Murders In Our Home Town (True Crime Special) Ep.71

[00:00:10] Right then guys, we are back. You've got your favourite non-existent host, Billy, and I am still here. I am back for another episode. How about that? Two, we're recording on the same day, but it doesn't matter, I'm still here. And I'm with Liam Ardo, who is always here and always there to keep the podcast running when I've got shit going on. So, how are you mate? I'm sound, I'm sound, and I will say, because you didn't say it, welcome back to The Spooky Shed Podcast.

[00:00:40] Oh, this might be my first proper opportunity to say it. Fucking hell. Right, we're going to leave this in there, but welcome back to The Spooky Shed Podcast. That might have been a bit dramatic, but I don't care. So, right then Liam, so before we get into the episode, I've got a fairly simple question for you mate.

[00:01:02] Can you name for me three dark slash the most heinous crimes that you can think of that have taken place within Teesside? Which is our district, by the way guys, this is like our county, whatever you want to call it. Well, I mean Christ, we've done, well, we've done an episode on two of them, haven't we? So. We have. Yeah. So, obviously, The Murderer Julie Hogg, obviously David Harker. Mm-hmm. If you haven't seen a movie of those guys, go have a look.

[00:01:31] They're brilliant episodes, both of them. Yeah, go and watch them with your ears. Yes. A third one then. Like really big infamous ones. I don't know. Just, I don't know. It doesn't have to be big and infamous. Just dark slash heinous that you can think of that. Well, the shit that happened in Kirgi Woods. Kirgi Woods, yeah, it's a good shout. Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Mm-hmm.

[00:01:58] So, any guesses on what I'm going to be doing for you today, Liam? Well, if it's not something that has happened around here, I'm going to tell you you're a twat and your question was pointless. I should have done that now, just to wind you up. But no, it is, mate. It is. It's some of the, well, ten of the most dark slash heinous crimes that have taken place in Teesside.

[00:02:22] Now, technically, I'm falling under Liam here because it's kind of nine because we have already covered one of them, which Liam has already mentioned, which is David Harker. I will go through it again because it is a dark crime. And if you haven't seen the episode, this episode doesn't go into the detail that our actual episode did. Yeah, so, why are you laughing at me? Do it again. If you haven't seen that episode.

[00:02:47] If you haven't listened to that episode, guys, go and listen to it because that's got more detail in it than this will. And if you haven't listened to it, pasta and cheese. I like it. I like it. That's a good memory, that is. Then again, you weren't forgetting that one, were you? No, not at all. Right then, mate. So, this is one I feel like you probably will have heard of.

[00:03:15] But it's one of those that wouldn't pop in your brain unless it was retold. So, have you ever heard of Mitesh Patel? No. No. Right, so. So, the first one, guys, is about, obviously, Mitesh Patel. So, the pharmacist who killed his wife for a new life. Yes, I have heard of this. Ah, there it is. I knew one of them was going to ring a bell. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:44] So, for you guys who don't know, obviously Liam has heard of this one. I watched a documentary on it. So, basically, this happened in an area very close to us called Middlesbrough. It's about eight miles from where we are. So, a pharmacist, pharmacist, oh, God. Pharmacist. Thank you, mate. Thank you.

[00:04:07] So, a pharmacist by the name of Mitesh Patel meticulously planned to kill his wife, Jessica Patel. So, that he could cash in on a two million life insurance policy and move to Australia with... Rolf Harris. No, a big plot twist. That's the word I was looking for. With his male lover. Ooh.

[00:04:36] Could have been Rolf Harris then. Yeah. I mean, there's other ways to go about just accepting that you're going elsewhere. You know what I mean? And killing your own wife. Anyway, so the crime itself. So, this took place fairly recently. It was in 2018. And the way that he went about killing her. So, he injected Jessica with insulin to weaken her. Very cruel way to go about it here. Then strangled her with a plastic bag.

[00:05:05] Staging the crime as a botched burglary. And I tell you what, guys. In the documentary, he's... You've got to think... He's a clever guy. You know what I mean? He's a pharmacist. He does make it look... Liam's laughing at me. Yes, okay. Maybe not all pharmacists are clever. But you know what I mean? He's not a crackhead. Do you know what I mean? He's not... He's not... If you knew where we live, guys, you'd understand.

[00:05:36] Yeah, the most of the pharmacists are crackheads. You can watch the documentary on YouTube as well, guys. But yeah... Funny story, though, Billy. Funny story. Speaking of pharmacists and crackheads and stuff. Yeah. Once upon a time, when I was on Dole or Job Seeker's Allowance, whatever you want to call it nowadays, my advisor at the time tried to get me to apply for a job in a chemist slash pharmacy, whatever you want to call it. Okay. And I refused. So I didn't get paid that week.

[00:06:06] And when they asked me why I refused, I said because I can't see myself working in a chemist because I would get very bored and just start taking stuff to see what happens. I don't... I really believe... Like, I properly believe him there. Yeah. That's something you'd say. Yeah. It's something I didn't. It's something you'd do. But anyway, yeah, it does look like... He's done a good job of trying to make it look like a burglary. Anyway, the evidence.

[00:06:35] So investigators uncovered his online searches, including would it be painful to die from an insulin overdose? So I suppose... I mean, it's six and two threes with that, really, isn't it? Because does he want it to be painful? Or is he looking to make it quick? You'd think, hopefully, he's looking to make it quick there. What if he strangled the pork out of a fucking bag? Well, this is what I was just going to get into next. The fact that he's used insulin on her. Yeah.

[00:07:02] Insulin is vastly known as a weakening drug. And then he's proceeded to strangle her with a fucking plastic bag. So I don't think the strangling part was planned out. I don't think he had enough of the insulin to kill. Because out of all the things he could have used, he's used a fucking plastic bag. That's not planned. No. Anyway, his phone's health app exposed his frantic movements during the murder, contradicting his alibi.

[00:07:31] So he had an app that was attracted to movements and stuff, and it just didn't fit with his alibi, his excuse, and things like that, his story. And that's what eventually led him to being arrested and convicted of first-degree murder. So he was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum turn of 30 years, which in the area in which we live, that's a good sentence. That's a very good sentence. So around where we live, we see things like that.

[00:07:59] And people, you know, the average time for that could be 12 years. It's horrific. So although I have noticed, Liam, some of the more recent sentences have been very good. Disagree on the ones I've seen, but fair enough. Okay. No, but I mean compared to what they were around this time frame, like 2018. I suppose, but then again,

[00:08:27] I suppose it depends what you're talking about, doesn't it? Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So that was him. So you've heard about that one then, Liam, yeah? Yeah, yeah. I remember again watching, it was on one of the true crime programs that was on telly one time. Yeah. You just think like, so he's fell in love with a guy overseas in Australia. And don't get me wrong, it's, you know, yeah, it's tricky. You've got to leave your whole life behind you, your wife and sum up the money to get to Australia.

[00:08:56] But fucking hell. Yeah, but that's exactly what it's like you say though, isn't it? Like, like, like fair enough. Like if he, if he's, if he's gay or bisexual or whatever, like if he doesn't want to, if you don't want to be with someone anymore, just get a fucking divorce. Don't fucking murder them. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, moving on to number two. Liam, have you ever heard of a Stephen Charlton? Maybe. Tell me the story. I hadn't on this one. So,

[00:09:27] Stephen Charlton, the sadistic murder of Natalie Saunders. That, that isn't ringing a bell, but Stephen Charlton is ringing a bell for some reason. I don't know why. Carry on. So anyway, again, this is another one in Middlesbrough. uh, and again, it's 2018. So in 2018, good year. but yeah, not for some, Stephen Charlton brutally beat his partner, Natalie Saunders in a prolonged and vicious attack.

[00:09:56] She suffered over 50, five, zero separate blows to her body, including broken ribs and multiple fractures. Charlton claimed she had inflicted the injuries on her. herself. How? So yeah, this, this is what blows my mind is some of the excuses that these guys come out with. This is more of a Middlesbrough individual who, you know, she's self-inflicted 50 wounds that has resulted in a death, breaking her own ribs and everything.

[00:10:26] I mean, just, it's just absolute madness. Um, anyway, obviously this had to lead to an investigation, what have you. So the post-mortem examination revealed extreme violence that could not have been self-inflicted. So you don't often see that where they'll, they'll actually come out and say it's, it's impossible for this to have been self-inflicted. Because when you think about it, almost anything is possible when you're self-inflicted, right?

[00:10:56] This is not really this. Well, you know what I mean though, but this to me says that she was, she was beaten so badly that they know that she, she was incapable of moving to inflict some of these wounds. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just a horrible, horrible thought. And the fact that this is a male doing this to a woman as well, just, I don't know. They're the ones that fuck me. Anything to do with children or men beating women, it's just, yeah,

[00:11:26] shit houses. Right. Post-postuous. I completely butchered that word, but there we go. Um, so Charlton was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 21 years. That's what fucks me. Go on. So, the previous guy is a pharmacist with no previous convictions. Don't get me wrong, I don't know if this guy here, this Stephen Charlton had previous convictions, but he sounds like a violent individual. I mean, if you're beating women, you're a violent individual for me.

[00:11:56] It's just black and white. Yeah. Um, the other guys used insulin, you know, he's obviously, obviously the police don't know this for sure, but to me, he's tried to kill her with insulin and then he's strangled her with a plastic bag, which yes, it's horrific. By no means am I excusing it, but this guy has beaten this woman to fucking death, beaten her. He's not stopped. And you can imagine how bad it must have got to the point where she's barely breathing

[00:12:25] and he's continuing the assault. He's, he's not stopping. He's not holding himself back in any way, shape or form. He's continuing. And yet he's got eight years less, nine years less, sorry, than the previous guy. I think I can tell you why. Fire up. You're going to say, uh, extra charges, aren't you? Possibly. But also I'd say that, that you will get more time for something that is quite clearly planned.

[00:12:54] Premeditated. Yeah. I mean, the, the beating that could just be like, you know, like a fit of rage, if you know what I'm saying. Obviously, I'm not excusing what he's done. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I completely agree with that. If I'm honest with you. Yeah. It makes perfect sense. But nine years. Oh yeah. No, no, I know what you're saying. It's still bollocks, but I'm imagining that's the reason why. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, yeah. That makes perfect sense. Actually. I should have thought of that myself. Premeditation is, it's huge in the justice system as well. Um, they always look for that.

[00:13:25] So yeah, that's a good shout to be fair. Yeah. Probably is the reason. And then, uh, obviously the other guy will have had over convictions against him as well. Like, fraud, the whole thing with a will, cause he was trying to get the life insurance claim. So there was a number of overcharging included there. Plus the theft of the insulin that was used, all that shite. But still it's fucked. Anyway. So number three, for anyone who hasn't watched,

[00:13:53] for anyone who hasn't listened to our David Harker episode, or is going, is planning to after this, this is a quick rundown of, uh, essentially who this guy is. Now, this guy for me is probably the most sadistic and horrible out of the bunch that's on this list, simply because of his persona and the fact that even to this day, he's holding secrets. I don't want to give that away. Cause I want, if you don't know them secrets,

[00:14:22] I don't believe this, this, uh, little article I've got here is going to tell you these secrets. If you haven't heard them, do you go listen to that episode? You have to go listen to that episode. Cause we get into all them details, everything, the Nicky, the great, you have it, you name it, we got it. Episode 10 for people who want to listen. There you go. Episode 10, one of our first episodes. And it was one of my favorite episodes as well. Cause I, um, as I said to Liam, I went to these locations where he committed the crimes.

[00:14:49] I experienced the atmosphere and felt it just by being there. I went to her grave and what have you. And, um, I've said her grave. You don't even know what I'm talking about. If you haven't listened to the episode already, but we also saw her brother on the day, which really got to me. Cause the odds of that is just what one in a thousand. Uh, anyway, so this is David Harker, the cannibal killer. And this took place in Darlington.

[00:15:19] Now it's not quite T side, is it Liam? But it's, it's, it's on the outskirts. Yeah. It can still be classed as T side in a sense. It's very, I think it is because their postcode is TS, I believe, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, next to it does have brackets T side adjacent. So yeah. Anyway, so what happened? So in 1998, David Harker, a self-proclaimed cannibal, lured Julie Peterson to his flat,

[00:15:48] strangled her and mutilated her body. Now that doesn't even scratch the surface of what this guy actually did. Um, but again, for that, go listen to episode 10. Um, this is the crime. Basically, Harker bragged about eating parts of her flesh, terrifying those who knew him. Some of Julie's remains were never found. Um, yeah, that kind of, I suppose that gives away the secret a little bit,

[00:16:16] but he has other things that he's stated, um, that you'd have to go listen to that previous episode for. So he confessed to his crimes to a friend who reported him to the police. Harker was convicted of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and was sentenced to life in the psychiatric facility. Uh, the crazy thing is, in 2020, I want to say, maybe 2021,

[00:16:46] he was eligible for parole. Um, um, they, they, a psychiatric will decide whether you're fit to be a member of the public again or whether you're a danger to society. And he was still, and he was still, to this day, from 1998 or 1999,

[00:17:16] when he was originally incarcerated. Still to this day, they dub him an absolute danger to the public. And this guy is a sick, sick guy. He claimed to have killed more than just her. The way he brags about it, he sent a letter. You can hear about that letter on our episode. If you go listen to that, um, this guy was a sick, sick, sick individual who boasted about killing and boasted about other serial killers. But yeah. Yeah,

[00:17:45] he was a shit house. Absolute shit house. What he, uh, sent to the family. Yeah, no. Crazy. So anyway, that was David Harker. Guys, as I say, you want the, you want the details. Episode 10. Moving on to number four. So we have the Victorian mystery of Mary Cooper. You ever heard of this one, Liam? No. This isn't, this is a new one to me. Definitely. Good. So this is the first proper new one then.

[00:18:16] Right. So again, Middlesbrough. That's three out of four. Middlesbrough. Yeah. Anyway, so this is a, this is a fair time ago. Like, but so in 1884, 80 year old Mary Cooper vanished whilst playing out, whilst playing hide and seek with her sisters. Days later, two boys found her body in a bush with her throat slit.

[00:18:46] Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Straight away. Awful. Horrible. Can't do children. Yeah. It just makes you think already. And I always think to myself, when I saw this, when I originally done my research, I was surprised I hadn't heard of it before. Cause I'd done a lot of local research as well. I hadn't ever seen this. Anyway, so hundreds of locals attended her funeral, but the case went unsolved.

[00:19:16] Scotland Yard officers and even bloodhounds were brought in, but no one was ever caught. That's the worst of it, man. Yeah. So obviously she was found, God bless her soul, eight years old with a throat slit and killer just walked scot-free. Don't get me wrong. Different time period. You know, it's different technology, all of that, but it's just the thought that that guy is dead. Yeah, exactly. Awful, awful thought.

[00:19:46] God rest her soul. Another one here then for you, Liam. So this is number five, mate. So after this, we'll have a quick break. Hi. So this is the murder of Peter Gilling. Again, not heard of this one. Right. Anyway, so this one was in Billingham, which is quite surprising because I hear, I've seen a fair few things now in Billingham and I always thought that was quite an all right place, fairly quiet, keeps itself to itself, but it's,

[00:20:16] it's far from, I always related it to mask, which I know, I know Liam's looking at me funny, but I didn't know Billingham very well. which is probably why. You're an idiot. Yeah, I know. I realized very quickly after doing more research into what Billingham was like, it was the one place in Teesside I've like never been. I've been there once to the fucking ice rink and that's it. Yeah. Well, like I said, that was where obviously the Julie Hogg murder was as well. Yes. Yeah.

[00:20:47] So, and that was another one that I was surprised that I didn't see here. Anyway, so the murder of Peter Gilling. So in 2018, Derek, now this is either Palas or Payas. I'm assuming it's Palas because Derek is very Spanish or Latin. So, Derek Palas attacked Peter Gilling outside Melsenby Court Flats, stabbing him five times.

[00:21:16] One of the stab wounds severed his femoral artery. Is that correct? Femoral. Femoral. Thank you very much, Liam. Femoral artery, leaving him to bleed to death. Right. Palas was found guilty of murder and sentenced to a minimum of 26 years. Bear in mind, that was 2018, yeah? So we've got three murders on this list already from 2018. What the fuck went wrong that year? England lost in the semifinal of the World Cup.

[00:21:46] That's it. That's what's caused it. That's it. You hit the nail on the head. Check the dates. I know you had to hit them by the way. Were they all after July? There will be. I guarantee it. We're joking in jest there, of course. Yeah, obviously, yeah, yeah. That's what this podcast is all about. Yeah, sorry, that's what I was going to mention. So, 26 years. Do we have a motive on this?

[00:22:16] Nope, there's literally barely anything that's been announced about this. That's fucking bizarre. Apart from the details, which is a little strange. You'd think the time period and the stuff, it could just be an old, and ended in a stabbing. You know what today's climate's like, especially around here. Yeah. Every year. Tom Dick and Harry's got a fucking knife sat in the bag of the trousers. Anyway, yeah, so he was sentenced to 26 years.

[00:22:45] And that other guy for beating a woman to death was sentenced to 21. I'm sorry, but I do compare things like that, because it's just fucked me over. There's no thing like, oh, it's different time, it's not, it's the same year. No, but again, I think, I think it's, it's a whole premeditation thing. Because you, you're not just, you're not just carrying a knife for carrying a knife's sake, if you know what, if you know what I'm saying. That, that, that, that's the only thing I can think of, is like I say, as well, as well as obviously,

[00:23:14] not condoning what that Stephen Charlton did, but like I say, if you're just kicking, if you're just kicking, battering someone to fucking death, you know, they can just say it's, you know, a fit of rage. I hate it. I hate it so much. I know, I know, I know what you're saying. I'm not, I'm not saying it's right. I'm just giving you my thoughts on the matter. Yeah, and not verdicts. Right. So that cuts it for at least the halfway point guys. So we're going to take a quick break.

[00:23:44] We'll be back in a moment. Right then guys, we are back after that short little break and we are going to be moving straight on to number six. So here's another one for you, Liam. We have a Norman Bowen. Sorry, it's a double barrel. Norman Bowen Jones and Timothy Dunn. That's weird as fuck. My granddad's name was Norman Jones. Really?

[00:24:14] Hmm. Oh shit. No, I'm joking. There's no Bowman though, so that's all right. So this is about the killing of Leslie Fox. Now this is the one I was talking about, which was a, another location. The day that we were going to Tarleton, we were going to do two locations. Well, well, well, two murders essentially. We were going to do David Hager. And then this one, the killing of Leslie Fox. But we took so much time going to these different areas in Tarleton. I forgot how big Tarleton actually is. So anyway,

[00:24:44] again, so this happened in Tarleton, which is Teesside adjacent. So in 1996, have you heard of this one, by the way, Liam, but just before I get it. No, no, no. Have you not? It's a fucking horrible one. So in 1996, Leslie Fox, a pregnant woman, was found strangled and sexually assaulted in her home. That's pointed blatantly. I have watched the documentary on this, and by all means, I could get into all the details right now, but I'm saving that because I would,

[00:25:14] I'm going to do an episode on this one. Um, because of how fucking horrendous it is. It is. So, her body was discovered five days later, and two teenagers, Timothy Dunn and Norman Bowen Jones, were arrested. Both were convicted of murder and sentenced to life. Now I couldn't actually find what the sentences actually were, which is a little strange to me, but yeah, they were both sentenced to life,

[00:25:44] so hopefully they will never see the light of day. But, there is a lot more details than that. It wasn't just a case of, she was, it was a pregnant woman who was strangled and sexually assaulted. It was fucking horrific. This was two teenagers, who were quite young, I believe it was, I don't want to say for sure, because I'm not certain on it. I can't quite remember. But, um, they were young, obviously they were teenagers, so you can imagine. Um,

[00:26:14] to a pregnant woman? Yeah, no. And she was down the line as well. It wasn't like it was, you know, not that it makes it any different, but, like, in the slightest, not that, you know, it doesn't matter whether she's fucking one week or 30 weeks. I'm not saying that, but she was, she was down the line. Why? Why? It's fucking weird. It's just, I mean, it's fucking horrendous, because if it's, hear me out, if it's noticeable,

[00:26:43] you fucking know, do you know what I mean? You know a pregnant woman. As a teenager, they were old enough to realise, you know, what a pregnant woman looked like. If it's not noticeable, this is what I'm saying, if it's not noticeable, then okay, they didn't know, but that's not the case here. I mean, how sadistic, how sadistic, to, to, strangling's one thing, but to sexually assault, Yeah. Bucks me over, blows my mind. I know, I know what you're saying there though, I know, well,

[00:27:13] I know what, I know what you're trying to say, I mean, obviously whether she's fucking pregnant or not, it's fucking, obviously fucking wrong, but like, obviously the fact that she is, makes it worse, and the fact that she was so far along, makes it even worse again, is what you're trying to say. Absolutely. It's not that it wasn't noticeable, it was, it was notable, there's no excuses, they will have known, that she was pregnant, and proceeded, to prolong the, the attack. Yeah, but this is the thing though, isn't it? Like, these, these,

[00:27:42] these shithouses, as we call them, they don't, they don't care about stuff like that, mate. No, no, that's the thing, but that's the thing that, you know, okay, we might not be normal, but in the grand context of things, normal people like me and you, we don't, we just can't fathom it, can we, you know what I mean? We don't have that part in our brain, that's, that's twisted like that, but. Yeah, exactly. Moving on from that, before I get too into, too into my darker side on it. So, moving on to number seven,

[00:28:12] we have The Party Massacre by Eric Yale. Is this the bloke who stabbed her husband, because she had a divorce, stabbed her, stabbed his wife, because she had a divorce party? No, no, no, no, I know exactly who you're about, that's far more recent than this one. That's actually, I know that, the son. Yeah, that was in Mask, wasn't it? That was in Mask, yeah, which is, for people who don't know, that's where I grew up, but yeah, no, no, it's not that one. That one's horrific though. So,

[00:28:42] give context on that to people. Bloke stabbed his wife, because she threw a divorce, divorcement, divorcement? A divorce party. Share the fucking sesh, because they were getting divorced. Yeah, asked to speak to her, come out of the house, he took her down an alley, and stabbed her, I can't remember how many times, it was like 70 times, or something absolutely horrific. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, The Party Massacre by Eric Yale, so, where was this? Take a while,

[00:29:12] guess Liam. Skelton. Middle spread. So, in 1970, Eric Yale, an introverted labourer, attended a house party, where he suddenly, attacked guests. You said that, like that was a good thing. No, it's because I got an indigestion. Let's do apologise, another good thing guys, very bad. Very nice.

[00:29:43] Get some Gaviscon down you. I know yeah. So, killed a baby, sleeping in its cot, for fuck's sake Billy. While injuring another child. The fuck, you could have built up to that, you freaking weirdo. No, I wanted to catch you off guard, after what you said. We were making a joke, about fucking Gaviscon, and fucking Rennies, and then you talking about, fucking this. I mean, for fuck's sake man, how are you? Liam's facial change, guys. I've got him on camera here,

[00:30:13] that was a switch, like I've ever seen. No, but again, that is, for me, what part of the human brain, thinks, you know, when it was like, so, when I first read that, it went exactly where Liam's head went at. There's a guy who's rocked up to a party, and just stabbed loads of people, in this party. Yeah, no, he's walked past everyone in the party, he's gone straight upstairs, and attacked the most innocent, people,

[00:30:43] that were, well not at the party, I mean they were obviously upstairs in bed, and what have you, but, what? Like, when I read that, I read it exactly how I, just read it out to you. Yeah. And I just thought, hang on a minute, fuck, what? Where's that come from? Why? Yeah, that's fucking weird. I mean, it just, it truly makes you think, I have watched so many documents, so many different videos, and what have you, psychiatrists,

[00:31:12] trying to explain how serial killers, and psychopaths' brains work, and, it still, doesn't, give me that sort of, okay, that makes sense, as to why they're doing this. you'll always hear something, you'll always, there'll always be that one story, I mean, unfortunately, there's many more than just that one, there's thousands, but, and you just, no matter what someone tells you, no matter what someone's logic behind it is,

[00:31:42] just will not, allow your brain to understand, but, in my mind, that's a good thing, because I feel like, if I understood why he'd done something like that, that makes you just as bad as that person, right? Well yeah, I mean, if you understood why, why he'd done it, you'd probably do it yourself. Yeah, I know, but a part of my brain has to, has to try and understand, why these people do these kind of things, but you just, you can't, a baby sleeping in a cot, which I'm not repeating ever again after this, by the way, do you not,

[00:32:12] when you get to that point, does it not just make you think, like, nah, I'm not, I'm not. Well no, but like I said, this is the whole, like, definition of a fucking psychopath, isn't it? There's got to be another name for that. I mean, a psychopath, yeah, it's someone that goes into a party, as I expected to read originally, goes into a party, and stabs a load of adults, for no apparent reason, but, but, babies in a cot, asleep. Yeah, because, yeah, because it's like I say,

[00:32:41] it's because there's no empathy or anything, they don't care. No, there's, there's just, ah. Well that's, but like, I know what you're saying there, like, there should be another word, for psychopaths, in quotations there. Yeah, yeah, because that's a different, No, that, there should be a different, there should be a different name for psychopaths, like I say, in quotations, that kill people, because you can be a psychopath, and not kill anybody. Yeah, exactly. I, the, the, the thing, like a lot of the, like the best,

[00:33:10] like surgeons and stuff in the world, class the psychopaths. Yes, yeah. It's, well, it's like, it's like my mom, for example, so, sorry guys, but, if you just don't know the story, watch a few, watch any other episode. Or listen to. Yeah, listen to, sorry, listen to, like, a lot of people over my time, class my mom as a psychopath, and, you know, okay, what's happened, happened, and she's stabbed a neighbor, who's pissed her off, over a number of years,

[00:33:40] and she just, sort of, flicked a switch, she's not going into, walking into a party, running upstairs, and stabbing a baby in a cop, that, that's, that, you can't class that same, in the same category, do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, no, but that, no, but that isn't the case, Billy, like, freaking, your, your, your mom has mental health issues. Yeah, of course, yeah, it's not, she's, she's not a fucking psychopath, she has mental health issues, mate. Yeah, no, I know, but you know what I'm saying though, like, that was like just, Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Like I say, if you just, if you just, come out and said, oh my mom's,

[00:34:10] fucking stabbed the, woman next door, you would go, fucking psycho. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a lack of context, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Right, anyway, moving on to number eight, we have, the attempted murder, by Peter, Mastravic. Ooh, that rings a bell. That ring a bell. What year are we talking here? Take a wild guess.

[00:34:42] 2018? Yeah. In Middlesbrough? It's mind blowing. No, it actually wasn't, uh, Middlesbrough. It's probably somewhere you wouldn't expect. Wingate. Wingate. Fair enough. Which again, is Teesside adjacent. Hmm. So, in 2018, Mastravic shot a man in the back of the head with a sawn-off shotgun during a dispute. Make any bells?

[00:35:13] No. So, his victim miraculously survived. What? Oh yeah, well yeah, obviously you said attempted murder, didn't you? What the fuck? Yeah, if I wait for it. So, his victim miraculously survived with 40 gunshot pellets logged in his skull and back. That is ridiculous. Now this is what fucked me up. Sorry, sorry, but these sentences is what gets me every time.

[00:35:41] It's a fantastic sentence and I completely agree with it. What I don't agree with, we'll get into in a moment. So, Mastravic was sentenced to, again, this was 2018, so it's the same fucking year, was sentenced to 21 years in prison. Yeah. A guy that beat a woman to death with over 50 fucking wounds received the same sentence. The woman died. Yes, but again, I've told you, it's all about premeditation.

[00:36:11] Fuck you, premeditation. There's no fucking logic behind that sentence. He should be doing that. I mean, I agree, he should be doing 21 years. What should happen here is he should be doing 21 years and the other guy should be doing 30 plus, minimum. Right. Anyway, 21 years is enough, mate, and it pissed me off. Each time I read each one of these originally, I thought, how the fuck has this guy got this long and that woman that died, her killer's got the same sentence.

[00:36:41] Anyway. It's really got to you that one, hasn't it? Yeah, it does, mate, it does. I told you, anything with children and women, mate, that's like, no, I can't do it. You write your glass straight at that, isn't it? So, number nine, the robbery and torture of a 78-year-old pensioner. Oh, for fuck's sake. Does it not ring any bells? I remember this when it happened. Well, I might do it when you tell me it, for fuck's sake. I mean, that's not something I'd commit to memory,

[00:37:11] but it just sounds fucking... Go on. So anyway, this took place in Stockton, which I'm surprised the lack of Stockton here. Hmm. Personally, like, Stockton, I always thought would have been worse than Middlesbrough, but, I mean, apparently not. Maybe petty crime, but in this case, no. Have a guess on the alien. 2018? Yeah. Can you believe this? Fuck's sake. That's five. Yeah.

[00:37:41] Five of these ten murders took place in 2018, mate. That's sick. What a year. What a time I'd be alive. Anyway, so in 2018... To be honest though, I had a fucking good year in 2018. I did. That's the year Jayden was born. But I say, I've seen the finals. Yeah. There was the largest thunderstorm that we've ever had in a location. I know that means nothing to most people, but to me, that was a fantastic guy. Brilliant experience. Right.

[00:38:11] Yeah, it was a fucking brilliant year. It's literally, if you ask my partner, Dala, if you ask her what my favourite year was, she'll tell you it's 2018. Same as me. Yeah. I think we've talked about that before as well, haven't we? Yeah, we have. Yeah, that's what I mean. So anyway, in 2018, Jessica Roth and her accomplices broke into an elderly man's home, tied him up and tortured him. Did you expect a he there? No. See, I didn't.

[00:38:40] That's weird. But I also, I also didn't expect the she doing it. That's what I'm saying. That's weird. I mean, that's definitely it's just, it's just sexism, but yeah. It's probably some sort of sexism, but yeah. Yeah, play the symbol that. You're dead right. That is what it is, but strange all the brain works. Anyway, so they strangled him with an extension cord, gets worse, stabbed him with a letter opener and beat him

[00:39:10] with an air pistol. Why? A 78 year old. Yeah, but I want to, I want to know motive. I want to know why. Well, it was a robbery, wasn't it? See, that's not a robbery. That's fucking, that's a fucking piss take is what that is. Well, what, what, what, what's happened there is they've gone in, they've broke into this man's home to rob, rob the guy and probably didn't expect him to be there, you'd imagine and what happened, happened.

[00:39:41] Bastards. It's just a 78 year old, tie him up, leave him there. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm not condoning tying an old guy up and robbing the guy. What I'm saying is, why have you gone to that extent? Exactly. So the three attackers were sentenced to over 10 years each. The fact that they've said over 10 means it was less than 20. It's probably like 12 and 13 and they've said it is, you know,

[00:40:11] over 10. Right, sort of. Right, no, I'm pissed off as you are now. Thank you, thank you. These sentences, there's nothing about them that's logical, okay? The robbery's premeditated, obviously. Right? Every robbery's premeditated. I don't care what anyone says, no one walks past a house and just think, oh, let's rob that right now. Well, they do. They're called opportunistic burglars, mate. Yeah, well, they're the good ones. Anyway,

[00:40:42] anyway, the way that they, what they've done to this guy, I mean, that's basic details. You can only imagine what the unreleased details would be. This poor 78-year-old man, 10 years each? Nah, it's a fucking joke, that. Well, sorry, 10 plus years, but you get what I mean here. Yeah, yeah, no, that's fucking, that's fucking ridiculous. That's a shit-looking I've ever had.

[00:41:11] Barring the cop one, the baby one and that, the two worst killings on here, for me at least, personally, which is the beating of the woman, again, I'm excluding the cop one here, and this one, what should I say, and then this one is the worst. Yeah. And then they have the lowest sentence in the group. Make it make sense. Exactly. And. I'm glad you're on my wavelength now.

[00:41:41] It was only a matter of time. So anyway, here's another one. the, this will fuck you up now, mate. Just going off the last one, when you, when you're matching up to this one. So, the jealous husband murder, Kirk Barker. So this again, was another one in Stockton. So, Stockton's catching up now, but it's only got two on the list, unfortunately. I say unfortunately, not like it matters, but you know. So,

[00:42:13] so in a fit of jealousy, Kirk Barker drove 300 miles, 300 fucking miles, in the UK, that's big, that's a big deal. Yeah. That's a, I mean, where's that, that's like, uh, is that like Northampton, Northampton to Middlesbrough, that's his Stockton, about that distance. Maybe, it's, I mean, it's less than the fucking 100, the Leeds, so yeah. Yeah. Um, so Barker drove 300 miles,

[00:42:43] to confront a man, he suspected of having an affair, with his estranged wife. I mean, that's loyalty right there. It's lunacy. It's lunacy, but it's also mixed with, well, I suppose it's not loyalty, is it? No, it's jealousy. Yeah. Jealousy's a powerful, powerful weapon. For me, jealousy's probably the most powerful, like, uh, emotion, out of all emotions, in my eyes anyway. Yeah, yeah, I know,

[00:43:12] I know what you're saying, but yeah, because like, jealousy leads to anger, and everything, doesn't it? Yes, because I always think to myself, if I, if something happened between me, and Zala, and someone, and another man came into her life, and started bringing up my kids, yeah. Not saying anything, guys. Don't call anyone. I'm just saying it, it's, yeah, it's, it's a powerful thought. Um, anyway, as soon as the victim opened his door, Barker,

[00:43:42] stabbed him, ten times in the chest. Christ. That's when, just, just, just didn't even think, didn't ask any questions, just, straight up, fuck this guy, get him out of the way, kind of thing. Mm. And he, the guy died. Yeah. Um, and he was sentenced to 15 years, in prison. Tell me, motherfucker, how he got, longer, than the previous guys. Again,

[00:44:12] because it's premeditated. But I'm right, though. Yeah, but again, but again, no, but like you say, you can go back to that, though. And then, like you say, because obviously, obviously that's premeditated. Right? Yeah. We agree on that. Yeah, yeah. But then the one that we're saying, isn't premeditated, has got more. Rightfully so. Yeah. We can say. Yeah. And again, it doesn't correlate with the previous one. Exactly. It doesn't.

[00:44:41] There's no correlation. There's no logic. Exactly. There's, it's just a complete fucking shit, shit house. Our justice system is fucking shit. Correctly. This has been more of an episode of how to, how to fucking trigger Billy. But, yeah, so there's some of the, and there's quite a few on there that I had never heard of, to be fair. I mean,

[00:45:09] there's a fair few more that I think I know of personally that are darker than some of these, like the one that we covered that you were talking about earlier. There's also the, the, the child on, I mean, Black Ash Path that leads from Mask to Saltburn. Yeah. Is that one? I'm not getting into details of that. Not in the mood right now. But, yeah, there's a lot on there that I had no idea about, to be fair. Yeah, same. Which I think that, I mean, barring the baby one,

[00:45:39] because that's, that's just outright, by far the darkest. Which one were you, I want to know, one that's annoyed you the most, Liam. And one that's, that you find the darkest. So that could probably. Well, the darkest one is obviously the baby one. No, excluding that, because that, that, that, I mean, by all measures, that is by far, you know. Oh, the darkest one that is probably, okay, I'll do that again. Again.

[00:46:09] The darkest one's probably the fucking pensioner then, the old fella. Because that's just fucking, disgusting. I agree, but I, I agree that that's dark, but I, I, again, I put the woman above that, you know. Yeah, I, I know what you're saying. Yeah. It's just the beating. Like, I can't get it out of my head, how long does it take to kill someone when you're beating them to death? Over 50 wounds. Well, Dala's upstairs, go and find out.

[00:46:39] Christ. She dies of a heart attack or something tomorrow. It weren't me. She slipped off us, I swear. Some fucking dark crimes in there, like, I mean, we, we say, we talk about dark. I mean, Hark is like right up there, isn't he? Oh yeah. Like I say, a pastor and chase, isn't it? So because we've, because we've already covered it.

[00:47:08] It just sort of goes to the back of your mind. But yeah. Yeah. Guys, he's definitely top three out of that list. Yeah. In terms of the person who's actually done it, he's number one. Hmm. Maybe barring the, the guy that, with the baby, but still. Aye. What are your thoughts? Fucking, disgusting, horrible. People are bastards, especially around here. Don't put you in a shit mood there, have I? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. The only time I've done that to you, it's about time, because you've got me loads.

[00:47:40] Right then guys, so that's, that's going to be it from me and Liam today. As I say, there's, there's one of those murders that we've done an episode on, episode 10. So go and check, go and check that out. Go have a listen. Follow us on all of our socials. Our Instagram is, the spooky shed podcast. Nice and simple. Love that. Through that Instagram, you can find all the links to all of our socials. As Liam has stated many times before, we might not use them as frequently as we do the Instagram.

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