Comedian Jack Campbell's Desert Island Matches

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to When Football Began Again, the podcast that gets the Premier League's

[00:00:26] baby photos out and remembers how cute he used to be.

[00:00:31] Today's show is a Desert Island Matcher special with a friend and comedian Jack Campbell.

[00:00:37] Jack is a lovely, lovely man. He comes and picks his favourite memorable matches. More

[00:00:43] on that in a moment. Before we do that though, thank you to everybody who's joining the

[00:00:49] show after James Green's episode last week where we looked at alternative football

[00:00:55] history. I know that one or two people have been in touch and said they bought that as

[00:00:59] well so I hope you're enjoying that as well. Lots of fun there. We did also pick the Premier

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[00:01:30] So, let's get on with today's show with Jack Campbell. Jack and I go way back.

[00:01:37] We covered this quite a bit during the show. Jack's brain works in wonderful ways.

[00:01:41] I don't think I've spoken about this many games of football in one hour as I

[00:01:46] have put together across the entire series. It's incredible. Jack just has this memory

[00:01:52] where he plucks memories out from different games that mean something to him.

[00:01:56] This show could have been two hours long, I'm pretty sure. I don't remember quite

[00:02:02] how many matches I actually managed to nail Jack down to where he gave me one match

[00:02:07] he takes to his desert island. However, it's still a lot of fun. He's also one

[00:02:10] of these people who doesn't really have a favourite team. He just loves football

[00:02:14] and I think that comes across. So, let's get on with it. Without further ado, this

[00:02:20] is Desert Island Matches with the comedian Jack Campbell. Enjoy.

[00:02:28] Joining me today is a former English comedian of the year and current

[00:02:32] hilarious and very charming man, Jack Campbell. Jack, how are you mate?

[00:02:37] Hello Karl.

[00:02:38] What I normally do on the Desert Island Matches is start by finding out my

[00:02:44] guests favourite team and how they came to get that team. Now, you are one of

[00:02:49] those rare beasts, you're not the first we've had on the show, who

[00:02:51] doesn't particularly have a team. So tell me about your earliest football

[00:02:56] in memories and maybe how you missed the boat on having a team bestowed

[00:03:00] upon you. Growing up, I just wasn't that interested in it and I don't

[00:03:05] remember what it was. All my mates played, I would play, I think

[00:03:09] coordination wise, I just couldn't quite get it. But I'm saying

[00:03:13] coordination wise, I did gymnastics at an OK level. I went to the

[00:03:19] same place that Louis Smith went to and I think he's a little bit older

[00:03:23] than me, maybe a little bit younger, probably about the same age. So I

[00:03:26] did all these, my mum would make me do all these clubs, I think, as

[00:03:29] like a way of cheaper childcare. I did pottery with a bunch of elderly

[00:03:35] ladies and then I did aeromodelling with a bunch of elderly men. And

[00:03:38] this is all like in a village in Cambridge here. All my mates play

[00:03:41] football, we played football in school, I just didn't have that

[00:03:44] drive in me to care about it because also I'm not really

[00:03:47] competitive. And so and I tried and I think the first team that I

[00:03:51] decided I'm going to support them when I was little was Liverpool.

[00:03:55] But even then Liverpool seemed like, you know, like thousands of

[00:04:00] miles away, you know, and they're never going to play near here or

[00:04:04] whatever. So just wasn't wasn't interested. Normal mates played on

[00:04:07] teams and they all played rugby as well. And I just didn't, I think

[00:04:11] even from a very young age, it was quite different. Not better,

[00:04:15] just I think I didn't really like playing because I just wasn't good

[00:04:21] enough. So it was a bit stressful. I wasn't bothered about

[00:04:25] like the rough and tumble of it. I didn't care about that at all.

[00:04:29] Quite enjoyed that side of it. But I wasn't the fastest. I

[00:04:32] didn't have any technique because I didn't play for a young

[00:04:34] age. But I could just play for hours, like and I still have

[00:04:38] that now sometimes some of your previous guests on this podcast,

[00:04:41] like Alex Hilton, we played football together as adults doing

[00:04:44] a bit five aside. And I've been described as Jack, it's

[00:04:49] really hard to defend against you because you don't know what

[00:04:52] you're doing. How do you defend against someone who has

[00:04:55] no idea what they're doing? Sometimes I get lucky and have

[00:04:58] a good game. But in terms of like, energy wise, though, I'll

[00:05:02] just go and go and go. Even now my 30s, like me, my dad and my

[00:05:05] brother will go watch random football games together. Now,

[00:05:10] Saturday's 3pm. Do you ever leave for a gig early? I

[00:05:13] suppose it's difficult for you because you've actually got

[00:05:15] responsibilities, guys. But like, I'll leave for a gig

[00:05:18] early even if it's even if it's in Leicester. I'll leave

[00:05:21] at around 3pm so I can listen to it on the radio on

[00:05:25] talk or whatever. It's a perfect like two hours of all

[00:05:29] the scores coming in. I love that. But it took me a really

[00:05:33] long time to properly watch one whole game, even if I'd

[00:05:36] been to games live. I just struggled sitting there. I was

[00:05:40] a lot more interested in watching everything else other

[00:05:43] than the football. I found a way to enjoy watching it. I

[00:05:47] think because I like to talk. And so when you're up sat

[00:05:50] next to someone like, maybe it's a jealousy thing. And

[00:05:53] maybe it's a similar thing to comedy, where audiences,

[00:05:57] especially at weekend clubs, especially blokes get jealous

[00:06:00] that they're not allowed to talk as much. And so at

[00:06:03] football, I'm like, why is no one paying attention to

[00:06:05] me?

[00:06:06] Conveniently at football. I love it. We mentioned being

[00:06:09] a football neutral. Josh Pugh was on the show who's

[00:06:11] also football neutral. He said it has its downsides.

[00:06:13] He says he kind of doesn't feel that elation that his

[00:06:17] mates feel when they've won something. I mean, would

[00:06:19] you agree with that? Like what are the what are the

[00:06:21] pluses and minuses of not having the team that you're

[00:06:25] maybe emotionally invested in?

[00:06:28] I think with me because the neutrality of it is quite a

[00:06:32] recent acceptance. Like literally like this year, I

[00:06:36] finally accepted, oh, I just like it. I can't be

[00:06:38] bothered to follow one team. And growing up, when

[00:06:42] we were little, we didn't have a lot of Cambridge

[00:06:43] or Peterborough fans. We had a few. And I think

[00:06:46] because of its proximity where it wasn't too hard to

[00:06:48] get to London, there were quite a lot of Arsenal and

[00:06:51] Chelsea fans. And this is before Chelsea had won the

[00:06:55] league. But there was also loads of Man U and

[00:06:58] Liverpool fan. You know, odd pepperings of other

[00:07:02] teams in there. And I loved that. I was way more

[00:07:05] interested in. So all my mates supported Liverpool

[00:07:07] and Man United and would never go see them. That

[00:07:10] bothered me. I was like, well, why don't you go

[00:07:11] see them? So then this was around 2002, 2003. Just

[00:07:18] started just before I'd started playing football

[00:07:20] manager 2002. And Yeoville Town had recently gone on

[00:07:25] a run of getting promoted and promoted into the

[00:07:27] league, I think. And I liked the name. I thought

[00:07:30] that was a very silly name. I've never heard of

[00:07:32] Yeoville Town before. And so I was like, I'm

[00:07:34] going to follow them. That's going to be my

[00:07:36] team. I got a shirt and with like my name on

[00:07:40] the back and me, my dad and my brother would go

[00:07:43] watch Yeoville Town. And this probably went on

[00:07:45] for a good eight years. And then it was Yeoville

[00:07:48] for a while. But before that it was it was

[00:07:50] Liverpool.

[00:07:51] So the first match for you, Deserted Ireland is

[00:07:54] normally a Premier League game for your

[00:07:56] chosen favourite team as we discussed. You

[00:07:58] don't really have one. What would be the

[00:08:00] Premier League game you would watch forever

[00:08:03] more?

[00:08:03] I've gone for the Leicester. Originally,

[00:08:06] Carl, I set it over as 5-2. That should that's

[00:08:10] quite a good summary of my football. The five,

[00:08:13] it was 5-3. We just did a little off air

[00:08:19] digging. Leicester will have a soft spot for

[00:08:23] anyway, because I went to university here. I

[00:08:27] still live here. I went to a Leicester match,

[00:08:31] Leicester Middlesbrough and I was with all

[00:08:32] the Middlesbrough fans in like my first year

[00:08:34] of uni. And I love that I can hear it from

[00:08:37] my house when they're playing. I love all

[00:08:39] that. But that game was a sudden kind of so

[00:08:44] like my whole time I was at uni. And I

[00:08:46] think again, because I wasn't really that

[00:08:48] not fussed enough about football, I liked

[00:08:50] football just wasn't fussed enough for going

[00:08:53] to university to have a Premier League team

[00:08:58] in this university and I never really thought

[00:09:01] about it that much. And so it doesn't

[00:09:04] really have to be a Premier League

[00:09:05] Premiership team, but it's just something

[00:09:06] that makes it a little bit more exciting

[00:09:08] when you've only got 20, well not even 20

[00:09:10] cities have you because London and Birmingham

[00:09:12] and Manchester, but let's say 15 cities give

[00:09:17] or take spending on the season. And so

[00:09:20] Leicester always kind of kept an eye on

[00:09:22] them and they went all the way down to

[00:09:23] like League One and which does happen a

[00:09:26] lot. And so whenever there's arguments on

[00:09:29] sports things, that teams get relegated.

[00:09:31] Sometimes the ones that go all the way

[00:09:33] down to League One really sort themselves

[00:09:35] out. I think maybe that's sometimes that

[00:09:37] what needs to happen. Leeds did it, South

[00:09:38] Hampton did it, Norwich have done it

[00:09:41] several times. But there was something

[00:09:44] about that 5-3. I've gone to London

[00:09:48] and I've gone to go see my friend

[00:09:49] Matt who speaking about earlier Liverpool

[00:09:52] fan who now is a Cambridge fan. He was

[00:09:56] in London, I've gone to go see him,

[00:09:57] always liked to go see him. And we

[00:10:00] have a friend Lewis who supports

[00:10:01] Millwall as a joke against the guy who

[00:10:03] supports West Ham. Just in a pub, there

[00:10:05] was nothing at stake for the game

[00:10:08] because it was early enough in the

[00:10:08] season. I remember Leicester get

[00:10:12] promoted and not really being too

[00:10:15] aware but it was like it was one of

[00:10:17] those ones a bit like you know, the

[00:10:20] year after in school or whatever

[00:10:23] when you leave somewhere and then the

[00:10:24] year below get computers. That's what

[00:10:26] it felt like. So I was like, oh

[00:10:28] great now they're in the Premier

[00:10:29] League right okay and I think I've

[00:10:31] moved back to Cambridge here for

[00:10:34] about four years. What year did we

[00:10:36] say it was as if we decided?

[00:10:38] It was 2014 wasn't it? Yeah, 2014.

[00:10:42] September 2014. So there was

[00:10:45] something about it being this

[00:10:47] affinity for Leicester. Man United

[00:10:50] had always been this team, always

[00:10:53] winning but it never felt weirdly,

[00:10:56] it never felt boring with Man United

[00:10:58] I think because there was always

[00:10:59] enough of a gap between win, win,

[00:11:02] win and other team wins. It kept

[00:11:04] you interested. Man United it was

[00:11:07] just this thing and Leicester

[00:11:08] don't got to do that or whatever

[00:11:10] but like Man United being this

[00:11:13] team that is definitely possible to

[00:11:14] beat and signalling not just

[00:11:17] Leicester as like they can win

[00:11:20] because it signalled because I

[00:11:22] remember when they signed, I can

[00:11:24] never pronounce his name, the

[00:11:26] Japanese guy Okazaki and the one

[00:11:30] from Brighton from Argentina.

[00:11:34] Azoya yeah. Yeah and that seemed

[00:11:37] really exciting but like oh okay

[00:11:39] like because I think Brighton

[00:11:40] nearly got promoted that year

[00:11:41] so they got him and I think like

[00:11:43] Azoya scored some great goals

[00:11:45] and so like Leicester now had

[00:11:46] him too, it was like okay this

[00:11:47] is good and I was so probably

[00:11:49] getting to the point where I was

[00:11:49] just like I might end up supporting

[00:11:51] Leicester because this is just so

[00:11:52] exciting and then Cambiasso who I

[00:11:55] remember you could get on FIFA

[00:11:56] Street on PlayStation 2 and there

[00:11:58] was again something about this

[00:12:00] guy's like Leicester have got

[00:12:01] Cambiasso what is going on?

[00:12:03] But then that sometimes when it

[00:12:06] aligns perfectly of getting a 34

[00:12:10] 35 year old who can still do

[00:12:12] something and of course it being

[00:12:16] Jamie Vardy there of like

[00:12:19] who's this guy and like here

[00:12:21] in the stories in the news

[00:12:21] they got him from Fleetwood

[00:12:22] didn't they?

[00:12:23] Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:25] Leicester still had that so many

[00:12:28] of those players who had been

[00:12:30] with them from like League One

[00:12:32] but to beat Man United 5-3 big

[00:12:35] scoring game and not a you know

[00:12:39] it wasn't Leicester were up 5-0

[00:12:42] and then Man United scored

[00:12:42] three they were down 3-1.

[00:12:45] Down 3-1 and 2-0 yeah yeah

[00:12:47] yeah Vardy as you say Vardy

[00:12:48] really announces himself on the

[00:12:50] scene I think in that game.

[00:12:52] And it is one of those games as

[00:12:53] well where it's just like

[00:12:55] nothing to lose let's just go

[00:12:57] for it early in the season so

[00:12:59] you know and it was it seemed

[00:13:02] a real kickstart I remember not

[00:13:05] not too long ago like when

[00:13:06] Norwich beat Man City quite

[00:13:08] early in the season and it's

[00:13:09] kind of one of those ones

[00:13:10] were like that could that can

[00:13:13] do something for you early on

[00:13:15] season really carry you on

[00:13:17] but there's just something

[00:13:18] about being in that pub with

[00:13:19] my mate signaling that man

[00:13:21] United haven't got it anymore

[00:13:23] and the fact that they had

[00:13:24] Van Persie I love Van Persie I

[00:13:26] love his story that like both

[00:13:28] of his parents are artists

[00:13:30] right I didn't know that

[00:13:31] you don't know that no

[00:13:33] both his parents like his dad's

[00:13:34] like a sculptor and he

[00:13:35] grew up in a middle class

[00:13:37] part of Amsterdam went to a

[00:13:39] really good school but he was

[00:13:40] just so misbehaved at school

[00:13:42] and hated it and they were

[00:13:43] like really really worried about

[00:13:44] him and then we're just like

[00:13:45] fine go play football it's a

[00:13:47] bit like a reverse Billy

[00:13:48] Elliott yeah like his dad's

[00:13:50] just just with more looping

[00:13:52] headers yeah

[00:13:59] the second game for your

[00:14:00] deserted island is a non

[00:14:02] Premier League game you take

[00:14:03] with you to deserted island

[00:14:04] any game that's taken place

[00:14:06] outside of the English top

[00:14:08] flight what would you go for

[00:14:10] oh yeah so it must have

[00:14:12] been mentioned loads the

[00:14:14] Liverpool 2005 final that was

[00:14:17] one I think for me the

[00:14:19] switching on at 15 for some

[00:14:22] people that's mad that that

[00:14:23] took that long to switch on

[00:14:24] the joy of watching football

[00:14:26] at home when Ryan was there

[00:14:29] Milan up three nil and again

[00:14:31] I was just like I was I

[00:14:33] have memories of that around

[00:14:34] the same thing as the rugby

[00:14:36] World Cup was that 2003

[00:14:38] when England won that I was

[00:14:39] upstairs I didn't care enough

[00:14:41] about it whereas my rhyme

[00:14:42] was downstairs going mad for

[00:14:44] it but that one in Jersey

[00:14:46] Dudec doing the swaying

[00:14:48] around and stuff and that

[00:14:50] really was exciting and it

[00:14:52] also just shows I think it

[00:14:54] also made me learn that Ryan

[00:14:56] who had been a Man United

[00:14:57] fan all his life had a

[00:14:59] Man United mural up in his

[00:15:00] wall but how your goalposts

[00:15:04] can change depending on

[00:15:06] what's at stake so it was

[00:15:07] the fact that like it was

[00:15:08] an English team suddenly it

[00:15:10] doesn't matter whether it

[00:15:11] man United Liverpool but

[00:15:12] he's from Cambridgeshire

[00:15:13] you know that but then I've

[00:15:17] wrote on the things I put

[00:15:18] some cameos from John Terry

[00:15:19] crying junket John Terry

[00:15:20] wasn't crying at that game

[00:15:23] John Terry full kit Chelsea

[00:15:25] kit shows up Chelsea

[00:15:28] Liverpool AC Milan

[00:15:29] He would have had to change

[00:15:30] out of an AC Milan kit at

[00:15:32] half time of course

[00:15:33] Yeah yeah yeah definitely

[00:15:34] and so like yeah the

[00:15:35] 2009 one was that it

[00:15:38] with John Terry crying

[00:15:39] just I think they should

[00:15:40] just put that every now

[00:15:42] and then you know do that

[00:15:44] in there but like and I do

[00:15:46] love I love the league

[00:15:48] I really really do

[00:15:49] especially when it gets

[00:15:50] dead exciting and all the

[00:15:52] permutations of it all

[00:15:54] but then with a cup any

[00:15:56] kind of cup like

[00:15:56] Champions League the

[00:15:58] 2002 manager game I'm

[00:15:59] playing it's two group

[00:16:00] stages still

[00:16:02] Right yeah that was a

[00:16:03] brief that was a brief

[00:16:04] window wasn't it yeah

[00:16:05] Horrible you're out of

[00:16:07] the group stage you're

[00:16:08] into another one like

[00:16:09] what's the point in that

[00:16:11] and so you know I love

[00:16:13] the like my dad loves

[00:16:16] the FA Cup and it's

[00:16:18] another one of those

[00:16:19] ones where it took a

[00:16:19] long time to realise how

[00:16:20] much he loves it so

[00:16:22] we've been to Peter

[00:16:24] Vero West Brom he loves

[00:16:26] a big team against a

[00:16:27] little team and this is

[00:16:28] I think when West Brom

[00:16:29] were in the prim and

[00:16:30] it went to penalties

[00:16:31] and it was just a

[00:16:31] horrible game all round

[00:16:34] and just so we went to

[00:16:36] the last few years we've

[00:16:37] made a bit of a job

[00:16:40] of going to a football

[00:16:42] match especially the

[00:16:43] third round of the FA

[00:16:44] Cup that's my dad's

[00:16:45] favourite and I really

[00:16:47] like it too I love the

[00:16:47] draw the draw when it

[00:16:49] was Noel Gallagher

[00:16:50] and Serge from

[00:16:51] Kisabian and they got

[00:16:52] Leicester and Man City

[00:16:54] I sometimes watch that

[00:16:55] on YouTube just because

[00:16:56] it's so sweet and

[00:16:57] silly so a few years

[00:17:00] ago we went to the

[00:17:01] Cambridge Newcastle FA

[00:17:03] Cup game when Cambridge

[00:17:04] won 1-0 have you been

[00:17:07] to St James's Park

[00:17:08] in the away end?

[00:17:09] I have it's a long

[00:17:10] way up

[00:17:11] It's right even if you

[00:17:13] don't like football I

[00:17:13] think people should do

[00:17:14] it shouldn't they?

[00:17:15] It should go

[00:17:15] Like a charity challenge

[00:17:17] Oh my god like it's

[00:17:18] just to go up there

[00:17:20] I would love to go

[00:17:21] up there when it's empty

[00:17:22] just to look out over

[00:17:23] you can see over

[00:17:24] Newcastle but then

[00:17:24] you just see into this

[00:17:25] ground and it's funny

[00:17:27] that they make the away

[00:17:27] fans go up there

[00:17:29] and my 60 odd year

[00:17:31] old dad's who's got

[00:17:33] a fake ankle and a

[00:17:34] fake knee like so we

[00:17:36] got up there all the

[00:17:37] way up to the top

[00:17:38] and that was really

[00:17:39] like it was just great

[00:17:41] for me, my dad and my

[00:17:42] brother stayed in a

[00:17:43] hotel next to the

[00:17:44] grounds and had like

[00:17:46] a bit of a night out

[00:17:47] in Newcastle seeing

[00:17:49] a load of people from

[00:17:51] the tiny village I

[00:17:52] grew up in there as

[00:17:53] well chatting to some

[00:17:54] of them a bit but

[00:17:55] nothing much but also

[00:17:56] feeling quite smug that

[00:17:57] they've all got a

[00:17:58] then drive up four

[00:17:59] plus hours back when

[00:18:00] we're in a hotel that

[00:18:01] you can see the

[00:18:01] ground from and and

[00:18:04] the fact that like

[00:18:04] you know Cambridge's

[00:18:05] goal was that scrappy

[00:18:07] and just clinging on

[00:18:08] I like those kind of

[00:18:09] games I've also got

[00:18:10] in there the QPR

[00:18:11] Derby County Playoff

[00:18:12] Final another awful

[00:18:15] game that rather than

[00:18:17] it be it was scrappy

[00:18:19] throughout more one

[00:18:20] of these ones with

[00:18:20] both teams didn't want

[00:18:21] to lose it was the

[00:18:22] first time watching a

[00:18:23] football match at

[00:18:24] Wembley and me and

[00:18:27] my mate Ryan went

[00:18:28] with his dad's nil

[00:18:30] nil QPR didn't deserve

[00:18:31] to win at all.

[00:18:33] It was so badly

[00:18:34] got a player sent off

[00:18:36] and Bobby Zamora

[00:18:37] just coming off like

[00:18:39] his shin or something

[00:18:41] and that being that

[00:18:43] all of that for that.

[00:18:45] And so those kind of

[00:18:46] like I love those games

[00:18:49] and I think it would

[00:18:50] probably be the

[00:18:51] Cambridge Newcastle one.

[00:18:53] So if I gave you

[00:18:55] a time machine to go

[00:18:56] back in time and get

[00:18:58] that replica shirt

[00:18:59] that could have shaped

[00:19:00] your football neutrality,

[00:19:01] what would have been

[00:19:02] the replica shirt

[00:19:03] that Jack Campbell

[00:19:05] would have got

[00:19:05] as a youngster?

[00:19:07] Owen Hargreaves

[00:19:07] Bar Munich top please.

[00:19:09] OK, love Owen Hargreaves.

[00:19:12] I love him.

[00:19:12] I love his stupid voice that

[00:19:14] he's Charlie Hunnam, isn't he?

[00:19:16] He's just this mismatch.

[00:19:19] Grew up in Canada.

[00:19:21] So he's got that

[00:19:21] North American

[00:19:22] Canadian twang,

[00:19:22] but his parents

[00:19:23] are from Liverpool

[00:19:24] and then he never lived

[00:19:25] in England.

[00:19:26] He moved over to Germany

[00:19:27] and I'm so excited

[00:19:28] when he came to Man U.

[00:19:29] But I think it's not just

[00:19:32] the 2006 Euros

[00:19:35] where Owen Hargreaves

[00:19:36] was just unbelievable.

[00:19:37] That's more what I base

[00:19:39] my footballing skills off.

[00:19:41] Just Owen Hargreaves 2006

[00:19:42] up and down, up and down.

[00:19:45] Not a clue what he's doing.

[00:19:46] He doesn't know,

[00:19:47] but he's there.

[00:19:49] He's been invited.

[00:19:50] And I think also because of

[00:19:53] I think back like

[00:19:54] of where I grew up

[00:19:56] and it happened

[00:19:56] all over England,

[00:19:57] of course, a bit of German

[00:19:58] German bashing.

[00:19:59] And I found it so boring

[00:20:01] and weird that

[00:20:02] it made me like Germany more

[00:20:06] out of spite almost

[00:20:08] and how arrogant

[00:20:11] I think that's

[00:20:12] with the neutrality of it.

[00:20:13] I think sometimes

[00:20:13] how arrogant people can become

[00:20:15] when they're so die

[00:20:16] hard about one team.

[00:20:18] That's more my issue,

[00:20:20] I think,

[00:20:20] when they lose a sense

[00:20:22] of obviousness and fairness.

[00:20:24] Germany for

[00:20:26] are historically

[00:20:28] and statistically

[00:20:28] a better team than England

[00:20:30] without a doubt.

[00:20:31] Like you're a fool

[00:20:33] if you think otherwise.

[00:20:34] Yeah, at the moment,

[00:20:35] yeah, England

[00:20:36] are probably better.

[00:20:36] Germany have gone

[00:20:37] for a bit of a dip,

[00:20:38] even though how recent it was

[00:20:40] when they won 8-1

[00:20:41] against Brazil.

[00:20:42] Was it 8-1?

[00:20:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:20:43] Yeah, 7-1, yeah.

[00:20:45] And I think from that, though,

[00:20:46] I loved to celebrate

[00:20:48] my neutrality

[00:20:48] and almost football

[00:20:51] defiance of always

[00:20:52] just being a little bit like

[00:20:54] I'm going to do

[00:20:54] I'm going to like this instead.

[00:20:56] The German kit

[00:20:57] and I saw it

[00:20:58] there's a shop in Manchester

[00:21:00] and they've got

[00:21:01] I think Burnley are sponsored

[00:21:03] by this shop

[00:21:04] and they've got the

[00:21:05] it was 300 pounds

[00:21:07] and if I had that kind of money

[00:21:09] to be like

[00:21:10] I would have to have probably

[00:21:11] 30 grand to be OK

[00:21:14] with spending 300 pounds

[00:21:16] on a shirt

[00:21:16] that I'm probably not going to wear.

[00:21:18] 30 grand in my bank account

[00:21:20] always right there.

[00:21:21] And so it's the one

[00:21:23] where it's kind of white

[00:21:25] with the flag going across.

[00:21:27] It's a very iconic shirt.

[00:21:30] And I remember I had

[00:21:30] on PlayStation 1

[00:21:32] FIFA 96

[00:21:34] and it was almost cartoony.

[00:21:36] John Watson was

[00:21:37] commentating that

[00:21:38] if you scored a goal,

[00:21:39] it played a little

[00:21:40] cartoony video.

[00:21:42] But the German kit on there,

[00:21:44] even on a video game

[00:21:45] from the 90s,

[00:21:46] looked so good.

[00:21:48] And I think it would have to be

[00:21:49] it would have to be that one.

[00:21:50] You know, yeah, like

[00:21:52] yeah, I just love it.

[00:21:53] I love that

[00:21:53] German kit so much.

[00:21:56] Yeah.

[00:21:56] OK.

[00:21:57] All right.

[00:21:57] We'll sort that out for you.

[00:21:58] The third game

[00:21:59] to take with you

[00:22:01] is a Premier League game

[00:22:02] that you'd relive again

[00:22:04] and again.

[00:22:05] That's not your team.

[00:22:06] You kind of get a bonus

[00:22:07] extra one here.

[00:22:07] And I think the one

[00:22:08] you've gone for

[00:22:09] is more about an occasion

[00:22:11] that happened,

[00:22:12] more about an incident

[00:22:13] that happened in the game

[00:22:14] than the game itself.

[00:22:15] Is that fair?

[00:22:16] Yeah.

[00:22:17] Well, I was

[00:22:17] I was close to going for

[00:22:19] Manu Westbrom five all

[00:22:21] on the last day of the season.

[00:22:23] But I think I didn't want to

[00:22:25] because it didn't mean anything.

[00:22:26] It was just fun.

[00:22:28] And I was watching it in the pub

[00:22:29] back in Cambridge here.

[00:22:30] We were sat

[00:22:31] the other side of the pub

[00:22:32] because the other side of the pub was,

[00:22:33] you know,

[00:22:35] me and my mate Ryan

[00:22:35] would love to sit on the other side.

[00:22:36] All the scores come in

[00:22:37] last day of the season

[00:22:38] and five all

[00:22:39] because both teams clearly don't care.

[00:22:42] Whatever.

[00:22:42] Let's concede that score.

[00:22:44] Nothing matters.

[00:22:45] You're safe.

[00:22:46] We whatever.

[00:22:47] But it was the

[00:22:49] I don't even remember.

[00:22:50] Obviously Newcastle were playing

[00:22:52] for the game that I've chosen.

[00:22:53] I can't remember

[00:22:54] who they were playing.

[00:22:55] I can't remember the score.

[00:22:57] But the fact it was

[00:22:59] Kieran Dyer and Lee Bowyer

[00:23:00] having that punch up.

[00:23:02] I was at my dad's in Cumbria.

[00:23:04] My brother was there.

[00:23:05] And he just was suddenly like,

[00:23:08] oh my God, you got to come downstairs

[00:23:09] and see what's just happened.

[00:23:11] And so we're there

[00:23:12] and they just showed it

[00:23:13] over and over again

[00:23:15] for the following week.

[00:23:17] Just constantly,

[00:23:18] like almost every hour

[00:23:19] on Sky Sports News,

[00:23:21] they were playing

[00:23:22] and they weren't

[00:23:24] they weren't censoring it, really.

[00:23:26] It was just showing them

[00:23:27] get punched in the face,

[00:23:29] whereas now they absolutely

[00:23:30] would censor that.

[00:23:31] Yeah, I can't even remember what year

[00:23:34] I'm going to go for 2006.

[00:23:37] I think you're in the ballpark.

[00:23:39] I think it may have been 2005

[00:23:42] against Aston Villa and Newcastle

[00:23:44] were already down to 10 men

[00:23:46] when two of their players

[00:23:47] decided to have a scrap

[00:23:48] and were reduced to eight,

[00:23:50] which, you know, as a referee,

[00:23:52] I mean, dealing with that,

[00:23:53] that is obviously a really rare.

[00:23:55] I think David Baty and Graham

[00:23:56] Lassone might have done it

[00:23:57] in a Champions League game

[00:23:59] for Blackburn in the 90s as well.

[00:24:01] But to have two players

[00:24:03] from the same team

[00:24:04] fighting each other,

[00:24:05] I mean, it's supposed to be

[00:24:06] a difficult one for the referee.

[00:24:07] He just sent them both off.

[00:24:09] Yeah. And like,

[00:24:10] I really liked Kieran Dyer.

[00:24:12] I didn't really know much about Lee Bowie yet.

[00:24:15] My brother's is

[00:24:16] because he was more into football

[00:24:17] and especially more

[00:24:18] into Premier League football.

[00:24:18] But I liked Kieran Dyer.

[00:24:21] Did Kieran Dyer start at Ipswich?

[00:24:23] Yeah. No. Yes, he did.

[00:24:25] He did. Yeah.

[00:24:26] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:27] And so, you know,

[00:24:28] and I think how

[00:24:30] that was another kind of marker

[00:24:33] of for me, new castles fall

[00:24:36] where early 2000s,

[00:24:39] late 90s,

[00:24:41] very, very big team,

[00:24:43] always really, really close

[00:24:44] to greatness and never quite getting there.

[00:24:47] But just always been this massive,

[00:24:48] massive team.

[00:24:49] And then this happening.

[00:24:51] And it just kind of really showed

[00:24:52] how like the wheels were flying off

[00:24:55] at the castle in like

[00:24:57] it's a similar thing

[00:24:58] like where when players kiss

[00:25:00] each other when they score,

[00:25:01] they don't know.

[00:25:02] They don't know they're doing it.

[00:25:03] There's really like interviews

[00:25:06] with players where like

[00:25:08] I don't even like that person

[00:25:09] on my team that much,

[00:25:10] but you end up just going mad

[00:25:12] and like kissing someone on the forehead.

[00:25:15] And I think where the frustrations are there

[00:25:18] and the all the other stuff

[00:25:19] that must have been going on

[00:25:20] with the club because they were relegated

[00:25:22] not too long after that, were they?

[00:25:24] Yeah, well,

[00:25:25] I think Alan Shearer just re

[00:25:28] thought his retirement plans

[00:25:30] in the week before,

[00:25:31] and I think that was partly due to the fact

[00:25:33] that things were going downhill fast

[00:25:35] and yeah, they were

[00:25:36] they were relegated

[00:25:37] a couple of seasons later.

[00:25:38] Yeah.

[00:25:39] And there was one,

[00:25:42] two Newcastle fans

[00:25:43] that who went to I went to school with

[00:25:46] that one was a couple of years above.

[00:25:48] I don't know why he supported Newcastle.

[00:25:49] I don't really know

[00:25:50] why the other one supported Newcastle.

[00:25:52] I know my other mate also did,

[00:25:54] but he had more of a family connection there.

[00:25:56] But like and again,

[00:25:57] like Newcastle's proper far

[00:26:00] from Cambridge here is why

[00:26:01] like again.

[00:26:02] And so, yeah,

[00:26:03] there was just something about it,

[00:26:05] like this massive, massive team.

[00:26:08] As the village has got,

[00:26:09] like just got forgotten about.

[00:26:10] Could you if I if you didn't look that up,

[00:26:13] would you have known it was Ashton Villa?

[00:26:14] No, no, no, they were forgotten in that Newcastle

[00:26:17] with the only team on the pitch

[00:26:19] and they just kept playing it

[00:26:20] over and over and over again.

[00:26:23] Like it was so OK.

[00:26:24] And then you kind of think about it now.

[00:26:25] It's like you really

[00:26:26] shouldn't be showing that you should.

[00:26:27] You know, I don't know

[00:26:28] what kind of aftercare they did

[00:26:30] with all, you know,

[00:26:31] I can't remember whether it was like an apology

[00:26:33] or whatever from them.

[00:26:35] All I know now

[00:26:37] is that Lee Boja is a hard man

[00:26:39] and I didn't know he was like

[00:26:41] that Kirindar was like a prodigy, wasn't he?

[00:26:43] It's like it was going to be

[00:26:45] it was going to be amazing.

[00:26:45] They just like fluffed it again

[00:26:47] that you could only watch

[00:26:48] a split screen version of that match.

[00:26:52] One camera is following around Lee Boja.

[00:26:54] One camera is following around Kirindar.

[00:26:56] You do you have to hand

[00:26:58] what minute it happened in?

[00:26:59] It was that in the last 10 minutes,

[00:27:01] I think last 10, 15.

[00:27:02] Of course.

[00:27:03] Oh, that's even better.

[00:27:04] It's either first 10 or last 10.

[00:27:06] Anywhere in the screen.

[00:27:08] If that happened in the first 10 minutes,

[00:27:09] that would be mad.

[00:27:10] This is clearly some John Terry

[00:27:12] Wayne Bridge stuff.

[00:27:13] Last 10 minutes you're down 3-0 whatever.

[00:27:15] Who cares?

[00:27:16] It would be it would be fascinating,

[00:27:18] as you say, just to watch

[00:27:19] watch it through the match

[00:27:20] and just see what happened,

[00:27:21] what the instance up

[00:27:22] because clearly this has been bubbling.

[00:27:24] So yeah, OK.

[00:27:25] All right.

[00:27:26] Well, Newcastle 0,

[00:27:27] Aston Villa 3 is your choice.

[00:27:29] If only to.

[00:27:31] So I can't otherwise.

[00:27:32] Yeah, no football.

[00:27:34] And what about non-English teams?

[00:27:36] Have you got any European teams?

[00:27:38] Are there if there are any European teams

[00:27:40] that you that you keep an eye out

[00:27:41] for the results of?

[00:27:43] I've got loads.

[00:27:44] I've got an annoying amount.

[00:27:45] Right.

[00:27:45] I think because sometimes

[00:27:46] football is not enough.

[00:27:48] I guess where the idea

[00:27:51] so I've got a mate

[00:27:52] who supports Arsenal

[00:27:53] is originally from Coventry.

[00:27:54] And he only cares

[00:27:57] about what Arsenal have done

[00:27:58] and a tiny bit about

[00:28:01] what Coventry have done.

[00:28:02] But otherwise, it's only Arsenal

[00:28:04] is that I don't care

[00:28:05] about any other team whatsoever.

[00:28:07] So I couldn't live

[00:28:08] that there's so much information

[00:28:10] and it is such a global game

[00:28:12] and it is it ties in with geography as well.

[00:28:14] It's really interesting to find out

[00:28:15] where these teams are and stuff.

[00:28:17] I'm currently wearing my

[00:28:18] Inter Miami tracksuit bottoms,

[00:28:21] but I got the four Messi.

[00:28:24] OK, I got it.

[00:28:26] I got these during lockdown

[00:28:28] when David Beckham, who I adore

[00:28:30] and a lot of the American team.

[00:28:32] So I quite like getting

[00:28:33] stranger kits and especially

[00:28:35] tracksuit bottoms and shorts.

[00:28:36] I quite like having

[00:28:37] a slightly different one.

[00:28:38] But then I had these on

[00:28:39] not long ago.

[00:28:40] And my brother was like,

[00:28:40] Oh, have you got them

[00:28:41] because you're messy

[00:28:42] because Messi signed them?

[00:28:43] Like, no, like I'm not a child.

[00:28:45] Like, I also love

[00:28:47] when I see adults

[00:28:49] with replica kits on

[00:28:52] and names of players on the back.

[00:28:54] I don't know

[00:28:54] where to put it in the thing.

[00:28:55] I once saw a man.

[00:28:57] This is good that you'll be able

[00:28:58] to place it timewise.

[00:28:59] I once saw a man with a Man United top on

[00:29:01] with Richardson on the back.

[00:29:03] Right, wow.

[00:29:04] As in Kieran Richardson.

[00:29:06] Yeah, your last name

[00:29:08] better be Richardson.

[00:29:09] Who's getting a replica top?

[00:29:10] But then at the same time,

[00:29:11] I love it if you are great.

[00:29:13] So with all European teams,

[00:29:15] I really, really like it.

[00:29:18] So again, because it's

[00:29:19] just being played everywhere.

[00:29:21] I never like the biggest team

[00:29:23] in a country.

[00:29:24] So not bothered about

[00:29:27] Real Madrid and Real Madrid

[00:29:28] were for me when David Beckham

[00:29:30] went there, when Michael Owen went there

[00:29:33] and it just didn't seem

[00:29:35] it didn't seem right.

[00:29:36] It seemed like what is happening

[00:29:39] now of hoovering up players.

[00:29:43] However, when Gareth Bale went there,

[00:29:44] I was like, great, that's a good move.

[00:29:46] It felt a bit different.

[00:29:47] I think you'll probably feel

[00:29:48] a bit more odd about that.

[00:29:50] Like and same with

[00:29:52] Italy was always kind of an odd one.

[00:29:54] It wasn't ever fast.

[00:29:55] I found Italy quite a difficult

[00:29:56] division to enjoy.

[00:29:59] But like some of it is

[00:30:01] and so I've got different teams

[00:30:03] now over the years

[00:30:04] that I keep an eye on in Italy.

[00:30:05] I'll always look,

[00:30:06] but when Juventus won it,

[00:30:07] did they win it 10 years in a row?

[00:30:09] Yeah, I think so.

[00:30:11] Boring.

[00:30:12] So boring.

[00:30:13] There's something about it

[00:30:14] clearly like it develops

[00:30:16] a lot of great players

[00:30:18] and managers there.

[00:30:19] And the passion of it

[00:30:20] I really, really enjoy.

[00:30:22] And I believe your football

[00:30:23] manager career may have given you

[00:30:24] a particular soft spot

[00:30:26] for a certain German team.

[00:30:28] Totally.

[00:30:29] Yeah, so yeah.

[00:30:30] So that was more

[00:30:32] over lockdown playing

[00:30:33] a lot of football manager on my phone.

[00:30:35] I worked at a COVID testing center

[00:30:36] over lockdown.

[00:30:37] Couldn't do any gigs

[00:30:37] so I was working there

[00:30:38] and there wasn't a lot to do.

[00:30:40] So I'd sit and play football

[00:30:41] manager on my phone.

[00:30:43] And I had a career where

[00:30:44] I was just awful at the new ones.

[00:30:46] I'm so bad at the new ones

[00:30:48] on a laptop.

[00:30:49] There's too much.

[00:30:50] So on the phone,

[00:30:51] the football manager mobile versions

[00:30:53] are generally easier

[00:30:54] and a lot more fun.

[00:30:55] So you don't end up

[00:30:56] throwing your phone across the room,

[00:30:58] I think.

[00:30:58] And so I ended up seeing

[00:31:01] got sacked on it

[00:31:03] and on those games

[00:31:04] you can only get employed

[00:31:05] by an available club,

[00:31:06] whereas on the 2002 one

[00:31:08] you can apply for any club.

[00:31:09] Right.

[00:31:11] And so MSV Duisburg

[00:31:14] I came across.

[00:31:15] They were in three league

[00:31:18] and I got them from three

[00:31:18] league to the Bundesliga top

[00:31:21] won it first season

[00:31:22] and did a three-peat.

[00:31:23] And it was around the Michael Jordan

[00:31:25] Last Dance documentary.

[00:31:26] Three peats were in my head

[00:31:28] for everything.

[00:31:29] Like, you've got to do it

[00:31:30] three times, man.

[00:31:31] That's what you've got to do.

[00:31:32] And then MSV Duisburg

[00:31:34] I love and I want to go watch them.

[00:31:36] I want to get the shirt.

[00:31:37] The kit, the badge

[00:31:38] is one of the best badges

[00:31:39] it's got.

[00:31:40] It's got a zebra on it.

[00:31:41] Blue and white zebra.

[00:31:42] They wear blue and white

[00:31:43] stripy shirts.

[00:31:44] Maybe I do also like

[00:31:45] blue and white stripy shirts

[00:31:46] because there's been QPR

[00:31:48] and there's a lot of other ones

[00:31:49] in there.

[00:31:50] A blue and white zebra.

[00:31:52] That's I mean,

[00:31:52] Attenborough's not described

[00:31:53] that yet, has he?

[00:31:54] I mean, I suppose.

[00:31:55] It's a zebra in pyjamas.

[00:31:58] It's not a zebra in Germany.

[00:31:59] Not a native animal

[00:32:00] to Germany at all.

[00:32:02] Let's just do that.

[00:32:03] Whatever with Duisburg.

[00:32:04] We've got a 30,000

[00:32:05] seater stadium that we cannot fill

[00:32:07] for the life of us.

[00:32:08] They got to like the

[00:32:10] with the DS, the DB Polka

[00:32:13] Cup final in like maybe 2015.

[00:32:15] Just got thrashed.

[00:32:16] So they just hang around

[00:32:18] in the bottom tier of German

[00:32:19] football.

[00:32:20] They can't do anything.

[00:32:21] Right.

[00:32:22] And so I like that.

[00:32:23] And I've got a friend

[00:32:25] who for his

[00:32:27] it wasn't really a stag do,

[00:32:28] but before he got married,

[00:32:29] him and his wife to be

[00:32:31] both went on

[00:32:32] kind of solo

[00:32:34] stag and hen parties.

[00:32:36] So just to do a little trip

[00:32:38] on your own for yourself,

[00:32:39] which I think is really cool.

[00:32:41] He went, I think, around Europe,

[00:32:44] taking the coach

[00:32:45] to see as many football games

[00:32:46] as he could in a week.

[00:32:47] Right.

[00:32:48] And he's gone to Frankfurt.

[00:32:50] And if you do it

[00:32:51] around the Balkans,

[00:32:52] sometimes he was watching

[00:32:53] two games a day,

[00:32:54] like get a coach finish

[00:32:56] and then go get another one

[00:32:57] and whatever.

[00:32:58] And again, I think

[00:33:00] because it is being played,

[00:33:02] especially all over Europe

[00:33:03] all at the same time,

[00:33:04] on the same day, more or less.

[00:33:06] Recently, so my dad works

[00:33:09] for a service.

[00:33:11] So and they primarily do

[00:33:13] like motocross, clothing

[00:33:15] and protective stuff.

[00:33:17] And now they've also

[00:33:18] they also sponsor a few

[00:33:19] football teams and really

[00:33:21] odd ones.

[00:33:22] And it's perfect, like

[00:33:24] Aberystwyth, the sponsor

[00:33:25] there, Sydney, it's

[00:33:27] in Cambridge here,

[00:33:28] Barrow, I think in

[00:33:29] Cumbria, they had a year for

[00:33:31] and the whole shirt

[00:33:32] sponsor thing.

[00:33:33] I'm sure as well

[00:33:33] you'll remember when

[00:33:35] when your team was sponsored

[00:33:36] by a company,

[00:33:37] that was for five years.

[00:33:38] It wasn't every year

[00:33:40] that they got a new one in

[00:33:41] and it's the money of it's all mad.

[00:33:43] I remember the newspaper article

[00:33:44] when Vodafone stopped

[00:33:45] sponsoring Man United

[00:33:47] and how much of an effect

[00:33:48] that was.

[00:33:49] And so a service is Italian

[00:33:51] and they were sponsoring Spezia.

[00:33:54] So my dad kept on

[00:33:55] sending in our WhatsApp group

[00:33:56] to me and my brother,

[00:33:58] Spezia results.

[00:33:59] And it's just ended up being

[00:34:00] we just like Spezia

[00:34:01] and we want to go to Spezia.

[00:34:03] And it was Spezia and

[00:34:04] Cremenese were both

[00:34:05] sponsored by a service.

[00:34:06] Well, I think of both since

[00:34:08] are now not sponsored by a service.

[00:34:10] But we wanted to go to Italy

[00:34:11] and watch Spezia, Cremenese

[00:34:13] in Syria at the service

[00:34:15] Derby, we were going to call it.

[00:34:17] And they sponsor a bunch of other teams.

[00:34:20] I've got a Valence, Valenz.

[00:34:22] So French Valenz.

[00:34:25] Yeah.

[00:34:26] Guess which animal?

[00:34:27] It's another one.

[00:34:28] What animal?

[00:34:30] They've got it's a bird.

[00:34:32] Oh, right.

[00:34:32] OK, because I was going to go

[00:34:33] because I was thinking

[00:34:34] it was near that Catalonia

[00:34:35] is going to go for a ball

[00:34:36] or something.

[00:34:36] It's a bird.

[00:34:37] Flamingo.

[00:34:39] It's a swan.

[00:34:40] Of course, there's the swan.

[00:34:42] Like I've got the top

[00:34:43] and the top so cool

[00:34:45] where it's got this stadium

[00:34:47] at the bottom of the shirt.

[00:34:48] Right.

[00:34:49] Like kind of faded in on the back.

[00:34:51] Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:52] Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:52] Like a nice.

[00:34:53] Yeah.

[00:34:54] I think Euros,

[00:34:56] especially Euros and the World Cup.

[00:34:57] But Euros really got me

[00:34:59] into a load of other teams

[00:35:01] because you research

[00:35:03] all those players

[00:35:03] and then you'll get some

[00:35:04] like wonder kid who plays for like

[00:35:06] Ostrava in in Czech Republic.

[00:35:10] And then you learn all about that

[00:35:11] and whatever.

[00:35:12] And so there's there's loads

[00:35:14] like just loads.

[00:35:15] And I tend to have a team

[00:35:16] from each country.

[00:35:19] But ones like some of it

[00:35:21] is football manager base.

[00:35:23] I've got a real

[00:35:25] when you when you've gone up

[00:35:26] to Edinburgh, do you

[00:35:28] do you have a Scottish team?

[00:35:29] I have always liked hearts

[00:35:31] and actually Spurs drew

[00:35:33] hearts in the UEFA Cup

[00:35:36] about 2012, 2013,

[00:35:37] something like that.

[00:35:38] So I actually went to Tyne Castle,

[00:35:40] sat in the Spurs

[00:35:41] and watched Spurs at hearts.

[00:35:42] It's amazing.

[00:35:43] A wooden ship of a crown,

[00:35:45] like an old pirate ship

[00:35:47] of a crown.

[00:35:48] I prefer hearts over hibs.

[00:35:51] And like I think they both

[00:35:53] come from poems,

[00:35:54] but hearts definitely does.

[00:35:55] I know that it comes

[00:35:57] it comes from a poem.

[00:35:58] And when we did a school trip

[00:36:00] to New York when this was 2008,

[00:36:02] when most schools had money

[00:36:03] before a certain government came in.

[00:36:07] My school doesn't even

[00:36:08] have a sixth floor anymore.

[00:36:09] So like we went there

[00:36:10] and the drama teacher

[00:36:12] who comes up to Edinburgh

[00:36:13] every time I do Edinburgh,

[00:36:15] he lives there now,

[00:36:16] but he used to come up

[00:36:16] and see former students and stuff.

[00:36:20] So he told us about hearts.

[00:36:22] I can't remember the poet.

[00:36:23] It came from that.

[00:36:24] And then there was one year

[00:36:25] I was living in Edinburgh

[00:36:26] out in Gustafsland

[00:36:27] and the lady there

[00:36:27] was a big hearts fan

[00:36:29] and had like a mural

[00:36:30] up on her wall.

[00:36:31] And so I go for hearts.

[00:36:32] But then because I don't want

[00:36:34] to support Celtic or Rangers,

[00:36:37] I find like and I find Rangers,

[00:36:38] you know, the downfall

[00:36:40] and then the rise coming back up.

[00:36:42] And I like all of that.

[00:36:44] But me, my dad and my brother again

[00:36:45] in Cumbria.

[00:36:46] It's not too far from Scotland.

[00:36:47] We went to see Gretna play

[00:36:49] and had a Gretna talk.

[00:36:51] Gretna have since come into existence

[00:36:52] and then disappeared again.

[00:36:54] So we went to see Gretna

[00:36:55] against St Johnston.

[00:36:56] It was one of the worst

[00:36:57] games of football ever

[00:36:58] in terms of football

[00:37:00] entertainment wise.

[00:37:00] I loved it.

[00:37:01] If you've ever been to Gretna

[00:37:02] where they do like the marriages

[00:37:04] now.

[00:37:05] Yeah.

[00:37:07] So every house,

[00:37:08] you know how in Blackpool,

[00:37:09] every house is a B&B?

[00:37:11] Every house in Gretna

[00:37:12] is a sweet shop.

[00:37:14] Everyone is just selling sweets,

[00:37:16] little coffee shop

[00:37:18] in their house.

[00:37:19] And we went there.

[00:37:20] There was a guy who just sung

[00:37:22] throughout the whole game.

[00:37:23] But Gretna,

[00:37:24] the owner died

[00:37:26] without sorting out any of the

[00:37:27] finances.

[00:37:28] And that's why Gretna just

[00:37:29] suddenly like just plummeted.

[00:37:31] But I think, yeah,

[00:37:32] like we went around and

[00:37:34] I don't know this.

[00:37:36] I would love to go to

[00:37:38] Barcelona

[00:37:39] or watch a game in a big,

[00:37:40] big stadium.

[00:37:41] But there's something about

[00:37:42] finding the smaller clubs

[00:37:45] and like these old

[00:37:47] stadiums and stuff like that,

[00:37:48] that I do just love.

[00:37:49] I really like Copenhagen

[00:37:51] because they never

[00:37:53] amount to anything at all.

[00:37:54] And there was that brief period.

[00:37:56] This is a bit risky, Karl.

[00:37:58] Brief period where

[00:38:00] remember when Samuel Etou

[00:38:01] and Roberto Carlos played for

[00:38:02] Anzi in...

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] There's a brief period

[00:38:05] where Russian football was great.

[00:38:06] Like I used to really like

[00:38:07] Zenit St Petersburg

[00:38:09] and now I feel bad.

[00:38:10] Because I...

[00:38:12] You weren't to know, Jack.

[00:38:13] Don't worry.

[00:38:13] No, I wasn't.

[00:38:14] I don't think there's a correlation.

[00:38:15] Well, I went to Bruges.

[00:38:17] We went to Bruges for the day

[00:38:19] last year coming back from

[00:38:20] France and we went to look at

[00:38:22] Club Bruges and that was it.

[00:38:23] Me and my son for the entire

[00:38:24] season.

[00:38:24] And they actually did quite well

[00:38:25] in the Champions League.

[00:38:26] They reached the Champions

[00:38:27] League and then ended up with

[00:38:28] Scott Parker as manager.

[00:38:29] It was very bizarre circumstances.

[00:38:31] So odd that he did that.

[00:38:33] Like, and I love it

[00:38:35] that he did it.

[00:38:37] But it was also like,

[00:38:38] Scott, what you doing there?

[00:38:39] Like when Steve went

[00:38:41] and, you know, like

[00:38:43] Joe Cole and Joe Barton

[00:38:44] went over to France

[00:38:45] and that can sometimes sway

[00:38:48] what I like.

[00:38:48] Like French team wise.

[00:38:49] So there's Valens and also

[00:38:51] I really like Strasbourg.

[00:38:53] Yeah.

[00:38:53] But because of Arsene Wenger.

[00:38:56] Right.

[00:38:56] Because that's where he grew up

[00:38:58] and it's like in that

[00:38:59] Germanic bit

[00:39:00] and he grew up above a pub

[00:39:02] and it's just something about

[00:39:03] Strasbourg

[00:39:04] that they never do well.

[00:39:05] Palermo I really like in Italy

[00:39:07] because they have those pink kits.

[00:39:08] And but yeah, like if it's like

[00:39:10] I like to Roma for quite a while

[00:39:12] because they were just outside

[00:39:14] of the other lot, you know.

[00:39:16] And but the Malans

[00:39:18] I wasn't really bothered about.

[00:39:19] I find it odd that

[00:39:20] they share a ground.

[00:39:21] You know, it seems lazy

[00:39:24] that they share.

[00:39:25] There's a fantastic video

[00:39:26] of Lappsio

[00:39:27] when they're chanting

[00:39:29] at Lappsio and just the sound

[00:39:31] of it, like that wall of sound.

[00:39:34] I really, really like that.

[00:39:35] And I would like, you know,

[00:39:37] to go anywhere

[00:39:37] and I'll go watch a football game.

[00:39:39] And I can do that now.

[00:39:41] I think like emotionally

[00:39:43] I can do it now.

[00:39:44] Yeah, go and watch any game anywhere.

[00:39:46] Yeah.

[00:39:47] Yeah, there's just there's too many now.

[00:39:49] So the fourth match

[00:39:51] for you to take with you

[00:39:52] to deserted island

[00:39:53] is a European match.

[00:39:55] You would relive again and again.

[00:39:57] What would you go for?

[00:39:58] 2005 Liverpool again is

[00:40:01] I think it's almost a given.

[00:40:03] You might have to phrase

[00:40:04] the question as you can't have.

[00:40:06] It's like Harry Potter on Mastermind.

[00:40:07] You can't

[00:40:08] you're not allowed to do it anymore.

[00:40:09] Like because there's not enough questions.

[00:40:11] But it was I think it was so important.

[00:40:13] And again, Gerrard, for me,

[00:40:16] really becoming this like figure

[00:40:18] as well as the FA Cup.

[00:40:20] But I don't know

[00:40:20] because it's just been done.

[00:40:21] But I remember

[00:40:23] and I think also every time

[00:40:24] Liverpool are in Europe,

[00:40:25] it does something.

[00:40:27] But at the same time,

[00:40:28] I'm not just saying this

[00:40:29] for because I'm on your podcast.

[00:40:31] But even when Spurs are in Europe,

[00:40:33] I really like

[00:40:34] there's something about them

[00:40:35] being in Europe

[00:40:36] because it's not necessarily a given.

[00:40:38] Definitely not this season.

[00:40:40] No, but I remember

[00:40:42] when I was like 14 when Spurs

[00:40:44] Spurs were near relegation

[00:40:46] 2003, 2004 or something like that.

[00:40:48] And, you know,

[00:40:48] we also had quite a few Spurs fans

[00:40:50] also growing up as well.

[00:40:52] But then I think Champions League

[00:40:55] for me from the FA Cup

[00:40:57] from from the 2005 that final

[00:41:00] got me more into the Champions League.

[00:41:02] And then they were in it again

[00:41:04] two years later.

[00:41:05] Liverpool, AC Milan.

[00:41:06] We seem to have forgotten about that.

[00:41:08] And then if you look,

[00:41:09] there was a period about like eight years

[00:41:12] where it was English teams in the final,

[00:41:14] at least Man United got there

[00:41:17] against Chelsea and Man United

[00:41:18] got there again against Barcelona.

[00:41:20] And so like I think for me,

[00:41:23] it was pivotal that 2005

[00:41:26] Liverpool, AC Milan final.

[00:41:28] And I guess every final

[00:41:29] since we've been chasing that

[00:41:32] because, you know,

[00:41:33] being 3-0 down,

[00:41:34] going 3 or winning on Pen.

[00:41:36] Incredible.

[00:41:37] I when people don't like the Europa League

[00:41:41] and and when it changed the Europa League,

[00:41:43] oh, who even cares?

[00:41:44] And now there's Europa League

[00:41:45] conference league,

[00:41:46] conference league.

[00:41:47] Love it.

[00:41:48] It's such a good way to learn

[00:41:51] about the world and like

[00:41:52] find these mad little countries

[00:41:54] and like and teams

[00:41:56] and stuff like that.

[00:41:57] And it's just great fun.

[00:41:58] And I love being in a city

[00:42:00] when that's going on.

[00:42:01] Last year in Edinburgh

[00:42:02] on the grass market,

[00:42:03] Zurich were playing hearts,

[00:42:05] I think in the in the crazy

[00:42:07] qualifying rounds as well,

[00:42:08] which I find so funny that like

[00:42:10] don't even call it a qualifying round.

[00:42:12] Call that the start.

[00:42:13] Call that the start.

[00:42:14] And then that's round one.

[00:42:16] And then by the time

[00:42:17] it's into the quarterfinals,

[00:42:19] it's round, I don't know,

[00:42:20] like 25 or whatever.

[00:42:22] It's so funny.

[00:42:24] Where did you finish your show?

[00:42:25] Oh, we got to like round 18.

[00:42:27] Oh, good going.

[00:42:28] Like, you know, and so

[00:42:30] there's a couple that I do remember

[00:42:31] from a few years ago.

[00:42:32] So the Liverpool Barcelona

[00:42:33] one where Liverpool came back

[00:42:35] from three nil down.

[00:42:36] Was it?

[00:42:37] Yeah, only a few years ago.

[00:42:39] That was really great.

[00:42:40] But I was you.

[00:42:41] I think you performed it.

[00:42:42] I've stopped running it since

[00:42:43] comedy and cocktails.

[00:42:45] The venues even shut

[00:42:46] only the other day, Carl.

[00:42:47] That's all gone now.

[00:42:48] But I remember hosting that.

[00:42:50] It's quite fun being at a comedy night

[00:42:53] where you're checking the score

[00:42:54] in between intervals

[00:42:55] and in between breaks and stuff.

[00:42:56] And so that was really good fun.

[00:42:59] And then was that Tottenham

[00:43:01] going on at the same time?

[00:43:03] So Tottenham, Ajax was the night

[00:43:05] after Liverpool Barcelona.

[00:43:07] Yeah, that was it.

[00:43:08] Perfect.

[00:43:09] And but also the Tottenham

[00:43:10] Man City one I loved as well

[00:43:13] because it was so another like

[00:43:16] well done for Man City

[00:43:17] for winning it finally.

[00:43:18] And I'm glad they did.

[00:43:20] But there was a little part of me

[00:43:21] of like, what if they never win it?

[00:43:23] What if they never win

[00:43:24] the Champions League?

[00:43:25] They keep on getting so close

[00:43:26] and keep on fluffing it.

[00:43:27] The fifth and final match

[00:43:29] for you at the deserted island

[00:43:30] is an international game

[00:43:31] you would take with you.

[00:43:33] What would you go for and why?

[00:43:35] Right.

[00:43:36] I had believed for far too long

[00:43:39] that England won the World Cup 5-1.

[00:43:43] OK, right.

[00:43:44] What did they actually win it?

[00:43:45] 2-1, 3-2?

[00:43:47] 4-2 after extra time in 1966.

[00:43:50] Right.

[00:43:50] Against West Germany, if it matters.

[00:43:52] West Germany.

[00:43:53] Yeah, no, I knew that.

[00:43:55] And that added to the German

[00:43:57] hating that has grown up.

[00:43:59] I'm talking as if I'm German.

[00:44:01] I'm not German.

[00:44:02] I just loved it.

[00:44:03] But on my 10th or 11th birthday,

[00:44:06] when did England beat Germany 5-1?

[00:44:08] It was September 1st.

[00:44:10] It was definitely my birthday.

[00:44:11] It was 2001.

[00:44:12] It was the week before 9-11,

[00:44:14] believe it or not.

[00:44:16] Why would you bring that up?

[00:44:18] Well, just because it was September 1st.

[00:44:21] I'm only together again.

[00:44:24] Before 9-11.

[00:44:26] Again, no correlation.

[00:44:28] Interesting, isn't it?

[00:44:30] I was like, I had no idea.

[00:44:33] That feels...

[00:44:34] God.

[00:44:35] I was having a party at my village hall

[00:44:38] for my birthday.

[00:44:40] And the DJ was a friend's older brother.

[00:44:42] And you know, like classic DJ set up big,

[00:44:46] the light boxes where it's just four colours

[00:44:49] and it changes on them.

[00:44:51] And there's a smoke machine that's probably

[00:44:53] asbestos or whatever.

[00:44:56] And he kept on interrupting with the score of the game.

[00:45:00] But was it...

[00:45:01] Is it just a qualifier?

[00:45:03] It was.

[00:45:04] It was a qualifier.

[00:45:05] But it was vital.

[00:45:07] Yeah, it was qualified for World Cup 2002

[00:45:09] because earlier in that we had lost to Germany at Wembley.

[00:45:14] That was the day Keegan had jacked it in.

[00:45:17] So...

[00:45:18] Because this was...

[00:45:18] The thing that I think is forgotten about this campaign

[00:45:20] is we still needed the Beckham free-kick against Greece.

[00:45:24] That's still this campaign.

[00:45:26] So even though we thrashed and demolished Germany

[00:45:29] in this game, we still very nearly missed out on that World Cup.

[00:45:32] Yeah.

[00:45:33] And that was a period of...

[00:45:35] Because then the Euros, not the 2004 Euros,

[00:45:39] but the 2006...

[00:45:42] No, 2008 we missed, didn't we?

[00:45:44] Yeah.

[00:45:46] So I suppose it was getting a bit...

[00:45:48] Qualification suddenly became exciting again.

[00:45:50] Yeah, yeah, it certainly just got to the year.

[00:45:52] It was boring.

[00:45:53] They should make it harder to make it a bit more exciting.

[00:45:56] But yeah, that one...

[00:45:58] My friend Joe was running around my party with an England flag.

[00:46:01] And I was enjoying people being excited.

[00:46:04] I didn't understand particularly why they were so excited about it.

[00:46:07] But then I just convinced myself that England won the World Cup 5-1

[00:46:11] or England only win 5-1 for whatever reason.

[00:46:14] So that one is quite important to me.

[00:46:19] But I think in terms of...

[00:46:22] A lot of the answers I'm given are how I felt before I was into football

[00:46:27] and then once I was into football and what it meant.

[00:46:29] So there was not the most recent World Cup final,

[00:46:34] the 2018 World Cup quarterfinal

[00:46:39] where France beat Argentina 4-3.

[00:46:42] It was really...

[00:46:43] I felt excited.

[00:46:44] Like these two...

[00:46:45] Like great, this is a quarterfinal, two big, big teams playing here

[00:46:49] who scored...

[00:46:49] I think they've both been scoring a lot of goals.

[00:46:51] France went on to win that World Cup.

[00:46:54] But I think I was really caught into that World Cup anyway.

[00:46:56] I've always...

[00:46:57] Euros and World Cups,

[00:46:59] I will try and watch and listen to as many games as I can.

[00:47:01] There's just something about it.

[00:47:03] I find it quite sweet when people only watch England games.

[00:47:07] I find it quite like that's nice.

[00:47:09] But I like watching it all

[00:47:11] because some of the games are just mad.

[00:47:14] It's horrible watching a random World Cup game

[00:47:16] and it's nil-nil.

[00:47:17] Oh God.

[00:47:19] But Japan beating Germany

[00:47:21] and I wish I was more into the 2002 World Cup

[00:47:25] with South Korea and Turkey getting to like that far into it.

[00:47:28] But we were watching it with a few mates

[00:47:30] and some of the other mates weren't really into football either.

[00:47:33] And so I felt more like,

[00:47:35] well, I know what I'm talking about here.

[00:47:37] But I still...

[00:47:38] We all still managed to channel,

[00:47:40] we're going to watch this game in this pub.

[00:47:42] There's a lot of people properly watching it

[00:47:44] like they cared about it.

[00:47:46] It's France against Argentina.

[00:47:47] It's just a quality game, I think.

[00:47:48] That's more the thing.

[00:47:49] It's going to be a great game.

[00:47:50] But my mates who were watching it,

[00:47:53] we were like, well, how can we make this more fun?

[00:47:55] So we were talking about

[00:47:56] which countries have the fittest goalie,

[00:47:59] loudly in this quite rough pub.

[00:48:01] And because we were just focused on the game,

[00:48:03] sort of talking to each other,

[00:48:04] looking at the game, not looking at each other's faces,

[00:48:06] just talking, Jan Sommers really fit, isn't he?

[00:48:09] Jan Sommers, a tasty piece to work.

[00:48:12] Like he's great for Switzerland

[00:48:15] and a lot of goalies are all big

[00:48:16] and you don't really get many ugly goalies.

[00:48:19] I think because they've got more time

[00:48:20] to look after themselves.

[00:48:22] I mean, I'm of a Steve Grisevich vintage,

[00:48:25] but I'll take the point and go with it.

[00:48:27] Yeah, go with it.

[00:48:28] He wasn't the best looking.

[00:48:29] I mean, if you're watching Steve, I do apologise.

[00:48:32] Yeah, but he, Jan Sommers was beautiful.

[00:48:35] So we were talking about, you know,

[00:48:37] bit of like man scape and bit of grooming,

[00:48:38] but watching this game

[00:48:39] and goals are flying in, quality goals as well.

[00:48:42] Like real, I love a right or left sided run in

[00:48:46] and just smash.

[00:48:47] As much as I like the Vincent company one

[00:48:50] where it was direct straight on.

[00:48:52] Gerrard, the FA Cup one like that.

[00:48:54] I love that pass back smack, but I love a cut in.

[00:48:59] I don't even know the words.

[00:49:00] That's how, you know, left or right,

[00:49:02] just cutting in and it coming in from an angle.

[00:49:06] Love those kinds of goals.

[00:49:07] And I think there was at least three

[00:49:08] in that four, three game.

[00:49:10] The Pavard one is the one that rings a bell

[00:49:13] because Pavard's story was quite interesting.

[00:49:14] I think he kind of got discovered

[00:49:16] by the national team a little bit later in his career

[00:49:19] and just became a real player.

[00:49:20] I love players like that.

[00:49:21] Yeah, I love what gets discovered later.

[00:49:24] Okay, nice, nice.

[00:49:25] Well, at the time the game had finished

[00:49:27] because we've been talking about

[00:49:29] who's the fittest goalkeeper

[00:49:31] and Googling them and showing them to each other

[00:49:33] of like, what do you think of him?

[00:49:34] Like that, it's like, well,

[00:49:35] I think David seems probably more attractive now

[00:49:38] than he was with just going through all these keepers

[00:49:40] and stuff like that.

[00:49:41] And all the old men in the pub had left.

[00:49:45] You're ruining it.

[00:49:46] Argentina, two very also like,

[00:49:49] without saying they're beautiful boys on those teams.

[00:49:52] They are good looking lads on both of those teams

[00:49:55] all like manscaping, groomed, like, tattoos.

[00:50:01] Henri was not playing surely had retired by 2018.

[00:50:07] But Henri also for me is like the pinnacle

[00:50:10] of like what a beautiful football player.

[00:50:13] How he moves and everything he does.

[00:50:16] And I think all of the France squad should, you know,

[00:50:19] I think they try and channel that as much as they can.

[00:50:22] Even when they play.

[00:50:23] He didn't play ugly, right?

[00:50:25] That 4-3 post,

[00:50:27] I don't know where it's like BC and AD, isn't it?

[00:50:30] Into football, France winning 4-3 2018 World Cup

[00:50:35] pre England 5-1 Germany.

[00:50:37] Yeah, when Sir Michael Owen scored a hat trick.

[00:50:40] Before 9-11, did you know?

[00:50:42] Yeah, before 9-11 famously.

[00:50:44] That 2018 France Argentina one was 17 years

[00:50:48] after 9-11.

[00:50:49] Spooky.

[00:50:50] We're going down in Matt Letizier dark web room.

[00:50:54] So I'm gonna give you the chance for redemption.

[00:50:56] I'm gonna offer you a current or former premier league

[00:50:59] player who can come and rescue you

[00:51:01] from the deserted island.

[00:51:03] Who would you go for and why?

[00:51:05] Oh God, before we started talking,

[00:51:08] I think I said I knew who I'd want

[00:51:10] and it's just gone out of my head.

[00:51:12] Oh man, someone who would be Eric Cantona.

[00:51:16] Eric Cantona, he counts, doesn't he?

[00:51:19] Yeah, yeah 100%.

[00:51:21] Eric Cantona because I think you got the beach volleyball,

[00:51:25] beach football there.

[00:51:27] Loved a bit of that.

[00:51:28] He was like France's beach football coach.

[00:51:29] Yeah, he was.

[00:51:30] Yeah, yeah, very good at it.

[00:51:32] And I think we've got similar demeanors.

[00:51:36] Who can forget when Jack Campbell launched

[00:51:38] into the crowd with the Kung Fu kick

[00:51:39] at Comedy and Cocktails.

[00:51:41] Yeah, I've got a side to me that I don't wanna be,

[00:51:45] that I've grown up since.

[00:51:47] When I was 18, I punched a window at a party.

[00:51:50] So, and I got banned from house parties for 18 months.

[00:51:55] When Campbell punches the window,

[00:51:58] it's because the side beam.

[00:52:00] Yeah, and it's that as well.

[00:52:01] He's a philosopher.

[00:52:02] We can sit on the beach and talk about philosophy.

[00:52:05] I think he'd be able to see

[00:52:07] and I'd want Eric Cantona as he is now.

[00:52:10] I wouldn't want Eric Cantona then.

[00:52:12] I'd want Eric Cantona now, peaceful,

[00:52:15] very at peace with it all.

[00:52:16] We're trapped on a desert island.

[00:52:18] We've survived the shipwreck

[00:52:19] and he'd just be like, it is what it is.

[00:52:21] We're here.

[00:52:22] I think he would also be like,

[00:52:24] you could probably eat me.

[00:52:26] I think he'd do that.

[00:52:27] He'd be so at peace with everything.

[00:52:29] I'd be at peace with him.

[00:52:29] I was happily, it's not about surviving.

[00:52:32] It's about, I think we'd both peacefully die

[00:52:36] on that island.

[00:52:37] Me and Cantona, holding hands in the sand.

[00:52:39] I mean, of all the approaches I've had to this question,

[00:52:42] peacefully dying in the arms of Eric Cantona is a new one,

[00:52:45] but they are all valid and that's the beauty of this.

[00:52:47] We can practice kicking each other, sure.

[00:52:50] Like just doing run-ups

[00:52:51] and just booting each other in the chest.

[00:52:53] You know, we'd make up philosophies

[00:52:56] and I think just as we're about to die,

[00:52:59] that's when a seagull shows up.

[00:53:01] The final irony of Eric Cantona's life.

[00:53:05] It would have to be Cantona.

[00:53:07] I'm not Thomas Roussicki playing an acoustic guitar,

[00:53:09] but it would have to be Cantona.

[00:53:11] I wouldn't want to hang out with, you know,

[00:53:13] some of the answers on there are great.

[00:53:14] I'm not in there for being,

[00:53:16] I'm on a desert island.

[00:53:17] There's going to be hard days.

[00:53:18] I think I want someone who's gone through hard times.

[00:53:22] Yeah.

[00:53:23] Finally, I'm going to give you a football

[00:53:24] to take with you to your desert island

[00:53:26] and give you one Premier League goal

[00:53:29] that you can recreate for the rest of time.

[00:53:31] Now, there was one goal,

[00:53:34] if for anyone who's watching on YouTube

[00:53:35] that I've put on the background,

[00:53:37] which isn't a Premier League goal

[00:53:38] that I think we ought to relive as well.

[00:53:40] I know this is one of your favourites.

[00:53:41] David Nugent's singular goal,

[00:53:45] one cap, one goal for England.

[00:53:47] So talk me through that one

[00:53:49] and then give me a Premier League goal

[00:53:51] that you would recreate on the island.

[00:53:54] Right, I'm such a dope again with recognising footballers.

[00:53:57] I didn't know that was David.

[00:53:58] I didn't know what that was.

[00:54:00] Right, okay.

[00:54:01] I was like,

[00:54:02] I always just put up a kooky little football background.

[00:54:04] Like when you get a birthday card with footballs on it.

[00:54:06] Like, oh, I like football.

[00:54:08] He's put up a football background.

[00:54:09] That goal, I think, represents more honestly

[00:54:15] what people would do in that situation.

[00:54:18] Right?

[00:54:19] In most situations in life,

[00:54:20] you've been given this opportunity,

[00:54:22] you got to go for it, right?

[00:54:23] I think David Nugent knew,

[00:54:25] I'm probably not going to play again.

[00:54:26] Like, I didn't even know.

[00:54:28] He said that people still approach him in the street

[00:54:31] and give him a stick for it

[00:54:32] and his answer is, have you ever scored for England?

[00:54:34] Which of course David Nugent has one cat, one goal.

[00:54:37] So in all fairness,

[00:54:39] and for anyone who doesn't know the goal

[00:54:40] we're talking about by the way,

[00:54:42] which is possible I guess,

[00:54:43] there is Jermain Defoe basically beats the goalkeeper.

[00:54:46] I think it's against Andorra.

[00:54:48] England are running up a score.

[00:54:50] David Nugent's come on

[00:54:51] and the ball is rolling over the line

[00:54:53] and literally, I mean, I'm not even from half a yard.

[00:54:56] The ball is practically on the line

[00:54:58] when David Nugent just comes in

[00:55:00] and wellies it to make sure it gets over.

[00:55:03] There's actually on the picture behind,

[00:55:04] the defenders clearly checking for offside.

[00:55:07] I mean, that would have been,

[00:55:08] that probably would have been remembered less favorably

[00:55:12] had he costing them the goal.

[00:55:14] There's also a huge empty stand.

[00:55:16] Like, and so with,

[00:55:19] and that's also the thing

[00:55:19] with like England and all the games they play

[00:55:21] that are so pointless.

[00:55:22] Like, it aligns perfectly for David Nugent of,

[00:55:28] right, I've got my call up,

[00:55:29] probably not gonna get another one.

[00:55:31] Was he playing in the championship at the time?

[00:55:33] I think, yeah, I think you may well have been.

[00:55:36] Yeah, Preston, something like that.

[00:55:39] And so like,

[00:55:41] I recently started a football manager one with Buxton

[00:55:43] and I signed David Nugent for free, Buxton.

[00:55:48] It just aligned perfectly where it's like, it wasn't,

[00:55:50] and of course they were gonna use him against Andorra

[00:55:54] or, you know, San Marino or something like that.

[00:55:58] Like, not gonna give them a proper one.

[00:56:00] It's David Nugent, what are we doing?

[00:56:02] Like, there must've been a load of injuries

[00:56:03] and so for all of that to align,

[00:56:05] it is an absolute representation of like,

[00:56:08] you take your opportunity,

[00:56:10] because otherwise, yeah, he's gonna fall into the category

[00:56:12] of being a one cap England player.

[00:56:15] I'm fun pub quiz answer.

[00:56:17] David Nugent's like, I wanna be one cap, one goal.

[00:56:21] Like, that's what I'm after,

[00:56:23] that's what I'm here for.

[00:56:24] Everyone on this pitch is better than me.

[00:56:26] Like, you know, I'm good.

[00:56:29] I'm not saying he's not good, but,

[00:56:31] and I don't know, I would have loved to have known

[00:56:34] whether he found it funny,

[00:56:36] whether Jermaine Defoe found it funny, like,

[00:56:40] and whether the whole team were like,

[00:56:41] that was really funny.

[00:56:42] That's why I love that.

[00:56:46] I didn't watch the game.

[00:56:47] I have no recollection really of it.

[00:56:49] I just know it happened, as I think a lot of like,

[00:56:52] when you kind of go past a certain level

[00:56:54] of being a football fan, it's a wonderful reference.

[00:56:58] And for it to be recreated,

[00:57:01] I think it does definitely represent something of like,

[00:57:04] there's a match going on, doesn't really matter.

[00:57:06] And oh, there's gonna be a goal, wait a second.

[00:57:10] Someone else has pinched it.

[00:57:13] Who's pinched it?

[00:57:14] The person who most deserved to pinch it.

[00:57:16] That was Jermaine Defoe wouldn't have pinched it.

[00:57:19] No one else would have thought to.

[00:57:20] Everyone else would have let Jermaine Defoe

[00:57:22] do what he had to do.

[00:57:24] David Nugent was like, now!

[00:57:26] And it all just lined up perfectly for him.

[00:57:30] And I'm glad it counted.

[00:57:31] It would have been horrible if it didn't.

[00:57:32] So that's your international goal in the bag.

[00:57:35] Which Premier League goal would you recreate forevermore?

[00:57:38] So the beach ball one for Darren Bent.

[00:57:41] And I've got a big soft spot for Darren Bent.

[00:57:43] He went to school in the next town along.

[00:57:47] He lived in Cambridge here for a bit.

[00:57:49] And the beach ball again, it's just ridiculous

[00:57:51] It was even allowed to happen.

[00:57:54] But those moments like the Lampard 2010 World Cup goal

[00:57:59] become, we've got to change something.

[00:58:02] We can't allow this to happen again.

[00:58:04] And listening to Talk Sport,

[00:58:06] I haven't listened to it in ages now

[00:58:07] because I've got into cricket.

[00:58:09] So it's just five lives extra all the time.

[00:58:11] But I loved Darren Bent on Talk Sport.

[00:58:14] At first you listen to footballers sometimes.

[00:58:16] They're a bit thick.

[00:58:17] He is so himself.

[00:58:21] He doesn't take himself seriously,

[00:58:22] but he's also, he is a professional.

[00:58:24] When he's on it on his own without Andy Goldstein,

[00:58:27] who is so annoying,

[00:58:28] like Max Rushton sums it up perfectly.

[00:58:31] It's like, oh, you can listen to the drive time show

[00:58:32] where they'll be talking about who's a better team,

[00:58:34] Man United or Arsenal.

[00:58:36] And that's all drive time football,

[00:58:38] breakfast show football, drive time football is.

[00:58:41] Who's your favourite?

[00:58:42] You have to pick one.

[00:58:43] You have to pick one.

[00:58:44] Whereas Darren Bent doesn't really,

[00:58:45] but that beach ball goal,

[00:58:46] again, it shouldn't have counted.

[00:58:49] And it's so strange that it was allowed

[00:58:52] and that no one thought

[00:58:55] we should get rid of that beach ball.

[00:58:57] Yeah.

[00:58:58] Like, you know,

[00:58:59] and there's just something about it.

[00:59:00] It's just all that money in football

[00:59:02] and that happens.

[00:59:03] Yeah.

[00:59:04] Entire seasons can swing on it.

[00:59:07] Well, so that's you playing the part of Darren Bent.

[00:59:09] Obviously you're going to have Eric Cantona there

[00:59:11] playing a wrong-footed Pepe Reina.

[00:59:14] And Cantona kicking it.

[00:59:17] The company goal,

[00:59:18] the screamer against Leicester

[00:59:20] that I think meant Man City won.

[00:59:22] Pretty much.

[00:59:24] It kept the title in their hands.

[00:59:25] Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:26] And especially it being like companies last season.

[00:59:28] I love Vincent Company as well.

[00:59:29] He's so elegant.

[00:59:32] He is elegant, eloquent,

[00:59:34] really, really clever.

[00:59:35] What footballers almost should be

[00:59:38] and was like a lion on the pitch as well.

[00:59:41] He's so good.

[00:59:44] Side note, didn't Mikael Silvestre have a very odd head?

[00:59:47] Yeah.

[00:59:48] He had a lash of sand around it.

[00:59:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:59:52] Well done.

[00:59:53] I know it's been mentioned before on it,

[00:59:54] but like I get chills

[00:59:57] thinking about Rooney's overhead goal.

[01:00:00] It wasn't even perfect.

[01:00:02] It didn't come off his foot, did it?

[01:00:03] It came off his shin.

[01:00:05] Well, I've had this conversation

[01:00:07] with the previous guest who kind of said,

[01:00:08] well, you know, went where he went,

[01:00:09] tended it to go.

[01:00:10] So does it matter?

[01:00:11] And I think that that's fair.

[01:00:14] And it's the whole thing of it is,

[01:00:16] and then they did like,

[01:00:18] they put an effect on it for an advert on Sky

[01:00:20] where it was almost like cartoon,

[01:00:23] not cartoon drawn, but like pencil drawn.

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:26] Yeah, like a flip book.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:28] Yeah.

[01:00:29] And it like the snowman almost.

[01:00:31] And I feel the same way about watching the snowman

[01:00:35] as I do about Rooney's overhead goal

[01:00:37] and the celebration, like arms out, like, you know.

[01:00:41] And I think with that versus say David Nugent,

[01:00:44] as much as it's about things aligning and being perfect,

[01:00:47] with Rooney there's so much more like,

[01:00:50] yeah, this is gonna work.

[01:00:52] This is gonna happen.

[01:00:53] I have to do this.

[01:00:54] And it's not out of,

[01:00:56] I think with Rooney, it's like,

[01:00:57] this is the only way I can visualize this goal going in.

[01:01:01] Yeah.

[01:01:02] Like, whereas David Nugent could have like

[01:01:04] ran on the floor and tapped it in with his head.

[01:01:08] That would be the only thing

[01:01:08] that would have made Nugent's goal better.

[01:01:10] I think it's time, Carl,

[01:01:13] that I gave an answer that everyone else gave.

[01:01:15] Rooney's overhead goal, slow motion,

[01:01:19] including the celebration, you know, eyes closed of,

[01:01:24] cause it wasn't, it was luck, but it wasn't with that.

[01:01:28] Nugent's goal was just naughty.

[01:01:32] In all the wrong ways.

[01:01:34] Nugent might as well have come out of the ground,

[01:01:37] and popped up last minute, you know.

[01:01:41] Well, Jack Campbell, it has been an absolute pleasure

[01:01:44] having your Desert Island matches.

[01:01:46] What are you up to?

[01:01:47] Is there anything, where can we find you online?

[01:01:49] Kind of where can people follow you,

[01:01:50] find out where you're gigging

[01:01:51] and all that sort of stuff.

[01:01:52] I've got footage online.

[01:01:54] I'm not a big one for putting a lot of footage,

[01:01:56] AMC a lot.

[01:01:57] I'm doing a lot of work at just the Tonic in Leicester,

[01:02:00] but I suppose it depends when this goes out.

[01:02:02] I gig a lot.

[01:02:03] I'm not touring.

[01:02:04] So follow me on Instagram, Jack Campbell Comedy.

[01:02:09] I've just started with TikTok.

[01:02:12] I put up some thirst traps, cause why not?

[01:02:16] Mainly me in the gym doing pull-ups,

[01:02:20] cause you can never grow up.

[01:02:22] You can never grow too old to do pull-ups.

[01:02:24] But I've also just started putting up footage of me

[01:02:27] playing FAPerminute Manages 2002, and it's shoddy.

[01:02:31] I haven't got more fancy set up,

[01:02:33] one day I might do for it.

[01:02:35] But I'm literally recording using my phone

[01:02:38] from the screen.

[01:02:40] So I'm starting to put that up on TikTok.

[01:02:42] I've got three seasons with Exeter

[01:02:44] where it is the thing of football manager

[01:02:47] when you really get into it,

[01:02:48] of how daft a game can be on there.

[01:02:53] So I'm online.

[01:02:54] I don't really publish,

[01:02:55] put much stuff up on there.

[01:02:58] It's got some clips and whatever,

[01:02:59] and maybe we'll gig again together soon, Carl.

[01:03:02] We haven't gigged together a long time.

[01:03:04] It's been a while.

[01:03:05] I very much hope so.

[01:03:06] The Exeter TikTok stuff sounds very much

[01:03:08] like the demographic for this podcast.

[01:03:10] So go and find Jack on there.

[01:03:13] Jack, it's been an absolute pleasure.

[01:03:14] I hope we share a stage together very soon.

[01:03:17] Cheers, Carl.

[01:03:21] So that was Jack.

[01:03:23] I think you'll probably see what I mean

[01:03:24] about just how many games of football

[01:03:26] we covered in an hour.

[01:03:28] Not quite sure which one he's taken to the desert island

[01:03:30] in all cases, but it doesn't really matter.

[01:03:32] What a lovely guy, a very charming chat.

[01:03:36] Jack, I think consumes football in a similar way to me

[01:03:39] in the fact that he enjoys the geography of it,

[01:03:41] the history of it, the culture of it,

[01:03:43] kind of what it means to individuals.

[01:03:45] And I very much relate to that as well.

[01:03:47] I think we've got a commonality there.

[01:03:50] So hopefully you enjoyed that

[01:03:51] and maybe learnt about one or two football teams

[01:03:54] that you didn't know an awful lot about.

[01:03:56] I know I certainly did.

[01:03:58] Last week, we put a player

[01:04:00] in the Premier League of Nations Hall of Fame

[01:04:02] from Chile.

[01:04:04] James Green was my guest.

[01:04:05] He picked Gary Medell.

[01:04:07] You didn't agree on the vote.

[01:04:10] Gary Medell got just 6% of the votes.

[01:04:12] In second place with 27% of the votes

[01:04:15] was Alexis Sanchez, but way out front

[01:04:17] with 67% of the votes, it was Jean Bosaure.

[01:04:22] So Jean Bosaure, a perhaps underwhelming

[01:04:26] Premier League career, but actually quite a stalwart

[01:04:30] of the Premier League for quite a few years.

[01:04:32] One of those kind of unsung heroes.

[01:04:33] And that is who your vote was.

[01:04:35] And I can't argue with that.

[01:04:37] And let's face it, probably slightly more likable

[01:04:40] than Alexis Sanchez.

[01:04:41] Jean Bosaure goes into the Premier League of Nations

[01:04:45] Hall of Fame for Chile, edging out also

[01:04:48] Clarence O'Cunha.

[01:04:49] Sorry to the person who got in touch with me

[01:04:51] on Twitter this week,

[01:04:52] asking where he was in the shortlist.

[01:04:54] So that is everything for today's show.

[01:04:58] Next week's show is a return

[01:05:00] to the all-time Premier League table.

[01:05:03] We're up to 43rd, I think, and it is Reading FC.

[01:05:07] I've got a couple of great guests talking

[01:05:08] about the recent history of Reading.

[01:05:10] Obviously they're that record-breaking team

[01:05:12] in the championship.

[01:05:13] They've had a couple of spells in the Premier League.

[01:05:16] One really, really impressive season

[01:05:18] out of those as well.

[01:05:19] A club that's had a slightly more difficult

[01:05:22] few years of late.

[01:05:24] We cover a lot of that as well in great detail.

[01:05:26] Join me next week for Reading's Premier League history.

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[01:06:09] But that's it for today's show.

[01:06:11] A huge thanks to my guest Jack Campbell.

[01:06:13] I'll be back next week with Reading FC's time

[01:06:17] in the Premier League.

[01:06:18] Until then, thank you for watching.

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