Concerts: did we really want to see Taylor Swift, Paul McCartney and Mumford & Sons?

[00:00:00] This show is nominated for a 2026 Golden Lobes Podcast Award. Get in! Hello, I'm Will. And I'm Hugh. And this is Legitimate Likes, the podcast where we take a look at some of humanity's most popular fascinations. And we try to work out, are they really worthy of the hype? They may be likes, but are they Legitimate Likes? This week we're talking about concerts with the producers Michael and Onya.

[00:00:27] So we're kicking off, are we? That was a deeply unpleasant experience, Hugh, that we all had there. I feel... I don't like being late to wait, I have to say. Michael, was this the first episode that you've arrived on time for in our run of over 200? The only person who's ever been on time is me. Maybe Hugh by accident. Yeah, exactly. But he'll set up the Zoom and then he'll leave. And I only know that, and you guys don't, because you're never here.

[00:00:54] We never start on time. So the idea that you're complaining about Hugh's podcast running five minutes late is an outrage? I said nothing. I said absolutely nothing. I was talking to Michael on you, but you did catch some strays, to be fair. This is the first time that we've been made wait outside the portal that we use. And Michael was all talk. He said... I didn't like it. He said, I'll come whenever I want. And you didn't, did you? You waited. I waited. Yeah. And I didn't like it.

[00:01:22] I had a dream. I had a dream about legitimate likes last night, which I think I have to tell you about. And basically, we were ready to record with a friend of Will's. Okay? This dream... Montgomery Thistledown the first. Exactly. Or something like Becky O. Shocknessy. She's London's premier Irish English comedian, and she only does her work in mime. And she's here now.

[00:01:47] Well, do you know what? It'll play very true to life because basically, in the course of this conversation, I did an impression... I was doing various impressions, which I know, Anya, is really your thing. But I was doing impressions of different cricketers. And one of the cricketers I did an impression of was Michael Holding, former West Indian fast bowler. And Will's friend said nothing at the time... Should he not be bowling not holding? Is that anything? Sure.

[00:02:16] It's definitely the second best pun involving that cricketer's name that's ever happened. Yeah, exactly. He's the famous one, Anya, the bowler's holding the batsman's willy. Which I think we might have brought up before. Oh, yeah. I think we bring up maybe once a month. In the dream afterwards, Will's friend then went to Will and said, I can't believe you wanted me to do a podcast with this guy who's doing racist impressions. I'm not going on the podcast. And then we, all four of us, were walking...

[00:02:44] It was like walking back from a pub. And Will, you were absolutely furious with me. Yeah. Michael and Anya less so, but you were all like, Hugh, why are you doing racist impressions? Oh, you didn't. And I wasn't. You did do racist impressions. No, I didn't. I did an impression of someone from the West Indies, but it wasn't a racist impression. But crucially, he did this in his dream. But it came off. In my dream. He isn't racist, but he dreams he was. No, no. Listen to the impressions episode. I maintain. It wasn't... It wasn't...

[00:03:13] Plus, the only word I can do in this man's voice... Is the hill that you want to dial? Is the word captain. Yeah. Captain. That's how he says it. It gets a... I don't know if the cat comes in. Sounds like he's from Cork. Yeah. Well, Hugh, you might have been having dreams, but Anya and I are actually living the dream. I don't think we've disclosed this to you, but Anya and I have a bit of a side hustle, a bit of a joint venture going on. It's paying off handsomely. We're on the pig's back. I do all the work and Michael makes all the money.

[00:03:44] Yeah. I'm selling his shoes for him on vintage. And so far, I've sold... It's so weird that you're still doing this. I thought this was a one-off thing. No, no, no. Well, we've only sold one of the pairs. Anya, don't talk it down. We have proof of concept. Like, we know the market is there. We know the market is there. You know? We... So I sell them Michael packages and ships them, and then he gets all the money. Yeah. I handle origination and distribution of Anya's marketing. I have a feeling, Anya, that Michael is buying them back himself. Well, so usually...

[00:04:13] Will, you're a... Or sorry, Hugh, you're a vinted-er. Usually there's... The person reviews them, but sometimes if they don't review, you just get an auto review. So we got a five-star auto review, which I don't count. I want to hear somebody review your shoes. No, don't count it. So... Five stars. Five stars. That's pretty good. But Michael, if you have anything else you want me to sell, other than identical shoes, they're all the same, which is kind of creepy in its way. It's weird that I have so many of them. Like, it brings an air of legitimacy to it as well. Like... Oh, like we're stocking them. This is... Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:43] But it also maybe makes people think that I've stolen them. Yeah, it does. Michael, you only have three pairs of shoes though. Oh, yeah, I know. But I, as you know, I never wore any of these. So you have your Timberlands, you have your running runners, and you have your work shoes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Your work shoes sounds like you're, you know, you're down on the farm. Steel toe boots. Yeah. They're not. They're not. Michael, do you not have a sand... Oh, I bet if you have a sandal, I bet it's like an old Dutch man's hiking sandal, is it?

[00:05:14] It is. Yeah, it is exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Buy an old Dutch man's hiking sandal. Do you mean it belongs to an old Dutch man and he's stolen it? And he's just got one of them. If you had to say somebody was most likely to steal an elderly Dutch tourist shoes, it's definitely Hugh and I don't really know why. No, I think you're right though, yeah. Yeah. I think you're the most likely to by accident, Ornia. You'd pick them up and think they're yours.

[00:05:41] And then they'd be like, why does this say Hans in it? These are for feet. It should say feet. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. But Hugh out of pure malevolence, I think. I think if you needed them and you saw an opportunity, I'm just, I'm not saying you would do it, but you're the most likely to do it. Yeah. I know I'd agree. I'd agree. Well, Michael's going around Dublin stealing men's shoes and selling them to you. So. Do you remember Ornia when my shoes got stolen? Yeah. And we used to work together. Hugh's shoes got stolen and there was a full scale investigation. They got stolen in the locker room.

[00:06:10] There was runners there and they appeared, they reappeared. I'd given them up for lost. But was it not a note? And what about two and a half months later? No, two and a half months later, they appeared back with the note in them then. What did the note say? Saying sorry, thought these were mine. Oh, that's not mysterious. It should have been like, find the jade monkey or something like that. We still think we know who it was. And this person used to do serious mileage in the runners as well, which was a bit of a concern. Do you remember he used to, I don't want to say where, but he used to, let's say, Will, if this was London to get to work in central London,

[00:06:37] he would be coming in from like Oxford and he'd run like from Oxford to, I don't know, Oxford Circus and then get the tube the rest of the way. Wasn't that it, Will? Or Hugh? When you embarked upon that analogy, I was like, she's not going to land this. And running from Oxford to Oxford Circus. I know why you've put those two together, but that's so long. No, let me, let me, let me try again. Let me try again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oxford to Walthamstow. Again. And then getting the tube the rest of the way in. No.

[00:07:07] That's pretty good. And it makes sense. That's unbelievably far. Oxford to Walthamstow. Okay. Will, this was really far. Where was he going for? Was he going from Greystones on you? No, Belfast. What? He wasn't running from Belfast. He didn't run from Belfast to Dublin. He used to, I think he used to, sorry, we can bleep out that he used to drive, let's say, he used to drive from Cork, let's say. Okay. No, it doesn't matter. This man isn't listening. He used to drive from Belfast, right?

[00:07:33] And he'd park his car somewhere along the way and then did he, oh yeah, he parked in Whitehall and then he'd run the rest of the way to work in the city centre. Okay, Onya, how many, how many kilometers? It's only about six kilometers, I think, Onya. How many kilometers do you think Oxford is away from Walthamstow? 250. 96 kilometers. Okay, I don't, look, I don't know, I don't know. But what I will say is, it's an insane way to finish your commute is my point. It is. No, that's true. Yeah.

[00:08:02] And I suppose given that, again, he's not listening, he was a 40 year old man, we never learned his name, we just called him Baby Bird Man because he was very tall and quite broad shoulders. And he looked like a baby bird. But he has a tiny head that looked like a baby bird. Yeah. And we don't know if he stole them. We don't know. It was never confirmed. It must have been him. But also, if you have a job where you have to bring anything with you, like he had to bring it on his back and then he had to do it in reverse in the evening. What I also don't know is how he stole my runners but didn't leave any other runners behind. Hmm. Yeah. It's fishy.

[00:08:31] It raises more questions than the birds. He was a bird, he flew. That's true. Yeah. Michael, you've got something for us to chew on. Yeah, I mean we're not here to talk about any of those things. What we are here to talk about because it's summer, maybe not that summery right now, but technically summer. It's concert season. So we're talking about concerts, going to concerts, anticipating going to concerts, looking back at having been at concerts. Don't worry about concerts. Ahem. No, give us some more examples.

[00:09:01] Ahem. Considering what concerts you might go to, discussing concerts with friends, things like that. So we'll get into whether or not they're a legitimate like. First, the Legitimate Likes Three Questions quiz. Question one. The biggest concert in history, what was it? Lady Gaga in Brazil. That's a very good answer. Is it the right answer? But, not correct. Is that one where they're clicking? Live Aid. That can't be that big, can I, Hugh? Oh no, I don't think so, Will. No. Also a good guess.

[00:09:32] I'm so confident. Anya was very, very close. Is it someone else in Brazil or is it Lady Gaga somewhere else? It was someone else in Brazil. So you're right, Anya. It's a bad bunny. Shakira and Lady Gaga both did a concert on Copacabana Beach in May of this year and had over two million people in attendance at each of those concerts, which is wild.

[00:09:56] But in December 1994 on New Year's Eve, Rod Stewart did the same again on Copacabana Beach and had 4.2 million people in attendance. That's too many people. They weren't in attendance. You're not, Will is right. Will, take this one. 80,000 of them were in attendance. And the rest of them were nearby. The rest of them had gone to the beach and could hear some speakers.

[00:10:25] They were at the greater concert. I'm sorry. In the greater concert area. It's true. I've been to all concerts. This is a complete outrage. Yeah. Where are they on the beach? They were on the beach. They were jiving along to Maggie Mae. How far away were they from Rod Stewart? I think for at least part of it, he was on some kind of floating stage offshore. Like an oil rig. Is that what you call drugs? Yeah. So what are the songs?

[00:10:55] Like Rod Stewart really? Do you think I'm sexy? Sailing. Do you think I'm sexy? Pretty good song. Sailing. Is that a good song? No, none of it's good. Are you a big Rod Stewart fan? Maggie Mae is pretty good, right? So did all these people buy tickets or were they just at the beach? No. So there are separate records for ticketed concerts. So there are separate records for concerts. And then there's a record for when Rod Stewart was near a beach. Rod Stewart was just singing on a boat and he gets the record. Yeah, yeah. He was having a shower.

[00:11:24] In that case, you could just go down the Thames from Oxford to Walthamstow and sing and be like, I've done the whole of London. Like that's how we could get our world record. Guys, do you know what? If I've done a world record, what would you say is the world record for the longest male urination? What period of time? You know, Michael, I didn't know where you were going with this one. I didn't have high expectations and you've still managed to disappoint them. What would you say it is?

[00:11:54] I've genuinely no idea. I thought Oxford was 250 kilometers from Walthamstow. Six minutes, 12 seconds. I would have thought so too, Hugh. Something like that. No. 25 seconds. It is 50 seconds. Which... Huh? I'm just gonna say, I feel like that's doable. Is 50 seconds the longest urination? Yeah. No, this is a lie. That's not... We could tick off two records. We could do Will's barge down the Thames idea for the largest concert and we could all do a B.

[00:12:22] And we'd be coming home with two gongs. Yeah. You know? Just, Michael, I know you've come to London quite a bit. If you call it the Thames, people are gonna laugh at you. What do you call it? The Thames. The Thames, yeah. What do we say? Thames. I think you try and anglicize it and go like, oh, it's the Thames. The Thames. The Thames. Yeah, it should be very easy for us to be like, it's the bloody Thames. Thames the breaks, I guess. Question two. Plenty of things get thrown at artists who are performing on stage. Some artists actually throw things back.

[00:12:51] Do we know what DJ Steve Aoki throws at the crowd? A birthday cake. Yes. Yes. He throws a big birthday cake and people pull up a sign and they say like, cake me. And they want to have a big, I mean a huge big, like what they call it, a sheet cake in America. A sheet cake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool that I know that. Will Hugh, have you ever seen this? Pretty young. No. Very cool. That's good. You've got your finger on the pulse on you.

[00:13:17] I was at Derren Brown recently and Derren Brown gave one of his not volunteers who ended up on stage a Colin Caterpillar cake as a role. What a delicious reward. That's fun. Did he hurl it at them though? Why didn't he handle it to them lightly? So, Steve Aoki, it genuinely is worth the watch. He will get up on stage with, as Onyus says, a massive, like you need two hands to hold these things. Someone will be like 50 meters away in the middle of the crowd. I don't believe it. And he will pinpoint them out and there are multiple clips of him. No, you're Oxford. No, it's insane. Yeah, no. Absolutely.

[00:13:47] I believe the phrase is yeeting this cake and nailing people from a significant distance. It's very, very, very impressive. Is it impressive, Michael? It is. It is cool. Yeah, it's cool. The accuracy is amazing. But I just think we need to be careful with the word impressive. Because throwing a cake at someone is not impressive. It's, it's, it's so, it just, it's not aerodynamic at all. It's hard to get purchase on. And again, his accuracy is remarkable.

[00:14:17] It's not, not aerodynamic though. Yeah, yeah. Why is the cake not aerodynamic? They're sheet cakes. These are, they're big, big, big rectangles of... Planes are aerodynamic, Michael. They're big. Yeah, they are. But this is a rectangle. Very, very few, vanishingly few planes are rectangles. Well, it's a cuboid, Michael, actually. That's true. That's true. You've got me there. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Question three.

[00:14:45] Which 1980 film follows the path of a band who must reunite the rhythm and blues band and organise a performance to earn $5,000 needed to pay property tax bill for their former orphanage? Ba-ba-da-ow, ba-da-ow, ba-da-ow, ba-da-ow. So Will now, is Anya Hugh, any idea? Ba-ba-ba-ba-ow. Is it the Blues Brothers? It is the Blues Brothers. What's going on, Will? I am on fire with this quiz. Well done, Will.

[00:15:13] Hey, folks, here's the story about Minnie the Moocher Brainy. Blues Brothers. Great film. Great songs. Very, very slow film when you go back to watch it now. I don't know if my mind's just been addled by social media, but... It is slow, and I know this sounds like a terrible thing to say about a film, but it is definitely a film that you watch once and then enjoy later. You kind of have to be, you know, familiar with where it's going to really enjoy it. Oh, I had the opposite experience.

[00:15:42] I really enjoyed it when I was younger and I first watched it, and then now I go back to it, I'm like, oh, God, that's... It's so long until they're 106 miles from Chicago, which you could run in about half an hour, right, Anya? Easy. So that's the quiz, guys. I mean, it turns out you know quite a lot about concerts, or certainly Anya does. Who amongst us do we think has been to the most concerts? Hugh.

[00:16:10] Well, I have a question about the... I think it's very, very old that we're doing an episode on concerts. Concerts. Concerts. What do you call them? Well, I would have gone for gigs. But a gig could be anything. To me, a concert is like, you're in the three arena, it's not one of your, whatever it is, YouTube-y at will in some little dungeon in Camden or whatever.

[00:16:36] Like the gig I went to in the top of an abandoned apartment building in Berlin where they had vegan burritos for five euro, but you sort of just made it yourself. Oh, that is disgusting. So, Anya, I'm interested to choose me. I think I've been to the fewest. I'd say Michael's been to the most. He's already asking this because he wants to show off. Of course he is. No, I'm not trying to show off. I actually would have bet it was Will. I'd say I've been to easily the least. Really? How many do you think you've been to? Not a big concert person. Very few.

[00:17:05] Okay, Anya, I think I've been to five concerts. I've been to... Three of them I got free tickets to. I've only paid for two. This is unbelievable. I've been to less than five a day. Less than five. Really? Yeah, the last time I was at a concert was in 2019. Wow. That's a what? A classic like... So who was that you went to? What was in 2019? It was Fleetwood Mac and you got to go, you know, going out on a high. That's amazing, in fairness.

[00:17:33] Yeah, and great to see them before they start to die. So... Well, I was wondering which act could kind of tempt you out of your den. No, there'd be a lot of people if like... If I thought... Like if Stevie Nicks brought her tour to Dublin, I'd definitely go. Like there's a few people that there's no way I wouldn't go. But you wouldn't go to London to see Stevie Nicks? No, like I've never... Well, it would depend, I suppose. Walthamstow? Yeah, well, you know. It's close.

[00:18:01] I do think it's a cool idea if there's something on and you go to see it in like a cool city. I wouldn't pick London. Like, I think it'd be great to go to like Paris or something or Rome, you know? I probably wouldn't on balance. And a lot of those people never come to Ireland, so... It's disappointing, alright. And I'd go see the Rolling Stones, eh? Would you? Yeah. This is just furthering my thought that you guys are all really old. I'll go to all these old people. I'll go and see a concert.

[00:18:28] Yeah, but I'm not so old that I'm a contemporary of the Rolling Stones, Will. I know, but I only want to go if it's Stevie Nicks or someone I like. But also, Will, would it not be odder if Anya was like, I want to go to see... I don't know. Steve Aoki. Name someone that's not the Rolling Stones. Somebody name a band that's not the Rolling Stones. I was gonna say Chapel Rowan, but Anya probably would go to Chapel Rowan. Probably have a banging time there. No, I wouldn't. But like BTS. No, because like a lot of my friends were at CMAT there last week.

[00:18:57] Is that like SeaWorld? That wouldn't interest me really at all. Yeah, Michael, what do you think CMAT is? I actually live quite near to where the CMAT concert was on, so... He knows. And we made a mistake of telling anyone if they were going and they needed anything, you know, from our house, just drop in. And we had about 45 people come through the house. I was running a bike park. Oh, is this where you learn about the longest urination thing? Just timing people outside. 48. 48. 49. It's fun though.

[00:19:25] Hugh, you were at Paul McCartney recently. That's what planted the seed for me that you're a big concert goer. Yeah, I wouldn't say I am. But again, that was very specific. Like, he's doing another tour. I'm a massive Beatles fan. They'll all be dead very soon. Let's go and see him. Ringo is gonna live forever. Yeah, but I'm not gonna go and see Ringo in concert. Oh, come on. You would go see Ringo. I would. I would. But I traveled to Manchester to see Paul McCartney. Yeah.

[00:19:52] And flew back on a 6am flight to get into school the following day. But like I say, Paul McCartney is a good example. If he came to Dublin, it would be crazy not to go. Do you know what I mean? Oh, oh, if he, if he tours. So he was in the States again a few months ago, and I don't want to go to the States. But if he announces any sort of tour that is at all manageable, I'm gonna go again. Yeah. What's the last concert you were at, Michael? Uh, like. Oh, Taylor Swift.

[00:20:22] There we go. There we go. Taylor Swift. On the, on the concert this episode, couldn't you have thrown him a more softball question? That was too hard. Yeah. What's the last one that you were at? Like an honest to God. The last one I went to. Mm. Um, I went to see Bright Eyes in the Shepherd's Bush Empire last year. Does that count? Sure. You know the guys who sing this is the first day of my life? Take that song. No. No.

[00:20:53] Oh, the best day. I was thinking today this could be the first day of my life. I'm wearing a cap. I'm not going to say take that. I have seen Robbie Williams live in Roundo Park. I, I've seen both take that and Robbie Williams. Uh, I've been to their concerts and when I was at a Robbie Williams concert in Dublin, there's this bit where he kind of hovers over the crowd and he was very, very close. And the woman next to us shouted, spit on me Robbie. And did he?

[00:21:23] No, he didn't. And so Michael, tell us now, was he very close to you because you queued from the early hours or did you have some nice little VIP tickets? No, no. We were just, we were pressed up against the, you know, the way stages now have the, I think stadium concerts now, they really do try and get the artist out into the crowd, you know? So if you're anywhere near the stage, they're going to be near you. Yeah, if you're near the stage, you've been queuing, Michael. No, no, no. So, so I think if you, if you want to be right in the front row, then yes, you have to queue and you have to accept a crush.

[00:21:51] But my strategy at concerts is always about 10, 20 yards back from the stage. There's always a turnover zone. It's so close to the stage at a big concert. I know, but there's, there's a zone. But if you wait, if you wait till 15, 20 minutes into the concert, people have been crushed up against the front. They're good. They, they, they, they can't, they can't hack it, right? There's going to be, there's going to be turnover there. There's going to, there's this zone where people are moving out. But I did also do, I was at Pink's concert in Dublin and she takes that kind of being out

[00:22:19] amongst the crowd thing to a really extreme. To the point that it's not a singing concert. It's more of a sort of a Cirque du Soleil. Yeah. She's, she's, she's catapulted out into the crowd. And like, it's like, it's, it's almost comical. Like you're looking, she's over your shoulder. She's, she's there. You turn around, you look at your wife, takes off her wig. It's pink. Like she's everywhere. Did you shout spit on me pink? No, I did though. She was very close at one point. And I shouted as loud as I could. I shouted, go on pink.

[00:22:49] And she made direct eye contact with me. And I was really happy. When the woman was shouting spit on me, Robbie, were you next to her going, could you piss too? And I'll time it. I'd say Robbie Williams is well up for breaking that record. A hundred percent. Yeah. I would love to go see Robbie Williams. Actually. I saw him in Round A Park years ago and he was supported by Basement Jacks. Oh, cool. And then also Orson.

[00:23:18] Do you remember Orson? Wells. Oh yes. Let's go to a rave and behave like we're tripping just be, that song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they did another one. Like. No Tomorrow was called. Something about a day. A good day. No Tomorrow was called No Tomorrow. No, there was a song about a day on you. Tomorrow's a day. No, no. One day like this. You're thinking of Elbow. No. I disagree. Today is going to be the day you're thinking of Oasis. Orson were like a one hit wonder and No Tomorrow was their song.

[00:23:47] Yesterday was the Beatles, Will. Okay. Tell me why I don't like Mondays. This is all really helpful. Orson. Maybe Tuesday. Manic Monday. Orson's. Sheffield Wednesday, their football team. Maundy Thursday, religious holiday. They did a, here's my bright idea. I wasn't thinking of the day song at all. I was giving you no clues.

[00:24:15] No, all red herrings over here. I saw them. And then after the concert, like a couple of days later, like we all went around to Randy Park to sit near the concert because they can't stop you sitting in the park. And there was this giant pile of garden furniture because people had brought chairs, like camping chairs to try and sit in, but you weren't allowed to bring them in. So they were just in a pile. So me and my friends took all these chairs and I found like a Burberry chair. I was like, this is sick. But then I left it at Faye Venables' house. Then every time I saw Faye Venables, I was like, I need to get my chair.

[00:24:45] And then I never did. Another amazing name unlocked. Faye Venables. Faye Venables. She was lovely. I think she was the first, the first vegan I ever knew. Shout out to Faye. No, not true. That was Morgan Golf French. Shout out to Morgan. Screw you, Faye. Morgan Golf French. Morgan Golf French. Yeah. One of his surnames was golf. And the other one is French. And the other one is French. Lovely boy. Really nice boy.

[00:25:12] Is that one name or two names? No, are you confused? Was he French? And his surname was like, golf. Is that how he's in your phone? Will, is that just how you put him in your phone? His name is Morgan and then a space. And then the word golf. And then a hyphen. And the word French. Do you want to know what he's up to now? He's a historian of early modern central Europe. In the Turin humanities program. Yeah. Smart boy.

[00:25:43] Sorry. His name is actually golf French. That is by some distance the greatest English name I've ever heard. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. Excellent. Lovely boy. Hi, Morgan. Faye Venables. Forget it. Yeah. Faye has been really usurped there. Guys, what are the best and the worst bits of a night out at a concert? Well, the worst bits, obviously all the queuing, the queuing for everything, the drinks, getting in the bathroom, you know, it's the queuing. The best bit is like the volume, the noise, you know what I mean? The sheer volume of the music is the best bit.

[00:26:13] The chest pounding bass. Yeah. And I'm often disappointed that it's not louder. Okay. I have a real issue with, I've sort of the opposite issue, that I think most gigs anyway, maybe concerts are different, but most like sound experiences I've been to, there's often one man at the back who's in charge of the sound and he's like between 60 and 96 and he's been doing it forever and he can't hear a fucking thing.

[00:26:43] Yeah. And he's wandering around with an iPad that he doesn't know how to use. Oh, it's too loud. And he just can't mix the sound. I think it can be too loud, can be too quiet, whatever, but the mix of the sound, you've got to have a nice mix. And I went to see, when I went to see Bright Eyes at the Shepherd's Bush the other day, the other day, last year, I was so annoyed at how bad the sound was. I could not believe how muddy it was. It was just all like a noise rather than like being like, well. I had that in a theater recently and I was like, how are they possibly, how on earth

[00:27:11] are the microphones for this play, this musical, like 25% too loud? It's such a difficult job, but like the people who, I think it should be like you get to do it for three years and then you're out. Cause you just, you can't, it's hard to gauge where the sound is going to be and how it's guys. I feel like this is sort of a people at glass houses situation. I mean, our first hundred episodes, you know, I mean, sound quality wasn't our strength either. Right. So, you know, I think it's an interesting thing though, Will, because the kind of concert you're talking

[00:27:40] about is like a smaller indoor venue. Whereas like if you're going to see like a big act, you really just want to see them go like a stadium or something. Yeah. You want like, I want the throttle up like, you know. But you want to be able to hear the, you want to hear, you want to distinctly hear the lyrics and be able to hear the music. Right. Like, do you want just a wash? Oh, I just want to be like, say Fleetwood Mac, for example. But like, I just want to be like a subsumed into the noise. Like play it at me.

[00:28:11] Yeah. Yeah. But that involves being able to hear it properly. Right. Like, but also like, I think a concert is kind of funny because you're so far away that you're like, you're looking at the screen a lot of the time. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah. No, you got it. You can't do that. You can't do that. I disavow the screen. One ludicrous thing. Michael, that's because you go, you either queue for nine hours. I don't believe anything you said earlier. You either queue for nine, because you say, no, I'm not close to the stage. I'm about 10 yards back from the stage. You know, I don't queue for nine hours. Who would be a queue for nine hours? No, I know you don't.

[00:28:40] I know you have VIP tickets. Yeah. You're not being honest about it. You're a tiny man. Of course, you're going to get stuck behind people and you won't be able to see. And you won't go, excuse me. Could you duck down or could I go on your shoulders? You're just going to look at the screen. Tall people are very annoying at concerts. They should be made stand at the back. People full stop are annoying at concerts. Yeah, they are. And like there's a there's a couple of different categories.

[00:29:04] Like there are there's always a significant percentage of the crowd who are too drunk to enjoy what's going on. Like they should have checked out. They didn't manage their day well. Kind of kind of thing. As a matter of interest, Michael, if you you've mentioned before, you don't drink like I don't drink either. And you don't drink. And you mentioned that if you if you were a dictator of the world, alcohol would be banned. Yeah. Obviously, there'd be a black market. And if people were very drunk at concerts, what would their punishment be?

[00:29:33] If you're very drunk at a concert. Zero tolerance, I'd say. Death, do you think? Sort of Gilead style. Yeah, I don't know. No, I feel like we'd be like, oh, you like drinking, do you? So they're going to force you force force. So torture is the answer. That's so much worse than I expected. Or no, that's the Bruce Bogtrotter approach to crime and punishment. Yeah. Have another shot. Hey, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Have another one of these.

[00:30:01] Wasn't that your first choice on the CAO form when you did your leaving cert? One of those force feeders during prison hunger strikes. No. And then they were like, Michael, there's not a course in that. And you're like, no, but people do it. Make one. I know. The other people you see at concerts are the people who love telling you how many times they've seen the act. You know, the people who are like, I've seen Paul McCartney 17 times. You're like, well, I've seen him once. Can I please enjoy this without you in my ear? Yeah.

[00:30:25] And also the people who really sing along and feel like they're going to be like plucked out of the crowd. You know, it's like, you are my fan. I bet it's your dream to dance with Bruce Springsteen on the stage. Oh, do the Courtney Cox? Oh, 100%. Yeah. I've got the moves down. So you don't sing along? No, no, no, no. Because people sing in all the lyrics. Excuse me. We're here to listen. Nobody looks on the screen. Stop it. Could you stop it? Just sit down. Everyone take it. Why is everyone standing up?

[00:30:53] There's people singing to the B sides though, like each verse perfectly. Yeah. And they're always the kind of guys that are like, oh, you like the Ramones? Name three songs. Name three songs. Like it's those guys. It's those guys. Do you know what I mean? I don't think you even like the Chicago Bulls. I don't think you know any of their songs. Stop wearing their t-shirts, you know? Also, when you look out at the crowd, there's usually a significant percentage of them who are other halves who are not interested.

[00:31:18] You know, boyfriends or girlfriends who are there because their partner is there and they don't really care. Do you know, I think I really enjoy almost any mainstream concert. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think that's true. But are we talking stadium? Like big, big, big concert? Because I've been to that big. Like if you're like Pink is on in the Aviva or something. Yeah. I'd be like, yeah I'll go. I think for the most part. Yeah. When you go and see a band like that, what do you, so Awner you just want to be in the noise.

[00:31:48] Like how much, how much do you have patience for new stuff? How much do you want to just hear the hits? Oh, hear the hits. Hear the hits. Like I was listening to Paul McCartney being interviewed about this the other day that like even he accepts that like people want to hear the hits. Like, and also like I love when the artist remembers what it was like to be young themselves and or when you've been paying to go to something. And as a fan, like that's what you want.

[00:32:15] So, I mean, I would tolerate a certain amount of new stuff, but I certainly don't want to go to one of the biggies and hear. I don't mean biggie, biggie smalls. Speaking of hearing the hits, I realized the other day that I can do a bang on impression of Alan Rickman singing the Beatles. Go on. Right. But when I say that it's not Alan Rickman. Okay. So it's his character from Die Hard. It's Hans Gruber. What's his name? Hans Gruber. He's not singing. He's more intoning.

[00:32:45] It's like a spoken word version. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's good. Go on. I think we do need to have a discussion about what you believe the word hits to mean. But yeah, go ahead. Have a go. No, it's okay. Sorry. I'm just taking the time stamp on this for the edit. I need my get in. Mr. Takagi. Mr. Tak... What's the name of the building again? What's the name of the building? The idea that me saying one word in Michael Holdings accent could be problematic.

[00:33:14] I'm not going to get this. Nakatomi. Nakatomi. Nakatomi. Not Nakatomi. It's not a place in Cork. What would you think if I sang out of tune? Would you walk out and walk out on me? You got to know the words as well. The problem is... No, this is actually... I wasn't on board until Hans Gruber doesn't really know the lyrics. That's way better.

[00:33:41] Lend me your ears and sing your song. What do you think you're doing? I'm not going to say. That's like you're in Star Wars. You're doing Star Wars. You're doing Star Wars. You're doing Star Wars.

[00:34:15] You're doing Star Wars. I think your voice doesn't sound like it does to us though. No, no, it does. It's very good. It's a good impression. Michael, when you were young, you know the first time you sang kind of to yourself. Did you genuinely think this is really good? I do. I do. And then I hear it and it is appalling. Yeah. It is. I am the worst singer. You have a real mental block about this. You're actually a really nice singer, but then you think... See, that's the problem. You've shaken your head before you've listened to the thing.

[00:34:45] When you start thinking about it. And because of that, the nerves make you kind of speak, sing a bit too much words. If you just let it go, your singing is absolutely fine. Yeah. I should just let it loose. Yeah. Well... Go for something now, Michael. Just give us... And don't try and... I think the two things that people can... The octopus is going. Michael, go on. The two things that people can do, Michael, there are two things. Yeah? One is to try and sound too much like the singer. So you try and sing Bowie like Bowie, you know? And the other thing is to get that nervous bit and kind of speak, sing a bit. So just... Just go for it. Okay. Okay. Just gonna... Okay.

[00:35:17] I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus's garden in the shade. Okay. He didn't understand the brief, but that's okay. No, he did. But... We're with it warm. He's too... We're with it warm. He's too... ...emotionally stunted to be able to do it. He's too scared. The storm. Come on, know your own voice. Give us... Just sing... Sing... Sing in your own voice. Sing the start of the chorus of angels and through it all. Oh my god. Don't take that. Jesus. Oh no, no one wants to hear that. Oh no, no one wants to hear that. No, no.

[00:35:45] Like we've been talking about my shoes if they hear that. No, it's too hard. It's too difficult. Oh, she offers me protection. Whenever I get an erection. Anyway guys, do you know what is also fun? Concerts tend to attract other famous people. That is fun. You know the way... So when I was at the Taylor Swift concert that I mentioned earlier to you guys, Julia Roberts was there, which is fun. Like that's... That's pretty big though, isn't it? What did she do? She was...

[00:36:14] She was there and like just like cordoned off area. I think... It was a big buzz. Again, why is that of any note? I thought you meant she came on stage and did a number. She was there. I love seeing a famous person, Will. I'm sorry. I... That's so weird. I know. And I'm not... Like my husband and I always play this game on holidays when we're in a restaurant where like who'd be the most fun famous person to be like. And then we were out for dinner and Barack and Michelle were at the next table. I'm not going to do anything, but I just like basking in reflected glory. It's a problem, I know, but I would love to see Julia Roberts or something. It is...

[00:36:43] Like it's a bit of a busman's holiday for them, isn't it? Like normally they're that side of the crowd. Wait, is that what a busman's holiday... No. I don't know what a busman's holiday is. No. Why are busmen always booking such terrible holidays? Like what's that about? This would be like if a busman was... Went to a train fair. It's a different thing. I don't... I genuinely don't understand that phrase. Like is it... Is it a known fact that busmen often get duped by like poor package holidays? A busman, he says, I've done my shift. I'm going on holiday to Malaga. I'm going home. Very excited, darling. Are you excited to go to Malaga? Yeah.

[00:37:12] He gets up in the morning and he gets to the station and he actually got on a bus and he goes, Oh, what the... What the hell? No one told me I was going to have to do this. I'm going to get on a bus. That's my workplace of work. You don't have to go to your office before your holiday to Malaga. No, no. I think that's a busman's holiday. A busman's holiday. Any other thoughts on concerts, guys? My theory is that you've got 33% of the gig has to be bangers that we all know and love.

[00:37:41] 33% of the gig has to be stuff that's your... Basically your most well-known stuff. And then 33% can be obscure stuff and new stuff. I think that's what you're allowed to do. And if you don't hit that ratio, you failed. So I would say that's like Fleetwood Mac, the chain, and then I would put Seven Wonders in the middle category. And then the third one would be like some new thing. Also, in that middle category, I would include covers.

[00:38:10] I think you can chuck a cover or two in there. A cover is fun. Love a cover. A good cover is fun. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Do you know what's the worst though? Do you know what I hate? Oh, genocide. That... Racism. Absolutely. Totally agree. Yeah. In a concert setting, I hate endless encores where they just keep coming back out and back. And you know, you're like, what song haven't they played yet? They still haven't played the chain, for example. And yeah, of course, here it is. We're all waiting for the chain.

[00:38:40] Like I was at a Blur concert. They play song two at the end of that concert. No encore. Everyone knows that's it. You're not coming back after that. That's a terrible ending to the concert, I think. No, it was wonderful. It was such high energy. And actually Fleetwood Mac start with the chain, which is amazing because it really gets the crowd boiling up, you know? It builds. Song two, I wouldn't pick that for Blur to end on. They should finish with like, I don't know, end of the century or something. Nah, song two. I don't know.

[00:39:11] Yeah. Is song two even a good song? Song two is not a good song. No, it's not. It's fun. I mean, it's fun, but it's not a good song. It's a good concert song. I told you about when my husband went to the dentist and the dentist was like, would you like, he was having like, really like, intense dental surgery done. And the dentist was like, what music would you like? And he panicked and he was like, Blur. And he just put on song two. But he got the drilling going. Isn't that the most intense, horrible situation ever? The answer there is a podcast. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's this podcast actually.

[00:39:38] Have you any concerts that you wish you'd been to? I think I might have even said it before in the podcast. Dyer Straits, Hammersmith Odeon, 1983. Love to be there. Wonderful. Wonderful. Anya, I send you the link to the YouTube video. Mine is Led Zeppelin in Madison Square Garden, I think in 1973. Oh, that looks really good. I love watching the YouTube video of that. It's good. Michael, sometimes I think it's scary that we're just two stoner 20 year olds on the inside.

[00:40:07] You guys, you don't sound like stoner 20 year olds. You sound like 65 year olds. Yeah, stoner 60 year olds. Yeah. I mean, to be 18 in 1973, God, you wouldn't be safe at a Led Zeppelin concert. I don't know what am I saying. Hugh, it would be the Beatles for you, right? Ah, yeah, yeah, it would be. I don't think you'd pick the Beatles, Hugh. No, you would. Ah, no, I would have loved to see the Beatles live. Yeah. What about Nebworth, Oasis, no? I've seen Oasis.

[00:40:37] Were they good? Yeah, they were great. I mean, Bowie. Bowie would have been cool, I think. Yeah. I would have thought you'd pick that over because the Beatles live probably isn't the Beatles that you love, is it? Ah, no, I know what you mean. And in terms of like maybe the concert experience, it's not going to be super weird, but I don't know. You'd be the only man in the audience. Interesting thing they found a few years ago, they found an unheard, a previously unheard Beatles performance.

[00:41:04] Samira Ahmed, who's a British journalist, had discovered this and it was a concert that the Beatles played in Stowe School, which is like a public school, English public school. And they did, it was really early. It was 1962, I think. Everyone is like, well, and it's their only, it's the only time they've ever performed to an all male audience. Ah.

[00:41:53] Wow. We wondered who liked them. And then we've got one here. Oh. In a tiny little venue in Leeds. And it was, it was sick. It was just before they got massive. No, Will, it wasn't. They're slapping their guitars and everything. God. Yeah, it was great singing in. Wearing flat caps. What about here? What about Alice Cooper? Are you serious? That would probably be amazing. I just think it'd be mental. Do you know what else I think would be great? ACDC? Yeah. You're all so old.

[00:42:21] Well, what, like, Will, what would you have me be like? Olivia Rodrigo. I don't know if it's her name. I don't know. Olivia Dean or whatever. It's just very like, oh God, we're going to talk about concerts and I'd like to be back in the seventies. But that's the coolest decade ever. But I also, yeah, Will, I don't know that I just want to see some fella with a guitar now, you know? Yeah, I don't want to go see, oh, it's Ed Sheeran doing his greatest hits. I love that that's the most. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, so listeners might remember our Pokemon episode from a season or two ago

[00:42:50] with special guest Coxie. So I was talking to Coxie recently and we were discussing Ed Sheeran because we were with also former guest Jeremy and Jeremy was talking about how he loves Ed Sheeran and I have very little interest in Ed Sheeran and Coxie hates him. But Coxie was telling me about a time where he was in a pub and Ed Sheeran came in and did a surprise concert in the pub. Right? When he was massive.

[00:43:16] And Coxie said, I was so annoyed that he came in and disturbed my evening, but I got up and left. I was like, that's, I respect that level of hatred. Let's commitment to the bit. Will, I think, is it that you are just a bit younger than us and for some reason, like, Mumford and Sons are like a golden oldie to you or something? Is that? Oh no, they're not a golden oldie. They're just a band that I grew up with that I really liked and I think it's... But do you know how, sorry, when you say grew up with, no, like, Mumford and Sons were

[00:43:44] big for four months in 2014. 2016, I would say. Like, Will, like, you didn't grow up now. No, I started listening to them in like 2008, 2007. What's there to listen to? There's like two songs. What did your mum and dad have on in the car, Will? They've released like eight albums. Oh, The Beautiful South. Great question, Hugh. I would have fucking loved to have seen The Beautiful South. They were beautiful south. Now who's old? My parents.

[00:44:12] That's why I didn't have that to handle because I'm not like, oh, if only I could have seen ACDC. Who cares? Do you not like any of the, like, the big classics? Like, what about The Eagles or Dire Straits or like... They're fine. Pink Floyd. Yeah. Well, I actually think you should have to listen to a Michael and I playlist. Like, you just, your ears are so, so untouched. But I've listened to these bands. I just, I'm not like that. I'm not, there's no like hero worship of like, oh God, I've got to see them before they die.

[00:44:40] You haven't listened, you've listened to them, Will, but have you heard them? You haven't heard them. Oh God. God, you make me sick in my mouth. And I like Mumford and Sons. I have a high threshold of sick in my mouth. Oh, I love nothing more than a smoky video of like a 1970s concert. Of course you do, because you're coming to the end of your life. I've listened to Tina Turner's What's Love Got To Do With It? I'd say 25 times this week. Like there's just some songs you're like, I thought that was a good song. And now it's, I've heard it's an amazing song.

[00:45:09] Will, do you know a concert you'd love? I was at him in Bristol a couple of years ago, Jacob Collier. Oh yeah, I reckon I'd like that. He's got a kind of ick vibe as well. That people, yeah, yeah, he does. Is he sort of a Zac Bryan sort of type? But he's since, no, Zac Bryan is country, isn't he? What's this guy called? Jacob Collier. Jacob Collier. Oh, he's this, he should be very annoying, but he's so. I mean, some people do find him. He's sensationally talented. I mean, some people do find him annoying, but he's so, so good. He plays everything.

[00:45:37] He's lots of improv, kind of jazz, but cool, modern jazz. And he's incredible. Well, what are you listening to when you're listening to music? What am I listening to? Yeah. It depends. At the moment I'm listening to a lot of Tobe and Weigwe, the famous rapper. I've heard of him. I know a lot about hip hop and rap, Will. I just don't know him. I actually do. But if it's not, if it was made after 1995, I probably don't know it. A guy called Akintoya.

[00:46:03] I've been listening to a lot of AJR, who I think are quite cringe, but amazing. They're like a sort of like, I guess like an American sort of preppy band. And they're a bit sincere. They've got, they've got a hint of the mumford about them in terms of their sincerity, but they do cool stuff with like, they have a song where they're like pitch shift during the song and they do cool stuff with tech. I like them. Shout out to them. Yeah. Shout out to Morgan. French golf.

[00:46:33] And is there a guilty pleasure concert you'd like to have gone to? Or like to go to? Oh, Robbie Williams in Slane when we were young. That's not guilty pleasure. Like. Well, what do you want me to say? Like Michael Jackson? No. But what I mean like. That's a real guilty pleasure. Gary Glitter. I was going to say like Fountains of Wayne. Lost Prophets. Oh, I've been to see Weezer. Oh yeah. They were amazing. And that we like chatted them for ages afterwards. It was a very small gig. And they don't. Yeah. Um.

[00:47:02] Oh, that's a great question. What would you pick? Uh, Hugh? Well, it may be Fountains of Wayne. You know? Dude, like. All that. That album that we listened to with Stacey's mom on it. With Mexican wine on it? Do you remember Mexican wine? Mexican wine. He was killed in a cellular phone explosion. They scattered his ashes across the ocean. The water was used to make baby lotion. The wheels of promotion were set into motion.

[00:47:31] And the sun still shines in the summertime. I'll be yours if you'll be mine. I tried to change, but I changed my mind. I think I'll have another glass of Mexican wine. Perfect. Stacey's mom has got it going on. She's all I want and I've waited for so long. That was so menacing. I didn't like that. Oh, I think I know. Guilty pleasure. Maybe Blink 182. That's not a guilty pleasure.

[00:48:02] That's just pleasure. What do you want from me? It's the only answer. Fountains of Wayne or P Diddy. I think P Diddy is a good answer. That is a guilty pleasure. It's like P Diddy had some great songs. Like it is. Like, can we listen to Kanye West anymore? Well, do you know what? It feels really great to have never liked Kanye West's music. I've never got into it. I think Through the Wire is one of the greatest songs ever written. And now I'm like, can I listen to it again? Probably not. Now I'm not the real victim here, obviously. Of course you can.

[00:48:32] But like Onya, you'd listen to Thriller, you know, you wouldn't approve. I think it's weird that we're still playing Michael Jackson music. Well, as Onya and I have frequently remarked on ourselves, you know, when we're listening to a lot of these bands from the 70s, you go onto the Wikipedia page for any of these people. Don't scroll to personal life. Don't look at it. Don't look at relationships. Don't look at the relationship status. That's not good. Jimmy Page's girlfriend is... Like how old do you think Jimmy Page is? I mean, he must be... He must be... 77 at least. Yeah, he's 82, right?

[00:49:02] Yes! And his... Let's scroll down to the personal life. His partner... Do you want to take a guess on her age? 24. 33. 35. Doesn't even seem... It's alright. That's not alright. It's not alright. It's fucking disgusting. It's alright. What are they going to talk about? But I think it's possibly more disgusting of her than of him. Yeah, yeah. Like... No! Love doesn't have an age. Love does. Age doesn't have a number. I'm sorry, man. It does. It does.

[00:49:31] I don't know where it is, but it does. But yeah, don't look at any of these guys. Personal lives, like you'll just... You will just be disappointed, you know? And all these like... Well, just again, yeah, they were all on massive amounts of drugs and their concerts were full of 14 year olds, you know? So yeah, it's not great. Not anymore though. Usually 18s plus or at least 16s plus anyway. Do you like the... Do you like the... Obviously the... Not including the predatory stuff, but do you like the kind of groupie culture stuff? No.

[00:50:01] Would you have liked being in an entourage, Michael? No, no, no. Nothing would annoy me more. I would have to be the lead. Yeah. Oh my God, I think I'd love being in an entourage. Yeah. Just like loafing around the green room. Like I don't think there's anything more cool, you know? Yeah. Being backstage in a place is cool. Yeah. That is fun. I don't mean like groupie for like Mumford and Sons, Will, you know? Yeah. Bunch of people praying in the back room. Reading Shakespeare.

[00:50:29] With their bolo ties and their... Eating some crackers and going, oh, that's a bit spicy for me. Yeah. Yeah. How often do you listen to Mumford and Sons now? It's one of those things I go through phases of listening to their first album. Unfortunately, the banjoist has become an absolute right wing lunatic. And now like goes on Fox News and says that we should put a wall in the channel made of mines to stop migrants.

[00:50:54] And the most difficult thing about that is that his music, Mumford and Sons' music has gotten worse since he left, which is... Someone who plays the banjo is right wing? I am shocked. It's unbelievable, isn't it? Well, guys, that's it for tonight's episode. We'll call it there. Everyone's cleared out of the room. No, wait, we're all back. Because we've got one more thing to do. We've got to decide if it's a legitimate like. We've got final judgments. Hugh and Will, what do you think?

[00:51:24] Well, I think it's tricky because are we going to do an episode on gigs? Or are we... Does concerts cover gigs? We'll do an episode on gigs. Sure, we'll do that. Okay. But it might be a hundred episodes time, you know? I think we are talking stadium shows, so... Okay, we're talking concerts. The last proper concert I went to, my uncle plays in an orchestra, Uncle Donal.

[00:51:44] And he was playing in the Philharmonic Orchestra who were doing a thing with a West African musician who sings a song called Gambia, which goes, Gambia, Le Ma, Gambia, Le Ma. So good. And that was an amazing concert of musicians that I never would have seen. And it was in an incredible venue called the Roundhouse in London. And I think, oh, wow. Music's great, innit? So I think concerts are obviously a legitimate like, yeah. They can make a few of those stuff. Shout out to Uncle Donal. Uncle Donal.

[00:52:15] It is a good point that we didn't talk about, yeah, symphonic concerts and orchestral concerts, which I have been to lots of. And they're definitely a legitimate like. In terms of big stadium concerts, yeah, I've been to a couple of good ones, but... Yeah, I mean, nothing worse than Summantan. Oh yeah, as Aña said, I've been to see Bob Dylan 47 times. I think, do you know, I don't even have much reason for this.

[00:52:43] And if Paul announces another tour, I'll definitely go and see it. And I'll probably go to other concerts, but I actually don't think they are legitimate like. Shocker. Shocker. Hugh doesn't like popular entertainment. Yeah. Whoa. So it goes to the producers. Ah, come on. It's four thumbs up here, isn't it? Well, we'll go through the motions, Michael. I do prefer, I prefer recorded music generally. I think it's a better way to actually consume the music, but I really enjoy a concert. It's its own thing. And I think it's absolutely legitimate like. Michael?

[00:53:11] Yeah, four thumbs up from me. What's wrong with your hands? He's stolen two people's thumbs. I prefer we don't discuss my thumb issue. Okay. Well, thanks for listening to Legitimate Likes and you'll see us someday in a stadium concert. I've no doubt. Yeah, we've done other episodes on stuff like this, haven't we? What else have we done that's been like concerts? Blur and Oasis. That's been taken down. Oh yeah, that has been taken down because we put all the music in it. So that doesn't exist anymore. But I wasn't on it.

[00:53:41] So who cares? It's the only episode I haven't listened to. Pity. Probably the best. We've done the cinema, you know, going out, entertainment. We've done the Beatles. We've done the night out, haven't we? Yeah. Stuff like that. That's loads of stuff. And remember that Spotify and Apple, they don't do automatic five star reviews. So you have to do that yourself if you could. Exactly. So please do that. And come back for the next episode in this amazing summer season. And this time, we're really leaving.

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