The Haunted House of Harrisburg! With Angel Hitman!

[00:00:11] Right then guys, welcome back into The Spooky Shed, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary and of course spooky. We've got a returning guest of us today, so we've got Angel Hitman back in The Shed. So Angel, welcome back to The Shed. How the hell are we? As good as we can expect it. It's early. And like we've just been saying for once, I'm, well, we're the same temperature, so happy days. Yes, yes, yes, happy days.

[00:00:38] Right then, so today we're going to be talking about a very infamous house of yours that you used to live in. So let's just start literally from the very beginning. So remind me where it is, when you moved in and all the basic stuff. And actually, before we get into all of it, I had a dream about that house again.

[00:01:02] I don't know if it's because I'm going to be moving back to that, like, around about area. But yeah, I had another dream about that house. So anyways, I lived there. Let me see. Okay, so I've been in Florida for now almost nine years. June something will be nine years. We lived in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania for 15 years.

[00:01:27] And the realtor that we got the house from was like, can you handle a suicide that was in the house? Now, if anybody watched our first podcast with my history, I've been around the paranormal my whole life. It's something I grew up in. It's back history with my mom, my grandmother, and so on. So I was like, yes, absolutely. I'm all gung-ho. Let's do this. Those are famous last words because I always told my husband I wanted a haunted house.

[00:01:57] Be careful what you wish for. So I started researching the house and talking to neighbors as one does. But when you talk to your neighbors, it's like, hey, how are you? Want to get to know you? Want to be friends? Da-da-da-da-da-da. Me, on the other hand, have any deaths occurred? This does not make for friendly talk and making friends and neighbors. People look at you strange.

[00:02:24] So I found out that the guy that committed suicide in the house, he had a four-year-old daughter and him and his wife were going through a divorce. And she had a boyfriend, which is whatever. But they were going through a tumultuous time. And she was moving the daughter out. And he was bipolar and he wasn't on his meds. Now, I found all this out from my neighbor next door.

[00:02:52] And he had committed suicide in the bathroom downstairs. And when we had moved in, you could still see where the blood was on the side of the bathtub and down where his feet were. I mean, it was not a good cleanup job. So I was like, well, that's rather interesting. You have to get intense.

[00:03:15] And it was because you don't, you expect it to be bleached out and scrubbed out and clean and white. And, you know, when you walk in, it was none of that. And I mean, it wasn't worst case scenario that there was tons of blood, but it was visible blood. And the first day we got there, I got like a really stabbing sensation in my left side. And I was like, I got to get out of the house.

[00:03:45] There's just something very wrong in here. And so, you know, and we were staying at a hotel that night because we didn't have our furniture yet. We weren't fully moved in. And so, you know, first house move-ins, you're excited. Your kids are excited. We had four kids at the time. I have five now. So everybody's picking their rooms. We have a huge backyard and we're taking pictures of the front, the back.

[00:04:14] And later on, we look at the pictures of the back. And in that bathroom window where he had committed suicide, there was a spirit that was doing this. I can see it and I wish I still had the picture, but it's going like this. And it was very white and not opaque. It was very dense. And that was our first. Hands against the window. Yes. It was going like sideways, like looking out. And that was the very first encounter.

[00:04:43] And I was like, okay, all right. You know, maybe it's just somebody passing through. Had those before. No big deal. And then, you know, didn't think much of it. Moved in. My husband got settled in his job. We had a roommate. And one night, he's playing solitaire. And the storms. Harrisburg has really, really, really amazing storms. When it lightning and thunders, it lightning and thunders.

[00:05:13] Because the lightning one time almost struck our house. And it was the tree in the backyard. And it just reverberated. And it was cool. I love storms. And so, he's going. It was really. That storm was intense. And I. My son. One of my sons went to walk out to the mailbox before the storm got real bad. I said, you need to hurry up. It's getting bad.

[00:05:41] And the lightning struck in front of him. And he ran back in the house. He's like, mom, I can't get the mail. And I'm like, that's okay. Don't worry about it. But I'd rather have you in one piece. So, our roommate went to go put the car down in the wrong spot. And I'm like, no, no, no. It doesn't go there. It goes over here. And my first physical, I guess you would call it manifestation, happened.

[00:06:10] Because I got smacked in the back of the head really hard. Like, let him play his game. Get out of it. And I was like, I think we need to stop playing this game. So, that happened. And then a few nights later, all four of our boys were up in one room. Because it was a really big room. It was a colonial-styled room. When you go out the front door, you go up the stairs.

[00:06:40] And there's two rooms to either side. There's a small room up to the right side. And then there's a really big room to the left. And you could fit two bunk beds, dressers, and still have room for more. Well, the boys were little. And we put them up there. And our room was downstairs. And my roommate was over to the right.

[00:07:07] And I kept having to go upstairs because they didn't want to go to sleep. And I'm like, guys, you need to go to sleep. Quiet down. Go to sleep. But, mom, we don't want to go. I said, just go to sleep. You got to school. And so, the more I'm going up there, I had to go up there five times. So, by the fifth time, I'm getting really, really pissed off about it. And I'm like, would you shut the hell up and go to sleep?

[00:07:35] And I turned around after closing their door. And I felt two little hands on the back of my thighs. And pushed me down the stairs and said, no, you shut the hell up. And I went flying down the stairs. Yeah, suck now. And I turned around and looked. And there was a little boy up there. And I'm like, you know what? That wasn't right. And he vanished.

[00:08:01] And I picked him up, actually, in Oklahoma when we lived there for nine months. So, he was like my little attachment. Well, like, what? Now I'm a bit confused. But I sort of want to go back to the beginning of what you said. So, the first time we went in the house and you said you had that pain on the left side. And then you obviously went to a hotel for the first place. So, after you'd been in there and you got that pain on the left side that you said, and then you saw the hotel.

[00:08:31] Was there any part of you then that was thinking, like, maybe this house isn't a good idea? Had you had that many experiences before you? We were just like, yeah, there'd be nothing. Or did you have, like, a bad feeling straight away? Nope. Not me. Fair enough. I was going to say, I didn't think so, given how many experiences you've had. Right. I'm one of those that's always up for a challenge. And this house proved to be a challenge. Because I figured, you know what? There's no spirit I can't conquer.

[00:09:01] And that was the naivety in me. Because I was in my mid-30s at that point. I'm now 50. How old am I? 53. Yeah. So, my brain is not awake. So, are you going to say hi, Roy? That was just my, you know, like most people that have paranormal experience. Yeah. They think, oh, I can deal with this. No problem. Until it becomes a problem. You know?

[00:09:30] And a lot of people say, well, why didn't you move away if it was that bad? When you have no money and you have two mortgages on one house and you just have no place you can go, you kind of stay put where you're at. So, that, that. Right. So, then my next thing then. So, you said, obviously, like the little boy that pushed you down the stairs. You just said then that you picked him up somewhere else. How do you mean? Yeah, in Oklahoma.

[00:09:57] So, he wasn't part of the house? No. When we lived in Oklahoma, he, see, I don't even know his whole story. All I know is he told me he was eight years old and his name was Matthew. Yes. And he kind of attached to me when we lived in Oklahoma for, like I said, nine months. Because with my husband being a trucker, we moved from spot to spot. Yeah.

[00:10:24] But we've been, and I don't know when he left me, but he did. And he left on his own. I didn't have to move on. Which was kind of nice. It was one less I had to do that with. So, I mean, things were pretty harmless in the beginning. And then they started escalating. I'd say about a year or so in. Because I'm trying to think. There was, I'm reading my notes.

[00:10:53] Me and my adopted daughter, we were sitting on the couch. And this is where it started. We were sitting on our living room couch. And we were just girl talking. And then there was an old man that always was in the living room. And I don't, well, you had your own spirit encounters. And I don't know if you can, but I know I can. You can pretty much, like, feel by their energy.

[00:11:23] What they are. Like, if it's male, female, kind of. You know what I'm saying? If it's masculine, feminine. And so, and then we were just sitting in there. And this guy used to pull my hair when I was on the couch alone watching TV. And actually our roommate was sitting with me one night. And he watched my hair get pulled up. And he's like, and he told it. He's like, you need to leave her alone.

[00:11:53] And he put my hair back down. And that was the last time he pulled my hair. But my daughter and I were sitting on the couch. And all of a sudden, this massive, I call it a kick, but I know it was an energy burst, threw the couch at least 10 feet across the living room. That couldn't help. And we were like, I think it's time to go upstairs and forget the couch for the night. I wouldn't have gone upstairs.

[00:12:23] I would have not. We were interested, but it was scary all at once. Yeah, I can imagine. I'd have gone and slept in the garden, I think. Yeah. You would have become a garden gnome. And then my encounters when Mimic Ghost started in this house. And I don't like Mimic Ghost at all. Not many people do. Yeah, we've got this conversation with all them things out. Yeah, those are very disturbing, especially when you have children.

[00:12:55] That's when all that started with me. I still, even though my youngest son is now 16, we still have Mimic Ghost. But I've taught him not to answer them because it just feeds into them. So that's the easiest way I found to deal with them. Because it takes away from their energy. And it does help. It really does.

[00:13:17] Another thing when we first moved in, I actually walked in between a man and a woman right at the stairs I was telling you about when you go upstairs to the bedroom. And I was having a conversation. And I stopped. And I was trying to listen to them, but they kind of got real quiet. And then they started whispering to each other. And then it stopped completely. And I was like, I want to know what you're talking about. So that was really interesting.

[00:13:47] I've never walked into a spirit conversation ever until that house. Yeah, that's like crazy on a tongue. So could you see them? Were they like full body like apparitions? Or could you just like tell them we're there? I have seen a little boy who looked like my third son. I thought it was him coming home from school. And clear as day, ran across the yard, same clothes, everything.

[00:14:14] And they got to the front door and vanished. Yeah. And I mean, normally I say, what was I going to say? My cat distracted me. He comes back. I'm like, okay, you know, what is going to happen? Because if I see my kids, that means telling me something's happening with one of my kids, whichever kid it was I saw. But he was fine. He was absolutely fine. So I don't know what that was.

[00:14:43] But my children, which I'll get into, also have had experiences in that house, every single one of them. My husband, not so much. He was made a believer towards the end of the house. And he believes now. He calls them the Oogie Boogie men. Anybody that walked in that house who didn't believe, believed by the time they left the house. Yeah, from a margin. Yeah. So it was that type of house. Really?

[00:15:13] Yeah. Yeah. And I had a really good best friend. I still talk to him now and again. Him and I went to the basement in EBT. Now, in the U.S., because I know you're in England, but you know that we fought the civil war between the North and the South. Okay. So in Harrisburg, well, Gettysburg is like 45 minutes south of Harrisburg. Now, that was where the three days of the bloodiest battle was. But in Harrisburg, it was fought.

[00:15:40] So my theory is, even though there was atrocities that happened in the house, I think it's also the land because of the civil war. And I say that because when me and my best friend Kaz went downstairs to EVP, there were three soldiers. And they identified themselves as such. And one was named Gabe. I forget what the other one was. And another one was named Blue.

[00:16:08] And Blue, you can tell by his talk and by the way he spoke that he was a slave, which was really sad. And he was so sweet. Gabe not so much. Gabe was a womanizer. And he was just, he was very rude. Kaz was down in the basement. I was upstairs and he was doing EVP on his, which I mean, you can do, but I never suggest it. And he's like, he was, he was analyzing it.

[00:16:38] And he's like, Angel, you gotta come here. I'm like, what? What's going on? And he's like, check out this EVP. And he was downstairs and he was talking to him. And he was mainly talking to Gabe. Gabe always stayed in the corner. And he goes, okay, I guess I'm going to leave these fags to themselves. And Gabe said, hey, I'm not a fag. And we busted up laughing. And we've caught a few EVPs that says she dies and her and body back.

[00:17:08] I'm the only female in the house at the time before my adopted daughter came to live with me. And the one time I went downstairs to go do laundry and there's support beams in the middle of the basement on the, depending which way you're facing, but on the left side. And I had the laundry basket and Blue jumped out and he goes, boo. And I'm like, and I dropped the basket because he scared me.

[00:17:36] And I thought, damn it, Blue, you scared me. And he goes, sorry, ma'am. And then he disappeared. Never heard from him again. And I was like, I was, I was kind of sad because I liked him so much. Yeah, that's strange. That was like the thing that like, basically got rid of him. You know what I mean? That's bizarre. He was just, he was so sweet and he kept the basement calm.

[00:18:00] And then after he left, you know, you could hear footsteps pounding on the door, things being thrown around in the basement. And it was just, it wasn't the same after Blue left. And it was, it was pretty harsh. I didn't like going down the basement at night. I always went during the day. And even then it was so uneasy feeling down there. It was just, it was, it was pretty bad. Yeah. I can imagine that. That was the basement. Yeah.

[00:18:27] I mean, like not in the basement of every fucking creepy places anyway, usually. I mean, we used to, it used to always be a woman joking here when, when me and Billy were doing this. Cause I always used to say I wanted a basement just because I like saying, because I like saying the word. Don't ask. I know that's weird, but still. Well, I say we don't, we don't have them here. So I kind of want one. Yeah. Be careful what you wish for. There's a good question. People listen. My oldest son. What's the difference between a basement and a cellar? You know, I never figured that out.

[00:18:57] If anybody knows, let us know. Right. I could see a lot of people say cellar. And I think of like going outside and the doors, like in the Midwest, the doors that open up on the outside. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Because they say storm cellar instead of storm basement. See, when I hear cellar, I just think wine cellar. See, that would be lovely. Because it's weird. It doesn't have the same ring to it.

[00:19:27] No, it doesn't. Does it? Or a wine closet. That would work. I don't know if you know what the hell we're talking about though. Or a wine shed. There we go. The problem is I don't like wine. I don't know. That is a good question. There we go. How much of people? Anybody knows? Leave it in the comments. What's the difference between a basement and a cellar? Well, yeah. Right then. Short. So you said obviously like short. Yeah. We need a brain's pig this morning. Yeah, definitely. Right.

[00:19:55] So you said obviously when Blue like disappeared from the basement sort of thing. Like obviously that was when down there just went to shit. Was that also when the rest of the house sort of intensified or is that happened at a different time or was that just intentionally off? Or was there a point when it all intensified? Yeah, because it was really weird.

[00:20:14] When you were in the house, it was like a bubble was over it and anybody who was in the house was like really mad and wanted to fight and argue. But when you were out of the house, everything was fine. So once he left, it was just, I don't know. I guess he was the peacekeeper of the entire house. And he may have been the whole time. I don't know because the house changed hands.

[00:20:42] We were like the sixth or seventh owner of the house and it was built in 1965. And we were there nine years ago. So it changed hands quite often. And the guy who built the house built the entire neighborhood. So it was like, it wasn't a cul-de-sac. It was like a circle. And there was about 10 homes that he had built. So, I mean, the neighborhood.

[00:21:09] The neighborhood definitely had some energy too. And it had a lot of, it had quite a few original owners and new people in it. So you said that like the house had like a bubble around you. Was it literally just the house or was it like, did that like apply to the garden as well? I think it was the property itself. And that's what I mean when I say, I think it went back to the Civil War time because I think the land itself was stained.

[00:21:37] I was going to say because if it was like literally just in the house and you could literally walk straight out the front door and then like them sort of angry feelings would just go straight away. That would be weird. That'd be even weirder. Right. If it was happening when you're still like within the vicinity of the house, then that almost makes a little bit more sense. Well, I mean, when you went outside, it let up. It definitely let up. Because you could go outside and you would feel better.

[00:22:05] But when you were inside, it was a whole different world. And I say that because and I'm the only one who could see it. Okay. So you have the bedrooms that went up there and then you had the living room and then you had the dining room. But up here was a whole different hallway that nobody else could see but me. And it was like a glowing spectral hallway that had eight different rooms that glow. Don't ask me why. I don't know what time period it is.

[00:22:32] I don't even know why it existed, but I could see it. And when we entered that house for the very first time, I was there before in another life when I was 65. Now, I was mid-30s when we moved in, but I was in there in another life when I was 65 years old. Yeah. See, that's weird. At first then, I was thinking that's almost like you're sitting into some other sort of dimension or something.

[00:22:59] Because when I said that before when we recorded this, you were like, wait a minute. Yeah, you confused the hell out of me. I thought my men knew were like 70-something now. I was like, what the hell is going on? Damn, you look good. No, but yeah, in another life, I knew I lived in that house because I could walk around and I knew where everything was and I knew what room was what. And nobody had to show me anything because I already knew the layout. Now, when I had bought the house, I didn't need to see it because I already saw it.

[00:23:28] So that was another weird thing that had happened. Yeah, I mean, anything like that is always weird to me because I don't understand. I mean, because to me, that's like if we have like a soul or something and then like your soul has a memory and that's your soul remembering, like you say, the previous life. I mean, I suppose that's what it is. But it's still weird and it baffles me and confuses me. I just, I can't get my head around it.

[00:23:56] But like I said, it's weird that you could see this other corridor because like I said before, that's almost like you're seeing into some sort of other like dimension or something. Yeah, and that's exactly what it felt like because we still don't know quite what that was. And I've showed you the updated pictures of the house. It's gorgeous. It is so pretty. And that's not what it looked like before. It's definitely not what it looked like before.

[00:24:21] But they really did a very nice restoration job on it because the ceiling was on the floor because we had pipes break and everything fell apart. And it was a disaster when we moved out and moved down here because the pipes weren't winterized and it was just a mess. But it's beautiful now. You wouldn't even know I was talking about the same house. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:47] I mean, it'd be good if you could find out if, like you say, when you had it, if that was like the original layout of the house or if it had been changed. And then like you said, maybe that's what you were seeing. Maybe you were like sort of seeing like the old layout of the house, if that makes sense. Yeah. No, I can try to find the original pictures like when we had it. I'm sure one of my kids may have had still had pictures.

[00:25:14] But speaking of them, oh, God, I got to remember my fourth, no, my third son would come home from the bus stop screaming that he couldn't go to school because he saw bloody people standing outside. Like they would have blood pouring down their face and they would be walking after him. Yeah, that's horrifying. Right? As a mom, I was gobsmacked. I'm like, no, we are not doing this. I will walk you to the bus.

[00:25:44] It's OK, you know. And then another one of my kids would see a little girl and she was like in a red silhouette dancing in the backyard and telling him to come play. It's OK to come play now in the middle of the night. And I'm like, no, no, we don't play in the middle of the night. You're supposed to be asleep. But she would like sing song to him to come play. So I never found out what she was about. Again, that's just as horrifying.

[00:26:14] There were a lot of little kid voices in that house. And that's quite disturbing. Don't know why. See, I have this thing about children and we've talked about this before and I don't use the word demonic often. But to me, children are demonic. Simple. They're either inhuman or demonic. That's just how I talk about them because I don't trust them. They're up to something. Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:40] Because we sort of had this conversation before because at first I was like, well, how do you explain all the kid ghosts and everything and kid spirits and everything that people claim to have seen? But then I pointed out that it's not very often that, you know, people claim to see like, you know, teenage ghosts sort of things. Do you know what I mean? It's always either adults or little kids. So, like, you know, is there some like weird rule where you have to get to a certain age before you become a spirit?

[00:27:10] Do you know what I mean? Almost like a drinking age. You have to get to a ghost age. I think we decided it was eight years old. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, teenagers, I think they do show up just not often. Because if you think a teenager when even in life, they're cave dwellers, most of them. So you're not going to steal it anyways. That's my theory.

[00:27:38] You just reminded me of something, actually. I went to go pick up my one son from tutoring and I had my other kids with me. And it was a snow night and we're driving down the road. It wasn't that far from the house. And there was a cemetery on the right. And I stopped in the middle of the road. Now, there was no traffic on this road. So we were OK. And my son said, Mom, why are you stopping? What's going on? I said, because a man just walked in front of the van. What do you want me to do?

[00:28:08] Run him over? This man had a head. He had arms. But as you go down and he had a trench coat. But as you go down, he had no legs. And as he's crossing across the street, he vanishes. And so we pull into where the tutoring is, which is out of school. And then as soon as we get into that parking lot, an ambulance pulls in right behind us. I'm like, OK, I really want to go home now. I need to go home now. So that was really, really freaky.

[00:28:36] And it has nothing to do with the house, but it has to do with the area. But yeah, so what happened? And it was with my kids with me. So and it was just it was probably it was connected to the cemetery. But I forgot about that till now. So that's weird. And a little off topic. But speaking of cemeteries, I don't know whether this is a thing over there for you guys.

[00:29:02] But in most of the cemeteries over here, there's like an old small church. And a lot of them have now been turned into houses and people like live in the cemeteries now. No way. Yeah. I don't know if I'd want that. I'd be one that would live in the cemetery. Yeah. I don't know if I'd want that. But yeah, I mean, I suppose it could be quite cool. It also could be fucking horrifying. I don't know. I think I get along better with the dead than I do the living.

[00:29:32] The living are more terrifying. Another thing that happened in the house was there was a spirit that wouldn't leave my oldest son alone. So I went into his room. I got my sage to banish it. And when I said, you must leave now, it said in my head, it says, watch me. And then I felt like I was being turned upside down in a tank of water. It was the weirdest experience I've ever had. Yeah, that sounds awful. It was.

[00:30:01] I mean, I saw my dead great grandmother when I was like eight years old on my bed. I've seen my mother get partially possessed by my uncle saying goodbye. But the physical sensation of being turned upside down in a water, that was incredibly odd. Yeah, I can fucking imagine. That sounds, again, horrific. Yeah. Yeah. So that was some of the stuff.

[00:30:23] So in total in that house, personally, I have been slapped, bit, bruised, and pushed downstairs in that house. Yeah, see, I'm starting to regret doing this now because I've obviously, our mutual friend taught me, I steal his little catchphrase every single episode that I do now. You know, when you look into the paranormal, it looks back. And obviously, you know, listeners know, I've had a lot of experiences now since doing this.

[00:30:51] And, like, if this is what it's going to get to where I'm getting pushed down the stairs and shit and getting fucking slapped about and whatever, then I might just have to burn the shed down. No, I don't need that. Yeah. It gets where you think. You are literally going insane. Hmm. Yeah, I can imagine. Like, you were probably, obviously, you'd already had so many experiences anyway. Like, was there a point where you were, like, questioning your sanity? I was.

[00:31:18] I was sleeping on the couch because I had experiences in the room that I said we had our boys in because we ended up sleeping there. And what had happened was I was a much larger girl then. I weighed 316 pounds then. I had a lot of back problems. I had to have gastric bypass surgery. So it wreaked havoc on my back when I started losing. Well, this was before I lost weight.

[00:31:47] So I had to sleep on a separate mattress on the floor because my back was hurting so bad and whatnot. So I was having this nightmare. I ended up was I was on my stomach and that's something I usually never do. But I had this nightmare that this woman and she was an older woman, heavyset, short. And she had not a handkerchief, but like a scarf wrapped around and tied under her head.

[00:32:14] And she had a, I want to say a butchering knife, but a very large knife over my back like this. And so, of course, you're going to wake up in a panic and you're going to be scared. Well, I had turned over. And when I did, she was right there. And I froze because you're like in between that dream and is this reality? Twilight thing.

[00:32:42] And then I screamed at her and then she went away. So I was very intensely like, did that really just fucking happen to me? And I don't remember if it was the same night or a few nights later, I felt my husband get or I hurried him get out of bed, walk past my mattress, kick it insanely hard and then go to the bathroom. And I'm like, why did he just kick my mattress?

[00:33:09] So when he come back, he got back in the bed. I'm like, why did you kick my bed? He's like, what? I said, why did you kick my bed? What was the point of that? And I got really mad. Then I had a short temper and it started an argument. He goes, I never got out of it. So from that point on, I slept downstairs. I only went upstairs during... Don't blame you. Yep. I never, never, never, never slept up there again. And there was also this little girl.

[00:33:38] For some reason, she's partially why I still dream about the house. She's the one who keeps calling me back. And I don't get it because the house doesn't look the same. So why am I still being called back? I have no clue. But she would always stand on the side of the bed when I slept in the bed and peer down at me and just watch me sleep.

[00:34:01] But maybe, like you say, when you were there the first time, like you say, previous life you, maybe she was some sort of connection to you then and that's why you get called back there. Maybe, maybe. And there was like two or three spirits that were in that one room and stayed in that one room. And then there was a woman who would go across the two rooms upstairs and seem lullabies.

[00:34:25] So I'm wondering if it may have had young children in both rooms at one point, like a nursery or something. Possibly. So, I mean, the house definitely had character, but it was definitely frightening at the same time. Yeah, I can imagine it just like... It all just sounds like horrific and like...

[00:34:48] Like I said, obviously, I've started doing like investigations and stuff and I've started having my own experiences even in my own house. And like I've had... Well, only when I've been on investigations, like I've had like bad feelings. Like locally everything in my house, pretty sure like 90% of it's my granddad. So it's always just like, you know, I just let it happen. Just go with it, whatever happens, happens sort of thing.

[00:35:14] But like if anything bad starts happening in my house, I don't know how the hell I'd deal with that to be honest. I mean, I know I wouldn't deal with it well, but I don't know. Yeah, even I can't tell you how happy I was to leave that house. And now we're moving back up there. Not to the house. I'm not that insane. Crazy, but I'm not insane. But we're moving to the same area. So, but will I go see that house again? No, I just can't do it.

[00:35:43] When we went up there in September to our son's wedding, our eldest son's wedding, they're like, Mom, you want to go see the house? I said, absolutely not. I am not going. Y'all can go. You can go see it. Have fun. Feel froggy. But I am not going. 100% not going. So, so what, what is it that makes you not want to go back? Do you just like, like you say, even if it's literally just, you drive up to it, you stand outside, you have a look.

[00:36:11] Like, are you, are you like worried, like, of what will happen there and then? Or are you worried that something then might basically follow you? Or a bit of both? We were there, not September, but we were there, I want to say three years ago for our second son's wedding. And I made the mistake of going past the house. I did go past it once.

[00:36:35] And I got the most, now, I don't know if it's PTSD, if it just, if it was everything, well, that would be PTSD. If it's everything we went through in that house. And I know there's new owners in it and they have had the house for the last nine years. It's not changed hands. Even when it went back on market and they redid it, I couldn't even look at it online.

[00:37:01] It just, when I saw it in person again, it made me so sick to my stomach. I was like, okay, that's it. We've got to go. Let's go. I can't be here anymore. Fair enough. I mean, I can, well, I can definitely understand why. I think I'd probably be the same if I was you. Yeah. It would be like, you know, like, well, I don't even know if that's a good example because I don't know if it was a real haunting or not. Amityville, I know how you feel about Enfield. Yeah.

[00:37:31] Well, bullshit. Kidnap. Amityville, The Conjuring, things like that, who, people who have lived it, would they want to go back? I don't think so. Because it's something that stains your psyche. You don't want to go back through that. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's like, it's like since getting into doing the investigations and stuff. And obviously I've been to a couple of places a couple of times now.

[00:37:58] And like, if I go there and something really fucking horrific happens, as much as I've been there however many times before, it's only going to take that one bad thing to happen to make me not want to go back again. So I can understand what you mean. Yeah. I mean, honestly, have I entertained the thought about actually like just sucking it up and going in the house? Absolutely. I want to conquer that fear. Will I? Yeah.

[00:38:27] That's a whole other story. I do not know. But if I do, I'll record it and I'll send it to you. I'll send it. I did it. But yeah, I mean, that house. You asked me the last time we recorded this if anybody outside my house ever heard anything. And there was this one, my adopted daughter, her mom, before she lived with me, her mom came in and hung out.

[00:38:53] And her name is also my birth name. And she's like, did you hear that? And I'm like, did I hear what? And I heard it. I just wanted to see what she said. And she goes, somebody's whispering my name. And I'm like, nah, you're lying. She goes, no, I'm not. So we continued talking for a little bit more. And I kept hearing it. She goes, your house is haunted. I said, you think? So she left and she never come back again.

[00:39:21] And then another friend of my daughter's was walking down the stairs. And he's a tall kid. He was a very tall kid. And when you walk down the stairs, the wall met kind of three quarters of the way down. His feet flung out from underneath him. And his face smacked that wall. He never come back again either. Yeah. I mean, I don't blame them. But yeah, because I remember now, because that was my question sort of like, because it goes back to that old saying, like, you know, is it the house that's haunted?

[00:39:50] Is it the people that's haunted sort of thing? Because if it was literally just like you and your family experience and stuff and anybody else who went in the house, wasn't experiencing anything, didn't feel anything, didn't hear, see anything, then, you know, then that pretty much confirms it. Like, you know, it was you guys that were haunted. But like you say, if it's other people that are going in the house, then it's definitely something within the house. I mean, whether anything's happened since, then I don't know, maybe you guys being there, like, drew something out, if that makes sense. Right.

[00:40:18] And it's like, we had a worker that was putting in the front door. And he had a leveler to make sure it was all even. And we were telling him the ghost stories while I was. And he goes, oh, I don't believe in ghosts. They're not real. Okay. When one of your things come up, Missy, we'll test that theory. Well, he called me a few days later. He said, my leveler's missing. I don't know where it's at. I said, I found your leveler at the top of my stairs. He goes, I never was upstairs. I said, I know. He goes, you can keep it.

[00:40:48] I'll just get me another one. Okay. I said, you don't believe in ghosts, huh? He goes, no. Now I do, and I won't be that. Well, it brings no meaning to the name spirit level. Right. He leveled up that day. But no. Yeah. So it wasn't just us. It was actually, it was happening in real time. The TV would turn on. We've had things thrown. And nobody would be in the room. It was a real thing.

[00:41:16] Now, I don't know the new owners. Part of me wants to check up on it, but part of me wants to leave them alone. Because if they're not, they're not tainted with it, I don't want them to be tainted with it. Yeah, exactly. It's one of them weird situations, isn't it? Where it's like, you want to know, but then you also don't want to cause problems. Right. Right. And that just comes with experiences.

[00:41:42] Now, a lot of people would say, now, did you cause some of the hauntings with maybe a Ouija board and whatnot? Absolutely. I did use a Ouija board. We did do tarot cards. Because our roommate is in, well, I don't talk to him anymore, but it's in the magics just like I am. For the most part, and I say for the most part because everybody makes mistakes, try to close it like it should be closed. Now, we probably added more to the house.

[00:42:12] But since they renovated it, I don't know, like I said, if they disturbed it more or not. But I would think if they disturbed it more, they wouldn't be in there for nine years. But we were in there for 15. So. Still got over six years left then, haven't they? Yeah. That they do. If it doesn't drive them insane first. I don't know. Yeah. It's just, I don't know.

[00:42:34] It's just, like I said, I mean, to me, it seems, I'd say that like you, you being there, like, maybe you specifically and not like, oh, maybe it's literally like a combination of your entire family being there. Like almost brought something out within the house, I'd say. Maybe. Maybe. It could be with having spiritual people in there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's what I mean. I mean, like you said, maybe the people that are in there now are just full on skeptics and unbelievers and everything. And like, that's why. I don't know.

[00:43:04] But then again, obviously, then you, but then you obviously get, you get stories of people who don't believe, who have experiences and stuff. So it's just, I don't know. I don't know what the rules are.

[00:43:41] Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. And no. Because I got family up there. Yeah, true. And that's the whole point of going. But am I apprehensive? Absolutely. Because do I want to live that again? Not a chance. No. No, that's something I don't want to relive. But I probably will. But if they say, we have a house that had a suicide. No, no, no. I will find another house. You can keep your suicide house. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[00:44:10] Because I will not do that again. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Is that it for the house then? I think so. I think we covered more this time than we did last time. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Because people won't realize until now this is the second attempt of doing this. Yes. It was almost the third. Yeah, good old internet. Fucking shower to shit. But yeah, right. We shall leave it there then, Angel. So if anybody, I don't know, wants to get in touch with you, has any questions, where can people find you?

[00:44:39] Mainly on my Instagram. It's A-M-G-E-L Hinman. H-I-N-M-A-N. I almost spelled my last name. Fair enough, fair enough. Right then. Well, thank you for coming back for the third time. But people will only hear this as the second time. But yeah, anyway, ignore that. But yeah, right then. So we'll leave it there for this one, guys. So thank you, as always, for listening. Go and follow our Instagram page at the Spooky Shed Podcast. Link in the bio there for all the other socials that we still don't really use.

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