Dora the Explorer

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[00:00:56] Because we learned that this kills people and makes us stupid. So why? Because it's going to keep making us stupid and if we don't ban it now, we'll never ban it. Because we'll be too stupid! Who's excited then? Now... Is excited the right word to use?

[00:01:34] Well, firstly, welcome back. Exactly, I'm talking about the beginning of season 4. The end of the need of... Exactly, that's what... Hola! Soy Dora! Soy Laura! Soy Elsie! Meg is now Dora. Welcome back everybody. Sorry for our absence and thank you for your patience. How is everyone?

[00:02:00] I'm feeling so great to be back. Genuinely. We've recorded quite a bit in the last few weeks but it's been bonus episodes. We have a TV show to talk about again. It's exciting. Yes, so we polled a load of episodes.

[00:02:15] We're not exclusively going to do the episodes that you guys have selected but we wanted to give you the opportunity to have a say in the structure of the new series. I mean we did the same thing last series.

[00:02:29] We did it with more fan shows in this time? No. Oh, it feels like more. I mean the eagle-eyed amongst you might notice that last season we polled what shows you wanted us to cover and then we kind of did a lot of those shows that lost anyway.

[00:02:46] Yes, and we didn't do one of the ones that did poll because... Oh, that's right! The last episode of the series was supposed to be Kipper and there wasn't enough to say about Kipper so we chose...

[00:03:02] We selected some other shows and polled those and rugrats one so we did a rugrats instead. Yes, that's right. Eventually we'll do Kipper and Spot because we wanted to pit the dogs against each other. Oh my god, yeah, we could do like a little dog episode.

[00:03:18] It would be easier to do Kipper and Spot together than to just do Kipper. I don't even know if Spot has a TV series. I know that they're both series of books. Shall we run down the polls that we ran and what won?

[00:03:32] Yes, so we polled Paddington versus Winnie the Pooh. Winnie the Pooh 1988 TV series. And Winnie the Pooh won. We polled 64's New Lane and the Teletubbies. And the Teletubbies won. We polled Bear Behaving Badly and Basil Brush and Basil Brush won.

[00:03:56] And we polled Dora the Explorer and Curious George. The Monkey Sidekicks. Yes, and obviously Dora won. Yes, Dora won. And unfortunately literally every category is the one that me and Elsie wanted to do. Lost! So here we are. It's my own fucking fault.

[00:04:21] If we'd just gone, yeah, we're gonna do Paddington. But we respect you guys. I mean to be honest, because we've not signed any sort of contract between you and us, we could have just done what we wanted to do. But you know, we like you.

[00:04:37] We like you. So how has everyone's break been? It's been utterly delightful. Yeah. I mean, to be honest it felt at first really weird because when we started having the break, there was a couple of weeks before we actually started recording any bonus material for Patreon.

[00:04:58] And I had entire evenings like after work where I didn't have to do anything. And I was getting nervous. But I'm missing something. I'm letting things slide. I don't know how to relax anymore. I'm so ruined. But you had a nice holiday?

[00:05:15] Yeah, so about, I don't know, half a week ago I came back from the Lake District. I went to the Lake District for my family which we've done almost every year since the beginning of time.

[00:05:27] But we love it. We go in the lakes. We go up the hills. What else is it to do? Yeah, it's like up hills. It's walking, it's shopping, it's swimming. That's what we did. It was lovely. How was your break? I too went on holiday.

[00:05:44] Me and Mr Meg went... When... I was nearly spitting out her wine. Went to Greece, that was really nice. It was like 36 degrees the whole time we were there. It was like ridiculously warm. But yeah, it was really good. You got a bit burnt, didn't you?

[00:06:03] Just a teeny tiny little boot. It's not the worst boot I've ever had in my life. What about you, Laura? He's two fuckers on holiday and I just stayed here because I'm too poor.

[00:06:14] Well, I almost invited you to the Lake District because my dad said on the group chat... I could go with Elsie's girlfriend. He said, Betty and Arthur, very welcome to bring your boyfriends along. He called them both by name but I'm not going to do that.

[00:06:31] There's plenty of room and there was. There was loads of beds in the place we were staying and I was like, wait to make me feel single though. So Laura, I should have brought you along really. I don't think I could have gone. You had a hospital appointment.

[00:06:44] Yeah, you couldn't have gone but the three of us should go and do like a holiday like that sometime. If we're going on like a relaxing holiday, can we leave England?

[00:06:54] Yeah, sure, but if we want to go on a not relaxing holiday, we have no reason to do that. If we want to go on a stressful holiday, literally just go like central London. It's so fucking ram today. I'm not holidaying to central London. No, yeah, I know.

[00:07:09] We live in Zone 2. Yeah, I know. No, it's just my root home today. So my uni's and Bloom's were at this fucking tourist everywhere. And I'm like, I get it. It's warm, sure, but it's like could you share the pavement

[00:07:27] and stop trying to bash me into scaffolding, please? Yeah, London in the summer is not the one. It's like the wild west. It's awful. It's horrible. Piccadilly Gardens Circus. Yeah, that's the one. Piccadilly Gardens. It's in Manchester. Yeah, well Piccadilly Gardens as well in the summer. Horrible.

[00:07:47] Yeah, it's Pride soon. I saw a bunch of drag queens. It's been, hasn't it? London Pride. It's afternoon. I ain't got a clue. Okay, no, I don't know. I'm just curious in how close to central London you can live

[00:07:58] and still not know anything about anything that's going on. Well, yeah, because it's like we also were south of the river and it's like we pretend that the North doesn't. We only go to the North and we have to. When is an important event across the bridge

[00:08:12] that isn't the London Marathon realistically? See, me and Meg take automatic moral high ground for being from the North. It's kind of the way it works. And if you're Scottish, you can automatically take moral high ground over the English. It's simply how it works. Or the Northern Irish.

[00:08:31] Or the Northern Irish. Literally if you're not English. Yeah, so but because we're from Yorkshire, which is the only county that is for some reason proud of itself, we take that opportunity. But when you're in London, it flips. And South Londoners are like,

[00:08:47] they think that North London people are the snobby ones because it's a bit nicer. Not even true. It's not true, but I don't know why I think I think it's really easy to say that anywhere in London is, but like there's loads of bits of South London

[00:09:03] that are nicer than loads of bits of North London. Yeah, that's true. But like the general historic. Yeah, no, I don't think we think we're better because the South is nicer. I just think the South is the underdog. The underdog. Yeah, it's like the North bank gets everything.

[00:09:22] North of the River gets everything and you're all very like, wouldn't cross the river? Wouldn't cross the river? And we're like, Neither would we. We prefer living here. Yes, we get to live in Zone 2 for a fraction of the cost that it would be zone 2 North London.

[00:09:36] And your dad grew up in North London. Yeah. He was always like a proper North London person. Like why would he move? I told my aunt who obviously also grew up in North West London that we were living, we were moving to Clapham and she went,

[00:09:48] you're moving south of the river. How could you? And now your dad would like to move here. Yeah, he fucking loves, also you get into like borough arguments and then the less talked about, but I think more actually defining a difference East London versus West London.

[00:10:05] People don't talk about it as much, but I think there's a bigger difference. Yeah, I agree actually. And yeah, like cause all my grandparents live in Brent, I think it's a shit borough. Oh yeah. I much prefer our borough. My manager is in their council is horrendous.

[00:10:21] Anyway, what a boring conversation for everyone else. Unless you live in London and know exactly what we're talking about. But what if the fucking pavements in Brent versus the fucking pavements around here? We have lovely pavements. Oh that's so smooth. Yeah. Right, try the pavements in the norm.

[00:10:36] I was going to pavements just mud. Just gravel. Little hut in the middle of the north covered in mud. And we shit outside. University. Never heard of it. Sound shite. Right, so what are we doing today then? We're doing Dora. Hola soy Dora.

[00:11:37] Can you count to 10 or whatever she says. So how old are you? That's big. Backpack, backpack. Backpack, backpack. The songs are like just words shouted. Yeah, they're not songs. I wasn't very impressed with the music. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map.

[00:12:01] If there's a place you gotta get I can get you there. I bet I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. I'm the map. We've been away for a while and I've actually forgotten how I usually structure this.

[00:12:21] So I've got some quite in depth notes. I might just work down it and we can... Sure. Yep. So it ran from 2000 to 2019. So the original show Dora the Explorer in its most used format went for 19 years, right? There are spin-offs but they coincided with the original show.

[00:12:50] So there are lots of versions. So there was Go Diego Go. Diego was her cousin who was eight years old and Dora... Well how old's Dora? Seven. Oh. Because boys are older than girls. Right. Adios primo.

[00:13:07] And his show was like a very similar concept like the whole asking questions to the audience fourth wall break but it was about nature and animals and identifying animals and helping animals. So that was Go Diego Go and that went from 2006 to 2011.

[00:13:23] There was Dora and Friends Into the City. That only went from 2016 to 2017. So more characters, not as much fourth wall breaking and also she's 10 now. She's like or maybe even a bit older. She's like a tween and she lives in California.

[00:13:44] So there's still lots of adventures but they're like using their imagination more because it's actually centered specifically in LA. Right. She moved to LA for that movie contract. Yeah also the map is now an app in... They just rolled their eyes.

[00:14:03] Yeah it's map the app not map in Dora and Friends. I suppose that does make sense but like... Yeah. Whoa lots of tunnels. We have to be very careful. We can't get lost with all the horses. Dora how do we know which tunnel will lead us out?

[00:14:22] Map app will help us find a way out. Say map app. In 2024 right now there is a sort of 3D animated like CGI animated. Really ugly. It's really ugly and it's called Dora. I feel like they just keep...

[00:14:43] I don't know who they is in this circumstance but they just keep like scooping up children's IPs and making them into ugly 3D animatix. This is like the third or fourth one we've done where we're like oh they've just rebooted it and it's not... To be worse.

[00:14:58] Because also like 3D animation is cheaper now than hand animation and it's like oh that's just literally lowest hanging fruit. It's very disappointing. Yeah and also another thing that we've covered extensively on this part is how lots of things are behind a payroll now

[00:15:16] and Dora 2024 is only available on Paramount. Which who the fuck has Paramount plus? People and kids mate. Well I mean yeah that's fair. That's the only place we could watch Rugrats as well. It's the only place we could watch Rugrats.

[00:15:35] Because I think it's just annoying me when they're like oh this one studio is gonna do their own one and it's like stop it. And because Dora is for very young kids and it's genuinely the simplest concept just to get children to think about things and respond.

[00:15:52] Like that's it. The fact that this one's behind a payroll is like I mean same thing with Sesame Street which was a genuine like force for good in getting kids to like think about numbers and shapes. Like it's actually one of the more cutting ones

[00:16:07] that's been put behind a payroll because really it's just a shame about... I mean it is uglier than the original but it's the same concept and it's a shame that this one's been put onto streaming. Sesame Street PBS.

[00:16:22] It was PBS and now it is one of the ones that is not public. Right. Access. Right. Oh that's a shame. So the producers were Chris Gifford, Valerie Walsh-Valdes and Eric Viner. So they were all white. Back, back, back, back.

[00:16:44] I think the head of Nickelodeon at the time I think that's what she was, Brown Johnson. She went to a conference and learned that the... Why are you laughing? Because she's called Brown. Is that... Brown Johnson. She's white as well.

[00:17:02] Johnson is the second most common last name in the States. Is it? Right. What about Brown as a first name? Oh God. That's way down on the list isn't it? Yeah, yeah for sure. Right next to purple. So originally Dora was going to be a skunk called Stinky.

[00:17:21] What really? Chicken Winkley. Is there like some looney tunes breached there because of the fucking the French skunk? Well for a very short time she was going to be a woodland creature and then Brown Johnson went to a conference and learned that of the 80

[00:17:40] like most popular or most screen time. I don't know what the measurement was but the top 80 prime time characters under the age of 18, not a single one of them was Latina. But was any of them a skunk? You know I'm going to say no.

[00:17:59] Who's that one looney tune skunk? Yeah. I can't remember what he's called. Do you consider looney tunes to be prime time in this day and age or in 2000 even? I watched a lot of looney tunes as well. Or on VHS. Oh yeah for sure.

[00:18:13] So they decided tell you what let's get a team of consultants in and let's make her a Latina girl. The original idea was to properly embed her in a specific culture like either make her Mexican or Cuban or Puerto Rican or just something

[00:18:31] and then they decided there's not really. Let's cast the widest net. Yeah there's not really any need to do that. There's plenty of people already not being represented in children's TV so let's just make her like pan Latina.

[00:18:48] That's interesting because it's like I see the merits of that but I also see the like downsides of that. It's like you're not properly representing a culture so you're slightly misrepresenting lots of cultures.

[00:19:00] Yeah they said the same when they chose the breed of pig that Pepper Pig was. They did didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. It's a joke. Okay. You're misrepresenting all the other pigs. I mean on the topic of Pepper Pig I think this is the show that most resembles

[00:19:18] that one in those we've covered because it's a huge media franchise. And yeah I prefer Pepper Pig. Me too. Yeah so I don't know if they are misrepresenting any particular cultures they're just not going that deep into it.

[00:19:33] I guess the point there that misrepresenting is maybe a bit of a strong word but like because you're not doing one proper service you're doing a slight disservice if that makes sense. Yeah I get that. Well because it's like if you just make your character Asian. Yeah.

[00:19:50] You're like representing a whole continent with just... Well the thing is all of these places that she could come from like Cuba, Puerto Rico, Peru they do all speak the same language. Yeah I mean that is all Hispanic people. I guess except for Brazil. Except for Brazil yeah.

[00:20:12] It's not just Hispanic people either. Yeah that's true. Yeah so I was googling the difference because I don't know and I wanted to. Like all their cultures are very massively like historically. Yeah yeah. See you don't know because they didn't teach you.

[00:20:29] No what I was going to say was what I didn't know was the difference between Latina and Hispanic. Right. So the difference, my understanding is that Latina and I'm saying Latina because she's a girl. Yeah. And not Latino. Yeah. Or Latinx.

[00:20:47] I'm not saying Latinx because people from those regions tend not to do that. Yeah I feel it. It's like a kind of American. Modern, we're a bit nervous about what to do. We're nervous about what is acceptable but generally. We're just three gringas trying. Gringas? Yeah. Gringex. Gringex.

[00:21:08] So Latina refers to a location and Hispanic refers to the language that's spoken. Right yeah so all of Latin America is Latina. Yeah. But all of Latin America barring the ones that don't speak Spanish and Spain. So those ones are Hispanic. Yeah.

[00:21:32] Meg's definitely got the most sort of background education in this. Yeah. But that, well that's my understanding of it. Yeah. So like French Guinea or French Ghana is it Guinea? French Ghana. And Jamaica as well.

[00:21:47] So you're basically considered to be Latina even though most people there don't actually refer to themselves as that? Like, so Brazil's not Hispanic. I mean the Caribbean probably gets quite complicated. Yeah yeah for sure. Because you've got a lot of French speaking as well.

[00:22:02] You've got like in Jamaica. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah so in that sense she's Hispanic and Latina. Exactly. Yeah. So Spain is not Latina. No we go. No yeah. So you said in they don't go too deep into a specific culture but in the movie and we'll talk

[00:22:26] more about the live action movie a bit later because I do have things to say about the live action movie. Me too. Have you seen it? No but I have one very specific, like a clip I've seen. Yeah.

[00:22:37] Okay so in that movie they do use Quechua language references to it. You talk about specific thing like real engineering that the Incuns invented and it is situated in a specific location which is the Amazonian jungle. Right. Okay.

[00:22:58] So it has got more specific references and it does go slightly deeper into a specific like actual facts which is really cool. But the you know I actually don't think it's that big of a problem that it is not teaching

[00:23:15] preschoolers about because it's not really about teaching preschoolers about specific language thing. Yeah. It's about getting them to build confidence, learn words, talk. But it's like if she's like the first Latina character like making that first move irregardless of how in depth they went on that.

[00:23:39] It is a good move in the right direction. Yeah well because it was 2000, Pat Buchanan was running for president and there was a lot of anti-Spanish speaking rhetoric like a lot. Pat Buchanan is not so wait who is that? Just a politician in the US.

[00:23:59] He was never president. I mean you know that. I know you're not a student. I know the president's well I've been alive. Yeah sure sure sure. So it was quite important to the creators that they basically had a bilingual character.

[00:24:15] And she was the first one and she kind of represents friendship and acceptance and working together and as much as I find the show genuinely unbearable to watch, I do love the character.

[00:24:33] Yeah no I think that again as we've said with several TV shows the issues that we've collectively got with the show is like nothing to do with the content of the show. It is simply so not for like where adults. Yeah yeah.

[00:24:51] And it's like as it is I guess kind of more educational than some of the shows that we've talked about but there is kind of nothing for adults in this one. Like some shows we watch and we're like oh yeah that's still funny now.

[00:25:06] And I mean I was watching it earlier and I was some parts I was genuinely like howling with laughter out wasn't I because yeah some but not even necessarily because it's funny because it's ludicrous and I found that very funny but I actually

[00:25:21] find her find it to be quite an attack on the senses. Do you like to go to the playground? We do too. We're on our way to a new playground. It has a slide, a tunnel, a swing set and oh oh monkey bars. Monkey bars are my favorite.

[00:25:48] Do you want to go with us to the new playground? Great it's just over the Troll Bridge. Vamanos! For something that is so kind of loud and nothing. Like the characters don't have personalities like Dora kind of does a little bit

[00:26:14] but like boots her sidekick monkey and the map and the backpack they don't have They don't have personalities and yet it's 22 minutes long. Also like because I was not always looking when I was watching it. So boots and Dora's voice are actually really similar.

[00:26:40] So when you're not like you're like wait who's fucking talking I don't actually know. Well three girls played Dora and three boys played boots. Great. If you'd have told me that three boys played Dora, three girls played boots I believe you because they were all like very young.

[00:26:57] If you told me one person played fucking whatever. Played everything yeah. Yeah that tracks. Backpack, backpack. To get past the toll here's what we'll do. First we need six coins and then we'll add two. First count to six with me. One, two, three, four, five, six.

[00:27:27] We counted to six but we're still not through. We need some more coins. We've got to add two. Everything is because it's all in very short sentences. Like very short like we need to go this place. This is how we'll get there. Can you say this?

[00:27:48] And there aren't any run-on sentences and there's a pause between each thing to let the audience respond because they ask questions of the audience. So because of that there's no very variance in the way that the lines are delivered. So it gets really annoying to listen to.

[00:28:07] And 22 minutes of this always with an upwards inflection. That sounds like the grumpy old troll. I think he's in trouble. Could somebody help me please? It sounds like the grumpy old troll is in Trolland and he needs help.

[00:28:24] We have to go under the bridge to get to Trolland so we can find the grumpy old troll. Dora, we've got to find him so everyone can go to the new playground. Valanoss! It's a lot how advertising is delivered in that really uppity kind of way.

[00:28:43] And it's relentless and you're like, I can't listen to this. It's so just not normal for a very specific reason. But it means that it's just grating really quickly. We should probably explain what the show is and what the show does.

[00:29:04] So I don't really know how because it's... Well every episode Dora goes on some kind of little adventure and there's moments of back and forth where she's trying to teach the audience Spanish. I don't think she is trying to teach the audience Spanish.

[00:29:21] I don't think that this is like a linguistic learning material. I think it's so kids who are bilingual see themselves. I don't think you... You know how in like Tots TV where Tilly says something in French

[00:29:38] and one of the other two says what she just said in French but in English. So you would learn that what she just said in French means what they just said in English. There's none of that. That's true. She'll just say stuff in Spanish.

[00:29:51] It's nice that it's got that bilingual aspect but I don't think you're going to learn very much from it. You're not going to learn a second language from it. No. But it is a nice way of introducing kids that... Yeah.

[00:30:06] ...to the idea that there are different people and they're... There are two languages. I've got cousins who are bilingual and until a certain age, I don't know if this is all kids but it was certainly them, didn't realize that they were speaking two languages.

[00:30:21] They just thought there was two words for everything. So they turn around and start saying because they're half Polish and then start saying things to you in Polish and you'd be like,

[00:30:29] I don't know how to explain to this three year old that I need them to say all the words they just said but all the words that they didn't say the ones they know. Does that make sense? It's really strange.

[00:30:41] Just to give some credence to the quantity of the population for watching this. In the States it's estimated about 53 million people speak Spanish as a second language. Which is why Tilly spoke Spanish in the American top TV. Yeah, yeah. Which makes more sense.

[00:31:00] So there are moments where like the episode that we watched today, there was like a bit where they were kicking a ball into a net and she says, In English we say kick the ball. In Spanish we say, and she said the Spanish one,

[00:31:17] then for the rest of that little mini game, and I'll explain why I call it a mini game in a second. She's getting the audience to say the Spanish version. So there are little bits of learning.

[00:31:30] I mean, I don't actually think it is a good resource for language learning, but it's good that it's in there. It might be good for like if you already have it practice. Yeah, a little bit. So the way the show works is she will go on a quest.

[00:31:50] I mean, let's use the episode that we watched as an example. So Dora and Boots want to go to the new playground and they can't for some reason because there's a troll in the way or something and they have to rescue the troll from his pit

[00:32:09] before they can like cross over and go to the playground. It's like convoluted little side quests to get to a location. So remember, bowl, toll, pole, goal, hole. So you tell Dora first, you go to the new playground and you can see the troll.

[00:32:57] So you can see the troll. You can see the troll. You can see the troll. You can see the troll. You can see the troll. So you tell Dora first, you go to the ball. Where do we go first? The ball, right. Laura's stifling laughter right now

[00:33:23] but I actually do have to say that it wasn't that different from that episode of It's Always Sunny because they do have to pay a toll and go into a hole. I was watching it and then also the troll sounds a bit like Danny DeVito. You're like laughing.

[00:33:41] They knew what they were doing, surely. Which came first? Dora came first. Did you guys watch one where they ended up in a giant bowl of cereal? Yes. That was the same one. Either the troll shit happened multiple times or we did watch the same one.

[00:33:59] There are trolls throughout Dora as side characters but basically they want to get from one place to another or they want to achieve a goal which is, you know... The troll? There's like rescuing the troll king or some shit. Yeah, rescuing the troll king

[00:34:19] or like rescuing some sort of animal character or finding an object anything like that. It's like the simplest concept. Visiting from the purple planet. Family's looking for him. We have to get baby Winky to his family before their spaceship takes off. Mama! Mama! Let's go, let's go!

[00:35:12] And then along the way there are little side games. Along the way to this troll they had to sail across a giant bowl. They had to do something with a pole. They had to kick a ball into a goal. And the map got access to a boy's hole.

[00:35:32] You see, I don't watch always sunny and chilly but even I know you've got to pay the troll-tole to get into this boy's hole. Trroll-tole What you say? Trroll-tole Trroll-tole Here's your troll-tole. You have to pay the troll-tole to get in. If you want the baby boy's hole

[00:36:20] you have to pay the troll-tole. They are saying soul but it's yeah. So the map will explain all the different checkpoints they have to hit. And along in all of these checkpoints there's like a little mini-game and I say mini-game because Dora the Explorer plays like

[00:36:42] an educational click and point CD-ROM. Do you see the farmers market? Where is it? Yes, it is. Bippie Bop Yippee! Come on, let's get baby Winky back to his family before the space should take off. Tallest mountain Market Bridge And it clicks and it clicks very confusing.

[00:37:44] It's really weird so she'll ask a question like which path do we take? The path with the dogs or the path with the logs? And there'll be a second of silence and then a cursor will come into view and click on the correct path. And

[00:38:06] sometimes if they're not doing that they're asking the audience to repeat something back to them. I find that really because they ask a question to the audience and then there's silence while a child presumably would scream at the TV. They look at you and blink

[00:38:28] and I find it really weird. I actually find it so weird that they added the blink in. It would be less creepy. A second of silence, a cartoon blinks while the audience is responding. I would have found it less creepy if they just not blink.

[00:38:42] Probably because if there was no movement it might look unnatural and stuck. All the ones that I saw they weren't playing music in this moment. It was ambient noise or just silence and I'm like that's so discomforting. Meg said that silently looking and blinking is very Peter Griffin.

[00:39:06] She drew a weird comparison between Family Guy and Dora. I actually thought that her head with the hair was like the same shape as Stewie's head. I was like it is. No, there's like Peter Griffin has a blinking thing doesn't he?

[00:39:26] It was really reminding me of Family Guy. I don't like to admit how much of Family Guy that I know but Family Guy is always silly which are not meg coded and all. What's the other show that you compared to Family Guy in this room? Pepper Pig?

[00:39:44] Yes it was because of the family unit. Yeah and the big fat dad. This is my fat dad bro look at him. Wagwan, man's pepper big still. This is my young D. George. Pepper Pig as a road man. Road man. I want road man Dora the explorer.

[00:40:04] So I'm going to get a little bit of a little bit of a natural up in here. Right listen to this. I know well you might have something to contribute. So I found myself down a sort of child education theory rabbit hole right? Of course she did.

[00:40:24] Bruno Albuquerque who is a child linguistic. You know I should have involved my mum more in this episode. You did ring her? Yes. So he has coined something called the Dora effect and I watched a video of his where he's talking about display questions versus referential

[00:40:46] questions. So display questions are questions asked in the classroom where the teacher obviously knows the answer. Where is this book? They can see the book there and the child depending on how they are actually know whether or not they're being tested because the child can see

[00:41:08] that the adult knows the answer to what they're asking. And a referential question is what did you think about this character? So he was arguing that a display question is not that useful they're useful up to a point I might actually

[00:41:26] put a little clip of this video in there. One of my friends I sent her the article and she said that while she was talking to her family about it and her daughter replied mom I think Dora is blind and then she left like because how come

[00:41:54] Dora doesn't see the dog at the end of the path? How can Dora see a haposo hiding behind the bush? He's obviously there. And then I thought to myself do our students get the same feeling the same vibe from us as if we're either blind or that we're

[00:42:22] constantly testing them every time and I don't mean to say that display questions are not important quite the opposite display questions are very very important for example the first question there is I've done my homework talking about the pastor the president that's a concept

[00:42:42] checking question right we're checking concepts we're checking if students understood the concept of present perfect in this sentence in this case so I believe it is very important right we have to know if our students understood what we're teaching or not right but I believe that if

[00:43:04] our lessons are dominated by these kinds of questions interaction that students will have in the class will feel very inauthentic. So I mean it probably kind of depends on the age of the child watching if you were like three I don't think that's going to bother you

[00:43:22] but it was interesting to know because if you're young enough what she's asking you is like for example if you're old enough to know what a cow is right she's going to say can you see a cow or which one is the cow and they're going to go

[00:43:40] oh why are you asking are you blind if you're young enough to not know what a cow is teaching you what a cow is so it serves a purpose if you're of a certain age if you go oh is there a cow behind me and you go yes

[00:43:54] because I recognize that as a thing then you're learning what that thing is it's also an interesting test of the ability to discern intentionality of questions because if you're there's like sort of there's sort of like three age groups here

[00:44:10] where there's one where you don't know what a cow is yeah and then there's one where you know what a cow is you don't know why she's asking you this question you think she's dumb and then there's a third group where

[00:44:24] you know what a cow is and you know why she's asking you this question yeah because you're now cognitively aware enough to go oh this is this situation is set up to test me yeah I think there's another very specific age group that finds it hilarious

[00:44:40] to answer the questions wrong like young adults oh I don't know like I was asking my colleague today because I just dropped into work because I just do that on my days off now I live like 10 minutes away from my work

[00:44:54] I said what does anyone have any opinions about Dora the Explorer and my colleague we cast a narrow net my colleague who's German like it's worldwide it's a huge global thing she said when she was a kid her and her brother would just kill themselves

[00:45:10] laughing answering the wrong question answering the wrong answers that would be falling into the third group because you know why they're doing it you know what a cow is and you're having fun blatantly ignoring all of that yeah yeah

[00:46:11] that's the three come on let's keep singing I want to go on I want to take us on a bit of a tangent now if that's okay the whole click and point educational game right I the reason I called my mum today is not not just because

[00:46:27] I love her but because there were two specific CD-ROMs that I played constantly when I was a kid um one was a dinosaur based like all the characters were dinosaurs and it was called Dan and Wizzow or something like that and it had like it was full of

[00:46:47] educational mini games another one was called Reader Rabbit and Reader Rabbit is a huge um franchise of I mean it doesn't exist anymore I think you can still play it online but it was a whole bunch of CD-ROMs that was like Reader Rabbit and Maths Rabbit

[00:47:09] and it was just a whole library of CD-ROMs in the early 2000s with mini games that were designed to teach preschoolers how to think kind of so like unbelievably basic things and I absolutely loved it and when I was supposed to be researching Dora today I was actually

[00:47:33] just scrolling and scrolling through 2000s CD-ROMs for preschoolers to try and get the name of this this thing that I haven't thought about for about 20 years and I called my mum and I was expecting her to say oh that was an annoying thing

[00:47:53] and she said yeah it was really good I found the games fun it was excellent and I sent her some pictures of Reader Rabbit and I was like I think that's what this is yes that was it

[00:48:05] and I think she's going to have a look in the house and see if we still have it but we had Brain Academy on the DS Lite which my cousins have on the Switch and actually like I really enjoyed those games my parents really enjoyed those games

[00:48:21] I loved Big Brain Academy that was so fun getting that the Pentagon grading system I remember it well and then we also had like Disney sort of scholastic teaching you how to do things like we had a Lion King Touch Typing yeah like Secretarial Skills for preschoolers

[00:48:43] Touch Typing is a really useful skill that you may develop over time but if you start learning it young it's easier both my parents are incredible touch typers and they knew that it would be useful for us like if you can touch type an essay

[00:48:59] it's helpful it's going to go faster right and it was like a log with all the different keys and then it was Wackermole Timon and Pumba when they came through any of the particular keys that was quite violent well you didn't like they would just disappear

[00:49:15] so it was a kind of like a leapfrog learning tablet but Disney oh no no it was a CD-ROM you put it into a computer and you yeah oh interesting Meg did you play any CD-ROMs I played the shit out of all the Barbie ones

[00:49:31] it wasn't the Sims then I don't remember Spool I lost some of my expansion packs Sims discs and it was like owned by the fucking world for me I was like no I can't have lost Sims 2 pets what because you had to use the most recent

[00:49:49] disc to play it like you can just use a different older one unless it was an expansion pack a stuff pack an expansion pack you had to use the disc but a stuff pack you couldn't use to play with yeah I do encourage you to have like

[00:50:05] if you remember playing any sort of educational CD-ROM as a child it probably was Reader Rabbit because apparently it's just quite a massive franchise and the sound effects when you've got something right or went through a door or whatever it's like embedded into my brain and just

[00:50:23] give it a google because I do feel like a lot of you might have played it it was like early learning center kind of shit and I'm so pro learning games I like because if they're done well they're actually really fun and like

[00:50:39] you I don't think you're tricking the kid but like you're sort of tricking the kid they're like oh I'm playing a video game but it's pure learning I just think I really rate them I think they're an excellent thing to exist

[00:50:53] well as I was losing my mind trying to find the name of this thing I actually came across because okay so okay reboot just give me a second I was so the characters are obviously the rabbit and there's a lion in it and there's a mouse

[00:51:13] in it and it's just animal characters that are teaching you how to do these identifying three letter words and as I was searching for this the name of this particular thing I did find myself on DeviantArt okay now I'm friends with a couple of fairies so I'm not

[00:51:35] going to say that fairies ruin everything you don't have to be a fairy I heard fairy and I was like wow I'm not I'm not going to like slander any fairies because they're genuinely not doing any harm but like they're keeping commission artists alive they are exactly

[00:51:53] but it they don't ruin everything but they did ruin this DeviantArt wow no they ruined the learner rabbit stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah say map I already just gave me a really I actually don't think they're that bad they're nice it's very spicy right characters

[00:52:38] nothing much to say about any of them you have to say swipe or no swiping say it with us swiping swipe or no swiping swipe or no swiping oh man I think the map looks like a blunt he really does like he bends over and it's

[00:53:00] like oh my god is she going to smoke that yeah yeah and then you got back back how is a backpack a character they're not characters there is a fox called swiper so he is a character that basically provides some inciting incidents

[00:53:20] yeah so he will take an item and they've got to get it back basically so he is like the closest the show comes to an antagonist and at first the Nickelodeon did not want swiper to be involved because it was like bad role models but the

[00:53:38] the team were like no we need him because he actually makes things happen yeah so they kept swiper so because Dora the explorer is one of the world's biggest media franchises would you like to hear wikipedia's list of the highest franchises the highest grossing

[00:53:58] franchises yeah can I guess yes you can yes Avengers Avengers Marvel Cinematic Universe does not appear until the second tier which is 20 to 50 billion so shit okay so the 50 plus billion Transformers I don't know but guess what in what guess what's in the 50 plus billion

[00:54:24] the two that are in the 50 plus billion is Dora no no no are they kids or adults they're both kids actually most of these are for kids the vast majority of in this list going from kids are such a marketing yeah going from 50 billion to the lowest one

[00:54:46] that they've got on here is I think it's 2 to 4 billion frozen I don't think frozen's on there I know that it's fairly recent compared to some of these yeah but it's got one of the highest box offices ever Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles no you know what

[00:55:06] Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I always I yeah so in the 50 billion what does it begin with Peppa Pig no Pirates no I know because that's one of the highest the most expensive I can ever Pokemon oh I wasn't finished guess it

[00:55:32] so okay so Pokemon is the top one and then just under that so that's 88 billion then there's quite a jump at 52.2 billion what does it begin with M we're gonna kick yourselves M and we're gonna kick ourselves is it western or is it Asian it's western right

[00:55:56] it's American to be specific M American massive media conglomerate massive massive character begins with M and it's American animated yes I mean it's easy for me to say that it's easy because I'm looking at it is it humanoid no it's not well it's humanoid but it's

[00:56:20] not a human it's anthropomorphic can we have another cause I already assumed that he has a girlfriend that is the same species as him so it's someone and friends it's someone and friends that is this franchise recently came into public domain one of his films I'm Mickey

[00:56:42] fuck me of course Mickey mouse and friends is quite like about over 30 billion down from Pokemon I mean it's cause also Pokemon the sheer quantity of stuff that Pokemon has that's true and has been doing for like 40 years although Mickey is like 100 years to be fair in the

[00:57:06] 20 to 50 billion you've got Winnie the Pooh you've got Star Wars then Disney Princesses which I assume Elsa is a part of then 1973 started in 1973 and Panman which is I believe a Japanese character he's a character that is filled with bean paste oh yeah

[00:57:32] like a red faced kind of pastry character you should be well into that Laura pastry and beans I really like red beans red bean paste yeah so that's anpanman so anpanman is above the wizarding world I suppose it's older yeah I suppose cause it's older

[00:57:54] but it's strange to think about isn't it that something that I have never heard of is a bigger franchise than Harry Potter the Japanese franchises know how to merchandise the ever loving fuck out of themselves from the get go the Harry Potter books came out

[00:58:14] and then the merchandise stuff came later that will have come out and then immediately those merchandise that's in the 70s as well then after Harry Potter is Barbie how high up is Hello Kitty on here I'll get to Hello Kitty then Marvel then Call of Duty fuck it

[00:58:34] games are so expensive Batman is underneath Call of Duty then it is Hello Kitty then Spider-Man then Transformers what's interesting is Batman on his own has made so much more money than any of the rest of the DC Universe so yeah still in the 20 to 50 billion category

[00:58:54] you've got cars and candy crush and both of those are below Transformers and Dungeon Fighter online wow Dungeon Fighter Online is more than cars now we're moving into 10 to 19 billion you've got Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles then Looney Tunes then Dora the Explorer back pack back pack back pack

[00:59:22] under Dora the Explorer you've got Pac-Man specifically the Lion King Pac-Man well because the Lion King is a part of that the Lion King stage because that's the highest grossing stage production ever by such a huge margin yeah it's 15.2 billion then Toy Story and then Peanuts

[00:59:42] which really surprised me no that doesn't surprise me they've got loads of merch loads of merch I've got most of it adults that are like big fans then Poor Patrol Avengers is under Poor Patrol Avengers isn't for kids oh then then you've got Frozen

[01:00:02] they have these like conglomerated and then also separated exactly because you've got Marvel and Avengers is separate to that Spider-Man is separate to that Space Invaders is under Frozen in the 5 to 9 billion category we've got Grand Theft Auto James Bond Dragon Ball Angry Birds

[01:00:26] and then Thomas and Friends which we never mentioned in our episode because I never thought to I didn't think it was you know a global phenomenon but apparently so so easily merchandise yeah and they've had so many shows and movies and stuff then Fortnight Jurassic Park Demon Slayer

[01:00:48] Super Sentai oh Power Rangers that's Power Rangers Mario Super Super Sentai Super sequences Super Sentai Super Metal Super Sentai Super Slayer Super Slayer Super Sentai Super Slayer Super Sentai I AM SOMEBOLY Okay we've got and Bob the Builder, they're all above five billion.

[01:01:25] And then the very last section, two to four billion, The Simpsons, Scooby-Doo, The Big Bang Theory, Seinfeld, Twilight, Mission Impossible, Strawberry Shortcake. Doesn't surprise me. What Strawberry Shortcake? Honestly, I thought she'd be higher. I did as well. Like above fucking Seinfeld. Above Seinfeld, yeah, that's so weird.

[01:01:47] What much dose is there for a Seinfeld? That's so strange! I had a Strawberry Shortcake. The Smurfs, Cabbage Patch Kid, G.I. Joe, Blues Clues, Beauty and the Beast, Hunger Games, Titanic, Brats, Astro Boy, Kerberz, Resident Evil, Indiana Jones, Madagascar, Captain America, Sailor Moon.

[01:02:13] Oh my God, Seinfeld is above Friends. Surely Friends should have gotten a boost when Netflix paid so much fucking money to have him. Yeah, yeah. And Neon Genesis Evangelion. Evangelion. Sorry, Evangelion just gets into that list. So yeah, that is the...

[01:02:31] Dora the Explorer wins out above a lot of things. It's in the second category. I wish we had 50 billion. Yeah, same. Back, back, back. You've got to come up with some bangers if you want. If you want 50 billion. Write some music, Laura. I wanted a mixer.

[01:02:51] You said no. You don't, you can't even read music. What would you do with a mixer? I can read three, four notes of music. Any thoughts about that list and Dora's place within it? I wish I had 50 billion is my main takeaway there. I guess kids like merch.

[01:03:10] Everyone likes merch. People like stuff. People like things to distract them and to buy things that keep them distracted, to decorate their house with the things that distract them. Sorry, I'm going to go off on an anti-capitalist tirade. A little deep, isn't it? People want distractions.

[01:03:26] Laura, you like merch. You fucking love that shit. Yeah, you're a big merch person. Not so much anymore. No, but you used to be. I just keep it forever. Yeah. I, yeah. A lot of stuff now that would be considered merch

[01:03:40] they have was bought for me by other people like presents and stuff. The thing that I have the most merch of, I do believe is it's either peanuts or rainbow. I know it's rainbow didn't make the list. Are you fucking surprised? No, I'm no, no, I'm not.

[01:04:00] But what do I have the most merch of? But if other people bought as much like Bungal George and Zippy stuff as I did, that would be top of the list. I don't really have any merch. Probably have the most like Studio Ghibli merch

[01:04:16] because I've got three big old totoro's around the house. Meg is seriously against tat. Yes. Meg hates stuff. We have a bunch of copies of Good Omens. Does that count? No, not really. OK. Yeah, I'm not a tap person. Am I?

[01:04:31] If you buy me something, it needs really to have a pub. It's quite difficult to shop for Meg sometimes. So what ended up happening for me is I bought her a series of decor. Like I just kept buying her decor. Yeah, I do feel for people sometimes

[01:04:44] because I have a lot of interest. So logically, it should be really easy to buy me a gift. But if you're going to buy me crap that's going to sit around and do nothing, I'd rather you bought me nothing. I'd rather have the money.

[01:04:59] Yeah, give me the money. I am fairly proud of that one. I got her like a wood carving of Star Trek. Yes, and also for Christmas, Elsie got me a David Shrigley plate that says, I heart peas, but instead of a heart, it's a pea. I pee peas.

[01:05:18] And I like David Shrigley. I really liked that. We all love David Shrigley. Everyone loves David Shrigley. Shriggers. Shriggers. Oh, shriggers. David call him. I very nearly got my dad a salt and pepper shaker that said cocaine and heroin. That's quite funny. I didn't know.

[01:05:34] That is quite funny. It would have been slightly difficult to be like if I put it with the rest of the presents at Christmas, how do you explain this to two nine year olds? Mm. Yeah. Just don't let them see it. Just don't let them see it. Yeah.

[01:05:46] And then I just wasn't organized enough. I didn't use to have a cup on the bottom of it said, I miss drugs. Yeah. Yeah. He still has it. I think you can identify the mainstays of popular culture or like children's pop culture by,

[01:06:02] you know, the balloons that are given out as prizes at fairgrounds. Yeah. So you've got Peppa Pig is one, Disney Princesses is one and Dora's one and those probably pull patrol now as well. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You do get Pokemon ones as well. Yeah. Yeah. And Pokemon.

[01:06:18] Well, Ben 10 had a real moment. Yeah. Ben 10 for sure. My cousins are obsessed with Pokemon. One of the main things with Pokemon probably why so much money is Pokemon cards. Yeah. They have hundreds, hundreds of Pokemon cards. Yeah. Yu-Gi-Oh!

[01:06:34] I remember it being really big for like a moment when I was younger and then it like died a pretty harsh death for about 15 years. It was on the list, so it wasn't at Yu-Gi-Oh! No? I thought it was. I don't remember everything I've just said.

[01:06:48] So this is for Laura. I read this and I didn't think it was that interesting, but I knew that Laura would find it interesting. So in 2011, lead paint used by a contract toy manufacturer in China prompted Mattel to issue recalls for nearly a million Dora toys.

[01:07:10] Also Sesame Street and Nickelodeon characters. In response, Nickelodeon stated they would introduce third party monitoring for all of its manufacturers of products under its brands. Laura, talk about your fascination with lead. When we were listing Laura's hobbies in interest,

[01:07:27] we forgot to list her main hobby, which is lead paint. I'm dead to buying lead. She loves, she just loves like eating it. I, I follow this person on Instagram called like detect lead Ian or something. I can't remember what his name is. Detect lead Ian.

[01:07:42] And he like goes around. That goes detect lead Ian again. He goes around like a lot of like thrift shops and then like Target, shit like that. This is in the States. And he's developed like a little lead testing thing that you can just very easily use yourself.

[01:08:02] You spray on it and there's a little torch. It is fucking horrendous how much shit has lead in it. And I'm not talking about thrift, so some of that's old and you should, if you're buying and eating off of stuff from thrift stores, you should for sure check

[01:08:16] because eating lead is horrendous for you obviously. But it's like new things that are for sale and Target like mugs, bowls for pets where there's just lead in it. Anything you buy off like she not a she in but like. Oh no, yeah.

[01:08:33] There was a hazardous level of lead to detected in multiple different items of children's clothing from she. See this is why I put this into my notes. I knew that Laura would have something to say. And I really know how much of a hobby person Laura is.

[01:08:49] She actually said to me and Meg, I'm getting really interested in like, I think I should buy a lead detector. Do you guys remember like when you first became aware of lead cause I do. And it was the Indiana Jones film

[01:09:04] where he gets in that fridge as a, in that miniature of it or that no, the, sorry, the, yeah, like then the bomb testing village and he gets in the fridge cause he knows a bomb is about to go off.

[01:09:14] And I remember watching it and saying to my mum, what the fuck is that going to do? Surely the, and she was like, oh no, it's lined with lead. Oh, what? And she was like, oh, lead protect you against that kind of thing.

[01:09:28] Oh, obviously just get in the fridge guy. No, I cannot say that I remember the first time I was made aware of lead. Oh, I don't. I'm sure that's not a common experience. I don't recall the first time I was made aware of it,

[01:09:47] but I remember getting X-rays when I was 13. I think and there were two nurses in there and they were wearing the lead that like the, they look a bit like bullet, chunky bullet, but best to have like a lead play in them to protect them from X-rays.

[01:10:06] Yeah, getting a head X-ray is insane. Like you go into a little machine that you have to stand in and then the nurse puts on a welding mask and fucking leaves the room. And it's like, excuse me? What? Yeah, cause we were in there for ages

[01:10:18] and I was like, okay, so you're wearing protection but they're being shot right at me. This is fine for me. Well, because you're having one X-ray. Yeah, she's in there all day. They run hundreds a day. No, yeah, for sure. I get it. But logically it makes sense.

[01:10:32] But when you're in there, it's like, oh, come back. Well, you're leaving the room and I'm all alone in here. I also think the Simpsons also talked about it at some point because, you know, he works in a nuclear power plant. He doesn't work in the lead fuck.

[01:10:45] No, just me. And then I remember I was older when I learned about when there was lead in the fuel. Unleaded. Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what the petrol used to be called that had lead in it. It got like, there's a specific three letter acronym

[01:11:02] for that fuel. And I remember learning that it only got banned like in the 80s or something. And I was like, um... And now what? All like petrol stations say, unleaded. Yeah, but like all of it's unleaded now. Because we learned that, oh, this kills people

[01:11:21] and makes us stupid. So why? Why? Because I was gonna keep making us stupid and if we don't ban it now, we'll never ban it because we'll be too stupid. I remember I was quite young when I watched this documentary about Victorian homes. And lead.

[01:11:35] And like how much lead was in Victorian homes. So you were quite young when you learned about lead in Victorian homes. Yes. So maybe that was the first time I learned about lead. What do you think is this generation's lead slash asbestos? Oh, microplastics.

[01:11:49] Yeah, but that's something we know about. I'm talking... We knew about lead. Oh really? Yeah. As we didn't know about asbestos like... We pretty quickly fucking learned about asbestos. Yeah. So what do you think is... When they were putting it in the insulation

[01:12:03] they weren't too sure about it but then they fucking figured it out. So what do you think is like our generations in a few years will be like, oh fuck that's awful. So there's one that's currently very recently got banned in Australia. It's a particular stone dust

[01:12:17] that is really common in kitchen countertops and stuff like that. In a similar way to asbestos causes these quite rare, completely untreatable cancers. And they're still really common in for kitchen materials. And it gives the people that work on them this specific kind of untreatable cancer.

[01:12:35] And it's probably just a couple more years before a lot more countries are gonna follow suit and ban it. All right. I think putting hot laptops on your balls you're not gonna get cancer from that. You're just gonna be briefly infertile. Yeah.

[01:12:50] Okay, so that's like a fun new birth control. Getting a hot tub. Getting a hot tub, yeah. Because of these, so many of these incidences of horrendous things being put into our homes, being made into wallpaper, being breathed in by people everywhere.

[01:13:10] There's so many more like safety precautions in place of how much you have to test stuff before it can go to a wide market that I don't think it's gonna happen on the same level as asbestos and lead. So series four and we are welcoming the return

[01:13:31] of our favorite feature, common sense media. They both just instantly grabbed their phones because I've sent them some... I was like, why is she doing an intro bit in the middle of the episode? Because it's common sense media time, baby.

[01:13:46] Are we all ready for some common sense media reviews? Yes. Okay. Auntie Rantz two stars, two stars to Dora. My two year old niece and three year old nephew who've watched this show and I have found it's a horrible TV program. Dora has terrible manners.

[01:14:10] She yells a lot at the audience. Her shirt comes up and sometimes shows her belly button. Does it? Zuzu X one star. Does not make sense. Multilingual at age four cannot locate things next to her. Shanook two stars, kids show that it's not for kids.

[01:14:31] Dora's early seasons were okay but now they put in all sorts of things like magic and scary trolls and angry bears. Why introduce fear and witchcraft to kids? Fear and witchcraft. As if all the fairy tales and all the Disney movies don't do the exact same thing.

[01:14:46] Zane J two stars. Bad. People a rock can't talk. A monkey doesn't wear boots. A fox can't steal. A map can't sing and you can't put everything in a backpack. Dora is a very bad show, okay? Because if there is a thief who tell them to go away

[01:15:03] and they're not gonna listen, okay? And Dora depends on almost every character in the story and that bad. Don't want your kids to grow up being spoiled, okay? Jorinza C two stars. Why? Why does this three or four year old wander around all day? Why?

[01:15:22] Why does she wear a shirt that's too small? Why? Why does she wander around all day? Why? Yeah, they didn't like that, did they? All the fear and witchcraft and belly buttons. Monkeys don't wear boots and the klepto fox. Hash. Hash de klepto. That's like no klepto.

[01:15:46] No klepto. Hi Dora, what's today's adventure? Today we continue our decades long search for parapata. A golden poison frog. Its skin is lately toxic and can cause full body paralysis. Can you say severe neurotoxicity? So in 2019, they made Dora the Explorer and the city of gold or something.

[01:16:16] The lost city of gold or something like that. And El Dorado. Yeah, I was going to say what's it for people. Well, you say that there is a sequel in the works that's called something like Dora the Explorer and the Search for Sol Dorado or something like that.

[01:16:32] I think I've got the title slightly wrong there but it's basically You just watched The Road to El Dorado. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. So the idea of this movie sounds kind of horrendous. It sounds really annoying. So she's a teenager now

[01:16:48] and she is going to school with Diego in the big city and all the other kids are like freaked out by her like weird naivety. And it seems like one of those sort of cash-ins that's kind of making fun of the original source material,

[01:17:07] like kind of poking fun at the childishness of it even though it is a TV show for kids. And I actually watched the trailer and I watched some clips for it and it looks really good and it got really good reviews. So it looks fun.

[01:17:25] It looks so fun. And poking fun of the original but in like a good natured way not in a haha that's shit kind of way. Yeah, like there's a scene right at the beginning where this is what I think what I wanted to talk about

[01:17:37] because I've seen a couple clips from it because I remember when it was coming out and this was one of the first clips they released and it's hysterical. It looks great. So she's a kid in the beginning and her and Diego like food has been served to them

[01:17:51] and they look at each other and they go delicio. So and then in this live action movie, this kid turns to the camera and says, can you say delicio? So and the parents look at each other like they're like glancing at each other

[01:18:08] and Evelyn, Gloria and Michael, Penya and they are looking at each other like shit is our kid fucking crazy. Yeah. And it's so funny but it's so sweet and lovely and there's a scene where they're going to school because it's an American high school

[01:18:24] they're going through a metal detector. Oh Jesus. And I know and she gets stopped and the police officer was like pulling things out of her bag and it's like a flare and a knife. Just be yourself. I knew here. What's your name? OK, young lady bag table.

[01:18:48] Hola soy Dora and this is backpack. Yeah. Like things like for survival. Dear God. And it's obviously like the purple backpack. And it's just nice cute little references like it should my instinct was to be like this is nasty like why are they making fun of it?

[01:19:10] But it was actually very sweet. And there's a song at the end, obviously. And the story is her and Diego and three friends that she finds out her parents are in trouble and so she has to go into the Amazonian jungle and save them and on the way

[01:19:25] they find out about this lost city and they're going to and there's a CGI monkey that she finds in the forest and they're like obviously this bitch is friends with this monkey. Yeah, this weird new kid at the school knows this monkey, but it's nice. It's fun.

[01:19:40] Save the rainforest cupcakes for charity. What happened to the rainforest? It's being destroyed. No, which one? Dainty, Yasuny, El Yunke, Ho, Donga, Skaku. All of them. Ranching and agriculture are some of the greatest threats facing the Amazon today. But I believe that with focus conservation

[01:20:00] and plant-based diets, we can help the rainforest start again. Who are you? Why are you smart? And what are you doing in my school? Dora, home school by professors. Parents misjudge me as irresponsible and lacking in socialization. Have a cupcake on the house. Thank you.

[01:20:21] Have a great day. You too. Bye. And the actress is brilliant. She doesn't play it in an annoying, like knowing kind of way. She's just so open and sweet and funny. And it's a great film or what I've seen of it. It looks really fun.

[01:20:40] I really love the heavily accented Spanish throughout the whole thing. It's like, Vamanos, let's go. Yeah. Oh, no one's sweet Spanish. But I think it's really funny. There's a song in it called The Pooh Song. Have you seen that clip?

[01:20:56] So it's like her and her friends going through the forest and her friend is like, Fuck, I need a shit. Yeah. It's like this other girl and these two guys, it's like Diego, another guy, this girl and Dora. And this girl's like, you guys go on ahead.

[01:21:12] I need to do something. And the guys are like, what? She's like, just something. Just go, go. And Dora looks at her like, I know what this is. Don't worry. It takes this girl off to one side with a spade

[01:21:27] and like start singing a song called The Pooh Song. And she's digging a hole, singing The Pooh Song. And this girl's looking at her like, okay, just fucking go away. So yeah, it looks like a fun little film.

[01:21:40] And unfortunately the sequel is going to be just on Paramount. So the first one got like a cinema release. The next one will not. Hooray! We did it! We did it! We did it! We did it! Yeah, the Weezy Mals! We did it! We did it! Hooray!

[01:22:10] We did it! We did it! We counted the coins! We did it! We did it! Yeah! We had such a great adventure today. What was your favorite part of the trip? I liked that too. Have we exhausted Dora? I don't think I've got anything left to say,

[01:22:48] but I can definitely see the merits of it even if I found it a little bit insipid. Grating. Oh, it was horrible to watch. It's ugly. It's jarring. It's ugly. What else to say? I didn't watch it as a kid.

[01:23:03] I definitely could have because I was two when it started, right? But I never did Spanish, so I never watched it. The Dora and Friends Let's Go to the City or Into the City or whatever. That's even uglier that, you know,

[01:23:19] the animals in Barbie movies that have human eyes. That's what all of Dora looks like. They've all got very piercing eyes that don't change expression. That weasel from The Princess and the Poor but haunts me. I love the weasel from No, it's from Rapunzel. Oh, yeah. No, sorry.

[01:23:39] He's a pervert. He is. He's a pervert. Time, time, time. My mistress is ready for her beauty nap. Step to it, girl. Oh, allow me, mistress. So, yeah, it's an ugly show. It's a horrible show to listen to. I mean, the only...

[01:24:00] We don't hate it, but we just didn't enjoy it. I think it's... I love that it exists. I love the character of Dora and it does have a few moments every so often where there is just complete silence because she's asking the audience to...

[01:24:15] Yeah, which is just a bit weird. It is a bit weird, but it is one step up from Coco Mellon because you do get some respite from noise at some point. Yeah. So that's good. What's goodbye in Spanish? How do you know? Oh, yeah, of course.

[01:24:28] Sorry, I couldn't remember. So there you go. That's Dora. You voted for it. You got it. You got it. Thank you for joining us once again. We're back. Muchas gracias. Muchas gracias. Hasta luego. Shall we do the socials? I think we shall.

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[01:25:07] Yeah. But now I'm going to go stand outside. Yeah, let's go outside.