:56:00] a village.

[00:56:01] I don't

[00:56:02] feel scared

[00:56:03] there but

[00:56:04] I do feel

[00:56:05] apprehensive about

[00:56:06] being there for

[00:56:07] too long because

[00:56:08] we take some

[00:56:09] gear with us,

[00:56:09] we take filming

[00:56:10] stuff.

[00:56:13] I've never

[00:56:13] seen anyone

[00:56:14] in there that

[00:56:15] we can go up

[00:56:17] to and talk

[00:56:18] to.

[00:56:19] I've never

[00:56:19] seen, although

[00:56:20] the line of

[00:56:21] people I suppose

[00:56:21] we could have

[00:56:22] done but I

[00:56:23] didn't feel

[00:56:23] comfortable doing

[00:56:24] it because there

[00:56:25] was a lot of

[00:56:25] them.

[00:56:27] I've just

[00:56:28] got this

[00:56:28] intuition of

[00:56:30] we'll just

[00:56:30] stay back

[00:56:31] here, they

[00:56:31] ain't seen

[00:56:32] us, we've

[00:56:32] seen them,

[00:56:33] we'll let

[00:56:33] them get on

[00:56:34] with whatever

[00:56:35] they're doing,

[00:56:35] we'll observe

[00:56:36] them as long

[00:56:38] as they're

[00:56:38] going that

[00:56:38] way and

[00:56:39] we're here

[00:56:40] that's okay.

[00:56:41] Maybe if

[00:56:42] there was

[00:56:42] someone in

[00:56:43] the woods

[00:56:43] walking the

[00:56:44] dog, maybe

[00:56:47] or even

[00:56:48] just skulking

[00:56:48] around, I

[00:56:49] probably would

[00:56:50] have approached

[00:56:51] them and

[00:56:51] said are

[00:56:51] you okay

[00:56:52] mate, can

[00:56:53] have a chat

[00:56:53] with you

[00:56:54] about the

[00:56:54] woods, is

[00:56:55] anything we

[00:56:56] should know

[00:56:56] about the

[00:56:56] place, I

[00:56:57] would do

[00:56:58] that but

[00:56:58] I've never

[00:56:59] really felt

[00:57:00] scared of

[00:57:01] being there

[00:57:02] I've got to

[00:57:02] say.

[00:57:04] Would you

[00:57:05] ever say

[00:57:05] especially when

[00:57:06] it gets

[00:57:06] dark because

[00:57:07] obviously

[00:57:08] these people

[00:57:08] over there

[00:57:09] clearly know

[00:57:10] the way around

[00:57:12] and I

[00:57:12] think you

[00:57:13] can always

[00:57:13] tell, do

[00:57:14] you ever

[00:57:14] get the

[00:57:14] feeling that

[00:57:14] you're being

[00:57:15] watched at

[00:57:15] all?

[00:57:22] Five times

[00:57:23] now, I

[00:57:23] think the

[00:57:23] second or

[00:57:24] third time

[00:57:24] we went

[00:57:24] then it was

[00:57:27] pitch black,

[00:57:28] it was

[00:57:28] really dark

[00:57:29] and I was

[00:57:30] conscious of

[00:57:31] the fact that

[00:57:31] we had

[00:57:31] torches and

[00:57:33] I was

[00:57:33] conscious of

[00:57:34] the fact that

[00:57:34] we were

[00:57:34] hearing stuff,

[00:57:36] maybe it

[00:57:36] was a bit

[00:57:37] more of a

[00:57:37] heightened

[00:57:38] awareness

[00:57:38] thing but

[00:57:39] I was

[00:57:39] conscious of

[00:57:40] the fact that

[00:57:41] we were

[00:57:41] hearing people

[00:57:42] in the woods

[00:57:42] and it was

[00:57:43] about 11

[00:57:44] o'clock at

[00:57:44] night and

[00:57:45] in my head

[00:57:46] I'm kicking

[00:57:46] myself thinking

[00:57:47] why do we

[00:57:48] stay here

[00:57:48] this late,

[00:57:49] why?

[00:57:50] I mean I

[00:57:51] can have a

[00:57:51] fight with

[00:57:51] the best

[00:57:52] of them,

[00:57:52] I'm not

[00:57:52] scared but

[00:57:54] I'm not

[00:57:54] stupid

[00:57:54] either,

[00:57:55] I'm not

[00:57:56] daft enough

[00:57:56] to think I'm

[00:57:57] fighting off

[00:57:57] five lads

[00:57:58] with bats

[00:57:59] or axes

[00:58:00] or weapons

[00:58:01] and stuff

[00:58:01] for the

[00:58:02] simple fact

[00:58:03] we're in a

[00:58:03] place where

[00:58:04] they don't

[00:58:04] want us to

[00:58:05] be.

[00:58:09] We did

[00:58:10] hear people

[00:58:12] mooching about

[00:58:12] and it

[00:58:13] wasn't animals

[00:58:14] and we kept

[00:58:15] turning the

[00:58:15] lights off

[00:58:16] because I'm

[00:58:17] ex-army,

[00:58:18] the first

[00:58:18] thing you do

[00:58:19] is dim

[00:58:19] all lights.

[00:58:20] If you've

[00:58:20] got threats

[00:58:21] around you,

[00:58:21] dim all

[00:58:22] lights and

[00:58:23] you try and

[00:58:23] see what you

[00:58:23] can see.

[00:58:24] Obviously

[00:58:25] now modern

[00:58:25] day army

[00:58:26] you've got

[00:58:26] optics but

[00:58:27] back then

[00:58:28] it was

[00:58:28] just

[00:58:28] instinct

[00:58:29] and that's

[00:58:30] what you

[00:58:30] can revert

[00:58:31] back to.

[00:58:33] But a

[00:58:33] couple of

[00:58:33] times I

[00:58:34] felt like

[00:58:35] things could

[00:58:36] especially

[00:58:37] then it

[00:58:37] probably could

[00:58:38] have gone

[00:58:38] pear-shaped

[00:58:39] because

[00:58:42] we did

[00:58:43] hear stuff,

[00:58:44] we did

[00:58:44] hear people

[00:58:44] there.

[00:58:49] Interesting.

[00:58:49] Interesting.

[00:58:50] Just to

[00:58:51] finish off

[00:58:52] on that

[00:58:53] do you

[00:58:53] have any

[00:58:54] plans to

[00:58:54] go back

[00:58:54] there

[00:58:55] anytime

[00:58:55] soon?

[00:58:58] I think

[00:58:59] we went

[00:58:59] there a

[00:58:59] couple of

[00:59:00] weeks ago.

[00:59:01] I think it

[00:59:02] was a

[00:59:02] couple of

[00:59:02] weeks ago

[00:59:02] now.

[00:59:04] I've not

[00:59:04] got any

[00:59:05] plans to

[00:59:05] go back

[00:59:06] there as

[00:59:07] yet.

[00:59:08] Paul tends

[00:59:09] to follow

[00:59:09] more lead

[00:59:10] with stuff

[00:59:10] like your

[00:59:11] Foss

[00:59:11] IR.

[00:59:12] We'll be

[00:59:13] there this

[00:59:13] week.

[00:59:14] We went

[00:59:15] to

[00:59:15] Rendlesham

[00:59:15] as well

[00:59:17] last year

[00:59:17] to have

[00:59:18] a look

[00:59:18] round

[00:59:19] which was

[00:59:19] really

[00:59:19] interesting.

[00:59:22] We've

[00:59:23] come back

[00:59:23] from

[00:59:23] Loughlin

[00:59:24] as well

[00:59:24] which is

[00:59:25] a nice

[00:59:25] area but

[00:59:26] there's

[00:59:26] all sorts

[00:59:27] of stuff

[00:59:27] up there

[00:59:27] we've

[00:59:27] been

[00:59:27] filming.

[00:59:30] I've

[00:59:30] got no

[00:59:31] plans to

[00:59:33] really go

[00:59:34] back

[00:59:36] in the

[00:59:37] next couple

[00:59:37] of months.

[00:59:39] It depends.

[00:59:41] I'm interviewing

[00:59:42] this guy

[00:59:43] tomorrow.

[00:59:43] his

[00:59:44] experiences

[00:59:45] and maybe

[00:59:46] whatever the

[00:59:47] people comment

[00:59:47] and stuff

[00:59:48] we might

[00:59:49] go back.

[00:59:50] We might

[00:59:50] do.

[00:59:51] I don't

[00:59:51] know.

[00:59:52] I think

[00:59:52] I'd be

[00:59:53] too

[00:59:55] intrigued.

[00:59:55] I'd want

[00:59:56] to be

[00:59:56] there as

[00:59:57] much as

[00:59:57] possible.

[00:59:58] Even though

[00:59:59] I knew

[00:59:59] I'd be

[00:59:59] bloody

[01:00:00] petrified.

[01:00:00] Even in

[01:00:01] the woods

[01:00:01] near my

[01:00:02] house.

[01:00:02] I was

[01:00:04] shitting

[01:00:04] myself.

[01:00:07] Intrigue

[01:00:08] gets the

[01:00:08] best of

[01:00:08] me.

[01:00:12] We've

[01:00:12] been about

[01:00:13] five times

[01:00:13] there.

[01:00:17] I suppose

[01:00:18] it's

[01:00:19] difficult

[01:00:20] because

[01:00:22] the place

[01:00:22] is big.

[01:00:23] The place

[01:00:23] is a

[01:00:24] really big

[01:00:25] area.

[01:00:26] To walk

[01:00:27] around it

[01:00:27] properly

[01:00:28] probably

[01:00:28] take you

[01:00:29] a few

[01:00:31] days to

[01:00:32] actually look

[01:00:32] around

[01:00:32] everywhere.

[01:00:35] Obviously

[01:00:35] we're busy

[01:00:36] people as

[01:00:36] well.

[01:00:37] We've got

[01:00:37] lives of our

[01:00:38] own.

[01:00:39] We've

[01:00:40] talked about

[01:00:42] camping

[01:00:42] there but

[01:00:43] I thought

[01:00:43] I think

[01:00:46] it would

[01:00:47] be a

[01:00:47] push too

[01:00:48] far.

[01:00:50] Every time

[01:00:51] I've gone

[01:00:51] there we've

[01:00:53] had a route

[01:00:54] out.

[01:00:56] We can get

[01:00:56] out and

[01:00:57] get onto

[01:00:57] a road

[01:00:58] and out.

[01:01:03] it's a

[01:01:03] difficult

[01:01:04] one for

[01:01:04] that

[01:01:04] place.

[01:01:06] It

[01:01:06] certainly

[01:01:07] makes for

[01:01:08] a good

[01:01:08] video

[01:01:09] if you

[01:01:09] were

[01:01:10] camping

[01:01:10] there

[01:01:10] over

[01:01:10] now.

[01:01:13] We've

[01:01:14] talked about

[01:01:15] doing a

[01:01:15] documentary

[01:01:15] about the

[01:01:16] thing

[01:01:17] which I

[01:01:18] think we

[01:01:19] probably

[01:01:19] could do

[01:01:20] and get

[01:01:20] on YouTube

[01:01:21] and see

[01:01:21] what people

[01:01:22] think.

[01:01:22] I don't

[01:01:24] want people

[01:01:26] this sounds

[01:01:27] really daft

[01:01:27] because people

[01:01:28] do know

[01:01:28] where it

[01:01:28] is

[01:01:30] and the

[01:01:31] two

[01:01:31] people

[01:01:32] who

[01:01:32] contacted

[01:01:32] me on

[01:01:33] Instagram

[01:01:34] know where

[01:01:34] it is.

[01:01:35] I'm not

[01:01:36] going to

[01:01:36] actively

[01:01:36] start saying

[01:01:37] it's here

[01:01:38] and this

[01:01:39] is going

[01:01:39] on here.

[01:01:40] It's not

[01:01:40] for me

[01:01:41] to do

[01:01:41] that.

[01:01:42] I just

[01:01:43] think it's

[01:01:43] a bit

[01:01:45] disrespectful

[01:01:46] to the

[01:01:47] place and

[01:01:47] the people

[01:01:47] around it.

[01:01:48] I don't

[01:01:49] want to

[01:01:49] do that.

[01:01:52] Final

[01:01:53] question

[01:01:53] because

[01:01:55] you're

[01:01:56] similar to

[01:01:57] me about

[01:01:57] rational and

[01:01:58] stuff.

[01:02:00] Why do

[01:02:00] you think

[01:02:01] that place

[01:02:02] doesn't seem

[01:02:02] to be as

[01:02:03] well known?

[01:02:05] Do you know

[01:02:06] what I'm

[01:02:06] saying?

[01:02:07] To me

[01:02:07] I think

[01:02:10] like Rendlesham

[01:02:11] and stuff

[01:02:11] everyone seems

[01:02:12] to have

[01:02:12] heard of

[01:02:13] it.

[01:02:14] This just

[01:02:15] seems

[01:02:17] completely

[01:02:17] and utterly

[01:02:18] crazy but

[01:02:19] I've never

[01:02:20] heard of

[01:02:20] anything like

[01:02:21] it before.

[01:02:23] I've been

[01:02:24] asked this

[01:02:24] before about

[01:02:25] that certain

[01:02:26] place.

[01:02:27] I think

[01:02:28] it's a

[01:02:28] mixture of

[01:02:31] people haven't

[01:02:31] put the

[01:02:32] pieces together

[01:02:33] and people

[01:02:34] haven't

[01:02:35] definitely

[01:02:36] heard of

[01:02:37] the place

[01:02:37] if you live

[01:02:39] around there.

[01:02:39] Maybe if

[01:02:40] you're from

[01:02:40] down south

[01:02:41] or Wales

[01:02:41] or wherever

[01:02:42] you probably

[01:02:43] haven't heard

[01:02:43] of the place

[01:02:43] but the

[01:02:45] people who

[01:02:46] are around

[01:02:46] there definitely

[01:02:47] have heard of

[01:02:47] the place

[01:02:47] because from

[01:02:49] what I can

[01:02:50] tell there's

[01:02:51] like an

[01:02:52] unwritten thing

[01:02:53] around the

[01:02:54] area of

[01:02:55] leave that

[01:02:55] woods alone

[01:02:56] the people

[01:02:57] who live

[01:02:57] around it

[01:02:58] leave them

[01:02:58] alone and

[01:02:59] everything

[01:03:00] will be

[01:03:00] on Kidoore.

[01:03:02] In terms of

[01:03:03] the general

[01:03:04] population

[01:03:05] knowing the

[01:03:06] place and

[01:03:06] knowing what's

[01:03:07] gone off on

[01:03:08] at certain

[01:03:09] points there

[01:03:10] probably no

[01:03:11] little bits

[01:03:11] they've

[01:03:12] probably heard

[01:03:13] of stuff

[01:03:14] little bits

[01:03:14] but they've

[01:03:14] not put the

[01:03:15] pieces together

[01:03:15] they've not

[01:03:16] thought well

[01:03:17] this all

[01:03:18] connects to

[01:03:18] one place

[01:03:19] here

[01:03:19] this all

[01:03:21] culminates

[01:03:22] from one

[01:03:22] certain area

[01:03:23] and why is

[01:03:24] that

[01:03:25] there's a

[01:03:26] place called

[01:03:27] the Bedlington

[01:03:27] Triangle

[01:03:28] have you heard

[01:03:28] of that

[01:03:29] in America

[01:03:31] so in

[01:03:32] America

[01:03:32] there's a

[01:03:32] place that's

[01:03:33] like a

[01:03:33] triangular

[01:03:35] area

[01:03:35] that a lot

[01:03:37] of weird

[01:03:37] stuff

[01:03:37] a bit

[01:03:37] like the

[01:03:38] Bermuda

[01:03:38] Triangle

[01:03:39] a lot of

[01:03:39] weird stuff

[01:03:39] goes off

[01:03:40] there

[01:03:41] now I'm

[01:03:42] not saying

[01:03:42] that this

[01:03:43] place is

[01:03:43] a triangle

[01:03:45] shape

[01:03:45] but it's

[01:03:47] an area

[01:03:47] where a

[01:03:48] lot of

[01:03:49] really weird

[01:03:49] stuff has

[01:03:50] happened

[01:03:52] and I

[01:03:54] can't say

[01:03:55] like it's

[01:03:56] paranormally

[01:03:57] type stuff

[01:03:57] as in

[01:03:58] like

[01:03:59] cryptoid

[01:04:00] or ghosts

[01:04:01] or UFOs

[01:04:02] and stuff

[01:04:02] like that

[01:04:02] it's more

[01:04:03] people acting

[01:04:05] really odd

[01:04:05] for some

[01:04:06] reason

[01:04:07] maybe there's

[01:04:08] some kind

[01:04:08] of

[01:04:08] well I've

[01:04:09] researched

[01:04:10] stuff

[01:04:10] around

[01:04:11] there

[01:04:11] there's

[01:04:11] a lot

[01:04:11] of

[01:04:11] pagan

[01:04:12] stuff

[01:04:12] around

[01:04:12] there

[01:04:13] there's

[01:04:13] a lot

[01:04:13] of

[01:04:14] ritualistic

[01:04:14] stuff

[01:04:15] in the

[01:04:16] past

[01:04:16] of that

[01:04:17] place

[01:04:17] lots

[01:04:18] of it

[01:04:18] which

[01:04:19] opened my

[01:04:20] eyes a bit

[01:04:20] because I've

[01:04:20] never really

[01:04:21] looked into

[01:04:21] stuff like

[01:04:22] that

[01:04:24] the symbols

[01:04:25] walls on

[01:04:26] the trees

[01:04:27] mean

[01:04:27] certain

[01:04:27] things

[01:04:31] I can only

[01:04:32] go by

[01:04:32] what

[01:04:34] I've

[01:04:34] looked at

[01:04:34] really

[01:04:37] that makes

[01:04:38] sense

[01:04:38] that makes

[01:04:38] sense

[01:04:41] well I've

[01:04:41] really enjoyed

[01:04:42] this Chris

[01:04:42] and I'd

[01:04:43] love to get

[01:04:44] you on again

[01:04:44] when we can

[01:04:44] get Billy

[01:04:45] to join us

[01:04:45] and maybe

[01:04:46] talk about

[01:04:46] aliens and

[01:04:47] stuff

[01:04:47] especially if

[01:04:47] you've been

[01:04:48] to Rendlesham

[01:04:48] and whatever

[01:04:49] yeah

[01:04:50] definitely

[01:04:51] cool

[01:04:52] cool

[01:04:52] cool

[01:04:52] right then

[01:04:53] so we

[01:04:54] shall leave

[01:04:54] it there

[01:04:54] so thank

[01:04:55] you for

[01:04:55] listening

[01:04:56] guys

[01:04:56] go and

[01:04:57] follow our

[01:04:57] Instagram

[01:04:58] it is

[01:04:58] at

[01:04:58] let's

[01:04:59] underscore

[01:04:59] talk about

[01:05:00] pod

[01:05:00] you'll find

[01:05:01] our link

[01:05:01] there for

[01:05:01] all our

[01:05:02] other social

[01:05:02] medias

[01:05:03] and

[01:05:04] YouTube

[01:05:04] page

[01:05:05] all our

[01:05:05] Patreon

[01:05:06] merch stores

[01:05:07] Chris you

[01:05:08] just want to

[01:05:08] let people

[01:05:09] know where

[01:05:09] they can

[01:05:09] find you

[01:05:11] thank you

[01:05:11] mate

[01:05:12] Instagram

[01:05:13] I don't

[01:05:13] have a

[01:05:14] Facebook

[01:05:15] we've

[01:05:15] got a

[01:05:15] YouTube

[01:05:16] channel

[01:05:16] that we're

[01:05:16] going to

[01:05:16] be putting

[01:05:17] some stuff

[01:05:18] on there

[01:05:19] soon

[01:05:19] and it's

[01:05:20] called

[01:05:20] Strange

[01:05:20] States

[01:05:22] you can

[01:05:23] find us

[01:05:23] on Instagram

[01:05:23] we're not

[01:05:24] hard to

[01:05:24] find

[01:05:24] our logo

[01:05:26] is like

[01:05:26] Deathmoth

[01:05:28] so it's

[01:05:28] really easy

[01:05:29] to find

[01:05:30] thanks for

[01:05:31] having me on

[01:05:31] mate

[01:05:32] I've enjoyed

[01:05:32] it

[01:05:32] no problem

[01:05:33] it's been

[01:05:34] a pleasure

[01:05:35] that's it

[01:05:36] guys

[01:05:36] thank you

[01:05:37] for listening

[01:05:37] and we shall

[01:05:37] speak to you

[01:05:38] next time