Let's Talk About... The Flying Dutchman! Ep.26

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[00:03:33] kitchen, you expect abuse and that's part of the job. And my nickname was Sabertooth.

[00:03:41] I kind of liked it though. I'm not going to lie.

[00:03:43] Well we'll stick with that or Tinopener.

[00:03:45] Yeah, Sabertooth will stick with that. Captain Sabertooth will go with that.

[00:03:49] Captain Tinopener.

[00:03:50] No, no, no, no, no. That's not a thing. I'd probably, I would have gone fastest as

[00:03:55] well mate. So I'll go different. I'll go best firepower, why not? In terms of my ship's

[00:04:04] name, let's make it funny, the Millennium Falcon.

[00:04:12] Fair enough. You've got too much Star Wars in there for me.

[00:04:18] It's great. It's great. Captain Wilhelm Veederloft in the Millennium Falcon.

[00:04:22] Where's the helm bit from?

[00:04:25] I don't know. I used to have, well actually it does have context. I used to work in V&M

[00:04:29] and there was an older lady there who randomly used to call me Wilhelm. No apparent reason.

[00:04:34] Fair enough.

[00:04:35] What? Yeah?

[00:04:36] Because obviously your name is William really isn't it?

[00:04:39] No.

[00:04:40] Do you want a serial killer name you?

[00:04:43] Do I?

[00:04:44] William J Price, that sounds like a murderer.

[00:04:46] It sounds like a king.

[00:04:47] I'm just sex offender.

[00:04:50] Joking.

[00:04:51] Jesus. Saber tooth, the prolific sex offender. Let's leave it at that.

[00:04:58] Turn that out. That's weird. Jesus wept.

[00:05:04] Right so Liam any ideas on what we're doing today from those questions?

[00:05:07] I'm going to say a pirate's name, the flying Dutchman.

[00:05:09] The flying Dutchman mate. That is what we're doing today.

[00:05:12] So obviously it's a mystery and it's a ghost ship legend story. So just a bit of

[00:05:19] context. So for centuries seafarers have whispered tales of ghostly apparitions and supernatural

[00:05:24] occurrences but none has captivated the imagination quite like the mystery of the

[00:05:29] flying Dutchman. Does its appearance signal a pending doom? Was the flying Dutchman

[00:05:35] real? Let's go into the story and find out some details.

[00:05:40] I just think SpongeBob now though as well when I think flying Dutchman. It wasn't

[00:05:47] called that SpongeBob was it? No it was called...

[00:05:50] Or was it Davy Jones had a different name on it?

[00:05:53] Davy Jones. It was Davy Jones. It was...

[00:05:55] Was it called something else? Yeah.

[00:05:57] Ah fuck knows.

[00:05:59] Originating in the 18th century, the most common version of the flying Dutchman story

[00:06:04] recounts a cursed ship doomed to sail the oceans for eternity, never able to

[00:06:09] make port. It's said that the ship's captain, commonly known as Hendrik, not Davy Jones,

[00:06:17] but sometimes referred to as Willem or Philippe. There's plenty more here mate, are you ready

[00:06:22] for this? So van der Decken, also known as variations such as van der Decken, but

[00:06:28] obviously van der Decken previously is van der Decken or all is one. And then the

[00:06:34] last one being van der Straten. So I'm going to refer to him probably as Hendrik

[00:06:40] or Philippe. So he defied nature's fury by stubbornly challenging a violent storm

[00:06:48] at the Cape of Good Hope. He vowed to navigate the treacherous waters even if it took

[00:06:54] him until the end of time. His oath, as the story goes, condemned both him and

[00:07:00] his ships... Sorry. Both him and his ship to an eternal odyssey, doomed to wander

[00:07:06] the seas for all eternity. But what of the truth about the flying Dutchman?

[00:07:11] He was the flying Dutchman on SpongeBob, but if Davy Jones' locker and it was full

[00:07:18] of socks... Carry on mate. Full of socks. Who says you don't get quality on this

[00:07:25] podcast then? That's it, that's it. I just love how it's just in there. He saw

[00:07:29] it in the opening and he took it. Moving on. But what of the truth about the flying

[00:07:35] Dutchman? Is it a symbol of man's hubris against the unstoppable forces of nature?

[00:07:42] Is the story of the ship more of a cautionary tale that goes beyond the literal, perhaps

[00:07:47] a warning of the consequences of excessive overconfidence, arrogance or obsession? Or

[00:07:53] was the flying Dutchman real? And is it true that spotting the flying Dutchman

[00:07:58] ghost ship in the open ocean or trying to make contact with it brings about a curse?

[00:08:04] Let's set sail on a spooky sea going sojourn in an attempt to shed some light on the

[00:08:08] mystery of the flying Dutchman. As with all stories passed down through the annals

[00:08:14] of time, each telling and retelling of the flying Dutchman myth adds a little

[00:08:19] or takes something away. The most popular version of the flying Dutchman story tells

[00:08:24] a ship's captain, sorry, tells of a ship's captain commanding a Dutch East India Company

[00:08:30] ship. East India Company always reminds me of Pirates of Caribbean by the way. Just think

[00:08:35] bastards every time. Making his way back to the Netherlands from the East Indies. Other

[00:08:41] retellings of the story have the ship sailing from the Netherlands to the East Indies. As

[00:08:47] they approached the treacherous waters of the Cape of Good Hope, a fierce storm began

[00:08:51] to brew. Instead of seeking shelter or changing course, Captain Van der Decken, known for his

[00:08:58] stubbornness and pride swore to blasphemous oath, promising to traverse the Cape no matter how long it took.

[00:09:21] I've never seen a Dutch player with a shit name.

[00:09:24] Ian Robin.

[00:09:25] Yeah, but Ian's quite good.

[00:09:27] Yeah, Ian's quite good, but Robin is a bit boring compared to some.

[00:09:31] It's like the borough's centre-half. Rav Vandenberg.

[00:09:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:35] That's a good name isn't it?

[00:09:36] It's like Italians, they all have cool as fuck names.

[00:09:38] Although there is another one, however his first name's quite good, Memphis De Pye,

[00:09:41] but the second name is De Pye. I am De Pye.

[00:09:44] It's like Italians, Italians all have class names.

[00:09:46] Oh, Italians Enzo Ferrari. I mean...

[00:09:48] But they all just sound like your coolest fucking...

[00:09:52] Yeah, yeah. Andrea Perlo.

[00:09:54] Fabio.

[00:09:55] Fabio Costipello. All sorts of names.

[00:09:57] Oh, yeah. Like I'm weird on that one mate. Enzo Ferrari is the coolest name.

[00:10:01] They all just sound cool as fuck.

[00:10:03] Yeah, they do. They're 100% man.

[00:10:04] They're mainly, they all look it like you say, Andrea Perlo. Like he's the coolest man alive.

[00:10:07] Well, it is. It's just class personified.

[00:10:11] Good man. That's the one.

[00:10:13] You're fucking mine there lad. Now carry on with the pirates.

[00:10:16] Aye.

[00:10:17] See what I did there?

[00:10:18] Not like digressing there is there?

[00:10:21] Come on Captain Pugwash.

[00:10:24] Aye, it's fucking Wilhelm Vetterloft.

[00:10:27] Aye.

[00:10:28] It is.

[00:10:31] We'll put Sabertooth in the middle.

[00:10:33] Captain Wilhelm Sabertooth Vetterloft. Christ that's hard to say.

[00:10:36] Jesus Christ man.

[00:10:37] Right, moving on.

[00:10:39] In some versions it's said he challenged God directly,

[00:10:42] or that he was drunk and his stupor dismissed the dangers.

[00:10:46] Whatever his precise defiance, as a result the ship and its crew were cursed.

[00:10:51] They were doomed to sail the world's oceans for eternity, never able to make port.

[00:10:57] One less commonly told version of the story of the Flying Dutchman Goat Ship is that of Captain Falkenberg.

[00:11:03] That's another good one for you mate.

[00:11:05] Much of the story is the same as that of Van der Decken.

[00:11:10] Van der Decken, swearing a blasphemous oath, making a pact with the devil or refusing to turn back from the dangerous waters.

[00:11:17] However one specific element in some versions of the Falkenberg tale is his pension for dice games.

[00:11:26] Dice games?

[00:11:28] That was a big thing wasn't it?

[00:11:30] It was massive.

[00:11:31] It was massive.

[00:11:32] They have that erm...

[00:11:34] You know that part was in the Caribbean?

[00:11:35] I was just going to say mate, every little thing we're going to go back to the parts of the Caribbean.

[00:11:38] But they do don't they, they have the dice and whether they spend an eternity on the Flying Dutchman or whips and shit like that.

[00:11:45] There's a question with this very digressed episode.

[00:11:49] It's very let's talk about yeah.

[00:11:53] Who says Kraken the best?

[00:11:55] Davy Jones.

[00:11:56] Release the Kraken!

[00:11:59] He doesn't say that, he doesn't actually say release the Kraken though.

[00:12:02] He doesn't say the release.

[00:12:03] Does he not?

[00:12:04] No, that's on Clash of the Titans.

[00:12:06] Oh is it?

[00:12:07] It's Liam Neeson isn't it?

[00:12:08] Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:12:10] Right.

[00:12:11] David Jones he just goes, they're Kraken.

[00:12:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:14] Not Liam Neeson.

[00:12:16] I don't know what I do like David Jones is they're Kraken.

[00:12:18] They're Kraken!

[00:12:19] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:20] What's happening?

[00:12:21] I don't know what the hell we're doing.

[00:12:23] We're Kraken up.

[00:12:25] Right now let's crack on.

[00:12:30] Oh this is a Kraken episode.

[00:12:32] Oh fucks sake.

[00:12:34] We've gone too far now.

[00:12:39] Please leave that in.

[00:12:40] It won't help.

[00:12:42] I'll tell you.

[00:12:46] Ooh.

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[00:14:12] friendly green witch wherever you get your podcasts. It's said that during

[00:14:19] the fateful voyage he played a game of dice with the devil or a

[00:14:22] supernatural entity and lost. That's where they must have got that from

[00:14:26] then. Interesting. The stakes of his game were none other than his soul and

[00:14:30] his fate of his ship. Then the soul and the fate of the ship, sorry. After

[00:14:34] losing he and his crew were condemned to sail the seas forever unable to

[00:14:39] make port. There's a lot of that in this but yes. Right bear with me. It's believed

[00:14:47] that the story first appeared in print in 1790 in a book written by

[00:14:52] John MacDonald called Travels in Various Parts of Europe Asia and

[00:14:56] Africa during a series of 30 years and upward. So this is a quote as well by

[00:15:04] John MacDonald. So the weather was so stormy that the sailors said they saw

[00:15:09] the flying Dutchman. The common story is that this Dutchman came to the

[00:15:13] Cape in distress of weather and wanted to get into harbor but could not get

[00:15:18] a pilot to conduct her and was lost and that ever and that ever since in

[00:15:24] very bad weather her vision appears. That was horrible saying that. It's

[00:15:28] because it's olden day like the way it's written so you're like double

[00:15:32] checking yourself. Horrible. Well that is the origins of the flying Dutchman

[00:15:39] mystery. So another one. Was the flying Dutchman real? I hope so. I know I

[00:15:46] know I believe it also good stories come from something man. So while the

[00:15:51] story of the famous ghost ship is most likely a fable to many, the truth

[00:15:58] about the flying Dutchman is eerily real. When sailors out on the open seas

[00:16:04] reported seeing the flying Dutchman it was often taken as a warning of a

[00:16:08] looming storm, impending disaster or some other form of misfortune. The

[00:16:13] supposed ghostly apparition with its spectacle glow and phantom crew was

[00:16:18] seen as an ill omen signaling that something malevolent was at foot. In

[00:16:25] some tales the flying Dutchman would try to signal ships attempting to send

[00:16:30] messages to the land of the living, often with dire warnings of cryptid

[00:16:34] messages. Comet. I've gone back to Spongebob because he said something about a foot. I'm just thinking Aquaman now he rules a foot.

[00:16:43] It's not Aquaman, it's Mermaid Man. I was gonna say that's not Aquaman. Mermaid man and barnacle boy.

[00:16:50] He rules a foot. Who the hell is listening to this?

[00:16:56] Furthermore, attempting to hail or make contact with a flying Dutchman was

[00:17:01] thought to bring about a curse. Sailors believed that interacting with

[00:17:05] the cursed ship could result in their own vessel suffering a similar

[00:17:08] fate, becoming doomed to wander the seas forever. In certain versions of the law,

[00:17:13] hearing the ghostly crew's voices or the eerie sounds emanating from the

[00:17:17] ship would mean certain death or misfortune for those who heard them.

[00:17:21] There is no definitive proof the ship exists or ever did, however there have

[00:17:26] been a number of reported sightings over the centuries. So going into some

[00:17:31] of the sightings now. So this is a sighting from the future king. We're not

[00:17:37] talking England here by the way, this is the future king at the time.

[00:17:41] Oh right, what bloody say? At the time of the sighting. What have you been saying like?

[00:17:47] He needs to lay off that. No, no we won't go there.

[00:17:52] So perhaps the most notable sighting was reported by Prince George of Wales,

[00:18:02] who later became King George V and his elder brother Prince Albert Victor.

[00:18:07] They were on a three-year voyage abroad the HMS Bacchante, I pray I got that

[00:18:14] right, when they allegedly saw the ghostly ship in July 1881. According to

[00:18:20] the Prince's logs, the spectral ship appeared during the early hours of the

[00:18:24] morning glowing with a strange light. 13 crew members including the officer of

[00:18:29] the watch saw the phantom ship. Interestingly the sailor who first

[00:18:34] reported the sighting fell from the top mast and died later that day.

[00:18:39] Further cementing the belief that seeing the flying

[00:18:43] Dutchman was an omen of doom. Nice. That's bad luck that isn't it?

[00:18:49] Do you think he's sort of, oh look it's a flying Dutchman! Lent over off your pop.

[00:18:56] Oh maybe, might have been looking for his binoculars.

[00:18:59] Iceberg right ahead. Exactly, he didn't have any fucking binoculars.

[00:19:05] No he didn't did he? And I'm only saying that for anyone who's seen fucking Lushtock and two smoking bottles.

[00:19:08] Yeah I've got a clue what he means when he's saying that, I'm just going along with it.

[00:19:11] Have you seen this? No I haven't. It's fucking brilliant.

[00:19:15] It's just one of those binoculars, thought you were just doing being you mate.

[00:19:18] I don't know, I couldn't get the binoculars out in time.

[00:19:22] Brilliant film though. Then the spin-off had an even better name.

[00:19:27] Go on. Lushtock and four stolen hoovers.

[00:19:30] Fuck me that's a fucking name and half that. Lushtock and four stolen hoovers. Jesus wept.

[00:19:35] Well the film's about two smoking barrels so it's about two shotguns.

[00:19:39] Other than the little series of it that was obviously about four stolen hoovers.

[00:19:43] Fucks sake. Oh dear me.

[00:19:47] Did you watch it? Learn something new every day. I'll get round to it.

[00:19:51] It's a Guy Ritchie film so you know it's going to be good.

[00:19:54] Yeah fair enough. So the next sight in is by Nicolas Montserrat.

[00:19:59] Famous British, oh I've definitely pronounced that wrong, he's British.

[00:20:04] Nicolas Montserrat sounds very French to me.

[00:20:08] Just because of his name does not mean he can't be British you dickhead.

[00:20:13] No I know but he's of French descent then.

[00:20:16] It's because I pronounced it in a French accent so I thought I'd done myself one.

[00:20:20] Carry on now we're getting far too off pace here.

[00:20:23] Famous British author Nicolas Montserrat, known for his maritime writings include The Cruel Sea,

[00:20:32] described the ghost ship in one of his stories, further popularising the legend in modern times.

[00:20:38] Oh well that's it then so that wasn't a sighting apparently.

[00:20:41] Fair enough. Just decided to include it in somewhere.

[00:20:44] Cool. Okay.

[00:20:46] So here's some other notable sightings for you Liam.

[00:20:49] Go for it. Oh the way I said that, other notable.

[00:20:51] During World War II, German U-Bud, this is one that I like, sorry I've just cut myself off there but I like this, I enjoyed reading this.

[00:20:59] During World War II, German U-Bud crews claimed to have seen the mysterious ship resembling the Flying Dutchman

[00:21:05] in or around the Gulf of Suez, or Suiz one of the two.

[00:21:09] Suez. Suez.

[00:21:11] At the Suez Canal. Fucking third time lucky.

[00:21:13] And elsewhere.

[00:21:15] It's believed Admiral Karl Donitz said that the crews logged the sightings of the ghost ship.

[00:21:21] There are other stories of people on Glen Caan Beach in South Africa, witnessing an apparition of a ghostly ship disappearing as it was about to crash into the rocks.

[00:21:31] Various other ships that have claimed to have almost collided with it.

[00:21:37] So now we have The Truth about the Flying Dutchman which was your favourite sighting.

[00:21:41] I think the King's one is very good because you don't, it's not, well I know he wasn't King at the time, he was Prince but there were two Princes aboard.

[00:21:49] Both had seen it. Guy and the Master had seen it and then he falls to his death.

[00:21:53] I'll make you say it again, the man just killed him.

[00:21:55] And then 30 members of the crew.

[00:21:57] They could have just said, we're going to go back and tell people this.

[00:22:00] He'd be like, no, no, you can't tell them that, that didn't happen, that was fucking killing.

[00:22:03] You know what did it?

[00:22:04] Yeah, crack it!

[00:22:09] So here's The Truth about the Flying Dutchman.

[00:22:13] The mystery of the Flying Dutchman has spurred a variety of theories over the years.

[00:22:17] Ranging from the scientifically plausible to the supernatural and outlandish.

[00:22:22] So this part, this section is called Fata Morgana.

[00:22:28] One of the most plausible explanations is that the sightings of the Flying Dutchman can be attributed to a type of complex or superior mirage called a Fata Morgana.

[00:22:38] The Italian translation of Morgan Liffey, a sorceress from Arthurian legends.

[00:22:51] Often believed to be a fairy or water nymph responsible for creating mirages over bodies of water.

[00:22:59] This optical phenomenon occurs when layers of warm and cold air bend light rays as they pass through different temperatures.

[00:23:07] Often creating distorted or inverted images of distant objects.

[00:23:12] A ship sailing just beyond the horizon could, under the right conditions, appear to be floating above the water or glowing.

[00:23:19] Potentially resembling the legendary ghost ship.

[00:23:22] So that's one explanation.

[00:23:24] Another one is St. Elmo's Fire.

[00:23:28] Bag in tune.

[00:23:30] Good film as well.

[00:23:32] He enjoyed that one.

[00:23:33] Gotta be a man in motion.

[00:23:37] Not like a bit of Liam's singing.

[00:23:38] Well you'd be a lot of that bastard wouldn't you?

[00:23:39] Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:40] This is a weather phenomenon in which a visible blue or violet glow appears near the end of pointed objects.

[00:23:47] Like the mast of a ship.

[00:23:49] During thunderstorms or turbulent weather.

[00:23:51] The phenomenon is caused by a difference in electrical charge and could be mistaken for a ghostly light on a ship.

[00:23:57] Hmm, there's a lot of mirages.

[00:24:01] Yeah well, it's what it's going to be really isn't it?

[00:24:04] Yeah, no.

[00:24:05] It's a fucking flying Dutchman is what it is mate.

[00:24:08] There are going to be any sort of like, theories to try and disprove.

[00:24:12] It's going to be that isn't it?

[00:24:13] It's going to be like mirages and shit.

[00:24:14] Well there's a fair few here mate, yeah.

[00:24:15] To me that sounds more like a Northern Lights situation.

[00:24:19] Is it all similar to that?

[00:24:20] Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:21] In a sense, yeah, yeah definitely.

[00:24:23] So here's another one.

[00:24:24] A supernatural curse.

[00:24:25] Oh Christ, here we go.

[00:24:26] More like it.

[00:24:28] Sticking close to the traditional narrative, some believe that the flying Dutchman story is a genuinely cursed ghost ship.

[00:24:35] Damned to sail the seas for eternity as a result of its captain's defiance or blasphemous acts.

[00:24:43] See his fucking face.

[00:24:45] The theory lacks any substance proof and defies our current understanding of physics and reality.

[00:24:53] So that was that one anyway.

[00:24:54] That was supernatural curse which is, that's my belief mate.

[00:24:57] I'd love to believe that there is genuinely a, you see a flying Dutchman, oh shit.

[00:25:02] That's your next line.

[00:25:03] So collective hallucination, which this I disapprove of massively.

[00:25:08] Massively, because I don't believe that, for example going back to the Prince's view, siting sorry.

[00:25:15] If you've got, how many is that?

[00:25:17] So 13, 14, 15, 16 people saying that they've seen it.

[00:25:21] Depends if they're all smoking the same thing.

[00:25:23] Yeah, I suppose, I suppose.

[00:25:27] 1700s, you never know what's kicking about.

[00:25:29] Exactly, I mean they're living proper good stuff.

[00:25:32] Oh no, it was 1800s, sorry.

[00:25:33] They were all drugs like this, moving off of fucking tits.

[00:25:35] Yeah, no bashed stuff.

[00:25:37] No.

[00:25:38] Mixed chemicals all these days, isn't it?

[00:25:40] Shit.

[00:25:41] So given the harsh and exhausting conditions of long sea voyages, especially in the past,

[00:25:46] it's possible that sailors might have experienced collective hallucinations.

[00:25:50] Extended periods of isolation, combined with fatigue, malnutrition or even the consumption of spoiled or tainted food

[00:25:58] could lead to shared visual and auditory hallucinations.

[00:26:02] I can see that being a thing, but not everybody seeing the same thing at the same time in the same place.

[00:26:08] I don't know.

[00:26:09] That's true.

[00:26:10] If we're talking about that, oh look it's a flying Dutchman, oh look a jigglypuff in the sky.

[00:26:15] You'd expect everything to be different.

[00:26:17] It's in the earth they're all smoking the same thing.

[00:26:19] Still, even if they're all smoking the same thing, they're seeing the same...

[00:26:23] You never know.

[00:26:24] Yeah, you never know.

[00:26:25] Chemicals.

[00:26:28] Here we go.

[00:26:29] Interdimensional phenomena.

[00:26:32] Alright, now we're talking.

[00:26:33] That was a fucking word, that looking at it mate.

[00:26:35] Venturing into the realm of speculative science fiction and modern urban legends.

[00:26:41] There are suggestions that the ship may be caught in a time loop or an interdimensional rift.

[00:26:49] Appearing and disappearing at intervals and witnessed by sailors from different eras.

[00:26:55] An entertaining theory, but one that lacks solid evidence.

[00:26:59] Yeah, I can agree with that.

[00:27:01] Cool, though.

[00:27:02] It does sound fucking cool.

[00:27:03] Aye.

[00:27:04] Something that happens every so often sort of thing.

[00:27:06] Comes around like a comet.

[00:27:08] Like an eclipse.

[00:27:10] Oh, pissed off. Did you see how good the eclipse looked in America?

[00:27:13] For all you Americans watching out there.

[00:27:15] No, no, I was listening to Beyond The Shadows the other day and Scott and Ryan on there said it didn't look very clever to be fair.

[00:27:21] They were disappointed with what they see.

[00:27:24] This could be months after this actually happened by the time this episode comes out as well.

[00:27:28] Yeah, that's true.

[00:27:30] But some of the videos I saw on TikTok, just sends it in the darkness.

[00:27:35] Oh, it just looks great.

[00:27:36] There's so much apocalyptic. Have you ever seen that?

[00:27:38] Yes, good film. I liked it.

[00:27:41] I don't like subtitles. For some reason, remember Anthony we used to work with.

[00:27:46] He told me to watch it and for some reason I did and then for some reason I listened to him again and watched Passion of the Fucking Christ.

[00:27:53] That was even worse trying to read the subtitles on that bastard.

[00:27:56] Is it Labyrinth? There another one called Labyrinth or something?

[00:27:59] Pan's Labyrinth.

[00:28:00] Pan's Labyrinth, that's it.

[00:28:01] You were just Silence of the Lambs.

[00:28:02] I was going to, yeah.

[00:28:03] Pan's Labyrinth, alright but again subtitles, I can't read fast enough.

[00:28:09] Yeah, no I'm the same as that. I'd prefer being able to hear what they're saying.

[00:28:13] Well then I hate dubbed films that annoy me as well.

[00:28:15] Fair enough.

[00:28:16] So I just don't watch them.

[00:28:18] Fair enough.

[00:28:20] So here's another one. UFO or extraterrestrial activity?

[00:28:26] As much as I like aliens, I don't think I'm going to be keen on this idea myself.

[00:28:30] No, not so much. I mean it's a fucking pirate ship isn't it but who knows?

[00:28:34] Well maybe.

[00:28:36] Given the ship's eerie glow and sudden appearance and disappearance, some outlandish theories posit the sightings of the Flying Dutchman might be encounters with UFOs or other extra-terrestrial phenomena.

[00:28:50] Again, there's no proof of this theory and it isn't consistent with our current knowledge of science and the physical world.

[00:28:57] Liam just shrugged his shoulders when I said there's no solid proof.

[00:29:00] No shit!

[00:29:03] Fuck me.

[00:29:04] Hey I'm cracking up man.

[00:29:06] It's as much as fucking Cher is.

[00:29:09] While some of the theories have scientific backing, others are either modern interpretations, purely speculative or based on personal beliefs.

[00:29:18] The myth of the Flying Dutchman remains one of the world's enduring maritime enigmas.

[00:29:24] Very good.

[00:29:28] What do you think of the Flying Dutchman Liam?

[00:29:30] I reckon it was a thing.

[00:29:32] Do you reckon it was a real ship to begin with?

[00:29:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. I think it was definitely a real ship once over.

[00:29:38] What happened after that? I think it's still up for debate still to be honest.

[00:29:46] What gets me with stories like this is that obviously all good stories come from something that's happened.

[00:29:54] Nine times out of ten anyway. Urban legends like that that are that old.

[00:29:58] So at some point someone has witnessed a ship or something along the lines and then their ship has sunk or whatever, the whole crew's died, plague, whatever.

[00:30:09] It could be a case of, it's almost like you know when you see a ship on the horizon and it looks like it's floating, that sort of thing.

[00:30:16] It could be something similar along those sort of lines.

[00:30:19] Yeah definitely. This is what I'm saying going back way back when when it wasn't explained and this wasn't a commonly seen thing.

[00:30:25] And then this guy has had his crew die or whatever, something's happened to the ship, he's survived and lived to tell the tale.

[00:30:31] We know how time works over time, stories change and get twisted, bits left out or added.

[00:30:36] It's a good Chinese whisper isn't it?

[00:30:37] It quite literally is yeah. So I believe that something did happen and some guys probably witnessed something.

[00:30:44] But I love the idea of the Flying Dutchman. I really love the idea.

[00:30:48] I hope it's one of those ones that's true but me and you, we love science, we love things being factual.

[00:30:56] Yeah I mean it's nice to be able to prove stuff more than anything, that's what I like.

[00:31:00] And that's a very tricky one because it's not like a building where you can just, it's the fucking ocean.

[00:31:06] Let's head out Liam in a couple of days time and see if we can see the Flying Dutchman.

[00:31:09] Why not, why not. I don't know if the sea scares me.

[00:31:12] Yeah I'm terrified of the sea, we're not going into that again.

[00:31:16] Just to finish one more little digression for us and back to football.

[00:31:21] Old Dutch footballer again, Dennis Bergkamp.

[00:31:24] Yes.

[00:31:25] Had a fear of flying so he was known as the non-flying Dutchman.

[00:31:28] Ah very good, I didn't know that. Nice little fact to put in there for any of you football fans.

[00:31:33] Yeah they were fucking playing in the Champions League, you had to sit off or you just felt different.

[00:31:41] Sometimes whatever the field was more important he wouldn't play in the league game or he'd play in the Champions League game

[00:31:47] because he was still fucking travelling back because he refused to fly anyway.

[00:31:50] So that's genuine as well, fucking hell, that's crazy.

[00:31:53] Dennis Bergkamp the non-flying Dutchman.

[00:31:57] What a fraud.

[00:32:01] Are we leaving it there then mate?

[00:32:02] Yeah, yeah happy with that.

[00:32:03] Yeah, yeah sound.

[00:32:05] So final affliction, do you think that the flying Dutchman is an actual curse or do you believe that it's just stemmed from an original story?

[00:32:17] It's just come from an original story I think.

[00:32:19] I think it once was a ship and then, no it is a thing so it was probably once a real ship and then someone,

[00:32:29] and then I just said somewhere I got disserviced or something or some shit but then,

[00:32:33] and then someone, and then there was a ship that looked very similar

[00:32:37] and then someone saw that as one of these weird mirage things and was convinced it was that one.

[00:32:41] Yeah, see I don't think it was a mirage, I think he genuinely saw a ship that looked very similar off in the distance

[00:32:47] and as you say just looked like it was floating because...

[00:32:49] Yeah, yeah that's what I mean.

[00:32:50] Alright, okay.

[00:32:51] It's still a mirage if it's floating.

[00:32:52] Yeah right I thought you were saying that it just...

[00:32:54] Like a trick of the eye.

[00:32:55] Yeah, yeah right yeah.

[00:32:57] That's what I reckon.

[00:32:58] I think I'll match ya but because of my brain's defiance I'm gonna go with that I wanna think it's a curse.

[00:33:07] Fair enough.

[00:33:08] I mean that'd be a lot more fun.

[00:33:09] Oh definitely, definitely.

[00:33:11] It's been a cracking episode mate.

[00:33:13] Yeah, yeah exactly.

[00:33:14] Fucking sick of them jokes now shut up.

[00:33:18] Right go on then, see us out.

[00:33:19] Right guys so you know where to find us on all our social medias just click on the link

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[00:33:25] Yeah the Instagram is the main one it's at let's underscore talk about pod.

[00:33:29] Yep we've got...

[00:33:30] I realise we've been telling people to follow him but not telling them actually what it is.

[00:33:34] Yeah that's true.

[00:33:35] We've got some new merch I'm looking at putting out which Liam doesn't know about yet

[00:33:39] so we're gonna take some ones off the site that are on currently.

[00:33:42] They're on and back on at any point we can always whack them back up

[00:33:45] it's just to keep it looking a decent structure yeah we don't want it looking all over the place

[00:33:50] but yeah look out for that flying Dutchman.

[00:33:52] Aye.

[00:33:54] Right then we shall speak to you all next week so Billy see you then mate.

[00:33:58] Take care guys have a good day.