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[00:00:50] Adult content, be advised. Enjoy the episode. You know what they say, Elsie? Don't shit where you eat. Don't shit where you eat. You really shouldn't shit where you eat. Oh my goodness! Elsie's sick. She's sick. Yeah, right. How are we all doing this afternoon? Better than you.

[00:01:39] Elsie's poorly and she's not letting us forget it. In fact, she's been poorly for a few days now and we kept saying, oh, you're sick, you're sick. She's got a cough and is bunged up and she's been like, no, I'm not. I'm not. I've just got a cough.

[00:01:53] I'm not. I'm not. And then even yesterday she was like, my cough's gone and then this morning she sent a message to the group chat like, I'm just plain sick. We were like, we know. We've known for longer than you. How are you, Laura? Hot. Hot is hot.

[00:02:08] It is hot. It's hot. But I've had a good week progressing with things. Can you feel the fullness of time? How are you? Thank you. I did have to prompt them asking me that. So don't tell them. Fuck you guys, I suppose.

[00:02:27] Hey, sometimes you go, how are you both? And then you guys fucking talk about it. And you're like, how am I? And then I'm like... That happens a lot. Anyway, I had a mole removed from my leg yesterday. Oh, you did? Yeah.

[00:02:39] I'm old now because I've had a bit of my body biopsied. No, it's fine. I didn't really pass out on my way home though. Which wasn't great, but... I made her a smoothie when she got home. Yeah, she did. She made me a smoothie.

[00:02:54] She made me a smoothie. Yeah, we've been in a kind of fruit phase. Yeah, there's a lot of fruit in the house in a minute. There's two art to be eating vegetables. The cold food. The cold weather food. The cold weather food, yeah.

[00:03:05] I'm gonna have probably quiche for dinner. I've got an oven pizza I'm gonna eat. I had oven pizza yesterday. Did you? Yeah. Some of the most Meg-thick... She ordered a shop, like a shop. I wonder if the most Meg product ever was in there.

[00:03:19] Well, I did quite a tame normal shop and then, you know, 10 to 11 on Monday, which was 10 minutes before the cut off point for the amends. My brain went, You're hungry. And he added a quiche. He wanted a pizza. It was like a German selection of hams and cheeses.

[00:03:39] A quiche. A block of manche. Three limes. You know, a very Meg shop. Yeah. But a mop. And I'm gonna go scram those German meats. One of the things that we... Yeah, you had a meat and cheese sandwich. And by that, I mean, meat, cheese, meat. No bread.

[00:04:02] When me and my boyfriend go on holiday, one of the things that we do when we get there is we go to like generally the first thing we do is have a nap. And either before we get to the hotel or like after we've had this nap,

[00:04:17] we go to the shop, we buy a pack of, yeah, of continental mystery meat. We get into bed and we scram the fuck out of it. And that's a relationship. We are perfect for each other. See in this house, we've got a vegan, an omnivore,

[00:04:34] and I'm right in the middle and we all get along perfectly well. Why can't everyone do that? I used to be a vegetarian. She was pretty vegan. Right, yeah. Yeah. I still don't really eat that much meat to be fair. So...

[00:04:48] Except for when you order a selection of German meats. Yeah, when I'm gonna eat apart from my German selection of sausage, let me live. It's brat-first summer. Cheers. That's the cold open. I think people forget that we do all this sat-across leg to like children in a classroom.

[00:05:10] Oh, I don't do any of this course like that. No, she's splayed out right now. Yeah, try not to look at my vagina. Meg is sitting how one would sit on a chaise. Yeah. Yeah. You could draw her like one of your French girls

[00:05:25] if you were so inclined to make her less. It wouldn't be fair. It wouldn't be a very sexy French girl though. Why not? I've experienced it like how at the end of a PE lesson, boys sit on the astroturf. Yeah, yeah. Like not cross-legged like... Like a bisexual.

[00:05:43] Yeah, yeah. That is how all 12-year-old boys sit after a game around us. This is just how I imagine footballers sit for their debrief. Anyway, so what are we here to talk about today? The parties are your place. Bars to the pride. We smile on my face.

[00:06:05] Hike, hike, hike together. One, two, three, four. High-five. One, two, three, four. High-five. One, two, three, four. High-five. In the air, let's do it together. High-five. Last night we all did most of our watching for this week. And what did we watch everyone? High-five. High-five.

[00:06:33] And it was so good. We kept watching. Like, okay, Elsa's been out all day. You don't know this, but Laura... No, I had this conversation with her. Oh yeah, she came into the living room earlier and she was like, what is it about high-fives and mates?

[00:06:46] It's so enjoyable. I would have been happy to just keep watching it all night. Yeah. I don't know why it was so like entrancing. It's lovely. We kept being like, oh, we need to go to bed. Oh, just another one.

[00:06:59] I know that we're going to like get this like filmed and sorry, recorded and over with, but do you want to watch some tonight as well? Maybe. Maybe there's Love Island tonight. There's Love Island. Well, that was Love Island last night as well. Yeah, so true.

[00:07:45] The way that I would like to do this this week, and I know that we kind of change it up every week. We've never really got this down because it kind of changes from show to show. But I'm going to talk about the very,

[00:08:15] very brief production history of high-five because I don't think it's that interesting. And then I'm going to talk about the content very briefly because I want to move on to Laura has notes about the educational model that the show is based on

[00:08:31] and that is what interests me the most. So it was the invention, high five was the invention of Helena Harris who also worked on Bananas in Pajamas, another famous Australian kids TV show. And Posey Graham Evans. So they wanted basically a Wiggles for girls as well.

[00:08:53] So the Wiggles is you don't know what the Wiggles is. Is Wiggles for boys? Well, no, but it only had boys in it. Oh, OK. So the Wiggles were, I don't know if they actually had a TV show, but they were certainly like a pop group for children,

[00:09:07] like an educational pop group. One of Australia's biggest children's exports. And they pitched it to nine, which is a network in Australia. And it was picked up within days of the pitch. They were really, really keen to make it. So it was made by Endermal Australia,

[00:09:33] formerly known as Southern Star Group, Southern Star Production, Southern Star, Hanabar Bear Australia and Taft Hardy Group Pty Ltd. It was Australian's largest independent television production and distribution group. A lot of fingers in that pie. Yes, yes. So that's the production company that made it nine, Channel 9,

[00:09:53] or known simply as nine is an Australian commercial free-to-air television network. So it was Australian Free View Television. Is that interesting to anyone? I don't know. I don't think it is. Well, if they didn't know it before, they know it now. Yeah, I love knowing things.

[00:10:10] Well, so true. Laura absolutely loves knowing shit. I said that it was made by Endermal Australia, formerly known as Southern Star, Southern Star Productions, etc. Yes. But the original season with the original cast for the first, I don't know, something like 10 seasons,

[00:10:30] that was actually made by a production company called Kids Like Us and then it was bought. Incidentally, when that changeover happened, all of the original cast had been pretty much phased out and replaced at that point and they all kind of left.

[00:10:47] The first one left after, I think, eight years and the last one of the original cast. It's such an impressive run for an original cast. Eight years. The others left after 10. No, I know exactly. I was just going to say.

[00:11:03] That's just how that's so long for a kids TV show. Yeah, and also when this happened, Harris and Graham Evans, they also ended their involvement in the show. We didn't watch any with not the original. We did not. We are, yeah.

[00:11:20] So there did not seem to be any bad vibes surrounding any of this. They just felt like it was their time to leave. No worries. They've done it for like a decade and they met all their replacements. They shared tips with them. They shared costumes.

[00:11:37] There was like a proper handover. It received three Loki television awards, big TV awards in Australia. Loki? Yeah, for most, for outstanding children's program. It was showered in awards. In fact, it won ARIA Awards, which are massive Australian music.

[00:11:56] I was like a kids TV show in the UK winning a Brit. Like, I was listening to an interview with Kelly from the original cast and she said, I've got five ARIAs downstairs and I'm not even a musician. I'm not a singer really. Is there a what category?

[00:12:14] I don't know actually. That's a very good point. Because if there's a kids music category, that makes sense. Yeah. So that went from 1999 to 2011. So when I say the original show, I mean on that network, yes, different presenters over the 595 episodes that there was.

[00:12:38] But so that went, that was the original show. Then it was sold to Nick Jr. Reportedly due to Nines financial troubles. Nick Jr. made a spin-off called High Five House. I was hoping it was going to be High Six. Was there anything different about it?

[00:12:56] No, it was almost exactly the same. Again, that one awards too. Because it's a great show. The presenters had basically the exact same energy. They were even cast to look kind of the same. Then in 2017, Nine announced a renewed partnership with the High Five brand

[00:13:16] and they revived the show for another season. Again, it was almost exactly the same. It was the same length of season. It was only one, but it was quite a lot of episodes. Different presenters again and also was showered with awards. So it's pretty much been the same.

[00:13:36] Over the years, a few sections have been added and taken away. There's a puppet and like a new puppet involved at some point. We had a jet-jet must have gotten threadbare at some point. Yeah, exactly. That's been a little cun, honestly.

[00:13:54] So yeah, that is a brief history of what the show was. Also over the length of time that the original show was going on, they toured a lot. They also formed like a pop group for children that was beyond the show.

[00:14:13] So they toured Australia, Singapore, New Zealand and the UK. They really wanted to do America and they never did. America still had it because they had their own version but they simply didn't have time in the year because... They had to perform the show.

[00:14:33] Yeah, they would film for three months. They would tour for the rest of the year. They would film for two and a half hours a day and rehearse for the rest. They were together constantly for... Ten years. Ten years. I mean, I'll talk about like the relationships

[00:14:55] on and off the show in a little bit but they were kids. The youngest was 18, the oldest was 24 when they started and they were there for ten years and they worked so hard. They were exhausted but something that they have said, always, always said

[00:15:18] is that they loved each other and what kept them going was the energy that the kids gave them. They loved performing for the kids so much because it actually gave them energy to do it. Yeah. So yeah. I've been around energetic kids and let me tell you

[00:15:35] it did not spur me on at all. Well, quite clearly they're better people than you when we... Yeah. And me. It's quite amazing what they did. So that's a brief history of the show. I'm just going to quickly run down the content

[00:15:53] and then I'm going to hand over to Laura. Listen to my heartbeat Listen to my heartbeat Feel the thump and rhythm Listen to my heartbeat Listen to my heartbeat Dancing and spinning and feeling free Listen to my heartbeat Listen to my heartbeat Listen to my heartbeat

[00:16:19] Listen to my heartbeat Listen to my heartbeat Work it out It starts with a song of the week and the song will relate to various themes that are touched on for that set of episodes. So for example, there's a song called Heartbeat.

[00:16:39] It was all about being active and working out and that was used at the beginning and end of each episode for like a five episode run that was all about movement and sport. There's a song about rain and that was used at the beginning and end

[00:16:54] of a set of episodes about nature and being outside and that is how the series was kind of structured. Yeah. So we start the episode with all five members performing that in front of a studio audience of tiny children

[00:17:10] that are doing their little best to keep up with the dance moves. Or fucking zoning out. Yeah, or just zoning out. I mean, watching that audience of kids in the studio like trying to dance or not is so entertaining. They're so cute and they're all doing like

[00:17:29] some of them are doing a good job and some of them are not. But you know, it must have been a nightmare to control that set on those days, but there you go. And then we go to the individual segments.

[00:17:39] So each segment has one cast member in their individual set. They do sometimes get other cast members involved but not always. And sometimes there's a puppet. At the end of the episode, the cast all come back together again. One of them reads from a storybook

[00:17:56] and the others act out the story and then they sing the song again and that's the episode. And it's half an hour long, which is really quite long for something for tiny children. Hi, I'm Logan. Hi, I'm Charlie. Hi, I'm Kathleen. Hi, I'm Tim. Hi, I'm Kelly.

[00:18:13] And together, we're High Five! Each presenter takes a different way of learning and presenting and playing with that topic. So the sections are called as thus. Puzzles and patterns, which focuses on logical thinking and mathematics. Not in those explicit terms, but that's kind of the style

[00:18:36] of learning it's trying to use. That is presented by Kathleen, who is in a set made entirely of cupboards and a puppet called Jupjup who's always secretly jumping out of cupboards and... Cleptomania? Yeah, stealing things from her. And that forces her to solve problems.

[00:18:55] I've got some exercise cards. Hey, where did my exercise cards go? Ah, there they are. Hang on a second. Do these don't have any exercises on them? Jupjup! Well, let's have a look at the cards anyway. Okay, well this has a picture of some scissors on it.

[00:19:34] Hey, the bottom of these scissors look a bit like legs. Maybe I can make some scissors movements with my legs. Okay, um... Open, close. Open, close. Excellent, that can be my first exercise. Open, close. Open, close. Ah, toaster. I wonder... Mmm... The bread and the toaster.

[00:19:59] Well, that goes down and up. Down and up. That could be my second exercise. Down and up. Down and up. Wow, what a cool workout. And one, and two, and three, and four. And one, and two, and three, and four. It's Kathleen's exercise time. And I feel fine.

[00:20:27] Legs to the side. Move them up wide and jump up and down. Till toasty brown. Then count two for just like we did before. Ready? Ready? Who's ready? Musicality, that's presented by Tim. It's often him just like hitting things and making a noise and talking about various instruments.

[00:20:56] Mmm, cool water for Charlie's picnic. Mmm, bubbly water too. Hey, I like that sound. I didn't know watering a bottle could make such a great noise. Swish, swish, it's a water bottle shaker. Mmm, fancy cereal. Hey. Crunch, crunch. Cereal, that gives me a great idea, Kathleen.

[00:21:27] Do you have any leftover cereal? Mmm, lucky for you, I happen to have some leftover cereal box. Ta-da! Fantastic. I'm going to make some shakers, see? A cereal box shaker and a water bottle shaker. Excellent. Come on, shake it with me, Kathleen. Shake, shake, shake down low.

[00:21:47] Twist, twist, twist on the spot. Shake, shake, shake up high. Give it all you've got. Yeah! Shapes in Space is performed by Nathan and that's set in a set with like everyday objects and shapes and materials and boxes and Play-Doh and stuff like that.

[00:22:09] He's like interacting with a lot of things. Thought I might build my own pretend water tank today. So, ta-da! I'm Nathan the Plumber. I've got my tool belt on and my plumbing tools. Spinner and hammer. Well, I think I'm ready to go.

[00:22:28] Now I need to connect this water tank to this tap over here. I'm using some water pipes. Aha! Now these cylinders would make fantastic water pipes. There's a section all about linguistic and oral skills. Now, I had to read about this

[00:22:46] to know that it was about linguistics and oral skills because I couldn't pick up on that watching it but that's presented by Kelly and she's with a puppet called Chatterbox. So, she interacts with that puppet. Oh, look, Chatterbox! My hat is ringing wet!

[00:23:02] You're dressed from head to toe, Cal! My jacket's dripping wet and my hat is ringing wet. There's water everywhere! So many words for water The buckets and the words for rain I'm dripping wet, I'm ringing wet I'm drenched in soap and soggy So many words for water

[00:23:25] Let's sing them all again Dripping, ringing, soaking, drenched in soggy from the rain And the last section is called Body Move which is presented by Charlie. Don't tell me what to do! It's presented by Charlie. Bounce, bounce! I can bounce the ball while I run.

[00:23:47] Bounce, dribble, dribble, dribble which is really, really fun. Dribble, dribble. I can throw the ball up high Throw, catch, throw, catch Then it falls down from the sky Throw, catch, throw, catch I can kick the ball a long, long way Kick, kick, kick

[00:24:09] I think I'll kick some more today Kick, kick And kick, ah! That really did go a long, long way. So this one has no set dressing No props It's usually shorter than the others and it goes in between each section So it sort of summarises the section

[00:24:27] that's gone before by repeating the songs that might have appeared in that section and it basically just uses body language and dance to summarise the section we've seen Yes, exactly And sometimes they blend into each other so it's not strictly regimented so puzzles and patterns

[00:24:46] might talk about different sounds, for example even though it's not in the musicality section because it's more about the way that the thing is being presented Come on, let's do some dog exercises M1, M2, M3, M4 M1, M2, M3, M4 It's Dagi's exercise time And I feel fine

[00:25:12] Pause to the side Move them all wide Shake all around Make a rough sound Count to ten and do it all again What do you think, Doggy's out there? Shall we do it again? Yep, alright Yeah, the theory is that each child learns in a different way

[00:25:36] and each cast member has a specific segment within the show that targets a different aspect of learning Elena Harris, her idea was that each viewer would have a favourite cast member corresponding to their way of learning So the reason it is structured this way

[00:25:55] is because the show is based on Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences And when I read that I thought well, that makes sense to me but I don't know about Howard Gardner So Laura, hi What can you tell us about that? Right, so even in your explaining there

[00:26:17] I'm going to identify a key problem with how Howard Gardner's theory gets applied in learning environments because it isn't learning styles That's not what it is I'll get into what learning styles are and how we probably know about learning styles from our time at primary school

[00:26:34] But yeah, so the theory of multiple intelligences which I think is really easy to kind of get a bit muddled with a lot of other very similar sounding theories and stuff So he proposes his theory of intelligence which breaks down into I'm going to read the full thing

[00:26:54] It's this like circle with eight sections and it's like Musical, music smart Bodily kinesthetic, body smart Interpersonal, people smart Verbal linguistic, word smart Logical mathematical, logic smart Naturalistic, nature smart Interpersonal, sorry, intrapersonal Self smart, visual spatial picture smart Right, but it's widely penned

[00:27:23] Like his theory is massively debunked It's called like a neuro myth by some psychologists My god, when? So he started his writing about his theory in the 70s So his perspective renders that any interest or ability can be redefined as an intelligence

[00:27:40] which sort of is impossible to test and renders it kind of mute He thought... Moot Yeah Render it moot Yeah, that's why he said Moot Why he said moot? Okay, well It renders it very quiet So he stated the intelligence as a biophysical potential

[00:28:04] to process information that can be activated in a cultural setting to solve problems or create products that are of value in a culture Which is From my perspective, kind of just a little bit meaningless A little bit Because he... Why is it meaningless? Just because it's so general

[00:28:24] and so broad that it doesn't really mean much I was talking about this earlier because I found my second year lecture about intelligence and my notes on it and he's in here and psychologists hate him Don't like his theories He also doesn't respond to them very well

[00:28:43] like criticism, he doesn't respond well So psychologists said it's made up of a bunch of hunches and opinions Uniquely devoid of psychometric or other quantitative evidence Oh wow, okay So he was just saying shit Kinda So like it's not learning styles I think I said that

[00:29:07] So it proposes a differentiation of intelligence into specific intelligences rather than defining intelligence as a single quantity So the issue there is in his theory being music smart does not translate to being smart it only is music smart When what is more evidence based

[00:29:31] is when you are music smart you tend to also be other things smart because it's a general process or at least the traditional definition of intelligence is a general process where you're good at one thing and you're naturally quite good at other things as well That makes sense

[00:29:47] To be good at playing the drums you have to be quite good at maths Kinda that kinda thing So he really narrows it and places more emphasis He overemphasizes the domains rather than the general overall process So mind you traditional intelligence thinking overemphasizes the process

[00:30:07] and under emphasizes the domains So there's problems both ways I don't think there's no value in his theories and you can kinda see how it plays out in the show their whole nature one helping with nature smart which is about how education like schools

[00:30:23] misinterpreted his theories too much and applied it in ways that he didn't like and he didn't agree with and conflated it way too much with learning styles right? Decisive also So learning styles because this is what I was looking for in the show a little bit

[00:30:39] and I think the show I think conflates it as well cause they are trying So what I did at primary school I remember doing this which is No idea value added cash So it's a model put forward by Bob and colleagues

[00:30:59] which is the three styles of learning visual modality auditory modality and kinesthetic modality so you learn by looking, by listening by doing and I remember in year 5 we were given like a quiz to see what kind of learner we are I kinda remember that as well

[00:31:15] I remember thinking well I just do the lessons Well here's the thing that's also been widely debunked I don't remember ever doing anything like that and it took me till university to realise as I am not a visual learner in like any way Well that makes sense

[00:31:35] I forget a text as soon as I've sent it and it literally took me till then writing things out over and over is just not doing anything for me It would have given me a quiz when I was a kid but like even if they did

[00:31:49] at least might have thought about it Yeah no that's true and I remember doing this quiz and thinking like a bit of all of them please I think that will all help to be honest Part of the problem with this is unless you structure your educational delivery

[00:32:05] for each individual child it doesn't matter because there's no children aren't going to be one single method of learning because different subjects firstly you can't teach fucking simultaneous equations kinesthetically right you can't but it's also like you have to create tests that very very concretely derived kids into

[00:32:31] learning way A learning way B and then put them in those classes or you have an educational system designed for one child and then like you tailor it for each one but you can't do like that just doesn't exist there's not the resources

[00:32:45] in state schools to do that right you'd have to homeschool your kid to get that So talk a bit about how the show fits into this I think it sorry to ask you a question and then completely cut you off I think the show is good

[00:33:03] Yeah yeah no I'm so glad you interrupted me it's a sightful piece of knowledge there sorry Lord just to cut you off I think the show is good I think he's got a lot of variation a lot of good ways of I don't I'm unwell go on

[00:33:25] I think it takes these intelligences that Gardner came up with and applies to its narrow sort of topic structure that they do quite well it's just a shame the theoretical foundation for this is flawed Well I think because you're doing it on a basic level

[00:33:49] for primary school children it's the basic thing that is being said here is people are good at different things people learn in different ways and when you're not actually it's not an experiment is it it works well in the sense of adding variety and catering to everybody

[00:34:11] so at that basic level it's never going to be harmful in any way no no no 100% like they're not because this isn't a school this isn't structuring and changing society to fit a flawed theory it's a TV show that is using a fairly diverse model

[00:34:29] of intelligence to apply to its topics which I think is good because like how frequently do you see nature smart being applied in kids TV like quite actively trying to go for each of the different areas I think it's good in that sense

[00:34:43] it's just a shame the theory sucks and Gardner is a bit of a whiny bitch Divergent tried to do this what fashion were you in? some amity ass shit over here no I think I don't remember what amity was the farmers the nature smart people

[00:35:05] yes they were the hippies I was in Cunder I think that's clever that's honest that's right an erudite was clever an abdication was selfless and then Dauntless was brave fuck it yeah, thick Dauntless was BTEC PE I'm so sorry if you did BTEC PE

[00:35:31] honestly you're winning at life imagine being someone that was able to do that I couldn't do BTEC PE I had to do English Literature I'd much rather have done BTEC PE if I could have been able to do it people make fun of BTEC sports

[00:35:47] but like they're the happiest people you're my number one you're my number one wow I'll take you in my heart you're my... I will say sorry to go back to psychology I don't think this is a great show for actually learning I don't think pure learning happens

[00:36:46] well I don't know if it was for learning I think it was more of like introducing children into being more curious about their surroundings and being more confident and bringing them out of themselves and being more curious about the world which is educational in a way

[00:37:08] I mean how much learning can you do when you're four because it is just seeing things colors and shapes when I was reading this section on their Wikipedia page it has that educational theory and then we went to watch it and I was like learning this is

[00:37:24] showing off my linguistic skills there learning wow that's a toy bulldozer must belong to chats hey chats are you at home sounds like she's at home hi chat hi chat you're playing with my cat your cat? where? where's your cat? you're holding it

[00:37:50] yep I call him cat for sure he's really a caterpillar a caterpillar are you sure? quite sure look it even says caterpillar on the side oh yeah it does too cat earth, pill ah caterpillar and I always thought it was a bulldozer you know for moving

[00:38:14] earth and soil it is a bulldozer cow but it's also called a caterpillar maybe it's called a caterpillar because of the way it crawls along the ground actually before we talk about, before we go on I messaged my mum a few days ago because

[00:38:34] we watched, we had a DVD of this as kids me and my brother and sister and I know that my mum and dad saw quite a lot of it and I had a memory of them enjoying it and they were both looking at me

[00:38:52] so ok yeah my dad really fancied Charlie so and then we started watching it he's got that DVD don't do that DVD it's burned out don't be disgusting, we don't have a DVD player so we were watching it last night and we were like oh my god

[00:39:14] she fancied Charlie as well she's so fit I actually think of all the people that is the most acceptable one for him to fancy because she does look a bit like your mum I think anyway that'll make my mum's day for you to say that

[00:39:32] I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying she'll be delighted with that like in my head your mum's cute and she bounces around so well my dad fancied a member and he insists that she looks like my mum none of us can see it but it's nice isn't it

[00:39:48] I'm gonna ask my boyfriend to start every time he fancies somebody he has to say that she looks like he's gonna have to start convincing me that he thinks Margot Robbie looks like me which he doesn't I'm laughing because you're so much hotter oh that's not true

[00:40:06] but thanks I'm not laughing because it's pretend you bitch so I messaged my mum I said what do you remember about am I high this is what she said Australian attractive Charlie jump jump and then she said one of the boys had a perm

[00:40:34] and then she said did the boys wear really short shorts and I knew she would mention Charlie I knew she would mention what she called attractive Charlie have you considered that maybe they fancied her together no but it's possible it brings a couple together it does isn't it

[00:40:56] I said yes you're right jump jump was the name of the puppet that jumped out from the wall and stole things she's wrong the boys did not wear short shorts but she was like oh I remember those boys were in short shorts she rewritten the memory

[00:41:12] because she wants to remember short shorts I think that's what's happened because given the vibe of the show and the vibe of those people what she's done is she's thought about the cast and imagined them how they should be also just like Australians generally right

[00:41:28] it just makes sense I can see why she's put that in there but then she did say not that it matters but the girls were all so much more attractive than the boys which I think is really doing the boys a disservice I don't think that's fair

[00:41:44] they were all beautiful shiny young Australians shiny happy people shiny young Australians shiny happy people exactly then a little bit later on I got a message from her and she said dad only remembers Charlie the cast let's talk about the cast I'll go through each one

[00:42:10] and then we can talk about our experience of watching it last night what are you gonna say Meg? when should it's birthday? it was this week it's gone oh you should have sent him a card with Charlie on it

[00:42:26] no no you should have sent him a cardboard cut out maybe I still will I don't know Christmas maybe well they get or they used to get us chocolate yeah well they still do Megsbum sends us chocolate I'm talking about your parents

[00:42:40] yes they did also get us chocolate sorry everyone right Kelly Crawford when the show started they were looking for 18 to 22 year olds she auditioned anyway and she got lucky sorry she didn't get lucky she was very talented lady she was chosen rightfully

[00:43:32] so she was in a band called Teen Queens in 1991 so that was a TV show about a band set in the 60s and it did covers of 60 songs they've got a really good version of Be My Baby by the Ronettes then they released a single

[00:43:48] it did really well and they decided the TV show isn't doing as well as this single let's just make them a band which she was kind of nervous about because she's like I'm an actor not a singer but they were a band for a while she is now

[00:44:04] she was featured in a Racy Ralph cover story following her exit from MI5 a lot of people are very unhappy with her for that exit from what? you said MI5 did I? sorry I think I did that the other day as well again

[00:44:26] how many times can I say that I'm very unwell sorry I didn't realise you were stupid do you want us to leave in mistakes else? no right she is now a freelance TV actor and voiceover artist Kathleen De Leon Jones 21 when she started

[00:44:46] there's not that much to say about her to be honest she married Daniel Jones from Savage Garden that's cool Nathan Foley now he was 19 when he started on his mother's side he is Ewan so the Ewan people are indigenous Australian people he has been in

[00:45:10] bands since he was 10 he has been in a bunch of different genre bands big old musical theatre performer brilliant dancer, brilliant singer just like a general all-round performer he's done cruises, he's done talent shows still doing music so in 2019 he auditioned for The Voice

[00:45:30] was eliminated in the first knockout rounds in Australia they had their own show called The Problem Like Maria it was a game show it was a talent show where they chose the next it was like X Factor but the prize was being in a western musical

[00:45:50] so they were all competing for a role is that from the sound of music? yeah so that was from Maria they did over the rainbow and that was the Dorothy one so he was in Australia's version and it was called I Will Survive

[00:46:04] and it was for Priscilla Queen of the Desert he was in the top 3 for that his 7th studio album called Hurricane came out in 2022 he's the one with a perm came as a shock to me not to Laura who saw right through him but he's straight

[00:46:24] and what's wrong with that? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being straight I don't want anyone to think that listen, listen, Elsie's straight and there's nothing wrong with being straight I'm just saying why is Nathan Foley from Hey you know MI5 is one of the biggest

[00:46:44] hires of gay people in the UK I know, mad innit? so who else? Tim Harding he was 20 when it started he's a multi-talented musician and instrumentalist same time as everyone else but he left because he was riding a motorcycle and a bunch of his toes

[00:47:06] I thought you were going to say on the show and I'm like Jesus fucking Christ how he broke his back and some toes in a motorcycle accident this is why you shouldn't ride motorcycles they're so dangerous but presumably he's fine because he's a keen surfer oh yeah

[00:47:22] he looks like he surfs yeah he does he does look like he surfs and he also voices jump jump ohhhh that kind of makes some sense I don't know how he does that voice but Charlie Robinson the one by Dad Fanzis was 18 when she started on Hi5

[00:47:46] she now presents a bunch of Australian TV shows radio shows she's a presenter and Kelly and Nathan started dating in 2002 they were engaged to be married in 2005 the engagement was called off they both married different people how soon after hasn't she been married a few times

[00:48:10] and didn't one of her partners die she was married to her wife for 10 years she got married in 2008 and he died in 2018 that's very sad I think she's with someone now I hope she's happy she's clearly having no problem finding people well I was watching

[00:48:34] a lot of the information that I'm relaying to you I got from a podcast called Purple Road which is one of the Barney actors interviewing kids TV stars and she looks brilliant they all look great still do you know what's very popular in Australia sunscreen

[00:48:56] I think I might lie here in the sun and have a rest but just then Molly's good friend Chloe the crab crawled out from under a rock Molly are you wearing sunscreen no because it's not beautiful and you know how I want to look beautiful all the time

[00:49:12] but you've got to wear sunscreen but you don't wear any well I'm a crab I've got a suit that protects me from the sun all the time see she just looks great and she looks like she's doing really well that made me very happy

[00:49:28] in fact I've watched interviews with all of them and they all just look back on it with such fondness exhaustion and fondness exhaustion and fondness the casting process went like this they asked for musical theatre people and Kelly said that she walked past a queue of like 100 people

[00:49:48] and she knew she was too old as well and she was a musical theatre person and they were all preparing their musical theatre you miss all the shots you don't take exactly and she was like walking past people that were preparing musical theatre songs to audition with

[00:50:04] she auditioned with Borderline by Beyonce and they were like have you prepared a dance and she was like I was just going to dance along with the track that is exactly the kind of energy we want on this show and they were

[00:50:18] like 5 and they were sort of trying to pair everyone up and very 90s well exactly the manufactured bands and they got those 5 in a room and the reason that they cast those 5 is because they harmonised so beautifully their voices sounded like one voice

[00:50:36] Chris Harriet was the music person he composed all the songs so you know a fuck ton of songs like a lot of fucking songs there's like 8 songs in an episode like 9 to 5 episodes come on let's go step back and block arms down low Taekwondo Taekwondo

[00:51:26] ba ba ba blowing ba ba ba bubbles ba ba ba beautiful ba ba ba bubbles ba ba ba blowing ba ba ba bubbles ba ba ba beautiful ba ba ba bubbles a little pig was rolling in the muddy muck

[00:51:48] so lucky to be mucky but then he was stuck along came a duck cracking all around and said to the pig I'm helping out of the ground he was you know part of the auditions and he was like these guys they just blend so well

[00:52:04] no one's competing with each other they just sound excellent so that's why those 5 were cast and they were busy they worked so hard I mean I'm quoting Nathan directly here I was buggered they visited children's hospitals all the time they chored all over the place the music

[00:52:30] was it was commercially popular like the lyrics were for kids but it sounded like it could have been played on the radio yeah I've in my notes I've got a couple of different like little anecdotes but I want to hand over to

[00:52:48] you too because I've been doing so much talking and you really need to let your voice rest I know is it sexy or gross neither cheers that was a correct answer right do you want to start really enjoyed it yeah really good show

[00:53:08] yeah weirdly good I don't know why it was so entertaining oh we were sucked in I don't know if it was like I feel like it was our collective viewing of it that made it enjoyable oh yeah for sure if you're watching it on your own as an

[00:53:24] adult you might be a bit bored I'd love to know how much they got paid to do some of this shit yeah so explain this is a difficult one because in the making of this podcast now this is a podcast for adults and we've made comments about

[00:53:44] shows that are for children that are maybe not comments that should be heard by children my defense always is that children these days aren't watching the shows that we're talking about and this podcast isn't going to reach children's ears but or shouldn't shouldn't yeah but we get

[00:54:02] people get upset sometimes when we apply adult thinking yeah do you know what the most recent one people have hated is yes oh my goodness we posted a clip literally weeks ago now it was just a clip of rainbow and the video caption was posting rainbow for pride

[00:54:26] months and weeks ago when people are still commenting don't associate rainbow with gays for pride you've ruined my childhood it's like calm down it's also like of all the kids TV shows rainbow is kind of the makers knew what they were doing and they knew

[00:54:48] they knew what they were doing and I just want to say I don't give a fuck I don't give a fuck yeah fuck you actually if you're mad about it fuck you die mad you're going to be angry but cry more we've just got to be said

[00:55:08] fuck off we've not reached through history and tagged everything gay like we haven't done that yeah but even if I did what's wrong with that no I know I agree but it's also like it's just a video that we posted on Instagram

[00:55:24] people love to be mad at stuff why are you choosing to be mad at this surely it'd be so much nicer the first thing that I try to remind myself of is like people who are like this you've got beef with life there's something worse

[00:55:40] going on in your life that's made you like this and I feel sorry for you but also fuck you when I hate when people are like oh my god they won't clap they're such snowflakes you're the one commenting angrily on this video and I'm like

[00:56:00] what's so weird is that most of the time I don't even look at the comments and yeah I happen to see one one time and then now I keep going back to see if anyone's commented anything more homophobic on this video that I can you know, delete or

[00:56:16] respond to me and Laura spend a fair amount of time holding Meg back from replying things that might make our brand look mean if you've ever had a reply Meg, come on if you've ever had a reply to a comment that felt a bit

[00:56:38] I want to say passive aggressive but just aggressive active aggressive look if you're not commenting shit like that you're not getting a reply like that and also can I revise one of Meg's statements we do read your comments we do like we don't

[00:56:56] read comments from things that are weeks back no what I mean is we do but generally so many comments are coming through in a day I'm at work I'm not sat looking through the comments so a lot of homophobic comments will slip through the net and it was

[00:57:12] one comment that's now meant I have to keep going back and like deleting these comments because I reply into them because I don't want people to look at the comments and be like oh that's a homophobic comment and they've let it we're not going to let that lie

[00:57:28] we are obviously pro gay it's what happens when your content leaves your circle like it happens on the viral clips really yeah so we need to see I didn't know if we were going to talk about this so I say fuck it

[00:57:48] because this is part of the whole thing of course it is I'll tell you why we should talk about it because while we were watching last night and we were going back to replay bits as in like a god did we just see that right YouTube tells you

[00:58:04] the most replayed bits and the bits we were replaying what else was replaying so we're not the first people who've had these thoughts yeah so in the very first paragraph of high fives Wikipedia page it sparked controversy for what could be considered appropriate in kids TV

[00:58:28] so then I was primed to be mad because the main comment is that the adults in the show who basically act like their older siblings of the kids that are watching they don't talk down to anyone it's very natural their energy isn't too much it's not annoying it's

[00:58:52] perfectly pitched and the main comment is that they're dressed inappropriately and I was ready to be mad because even in their live shows and this is Australia they only have their arms and shoulders out yeah I mean and I was like ready to be like just because you

[00:59:12] fancy these people does not mean that what they're doing is obscene it's like everything for example everything that James McAvoy does in his CBB's bedtime stories all of that is appropriate for children my personal thoughts about that are not appropriate for children but it doesn't

[00:59:36] mean that what he's creating is bad right so I was ready to be mad about this and then we sat down to watch it meow hi I'm Charlie Cat looking for something to do actually I think there's a ball under my couch oh no ball

[01:00:00] but it did give my paws and legs a good stretch are you cats out there looking for your ball? no well hop to it bottoms up and stretch one paw forward and the other paw forward no ball I've got to find something else to do and

[01:00:41] I can see not the clothes not the clothes are fine in fact they're excellent I love some of the clothes some of the clothes are weird but a lot of them I love their plastic quarks 2,000 choppy hair and layers and I love it this is my general stance

[01:01:03] on comment like on this attitude towards things is you shouldn't be angry if someone for example watches Tots TV and goes haha maybe they're a threpple and you shouldn't be like oh you know you're taking something that's innocent and making it something that it's not

[01:01:21] you should be angry if people watch it see oh they could be a threpple their thought is disgusting and you should not show it to kids because adults might think that they're a threpple right that's what you should be mad about because we know that there is

[01:01:35] nothing inherently wrong with what's going on and what's making a little joke about it is people who are like you shouldn't be showing that on TV to kids it's like no you're the one that's taking this in the wrong way yeah it's like we were watching

[01:01:49] the charlie segments and well let's explain why we were finding these a little bit questionable also one reason is they do this in every segment but I feel like because hers has the least extra stuff going on it's the most extreme

[01:02:03] it all based on her and hers is the movement one so when they will they usually look directly into the camera and talk directly into the camera which is a little bit off balancing from normal telly right so that makes

[01:02:15] some of these scenes a little bit more intense than they need to be I want to preface everything we're about to say with we think she's fantastic she's brilliant and nothing she's doing is wrong and nothing she's doing is inappropriate

[01:02:29] or intentional I don't think any of this is intentional I think all of this is accidental looking at it through an adult lens and the mind's in the gutter so a lot of things it's very movement based often she's dressed as different types of animals

[01:02:45] there's one where she's dressed as a cat and she's like crawling about there's one where she dresses up here and she's rolling around in mud she does a lot of rolling around on the floor and if you're an adult and you're watching it like explicit

[01:03:05] moments where you can be like for someone that is fetish content yeah and there's a difference between watching it and having a laugh about it and watching a kids TV show and going look at how obscene this is and I think the second reaction says more about you

[01:03:23] mmm that's what I have to say about it a kid's not going to read anything into that because if a kid did that like a kid is pretending to be a cat that's totally fucking fine I mean they are going to grow up to be a hoower but

[01:03:37] I mean, you can't say that a five year old watching that is having a great time and there's nothing wrong with it and it makes it more entertaining for us and it's like just because you as an adult recognize that she is objectively gorgeous yeah yeah

[01:03:57] it doesn't mean anything so we were like honestly we were beside ourselves it was hysterical get some mates make a drinking game out of it not in a pervy way not in a pervy way maybe in a bit of a pervy way it was really funny

[01:04:17] the only scenario I could see where this would be a bit odd is if you are watching it with adults and there's a kid also watching it with you and the adults start laughing nothing I could just guarantee you we would not have brought this up

[01:04:33] if we hadn't noticed that everyone else was rewinding the same bits that we were and I really hope that that was in a we should have read the comments in a pure, that's very funny kind of way like we were doing yeah you disgusting freaks you filthy animals

[01:04:51] a pair of feet a bear pair of feet we love it with no shoes on we love it when we're bare we can wriggle our toes or tickle our soles skin we love to wear my feet love having a dance but what about we do some stretches now

[01:05:12] maybe some pointing and flexing you two point and flex point and flex right so we've covered that we've covered that now it's on YouTube for kids so there's no comments well just as well I think that's why I think it is just as well

[01:05:32] glad we got that over with so Kis Charlie is a radio presenter she does lots of interviews she was interviewing One Direction when they were like still One Direction and they were like babies they were massive yeah she was like oh my god it's One Direction

[01:05:52] and they were like oh my god it's Charlie cause you know it's global and everyone knows who they are well I was unaware of this show which is so weird cause they toured Singapore when I wasn't there 11 we're 25 and we spent last night watching it

[01:06:14] presumably they toured Singapore away before I got there so Kathleen the first person to leave after 8 years because she had a baby and she wanted to selfish right honestly so in the episode about babies she came back on the show so she was replaced by a woman called

[01:07:36] son another Filipino woman and she went onto son's section which was her section which was puzzles and patterns she better have come out of a cupboard but she had her baby she had her baby and the rest of the cast

[01:07:54] all came into the set and all of them sung a song to Kathleen's baby oh that's so cute I know we should watch that episode well someone special left this here for your baby Kathleen not sure who I wonder oh it's so good to see Mikaela today

[01:08:16] so beautiful little baby little one every day we're so glad that you are here little baby it's so good to see this little baby so sweet and deep hello hi guys well it's so good to see you look look here's little Mikaela she's beautiful Kathleen

[01:08:48] oh I'm a cougar she looks a little bit like you Kathleen yeah I only smaller look at we sing for Mikaela in the high five way yeah great idea little baby little one every day we're so glad that you are here little baby little one

[01:09:14] it's so good to see little Mikaela so sweet and dear oh thanks so much guys I think she loved our feet oh she did she wants to sing well guys look oh a little teddy bear oh with a little heart oh beautiful I wonder who left that there

[01:09:42] oh I think I know well thanks special someone and thanks so much guys for making little Mikaela feel so special so speaking of the live shows so in the early days Kelly and Tim were housemates and they were going to do a shopping centre show

[01:10:02] to sort of test it out the show had been airing for two weeks at that point so they were expecting a small audience on this morning Tim was really really unwell that doesn't really relate to the story it's just a detail probably worse to be honest but

[01:10:24] they oh I thought you were calling her a detail so they were at this mall and they were sort of underneath the escalators like doing their make up and stuff and Tim just went along to support basically and then someone came up to them

[01:10:42] and said we you've got quite a big audience out there we've closed down the shopping centre and we've shut off the escalators they were like what do you mean they were like yeah there's about 5000 people out there not much on in Australia

[01:10:58] it had been on TV for two weeks they never did another shopping centre it was arenas they were saying like they were often build in between ACDC and Kylie like the two other massive famous Australia acts it's ACDC Australia I did not know that

[01:11:22] well that means you didn't listen to our art attack episode where we discussed ACDC I forget another thing they did was they would because they would visit children's hospitals and because they weren't playing characters like the guy that played Barney

[01:11:40] he would do that and he would be in costume and he could sort of disconnect from that but when they went they were playing themselves so and the last thing a sick child wants is to see their favourite kids TV presenters crying

[01:11:56] so they would take it in turns to leave the room and compose themselves because they had to be themselves they were very professional so they did that throughout their whole career basically and in the live shows there was there was a kid that

[01:12:16] went to every single one of their live shows he had Down syndrome he started going when he was 8 so by the time they did their last one he was 18 and they would like request him to come backstage and they would talk to him about

[01:12:30] his new job and everything and they were like oh you got a job at Pizza Hut that's great so I'm hearing are they just really nice people yeah they are and in this interview with well they've all said this but especially in this long podcast episode with Kelly

[01:12:52] what she keeps going back to is the children it was amazing to do it for them Barney Kerry Stinson he said well he was 23 years old and he was doing that like hugging yourself motion that Barney is so famous for and at the time

[01:13:14] 23 years old he was feeling a bit silly then you watch thousands of children repeating it and having a great time doing it and you realise why it's not silly and you're happy to do it I have so nice I honestly cried at La Violet near the night

[01:13:32] it was the family episode where all the families were sad I have mad respect it's something that I know that I struggle with basically putting adult things aside and being okay with being silly like engaging with kids in play they don't give a fuck

[01:13:52] they don't think it's ridiculous that you're playing with them and their dolls they don't care because they're doing it they want you to join in but I haven't tried to do it in age so I don't know how it would go now

[01:14:06] but it's something that I found quite difficult to drop having to act mature and be fucking normal and just fully let go and be silly so I have mad respect for how they had to do that so much and they were so capable of it

[01:14:20] when I was born my uncle was 16 my uncle was kind of a bit no I'm not doing that I'm not doing silly things being a 16-17 year old about it and then one time my dad went into the kitchen at my grandma and granddad's house

[01:14:42] and my uncle was just there and I was sat in this chair at the table and he was just playing with me and my dad had caught him and he was like no no no I've seen you I've seen you doing it now see I used to like

[01:14:58] when we first got my cat I wasn't sure where that was going 2012 until recently I've never found myself able to do those like kid voices so in the first few years that we had my cat I would be speaking to him like a human it's called motherese

[01:15:16] is it interesting but I don't do that anymore and I remember one time he was sat on my lap and the phone rang and I went excuse me and I didn't even realise that I'd done that and then I went to answer the phone

[01:15:32] I was like wait a minute apparently my uncle has discovered the podcast and I don't know if he's listened to any yet but all my cousins were asking to listen and I was listening to him under no no circumstances not until they're like 17 years old yeah going back

[01:15:52] to the thing about not being embarrassed as a children's performer something that Arthur, a story Arthur tells me is that when we were young like I was when you're younger age gaps are bigger aren't they I said about the high five cast members

[01:16:10] in a kind of snarky way they must have no sense of embarrassment and Arthur said that he in that moment thought I was the coolest person ever and now I have so much respect for them I think they're the coolest people ever me too, so

[01:16:30] I would love to have that much fun every day of my life so Kelly said that like kids TV is at such a specific skill because you can't have an off day because the kids will know it has to be live singing always because the kids will know

[01:16:46] you have to it's such high energy you even need to practice when you can breathe in those you have to enjoy what you're doing or the kids will know like it's you cannot feel silly something I could use for a sculpture a mystery sculpture

[01:17:08] I was going to say a magical sculpture and I thought I better not say that there's a penis in here come on this thing's heavy okay it's not going to attack you Catherine don't worry what about all our lines it was all our lines damn it pardon

[01:17:30] how are you going I'm good how are you when I can't we get which voice to do how old are you Chats I'm I'm I'm I'm I've spent today collecting a few different sounds do you want to hear that's my dog oh sorry I looked across that's the

[01:17:58] hands on the ground and lift one leg up oh my god my pants just ripped you know there's nothing better than another take can I go back from the beginning because I reckon I was really crap what all feather white sorry um Danuta thought that

[01:18:24] are you supposed to laugh at the name I want to know the truck goes to me I've always done it I don't know I thought it worked well I'm just like Danuta go on tell her sorry Helena just had to be done should we talk about the bloopers

[01:18:40] oh yeah the bloopers were so good I imagine a like a crew member or something got this footage out of an archive and put it all together because it's all on YouTube but there is no way this was ever on the DVD

[01:18:54] I have to like I really really want to know the source of these fucking bloopers because they if they were on the DVD hero leaked them because they can't be on the DVDs because almost every single blooper has swearing yeah

[01:19:10] some of the bloopers have deeply inappropriate funny shit and sometimes it like so you're watching the person that is in the sketch and then a second camera turns around and you can see the other four members behind the camera rolling around laughing at them it looks so collaborative

[01:19:28] and so fun and they actually said that it was very collaborative because they all cared so much about it that they would help on the continuity and the moving of things so if they saw something wrong the cast members themselves would be like

[01:19:46] hang on a minute stop and fix it and in the live shows because they cared so much about it being the same for the kids they didn't have stagehands like moving their stuff they would do it all themselves they would move all the set and like

[01:20:02] sustain injuries from doing this and they never had any understudies because they really did not want to take a day off because they loved doing it so much and they didn't want the kids to be let down I've never loved anything so much

[01:20:16] that I didn't want a day off Laura loves a day off in fact she works so she can have days off don't we all the bloopers there's like maybe a swear word in each in each one in the ones with he was played by Tim he like plays

[01:20:40] like he's a proper actor and there is more get out of my face what is this fucking about I thought we were fucking professional there's more bleeping in those bloopers than there's actual words it's so good screw you screw you I don't need to put over this shit

[01:21:03] man open this shit okay I'm better than you I am a professional you listen to me I'm a professional not like this pinhead poor guy that comes over here all the time don't listen to him he's a wretch action too don't mess with me okay action

[01:21:26] jump jump you idiot there we go hi dummy yes can we fight this dummy oh bugger hey hey you're not supposed to look at me what's your problem get away bang sorry that was my fault and then you can see them working so well together it's so lovely

[01:21:56] I would say watch a couple episodes before you watch the bloopers because I think it really adds to the bloopers and it's strange because I I guess I must have watched it a lot as a kid because when we were watching it

[01:22:08] I was like oh my god I remember this sketch and you know how like sounds can embed themselves in your brain and if you hear a song you can just finish it me and Meg really remembered the in between little animations between each

[01:22:26] the bit with the body where it's like circle rectangle triangle circle circle rectangle square I really like it's not often that I'm able to say when we watch these but like either I have never seen it before I have no memory of it or I really remember it

[01:22:46] this is it's a jogged so many memories because I think I think it was my suggestion to do this because so many people had been requesting it and I was like let's just do it because people really want to hear it I was not expect I was like

[01:23:00] I remember the intro I don't know if I really watched it clearly I fucking watched the shit out of this show and I I can see why I liked it then and I can see why I like it now and some of the songs really are bops yeah

[01:23:18] listen to you hurt me there's so many good ones like it's very it really makes the case for Australia being allowed in Eurovision no it really does and I like what Nathan was saying in that interview we watched the day that the songs like

[01:23:38] are pop songs aside from the lyrics they'd be on the radio like if and he was like they're not like condescending in a way they're not it's not kids music it's just pop music that's not it's a bit spider it's just a normal

[01:23:54] I really enjoy dancing to it the parents probably enjoy listening to them and I fucking love some of them really good as for the we because you two brush your teeth together a little insight into our domestic else he locks us out the bathroom

[01:24:10] yeah I know because when I brush I've got an ugly mouth I brush my teeth like a monster I can't have people watching me brush my teeth it's ugly are you like mouth open letting it all run around your hand kind of I can't for the first half

[01:24:28] I do it in like a dainty like movie sort of way with my mouth closed with the toothbrush barely visible but then halfway through I can't maintain that and it's really ugly so I do I do it half and half and I just can't have people

[01:24:46] see the process we don't care we don't think you're ugly we don't think how you brush your teeth well you don't yet but like I'm never ever gonna judge someone on how they clean their mouth it's a lot of crevices

[01:25:00] there isn't really room for three people around that too there's a lot of crevices in your mouth you gotta do what you gotta do my cup is leaking slightly I'm just why is this such a thing on this podcast someone's period cup leaks I didn't I was so

[01:25:18] what you're gonna say it wasn't blood like I thought I'd leaked blood and I was like petrified she pissed herself no I was petrified of getting blood on the chair in the studio and I was like shit and also you guys took ages to fucking

[01:25:32] see my signal wait it actually wasn't ages it was about 30 seconds okay it just felt like ages that's a long time when you feel like you're bleeding when you're in fear anyway anyway that's for the dancing during the audition phase there was about 30 teenagers and they were in

[01:25:54] dance studio and they were learning one of the opening dances and Kelly said she turned to a guy next to her and she was like I'm not gonna be good at this so don't copy me and she was stood right at the back with this guy

[01:26:10] this guy was Tim she later learned and he was like it's fine it's for kids it was designed so that kids could do it and everyone else in the room was like trained I mean Nathan's a brilliant dancer he really puts his fucking heart and heart into it

[01:26:30] his ankles are so flexible oh my god don't try this at home I'm trying to even just remotely move my ankle like he doesn't like it he's just a brilliant singer, brilliant they all are but they were all like not class quickly but they were like trained dancers

[01:26:46] and Tim and Kelly were not and she said that when he was cast and she was like there with her back of the class friend she was just so relieved and like they were always the ones that took the longest to learn the dances

[01:27:02] they must have had to eat so much food he's so hungry the calories doing that show they must have burned at the end of the day you're like I need four dinners I'm so tired I know how hungry she was saying like with all the different crews

[01:27:22] like the touring people and the people on the tour bus and the filming crews and her four castmates when she left after ten years like she said she had to talk to someone about it because she was kind of grieving for it

[01:27:34] because it was like her entire life for ten years she said well it's kind of like if your family of near 100 people all died on one plane crash like you don't which is quite a dramatic way of saying it but she was like that is how it felt

[01:27:52] it was lost I mean you feel sad when you leave school and you don't see your friends every day also presumably she as an adult and doing this day in and day out for the number of hours they did you form even a closer bond

[01:28:06] than you do with schoolmates right yeah well they were saying they were told by producers like you don't have to be best friends so what they did early on was establish a kind of higher up not everyone is going to want to go to dinner all the time

[01:28:20] and they knew that and they respected that and so because they had that boundary in place it doesn't mean we don't like you it just means we're tired just as we have in this house but they went to dinner every night they went to dinner every night

[01:28:38] Nathan it's a little bit squishy we make it a bit bigger yeah sure okay you got it? make sure you clip it up okay sure done there we go hey cool cubby guys yeah can we come in secret cubby club handshake

[01:29:02] what? we have to do our secret cubby club handshake you have to do it before you go into the cubby it goes like this shake up shake down side bump turn it all around high five yeah now we can go into the cubby cool um uh Nathan

[01:29:24] this is a bit squishy can we make it a bit bigger? yeah I think so hey kill you got it there mate? clip it up good stuff better secret cubby club handshake there's a secret cubby club handshake sure is but first you'll have to put the cushion down

[01:29:50] oh okay okay it goes like this shake up shake down side bump turn it all around high five okay well that was fun can I come in now? sure go oh you come in there you go oh the cushion is coming I'll just put it out here then

[01:30:16] whoa come on Nathan guys can we make the cubby again please hey it's like that the lights are good still to this day all of them keep in touch they're still really good friends we go for years without seeing each other and Charlie was saying

[01:30:34] I saw Nathan underpass at train station it was like oh my god I love you they're siblings almost which is awkward for the ones that are engaged but you know it's horrible when two people have to ruin it for the rest of the day

[01:30:50] you know what they say Elsie don't shit where you eat don't shit where you eat and you really shouldn't shit where you eat in the same way that you shouldn't fuck your collie my brother down to his toilet is right next to the kitchen and he is so

[01:31:14] like stringent about shutting the door because you don't shit where you eat I mean ours is not and I'm still quite stringent quite stringent about shutting the door the toilet door no we have a policy in this house because the toilet doesn't have a lock

[01:31:28] yeah I fucking shut it Laura when I'm shitting I'll shut that door I don't care no no no I don't mean while you're shitting I just mean permanently have that door shut yeah I shut the door while you're booing we're close but what is so funny

[01:31:52] about our houses what you need to know is that our toilet door does not have a lock on it so it's always open unless someone is in the bathroom but what it does have on it is a life size poster of Rob Delaney go on Meg

[01:32:06] so if it's open it means no one's in it and if it's closed it means someone's in it and that works 99.9% of the time now there's been literally two or three times in the time we've worked here where one of us has something

[01:32:24] in our brain has just not woken up it's always in the morning and we have just opened the door to one of us doing a shit and it's happened to all three of us and we have been the ones who do it and it's

[01:32:38] I don't know why it happens because it's such a rule that you don't open the door if it's closed and yet I think the last time this happened to me it was Elsie and she opened the door and I went hey oh my god I'm so sorry

[01:32:50] every time I go and do it I don't clock that I'm not supposed to have done it until I'm done until I'm turning the door and you're like wait no there's someone in there something in your brain this feels yeah because you don't open it from the outside

[01:33:04] I never have no I have one it's um our flat has like a balcony outside the front door and the bathroom window like the balcony the bathroom window overlooks this balcony and one time Laura my boyfriend was playing silly boogers on me oh my god um

[01:33:28] at one point in the day Laura had um was it you or was it him that had taken a picture of me through the bathroom window while I was on the toilet and then later in the day Laura we teamed up to get back at me for something

[01:33:44] I don't know what and Laura took a picture of me through the bathroom window which is from above it's like behind your head and then Laura was like I'm not sure if it was a picture of me but it was a picture of me

[01:33:56] and it was a picture of me and it was a picture of me and it was a picture of me turning around like proper because he opens the door and he's like me looking up at the camera and him standing in the background looking really pleased with himself

[01:34:14] it's just such an invasion of privacy we should get along for that door um yeah there's only one lock in this entire house other than the front door it's on the shower room our toilet and our shower are separate and it's like thank god

[01:34:30] we call the bathroom the toilet room the rob room don't we because it's got lots of pictures of robs in it yeah there's a rob delaney on the back of the toilet door there's robin from Batman there's bob waterman and there's rob patterson

[01:34:44] I couldn't find so I've watched like interviews with all of them apart from tim because I couldn't actually find one but um yeah he's not I've not found anything of him talking about it but there's some videos on youtube of him with his guitar singing songs from

[01:35:02] um from high five with his four year old awww so they're supposedly singing the songs together but what it is it's him singing and her barely grasping the words but kind of standing next to him moving her mouth and and he looks the happiest I've ever seen

[01:35:26] a person look he's just playing his guitar looking at her singing the songs she's trying she doesn't even clock him looking at her um and there's a couple of those on youtube and the girls stand up and their voices are still brilliant they're also fantastic

[01:35:46] she's gonna shed a tear I'm not going to shed a tear I'm fine crying is perfectly fine it's too hot to cry right now it's very warm and my last note that I've got in my notes um is a bit of UK trivia so Kelly's dad is English

[01:36:04] and her mum's Scottish I thought her dad was Scottish why did you put it up earlier oh maybe I have gone it the wrong way around one of her parents is Scottish one of them is definitely Scottish but either way her dad played professional football

[01:36:22] for one of the Leeds teams I don't know which one it is but Dennis Crawford if anyone from Leeds if any Leeds fans he's a really Scottish name mate it is a bit yeah so I don't know who Dennis Crawford played for

[01:36:38] a professional football player for one of the Leeds teams Jump Jump I do yeah I happen to remember that when I was a kid oh my god I loved Jump Jump because I loved the bits with Kathleen that's what I remember from my

[01:36:54] Kathleen and Jump Jump are a really funny pair the salad she made in one of the episodes is the most inedible salad I've ever seen oh my god yeah so she who puts broad mushrooms in a salad what is it? big mushroom no they're not portobello

[01:37:14] who puts a whole ass portobello mushroom cut into quarters in a salad yeah so she's making a garden salad and she's supposed to put cherry tomatoes and butter mushrooms in it I don't know why and Jump Jump steals those so she cuts a big tomato into quarters

[01:37:28] and a big portobello mushroom into quarters and that's her salad like you're giving that to a giant any of that hole in your mouth right it looks like a the recipe makes it look like a sim salad you're actually missing the most ridiculous path of that which is

[01:37:44] Jump Jump replaces her lettuce with a brussel sprout and she takes the leaves off the brussel sprout and puts that in the bowl come on now have a pizza yeah I do love them though I love her and a little klepto mate and a lot of the

[01:38:00] bloopers are her and him she keeps at the whole point is that she doesn't know he exists and things keep going missing she keeps accidentally looking at her her walls are like gaslighting her yeah it's quite I mean it could take a dark turn if you wanted to

[01:38:20] you could go crazy living in that imagine if every time you tried to make a salad someone replaced your lettuce with brussel sprout how head empty you'd have to be to be fine with it to just assume that oh I

[01:38:34] must have got out a brussel sprout for this salad no you'd go and check the fridge I definitely got out some lettuce Jump Jump is like just crack for 5 year olds because it's a little puppet popping out of a wall full of cupboards that the

[01:38:52] presenter can't see it's like the whole he's behind you humor obviously as a kid it was the funniest thing to me I loved it sorry I know that they're all really talented people but I do think they were all made for Panto

[01:39:06] that's the kind of energy you'd hope a Panto actor would have dirt boy was a boy who just loved dirt yeah it's true I love dirt dirt boy liked to play in the dirt dig in the dirt make mud pies out of dirt

[01:39:24] and at night he even dreamed of guess what any other comments about I'm sure I do have other comments because we loved it didn't we we really did had such a good time I just kind of liked all of it because it's like just charming and lovely

[01:39:48] my favourite bit was when Nathan was covered in dirt dirt dirt dirt there's like those stories like oh and he had a dream last night what was it about dirt yeah he was playing a character called dirt boy please insert clip here I will but it's not

[01:40:08] the same without the visual it's what he's doing with his face no but it is so funny can we watch it again the bit where they all pretend to be dogs yeah there's a scene where Tim is singing a lullaby to his dog to get his dog

[01:40:24] it's a real dog to get the dog asleep and three other cast members come on dressed as dogs and they all fall asleep as well and he goes night night and says his dog's name and then he says night night other doggies

[01:40:36] strays that have wandered in from the street there's munchtown the stories at the end have I think the capacity to be the most ridiculous because they're all there and there's one where they're set in munchtown where Hansel and Gretel are made of edible things

[01:40:54] and they've never heard of cooking before they just slowly eat their town it's kind of like a thinly veiled metaphor for climate change because they're asked what happens when our houses are all gone it doesn't matter and then they're starving at the end cause it's like

[01:41:12] they're trying to eat a normal fence they go through munchtown and try to eat a regular fence and they're like this is disgusting this is the house come on let's eat the munchtown people got to the gate of the house yum a fence 2 4 6 8 munch in don't wait

[01:41:30] there was just one problem with the fence it wasn't a munchtown fence it was a real ant fence it wasn't food at all you're telling me this is disgusting this is shocking tastes terrible this is a fence made of wood sorry no a fence but

[01:41:52] why are you trying to eat my fence well ours are all gone all gone we ate them in the furniture great food mind you what are you doing where you trying to eat my fence respectfully why are you eating my fence

[01:42:06] and then he's like oh we cook our food would you like to come in for some food it's like if 3 people showed up and we tried to eat your fence they're like gnawing on the wood of your fence you're like I might call the police

[01:42:18] oh my god it's so funny because it's like Nathan is the one with the most energy and he's like running around this set tearing it apart and chewing it it's so good bless him he is so they are all so good exactly what they're doing they're so lovable

[01:42:40] at first when I watched the first few episodes and I was like Tim looks slightly embarrassed to be there and then I did a whole turn around on Tim I was like I don't know what made me change my mind I was just like

[01:42:54] no he's just not as I think every so often you catch a look in his eye where there's a present awareness with what he is doing and you can see it and you're like I feel you bro everyone else is none of that

[01:43:08] but also you've got to remember that he's got a lot of freak in him do you know what I mean like he's got freak in him I think he's probably the best at improv just based on the bloopers yeah yeah based on the way that jump jump acts

[01:43:24] I think he just needs to be hidden behind a puppet to really let that let it all out yeah yeah that's fair yeah is just one of them do chatterbox I don't know that's a very good point if you know tell I didn't find any information about that

[01:43:44] a brief quick thing I liked is because the show is clearly meant to be super super accessible to every fucking kid another way they do this is a bunch of the costumes and stuff that they wear if they're dressed up as animals are made of household items

[01:43:56] really yeah like they're dressed up as a crocodile at one point and it's an egg carton it's the like jaws yeah and then the bit where Tim's a pig and that I think is a single part of an egg carton is his nose

[01:44:08] there's a lot of pink related and then there's like rocks made of paper yeah as Meg pointed out you could just get a rock oh look at that rock it's made out of paper it's the same size and shape as a rock

[01:44:22] why don't you just get a rock and I like it when without even highlighting oh do this at home yourself a kid could they could go off and get some pipe cleaners B and B yeah I I have really enjoyed this episode yeah I really

[01:45:02] I think it's worth a watch and I probably I mean should we watch them tonight I would really like to can we watch dirt boy again please please can we watch dirt boy again dirt boy please dirt they're not saying yes anyway high five anyway high five people

[01:45:24] we love you we really do thank you for not like getting yourself cancelled in the meantime oh yeah thanks for continuing to be good people letting me still love you right I'm going to go convalesce quietly somewhere what does that mean she's gonna go get better

[01:45:48] cool I'm gonna open the doors let's open the doors let's get some air in here let's get some airflow the door is in the the the the the the Jesus written takes his office spirit let the fruit grow tell the people of Jesus let his love shine

[01:46:06] now open the door let Jesus return there we go really good really good really good banger for you there thanks for listening as always have a good evening or day you can find us on twitter at thoughts underscore underscore tv on instagram at thoughts tv

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