The Basil Brush Show

[00:00:00] Hello! Hi!

[00:00:01] So just to let you guys know, we've got some very exciting news. We are going to be performing

[00:00:07] an exclusive one-off live show as part of the Cheerful Earful podcast festival in October.

[00:00:15] It will be on the 20th at 5pm at the Bedford pub in Ballin. Nice tickets are £6 and we would

[00:00:23] love it if you could come. Tickets are linked in all the social media. Enjoy the episode.

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[00:00:44] She was just stroking my deepest scar.

[00:00:48] I was actually doing this...

[00:01:09] How is everyone today?

[00:01:11] Just dandy.

[00:01:12] Have you had a good day? Good weeks? What day are we on Wednesday?

[00:01:16] I've actually had a really weird week because the research for this show has made me feel weird,

[00:01:22] but it also could be all the poor decisions I've made in the last two months regarding my medication

[00:01:26] dosage. So I've been up and down. Probably that actually.

[00:01:30] I for the first time basically ever was in church on a weekend.

[00:01:36] Yeah, Laura has been...

[00:01:38] She's been charitable.

[00:01:39] Yeah, being charitable was crocheting for the homeless.

[00:01:43] Well, I've had a bit of death in the last week, but also it's been a really weird one because

[00:01:51] obviously that was really upsetting and negative. We've got a live show.

[00:01:58] Yes, we have.

[00:01:59] We're performing as part of the Cheerful Earful Festival in October, October 20th in Ballin.

[00:02:06] It's a Sunday.

[00:02:07] It's a Sunday.

[00:02:08] Fuck.

[00:02:09] It's a Sunday.

[00:02:10] If you're about, we'd love to see you. This is very exciting for us.

[00:02:14] We'll link the tickets on social media. We actually can't wait.

[00:02:19] Shall we say what the show's going to be about?

[00:02:22] Our slot is on the 20th of October. I think we're one of the final ones.

[00:02:29] And we're going to do a Halloween Scary Telly special. Not a Scary Telly,

[00:02:35] things that scare us as kids about TV.

[00:02:37] And it's going to be good. We know some of you have already booked your tickets.

[00:02:41] So thank you.

[00:02:43] There's only, what was it, 30 seats?

[00:02:48] The standing room.

[00:02:49] Yes, standing room as well.

[00:02:50] We don't actually know the capacity.

[00:02:51] And it's six pounds a ticket.

[00:02:52] But I don't think you book a seat. So I think it might be first.

[00:02:55] If you're coming first come first serve on the seats, probably.

[00:02:59] Yeah.

[00:02:59] Don't quote me on that.

[00:03:00] But yes, and there's loads and loads of other people.

[00:03:04] Like a month and a half of...

[00:03:05] Yeah, of like other podcasts taking place across a pub in Ballum.

[00:03:10] I can't remember the name off the top of my head.

[00:03:12] The Bedford in Ballum and Clapham Grand, which is like situated nicely in our area,

[00:03:21] which is absolutely amazing for us.

[00:03:24] Oh my God, it is amazing.

[00:03:25] It's like this could be not...

[00:03:26] This could not be more convenient.

[00:03:28] It's perfect.

[00:03:29] Yeah, honestly.

[00:03:30] So we'd love to see you there.

[00:03:32] It's even easy to get to just to give directions.

[00:03:34] If you're going into St. Pancras, just get Thameslink down to Ballum.

[00:03:37] Thameslink's lovely trains.

[00:03:40] I love the Thameslink.

[00:03:41] Anyway, she loves going on about Thameslink.

[00:03:43] She loves Thameslink.

[00:03:44] I hate the two.

[00:03:45] I just want an air conditioned train.

[00:03:47] Is that so hard to ask for?

[00:03:49] Anyway, yeah, we're very excited.

[00:03:51] So yeah.

[00:03:52] So where are we in the world right now?

[00:03:55] Today, Jennifer Lopez signed her...

[00:03:59] Well, filed for divorce.

[00:04:01] Great.

[00:04:02] Is that...

[00:04:02] That's the main news of the day.

[00:04:04] Two years of marriage has been after that.

[00:04:05] Exactly two years.

[00:04:07] Why is he sure you're repeating itself?

[00:04:08] Exactly.

[00:04:09] No, because time's a flat disk.

[00:04:11] We've actually got...

[00:04:11] Yeah, we've got nothing new to do.

[00:04:13] So things are just happening again.

[00:04:16] Oh my God, that's depressingly accurate.

[00:04:20] Like literally you just look at the news.

[00:04:21] It's like, wait, didn't this all happen 20 years ago?

[00:04:23] Wait, didn't this all happen in the 70s?

[00:04:25] It's like, yeah.

[00:04:26] Last night we went through everything that Billy Joel says in

[00:04:31] We Didn't Start the Fire and then everything that Fall Out Boys say in...

[00:04:35] In their updated version.

[00:04:36] Of We Didn't Start the Fire, which is...

[00:04:38] I mean it wasn't as good but I did think it was funny that the Suez gets to come up to us.

[00:04:43] Yes, Suez is in both songs.

[00:04:45] So I said what's your favourite thing that Billy Joel says in?

[00:04:50] Like what's your...

[00:04:50] Not a favourite like specific thing but what is best in the song?

[00:04:55] Which is why I went with one that I can't say or you'll think I'm evil.

[00:04:59] The Thalidomide children.

[00:05:00] Yeah, the children of Thalidomide.

[00:05:01] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:02] Kid Palm.

[00:05:02] She just said Kid Palm.

[00:05:03] Do you know why that happened?

[00:05:05] I do know why that happened, yeah.

[00:05:06] Oh okay.

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:07] It's actually one of the only things I remember from biology.

[00:05:12] I don't mean the science of it.

[00:05:15] I mean the history.

[00:05:16] No yes, we also learn that in...

[00:05:18] No, do you know about Louis Pasteur?

[00:05:20] Okay, fine, fine.

[00:05:21] Yeah, we did all learn that.

[00:05:25] It's one of the only things I remember.

[00:05:26] Laura, would you like to explain what it was?

[00:05:29] Yeah, there she goes.

[00:05:30] Laura, please let me explain.

[00:05:32] What I'm talking about is that it's this left-handed right-handed molecule thing

[00:05:35] which I actually can't remember and that's not what I'm trying to explain.

[00:05:38] The issues with the Thalidomide thing is that this left-handed right-handed molecule thing

[00:05:43] and how it interacts with your cells.

[00:05:46] And Louis Pasteur discovered that about 200 years before Thalidomide was used in pregnant women

[00:05:54] and he kept it a secret.

[00:05:56] He died not telling anyone about it

[00:05:59] and told his family, never tell anyone about all my discoveries.

[00:06:01] And it's like, fuck you.

[00:06:03] A lot of people could have been saved if you had just published your science, you prick.

[00:06:08] Anyway enough of...

[00:06:09] Laura doing what Laura does best, explaining.

[00:06:12] In fact, I was at my therapy today and she was explaining things about schemas and pathways

[00:06:21] and because it's CBT so it's quite a homeworky sort of therapy.

[00:06:28] And she said, sorry I'm really not explaining this very well and I was like, oh don't you worry.

[00:06:32] This is like the fifth time.

[00:06:34] Don't worry.

[00:06:35] I know, I know all this.

[00:06:37] And if not I can double check at home.

[00:06:39] Exactly.

[00:06:40] In fact, I noticed that so since living with Laura I've picked up her sort of American ours.

[00:06:48] And...

[00:06:48] You put a twist on them though, you just started doing them one day and it was like,

[00:06:51] that's not entirely from me.

[00:06:53] I didn't really...

[00:06:54] You got that.

[00:06:54] Well I got it from working with a lot of people not from England while wearing masks in a very

[00:07:02] busy environment so I was over pronouncing everything for about a year and it really stuck.

[00:07:08] But I noticed in my session today she was doing it and I was like, oh so sorry.

[00:07:13] You've also started saying finagled.

[00:07:15] Yes I have but isn't like it.

[00:07:17] Yes.

[00:07:18] Yes I like that.

[00:07:19] It's a great word.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:21] Anyone else have a favourite bit of we didn't start the fire?

[00:07:25] Um, what else do I have to say?

[00:07:30] When you asked me I said fire.

[00:07:32] Fire.

[00:07:34] We.

[00:07:35] I know because it's like really depressing.

[00:07:38] He didn't mention Margaret Thatcher which I thought was a miss.

[00:07:42] He did mention British politician sex which is a good line.

[00:07:46] Yeah I mean yeah I mean there are some in there that don't rhyme in any way at all

[00:07:51] or fitting and they have still put them in but Thatcher what do you rhyme it with?

[00:07:58] What do you rhyme it with?

[00:07:59] Milk's Natcher.

[00:08:01] No because then Margaret Thatcher's got a whole line just to her and he's trying to

[00:08:05] fit a whole half a century worth of stuff into a song and you know he also did he write it?

[00:08:14] He did write it at the bottom of the songs.

[00:08:16] Did he write it by William something Joel?

[00:08:19] William Joel.

[00:08:20] William Joel.

[00:08:21] William William Joel.

[00:08:24] I really wish that that was a more common thing that people did.

[00:08:30] Jolkin, rockin, rockin, toky.

[00:08:33] What are our little names?

[00:08:36] Laura Aura that's terrible.

[00:08:38] Yeah your middle name is what?

[00:08:39] Eileen.

[00:08:40] Yeah Laura Aura Cora because of Connolly and I would be Elsie, Kelsey, Lelsie.

[00:08:49] No because with the Jolkin, Rockin, Rockin, Tolkin one if it was all my initials I would be

[00:08:58] mumbie, gumby, rumbie, mumbie.

[00:09:00] And you live in Lollipopland.

[00:09:06] She is a mumbie, gumby, rumbie, mumbie cat.

[00:09:12] Or you live in Lollipopland like.

[00:09:15] So Laura would be Lonnolly, Sonnolly, Connolly.

[00:09:22] Oh yeah because you both have two middle names.

[00:09:28] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:29] So I would be.

[00:09:30] You have no, no you've got a 10.

[00:09:31] Oh Toad's Loads.

[00:09:32] Oh Toad's Loads.

[00:09:35] We are doing Battle Brush the 2002 sitcom today.

[00:09:39] We all have weird feelings about it.

[00:09:41] Yeah I would say.

[00:09:42] I would say I have weird, I have fairly straightforward unpleasant opinions.

[00:09:46] Okay okay so what's a surprise?

[00:09:50] Right um how to begin this.

[00:09:53] It's going to be a real boom boom of a show today so stick around.

[00:10:16] Just how it started.

[00:10:18] No I want to talk about, I want to apologize in advance.

[00:10:22] Right.

[00:10:22] Because I know that a lot of people.

[00:10:24] I love it.

[00:10:25] Really really love it.

[00:10:27] When we posted uh a reel from it everyone was like okay this is exciting you're doing

[00:10:35] Battle Brush.

[00:10:36] We love Battle Brush, everyone love Battle Brush.

[00:10:39] I do think that these people saying this are not saying you're wrong but you've probably

[00:10:42] not seen it in a long time.

[00:10:44] Also I think it would be worth querying which Battle Brush they have more love for.

[00:10:51] Yeah just a thought we'll get into that later.

[00:10:54] Yeah I think that there is so much of it and there is that it's easy like when

[00:11:03] I thought I wasn't going to like it and many many parts of it I didn't like but I thought

[00:11:09] I didn't like it as a kid and yet I remembered so much of it that I must have watched it quite a lot

[00:11:17] but I don't remember.

[00:11:19] That's happening so much this season.

[00:11:20] It didn't remember any of the bad stuff so it's very possible that I mean we're definitely

[00:11:27] gonna people are gonna call us the woke police for some other things that we have to say.

[00:11:33] We have to say.

[00:11:35] It might have been at one age when you were watching it the most you did like it and then

[00:11:39] when you got to a certain age you were like wait a minute.

[00:11:41] Yes I think that's your last memory of it is you deciding you didn't like it so that's the

[00:11:46] impression you were like.

[00:11:46] I think I may have watched it quite a bit when I was younger and then I grew up and

[00:11:56] and um yeah so there are things about the show that we are we can't we have we have to address.

[00:12:03] I do feel like if our listeners are at all attentive to the things we do like things we

[00:12:08] don't like they should have maybe been able to guess at least how some of us were going to

[00:12:13] feel about this.

[00:12:14] Seems you've lost my rabbit.

[00:12:16] Have you tried looking in your head?

[00:12:19] And what didn't I think of that?

[00:12:22] Answer's on the postcard please.

[00:12:23] See but keep it clean though.

[00:12:30] Sweet.

[00:12:32] Very especially slow cooked Chinese style.

[00:12:39] Basil.

[00:12:40] Sorry that was tasty.

[00:12:42] I want to start out by saying that I like the show.

[00:12:50] Laura hates the show what do you think?

[00:12:53] Um so so about it.

[00:12:55] Okay this is good how often have we started an episode like this?

[00:12:57] I would say um we again we circle back to this in a bit.

[00:13:01] I did like the older one more.

[00:13:03] I watched some of the older ones and the newer one and I preferred the 70s through the 80s.

[00:13:08] It was 68 to 80.

[00:13:10] Okay wow uh I preferred that one.

[00:13:12] Yeah when you told me that you'd even seen it I was honestly shocked because

[00:13:18] you have not seen that much British um telly.

[00:13:25] That is something that basically our entire generation haven't seen that our entire

[00:13:32] parents generation definitely have seen so when you told me that you knew it I was really shocked.

[00:13:38] You know sir because like Elty was sending us episodes to watch me like okay watch some of

[00:13:42] this season watch some of that and I was like I was so certain this show is from the 60s.

[00:13:47] Like I remembered the 60s show and then you sent ones of the 2000s one and I was like

[00:13:52] this does not compute with my memories and then I realized that they were both right

[00:13:57] because when I was a kid I this must have been at my nans on my grandma's house

[00:14:01] on like VHS watching Basil Brush because that sounds like something my grandma would just

[00:14:05] have they probably still have that VHS um I watched the 60s one never watched the 2000s one.

[00:14:12] Well this week I've been trying to persuade him to go to a to a hypnotist

[00:14:16] to be cured of his craving. Well I think it's a load of old Codswallow.

[00:14:19] It's not a load of old Codswallow.

[00:14:22] Hypnotism can cure all kinds of habits and they can make people do some very strange

[00:14:26] things. Remember that demonstration we saw? That man who founded impossible to bend over.

[00:14:31] He was as stiff as a board or that was hypnotism. Could it be rheumatism?

[00:14:38] Listen, listen a hypnotist could make you believe you were a sword swallower and make you

[00:14:44] swallow a sword three foot long. Me? Yes you. Swallow a sword three feet long.

[00:14:53] No trouble at all. But I'm only two feet tall.

[00:14:56] Designed by Peter Furman of Small Films fame if you've not heard our

[00:15:03] bagpuss episode. He was part of the Peter Furman Oliver Postgate team. Meg just rolled her eyes

[00:15:11] because she knows. No I didn't I nodded. Oh okay oh I thought you were doing a kind of yeah.

[00:15:15] No maybe she just went um. I actually thought you were falling asleep. No sometimes I think

[00:15:22] I've blinked and I haven't I've just rolled my eyes back into my head. What the fuck?

[00:15:28] Wait wait wait wait wait you go and think you blinked. What? Let me do it now. Oh you

[00:15:35] was kind of a blink yeah I think that's what just happened. Yeah yeah yeah I wasn't rolling my eyes

[00:15:40] that you are was just nodding. And you were saying me and Elsa have weird eye things. We do

[00:15:44] have weird eye things. I don't think I'd do it as much as I used to because it was pointed

[00:15:48] out to me and I'm now really I'm really aware of it but I used to think I was doing a slow

[00:15:54] blink. The way I just blink and I don't know I don't know. The way that I think that I can

[00:16:01] blink upwards because I can. She says it because it makes us angry. I can blink upwards I can move

[00:16:10] my bottom eyelids up to my top one. You don't have bottom eyelids so you can't move them can you?

[00:16:15] Well how come I can blink upwards then? No she can't no one can you don't have capacity

[00:16:20] to move that musculature? I can. No.

[00:16:27] There are pictures of me trying and it's horrible because you can't do it you're just looking

[00:16:33] like really strange. I do I do have to say when we it was like when we first moved here is when

[00:16:40] Elsie told us that she could blink upwards and she genuinely thought she could and she showed

[00:16:46] us and it was so heartbreaking having to having to break into her that what she was doing was just

[00:16:54] blinking and me and Laura started laughing and Elsie was like what what are you laughing at?

[00:17:00] And we were like because you're just blinking you're just like looking up and then

[00:17:05] blink like really forcefully blinking. Yeah but I can.

[00:17:16] Anyway Oliver Posegate. Yeah Peter Furman designed the puppet Basil Brush so he invented this puppet

[00:17:24] for a TV show that went from 1962 to 64 I think but I'm not sure when it ended. It's called

[00:17:32] The Three Scampies and it's about a trio of out-of-work circus performers and Basil Brush

[00:17:38] did appear in that and I did try to find out more about the Three Scampies but if you google it you

[00:17:45] just get information about Basil Brush so if you know anything about that show. Were there

[00:17:50] other woodland creatures in that show? Yes there was a um I've seen it. Oh what's it like?

[00:17:55] Adorable is there like a badger? It's a head chock I think. Yeah I think maybe this is what I saw

[00:18:04] in Not Basil Brush because I remember there being other woodland creatures with Basil Brush

[00:18:09] and I don't know like so when there was only people I was like where's the other woodland

[00:18:14] creatures? Oh okay. I'll have a look Ramagramas. Why is this horrible and not cute? That's where

[00:18:20] he started. He was portrayed by Ivan Owen until 2000, um Ivan Owen died in 2000. He didn't have

[00:18:30] any media presence whatsoever. He was so dedicated to not breaking the magic of Basil Brush. He had

[00:18:39] one radio interview in his whole life but otherwise he was Basil Brush. He was like uber dedicated

[00:18:46] puppeteer. Then Basil Brush got his own show that ran from 1968 to 1980 and that was called

[00:18:54] Basil Brush Show and he was accompanied over the years by various stooges. Um you had Mr Rodney,

[00:19:02] you had Mr Derrick, you had Mr Roy, you had Mr Howard and you had Mr Billy. The one that I want

[00:19:07] to talk about is Mr Roy because that's the one that is remembered the most by my parents. I feel

[00:19:13] like he maybe wasn't on it the longest but he's the one that is remembered by I guess my parents

[00:19:19] generation. Well your parents. Yeah but that's the but that's the one that I hear the name I hear

[00:19:26] the most when people are talking about old Basil Brush. Maybe that's just me I mean you know

[00:19:31] send as an email if I'm wrong. Which is my shoe you know. I know it is Basil and I've really

[00:19:38] been looking forward to this. Oh thank you Mr South. Marvelous. North. Oh I'm sorry I lost my sense of

[00:19:44] direction. I see hasn't he got lovely teeth? Oh don't. Go on show me your teeth go on take them out put

[00:19:53] them on the table show them. I don't want to show them my teeth you show me your teeth. All right.

[00:19:59] So Roy, Roy North he was called and he was from Hull and you can hear very much that he's

[00:20:05] from Hull and he was a huge Hull City Tigers fan and he sometimes wore his Hull City Tigers top on

[00:20:12] the telly. Aww. Yeah yeah and it's a it's a good show so it's like half an hour long it was Saturday

[00:20:21] evening family entertainment they would sort of it was like Graham Norton with skits. Well yeah

[00:20:29] kind of so they would have celebrities on there and you know Basil would do you know

[00:20:37] duet with them. They perform on their own as well. And they perform on their own as well

[00:20:41] there's comedy skits they go back and forth there's always a section at the end called

[00:20:46] story time with Basil or something where the male presenter attempts to read a story

[00:20:52] and Basil just interrupts him with shit jokes and it's actually

[00:20:58] unbelievably frustrated to watch. It's like you want to throttle him. He looked around.

[00:21:03] Pepper was on a pirate ship. A fierce looking pirate with a hairy face and a patch over one eye

[00:21:09] was shouting orders to the others. Two stinking tipsy three fist fingers and tipsy. Not that

[00:21:14] kind of order. He was the captain. Was he? Move yourselves me heart is he yell.

[00:21:19] Move yourselves me heart is he yell. Oh cool that hurt. The captain was a cruel man.

[00:21:26] He's not the only one I can tell you agony that was four. The harder the pirates work the more

[00:21:30] he shouted at them. It's so annoying like I know it's the joke but it's so annoying.

[00:21:37] You could also kill him so easily. Oh so easily. Yeah yeah done.

[00:21:43] Well then they also at the end of that they I don't this feels like a weird

[00:21:47] detraction of how long it takes them to do this once they finish reading the story.

[00:21:50] They then go through it again with you reading along with them.

[00:21:56] Yeah oh that was a different show that was that was so that was a set that I was talking

[00:22:00] about a section at the end of the Basil brush show at the end of each episode but

[00:22:03] there was a show for kids that he was on called story time with Basil or reading with Basil

[00:22:08] or something like that. God why are there so many? But that also had that annoying little

[00:22:13] yeah no it did yeah fully did that's why I thought this was the same thing.

[00:22:16] So while we're on the subject of this particular show I want to talk about why

[00:22:21] puppets sometimes have insane sexual chemistry with celebrities.

[00:22:28] Do you know Basil Marty Feldman had his eye on me all evening. He had his eye on me too and

[00:22:33] I was on the other side of the room but I must say miss Pett. Yes you were the better the

[00:22:38] ball was I. You look smashing. Thank you. You wore the gown not cold. I was all in blue.

[00:22:47] Didn't I catch cold. Not cold not you not you what fun you were so bright and gay super

[00:22:57] fox in every way. Was I? Of course you were. Say something. Okay you go ahead. Okay you don't

[00:23:10] because you don't agree with me right. Well listen, Elsie bored us long enough with this last night

[00:23:16] and now she's gonna butt no she. No so last night you showed us one with Kermit and Julie Andrews

[00:23:22] and then uh Miss Piggy and Jean Kelly. Miss Piggy I agree. Yeah the one we know it was

[00:23:28] Michael Parkinson and Miss Piggy. The one with yeah the one with Michael Parkinson. He gets deeply jealous.

[00:23:36] I don't blame him. I mean I'd go overboard for you. What's it like being a sex symbol? I would say

[00:23:44] deep responsibility to be to be a taste setter in fashion, to be a sex symbol and a pig superstar.

[00:23:54] Fantastic. Yes I feel I can weather up under the storm. I have taste, I have style. Yes you have all that.

[00:24:02] And I can cut it.

[00:24:08] You do tend to get a bit aggressive at times I noted. I mean you've got this very well your wife told me

[00:24:14] you let that. Oh. Do you not think that the one with Miss Piggy and Michael Parkinson had more

[00:24:21] sexual Kelly than chemistry than the one with Jean Kelly? I agree Miss Piggy has sexual chemistry

[00:24:25] with everyone but I think that that is she is an exception to all of them. Well I think that that's

[00:24:31] because Miss Piggy is sexy. Kermit is not. Kermit's just a frog. No but they- Kermit is lucky to have

[00:24:38] her. But there's something that puppets do to celebrities like well it's it's easier to

[00:24:46] play along with it because you're not playing it into an actual person. No exactly. So you're not

[00:24:51] making a person uncomfortable. It's just I find it one of the most joyful things to watch those sections

[00:24:57] on The Muppet Show where a celebrity comes on and they sing a song together and it's just

[00:25:03] really nice and they you can see how full of joy that celebrity is that they are getting to

[00:25:10] talk to those characters. And you can like feel the sort of gleeful sort of mischievous

[00:25:20] game that Jim Henson and Frank Ars are playing with these celebrities. You can hear them just

[00:25:27] loving it. I did think the bit one with Michael Parkinson was really good though because I don't

[00:25:31] know you didn't see it Laura but Miss Piggy was trying to make Kermit jealous and she says

[00:25:38] something to Michael Parkinson and the camera pans to Kermit. And Kermit like they do some-

[00:25:44] Oh the screwing up his laugh. Yeah it looks like he swallows angrily. Yeah yeah that was so good.

[00:25:51] For I mean he is one of the most sophisticated puppets ever because he's a hand and he has

[00:25:56] like a huge range of emotions somehow it's amazing. But I brought it up because there are

[00:26:02] moments like this in the Basil Brush show so Petula Clark he does a little duet with her.

[00:26:08] I'm gonna put a little clip in of some of these whatever but he flirts with people

[00:26:14] does Basil Brush. She's like a sort of raconteur kind of character. I didn't see very many and

[00:26:20] I saw I think two both women both women but like they both just seemed kind of uncomfortable

[00:26:26] because Basil Brush is firstly the couch that they were sat on at least ones I watched was

[00:26:31] this teeny teeny tiny couch where they had to be squashed right next to the human presenter

[00:26:36] and then Basil Brush is right here next like six inches from their face. That is also the problem

[00:26:42] with not 16 by 9 4 by 3 yeah 4 by 3. Fair um yeah you can sit so much further apart now oh my god.

[00:26:49] It's why so many shows from that era have a huge amount of homoeroticism in them. Or just

[00:27:01] earlier that she thinks she relates Basil Brush and Keith Lemon together. Oh I think he's like

[00:27:09] if you cross Keith Lemon and Bruce Forsythe. Yes that is good so he was actually specifically

[00:27:18] based on Terry Thomas. So Terry Thomas was a comedy actor he kind of often played like

[00:27:26] upper class gents um he was kind of cheeky and sort of sending up the upper class. I all I know

[00:27:34] I know about 700 stories about Aphrodisiacs the one that sticks in my mind which I like best of all

[00:27:41] is one man said I think it's Spanish flies the most potent of Aphrodisiacs and the other

[00:27:46] one said no oysters. He said no no oysters and no good I had 12 last night and only 11 work.

[00:27:53] How many pints would it take you guys to fuck Miss Piggy? I thought you just would fuck the

[00:27:59] end of sentence. No pints zero pints. One? One pint how many for you? Her end of scenario is she-

[00:28:08] Are you a puppet or is she a person? Is that what you're gonna say? That's actually a good

[00:28:12] that's sort of a better question. No she's a puppet and you're a person. Is the am I operating

[00:28:18] her as the person? No no no you're also a puppet. Oh I'm also a puppet. Then yeah like three. Three

[00:28:27] pints. Three pints from Miss Piggy the sexiest puppet. Oh it's just you know social lubricant.

[00:28:34] Okay how many pints to Basil Brush? I'd be dead. A couple? A couple. Well this is what I have to

[00:28:44] say about Basil Brush. His character is that sort of you know that like older gentleman that

[00:28:52] thinks he's charming. That's actually really smart. Yeah calls everyone like he calls everyone young

[00:28:58] young lady um sweetheart yeah there's like very over familiar in a kind of

[00:29:06] upper class gentlemanly kind of way that they think is still acceptable. Yeah the only person

[00:29:11] I would ever allow to speak to me like that would be Basil Brush because he's a puppet fox and when

[00:29:17] he does it I don't mind it so much. Not now Basil. Just imagine it. Crimmed and meant these

[00:29:25] shandies on the veranda with a foxy young thing you know it's all in the book you know you take a look.

[00:29:31] Dream on Baz. Ah lovely thank you very much. Back to sleep for me.

[00:29:41] Now where were we ladies?

[00:29:44] Here's the thing there is someone under the table actually saying it to you. I know I know and it's

[00:29:51] Michael Windsor so Michael Windsor plays Basil Brush and has done uh there's only ever been two

[00:29:58] people who've played Basil Brush. But yeah Basil Brush I would be dead. The amount of alcohol

[00:30:06] I'd have to consume. Pints no several neat whiskies? Yeah what about you for both?

[00:30:13] Um oh no pints for Miss Piggy. No pints. Uh 20 to 30 strong ales.

[00:30:26] 20 to 30 bottles of sabuca. Yeah. Trappist beers.

[00:30:32] Pure ethanol until I go blind. No sorry that's methanol. Blind and deaf. And dead.

[00:30:42] In September 1997 Ivan Owen and Peter Furman sold the rights to Basil Brush to Bill Haslam,

[00:30:53] a Cornwall based businessman and longtime fan of the character. So Haslam formed a company

[00:31:01] called Boom Boom with the first mention of Boom Boom of the episode by the way and we've

[00:31:06] been recording for over half an hour. Katma didn't need any pints. Boom Boom. With the aim of relaunching

[00:31:14] Basil Brush with a new television series and public appearances. Ladies and gentlemen please

[00:31:22] yourself down and get ready to meet young master Dave. He's a real whiz kid. Hop down the shop

[00:31:29] and get yourself some fish and dinner. And young Miss Molly she's cute. Oh it's a termore. Get your

[00:31:36] part. She's cool. Nothing. She's got a kick like a mule. Then there's Mr Stephen master magician.

[00:31:45] Is that your card? No. Entertainer extraordinaire. Please don't clap. Oh all right he's rubbish but

[00:31:53] he's cheap. And of course the star of the show it's the one and only. Oh what's his name again?

[00:32:01] What begins with a B? Is it a battery? Hey watch it. No no it's Boris. It should be everywhere

[00:32:25] sitcom was BBC. It used to be ITV the original show was ITV. Oh really? Yeah. And BBC was the 2002

[00:32:35] to 2007 sitcom. It stars Basil Brush, his for some reason flatmate Stephen who he obviously calls

[00:32:47] Mr Stephen so we all do as well and Stevens, niece and nephew Molly and Dave. So they all live

[00:32:54] in a flat together. There are various neighbors that sort of go interchange. Yeah sort of go in and

[00:33:01] out so you've got Madison full name Madison Square Gardens. She's the resident American. Yeah there's

[00:33:07] various and they sort of stay for a few seasons each. There's also Anil from Anil's calf so that's

[00:33:14] set. Oh he's making me cry. She's a tale of will all right. That's not making me cry. This onion is

[00:33:26] Stick to the script. Evil strip get off me. Get off me. And he's an Indian guy played by

[00:33:35] Ajay Chabra so he's very cool. He's very cool. Have you seen his not INDB just his Wikipedia page? No.

[00:33:46] He's done so much. He's and lots of like really different stuff as well. He's an interesting guy.

[00:33:53] So what do we think of this new show? Abrasive. I wonder if we should start with the positives.

[00:34:03] Start with the positives and then we can address all of its flaws. I enjoyed the

[00:34:13] was Dave he's like a crime boss? Yeah Dave follows in the rich tradition of

[00:34:21] sitcom little boys in Britain that they're just like wanting to make money. He's a cockney wideboy.

[00:34:28] He's a cockney wideboy. Why would we have so many of them? He's literally a crime boss.

[00:34:33] He's grafting so hard he comes with wads of cash. He's employing his sister. You know what? Good

[00:34:39] job. Yeah he's got like a new side hustle every episode. He is actually genuinely really funny

[00:34:45] as well. Like he actually is the best case my favorite character. He's so funny. He's got

[00:34:51] every episode he's got a side quest or something. He's usually wearing either a suit or and it's

[00:34:58] like a proper suit with like the he's got the suspenders and he's got like the arm brace things

[00:35:03] and it feels like he's in a different show. Yeah it just happens to walk into the room

[00:35:11] sometimes. Yeah yeah yeah he's he's got his own show. Yeah he's like a main character of a

[00:35:21] big thing. Oh right. Ladies and gentlemen space tourism is the next big thing and I'm the

[00:35:27] hot-shot entrepreneur who's going to bring it to the masses. But Dave what about the cost?

[00:35:31] Surely space travel's too expensive for ordinary punters. Ah not anymore. Allow me to introduce

[00:35:36] my new business partner Anatoli Dodgiovic. We to use top of cutting edge of rocket technology

[00:35:43] is developing in my beautiful home country Moldakazakovia.

[00:35:49] And the kids are wotzy. He carries off that role which could so easily be very annoying like

[00:35:56] stop behaving like that you're a child but it's like actually every time he comes on you're like

[00:36:00] okay what now but you know I really want to know what now. What can I do if you gentlemen?

[00:36:07] Well um Mr Dave we were just wondering. Yes we were wondering whether you would like fish fingers

[00:36:14] for your tea or would you prefer pizza? You see Mr Stephen here wanted fishy fingers whereas you

[00:36:20] knew on a Thursday. Basil I'm a busy man besides Teas for Wimps I'll work right through. Oh actually

[00:36:27] I'm glad you chopped by you see I've just bought a major TV channel and I'm reviewing the

[00:36:33] shows they well we make. Oh that's marvellous Mr Dave. You see my point is my new company makes the

[00:36:40] Basil Brush show so embarrassing as it is I'm now your boss. Oh well that's not so bad I'm sure

[00:36:48] you'll get over the embarrassment a pay rise make hope. Um that's just it Basil see I've been

[00:36:55] looking at these balance sheets and popular as you are profits just aren't what they should be

[00:37:00] I'm gonna have to make some cuts.

[00:37:03] We're used to doing this show from the bathroom. It's awful isn't it Basil? Damp and dismal

[00:37:09] I much prefer voicing over the living room. There's another episode where Dave becomes

[00:37:15] like a media mogul it's always like really dodgy stuff yeah and I enjoy that about Dave.

[00:37:22] Molly is again it's exactly like my parents are aliens Molly's the nerdy one she likes school

[00:37:31] she's got she's like the Lisa Simpson. I kind of think she's the normal one though like yeah

[00:37:36] she's she's mad with the men all the time that is so realistic. One thing that bothers me with

[00:37:42] that is that the minute there's a girl female generally in a sitcom show she always gets

[00:37:47] moved into the role of mother. Oh it drives me crazy. When I was a kid I remember thinking that

[00:37:53] Molly was like angry all the time and watching it as an adult I'm like she was angry all the time.

[00:37:59] I didn't remember that I remembered her being just as funny as everyone else and I watched it

[00:38:04] and I was like oh no she's the woman in the sitcom yeah which is unfair to other I mean you know

[00:38:10] there are some funny sitcom there are lots of funny sitcom women but you know

[00:38:14] from from that time on that channel maybe not so much. Other characters there is Stephen.

[00:38:22] Oh what is like to be in demand? Yeah well I wouldn't know would I? Failure? Useless

[00:38:29] useless you heard him buzz all my own flesh and blood. Ah they were just joshing I'm sure that

[00:38:36] deep down they really respect you. Oh yes Stephen if any of my friends ring can you pretend to

[00:38:41] be someone else? The way I think about the Guardian the way I think about Stephen is Meg and I have a

[00:38:55] joke about Tim Robbins do you hear where I'm going with this? Sorry I'm sorry I got distracted by

[00:39:02] Laura's toes. I'm so sorry she was just stroking my deepest scar. I was actually doing this I was

[00:39:14] silently doing this little piggy went to market. You also you went like this which is I nearly

[00:39:19] caught my car. Anyway I'm really sorry Elsie oh your mum's ringing you. She always does this.

[00:39:25] Okay we've got a joke about Tim Robbins. Me and my mum walked past him in Edinburgh but I

[00:39:33] literally have no at the time won't have really known who Tim Robbins was like I knew who he was

[00:39:40] but I wouldn't have known him by name and we walked past him and mum went that was Tim Robbins

[00:39:44] and I turned around and it was just a guy. Just a man. To me it was just a man. Every time they

[00:39:51] do this for like my brain is trying really hard to get Skaterboy to work within he's just a man but it

[00:39:58] doesn't. He was a man. She was a girl. He was a Meg. She was a Meg. Can I make it? I remember

[00:40:09] telling Elsie this story and she was like oh was he really tall and I went he was just a man. I

[00:40:14] don't think I said was it I think you told me he was really tall. No because I didn't remember

[00:40:18] I've told other people this story and they said oh is he really tall? He's really tall isn't he?

[00:40:23] And I've gone he was just a man but I know he's tall so we must have been tall. Meg was struck by how

[00:40:29] just a man this man was. Maybe when I looked around he was already far away. Or maybe he was

[00:40:35] like on the road you were on the curb you know. So we refer to him in our house as Tim Robbins

[00:40:43] the man and Chris Pizzy who plays Stephen. He's just a man. Like I firstly we're just

[00:40:55] ordinary men. We're just normal men. Just normal men. Or it doesn't get the joke but some of you

[00:41:02] will. I think all of you will. Everyone is so horrible at this joke. So I think his performance

[00:41:09] is actually excellent. I do think he has got the kind of fearlessness in his performance that

[00:41:20] what's his name he plays Shaggy in. Nathan Foley. I was gonna say thingy from the

[00:41:25] Scooby-Doo movies just completely unselfconscious doing whatever it takes to make the scene good.

[00:41:31] Well that's because that man was born to play Shaggy. Hang on. Because he just he came out

[00:41:37] and he was just Shaggy. It was incredible but yeah I thought he came out the womb as Shaggy.

[00:41:43] But that's how I feel about Matthew Lillard. Matthew Lillard yeah that's how I feel about

[00:41:49] Mr Stephen. Yeah he is very good. I think his personality can be boiled down to wet wipe.

[00:41:57] He also falls like I understand why this happened you're making a children's sitcom it's

[00:42:02] so all of the characters I think except for Basil Brush fall really deeply into a trope

[00:42:08] character and he is the idiot. And I don't like I think I just don't love sitcoms generally and

[00:42:16] that role in especially really tropey sitcoms that role in a sitcom grates me sometimes.

[00:42:23] Yeah I think I hadn't thought about it but you said it makes you really uncomfortable when

[00:42:27] someone's stereotyped as the stupid one. I don't know uh I think maybe you have too much empathy.

[00:42:35] You considered that? Too much get rid of some of it just upload it. Where? The bin?

[00:42:43] I don't think. Is it recyclable or off the balcony? Last sit isn't it? I've lost my job and there are

[00:42:50] six months of bills to be paid. What are we gonna do? We are broke. Well there's a tube of glue in

[00:43:00] the kitchen if that helps. No it doesn't. Look Stephen you just got to work out a plan of action

[00:43:06] to deal with the situation like a grown-up. Right yes good one Mole plan of action. Okay.

[00:43:17] Yeah. Come on then Mr Stephen. Yeah deal with the situation like a grown-up. Anyone lend me a

[00:43:23] pound for a lottery ticket? Right so that's Mr Stephen he's a long running basil sidekick so

[00:43:32] they did a tour in 2015 it was 2015. 2015 Mr Stephen and Basil did a over a hundred. Is this

[00:43:45] a hundred date tour? Hundred dates? Yeah. Cheese. No it was for children so Basil brush has since done

[00:43:56] at like over 16 shows so in 2019 in Edinburgh he did one and that was called Basil brush and leash

[00:44:04] and it was like tapping into the sort of dick and dom nostalgia market and that was with a different

[00:44:10] sidekick but in as late as 2015 maybe even a little bit beyond because it went on for quite a while.

[00:44:19] It was Basil brushing Mr Stephen just touring touring the country. Madison kind of plays that

[00:44:24] role a little bit. She plays the role of an American in our... Yeah not 100% because I don't think she's

[00:44:31] I don't think she's she's not a moron but she's like the blindly positive American character

[00:44:39] which is stereotyping in a different way yeah. Now would pink polka dots really be so wrong for funeral?

[00:44:50] Funeral? Well I assume we're not just gonna like dump him in a skip. Hang on you mean

[00:44:56] I know. Nutter! What? My dear Madison it would appear that we're at Angry Dolphins I mean cross

[00:45:07] purposes here. Do what? The big face three can't dead. No but what about like the policeman I didn't

[00:45:16] see from earlier? Him oh an actor friend of Stevens who came around to give us the news that he's been

[00:45:22] snapped up by Hollywood no less. Because it's also like there's this feeling that is 100% accurate

[00:45:28] for Mr Stevens or Mrs Stephen is that because they're so stupid they won't even notice that

[00:45:34] you're dunking on him? That he has this constant like they dunk on him and then he has like a second

[00:45:39] delay where he goes like hey how I just like with his face or whatever. He also played Sarah Jane

[00:45:47] Smith's dad in a genuinely really emotional episode of the Sarah Jane adventures. He's got

[00:45:53] range. Well I guess so I think that almost everyone our age I say almost because I'm sat in a room

[00:45:59] with Laura watched that episode and their first reaction was oh my god it's Mr Stephen and then

[00:46:04] it was really sad. I didn't watch Sarah Jane adventures either. What else do we really like about?

[00:46:09] I really like the set. The set is amazing. It's like color changing it's like covered in lights

[00:46:17] because it's horrible to live in but very nice to watch. Yeah if you had a migraine that that

[00:46:22] flat would kill you. I feel like it's the flat that in my head somewhere in that house

[00:46:26] like they've got a bathroom that has the you know a wall made of those you know when they're like

[00:46:32] glass tiles. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a bathroom in that house that's the walls.

[00:46:38] Yeah like it's very too sad like it's very naughty. It's very Nick Jr. Yes yeah there is

[00:46:44] something a bit American sitcom about it but I think the reason for that is because the way

[00:46:48] that this show works is that they're upfront about it being a show. So in his first episode he

[00:46:54] was like I'm back and it was presented as a big Saturday night like it wasn't on on Saturday night

[00:47:00] but it was framed like it was on Saturday night. It's got a laugh track as well and it's got like

[00:47:07] sound effects like quite comical clownish sound effects like where it isn't a silent moment. No

[00:47:15] it is an attack on the senses. It is which is one of the negatives of the show if you what

[00:47:20] you're wanting to do is engage kids it does do that. It does it fulfills the brief. It's massively

[00:47:26] overstimulating because like they don't let it lie for a second like it's just constant onslaught of

[00:47:32] noise and I'm like you could just give the audience a second to breathe between things

[00:47:37] but I know that's not what kids necessarily hate. You would hate satay. Listen to our episode of

[00:47:43] satay. No like that that is one of the things I didn't like about it but looking from an

[00:47:48] adult lens of it it was like I really liked all the surrounding characters but like the combination

[00:47:56] of the colors the lights the sounds and basil brush is annoying constant presence. Yeah I found like

[00:48:03] Elsie came home and I was like I have watched a lot of basil brush and now I am done. Yeah

[00:48:08] I can't do it anymore. Yeah we were in here together the liver group and you will I was

[00:48:17] one and then I'm finished. But the reason that I think the flat is so obviously a set

[00:48:25] is there's no ceiling. Well yes but like but they're not trying to make it into a

[00:48:30] so something that I love about the show like genuinely really love is that it's almost

[00:48:36] like a surrealist masterpiece. And now time for a bit of exposition though the joke at

[00:48:43] the end is worth hanging on for. So join me same time same place tomorrow for more healthy Harry's

[00:48:50] healthy world because remember a healthy world a wealthy world. Today's program is sponsored

[00:48:59] by Cadwallada's funeral parlor. Next on Cheebo TV an everyday tale of Belgian folk in Ostenders.

[00:49:11] There are no hear me out there are episodes that are entirely non-linear they make constant

[00:49:20] reference to the script. Do you think being for like meta is surreal? No I don't but the

[00:49:30] situations they find themselves in is almost like mighty bush like you know that episode with the

[00:49:35] mummy. The episode with the mummies so it's basically Basil and Steven find a tunnel under

[00:49:42] their house and it's kind of like Tomb Raiders and then they go back into the living room and

[00:49:48] they're watching the TV and Molly's on the TV but it's in a kind of black and white mummy

[00:49:54] horror. Oh yeah that looks like Miss Molly on the TV universal movies. Yeah and then

[00:50:02] Dave goes into another room and they're watching the TV and now Dave is in the film and then

[00:50:08] both of them turn into mummies and they're like back in the living room and it's like what's happening.

[00:50:13] A duel!

[00:50:16] Yes all right you'll get your flaming duel I've put it somewhere safe. I wish I'd put myself there too.

[00:50:25] Could this be the end for Basil? Hardly the show's only just started so you mummies can't

[00:50:33] smother me just yet. No! Not until our loyal viewer who may value so highly has been filled in.

[00:50:43] Well it's also given me socks who may value even more highly time to think where I put that curse of

[00:50:48] duel. Um voice over men could you go back to the beginning please? Oh if we must. It all started

[00:50:57] earlier that day with Molly's history project on the ancient Egyptians. I love that about it

[00:51:04] I think you said that it's like a very simple sitcom for children but I kind of disagree. I just mean

[00:51:11] the character setup I don't mean the plot the plots and stuff because the plots are convoluted

[00:51:15] in it. Oh yeah it's actually fairly sophisticated. But I just mean the roles of each of the

[00:51:20] characters. Yeah there's also um animated segmentation in it a bit like Tracy Beaker

[00:51:26] just to add to all of what's going on. Suddenly a change of medium. You've got this weird family

[00:51:33] setup, a puppet that doesn't stop talking, loads of lights, loads of noise and action

[00:51:39] and then it cuts off to animated Basil Brush randomly for no reason. Like there's yeah you could

[00:51:46] I'd forgotten that this was a thing because there was so much going on in the show you could

[00:51:50] completely take away those segments. I'd forgotten that as well they don't need to be there. Yeah and

[00:51:53] the show would be exactly the same. But that is much later on that's mainly in the Liam years where

[00:51:58] Stephen leaves and Liam replaces him. There is animation in the earlier one so it's just not

[00:52:05] as frequent because I did watch some of the later ones today and it was like oh god they are

[00:52:10] cutting away to these animated Basil Brush skits quite a lot like skits within the sitcom it

[00:52:16] was really weird like family guy which is all animated. Yeah no I know but like he does the

[00:52:22] cutaways when he's like telling a joke and it goes to the visual of the joke. Yeah but the jokes

[00:52:29] those kind of skits in family guy kind of appear naturally. Yeah fair. Oh you're right these are

[00:52:34] just oh a thing. Yeah cut away to something entirely different. Like a long transition. Yeah it's really

[00:52:39] weird it's like they were like oh we could have like the transition cards like you get in the

[00:52:44] sitcoms like the Big Bang Theory and they have them but they went what can we do else with

[00:52:50] this. A whole short store. Yeah and sometimes there's you know songs and dance breaks as well

[00:52:56] infrequently but they are there. I love whenever they go outside it's the least real looking

[00:53:04] outside I've ever seen it's like high five outside it's like yeah yeah cutouts and like pipe cleaner

[00:53:09] flowers and all the children other than these children are adults it yeah. But the way that

[00:53:16] it is so all over the place and off the wall and even the characters that come in like side

[00:53:24] characters that come in off the street like a police officer for example like they have a huge

[00:53:30] number of people cast and it's not I mean there are people that repeat like multi role people

[00:53:37] that come in and play different characters but they've got a lot of different people and

[00:53:40] they always work really hard to make it a joke with every single one there's always it's never just

[00:53:47] exposition there's always something and I don't know I actually find it apart from all the problems

[00:53:56] which we'll get into I find it quite a sophisticated show. Like yeah it's got a lot going on and it

[00:54:03] manages to make it work. It doesn't talk down to the audience at all. Oh yeah they don't pause

[00:54:09] to explain anything. No they just do it and I really appreciate that about it. Your suspension of

[00:54:18] disbelief has to be ready to go the whole time like don't expect an answer to a single question.

[00:54:25] Come on! Now get at me or I'm gonna slice you from breakfast at dinnertime! Cut, cut.

[00:54:37] Poor choice of words. Right you pirates you're in the wrong studio. The straight to video

[00:54:42] confessions of Captain Hornblower is filming next door.

[00:54:52] The thing that's very very cool about this show is that it's at the same time very insincere and also

[00:55:02] very sincere so it's the constant they constantly refer to themselves as a bad show a show that's

[00:55:12] basically about to be taken off the air a show that has no money look at how terrible this script is

[00:55:17] don't laugh you'll only encourage him oh I've set his wobbly they're always talking about that

[00:55:23] but they also at the same time as having that kind of cynicism it's really sincere. They are

[00:55:32] throwing themselves into it they are doing everything and there are moments that are

[00:55:38] really funny and you can tell there's a lot of love behind the show and a lot of money like they

[00:55:44] talk about how cheap it is but they've spent loads of money on making it look like a big Saturday

[00:55:49] night show that is also really cheap like it is both of those things. It takes a lot of money

[00:55:53] to look that cheap. Yeah it's both of those things at the same time and I love it for that.

[00:56:02] It's very much a time capsule in so many ways other than just the aesthetics.

[00:56:09] And the the oldness of the jokes and the old the variety feel of it I feel like the creators

[00:56:17] kind of were going for a sort of this is old-fashioned comedy and we are presenting it

[00:56:24] in a way that we know that this is old-fashioned and we're presenting a show that

[00:56:29] the creators everyone in it knows it's shit and they say that it's shit and that makes it

[00:56:36] not shit. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. Excuse me miss but your dishcloth bikini is very tight and rather

[00:56:46] revealing. Well no one's forcing you to wear it. I yeah no 100% like I will say in every

[00:56:58] fashion that's put into it like I granted that I may not like it but you can tell that people

[00:57:02] were trying really hard. And also if you're going if you'll be like oh you know the script is shit

[00:57:06] it's shit but it's all written in then you've achieved it so it is good like yeah they've

[00:57:11] done it well. I've got one more positive thing to say about it I'll probably find more as

[00:57:19] we go on but because there's like specific jokes that I would like to just mention

[00:57:23] but we can do that if we have time. Something else I want to say about it is that I switched on

[00:57:29] episode one at the beginning of the research for this and it felt like a warm hug more than any

[00:57:36] of the shows that we've done like the I heard the sound of the characters voices I heard the

[00:57:41] theme song and I was like kicking my feet like like a schoolgirl I was like this is I remember

[00:57:49] all of this so clearly and I must have loved it and I was really really enjoying myself I was like

[00:57:55] why don't I watch this all the time this feels so good. Because we kill you. And then the first

[00:58:01] fat joke came in and I was like oh fuck this is 2002 yeah and it hates women. It hates women

[00:58:09] it hates people of color it hates fat people it hates foreigners it hates immigrants you know

[00:58:15] I felt this like very similar like there were parts of the show that I was like I

[00:58:21] remembered the show this episode beginning to end it was really weird there were some things

[00:58:27] that I'd like totally forgotten about it but a lot of the jokes and like specific bits of the show

[00:58:34] I'd remembered. And so when I watched it it was like a big surprise and this does keep

[00:58:40] happening this series like I've this has happened a few times where I've watched something not expecting

[00:58:46] to remember anything about it and I've remembered loads and loads and loads of it which is very

[00:58:50] conflicting for me in many ways because I don't remember a lot of my my childhood

[00:58:55] in great detail so when I remember these things it genuinely makes me feel really really

[00:59:01] really nostalgic in a way that I'm not used to feeling. There's a really good

[00:59:05] analogy that I heard once for memories where so I might have told this before I'm sure

[00:59:11] it's like so you're in the middle and then your memories are like colored dots all around you

[00:59:16] and then the saturation of the dot is how well you remember it so they're all there

[00:59:22] and like the more you think about it the stronger the saturation gets so it's like all

[00:59:25] these memories are still there they're just pale and far away so the second you use something

[00:59:31] to reignite them they're bright again.

[01:00:01] Fiddling Filbert, conniving Kevin and bamboozling Bertie

[01:00:05] was arrested today by the police on charges of fraud, embezzlement and generally not being nice.

[01:00:14] Members of the public who've been duped by his I'm a Lord scam are advised that all of his checks

[01:00:21] are worthless. They are 100% rubber and will bounce to Kingdom come

[01:00:29] and that includes yours Dave. Sorry. Can I actually have a quick question before we move on? Yeah

[01:00:36] why is the Basil Brush the same Basil Brush as the old one or is it a new puppet? It's a new puppet

[01:00:43] new clothes so he wears in new one. I like his old clothes more. I don't know what his old clothes

[01:00:48] look like. They're like a darker tweed. Okay. I mean it wouldn't have made as much sense

[01:00:52] in that house but like it's not like a brilliant suit. Yeah he's wearing a tweed green. I love

[01:00:59] all his little outfits. I love his little outfits as well. I love them. So he usually wears the

[01:01:06] green suit and then you know if there's an episode where it's all based on decorating,

[01:01:12] if they're decorating he's wearing overalls. Yeah. I love them. But in the Liam season

[01:01:20] so Liam replaced Stephen in the last two seasons. Basil's cutting about the house in like a hoodie

[01:01:26] and I'm like sorry no I don't think so. He wears a suit. I do not. I don't think so.

[01:01:34] Excuse me? What? Yeah that and the increased animation sections are why the later seasons

[01:01:41] are not as good. What do we think? Guess my vote. Mine too. He's cute.

[01:01:48] I still prefer the singing wabbit. Oh shut up. Well uh Liam, Liam that settled in. You've got the job.

[01:01:57] You must be thrilled. Oh I am yeah but uh what job? The job has comedy sidekick

[01:02:08] that you've just auditioned for. You've got all wrong. I'm just passing through. I'm looking

[01:02:12] for a distant cousin of mine, a fellow by the name of Stephen. So you're not an actor? An actor?

[01:02:20] I can knock my way out of a wet paper bag. Neither could your predecessor.

[01:02:35] I mean just a quick. Liam is not this sort of gentle wet white character. He's not Stephen.

[01:02:43] He is antagonistic with Basil so watching them to snipe each other. At least the episodes I saw.

[01:02:49] Oh no Stephen does do that with Basil. There's many moments where they almost end up you know

[01:02:55] there's a lot of violence in the show. Characters hit each other, Basil gets strangled a lot.

[01:03:00] It just felt like the relationship between Liam and Basil was like sour. Yeah it wasn't as like

[01:03:06] sweet friends. But do they still share a bunk bed like he did with Liam and with Stephen?

[01:03:11] Well the fuck why would they? Why does Basil have the ability to go into their dreams?

[01:03:17] It's weird because with Stephen it was like sharing a bunk bed with your life long mate and with

[01:03:22] Liam it was like sharing a bunk bed with this relative stranger. Yeah because in his first

[01:03:27] episodes they were auditioning sidekicks which is why Liam's there. I think he's also a cousin

[01:03:34] of Stephen. Hopefully because these kids parents are gallivanting through the Himalayas for

[01:03:40] fucking years so hopefully it's another relative? Yeah the kids grow up on the show.

[01:03:47] There's an episode where something I've always remembered from the show that I thought was a

[01:03:51] really funny joke was Molly wasn't in it for some time and Child Molly says I'm going to the

[01:03:58] shops and milk I may be some time and she comes back a few years later like like a dad.

[01:04:03] Like a dad running away from home. I've got to buy some cigarettes and you don't see him

[01:04:06] for 20 years. Not quite but yeah. I did tell you I'd be a while. I love Molly's clothes.

[01:04:14] It's the some of the stuff reminded me of my parents are aliens. Yeah yeah yeah the clothes.

[01:04:19] Yeah yeah yeah of course and the rainbow clothing the tassels. Why is she wearing a choker?

[01:04:25] Yeah like no not even a choker like a collar. Like a full on thick collar. That's what they

[01:04:30] think of women in this show. Yeah hate them. No no no no no this fox is not launching himself

[01:04:37] anywhere in any field especially that tarted up old tin can. But guys you've yet to meet

[01:04:45] Svetlana. Svetlana? Yeah she's one in the astronaut training programme. Svetlana want to come in?

[01:05:02] Yeah so what happens is the way that they get Basil and Steven to partake in the shenanigans

[01:05:13] usually Dave's shenanigans is the introduction of a beautiful woman. So just for example

[01:05:20] in the episode where they go to space they need two idiots to test the rocket out on

[01:05:26] them. They're not going to do it until the astronaut train a person is a beautiful woman.

[01:05:32] That's and that is how it goes for most of the episodes. You won't be seeing either of us in any

[01:05:39] stupid gym. Nah. Yeah I mean what possible earthly pleasure can anyone get out and make

[01:05:46] themselves all hot and sweaty? I don't know. Can you imagine anything more ridiculous than all

[01:05:53] that flesh squashed and squeezed into a hanky sized bit of elastic? Yeah just imagine.

[01:06:04] I mean all that beastly bending and sweaty stretching all that unnecessary jigging about

[01:06:10] I mean you could end up pulling something couldn't you? Yeah you could.

[01:06:15] You're certainly hope so. Right I'm off. Where are you going? To get a little then down to the gym.

[01:06:23] There's lots of like daydream sequences that's just Steven like on an island surrounded by beautiful

[01:06:29] women. There's just so much of it. So much of a woman walking through the door and they're just

[01:06:36] suddenly interested cartoon wolves. I need to point out that in the first episode that me and

[01:06:40] Elsie watched together there was a page three joke. It was a funny joke but I mean the fact

[01:06:47] that it was it's that pantomime logic of like that'll go over the kids heads but basically

[01:06:52] he says there's a real fox on page three and it cuts to page three and it's a real fox.

[01:06:59] Yeah oh my god here's the thing you say it'll go over the heads of children. Did

[01:07:05] you guys ever just stumble upon a son uh the son? No but you rang the babe station.

[01:07:11] But I knew what it was because it had been suggested that I shouldn't look on page three.

[01:07:18] I mean not that any of my family have the son laying around their house but you know.

[01:07:22] So some of my family had the son laying around their house and it's like oh I'll read

[01:07:26] like sometimes I would like to like my parents didn't like it was never at my house right

[01:07:32] but I would occasionally read the newspaper don't know why talk to child Laura

[01:07:36] and I remember picking up the newspaper's house at my grandparents house and being like

[01:07:40] oh I don't think I was supposed to see that I'm gonna go in a different room. It's such a weird

[01:07:46] part of British culture isn't it? Is it still a thing? Yes yes but they're slightly more clothed now.

[01:07:53] I remember I can't remember which comedian this is from but they were like I think that

[01:07:59] like jury duty page three should be like you get it through the mail everyone has to do it once.

[01:08:09] But that is one of the less egregious instances of sexism because it's I don't know what it's making

[01:08:17] more of a joke on British culture rather than the actual well it's a joke about foxes really.

[01:08:24] If you boil it down it is actually a joke and I think and the fact that it's the fact that

[01:08:38] where we're like oh okay um

[01:08:42] when have you ever actually been out with a female of the opposite gender? I've had loads of girlfriends

[01:08:48] well there was Delilah notes

[01:08:55] she was my first love sadly it didn't last oh what happened she broke it off

[01:09:05] let's explain to your neck if it's a sense in fact we me and Elsie reacted very strongly

[01:09:10] to one thing once and Laura came through we had to list all the things that had gone wrong in the

[01:09:16] episode there's a lot of fatphobia there's an episode just just one that I'm bringing to mind

[01:09:24] where Molly's getting bullied by a girl called Big Gladys I do think that the name Big Gladys is

[01:09:29] quite funny but when they said she actually says I'm being bullied by Gladys then she turns

[01:09:34] to the camera and looks into your soul and goes she's called Gladys

[01:09:41] Big Gladys everyone's frightened though even the teachers I see she's you

[01:09:48] come on it has to be the camera angle Big Gladys and I laughed but I was like oh no we're gonna

[01:09:56] see something really bad because it's it's fatphobic and then it's also there's not a word for

[01:10:00] like making fun of socio-economic status she's dressed like a calf right she's dressed like a

[01:10:06] stereotypical child she's got like big hoop earrings she's got her hair like really like pulled into a

[01:10:12] really tight pony also the actress is is like at least 15 to 20 years older than the actress playing

[01:10:17] Molly oh she's probably older than Steven and she's really tall as well and was wearing lifts

[01:10:23] there's a close up on her feet when she like marches into Annals calf and it's like oh she's

[01:10:28] wearing something because I was like you know what you could you could vary with those shoes you

[01:10:32] not got much to just push her she'll fall right over yeah oh yeah you think you can just throw

[01:10:37] your somewhat considerable weight around and no one will stand up to you well I'm standing up to

[01:10:42] you because I'm happy I've got friends and people who care for me while all you've got is a backside

[01:10:48] of cactus needles a gross work problem and a hairy top knick

[01:10:54] that's a very hurtful thing to say waxing will help so that so yeah the sexism is it does go to show

[01:11:03] that you can be a bully if you're fat you can you can do anything you want yeah don't

[01:11:10] don't but don't be a bully but you know one way of looking at it so there's lots of like

[01:11:16] offhand mentions of like someone is fat someone whatever there's lots of day dreaming about women

[01:11:25] in spandex it's kind of like I feel like maybe should we explain why it is bad that there is lots of

[01:11:32] day dreaming about women in spandex well I do people get it I mean I guess the only

[01:11:38] contextualizing it as a kid show what you're doing is showing to young people

[01:11:42] children the objectifying women to such an extent objectifying women as the purpose of you doing

[01:11:49] anything in life is fine which I don't I mean I suppose whatever gets you at the house but be nice

[01:11:55] about it I don't know yeah it would one instance of this would be like oh whatever but it is

[01:12:01] just you can't you can't breathe for moments of like couldn't do that now but it's also like

[01:12:08] the value of women in this show is purely based on how attractive they are because like there's one

[01:12:13] teacher that when we first see her she's dressed kind of dowdy and then like everything she's saying

[01:12:18] is unimportant until she's dressed nice and she looks nice and then suddenly what she's saying

[01:12:23] is important yeah so it's it's it's teaching people that the value of women is on their beauty

[01:12:29] yeah which is not a good lesson for children it's just how many scenes did we have to watch

[01:12:33] where you can actually see Steven's tongue rolling onto the floor

[01:12:42] meet brownhilda

[01:12:45] from sweden

[01:12:54] has she got a sister from sweden

[01:12:58] doesn't speak much english do you love

[01:13:02] he's snargin

[01:13:04] his eyes popping out of his head his heart beating out of his chest

[01:13:11] he's just a hopeless romance he's literally any woman and then there's one episode where oh my god

[01:13:19] I'm not even sure how to most delicately phrase this right just say it so it starts off

[01:13:25] it starts off with someone moving in upstairs that she knocks on the door she is dressed in the most

[01:13:33] stereotyped like like he went down to halloween town or party city and you picked up a gypsy costume

[01:13:39] right these show these gypsies trumps and thieves yeah because she's got that like the the headscarf

[01:13:44] on with the little like coins all over it so she jingles as she walks and like yeah and then

[01:13:50] she's like oh i've just moved in up i've just moved in i've put my caravan upstairs which is funny

[01:13:55] which is funny that is quite funny and then and then she does magic on steven and it's like

[01:14:01] you want to be better with women you want women all right i'm gonna give you that but be careful

[01:14:05] you're really gonna get what you want be careful what you wish for and then he wakes up the next

[01:14:09] day and he is in like a rick james kind of cosplay he is the black fay kind of kind of

[01:14:22] is behaving like if the the man one from boney m was cool instead of instead of goofy yeah but yeah

[01:14:33] yeah he's got big fake teeth in and a big afro and he's got like and his chest has an afro as well

[01:14:40] big jon travolta disco suit on and he's a little bit blacked up yes quite quite considering how pale

[01:14:48] he actually is quite blacked up the bloopers for that episode are really funny because he just can't

[01:14:53] help spitting his teeth out they just he can't do this line talking yeah and like yeah that's so that

[01:14:59] in this persona in this costume suddenly women find him absolutely irresistible well one way of

[01:15:06] looking at it is if you oh come on if you want to get women you have to be black white men

[01:15:12] have no rears then that's fetishizing black men no i'm yeah okay i'm not trying to fetishize black men

[01:15:19] but you know that's our cold open white white men no rears they're just they're just so unseasoned

[01:15:29] yeah no steven is the epitome of unseasoned though isn't he well might one of my favorite

[01:15:36] chickens he's chicken and rice mate yeah my favorite running joke in the show is they always

[01:15:44] refer like always call steven um wide faced they just always say he's got a wide face in fact one of

[01:15:52] the you know on set on screen for five seconds sort of characters says to him have you considered

[01:15:59] sleeping with your head in a vice what oh god and in the episode the first episode that doesn't have

[01:16:08] him in it they're telling madison like oh he's gone and she's like oh well we should arrange a funeral

[01:16:14] because it's like a misunderstanding yeah and davis says the big face three can't dead

[01:16:20] and there's another episode where basil accidentally gets engaged and he's gonna get

[01:16:24] married and they don't like the fiance and steven says if you're marrying that woman i can't i'm sorry

[01:16:30] i can't be your best man and basil says making me choose between a bloke with a wide face

[01:16:37] and the woman i love so funny because he's got such a normal face isn't that just an episode of

[01:16:45] the peep show yeah maybe accidentally getting engaged and having to get married yeah whoops

[01:16:50] so many shows it's just you know if you guys just talked to each other yeah but there's so much

[01:16:56] talking going on in this show no they actually do talk there's not that a lot of misunderstanding

[01:17:01] happening there's a lot of just just wires just hijinks yeah shall we talk about anil

[01:17:07] is the answer is no no i must be murder agreeing to this but uh yeah okay

[01:17:31] yeah i want the ones i watched there wasn't much of him there was one where

[01:17:37] they're trying to get steven a job no liam liam a job and anil is nicely describing what a dentist

[01:17:46] does and then they're like you know what because anil's like oh i um i am a bad cafe

[01:17:53] runner but i could have been a bad dentist i would have made so much more money

[01:17:57] think about anil he's really funny and i really like him really funny and he is the only other

[01:18:02] character uh that apart from basil that makes intentionally makes really bad like puns

[01:18:11] i don't know why that matters but he he has a similar like him and anil

[01:18:17] basil and anil get along very well and there's another running joke that it's a horrible

[01:18:21] cafe and that he runs it very badly so i'm a bad cafe owner but i could have been a bad dentist

[01:18:27] he gets a lot of things wrong like you get he misunderstands a lot of things he's the coast

[01:18:32] clear i don't know i can't see any ghost in fact i can't see anything with these specs on

[01:18:41] or why are you wearing them then i thought they'd get a laugh let's face it the show could do with

[01:18:45] a few i've already told you lot now pack it in who you're hiding from anyway molly and illa

[01:18:53] ought to be more precise a couple of monstrous health freaks who just so happened to look like molly

[01:18:58] and illa oh right yeah like in that film zombie body snatchers from basing stoke they took over

[01:19:04] the whole town though i've been there and frankly i'm not sure it wouldn't be an improvement

[01:19:08] nice ring lord though and what are you talking about i don't know should i put my specs back

[01:19:14] on um he does play very much plays the naughty's ethnic character asian person in a position of

[01:19:26] service i mean the own i guess how can person of color yeah and there is an episode where

[01:19:32] and like yeah fine call us the woke please if you want we got you got to talk about it it's on

[01:19:45] calls anil anal more demis oh thank you anal

[01:19:53] it's pronounced in ill hello i know basil and it's on kids tv and they play the anal joke

[01:20:05] we did laugh we did laugh yeah do the do they then make fun of that like the other characters

[01:20:10] they make fun of it or is it actually they more they're more like you can't say that okay but it

[01:20:16] feels very much like a low blow to be pronounced mispronouncing the asian character's name as anal

[01:20:24] and a lot i know a lot of people are gonna say oh you know it's a harmless bit of fun it's a

[01:20:28] harmless bit of fun he i gotta talk about it anyway in many ways a lot of what goes on on

[01:20:34] the show is harm it's not harmless i don't think it's a cumulative effect of it it's a cumulative

[01:20:41] effect of it and it's it what what are you so uh in the 2000s when i went to school there were a few

[01:20:49] first second generation immigrants in our class and if you learn from basil brush if you go

[01:20:55] home you watch these things you learn that it's okay to take the piss out of people's names

[01:20:59] who are slightly different from yours i what i think what i'm trying to say is that a lot of

[01:21:03] it doesn't feel like malicious intent malicious intent is different from whether or not it's harmful

[01:21:09] or not yeah and that is not for us i guess not for us as three white girls to decide whether this

[01:21:16] is harmful or not true you can make that own decision and your own decision and if you're

[01:21:21] you practice then you know but the thing is it's a it's a it's a joke to to the on the show

[01:21:28] but it is it'll be a reality for a lot of asian people with asian names who've grown up in the

[01:21:35] uk with people not being able to pronounce their names and it's an easy cheap joke to make on a show

[01:21:43] and there are a lot of things get said there's a lot of like fat phobic jokes a lot of misogynistic

[01:21:49] jokes a lot of um anti traveler jokes as it turns out and there are words that it's not

[01:21:59] we've grown up thinking or like the ways that we've grown up it's like we don't say those words

[01:22:05] and it's very jarring to hear going like something from so long ago that is i guess not really

[01:22:13] stood the test of time my point is that you might be listening to this thinking oh it's nothing

[01:22:20] it's probably it's probably not even replayed that often now it is what it is it's a product of

[01:22:25] its time it is a product of its time but there are so many ways to be funny without you know kicking

[01:22:35] people while they're down right don't punch down punch yeah there's so many there are so many

[01:22:39] ways to be funny and the show knows that because it is funny in lots and lots and lots of ways and

[01:22:45] we laughed a lot watching it i especially think in kids tv there's so many ways to be funny without

[01:22:51] targeted groups and people because like we've watched so many kids shows where that's never an

[01:22:56] issue and they're still funny and there are ways to make jokes like the ones that the show makes

[01:23:03] in a more self-aware you know this is a ridiculous thing to say kind of way like i'm not saying

[01:23:10] taking the piss out of the Joker rather than the subject yeah and i'm not saying that comedy shouldn't

[01:23:15] push boundaries i'm saying that eight year olds don't get that they're not fully grown adults

[01:23:21] you know what they're learning from that is that it's okay for me to make fun of someone

[01:23:24] who's slightly different from me yeah in that scene where she calls him anal almost immediately

[01:23:32] after and this made me and meg actually scream we rewound it we we paused it and we just

[01:23:40] turned to look at each other like did we hear that and he was right i've only gone and sold the whole

[01:23:46] collection to sammy wide sammy wide md pikey sportswear it's hot man big rag tried name

[01:23:56] he's got global distribution from bagging him to slough wow

[01:24:00] yeah um we couldn't believe it it feels outdated to us i there might there may be people who are

[01:24:11] you know who live in like travel communities who use this word and it might just be

[01:24:18] surprising to us because we've been taught not to use that word it could be wrong it

[01:24:24] it could be fine to use that word i don't think the show knows that right no so it is it's very hard

[01:24:30] for us to make it i'm not the word police but either way you don't hear it on telly you don't

[01:24:35] know that's the point you don't hear on telly and we heard it on a kids show this is so shocked

[01:24:40] she's very likely that there's there's many words where it's like the people in that community

[01:24:45] are free to use whatever words about themselves they want to use but people outside the community

[01:24:50] they it has a history of being derogatory so people outside the community using it

[01:24:56] has this dark history no matter what the intent behind the word is but you saying as an outsider

[01:25:01] with this long history of it being a hateful way of talking about people shouldn't then be using

[01:25:06] it yeah it's it's i don't yeah it is it is a very hard discussion to have and i'm grateful

[01:25:15] for basal brush opening i mean we've never we've never tackled fat phobia on a show before

[01:25:21] it's amazing that we've got this fire and not considering the 2000s is amazing and i don't

[01:25:27] think the show is being purposefully malicious but i do think some of its attitudes goes to fuel

[01:25:33] a lot of the a lot of these people it's like i don't want to try i want to be lazy and be

[01:25:40] how i've always been and never improve myself or think about other people oh you wouldn't

[01:25:44] get away with that now no you wouldn't that's why it happened then and it didn't happen now

[01:25:50] you couldn't make it now well no because you'd be sued for copyright and i just i do think it's

[01:25:57] weird obviously we have a different attitude to women now but like

[01:26:04] i have a different attitude to women now than when i was three

[01:26:09] um i just it's just it's just very interesting because you watch kids tv and it's like you're

[01:26:14] doing some really really adult themes in my opinion not like it they depicted a hangover

[01:26:20] in basal brush which i don't think you're allowed to do now i could be wrong but i don't

[01:26:24] think you are i feel like that should be allowed because that's the reality of having parents

[01:26:28] they're gonna be hung over sometimes well yeah but there's lots of realities of having parents

[01:26:32] shouldn't be on telly there's actually one episode that me and laura watched together i don't know if

[01:26:38] you saw it else but um it was there was it was basically like um dav was running the family

[01:26:46] business and he gave molly money because she was making cakes or cookies or biscuits or

[01:26:53] something like that and the whole the whole show was it was like the family was making money

[01:27:02] through drugs yeah it yeah the the the biscuits were i'd like to watch this where a euphemism

[01:27:08] were like we're basically like there is a euphemism in place of drugs yeah and because there was

[01:27:13] like cook some cakes oh i've got an order from anil about a new batch of rock cakes as soon as

[01:27:18] pos i can't make any more cakes i've got no ingredients well um bop down at the shop

[01:27:24] and get yourself something it should be enough oh please mo i promised him well you can cook them

[01:27:31] you have a hard bargain night is tight as that yeah there was a columbia joke wasn't there

[01:27:37] oh my god do you remember what the columbia joke was um no did anyone get their toenails ripped off

[01:27:46] jesus no i didn't go that hard but um was it he was going to see a man about columbian something

[01:27:52] or like i think it was a columbia it was a name of someone i think it's like columbian steve

[01:27:57] or something i don't know if it was this is so see this is one of the reasons that i like the show

[01:28:03] a lot and that is it is very very i think if you do it in a sort of like tongue-in-cheek kind of way

[01:28:08] where it's still funny even if as a child you don't have the context context of what drug traders

[01:28:13] like that that's still kind of funny these like kids him wearing a suit him handing off a

[01:28:18] watercash with sister to buy the ingredients for cake it that's funny and no one's hurt it's the

[01:28:25] it's i didn't realize this until i was watching it in the last few days but i remembered suddenly

[01:28:32] where i learned the word watershed so steve and asked how do i look and basil said is it after

[01:28:37] the watershed oh i can't tell you and i i think i remember asking my mum what's the water

[01:28:44] shed she said everything that's allowed to be shown on tv after nine o'clock and then i knew

[01:28:49] so it's educational isn't it yeah i just quick i said i love the concept of the watershed

[01:28:54] like i actually really like that we have that in british tally because it doesn't exist on radio

[01:28:58] by the way no radio watershed i guess that makes sense uh because like i've watched tv in sygapore

[01:29:04] and then like i've also which and then like also us tv that's because they don't have that it's all

[01:29:09] sanitized there's no swearing ever right in sygapore we um so snatch was on at three o'clock

[01:29:18] and um for whatever reason so bits that had too many swears were cut out except for one long bit

[01:29:27] i guess they decided it was too important for the plot but they so they just muted the bits that

[01:29:32] they didn't want you here except for the word cunt because presumably the person doing it didn't know

[01:29:38] what that word was maybe wow so that's actually so funny it would be like a string of words where

[01:29:45] it's like a sentence cut full of f**ks and then suddenly cunt it's like what what

[01:29:53] i must say it's been a real emotional roller coaster of a show today chaps in many ways like the course

[01:30:02] of true love itself that's deep bezel really deep like a trench or a hole in the road or something

[01:30:14] i hope you've learned something molly yeah boys are really stupid ah but not as foxes

[01:30:22] no you're really really stupid

[01:30:29] that's nice like a boiled sweet or an egg would appear a fluffy slippers

[01:30:35] is there any common sense media for this i looked there was none that's amazing i was amazed i searched

[01:30:47] for basil brush on mum's net nothing i think they were all just like thinking of the old right but yeah

[01:30:54] no nothing we let them get away with wow everything they hate pepper but no i know yeah so bits that

[01:31:01] i liked um there's a bit when they're in the indiana jones bit and they're like oh no a loose

[01:31:09] rolling stone and someone comes round dressed as that's that's mick jagger yeah mick jagger and

[01:31:16] like there's like a little dance break and then steven's like that was actually quite funny that one

[01:31:20] i don't think the kids will get it but that is funny so that was funny uh what else oh i actually

[01:31:27] didn't make as many notes as i thought even though i was laughing a lot oh uh this is just

[01:31:33] slightly going back to the woman thing but in the the last in the bit at the end they're

[01:31:39] always ending the day with basil and steven in their bunk beds and basil's trying to distract

[01:31:43] steven he goes look is that britney spears on a trampoline and i'm just like oh my gosh i'll just

[01:31:49] kill myself like i've had i've had half an hour of this are we not done are we not fucking finished

[01:31:56] poor britney leave britney alone she's been through enough oh i haven't watched that in such a long

[01:32:03] there's an episode called dave swap where dave takes place

[01:32:10] it's wife swap but with dave's she did you guys ever watched wife swap yeah yeah actually but it was

[01:32:18] dave swap and they swapped their daves i like that i like a different family see like comedy or

[01:32:23] weird she like that in british culture i'm all here for very funny oh there's an episode where

[01:32:29] we find out that annelle straight up has a child slave yeah you said that earlier and i was like

[01:32:34] oh wait wait oh the fucking thing when dav he's rewarding someone i think basil for something

[01:32:43] and he just goes would you take a check and he snaps his fingers and a check like a guy from

[01:32:50] the check republic appears oh yes i remember that one yeah he's like trade he's he's in the human

[01:32:57] trade yeah yeah yeah it's like your magic and your traffic magic trafficking yeah

[01:33:07] this is pablo and he's from prod he'll go far that boy there's i like all the stuff where the crew

[01:33:16] members are just walking on to set to like give them stuff or like call for breaks sometimes

[01:33:23] that's really funny they have scripts they have they are holding scripts it's amazing

[01:33:28] i really enjoy it there's yeah when he has a child slave basically annelle is um sat with them and

[01:33:36] they're eating soup and like annelle this is actually really good and he's like i didn't make

[01:33:40] who did well it's been five seasons he was making all this stuff and then a girl comes in like pulling

[01:33:47] a giant rock behind her wow tasty totally annelle i must have the recipe what's in it i ain't got a clue

[01:33:59] what do you mean you cooked it no i never i just pretended so i could wear the crown

[01:34:07] well who did she did

[01:34:12] i've lost some more potatoes boss good and don't forget the washing up

[01:34:18] and then toilets need cleaning and when you finish them i'm not your uncle i'm hers

[01:34:35] she's annelle's niece and that's the introduction of a new character yes i did think that that was

[01:34:39] that was also something notable to talk about is that they um it's almost like

[01:34:46] madison forces adoption on basal have you seen that episode yes i've seen that episode he takes her in

[01:34:54] he takes her in but it's he doesn't want to she's framed like a like a little homeless girl yeah

[01:35:03] that he does a street child yeah but she's not she lives under annelle's sink she's an urchin

[01:35:10] and basal sees that she's an urchin and isn't interested in looking at the service of sorry

[01:35:18] the duty of care she's literally like wearing a sack and she's got dirt on her face you know

[01:35:22] what a Victorian urchin yes if steven had still been in it at that point he'd have taken her in

[01:35:27] because he was well yeah what was he like 25 and his much older brother went around the world

[01:35:35] and said have my two kids you're jobless this will work yeah yeah where's i'm presuming the money

[01:35:41] is all coming from dave and basal yeah i feel like it's basal's old money yeah show money yeah

[01:35:48] show business show business yeah the money from back in the day and then dave making all the

[01:35:52] fresh money there's an episode where they're all gonna go broke like they have the family

[01:35:59] themselves having like financial trouble and they do like that there's a big spreadsheet and they're

[01:36:06] all like working on ways on how they can all make money and it doesn't end in it ends with

[01:36:11] steven in hospital because of debt collectors and it doesn't get resolved the bailiffs around

[01:36:18] the bailiffs with bats it's more like body snatchers so he comes around with like a sore

[01:36:24] have i ever told you the story of obviously i wasn't there no i wasn't there this is a

[01:36:30] my boyfriend's story but he says that when he was a kid he has he has a really vivid memory

[01:36:36] of him and his brother and sister all lined up at the window watching their dad grab grab a guy

[01:36:45] by the throat and push him up against a cart because his mum had failed to pay several like

[01:36:54] like speeding fines or something or like i don't know if she got done because the car didn't have

[01:36:59] an mot or wasn't taxed or something but she'd failed to pay a fine several times and there was

[01:37:05] like quite a lot of money racking up on this fight and the guy and a guy came around to the

[01:37:08] house and he said that they were all like at the window laughing watching their dad push his guy

[01:37:16] up against the car this sounds like some shit my granddad would do yeah they said that he didn't come

[01:37:22] round again meg said to me when i came home today um she's watched so much basil brush and

[01:37:27] she still doesn't feel like she's scratched the surface of it and i i feel the same i always

[01:37:32] always feel like i've not done enough research for a for an episode mind we watched all of funny

[01:37:38] bones oh that's true but that's yeah because there's we can't do anymore yeah there's so much

[01:37:44] basil brush and so much of it is like there's really funny bits in each episode amongst

[01:37:51] the awful nerves yeah and i feel like we there's so much more for us to talk about but we can't

[01:37:58] just list jokes so there you go that's our episode if you like go watch some show like i

[01:38:05] watched some of the old ones in the comments on the old ones are just people in the cup no

[01:38:10] no funny comments i was hoping for some wit but it was just people going oh this is the best

[01:38:14] show ever this is the best show i loved this and it's like no one's gonna make any jokes no

[01:38:19] because there's new ones to this it's funny yes but if you do want some jaw dropping moments

[01:38:24] if i can't believe that made it on to telly i can't believe that made onto kids telly definitely go

[01:38:29] and watch it because it is very entertaining yeah there's like there's funny bits but like be prepared

[01:38:33] to be a little uncomfortable yeah be prepared to clutch your pearls clutch your pearls yeah

[01:38:39] guard your lines guard your lines if i can't believe that there was a page three joke on

[01:38:43] kids tv so how did this i can't believe how is this bbc how is this getting passed what's it

[01:38:50] fucking called here off-com i can't believe that in the same scene they said anal and pikey

[01:38:55] i can't believe that there was no common sense media complaints there's so much but then again the same

[01:39:01] people that um complain about things like peppa pig also love dunking on minorities them

[01:39:08] mums of mums net their mums of mums net yeah they love that shit it's the mums that they're

[01:39:15] anti-woke so the caron collective yeah the carons okay weird that the carons would love

[01:39:22] buzzlebrush i'm painting with a very very broad wide brush and even though we were a little

[01:39:26] scandalised by things we saw we we kind of i kind of love that it exists oh yeah laura did say

[01:39:35] what did you say you think kids should have more ugly stuff well so yeah because i i think i said

[01:39:40] this about dick and dom because the the puppets in that are like i think i have an issue with how

[01:39:46] everything today has to be perfect and pretty and pristine when it's like that's just the social

[01:39:54] media filter over everything right it's like that's not real and this was talking up to kids it wasn't

[01:39:59] talking down to them yeah there doesn't there's not really anything like basal brush yeah basal

[01:40:04] isn't a beautiful puppet nothing in this show is pristine do you want to talk about the spin-offs

[01:40:11] you had some intersight didn't you what was it called it was it was spot shop with basal

[01:40:16] brush yeah they brought back swap shop and basal brush was one of the presenters it felt very

[01:40:20] much like they were trying to have another dick and dom moment and it just wasn't happening

[01:40:24] i mean he's just because he's like not a public figure but the way that like puppets do kind of

[01:40:30] exist in the public consciousness yeah they exist as celebrities so you know he was on

[01:40:35] the weakest link he's shown up on chat shows he was on the last leg you know he's done the rounds

[01:40:42] he's done the media rounds because that's what these characters do and i i love that about culture

[01:40:49] i love that jim henson gave us that yeah it was just i watched firstly the episodes are now

[01:40:55] long bonkers yeah they are a whole lot of swap shop a bit like how dick and dom in the bungalow

[01:41:02] was long oh yeah that's because it was a saturday morning thing like it's a reboot of an old yeah

[01:41:07] no i do i do get that but i when i started watching i was like this is 55 minutes long what i mean i didn't

[01:41:13] finish one no uh bernard what was his name barnie harward barnie looked so bored yeah he doesn't

[01:41:22] really look like he wants to be there he never does does he there were like moments where it like

[01:41:27] there was one moment in i watched like a bit of two different episodes where it cut back to him and he'd

[01:41:33] been clearly making jokes with potentially the the guy playing basil where he looked like he was

[01:41:39] having a bit of fun but every single other second he was on screen disassociating he's so bored

[01:41:46] and i i feel like it's a weird conceit of like hey kids um send us stuff we'll send you different stuff

[01:41:56] yeah there was this one kid who was like i sent in a microscope um what i would like is something

[01:42:02] that's not sciencey just any swap shop yeah it was it was just it was just weird and i hadn't

[01:42:07] heard for the long i haven't heard for like 15 years uh the like call on your landline it's

[01:42:13] this standard thing and if you call on my mobile it will be considerably more i haven't heard that in

[01:42:18] such a long time barnie harward loves puppets isn't he i think they were probably the reason that they

[01:42:22] like to get him in with because he interacts with puppets as if they were people yeah he's he

[01:42:27] has no no problem like i think sometimes uh actors and stuff or presenters can interact with them

[01:42:34] knowing that they're puppets never a problem in basil brush and the chat the charm with barnie

[01:42:40] harward is he talks to never the bear like it's a person and he's clearly not he's clearly he's

[01:42:46] a bad you don't say he's a bad that's not all that he well he sleeps in the bed with him he does yeah

[01:42:54] in fact interestingly bear bear behaving badly was the we run a poll at oh yeah bear behaving

[01:43:02] badly and buzzer brush and you guys wanted to buzzer brush more but we will do bear

[01:43:06] behaving badly because it was actually a really funny show it was i'm i was annoyed at first that

[01:43:11] everyone voted for basil brush even though i liked it i was just like oh it's just gonna take more effort

[01:43:17] to do but i'm actually really glad we did it because i've had a great time watching it

[01:43:23] what a day mr steven you can say that again thanks for the offer but once was enough if you

[01:43:30] don't mind yeah yeah you asked me you had a never squeak there i really thought she was the one

[01:43:37] yeah and her loony father thought i was the one good about a double wedding

[01:43:44] it's not funny and it's probably illegal too

[01:43:47] no just forget about it get asleep good night basil 99 mr steven well aren't you gonna end

[01:43:59] the show with a rubbish chicken joke nope but nothing egg straudnery where the yolks are more

[01:44:06] no i'm too tired but people expect it wouldn't be the same go on no get lost

[01:44:17] rubbish chicken juki how could he think eddie's ought to something that cheap

[01:44:23] covered quite a lot of the big ones so far on this series and we've got a few more big ones

[01:44:38] left to do yeah which is exciting so stay tuned for that i've been elsey i've been meg i've been laura

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[01:45:13] yeah me too solid trunk i definitely enjoyed making this episode more than i thought i would

[01:45:19] base on some of my opinions of the show that always happens though yeah it does so i knew

[01:45:25] we weren't gonna run out of things to talk about might be this this while we had some

[01:45:29] similar overlapping issues this show did not make me angry like heads did yeah yes that's the other

[01:45:37] one where we went all woke because that show made me that is actually yeah i mean russel brand is in

[01:45:43] referenced at all in it that i know what's true i know well he's definitely not in it yeah just

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