Let's Talk About... Psychic Drawings! With Shells Spooky Stories! Ep.59

[00:00:10] Right then guys, welcome back to Let's Talk About, Liam here as always and as always at the minute there's no Billy because, well I don't know where the fucking hell he is. We all know now that Billy has a tendency to do this but I am joined by a special guest so we have Michelle from Shells Spooky Stories. So Michelle, welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:27] Hi, thanks for having me.

[00:00:30] No problem, no problem. Right, should we start with your podcast then? Do you want to tell us about that? I mean, when did you start it? Why?

[00:00:38] So, it launched on Halloween because I didn't think there was any other appropriate time to launch it. It's been in the pipeline for, probably in my mind for a good few years but I was waiting for the right time, the right funds, the right ideas for it all to fall into place.

[00:01:04] And this year I just decided, just go for it, just start it. And I'm really enjoying it and I hope other people are enjoying it as well. They seem to be.

[00:01:17] Good, good. So obviously the clue sort of in the title Spooky Stories, so are they ones that you make up yourself or the people send them in or...?

[00:01:25] So it's a bit of a mixture. A lot of the ones that have been out so far are ones that I've made up but they have been based on something.

[00:01:35] So either something I've experienced as a child, like there was one about a World War II nurse who jumped from a water tower.

[00:01:44] That was a ghost story that was actually from my boarding school that I went to.

[00:01:49] So I kind of like embellished it a little bit and, you know, made it a bit more interesting rather than there was just a nurse who jumped off the water tower and died.

[00:01:59] So I kind of made a bit of a story around it. Other ones, I've got some that are coming up about the black-eyed children just because I find that whole concept really interesting.

[00:02:10] Some are from investigations that I've been to and, you know, some are dreams that I've had because I've really messed up dreams.

[00:02:18] Some are ones that people have written in and given me the ideas for. So it's a bit of a mixture really.

[00:02:25] Yeah. I can already see a little, try and do a little collaboration here because me and Billy, we do our own little story series that we do, our little terrifying tales episodes.

[00:02:35] Have you heard of Radio Rental?

[00:02:37] I have, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:38] Yeah.

[00:02:39] Yeah. Well, we sort of, we'll say, we'll say borrowed the idea from that. So instead of it being like a video shop, ours is a little bookshop.

[00:02:47] We have our little characters that we play and we come up with all our own stories.

[00:02:51] Oh, I like that.

[00:02:51] It's very hard work. It's not as easy as I thought it would be coming up with a new story and we only do it once a month.

[00:02:58] Yeah. Yeah. Once a week is quite a challenge. Luckily, I've got quite a back catalogue of things to go into.

[00:03:06] And hopefully by the stage I start to run out, other people will have sent me loads of their stories.

[00:03:10] So I'll constantly have something going on.

[00:03:14] Yeah. You said you'd been in the pipeline for a few years and I'd always wanted to start.

[00:03:19] I was, I'd always wanted to do a podcast for years and I just, I don't know about you, but I'm still kicking myself that I never started anything during COVID because that seems to be there.

[00:03:29] If there was a time I do a podcast, it seemed to be then.

[00:03:32] Yeah, that is true. Mind you, during COVID, nothing really changed me because I work online all the time anyway and we're a complete remote business.

[00:03:41] So we just carried on as normal. So none of that kind of affected me.

[00:03:45] But yeah, had I been, I suppose, in a, what they call a normal job, then I would have definitely done something like that just to keep my own sanity more than anything.

[00:03:57] My mind went out the window during lockdown.

[00:04:01] Yeah, I think most people's did, to be fair.

[00:04:05] So where does it all start for you then, the interest in the spooky stuff, paranormal, all that?

[00:04:11] So I guess I've kind of had a bit of a love-hate relationship with it because when I was younger, I mean, from the day I was born, we lived in a new build house.

[00:04:21] But I used to see this spirit that I used to always refer to as Peter.

[00:04:26] And I remember him being like a, what I'd probably call now like an 18, 19, 20 year old bloke.

[00:04:35] And I always remember him and used to speak about him so much that people used to think he was my brother because I just made him sound so real to everyone.

[00:04:45] But my parents were like, oh, it's just her imaginary friend.

[00:04:49] But then one day when my niece was two in the same house, she was doing what kids do, playing by herself in the corner.

[00:04:56] And she just went, Peter!

[00:04:58] And everyone like looked at each other.

[00:05:00] And I was like, I told you I didn't make him up.

[00:05:02] He's real.

[00:05:05] So, yeah, I've seen them all my life.

[00:05:09] Used to love seeing him.

[00:05:11] It never bothered me, I don't think, being a child.

[00:05:14] I just thought he was normal.

[00:05:16] And then it used to get to points where I'd go around friends' houses and be like, who's that lady in that picture?

[00:05:21] And they'd be like, ask my nan, she died.

[00:05:23] And I'm like, no, she's not dead.

[00:05:25] She's like over there.

[00:05:26] And I'd be like really upset because they were calling me a liar because she was dead.

[00:05:31] And they'd be upset because obviously I've just told them their nan's in the corner when she's dead.

[00:05:35] So it all became a bit awkward.

[00:05:38] And I think that's when I kind of like decided to like try and be normal and shut everything off.

[00:05:44] And then it got to the stage where it kind of scared me more than anything.

[00:05:48] Yeah.

[00:05:49] Well, first of all, being normal is overrated and boring.

[00:05:53] Yeah.

[00:05:54] What is normal anyway?

[00:05:56] Exactly.

[00:05:56] That's a very good point.

[00:05:59] How old were you then when you first started seeing him, Peter?

[00:06:03] I think it was from the minute I could talk.

[00:06:06] So kind of like, I don't know, one and a half, two.

[00:06:10] I don't know.

[00:06:10] I can't remember when I started talking.

[00:06:12] Can you remember when you stopped seeing him?

[00:06:18] I would probably guess about five, six-ish because there seems to be a big gap in my life where I've kind of like not remembered a lot of things.

[00:06:27] So I think that might be where I kind of shut out a whole bunch of stuff rather than just the spirits.

[00:06:35] You probably noticed that.

[00:06:36] As soon as you said five, I started smiling because whenever somebody tells me that the like similar things, you know, they used to talk to people, they used to hear voices when they were kids.

[00:06:47] And it's always like five or six-year-old when it stops.

[00:06:50] Yeah.

[00:06:51] Yeah.

[00:06:51] I was the same.

[00:06:52] Well, apparently, I don't really remember, but all my family always tell me that until I was about five or six,

[00:06:57] I used to sit in my bedroom and have full-blown conversations with people.

[00:07:02] And I really remember it.

[00:07:04] And then we had a guy on here as a guest before called Mark.

[00:07:06] He's a medium.

[00:07:08] And he believes, well, he told us that everybody has that ability and it's usually about five or six when for some reason it just goes.

[00:07:18] So I always like asking people that question.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:21] It's strange, isn't it?

[00:07:22] Yeah.

[00:07:22] I've heard that.

[00:07:23] I had it from a couple of friends who I know.

[00:07:25] They've said a similar thing that it was about five, five-ish, five, six.

[00:07:29] I don't know whether it's because we start to like get put into like proper lessons and, you know, get told that the world's a certain way and we should think of it as such.

[00:07:41] And you're weird if you stick out any other way or, you know, we probably then become a lot more self-aware, don't we?

[00:07:48] And we're like, oh, I can't say that I talk to people because they're going to like cart me away.

[00:07:53] Yeah, exactly.

[00:07:55] It always makes me think there was a, I can't, I don't know if me telling you this, you might be able to, you might know what I'm talking about.

[00:08:00] There was a film that I used to always watch when we were kids and it was all babies and stuff and they could like talk telepathically and stuff, but then they'd get to a point where they would say crossover.

[00:08:10] And that's when like you don't remember anything from being a kid and stuff like that.

[00:08:14] And it just makes me think of something like that, that maybe, maybe as you get to a certain age and something just changes within you.

[00:08:21] Yeah, I think, I think that it probably is the case.

[00:08:24] It's, we've become a bit more like self-aware and we're too busy trying to make friends than sort of stand out as our own.

[00:08:31] Because when you're like, you know, really young, you don't care what people think of you.

[00:08:36] You're just living your best life, aren't you?

[00:08:38] And then you suddenly like have to be cool and try and fit in.

[00:08:42] And you're like, yeah, telling people that I see ghosts is probably the last thing.

[00:08:45] But thinking about it now, the people that I still know from that time have like always like, oh yeah, I see, I used to see ghosts and like, oh yeah, I love spooky stuff and all the rest of it.

[00:08:57] And you're like, I've spent so many years hiding from it.

[00:09:00] I could have just come out and been like, oh, you know, I see spirits.

[00:09:05] And, you know, probably been a really good medium by now, but who knows?

[00:09:10] I think it's often the case though, then obviously then people sort of get back into it, obviously once you get older.

[00:09:17] Because I mean, I don't know many like, you know, 10, 11, 12 year olds that are really into ghosts and stuff.

[00:09:22] It seems to be you get back into it when you get a bit older.

[00:09:25] Yeah, I think that, I think it is the time where you're just trying to fit in with people and society and everything else.

[00:09:31] It's, there's obviously too much going on that people are just like, no, I can't, you know, delve into anything else other than, you know, what's in front of me right here, right now.

[00:09:41] And plus with like hormones and everything else going on, it'd be like a disaster.

[00:09:45] Yeah, exactly.

[00:09:47] So when did your interest in it like peak again?

[00:09:52] I think it was probably when I was about 18, I think.

[00:09:56] Me and my mum started, that was probably about the age when most haunted was getting quite big and everything.

[00:10:03] So me and my mum used to sit and watch that and really like scare ourselves.

[00:10:07] Because she's a bit like me, she used to see spirits and stuff and then it kind of, she cut herself away from it.

[00:10:14] So we used to watch that and absolutely terrify ourselves.

[00:10:17] And then we decided to like go see mediums together.

[00:10:21] You know, when they do like shows and you can go sit and they like read for people in the audience.

[00:10:26] And we used to go to one of those.

[00:10:28] And that's kind of where it started to peak.

[00:10:31] But then because I was kind of opening up to it again, weird stuff started to happen.

[00:10:36] So I was like, oh, no, I can't be dealing with this.

[00:10:39] And I was like terrified and thinking that I was, you know, going to get a demon or something.

[00:10:45] And so I kind of stopped all of it until I think it was my granddad passed away.

[00:10:51] So that was about 2017, I think.

[00:10:54] And I started to go really into like spiritual.

[00:10:57] I think I was just trying to like look for something else in this world that could give me some answers about stuff.

[00:11:05] And my mental health was really bad.

[00:11:06] So I was really kind of looking for something, I guess.

[00:11:11] And that's where I kind of learned about those people being psychics, those people being mediums, people being out there and saying, you know, declaring their witches.

[00:11:20] And I was like, where was this?

[00:11:22] Like when I was younger, I would have like fitted right in with these people.

[00:11:27] And that's kind of where it all started.

[00:11:28] But I was still really terrified until my mum passed away.

[00:11:34] That was three years ago.

[00:11:36] And that's when I really started to like get into it.

[00:11:39] And I was like, I'm fed up of like not doing things that I want to do.

[00:11:44] And we just moved.

[00:11:45] And I was like, right, I'm going to go meet some like minded people because I don't know anyone around here.

[00:11:50] And I was like, what do I like?

[00:11:52] And I was like, hmm, paranormal stuff.

[00:11:54] Where do I find these people?

[00:11:56] And it just so happened I saw an advert on Facebook.

[00:12:00] And it was for a paranormal evening that they were doing the local antique shop.

[00:12:05] So I was like, right, I'll go along.

[00:12:07] And I almost didn't go.

[00:12:09] But I'm so glad that I did because I really have found my people and learned so much more about myself.

[00:12:17] And now I've got a podcast and everything.

[00:12:19] So it's completely changed my life, really.

[00:12:21] Yeah, that's cool.

[00:12:22] That's really cool.

[00:12:23] So you mentioned they're most haunted.

[00:12:25] Me and Billy love to talk about most haunted because we both have very mixed feelings towards it.

[00:12:32] Because it was one of those things.

[00:12:34] It was really good.

[00:12:34] It was also really bad at times, I think.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] I think when it first started, it was really good.

[00:12:42] And then I just got really silly with it, I think.

[00:12:45] And the whole, obviously, probably one of the most famous bits on it, Derek Okara acting like he's possessed, screaming, Mary loves a dick and things like that.

[00:12:54] It's just, that was when I just really lost interest in it.

[00:12:58] I was like, no, we've gone too far now.

[00:13:00] Yeah.

[00:13:00] We've gone too far with it.

[00:13:01] I don't know what you mean.

[00:13:02] I was talking to my best friends and I was like, oh, do you know, I'd love to be like the newer vet, but like realistic and not full of, you know, not having a camera crew that are like full of like, let's do that again.

[00:13:15] And I'm being like, no, you can't pretend there's a ghost there again.

[00:13:19] You can just either see it or not, you know, be a bit more realistic with it and show, because I have this with like YouTube and everything else.

[00:13:29] Like I love watching paranormal stuff on YouTube, but people forget that when you're watching that half an hour, hour, whatever it is, it's, you know, six hours of filming reduced into an hour.

[00:13:41] And a lot of time you're just sitting around, nothing's happening.

[00:13:45] And you, you know, having cups of tea and a biscuit because you're drained of energy and you need, you know, some sugar or something.

[00:13:54] People forget all of that when they're watching it.

[00:13:56] They just get the highlights, don't they?

[00:14:00] Yeah, I know what you mean.

[00:14:01] Like, well, we recently done our first little investigation, if we can even call it that, because it was, we weren't there very long because I ended up feeling really, really weird and unwell about the whole time we were there.

[00:14:13] So we sort of cut it a bit short.

[00:14:16] But it's true, like you said, I mean, Billy, I mean, he's supposed to be working on the video.

[00:14:21] He's had some problems with rendering it or something.

[00:14:23] But I mean, we had a good couple of hours recording.

[00:14:27] Like I said, I think the final thing he's got is about half an hour long.

[00:14:30] So yeah, yeah, there is a lot of just waiting about in there.

[00:14:36] Yeah, there is.

[00:14:37] Yeah, sometimes, I mean, we've been to one place where when we started, there was like the odd thing going off.

[00:14:45] Like we put the music box somewhere like in a doorway, like really far away from all of us.

[00:14:52] And it was down a long hall and it kept going off.

[00:14:56] And we were like, OK, well, if this is happening as soon as we've done it, then this is going to be a good night.

[00:15:01] And then after that, nothing happened for the rest of the night.

[00:15:04] And we were like, OK, so some places you can be there an hour.

[00:15:08] Others, you could be there for like five hours.

[00:15:10] And it's, you know, kicking off.

[00:15:12] People are like going all weird and it's all gone a bit crazy.

[00:15:17] But yeah, it's interesting.

[00:15:19] Definitely interesting.

[00:15:22] So you say you've obviously been on with different paranormal groups and stuff.

[00:15:28] Can you tell us about any other experience you've had when you've been out with them?

[00:15:32] Well, I've only been with the one paranormal group.

[00:15:35] OK.

[00:15:36] So I've only been with them since I think either June or July.

[00:15:42] This, yeah, this year.

[00:15:45] So I literally went to this antique shop for the, to like just see what was going on,

[00:15:52] to like learn a bit more about it and just see whether I was actually either going to cry

[00:15:57] and run out of the building or whether I'd really enjoy it.

[00:16:00] And I really enjoyed it and went down into the basement and seemed to have, you know,

[00:16:06] found some balls that I didn't realise I had.

[00:16:09] And I was like, I really like this.

[00:16:11] And then the minute we finished, Liam, who's the old boss of the group,

[00:16:18] he was like, do you want to join the team?

[00:16:20] And I was like, yeah, all right, I've got nothing else going on.

[00:16:24] Why not?

[00:16:26] And then since then they haven't really been able to get rid of me.

[00:16:30] But we've been to some really cool places.

[00:16:33] One of my favourites is probably the Sunderland Air Museum.

[00:16:36] That place is just like never boring.

[00:16:40] There's always something going on.

[00:16:42] It's just insane, that place.

[00:16:45] And the guy who owns it, he's just brilliant because he actually really cares about the place,

[00:16:50] the history and also the spirits that are there, which is, you know, not always the case.

[00:16:56] He walks in, he's like, hello, dear spirit friends.

[00:17:00] And you're just like, oh, he loves him.

[00:17:04] He's brilliant.

[00:17:05] Oh, we might have to look into that because that's not too far from us.

[00:17:09] We're only about 45 minutes away from Sunderland.

[00:17:11] Yeah, you should definitely.

[00:17:12] I mean, we're going there quite a few times next year.

[00:17:15] So I can always get you in there with us, maybe.

[00:17:19] Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[00:17:19] Definitely.

[00:17:20] That'd be well good.

[00:17:20] Come join us.

[00:17:22] Yeah, definitely.

[00:17:23] I mean, that's if Billy's actually about, like I say, I mean.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:27] But yeah, I'm sure if I tell him that he'll definitely be there then.

[00:17:31] Oh, yeah.

[00:17:33] Yeah.

[00:17:33] That place tends to like, I always think it calls to you.

[00:17:36] I don't know what it is, but every time we're due to go there, I mean, I've probably only

[00:17:41] been there like twice now, maybe.

[00:17:43] No, three times?

[00:17:44] Twice.

[00:17:44] Can't remember.

[00:17:45] But it's like before you go, you can feel it almost like pulling you in.

[00:17:51] And all of us are completely like drained by the time we leave.

[00:17:55] And the next day we're all like either sick or like got no energy whatsoever because it's

[00:18:02] just it just takes all of you while you're there.

[00:18:06] But it's such a brilliant night.

[00:18:07] There's just so much to do and so much going on.

[00:18:11] Never boring.

[00:18:14] Why do you think that happens then?

[00:18:16] Like, you know, you seem to be drained of energy.

[00:18:19] Do you have any theories on why that happens?

[00:18:23] Um, well, I think it's because their energy and they need energy to like do what they need

[00:18:30] more energy than what we need to do what they have to do to try and communicate with us.

[00:18:35] Whereas if because we're living, we can obviously easily communicate with one another.

[00:18:40] We can easily communicate with them.

[00:18:42] Um, but for them to communicate with us, that must be exhausting.

[00:18:46] It's like, you know, muster.

[00:18:47] We're probably sat there going like, just touch this, just touch this.

[00:18:51] And they're like, oh, my God, I can't.

[00:18:53] I can't do it.

[00:18:55] Um, but, you know, I think that's just what it is, just energy.

[00:18:59] Um, and they obviously take our energy, the equipment's energy to try and, you know, touch

[00:19:04] one cat ball.

[00:19:05] Whereas, you know, we can easily just do whatever we want.

[00:19:09] So for them to do something, you know, like slam a door or manifest is, you know, must take

[00:19:16] one hell of a bit of energy.

[00:19:17] But I know for me, because I am, um, you know, open psychically, I get really drained

[00:19:25] when I'm there because there is so much going on in my head while I'm there.

[00:19:31] Um, because a lot of what I do is like spiritual drawing and writing.

[00:19:35] So when I get images or anything in my head, I like sketch them out or write what I'm getting.

[00:19:42] Um, and that takes a lot of my energy to do that.

[00:19:45] Um, and I think they're also connecting with me takes a lot of energy as well.

[00:19:50] So I'm literally like dead by the time I come back from there and I'm just like the

[00:19:56] next day, I'm not doing anything.

[00:19:58] I'll just sit there on the sofa, like, like the worst hangover ever.

[00:20:04] And that is what it feels like.

[00:20:06] Yeah.

[00:20:07] So how does that work then?

[00:20:09] So do you, are you like hearing things in your head and writing it down, seeing things

[00:20:13] and then you're drawing what you see?

[00:20:15] Um, so sometimes it's seeing things, but it's not seeing things as in like with your eyes.

[00:20:23] It's more, I can kind of feel what it should look like, which sounds really odd.

[00:20:28] Um, but it's the same with colors.

[00:20:30] Like I can feel someone's trying to show me the color blue.

[00:20:34] Right.

[00:20:35] And you know, blue is a color.

[00:20:37] It shouldn't be a feeling, but I feel it as though it's a blue.

[00:20:40] Like I know that it should be blue.

[00:20:42] I knew that it should be green.

[00:20:45] Um, and the weird thing is the more I'm doing it, the more correct it's becoming, um, which

[00:20:51] is really freaky.

[00:20:53] And I sit there and I'm like, I don't know how I do it.

[00:20:56] Like it just happens.

[00:20:58] That's quite, that's quite cool.

[00:21:00] I've not, I've not even, I've never even heard of that before.

[00:21:03] That's quite cool.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:05] I mean the, um, for an instance, we went to, um, what was called Bencham Grove in Gateshead.

[00:21:13] Yeah.

[00:21:13] Um, I've never been there before.

[00:21:15] Didn't even know where it was.

[00:21:17] Um, and I don't look things up on purpose because I don't want anything to be like interfering.

[00:21:23] Um, so before I went, I was in the shower and then I got out of the shower and while

[00:21:30] I was in the shower, I kept getting this like vision come through.

[00:21:33] So before, while I got dressed and I came in here and started drawing what I saw and

[00:21:39] it was a staircase, which was like all oak and it had pictures, um, what do you call

[00:21:44] it?

[00:21:45] Panelling and pictures on the side.

[00:21:47] And then there was like a platform and then more stairs.

[00:21:51] And then I put a window, but I put a window question mark because I kept getting the difference

[00:21:56] between the window and a picture.

[00:21:59] And then when we turned up, we walked into this place and we all stood at the bottom of

[00:22:04] these stairs and I just went, oh, can I swear?

[00:22:09] Yeah.

[00:22:09] Oh yeah.

[00:22:09] Yeah.

[00:22:10] It's really it.

[00:22:10] I was like, oh, fuck off.

[00:22:13] And the BDM, she was like, what?

[00:22:16] And I went, I've got to show you this.

[00:22:18] And she was like, oh no.

[00:22:19] Cause she knows what my drawings are like.

[00:22:20] She's like, what now?

[00:22:23] So I showed her the drawer and she went, you are kidding me.

[00:22:27] And it was honestly, I'll have to send you the pictures.

[00:22:30] Cause it was an oak, um, staircase with oak paneling, pictures all up the side, a platform

[00:22:38] of a seating area.

[00:22:40] And it was a stained glass window, which was why I was getting picture window.

[00:22:44] Oh yeah.

[00:22:45] That's mental.

[00:22:46] And then there were like even more stairs.

[00:22:48] And I'd drawn a lady who I'd seen at the top of the stairs and she told me that she'd

[00:22:52] fallen down the stairs.

[00:22:53] And the woman was like, oh, they often see a woman standing at the top of the stairs.

[00:22:58] And I was like, how does this even happen?

[00:23:01] I was like, I don't even know what I'm doing.

[00:23:04] I'm just doing it.

[00:23:05] It's weird.

[00:23:06] Really weird.

[00:23:07] Yeah.

[00:23:08] That is crazy.

[00:23:09] That, um, when did you first like realize you could do that?

[00:23:14] Um, well, I've always been into art.

[00:23:17] Um, to be honest, when I first started doing that was on my first, that antique shop, that

[00:23:25] investigation I went to, I was sat at the top of the basement, um, while some of the people

[00:23:30] were in the basement and I was by myself and I was just trying to like tune in or tap

[00:23:36] in or whatever you call it to see whether I got anything.

[00:23:39] And I said to the woman who owns the place, I showered to her and said, have you got any

[00:23:43] pen or paper?

[00:23:44] And she went, oh no, I haven't got any.

[00:23:46] Um, why?

[00:23:47] And I said, I just had the urge to like write something.

[00:23:51] And cause I do a lot of painting and art and creative stuff anyway.

[00:23:55] Um, I think I kind of thought in my head, well, maybe that's my way of connecting is because

[00:24:00] I draw and paint all the time anyway.

[00:24:02] So maybe it comes through.

[00:24:05] So I just decided to take my sketchbook and pens to the next one.

[00:24:08] And it just seems to like carry on.

[00:24:12] No, that's actually really cool.

[00:24:14] Cause that's almost like that they can pick up on the fact that you, that you obviously,

[00:24:20] you know, you're into art, you can draw and stuff.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:23] And they're putting themselves across through you doing that.

[00:24:26] That's really cool.

[00:24:27] Yeah.

[00:24:27] I've been to, um, one place where I felt like somebody holding my hand while I was doing

[00:24:32] it.

[00:24:33] Um, which I think was a child.

[00:24:35] Cause I started to like almost cry.

[00:24:37] And, um, Liam was like, you're right.

[00:24:39] And I was like, yeah, I just feel really emotional.

[00:24:41] He went, you look really emotional.

[00:24:44] And I was like, yeah, I know.

[00:24:45] I think a child's tumbled in my hand.

[00:24:47] That's really weird.

[00:24:48] But yeah, it is, it is quite cool.

[00:24:50] Um, but it's just freaky how accurate it's becoming.

[00:24:54] But then I guess that's not a good thing.

[00:24:56] Cause you can't, you know, trying to prove certain things on you.

[00:25:00] So it's good evidence.

[00:25:02] Exactly.

[00:25:03] Definitely.

[00:25:04] I just, I just, I just need to quickly ask because you've mentioned Sunderland and you've

[00:25:08] mentioned Gateshead there, but your accent is definitely not from parts of the world.

[00:25:15] Do you live up that way?

[00:25:17] I do.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:18] So I live, um, in Amble.

[00:25:21] Um, yeah, yeah.

[00:25:22] Yeah.

[00:25:23] So I live up there.

[00:25:25] Um, but I am originally from Norwich.

[00:25:28] So that's where my accent comes from.

[00:25:29] You can't get much further away.

[00:25:31] No, I know.

[00:25:32] Yeah.

[00:25:34] Yeah.

[00:25:34] I've, uh, I've actually got some like distant relatives that live in Amble.

[00:25:39] So I think they're like my dad's cousins, cousins or something mental like that.

[00:25:42] But yeah, I've been there a couple of times.

[00:25:45] Yeah.

[00:25:46] It's nice.

[00:25:46] Yeah.

[00:25:47] I quite like living here.

[00:25:48] We just moved here in, um, April.

[00:25:50] So.

[00:25:51] Ah, fair enough.

[00:25:52] Yeah.

[00:25:52] But my husband's was in the military.

[00:25:55] So that's how we met.

[00:25:57] Ah, fair enough.

[00:25:58] Fair enough.

[00:26:00] Have you got any other paranormal experiences that you can share for us then?

[00:26:07] Um, I mean quite a few.

[00:26:10] Like for me, the weirdest thing I have is probably my dreams.

[00:26:13] Um, I have, I have dreams where I know that the person's dead in the dream.

[00:26:21] Um, and other people are there.

[00:26:25] And I'm the only person communicating with the person.

[00:26:28] Because I know I can see the person.

[00:26:30] And they're communicating with me.

[00:26:32] And we're having a full on conversation.

[00:26:34] But it's like everyone else is just doing their business around us.

[00:26:37] And we're just like in this other dimension, I suppose.

[00:26:41] Yeah.

[00:26:41] Um, talking to one another.

[00:26:43] Like my granddad, he always comes to me.

[00:26:46] And I remember this one thing where I was, um, in my dream, I'd sat up in my bed.

[00:26:56] Um, because I could hear my husband talking to my stepson in the room next door.

[00:27:01] And I looked out into the corridor.

[00:27:03] And this was all in the dream.

[00:27:05] I looked out in the corridor.

[00:27:06] And I could see my granddad peering into my stepson's room.

[00:27:10] And I was, I said to him like, what are you doing?

[00:27:14] And he turned around and he went, oh my god, you can see me?

[00:27:17] And I was like, yeah.

[00:27:20] And he was like, and you can hear me?

[00:27:22] And I was like, yeah.

[00:27:23] And he was like, I've been trying to talk to you for ages.

[00:27:27] And I was like, oh right.

[00:27:28] And then in my, I woke up.

[00:27:30] So I was like, didn't continue the dream.

[00:27:33] And I was like, what the hell was that all about?

[00:27:36] Oh, that'd be horrible.

[00:27:38] Yeah, it's bizarre.

[00:27:39] I mean, it was nice because it was my granddad, but.

[00:27:41] Yeah, but I mean, I mean, the fact that you basically walk up straight away.

[00:27:44] Oh yeah.

[00:27:46] That's one of them dreams you wouldn't want to carry on for ages.

[00:27:48] Yeah.

[00:27:49] Go back to sleep and like make it happen.

[00:27:52] Yeah.

[00:27:52] But I've had loads where he's like speaking to me in my dreams.

[00:27:55] And I call him our little dream dates because it's always in the old, when he died, they lived in a bungalow.

[00:28:02] But most of my life, they lived in a flat.

[00:28:05] And it's always in that flat.

[00:28:07] And I can see like the sofa.

[00:28:08] I can see the kitchen.

[00:28:10] I can like smell the smell of the flat.

[00:28:14] Because everyone's house has that smell, don't they?

[00:28:16] That you always recognise.

[00:28:18] And, you know, he's always sat in his chair.

[00:28:20] And I'm always sat where I used to sit.

[00:28:23] And we have like this whole conversation.

[00:28:24] But other people will be there.

[00:28:26] But I'm the only person who can see him and knows that he's there and he's dead.

[00:28:30] But I've had the same with my mum.

[00:28:31] My dad's aunt as well and her house.

[00:28:35] Which was an interesting one.

[00:28:36] She gave me a message about.

[00:28:39] She had a lovely, like massive house.

[00:28:41] And she used to have this dining room that no one was ever allowed to go in but her.

[00:28:45] Because she used to collect those Royal Dalton plates.

[00:28:48] And she literally had like every one from every collection possible.

[00:28:54] But in the dream that I had, she was really like angry.

[00:28:59] Because her son had cleared the room out.

[00:29:03] And then done an extension, which she didn't like.

[00:29:07] And I, it kept bugging me the next day.

[00:29:10] I was trying to like brush it off.

[00:29:11] And then I phoned my mum and I was like,

[00:29:13] I need to tell you this because it's bugging me.

[00:29:15] And it keeps appearing in my head.

[00:29:17] And I know that if I don't say anything, it's just going to be there forever.

[00:29:20] And I was like,

[00:29:22] Aunty Eileen's really like annoyed about what Christopher's doing with the house.

[00:29:26] And she went, oh yeah, he's done an extension and like rented it out to someone.

[00:29:31] And I was like, yeah, she's not happy about it.

[00:29:35] And I was like, and I've ever since I said that to my mum, the thought disappeared.

[00:29:40] So I was like, I just obviously had to pass a message on and, you know,

[00:29:44] I don't think my mum ever said anything about it to anyone.

[00:29:47] But it was out of my brain.

[00:29:48] You just had to tell somebody.

[00:29:50] Yeah.

[00:29:51] I just had to get out.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:54] So weird little things happen like that.

[00:29:57] Yeah.

[00:29:57] That's, that's strange because I don't really remember my dreams because I don't sleep properly.

[00:30:02] Probably because I've got ADHD.

[00:30:04] So I, my sleeping pattern is terrible.

[00:30:07] I don't sleep properly because of that either.

[00:30:10] Well, I always remember the, after my granddad died as well, funny enough.

[00:30:14] So like when my granddad died, my sister was 17 and she was obviously devastated like we all were,

[00:30:20] but she was, I think she, she was more devastated about the fact that my granddad wouldn't be there for when she turned 18

[00:30:26] because my granddad always used to say that that was when she would be a woman when she turned 18.

[00:30:30] So I had a dream that we're, this was after my sister turned 18 as well.

[00:30:34] So I had a dream that we were at my sister's 18th birthday and my granddad was there and I was,

[00:30:38] and same as you, I was the only one that could see him.

[00:30:41] Like I'm saying to people like, you know, our granddad's there, he's there.

[00:30:44] Like look, and everyone's like, no, he's not.

[00:30:46] So it was just me that could see him.

[00:30:47] And then I just ran up to him, hugged him, started crying, then I woke up crying.

[00:30:51] Yeah.

[00:30:52] But I've never had a dream like that since.

[00:30:55] I'm 100%, 100% convinced that it is spirit visiting us in our dreams when things like that happens.

[00:31:02] Because it just makes too much sense for it to be anything else.

[00:31:08] I just, I find it bizarre that it was me who had that dream though.

[00:31:12] And obviously it was about my sister's birthday.

[00:31:14] I would like, you know, in my head, I like to be very illogical with things.

[00:31:18] Yeah.

[00:31:19] That's why I, I probably should have said this beforehand, but I always say so.

[00:31:24] I always say I believe in things, but I don't know what I believe in.

[00:31:27] If that makes sense.

[00:31:28] Yeah, I always say that as well.

[00:31:28] Oh yeah.

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:30] Yeah.

[00:31:30] Someone asked me that the other day, they said, are you religious?

[00:31:32] And I said, I wouldn't say I was religious.

[00:31:36] I have respect for religion, but I don't know what I believe in.

[00:31:41] I just believe there is something or some things higher than ourselves that we don't know about.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:48] Like, you know, we'd be naive to think that, you know, there's not sea monsters in the sea.

[00:31:53] We'd be naive to think that there's not any other civilizations out in space.

[00:31:58] You know, we can't only be the only things that exist.

[00:32:02] No, no.

[00:32:03] When we die, we definitely don't just disappear.

[00:32:06] No, 100% no.

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[00:32:48] We'll go on to that then, because obviously we're speaking.

[00:32:50] You mentioned there about other civilizations and monsters and stuff.

[00:32:54] So where do you stand with, like, aliens and UFOs and stuff?

[00:33:01] Yeah, I definitely believe in them.

[00:33:04] I've had a very weird experience where what I saw could only be described as an alien,

[00:33:14] because it definitely wasn't human.

[00:33:17] Now I'm interested.

[00:33:22] Basically, we were on an RAF base, because my husband was in the RAF.

[00:33:26] And it was, I'd let the dogs out to go to the toilet in our garden.

[00:33:30] And our garden was quite dark because we were literally by some trees.

[00:33:37] We had bushes at the back of the fence and then trees and then like a park.

[00:33:42] And then there was like the airfield.

[00:33:44] So there wasn't really a lot going on.

[00:33:46] And all the lights were kind of low because this is a RAF station.

[00:33:51] And when I was just stood there, I just saw something like move in between the bushes.

[00:33:56] But it was really tall.

[00:33:58] And it was like a brownie green colour and just had these eyes that just stared at me.

[00:34:04] And I don't really remember what was happening because I felt like I was stuck.

[00:34:12] And I felt like I'd been there for about 10 minutes, but I think I was only like that for about sort of 10 seconds.

[00:34:18] But it just felt like so long.

[00:34:20] And I felt really sick while it was whatever was happening.

[00:34:24] And then immediately, once I kind of like came around or whatever,

[00:34:29] I just saw this like flash of light.

[00:34:32] And then it went over in the sky.

[00:34:35] And I was like, what the fuck was that?

[00:34:38] And I was just like, I thought I'd lost it completely.

[00:34:42] And I went inside and I thought my husband was going to ask me like,

[00:34:45] what the hell had been up to you?

[00:34:46] Because I thought I'd been out there for like 10 minutes or something.

[00:34:49] And he didn't ask me anything.

[00:34:51] And I was like looking at the time and I was really confused.

[00:34:53] I was like, what the?

[00:34:54] I'm sure I was like for like 10 minutes just stood there, like frozen in time.

[00:35:00] Just like, what the hell?

[00:35:02] But yeah, it was really, but because it was in between the trees,

[00:35:05] the only reason I noticed it is because it kind of like flitted past.

[00:35:09] And it caught my eye and I was like, what the hell is that?

[00:35:12] But yeah, it was really like weird.

[00:35:14] And I felt really sick and headachy when it was happening.

[00:35:17] But the minute the light flashed over, I was fine.

[00:35:20] It was really odd.

[00:35:22] Yeah, that is really, really weird.

[00:35:26] Yeah.

[00:35:26] Which made me think of the film Sign straight away.

[00:35:29] Yeah, I said to, I think it was Tommy that I was speaking to.

[00:35:34] And I said to him, like, it was a little bit like where you see it go past in the alleyway.

[00:35:40] And you're just like, oh.

[00:35:41] But yeah, it was really bizarre.

[00:35:43] So you said it was tall.

[00:35:45] How tall would you say it was?

[00:35:48] Roughly.

[00:35:48] Well, I'm five foot four.

[00:35:50] So to me, anything's tall.

[00:35:53] But I would say that it was probably like six, five, six, seven, something like that.

[00:36:00] Yeah, well, that's even taller than me.

[00:36:01] I'm six, three, so.

[00:36:02] Yeah.

[00:36:03] I come from a family of giants, which is really weird that I'm five foot four.

[00:36:07] Until you meet my nanny who was like four foot something.

[00:36:11] I'm the opposite.

[00:36:11] I'm the only one who is tall.

[00:36:13] Really?

[00:36:14] Yeah.

[00:36:15] Don't know why I am.

[00:36:16] Lucky.

[00:36:17] Yeah.

[00:36:18] Yeah, I've got the short genes.

[00:36:22] I'm thinking there as well.

[00:36:23] You said that, obviously, it was probably only about 10 seconds, but it felt like 10 minutes.

[00:36:28] I mean, I've heard a lot of listening to a lot of other people talk about aliens and UFOs

[00:36:32] and stuff that loss of time seems to be a big thing.

[00:36:36] Yeah.

[00:36:37] With abductions and stuff.

[00:36:38] But I mean, like I say, you remember just being stood there.

[00:36:41] So that is strange.

[00:36:43] That's almost like time's froze, but only for you.

[00:36:47] Yeah.

[00:36:48] That's kind of what it felt like.

[00:36:49] It was, yeah, bizarre.

[00:36:51] Yeah.

[00:36:51] But I don't even know if like the dogs were moving around or anything because all I could

[00:36:56] focus on was what was in front of me.

[00:36:58] Yeah.

[00:36:58] And it was just, yeah, really weird.

[00:37:02] So you said there as well, you noticed its eyes.

[00:37:05] Was it with a, I mean, to put it bluntly, were they like, you know, the typical with a very big eyes, like oval shaped eyes?

[00:37:12] Or like the big diamond shape.

[00:37:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:37:14] Or whatever they were.

[00:37:17] To be honest, it's really hard to describe because it was so dark.

[00:37:22] But you know when you look at someone in the dark, you can still see kind of where their eyes are?

[00:37:27] Yeah.

[00:37:28] It was a little bit like that.

[00:37:29] Like they weren't glowing or anything.

[00:37:32] They were just like, I could just tell that this thing was looking at me.

[00:37:35] But it was kind of like felt like it was looking through me, not at me.

[00:37:40] If that makes sense.

[00:37:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:42] So I couldn't really describe what the eyes looked like.

[00:37:45] I just knew that this thing was looking through me.

[00:37:49] And that was it, really.

[00:37:51] A little bit like, you know, you can see someone staring at you in the dark and you're just like, why are you staring at me?

[00:37:58] Yeah, weird.

[00:38:00] There's something.

[00:38:01] You've ever tried drawing it?

[00:38:03] Like from memory or something?

[00:38:04] Do you know what?

[00:38:06] I think I might actually have something.

[00:38:12] I don't know if I have got it still.

[00:38:14] I did.

[00:38:15] No, I don't think I have got it.

[00:38:16] I've got some really weird drawings.

[00:38:20] But I used to have this one of like a alien.

[00:38:24] I don't know where I've got it.

[00:38:27] I think I've got it somewhere.

[00:38:28] So I have to find it and show you.

[00:38:30] Yeah, definitely.

[00:38:31] I did draw.

[00:38:32] I did like a weird meditation once and had this.

[00:38:37] Being come through, I suppose.

[00:38:39] It's the only way I could describe it.

[00:38:42] So I kind of drew what I'd seen in this meditation.

[00:38:46] And that was more.

[00:38:47] I would just say that was probably a bit more like a grey that came through on that meditation.

[00:38:55] Or I can't remember what the other one's called.

[00:39:00] I tend to be more into ghosts than I am aliens.

[00:39:03] But yeah, this was just a weird one.

[00:39:06] So I thought, oh, I'll draw it.

[00:39:08] Just because I didn't know how to process it.

[00:39:10] So I was like, if I draw it, then I know it's a real thing that I've seen.

[00:39:15] But yeah, maybe I'll have to draw what I saw and see what comes through.

[00:39:21] Yeah.

[00:39:21] So you said obviously it was very dark in that.

[00:39:25] So how certain are you that it wasn't just a really tall bloke?

[00:39:32] I don't think a really tall bloke would have made me feel that way.

[00:39:35] I think if it was a really tall bloke, I would have shouted for my husband because he was a military policeman.

[00:39:41] So he would have come out and told him to F off.

[00:39:46] But yeah, it definitely wasn't a bloke.

[00:39:48] I mean, I would have heard someone walking around and my dogs would have gone nuts at a bloke in the garden.

[00:39:58] Was it wearing any sort of clothing or anything?

[00:40:02] I couldn't really see too much of the body.

[00:40:05] Because of the bushes and the fence.

[00:40:07] Yeah.

[00:40:09] So I don't know if it was wearing anything.

[00:40:11] But it kind of just disappeared and went somewhere.

[00:40:16] Yeah.

[00:40:17] So obviously you mentioned the flash of light afterwards.

[00:40:21] So did you actually see it leave?

[00:40:24] Or was it just the flash of light appeared and obviously that made you...

[00:40:28] It kind of looked a bit like something kind of being dragged up.

[00:40:32] Like, you know how fast my hand's moving where you can barely see it?

[00:40:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:37] It's like that.

[00:40:38] It was kind of like that.

[00:40:39] But then the flash of light went over.

[00:40:41] Yeah, the typical beamed up sort of thing.

[00:40:42] Yeah.

[00:40:43] A little bit like that.

[00:40:44] Yeah.

[00:40:44] It sounds so lame when you say it because you're just being a Star Trek.

[00:40:47] But it literally was kind of like that.

[00:40:52] That is just crazy.

[00:40:54] And to me, the craziest part about that is the fact that, like you're saying, you're on a military base.

[00:41:00] It's because I think it's almost famous that, you know, the military know more than most do when it comes to stuff like that.

[00:41:10] Like I say, with like Area 51 and stuff, I mean.

[00:41:13] Yeah.

[00:41:14] Oh, there's probably so much, like, that people know about that we have, like, we know, but they won't tell us.

[00:41:22] Exactly.

[00:41:23] Exactly.

[00:41:23] And they're probably, like, listening to all our podcasts going, they know too much, they've seen too much.

[00:41:30] That's probably why we're not getting, like, using the lights.

[00:41:32] They can't shut us up.

[00:41:33] Sorry?

[00:41:35] That's probably why our analytics aren't, you know, quite as they should be because people are shutting us down and being like, you can't get that any further on the internet.

[00:41:44] Yeah, exactly.

[00:41:45] But that's the thing, though, they can't shut us down or else then it makes it too obvious.

[00:41:48] Oh, yeah, that is true.

[00:41:49] Yeah.

[00:41:50] That would be a dead giveaway, wouldn't it?

[00:41:52] Exactly.

[00:41:54] Yeah.

[00:41:56] Have you had any other experiences or do you know anything of anyone having other experiences like that?

[00:42:03] My granddad had an interesting one.

[00:42:08] There's a place that I did, I did a TikTok episode on this.

[00:42:12] There's a place in Norwich that's always fascinated me and it's called the Crooked House, I think it's called.

[00:42:17] It's an antique shop now, but it's basically an old house that's on, like, a lean.

[00:42:22] It's basically crooked.

[00:42:25] Yeah.

[00:42:25] And the legend is that a girl lost it and basically ate her parents.

[00:42:34] She killed them and ate them.

[00:42:37] Jesus.

[00:42:38] Yeah.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:39] But when I went on the Norwich ghost tour, I'm sure the guy said to us that it was when the plague was about and her parents had died of the plague, but they didn't realise she was still in there.

[00:42:50] And so they boarded up the house and everything and she had no choice but to live, to eat her parents.

[00:42:56] And then she choked on their flesh or something and died.

[00:42:59] Right.

[00:42:59] And who knows?

[00:43:01] I think I've heard that story before or a similar version to that.

[00:43:04] Yeah.

[00:43:05] I mean, who knows?

[00:43:06] She's not here to tell us really, is she?

[00:43:08] And you know, there's probably no evidence.

[00:43:11] But my granddad used to be a policeman around Norwich and this was at the time where they had to go around and check all the doors to make sure places were locked up properly.

[00:43:22] And this place is where the door is, is through like a little archway and it goes into a cul-de-sac.

[00:43:31] So he literally checked the door, made sure it was locked and then just walked up the cul-de-sac bit and then came back.

[00:43:38] And when he came back, the door was wide open and he was like, I know for a fact, I just checked that.

[00:43:44] So he went in and all of the furniture was just like all over the place.

[00:43:50] And so he called in thinking that, you know, there was a burglary or something.

[00:43:55] But then he was like, but I literally shut the door, made sure the door shut like two minutes ago.

[00:44:01] So I don't really know what would happen.

[00:44:03] So that was a bit weird.

[00:44:05] Yeah, that's almost like poltergeist stuff.

[00:44:08] Yeah.

[00:44:09] Which I think if she'd been like eating her parents, she might have gone a bit crazy and...

[00:44:13] Well, yeah.

[00:44:14] Yeah.

[00:44:16] Especially if they had the plague.

[00:44:17] I mean, that's probably going to mess you up a bit.

[00:44:19] Yeah.

[00:44:20] I think the chemical imbalance or something might have...

[00:44:23] That's not going to do much for the brain, is it?

[00:44:25] No, not really.

[00:44:26] No.

[00:44:27] Brain digestive system, you know, the whole shebang, really.

[00:44:30] Exactly.

[00:44:31] Her head probably was spinning, but...

[00:44:33] Well, yeah.

[00:44:34] Yeah.

[00:44:35] Literally.

[00:44:35] Definitely.

[00:44:36] But yeah, that's a bit of a weird one.

[00:44:38] I mean, I used to think that I was the kind of only person in my family that used to see this stuff.

[00:44:44] But I had a conversation with my dad recently and he was like, oh, yeah, when your granddad died, his dad, and he was 18 when he died.

[00:44:53] He was like, one day I was just sat in the living room and looked up and he was in his armchair.

[00:44:58] And I was like, what?

[00:45:00] Okay.

[00:45:01] And he was like, and I've seen your mum and I've seen the dog.

[00:45:04] And I was like, so basically you're telling me that you've seen spirits all your life, yet you made me feel like a weirdo because I saw spirits.

[00:45:13] But I was like, thanks.

[00:45:14] Thanks very much.

[00:45:16] But I mean, my nieces see them.

[00:45:18] My mum used to see them.

[00:45:22] My granddad, the one who was the policeman, his mum used to actually be a tea leaf reader in Scotland.

[00:45:29] And people used to be like from the village used to go get their tea leaves read by her.

[00:45:33] So I think there's more to my family than people make out, but that's a job for somebody else to dig into.

[00:45:42] That'll be too time consuming.

[00:45:44] I'll get lost.

[00:45:45] I'll go to ADHD rabbit hole with that one, I think.

[00:45:49] And I'll never come out.

[00:45:51] No, no, you don't.

[00:45:52] Yeah.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:57] So with the alien stuff again, then, so do you think that, how can I word this?

[00:46:07] Do you think it's a bit like Men in Black?

[00:46:09] Do you think there's aliens here all the time?

[00:46:11] Or do you think that they come and go as they please?

[00:46:16] That's a really good question.

[00:46:18] I think if there was, I don't think we would have any bloody clue.

[00:46:24] Because I think they would be way more advanced than we are.

[00:46:31] Because, I mean, when you see the news, it's just evidence enough, isn't it, that we're not an advanced society.

[00:46:40] We are to a degree.

[00:46:42] Well, yeah, maybe.

[00:46:46] Up for debate.

[00:46:48] But, yeah, I think that we've...

[00:46:52] I don't think we would have any clue whatsoever if we walked past one in the street.

[00:46:57] The same as we wouldn't know a serial killer if we walked past one in the street.

[00:47:01] We'd maybe get a vibe.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:04] But I think it's the same kind of thing that you just wouldn't know unless they showed us.

[00:47:10] And they're not going to do that.

[00:47:12] Yeah, true, true.

[00:47:13] Because what I've started thinking about a lot recently with it is,

[00:47:17] because obviously you think aliens, everyone, like I say, straight away there we go to,

[00:47:22] well, they'll be more advanced than we are.

[00:47:25] Hmm.

[00:47:25] I've been thinking a lot, like, you know, is there a planet out there that essentially has, like, cavemen and stuff on?

[00:47:32] Probably.

[00:47:32] I mean, there is, like, less advanced.

[00:47:34] Like, that's something that interests me.

[00:47:37] Yeah.

[00:47:38] Well, you know, we can't be the...

[00:47:41] The same as we can't be the most advanced society, we can't also probably be the least advanced.

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:49] And, you know, I don't think...

[00:47:51] I think time's a really weird one as well.

[00:47:53] I don't think time and...

[00:47:54] I think...

[00:47:55] I believe in, like, different dimensions and parallels and stuff.

[00:47:59] Yeah.

[00:47:59] Well, time's really just a concept, really, isn't it?

[00:48:02] Yeah.

[00:48:03] I was saying this to my husband the other day.

[00:48:05] I was like, I remember distinctly being taught the time at school and sitting there.

[00:48:10] And I can see myself sat there on the mat and someone going, like, 12 o'clock, 2 o'clock, whatever.

[00:48:15] And me being, like, ugh, looking around.

[00:48:18] And then being like, you need to learn this.

[00:48:20] And being like, well, why?

[00:48:21] Why do I have to learn this?

[00:48:22] This sounds like rubbish.

[00:48:24] Yeah.

[00:48:25] Like...

[00:48:25] And I think at that young age I was just so much more switched on and thinking,

[00:48:30] I don't need to know about time.

[00:48:31] Time's irrelevant.

[00:48:33] I'm going to do what I want.

[00:48:34] Also, I mean, like I say, it kind of is.

[00:48:36] Because, like I say, there's other planets, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Mars, like, their

[00:48:40] day is, like, 25 hours or something like that.

[00:48:43] But, like...

[00:48:43] Yeah.

[00:48:44] That's only 25 hours to us.

[00:48:47] But, like, everything has to have been invented at some point.

[00:48:50] Exactly.

[00:48:50] Like, some person suddenly went, I'm going to tell people that this is the time.

[00:48:55] And this is how we're going to tell the time.

[00:48:58] Yeah.

[00:48:58] And it's different in every other country.

[00:49:01] Exactly.

[00:49:02] So, scientists are going to come before me, but...

[00:49:05] Yeah.

[00:49:06] Well, it's like China, isn't it?

[00:49:09] Because of where China is and, obviously, the different time zones in the world, because

[00:49:14] they don't...

[00:49:15] Like, America, obviously, they have different time zones and I'm pretty sure Russia probably

[00:49:19] do as well.

[00:49:20] Like, China refused to have different ones, so they just have one full time zone scene.

[00:49:25] So, like, on one side of their crew, it would be pitch black, but it's actually, like, half

[00:49:29] past 10 in the morning.

[00:49:30] Yeah.

[00:49:31] And then, on the other side, it's half past 10, but it's broad daylight.

[00:49:34] I just think that's mental.

[00:49:35] It's crazy.

[00:49:36] Yeah.

[00:49:36] Can you imagine?

[00:49:38] Exactly.

[00:49:38] You're like, what's the time where you are?

[00:49:40] 10.

[00:49:40] But it's dark.

[00:49:41] Yeah.

[00:49:42] Yeah, exactly.

[00:49:43] It's just weird.

[00:49:45] Very weird.

[00:49:46] Yeah.

[00:49:49] What else was it?

[00:49:50] Well, there we go.

[00:49:51] I've remembered what I was going to say earlier.

[00:49:54] See, I told you this would happen.

[00:49:55] Oh, it would come back.

[00:49:56] Yeah, exactly.

[00:49:58] Because we were talking about energies and stuff.

[00:50:01] So, it'd be a lot better if Billy was here, because me and him could have our little ligament

[00:50:05] that we always have.

[00:50:06] So, where do you stand with, like, residual energy?

[00:50:12] Um, hmm.

[00:50:13] Okay.

[00:50:14] This is a good one.

[00:50:16] Do you want me to tell you my thing first?

[00:50:18] Right?

[00:50:19] Because I have a little problem with it.

[00:50:21] So, like, Billy always has a go at me, because I say, essentially, I say that residual energy

[00:50:27] is bollocks.

[00:50:28] Because he always, because he always, I always say he uses a really bad example.

[00:50:32] So, he always says to me that, like, if we went to, say, I don't know, Ted Bundy's

[00:50:37] house, let's just say that.

[00:50:38] He's like, if you go in there, you're going to feel something.

[00:50:41] I'm like, yes, because I know where I am.

[00:50:44] And he's like, oh, yeah, but if you go into a hospital, you feel like that.

[00:50:47] I'm like, yes, because I know people have died there.

[00:50:49] And he's like, oh, if you go to a graveyard, you feel differently.

[00:50:52] Yes, because I'm in a fucking graveyard.

[00:50:53] There's dead bodies everywhere.

[00:50:54] Of course.

[00:50:55] Yeah.

[00:50:56] So, then, like, I say, so, then if we went to, like, I'll give you an example again, Ted

[00:51:00] Bundy's house, but I didn't know it was his house.

[00:51:02] In my opinion, I don't think I would feel anything.

[00:51:06] Hmm.

[00:51:07] Yeah.

[00:51:07] I mean, it's a weird one, because, I mean, because I see him feel things.

[00:51:14] Like, as an example, when we went to Sunderland Air Museum last time, I don't usually see,

[00:51:21] like, with my actual eyes, anything, but we were in, I think it was the American hangar,

[00:51:28] and they've got tanks all at the bottom.

[00:51:30] And I could see this bloke in full, you know, like, the overalls they wear in the military.

[00:51:37] Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:37] He was wearing those, and he was walking to and from and, like, around the tank,

[00:51:42] as though he was going about his business, like, fixing it.

[00:51:45] Yeah.

[00:51:46] And to me, that's what residual is, because he's just going about his business.

[00:51:51] Like, how I see it is, like, he loved working on tanks.

[00:51:58] That was his life.

[00:51:59] That's what he did.

[00:52:00] He could have grown up to actually be, like, a 90-year-old man, but when he died,

[00:52:06] for whatever reason, I don't know the answers to this,

[00:52:09] he decided that he wouldn't cross over.

[00:52:13] He'd come back and he'd start working on his tanks again.

[00:52:16] He'd go find this tank that he used to drive,

[00:52:20] because that was his happiest time in life,

[00:52:23] and decided that that's where we wanted to spend his time.

[00:52:27] Or, you know, like, an old couple that pass away in their house,

[00:52:32] yet they're going about their business every day, making a cup of tea,

[00:52:35] and you can hear, like, the whistle of a kettle,

[00:52:37] and then, like, footsteps walking to and from the lounge.

[00:52:41] To me, that's kind of residual.

[00:52:45] But, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying.

[00:52:49] It's very hard.

[00:52:50] I mean, I don't think none of us have the answers to these things.

[00:52:54] Oh, no, no, of course we don't.

[00:52:55] But to me, that's what makes it fun to talk about.

[00:52:58] Well, yeah, exactly, yeah.

[00:53:00] You could talk about it and argue it till, like, the cows come home, don't you?

[00:53:03] But I don't think until you actually see something.

[00:53:07] Like, we had a woman that we'd been communicating with through,

[00:53:14] what were we using?

[00:53:15] A pendulum.

[00:53:16] Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:17] We were using a pendulum, and we were asking questions.

[00:53:21] And I just don't know what it was,

[00:53:23] but I was, like, got the idea that she was a military wife.

[00:53:29] And I think I was identifying with her because I was a military wife.

[00:53:33] And we kind of asked questions, and it turns out that she was, like, there because she was waiting for her husband to come back.

[00:53:41] And she was basically living that day over and over and over again, which is a residual thing, isn't it?

[00:53:47] Just doing the same thing over and over.

[00:53:50] But we managed to, like, explain to her what had happened, because she didn't even realise she was dead.

[00:53:57] And then passed her over so she could be with her husband.

[00:54:00] So when you do things like that, that's quite nice.

[00:54:02] I quite like that.

[00:54:03] And you get a bit emotional and you're like,

[00:54:06] I've done a nice thing for somebody.

[00:54:07] They were stuck.

[00:54:09] But, yeah, she had no clue.

[00:54:11] So she was just going about her business.

[00:54:16] I think it's the same as sometimes when you go into these places,

[00:54:19] they see it as their house, and they're just going about their daily business that they used to.

[00:54:23] And you're just, like, a bunch of people with a load of equipment

[00:54:27] turning up to just shout at them and be like,

[00:54:30] Hello, are you here?

[00:54:32] What do you want?

[00:54:33] And they're probably like, bugger off.

[00:54:34] Nothing.

[00:54:37] You to leave my house.

[00:54:40] Yeah.

[00:54:41] I've never really thought about it like that.

[00:54:42] But when you said that, it just made me think of,

[00:54:45] do you remember that film, The Others?

[00:54:47] Just made me think of that.

[00:54:49] Yeah.

[00:54:50] It's a similar sort of thing, isn't it?

[00:54:53] Yeah.

[00:54:54] And I think that is a bit, like, what it is.

[00:54:58] Like, they're living their life and don't realise, like,

[00:55:01] when other people are moving in and stuff,

[00:55:02] they're like, who the hell are you?

[00:55:04] Like, in my house.

[00:55:05] Get out.

[00:55:06] And that's probably why they do make noise and then, you know,

[00:55:09] staring at you because you're like, you're in my bed.

[00:55:12] Like, get out.

[00:55:14] I'd do it if I was a ghost.

[00:55:16] I'd do it if I was a person.

[00:55:19] Like, what are you doing in my bed?

[00:55:21] Get out.

[00:55:21] Yeah, exactly.

[00:55:24] It'd just be weird.

[00:55:26] That just worries me now.

[00:55:28] I mean, like I said, that'd annoy the hell out of me.

[00:55:32] Like, if I become a ghost and I'm just stuck in my house

[00:55:34] and there's other people in here,

[00:55:36] like, doors will be getting banged

[00:55:38] and stuff will be getting chucked all over the place.

[00:55:40] But then that also, I think, was like,

[00:55:44] whenever you go to a paranormal investigation,

[00:55:46] you never get this, well, I haven't come across it yet,

[00:55:50] where you get, like, a spirit who's, like, quite happy

[00:55:52] that they, you know, just living their best life.

[00:55:55] And, you know, they're always somebody who's, like,

[00:55:59] doesn't understand they're dead.

[00:56:00] It's always somebody who is a bit disgruntled because you're there.

[00:56:03] It's somebody who doesn't want you there.

[00:56:05] Yeah.

[00:56:06] You know, it's all...

[00:56:07] But they are people that are stuck.

[00:56:10] I don't think it's very often that you get someone

[00:56:12] who has crossed over,

[00:56:14] who just likes to come back, you know,

[00:56:16] every now and again and be like,

[00:56:18] oh, hi, the other side's really good.

[00:56:21] You should join me.

[00:56:24] That's probably something I would do.

[00:56:27] Yeah.

[00:56:28] Just go from one to the other just to annoy people.

[00:56:31] Yeah, well, I imagine I'll get up to all sorts

[00:56:34] when I'm...

[00:56:36] Or I'd be that one.

[00:56:37] I'd, like, a lot of people come in and say, like,

[00:56:39] oh, bang on this,

[00:56:40] and I'd just sit there just laughing to myself,

[00:56:42] like, nope, not doing it.

[00:56:43] Yeah.

[00:56:44] I always picture that, like,

[00:56:45] when we're asking them to do things.

[00:56:46] I just imagine them all just sat there being like,

[00:56:49] here we go again.

[00:56:50] Not doing that.

[00:56:51] Can't be bothered.

[00:56:54] Or, like you say, you do something straight away

[00:56:56] and then just not do anything again.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:57:00] Yeah.

[00:57:01] I would love to be able to actually see.

[00:57:02] It's probably what happened to you.

[00:57:04] Can you imagine it?

[00:57:05] You just see them all, like,

[00:57:06] stroppy teenagers being like,

[00:57:07] not doing it.

[00:57:08] That's all I do it.

[00:57:09] I refuse.

[00:57:10] Yeah, that'd be funny.

[00:57:13] That would be true.

[00:57:14] So, obviously, we...

[00:57:15] Well, I mentioned earlier, like,

[00:57:17] poltergeists and stuff.

[00:57:19] So, where do you stand with that,

[00:57:22] with, like, evil spirits?

[00:57:27] Do you think that's a thing or...?

[00:57:30] I do...

[00:57:31] I do think so,

[00:57:32] but I don't think it's always what we think it is.

[00:57:38] Like, I tend to think of it as,

[00:57:41] if someone has had a horrible death,

[00:57:44] or, you know,

[00:57:46] they've done horrible things while they were alive,

[00:57:50] I think it's...

[00:57:51] I'm trying to think how the best way to describe this is.

[00:57:55] You know when,

[00:57:56] if someone's, like,

[00:57:57] a bit of a knob in actual life?

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:01] Then I would imagine they're probably a bit of a knob

[00:58:03] when they die,

[00:58:04] if they were a ghost.

[00:58:06] Like,

[00:58:08] you sometimes see it with, like,

[00:58:10] actual good, you know,

[00:58:11] proper mediums,

[00:58:12] where they bring someone through

[00:58:13] and they'd be like,

[00:58:14] oh, he's a bit cranky,

[00:58:16] you know,

[00:58:17] and someone would be like,

[00:58:18] oh, yeah,

[00:58:18] he was always a bit of a moody bastard.

[00:58:21] You know,

[00:58:22] I think that's the same thing.

[00:58:23] I think if someone was a serial killer,

[00:58:25] they're always going to be a bit of a serial killer.

[00:58:28] You know,

[00:58:28] if someone's a bit of a perv,

[00:58:29] I think they'll always be a bit of a perv.

[00:58:31] So, I think it's the same kind of thing.

[00:58:33] I don't think you magically...

[00:58:36] How I always heard it was,

[00:58:38] someone I know,

[00:58:39] who's a really well-known medium,

[00:58:41] she says that,

[00:58:43] basically,

[00:58:44] when we die,

[00:58:45] we, like,

[00:58:47] are bathed in what we've sown throughout our life.

[00:58:50] So, if we have been, like,

[00:58:52] horrible,

[00:58:53] done hideous things,

[00:58:55] if we do actually get to cross over,

[00:58:57] this is,

[00:58:57] we disintegrate into the evil

[00:59:00] that we've created throughout our lives

[00:59:02] and we get to feel what we've done.

[00:59:05] And that soul shouldn't ever be,

[00:59:08] you know,

[00:59:08] repurposed or whatever you call it,

[00:59:10] reincarnated.

[00:59:11] Yeah.

[00:59:12] Repurposed,

[00:59:13] it sounds like a living,

[00:59:14] you know,

[00:59:14] handy thing,

[00:59:15] but...

[00:59:17] And then,

[00:59:17] you know,

[00:59:18] if you're good,

[00:59:18] you get to bathe in all the good,

[00:59:20] loving,

[00:59:21] happy stuff

[00:59:22] and then,

[00:59:23] you know,

[00:59:24] you know,

[00:59:26] go around heaven all happy

[00:59:27] and living

[00:59:28] your best life.

[00:59:29] But,

[00:59:30] I don't know,

[00:59:31] I think it's...

[00:59:33] I think also,

[00:59:34] some people

[00:59:35] maybe don't understand

[00:59:36] what's happened to them

[00:59:38] and can't quite

[00:59:40] get their head around it.

[00:59:41] Like,

[00:59:41] I know if I'd died

[00:59:42] and I didn't cross over

[00:59:44] and I couldn't see,

[00:59:44] like,

[00:59:45] my granddad,

[00:59:45] my mum,

[00:59:46] my family

[00:59:47] and I was just stuck

[00:59:48] in this house

[00:59:49] by myself

[00:59:50] not knowing what was going on,

[00:59:51] I think I'd be,

[00:59:52] like,

[00:59:52] in 20 years' time

[00:59:53] really pissed off.

[00:59:55] Yeah.

[00:59:56] because I was stuck

[00:59:57] and I didn't know

[00:59:58] how to get out

[00:59:59] and I think sometimes

[01:00:01] when spirits do

[01:00:04] express

[01:00:05] how they express it

[01:00:06] over,

[01:00:07] like,

[01:00:07] communications with us

[01:00:08] if they do want to go

[01:00:10] I think it's our duty

[01:00:11] if we can

[01:00:12] to help them

[01:00:14] because I don't think

[01:00:15] it's fair

[01:00:15] just keeping them

[01:00:16] in that position

[01:00:17] just so we can go back

[01:00:18] in a month's time

[01:00:19] to,

[01:00:20] you know,

[01:00:20] investigate again

[01:00:21] or whatever.

[01:00:22] Yeah,

[01:00:22] exactly.

[01:00:23] Yeah,

[01:00:23] yeah.

[01:00:24] You know,

[01:00:25] some are quite happy

[01:00:25] where they are

[01:00:26] and they don't want to move

[01:00:27] but if they do

[01:00:29] then I think

[01:00:30] that's the best way.

[01:00:30] So,

[01:00:31] I think,

[01:00:32] yeah,

[01:00:32] I think there's some nasty

[01:00:33] things out there

[01:00:34] but I also think

[01:00:36] one,

[01:00:36] you should really

[01:00:37] protect yourself anyway

[01:00:38] you should know

[01:00:38] what you're

[01:00:39] getting into

[01:00:42] I also think

[01:00:43] if you know

[01:00:44] something is,

[01:00:45] like,

[01:00:45] really,

[01:00:46] really bad

[01:00:46] you should maybe,

[01:00:47] like,

[01:00:47] stay clear

[01:00:49] not put yourself

[01:00:50] in that position

[01:00:52] unless,

[01:00:53] you know,

[01:00:53] you really want to

[01:00:56] but I know for me

[01:00:57] like,

[01:00:58] there's certain places

[01:00:58] that I'd never set foot in

[01:01:00] just because I know

[01:01:01] that I wouldn't want

[01:01:02] to put myself

[01:01:02] anywhere near that energy.

[01:01:06] See,

[01:01:06] I'm the opposite

[01:01:07] they're the kinds of places

[01:01:08] I'd like to go.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:12] Just,

[01:01:12] like I said,

[01:01:13] just because I have

[01:01:14] such in,

[01:01:17] because,

[01:01:18] like I say,

[01:01:18] I believe in stuff

[01:01:19] where I'm not sure

[01:01:19] what I believe in

[01:01:20] I sort of think

[01:01:22] places like that

[01:01:23] you know,

[01:01:24] you're going to get

[01:01:24] a bit more

[01:01:25] from it

[01:01:27] and especially,

[01:01:28] like you say,

[01:01:29] if I go in there

[01:01:30] and just,

[01:01:30] like,

[01:01:30] sort of be like,

[01:01:31] like,

[01:01:32] what?

[01:01:32] This is bollocks.

[01:01:33] Then,

[01:01:34] you know,

[01:01:34] try and,

[01:01:35] this sounds horrible

[01:01:36] and probably something

[01:01:37] is definitely

[01:01:38] something you shouldn't do

[01:01:39] but I'd kind of like

[01:01:39] to go in there

[01:01:40] and sort of,

[01:01:40] like,

[01:01:40] rile it up a little bit.

[01:01:42] Yeah,

[01:01:42] there's a few people

[01:01:43] that I know

[01:01:44] that do that kind of thing.

[01:01:45] Yeah.

[01:01:46] I mean,

[01:01:46] I'm pretty sure

[01:01:47] you're probably not

[01:01:50] I don't know

[01:01:50] because I think

[01:01:51] because I'm such,

[01:01:53] you know,

[01:01:55] in the middle of it

[01:01:56] I just,

[01:01:56] I don't know,

[01:01:56] I'd have to be

[01:01:57] really proven something.

[01:02:01] Like I say,

[01:02:02] our little investigation

[01:02:03] thing we did,

[01:02:04] like,

[01:02:05] we got,

[01:02:06] like,

[01:02:06] three things,

[01:02:08] like,

[01:02:08] bits of evidence

[01:02:09] you can say

[01:02:09] all going off

[01:02:10] at the same time

[01:02:10] so,

[01:02:11] like,

[01:02:11] that did make me think,

[01:02:12] right,

[01:02:12] there's definitely

[01:02:12] something here to this

[01:02:15] sort of thing.

[01:02:17] Yeah,

[01:02:17] there's a few people

[01:02:18] on my team

[01:02:19] that like to rile things up.

[01:02:20] A brilliant example

[01:02:21] is that

[01:02:22] when we were

[01:02:23] at Sunderland Air Museum

[01:02:24] last,

[01:02:25] Liam and I

[01:02:26] had won a poll

[01:02:28] in the Facebook group

[01:02:29] to do loan vigils

[01:02:30] for an hour

[01:02:30] by ourselves

[01:02:31] in a hangar.

[01:02:33] So,

[01:02:33] he was going to

[01:02:34] That doesn't sound

[01:02:34] like a prize.

[01:02:36] Well,

[01:02:36] no,

[01:02:37] that sounds like

[01:02:38] you're lost.

[01:02:39] Yeah,

[01:02:40] that sounds like

[01:02:40] I was really not happy.

[01:02:43] But we,

[01:02:45] I was meant to go

[01:02:46] in the American hangar.

[01:02:47] So,

[01:02:47] when we first started

[01:02:48] the investigation,

[01:02:49] Liam and Mike

[01:02:50] went in the American hangar

[01:02:52] and Sarah and I

[01:02:53] went in the one

[01:02:53] next to them

[01:02:55] when we first

[01:02:57] started things off.

[01:02:58] And Sarah and I

[01:02:58] were doing our investigation

[01:03:00] and I kept hearing

[01:03:01] like screaming

[01:03:01] and shouting

[01:03:02] and I was like,

[01:03:03] what the hell

[01:03:04] is going on?

[01:03:05] And so,

[01:03:06] we had walkie-talkies

[01:03:08] because it's such a big place.

[01:03:09] We were like asking them

[01:03:10] what was going on

[01:03:10] and they were like,

[01:03:11] oh,

[01:03:11] we're just in here

[01:03:12] reenacting the war,

[01:03:13] you know,

[01:03:13] getting them warmed up.

[01:03:15] And I thought,

[01:03:16] yeah,

[01:03:16] you're getting them

[01:03:16] all warmed up

[01:03:17] because you know

[01:03:17] I'm spending an hour

[01:03:18] alone in there later.

[01:03:21] It backfired on him though

[01:03:22] because nothing happened

[01:03:23] while I was in there

[01:03:24] and he ended up

[01:03:25] having a horrible time

[01:03:26] when he was alone in his.

[01:03:28] Oh,

[01:03:28] lovely.

[01:03:29] So,

[01:03:30] it completely backfired.

[01:03:31] Yeah.

[01:03:32] Maybe they knew

[01:03:32] what he was doing

[01:03:33] and thought,

[01:03:34] no,

[01:03:34] no,

[01:03:34] right,

[01:03:34] we'll get him now instead.

[01:03:35] Yeah.

[01:03:36] I think,

[01:03:36] you know,

[01:03:37] I think they probably thought,

[01:03:38] she's nice and respectful.

[01:03:41] We'll leave him alone.

[01:03:44] I'm quite hot on my boundaries.

[01:03:46] I tell them like straight away,

[01:03:47] I'm like,

[01:03:48] you can't touch me,

[01:03:49] you can't hurt me.

[01:03:50] I'm here with respect.

[01:03:51] You need to respect me.

[01:03:53] It's a two-way street.

[01:03:58] I try my best

[01:03:59] not to have anything bad happen.

[01:04:01] Yeah.

[01:04:02] Because,

[01:04:02] again,

[01:04:03] that's something me and

[01:04:05] Billy

[01:04:06] go back and forth

[01:04:07] on and sort of have little

[01:04:08] arguments about

[01:04:09] and stuff like,

[01:04:10] because he always says to me,

[01:04:12] like,

[01:04:12] if we were sat in a room

[01:04:13] and a door just slammed,

[01:04:14] he always says that I'd be scared,

[01:04:16] but I say I wouldn't

[01:04:18] because straight away,

[01:04:19] like I said,

[01:04:20] to be logical,

[01:04:21] I'd think of a logical reason

[01:04:23] why that could happen.

[01:04:25] First,

[01:04:26] a window open

[01:04:27] or another door open

[01:04:28] or something.

[01:04:29] Because I always say,

[01:04:31] if we weren't facing the door

[01:04:32] and it happened,

[01:04:33] that would scare me more

[01:04:34] because to me,

[01:04:35] it sounds as scarier

[01:04:37] than anything else.

[01:04:38] Yeah,

[01:04:38] there's a big bang

[01:04:39] that anyone would jump.

[01:04:40] Exactly.

[01:04:41] Exactly.

[01:04:41] Especially,

[01:04:42] like I said,

[01:04:42] if you're not looking at anybody.

[01:04:43] If I looked at a door

[01:04:45] and seen it slam,

[01:04:46] it wouldn't bother me

[01:04:47] nowhere near as much.

[01:04:48] Yeah.

[01:04:48] Does that make any sense?

[01:04:50] Yeah.

[01:04:51] No,

[01:04:51] it does,

[01:04:51] yeah.

[01:04:52] I think I'd,

[01:04:53] I mean,

[01:04:53] I'm probably the same.

[01:04:54] Like,

[01:04:55] if anything does happen,

[01:04:56] I'm kind of like,

[01:04:57] well,

[01:04:57] why did that just happen?

[01:05:00] Like,

[01:05:00] bizarre.

[01:05:01] Yeah.

[01:05:02] But then that probably makes

[01:05:03] like good investigators,

[01:05:05] though,

[01:05:05] because we're not like,

[01:05:06] ooh,

[01:05:06] everything's a ghost.

[01:05:08] Yeah,

[01:05:09] exactly.

[01:05:10] We,

[01:05:10] I mean,

[01:05:10] with our team,

[01:05:11] we try and like debunk

[01:05:12] everything as much as possible.

[01:05:14] Um,

[01:05:15] I mean,

[01:05:15] I took a picture once

[01:05:16] when we were somewhere

[01:05:17] and it was like a bar

[01:05:19] and it really looked like a face

[01:05:21] and I was like,

[01:05:23] even went over there

[01:05:24] and I was looking up close

[01:05:25] at things

[01:05:26] and I was like,

[01:05:26] well,

[01:05:26] could it be that?

[01:05:27] Could it be that?

[01:05:28] Could it be that?

[01:05:28] And I was like,

[01:05:29] I cannot debunk

[01:05:30] what that is

[01:05:31] because

[01:05:32] I just can't,

[01:05:33] there's nothing there

[01:05:34] that it could have been.

[01:05:37] But,

[01:05:38] not everyone does that.

[01:05:40] Well,

[01:05:41] a little strange one

[01:05:41] that I've had,

[01:05:42] the only thing

[01:05:43] that's ever,

[01:05:45] physical things

[01:05:46] because I hear noises

[01:05:47] a lot,

[01:05:48] well,

[01:05:49] since I've been doing this really,

[01:05:50] I hear a lot of weird noises

[01:05:52] in my ears sometimes

[01:05:53] nowadays.

[01:05:54] Mm.

[01:05:54] Don't know why.

[01:05:55] But the only like,

[01:05:56] physical thing that's happened

[01:05:57] so it was my birthday in July.

[01:05:59] Any regular listeners

[01:06:00] will have heard this story

[01:06:01] a few times now

[01:06:02] so I'll try to keep it brief.

[01:06:05] So it was my birthday in July

[01:06:06] obviously,

[01:06:06] I had all the birthday cards

[01:06:08] up on all the shelves,

[01:06:08] windowsills and that.

[01:06:10] And then I come down one day

[01:06:11] like two days after a summit

[01:06:13] and all my birthday cards

[01:06:15] were just on the floor.

[01:06:17] There's other things

[01:06:18] on the shelves

[01:06:19] and everything

[01:06:19] there was even things

[01:06:21] in front of some of the cards

[01:06:22] or every single card

[01:06:23] was on the floor.

[01:06:25] Weird.

[01:06:26] And nothing else.

[01:06:27] Yeah.

[01:06:28] Yeah.

[01:06:29] To me,

[01:06:29] that's just like a ghost

[01:06:31] that doesn't like birthdays.

[01:06:32] That's just like,

[01:06:32] all right, fine.

[01:06:35] Yeah.

[01:06:36] Blow out the candles.

[01:06:37] Yeah.

[01:06:40] Exactly.

[01:06:43] Yeah.

[01:06:43] No,

[01:06:43] I'd probably take that

[01:06:44] as a bit of a sign

[01:06:45] if that happened to me.

[01:06:47] Yeah.

[01:06:48] Just no more cards.

[01:06:49] I mean,

[01:06:50] weirdly though,

[01:06:50] I always say birthday cards

[01:06:51] are pointless actually

[01:06:52] so maybe it's one

[01:06:53] that agrees with me.

[01:06:55] It could well be,

[01:06:56] yeah.

[01:06:56] They could be like

[01:06:56] trying to save the environment

[01:06:58] and be like,

[01:06:58] don't put cards up.

[01:07:00] Don't send cards.

[01:07:01] Yeah.

[01:07:01] Because they're just going

[01:07:02] to bed.

[01:07:02] Put trees down.

[01:07:04] All they do is go in the bin.

[01:07:06] Well,

[01:07:06] yeah,

[01:07:06] exactly.

[01:07:07] Yeah.

[01:07:07] Unless you're one of these

[01:07:08] strange people

[01:07:09] that keeps them all.

[01:07:10] Which I don't see the point of.

[01:07:11] I used to do that

[01:07:12] and then I just decided

[01:07:13] they were taking up

[01:07:14] way too much room.

[01:07:16] Yeah.

[01:07:16] Well,

[01:07:16] I've got members

[01:07:17] of my family do it

[01:07:18] and then,

[01:07:18] because I've been asked

[01:07:19] to send Christmas cards

[01:07:20] out like years ago

[01:07:22] and then they all

[01:07:23] have a go at me

[01:07:23] like,

[01:07:24] oh,

[01:07:24] well,

[01:07:24] I've not had a card

[01:07:25] off you this year.

[01:07:26] And I'm like,

[01:07:26] well,

[01:07:26] you keep them all,

[01:07:27] don't you?

[01:07:27] They go,

[01:07:28] yeah.

[01:07:28] I'm like,

[01:07:28] well,

[01:07:29] just put the last one up.

[01:07:29] I'll give you it.

[01:07:30] I'll say the exact same thing.

[01:07:32] You know what I mean?

[01:07:33] It's just wasted time.

[01:07:34] It's not going to change.

[01:07:35] Merry Christmas.

[01:07:35] Exactly.

[01:07:37] My name's still the same.

[01:07:38] Your name's still the same.

[01:07:39] It's exactly the same

[01:07:40] as everyone else.

[01:07:42] Exactly.

[01:07:44] Yeah,

[01:07:45] that's a good point.

[01:07:45] Yeah.

[01:07:46] I think that the only ones

[01:07:47] I did actually end up

[01:07:48] keeping was ones like,

[01:07:50] you know,

[01:07:50] like the last birthday card

[01:07:52] my mum sent me

[01:07:52] and like the last Christmas card

[01:07:54] my granddad sent me.

[01:07:56] But I think a lot of the time,

[01:07:58] I think that's why I realised

[01:07:59] that I was keeping cards

[01:08:00] because I was like,

[01:08:01] well,

[01:08:01] I'm keeping stuff

[01:08:02] just in case.

[01:08:03] Yeah.

[01:08:04] Like,

[01:08:05] you know,

[01:08:05] something happens to someone

[01:08:06] which is a really horrible,

[01:08:07] morbid thing to do.

[01:08:10] So I was like,

[01:08:11] yeah,

[01:08:11] I'll stop that.

[01:08:14] That's like when my husband

[01:08:15] was in the military.

[01:08:15] I used to keep every single message

[01:08:17] that he ever sent me

[01:08:18] just in case something happened,

[01:08:19] which is a horrible,

[01:08:20] morbid thing to do.

[01:08:21] But I was like,

[01:08:22] if anything did happen,

[01:08:23] I'd be really sad

[01:08:24] that I didn't have anything to read.

[01:08:28] And it's sort of been

[01:08:29] half realistic with it

[01:08:30] as well,

[01:08:30] I suppose.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:32] Yeah.

[01:08:32] I think that has helped me

[01:08:35] like doing the paranormal

[01:08:36] investigations has helped me

[01:08:38] with my kind of outlook on death

[01:08:42] because I used to be really scared of it.

[01:08:44] But now I know that there is definitely more to

[01:08:48] what happens to us.

[01:08:50] And I think that's quite comforting as well.

[01:08:51] Yeah,

[01:08:52] yeah,

[01:08:53] definitely.

[01:08:53] Definitely.

[01:08:54] It's definitely helped.

[01:08:56] My,

[01:08:56] my,

[01:08:56] my,

[01:08:57] my thing with death is

[01:08:58] strange.

[01:08:59] Like I'm not,

[01:09:01] I'm not scared of dying.

[01:09:02] Don't want to,

[01:09:04] but I'm not scared of it.

[01:09:05] Yeah.

[01:09:06] Like I said,

[01:09:06] if we get logical,

[01:09:08] that just like,

[01:09:09] you know,

[01:09:09] it's going to happen.

[01:09:10] Yeah.

[01:09:11] Yeah.

[01:09:11] Well,

[01:09:11] it's the only thing that is certain in this world,

[01:09:14] isn't it?

[01:09:15] Exactly.

[01:09:15] Death and taxes.

[01:09:17] Oh yeah.

[01:09:19] That's what I mean.

[01:09:20] Like if I,

[01:09:20] if I die tomorrow,

[01:09:22] then I die tomorrow.

[01:09:23] I'd rather,

[01:09:23] it'd be when I'm like 19.

[01:09:24] Really shit game of flow.

[01:09:26] Would you rather,

[01:09:26] would you rather?

[01:09:29] Death or taxes?

[01:09:32] Death.

[01:09:36] Either way,

[01:09:36] you've got no money.

[01:09:37] Exactly.

[01:09:39] You just can't take it with you.

[01:09:40] Exactly.

[01:09:43] Right.

[01:09:45] I think,

[01:09:45] I think we'll call it there then,

[01:09:46] Michelle.

[01:09:47] So I've really enjoyed that.

[01:09:48] Yeah.

[01:09:49] That has been fun.

[01:09:50] I've enjoyed it.

[01:09:51] Do you want to let people know where they can find you and find your podcast?

[01:09:55] Yeah.

[01:09:55] So I'm on YouTube is where you can see all the spooky images that go along with the podcast

[01:10:01] that my fabulous podcast manager,

[01:10:04] Tom creates for me,

[01:10:06] which are getting spookier and spookier as time goes on.

[01:10:09] And I love it.

[01:10:10] I've told him,

[01:10:11] I've given him strict instructions that nothing is too creepy.

[01:10:15] So he's got free reign.

[01:10:18] I'm also on Spotify,

[01:10:21] Apple,

[01:10:21] all streaming platforms,

[01:10:23] TikTok,

[01:10:25] shell spooky stories,

[01:10:27] just shell spooky stories everywhere,

[01:10:29] really.

[01:10:30] And I do all different things on different platforms.

[01:10:34] But yeah,

[01:10:35] that's where you can find me.

[01:10:37] Cool.

[01:10:37] Cool.

[01:10:37] Cool.

[01:10:38] Right then guys.

[01:10:39] So thank you for listening.

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[01:10:54] So we shall speak to you next time.

[01:10:56] And well,

[01:10:56] maybe Billy will be here,

[01:10:57] but probably not at this rate.

[01:10:58] Well,

[01:10:59] thank you for listening.

[01:10:59] We'll see you next time.

[01:11:01] Bye.

[01:11:01] Bye.

[01:11:02] Bye.