Formula 1 with David Kenny: how a nerdy professor fell in love with F1

[00:00:00] This show is nominated for a 2026 Golden Lobes Podcast Award. Get in! Like if that was me, if I had just been sent around the moon or wherever they went... Don't rule it out! Hello, I'm Will. And I'm Hugh. And this is Legitimate Likes, the podcast where we take a look at some of humanity's most popular fascinations. And we try to work out, are they really worthy of the hype? They may be light, but are they Legitimate Likes? This week, we're talking about F1 with special guest David Kenny.

[00:00:30] It's terrible. We started recording just now because earlier, just before you came on Dave, Hugh said, Oh, where's my phone? And went to look for it and said it was on the toilet, which I thought was an interesting phrasing. Like that implies the phone was relieving itself, having had a... Yeah. Yeah. Almost caught short. Now, if you are imagining a phone on the toilet, talk me through it. What way round is it? I think it's speaker down, but then what's it expelling? Yeah. You know, it's kind of... Nobody likes that.

[00:00:59] I guess like if you're... You know the way if you... If anyone's ever owned an Apple watch, there's a really creepy thing. Whereas if you take it into water and then you come out, it like puts out very loud noises to expel the water out. That's kind of what I'm imagining that Hugh's phone was pissing into the toilet because it was filled with water. Do you get what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. Like it just scans, isn't it? It's incredible.

[00:01:26] My dad's Apple watch insists on continuously trying to ring the guards because it thinks he's fallen over. I presume just because the age profile means that like any impact anywhere... Like anytime he takes a drive on the golf course. Literally will. On the other day, he took a swing with the golf club, little clip of the ground, and then it was like, it looks like you've had a bad fall. A fall SOS emergency. This is how well I know your dad. Like it wasn't that bad a drive, right?

[00:01:55] Like, oh, da-da-da-da-da-da. I've got a question for you, right? Maybe Dave is our expert, okay? So for people who don't know Dave, obviously we've brought him on here to talk about his love of F1. And I would say his expertise because when Dave takes an interest in something, he goes hard, right? I think that's fair to say, Dave. It's fair. There's no messing around. I do go at it awful hard. I want to just run a phrase by you, right? Please.

[00:02:18] Which is, someone said this phrase to me recently, and it was in the kind of, the context was kind of taking a rain check on something, right? This isn't going to happen now, but we'll just, maybe in the future, whatever. What the person said to me was, I guess we'll just suck it and see. Wow. Now, Dave, in your experience. What is it in this context? Have you heard the phrase before, Anya? Yeah.

[00:02:47] Yeah, in a work meeting, someone said it. I was like, wait, what? You can say that here? What are they? Yeah, what is being sucked? What is being sucked? I think it means like the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Like we'll, or we'll have to test it and see. We'll have to experiment a bit. Yeah. I feel like this is a British, this is a British idiom of some sort that like didn't fully transfer to Ireland is my, is my theory. Now in, in Britain, we say, let's rim it and find out is what we say.

[00:03:16] I've taken criticism over the years for on a windy day when you've been stuck in the house for too long saying it's good to get out and get a blow. And people apparently think that's not a legitimate thing to say, but we're happy saying we'll suck it and see. Sorry. Well, I'm not. We're not happy about it. Way worse. Yours is so much worse. Get out for a blow. No. No. No. But also to go back to the weird British idiom. What are you?

[00:03:42] Like, has anyone been in a situation where you've been like, well, it's touch and go. But let's, let's suck it and we'll see where we are. It's not touching go. Like, we're going to try. You know, what's that? We're going to try this new audio format, but we're going to suck it and see. We don't know if it's going to work out. We'll just have to suck it and see. Sure. But in the real life situation. How do you feel about teaching your granny to suck eggs? But at least it's very clear there. There's a grand, there's a, there's a subject, there's an object and there's a hell of a verb in there. Right. Whereas in this case, everything is unclear. Yeah.

[00:04:13] It'd be better if it was, we'll suck granny and see. That would be more helpful. It's what you think. We know where we were with that phrase. Yeah. Touch and go does feel weird. I challenge you, Hugh, to try to use suck it and see in casual conversation this week. Not in your classes. Don't do it. No. Yeah. I'm not going to use in junior infancy if that's okay. No. But you know, maybe in a shop or something. Although you'll enjoy that a child in the school today, not in my class, a seven or eight

[00:04:41] year old, just one point out loud in her class just said, my daddy thinks Michael Jackson is an absolute prick. Fair play. Widely held view. Yeah. All right, guys. This is all great chatting also good, good, good stuff. But I'm going to have to pit. Yeah, Michael's here, by the way. Yeah. The listener. I'm here. Producer Michael's also here. I'm here and I'm on topic. Okay. So I'm going to have to pit stop you there.

[00:05:07] This week, we're talking about Formula One, which is the apex of the motorsports world as far as I understand it. We've been working tirelessly to bring this episode to you because you know, tires are on a car. It doesn't actually make sense because they do have to. But anyway, we're going to have to get a grip on the topic. Again, it's more on the tire vein. Hopefully not be too much of a drag. So aerodynamics there. And this episode promises to be all torque.

[00:05:34] But you know, like all talk, but all torque because of the rotational force. Yeah. So Formula One and we've got Dave on because Dave, you like Formula One. Will there be any spoilers, Michael? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Well, I wish I thought of that. Yeah. I like Formula One, everyone. Surprise. But I can. And we like you, Dave. You know, sports. But thanks, guys. I appreciate that. I get a lot. I get a lot of raised eyebrows about my Formula One fandom. So, you know, here I am.

[00:06:03] I think it's like me and Lord of the Rings. It is a bit like you and Lord of the Rings. It doesn't really make any sense. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I suppose, Dave, did you watch it in the 90s? Yes, I was. Or are you opposed? Yeah. Then did you have a gap? I had a gap. Was it? Until Drive to Survive made a... Yeah. Interesting again. I was not Hugh, just like... ...summarized it there. So, I was a huge F1 fan when I was a kid. Yeah. And so, I watched kind of religiously in the Jacques Villeneuve, Michael Schumacher, Mika Hacken and era, which is like 97.

[00:06:33] David Coulthard. David Coulthard. Yeah. So, it's kind of the early, mid 2000s. And then, it went off whatever, you know, British channel it was on and onto Sky Sports, which we didn't have. And I just couldn't really follow it. And then, it probably was Drive to Survive or around that time, the Netflix documentary, that I, you know, watched that and I was like, hey, I love this sport. And now, I'm an adult and have my own money. Maybe I could get back into it.

[00:07:00] And I am now, yeah, hook it to my veins, F1 addict. I watch every race. I try to watch live whenever I can. We're going to a Grand Prix this summer. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, an F1 head, gear head. Wow. It's good that we have you with us, Dave, because I don't think any of the rest of us know anything about F1. Maybe, maybe a bit too premature there. But I will say the topic has been on the list since day one of Legitimate Likes. If I look at the list of, we had like 40 or 50 topics.

[00:07:30] And for all those people out there who are like, they're running out of steam. They did an episode on Mint. You know, all this kind of stuff. There's plenty of good stuff in there in the tank. We're just, we're just drip feeding it out. You know? Will we get into the quiz guys? Yes. Question one. So this is the type of question that Hugh really likes. What else happened in the year that Formula One was first formulated? Which is also the year of the first Formula One race.

[00:07:58] So, was it Grace Kelly in the wedding of the century married Prince Rainier III of Monaco? Which I guess is sort of also F1 related. F1 theme. King Edward VIII abdicated the throne to marry Wallace Simpson. As far as I know, F1 not a factor in that. And the first meeting of the United Nations is held at Methodist Central Hall in Westminster in London. So which of those is? Okay.

[00:08:26] Grace Kelly got married in 1954. Well done Hugh. I think. Good poll. But I could be wrong. I think the abdication was 1936. It was 1936, correct. And that's too early, I think, for F1. Yeah, that's too early. And is the UN 48? 48 of 50, which feels right to me for... My gut instinct is the first F1 race was in 1950, but I could be wrong. Definitely the 50s is when F1 began. Yeah. I think it...

[00:08:55] Yeah, I think it raced. It could... It's definitely not the abdication. So it's one of the other two. I'm happy to go with whichever. Grace Kelly... Yeah, she died in 1982, but that's not the same as getting married. No, famously. So yeah, will we go? Will we go the UN? The UN seems right because I'm pretty sure it was probably like Silverstone 1950 was probably the first F1 race, and that would seem like a plausible UN, you know, bullshit date, like they would have first come together. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:09:25] You got it right. You got it right, Hugh. Well done. And Dave. But Hugh, you were... I mean, you were two years off on some of the dates. So it was... What was it? The wedding was 1956, and the UN was formed in 1946, which is also the year that Formula UN was first formed. But you got it right. And again, very impressive as I knew it would be. I think this is very indicative of F1 in that that was quite impressive yet unbelievably boring.

[00:09:55] I admire the technical achievement, but fuck you. Basically, we just went round. We went round a track that we go round every time. The same thing happened. And 70 more laps to go. It was tricky to sort of discern the speed. Yeah. I don't really know what was involved in the intricacies of it, but it definitely happened. You just don't know dates, Will. Like you would have guessed... You were guessing like the 1740s. Like we all know that, right? That's where your head was going. Question two.

[00:10:24] So F1 has a lot of jargon and acronyms. Cargon, Michael. So I'm gonna throw some of these out at you and you've got to explain them to me. So dirty air. What is dirty air? I think, Onya, I'd like you to explain. Is it when they put the wrong fuel in the car and then the stuff going out of the exhaust is wrong? Because they put leaded instead of unleaded in. I feel like that would be a big mistake for a multi-billion euro franchise to make.

[00:10:53] I'm telling you, if I was working there every second day, I'd be like, I've done it again. What I like is that even though they know what fuel needs to go in, they bring the wrong one with them as well. No, but I imagine, does someone bring the cars off to the local mace or gala? Yeah. Fill her up. Fill them up. They send someone off with a 50. Yeah, to fill it up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's it. I wouldn't get you far these days, Michael. Dirty air. Is it porn, but on the radio?

[00:11:23] Ooh, that's good. Is it what I call my wife? Audio description porn. It's pretty good. Pretty good guess. Michael, what is it? I know, I know what this is. No, no, Dave knows. Oh, Dave knows. I'm sorry. Is it when the radio goes down? It's extremely, it's extremely, it's extremely boring, but it's aerodynamic wash.

[00:11:40] So they're to the rear of a car and because of the aerodynamics of the car in front, it's very difficult to follow because the air is not clean and it's going over your car in an uneven way and it causes you to lose speed so you can't overtake. Something like that. That's precisely it. And what I will say as well is, I hadn't had it described to me in such detail, but now that you say it, it's quite similar to the effect that I feel when I'm walking with Hugh.

[00:12:10] Hugh walks at a monstrous pace when you're beside him and I'm there being buffeted in his wake. I'm losing grip. I'm losing grip. I'm all over the track. And there's all that dirty air coming out as well. Like Hugh on a hike. The three of you were on a hike recently, Hugh, Dave and Michael. We were. We were going to marathon. We did. Yeah. Now, Hugh said to me, it was too long. Is that okay to say Hugh? The final third was hard.

[00:12:38] Oh, the last stretch was tough. It was hard. Your feet were sore and you were done. Michael said to me, I could have gone around again. Yeah. I think, well, I mean, Michael says that. I think Dave did go around again, to be honest. I just enjoyed that. What's more for the kids? As Dave said to me, I mean, Dave finished so far ahead of where I did, but Dave was like, I just really needed a bathroom. I did. Just power down to the end. Oh, you don't use it on the trail.

[00:13:06] So, look, we don't need to go into the ins and outs of the bathroom situation. Sorry. Sorry. We're on to dirty liquids and dirty solids now. It was the sort of situation where it was just better in a bathroom with more ballast than the portaloos on the trail. You know what I mean? They were shaky. They were shaky, Dave. I'll give you that. Yeah. Right. So I just felt that was just better off. Could you have gone around again? We finished with some- Stop talking about your wees.

[00:13:34] With some energy in the tank, I think. We could have done a bit more, but it was a lovely hike. How long was this hike? What was this hike? It was a marathon. 42 kilometers through the mountains. Oh. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was great. I think it's okay that he was a bit tired at the end, Will. I think that's the normal- Yeah, yeah. That's so fine. Michael, you absolutely could not have gone around again. I don't know. I was appropriately provisioned. This is my- So I brought, as the guys will know, I brought an umbrella. Okay? I also brought- You did. Dave, I shared- That is so lame.

[00:14:03] What kind of wet wife brings an umbrella on a hike? What an embarrassing first item you brought. Yeah. I shared some of my provisions with you, Dave, on the way, midway through. You did. Some delicious provisions, right? Absolutely. Yep. Oh, very tasty. What were they? It was some- Hugh, I don't think you had any of my biltong, did you? It- Of course. Yeah. You're handling around dried meat. I tasted it and it was horrible. It was. It was vile. Yeah. But then you had- No, you had some knockoff nature valley bars as well.

[00:14:33] Which tasted exactly like they were knockoff nature valley bars. And you had 60 or 70 bananas. Which I was trying to pass off on all comers. Everyone we met. Yeah. I definitely sent this group a picture of other biltong that I ate recently, which was alligator biltong, right? You guys, that was, that was, you were on my mailing list on that, right? Oh my God. I missed that, but- You're not only disgusting meat, you're also killing endangered species to do so. That's hilarious.

[00:15:01] Well, I was getting the shoes made, so like, the rest was just there. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I was dying anyway. Yeah, it'd be wasted if you didn't actually. Yeah. It's humane in a way. Piece of jargon number two, the power unit. That's Will, isn't it? My mum's main name is Power. Any idea on that one? It's where you plug the car into charge. That's a good guess. They should be electric. Ferrari launched their first electric car this week. Yeah.

[00:15:30] It looks unbelievably bad. It looks absolutely gack. Like the electric Ferrari. Well, you can put it in. You can. It looks appalling. Inside is kind of nice, but like it looks, it looks like kind of a Fisher Price car and it costs 600 grand. And you're like, what are you doing? A bargain at half the price, Dave. Twice the price. What is it, Michael? Or do they know? I hope you know, right? I know. The power unit is what you normies would call an engine.

[00:15:58] It is the hybrid turbo engine, a V6 hybrid engine, which also has a large battery component, which gives you about like a thousand horsepower and powers the cars to go speedily around the track. Yeah, that's it. It's the whole lot. It's the thing that makes the car go. Absolutely. That's it. And I feel like it's, again, it's jargon, right? I feel like to most people, it's the engine, but I guess it is a little bit more than that.

[00:16:23] And Dave, will there ever be electric F1 or is it just that people want to be it? It is. It is too much of a petrol heads game. Yeah. So they have a thing called Formula E, which is electric F1. And there's no demand for that because it's shite. Everyone hates it because it's bad racing and really boring. So at the moment, they've moved to 50-50 electric and combustion so that half the engine is electric power, half is a traditional petrol engine.

[00:16:51] And when they moved on to hybrid, they stopped calling it an engine because that's traditionally petrol and moved calling it a power unit. But the 50-50 has been popular. So they're going back to 60-40 next year, going back more heavily toward petrol because it just kind of produces more interesting driving because electric cars just speed up pretty fast and it's not very interesting. So that is, it's kind of, it's not, it hasn't been the best racing in Formula E, unfortunately, not the best watch. It's like an oxymoron saying interesting driving.

[00:17:21] It's like gladiatorial combat, but they're driving cars. We'll get on board. It's great. They're only, they just go, they just go forwards. I don't even know if they can go back. They go around corners. They actually do have a reversing, they have a reverse gear, but if you're using it, you're kind of in trouble. That's not a good situation. That's only to get you out of the, all the tires at the side. 100%. Yeah. You're trying to like, you've crashed or gone off the track and you're trying to like salvage something of your race. No one wants to use reverse in an F1 car. It's bad, bad vibes.

[00:17:52] Salvaging something of your race sounds like a Joe Rogan guest topic, doesn't it? We've got to salvage something of our race. We've just got to salvage something of my forthcoming far right novel. Final piece of jargon for you. What's undercutting and overcutting? I found this one quite interesting. Oh, it's going to be even more boring than the last three then, isn't it? And it's not under taking and overtaking. So no, it's more complex than that. More nuanced than that.

[00:18:22] Is it where at the start of the race, you like zoom across somebody else to like cut them off with like barbed wire on your wheels? Is it like Mario Kart? And then... It's wacky races. Yeah. You throw a banana out the back. Tell me that wouldn't be more fun if it was like wacky races. Yeah. If it was Mario Kart, but in real life, I'd watch it every day of my life. Yeah. I mean, there is something in that, isn't there?

[00:18:47] Like we've got teams of the most talented engineers known to man with collectively billions of dollars. And then we're getting them to go... This is the best they can do. We're getting them to go as fast as they can. But then we're saying, oh, by the way, your car can only be 95 centimeters tall and you got to keep your RPMs down and all that. Like they should be allowed to do whatever they want to do. Anything humanly. You think it should be like no rules. Yeah. You want the enhanced games of F1 where you can just build like a fucking rocket. Yeah.

[00:19:17] Okay. Rockets, jets, as Arnie says, spiked wheels, helmets that look like crowns, capes, all that stuff. Banana skins on the track. Yeah. Oil slicks. Loads of oil slicks. Cranky little dog. Shells that home in on the cars. Yeah. Whatever kind of freaky deaky tech they need to go faster. That would be amazing. Dave, what's undercutting and overcutting? Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to try and answer this and I could get it wrong.

[00:19:42] So I think an undercut is you pits, you pit stop to then try and get ahead of the driver in front of you. Because when you come out of your pit stop, you have new tires and you're going faster. And an overcut is you try and stay out. You don't do a pit stop and you stay out to gain an advantage. Is that right, Michael? That's exactly it. That's exactly it. It's the pit stopping strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is something I never got until.

[00:20:13] It's extremely complicated. And even the commentators sometimes seem to get the terms wrong because they're like, is he doing an overcut? Obviously, Dave, it's going to depend on conditions, I guess. But you know, is there a theoretical perfect point for doing your pit stop? Are you better go longer on the old or go longer on the new? Yeah. And so there usually is, but you only know it in hindsight. So teams adopt different strategies.

[00:20:40] And if you're kind of on the back foot, you might take a strategy risk. And if you get lucky, it comes off and you manage to like pull out a victory from the jaws of defeat. And sometimes so like in the most recent race, one of the teams started on kind of wet tires because it was kind of half raining. And that was kind of a gamble. And it didn't work out at all. It was a total disaster and they lost all their positions and everyone thought they were stupid. But if it had rained again, you know, they would have. Yeah. Can you not do it in the rain?

[00:21:11] So they do race in the rain, but you kind of. That's a Beatles song, I think, isn't it? They do keep racing in the rain, but you need special tires with more grip and you go slower. And so there's really interesting strategy about when it's dry enough to go back on normal tires rather than on the tires. So we love a wet race. We love it. Is there any snow Formula One? No, because it kind of needs it. You'd really struggle to do Formula One in Ireland because it's so cold.

[00:21:41] Like the tires have to be pretty warm. The colder the track surface, the harder it is to drive the cars. So when they drive in Las Vegas in November at night, it's kind of like driving on ice. So you kind of need to be in warm places, which is why they go to so many corrupt petro states. It's very important you race in all the most loathsome countries in the world. That's just that's crucial. And is that like why a lot of those countries don't want to sort of like adopt renewable energy?

[00:22:08] Because the hotter they make the world, the more places they can ride their cars. Exactly. Even better for F1. Though presumably actually a lot of these places are actually too hot for F1 now. So they have to race at night in Abu Dhabi and Qatar and places I think Saudi Arabia. So I don't like that you have a bean at night. That doesn't feel very glamorous. Yeah, because that's hard as well for them. Like if you're driving at night and the headlights of the oncoming traffic are a lot brighter these days. Yeah, you can't put on your full beams. Especially when your cars are low down. Yeah, exactly.

[00:22:35] No, that must be the hardest part of F1 is the fulls on and off. That's the most difficult bit managing the headlights. Yeah, night races kind of look a little bit. The first one was Singapore and there's a bunch of them now. It's actually quite cool, but they light up the track really like unbelievably bright. They light up the track, do you know what I mean? They light up the track, guys. They light it up. So yeah, it's quite cool to watch the night races. But yeah, the classic F1 race is during the day in Europe. That's the like old world glamour of it.

[00:23:05] And unfortunately, it has leaned a lot into America and other corrupt petro states in recent years. Yeah, I have to admit, I just don't believe that Formula One belongs in America. It's not a very American sport, is it? The Formula One of our childhood, you know, there were Finns, there were Brits, there were Germans. Yeah. Again, they're still saying quite far right once again.

[00:23:34] Sorry, I need to actually, because you guys don't follow a lot of racing stuff. I do need to point out that the, I think it was the Indy 500, this major American motor race, had a poster recently where the slogan for the race was, one nation, one race, and they very quickly had to take that down. Because you can't say that, you know, that's not acceptable as it turns out. I've thought of asking this a couple of times when you've been on the podcast, Dave, but what is your favourite race?

[00:24:05] Oh, it's a very good question, Will. Well, they're all so good. But I would say my... Yeah, I think one's supreme. There is, of course, everyone has a favourite. Everyone, you know, has to pick the number one. Mine would probably be the Italian Grand Prix. I think that it's in Monza. It's got a whole load of insane Ferrari fans. It's very fast. You race flat out. The track is great.

[00:24:34] So that is probably, I would say, the master race. Well, you're telling me they don't go flat out at the other ones. Well, different tracks have different characteristics. So some like have fast corners when you're racing there. Others have very long straights and you get up very near the top speed of the cars. So it can be interesting and tactically different on different tracks. You know, so there's different sorts of races. But it's still just cars. Yeah, speedy race cars go zoom, but they go zoom in different ways.

[00:25:04] And also, I think the thing about F1, which people don't understand, is that there's two competitions. There's like an engineering competition and a driving competition. And so you get to like... Well, one for the nerds and one for the... And one for the... And one for the even bigger nerds. So you can follow both. And so you can be interested in how they're designing the cars. It's like whether you preferred playing championship manager or FIFA. Yeah, exactly. Do you want to actually score goals or do you want to manage the budget of the football club like a normal person? Yeah, exactly. Perfect. Dave, I have a question.

[00:25:34] Have you ever been in a Formula One car? I've not. I've not. I've seen one up close. I saw a Red Bull car that was on display and they're very cool, but I have never like sat in one. You didn't ask. Can I just slide in? No, I would love to. I would love to sit in the cockpit. But they are built very specifically for specific drivers. So you probably wouldn't fit. And a lot of them are very small because if you're lighter, that's probably better for F1. Although the best driver at the moment is... Well Dave, you are notoriously absolutely enormous.

[00:26:03] So I don't know how we'd get you in. That's a good point, Anya. That's a good point. Weighing down that car. David, I'd say you'd slip in like a hand into a glove. Thanks, Anya. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Or you'd suck into it and see. I don't know. My second question, Dave, is do you think you'd be a good pit person? Would you be good at that sort of thing? I would love to say yes, but I feel the pressure would be too much. You've got to change four tyres in two seconds. Pit stops are incredibly stressful.

[00:26:32] I feel I'd bottle it. I just have to be honest. I don't know if I could do it. Too high pressure. Too high stakes. Now this is the question, Dave, because yeah, so what's a good pit time now? Like a good pit stop is like 2.2 seconds. An amazing pit stop might be 1.8. And they're changing all four tyres in the car in that time. Am I right in saying that when we were watching Kimi Raikkonen and the lads in the late 90s, it was more like six and a half?

[00:27:00] It was, but they also used to refuel. So at the way the cars are now, particularly in the hybrid era. Give them 50. Go up to Esso on the N11. Right? We'll wait here. You come back. Yeah. They're doing two Twix's for 150 as well. So pick them up. Get some windscreen fluid. Get a receipt for the petrol, but not for the Twix's. Because that's what they do. You can't expense the Twix's. Yeah. Different debit cards. Actually, make sure you have the club card though, because you're getting your miles there. Oh yeah. Don't do the miles plus. There's no point.

[00:27:30] Get your points. So yeah, they used to refill the cars in some pit stops and they don't anymore. The cars have enough fuel to go the whole race. So they don't have to refuel, which makes the pit stops a lot quicker. And they've also designed kind of amazing technology to mean they can change the tires in two seconds. It's kind of amazing to watch. So I think McLaren had the record breaking pit stop last year. It was something like 1.8 seconds. It looks too fast. It looks stupidly fast. The car is motionless for like less than two seconds. How about question three of the quiz guys?

[00:28:00] We are not still in the quiz. Surely not. We're about to round up. We're about to get to final judgments. So we should have questions three first. We kill off this quiz. So there are loads of songs about driving and I'm going to give you three sets of lyrics and you're going to tell me what songs these are. Okay? So then I'm down in the bottom of a pit in the blazing sun, torn and twisted at the foot of a burning bike. And I think somebody somewhere must be tolling a bell. And the last thing I see is my heart.

[00:28:31] Still beating. Still beating. Bat out of hell? Bat out of hell by Meatloaf. 1977. Well done. I don't think I've ever even heard that song, but I was like, it sounds rubbish. Very few people have ever heard the end of it. It's rumored to exist, but no one ever gets there. Okay. I had to escape. The city was sticky and cruel. Maybe I should have called you first, but I was dying to get to you.

[00:28:58] Is this Flock of Seagulls, that song? Iran? Is that it? No, but I think you're thinking of the same song. You're completely wrong, but I think you're on the... Is it Sunglass at Night? No. Is it Boys of Summer? No. It's very like all of these songs. Oh, Tom Petty. Is it Tom Petty? No. Is it Ventura Highway? No? No. I enjoyed this new podcast we're doing now.

[00:29:29] It's a shame song. Michael, am I talking classic rock? No, okay. I'm going to count that as no one got it. It's I Drove All Night by Roy Orbison. Absolute banger of a tune. Oh, I was not thinking of that. And I think you need to look up the word banger. Absolute banger. Hugh, this one I think you're going to get. Beep, beep, beep, beep. I told that girl that my... Yes, that's exactly it. I told that girl that my prospects were good. And she said, baby, it's understood.

[00:29:59] Which is... What's this song? I've never heard this song. How's that about driving? Baby, you can drive my car. Yeah, by the Beatles. The Beatles. That's a good thing we did question three, guys. Yeah. We did it. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord. Can I ask you, Dave, and actually, do you know what? My question was going to be, what are they talking about on the radio? Because, as far as I can see, if I had the radio, I don't know what I'd be saying.

[00:30:26] So can you, could you, now we have an audio medium here. Could you simulate, you can pick one of the gang here. You could be the person with the mic and they could be the driver. I'll be the engineer and I'll be like radioing the driver. Is that what we're on? Okay, it's like... Yeah, perfect. Onya, you're the driver. Onya, you're driving. Yeah, Onya's definitely driving. Okay, Onya, we have Hugh two seconds behind. You don't have to do the noise of the car, Onya. You're the driver. Will's going to do the noise of the car for you. Will's the car. Will's the car. Onya's the driver.

[00:30:55] I'm so excited for my race. I love racing. I'm a big car. I'm a red bull. Brum, brum, here I go. That's uncanny. How does he do it? Okay, Onya, we have Hugh two seconds behind. So, box this lap for new socks. Box this lap. I'm literally going as fast as I can. I don't know what more you possibly want from me. I'm just going to do my best. We want you to come into the pit stop. God dammit, just come into the pit.

[00:31:26] There's no time, Dave. There's no time. I can lap him. I can do it. You've got to put me in. Alright, okay, stay out. I don't know. I'm staying out. Do whatever. I'm going for the... To be honest, this actually does resemble a Ferrari radio goal at this point. This is actually not dissimilar to the chaos. So, are you telling me... You're like the manager on the sidelines in a football match. Yeah, so I'm your race engineer and I'm giving you the state of the race. So, Hugh's two seconds behind you and we're going to get you into the pit stop this lap

[00:31:56] so we can get new tires on so you can hopefully keep your lead after Hugh comes into the pit stop later. That's what's happening there. So, I'm giving you a state of the race. So, I can see. I have my wing mirrors and stuff. Telling you what to do. But he's two seconds behind you. You can't see him. He's way back. So, I've got to give you the state of play and give you like tactical advice on the race. And then sometimes the drivers get really annoyed because they just want to drive the cars. And then they are like, shut up. Stop talking to me. Now, Dave.

[00:32:23] So, let's say your pit stop takes 1.8 seconds, right? But how much extra time does taking the pit stop? Because you obviously go into the pit lane. Your speed drops way down. Like how much time do you lose in that whole segment? Depends on the track. We're probably like 20 something seconds in a lot of a lot of racetracks. But then Hugh, which is obviously you in this context, you've probably got a pit as well. So, you're also going to lose 20 seconds. Pit stop, toilet break, lunch. The question really is... Back in the car. Exactly.

[00:32:53] When do we take the pit and can we stay ahead of you? Vanya's two seconds up the road. We want to come in at just the right time, get new tires so that you can't get ahead of her by making a more tactically advantageous pit stop. Exciting, right? Everyone loves this. And what if something goes wrong in my pit stop and somebody like for some reason it's Michael is trying to do the tires or something. Yeah, you're fucked. Like does it ever happen? Oh, it does. That they mess up? There was... In... About 10 years ago in Australia,

[00:33:21] one team didn't successfully attach the fourth wheel to like either of their cars. And so they had to like pull in a few hundred meters up the road because they failed to attach like the rear wheel. So that does happen sometimes. Or it could take ages. Maybe the wheel gets stuck and you could lose your entire lead to Hugh because your pit crew couldn't get the tires changed. You know, it's drama. Oh, but I'd be going nuts. Like it's the driver going crazy. Yes. And you'll be on the radio being like, this is unbelievable. I can't believe this. And then I come on and be like,

[00:33:51] Anya, be professional. We'll talk about it after the race. And you're like, no, this is unacceptable. It's great. It's just, you know, it's human drama. I do like the sound of that. Here's another question. So you've got, you've got the, the, what do they call the manager of the team again? The team principal. Team principal. So you've got your principal. Then is there just, is there just one race engineer, like one lead race engineer who's, who's like your manager or your coach on the day? Yeah. And the only person who speaks to you on the day is probably your race engineer

[00:34:19] and maybe your team principal, maybe depending on the team. But so your, your race engineer is like your kind of your coach, your sports psychologist and your tactical advisor. And if you have two cars, if the team has two cars, is it still one race engineer dealing with both? No, each driver gets their own engineer. And sometimes they have to compete against each other. So sometimes you divide the garage and they make separate tactical decisions without talking to each other because you're actually competing for the championship, you know? Yeah.

[00:34:48] Well, again, back in the day, so Barrichello, there was occasionally a situation. In my mind, it happened like nine times. But there was a situation where Barrichello, who was, who was Ferrari's second driver behind, behind Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello, a Brazilian, I believe. Correct. And he, he was, was ahead in the race, but then slowed down and let Schumacher overtake him. Yeah. On the last lap, Ferrari told him to give the place over and he did.

[00:35:15] And Schumacher won the race because he was in a championship fight and he got booed on the podium. The crowd booed it. Yeah. Because they were like, that's not the sport. Did that only happen once? I think it was only happened once that egregiously, but there, there are times semi regularly when one driver is in a championship fight and the other is not where they will say, let the lead driver through. And, but people don't like it because we like racing. We don't like people getting waved by. It's not proper racing. So it's called team orders and it's. There are teams, right? That seems fair.

[00:35:45] Like it's your teammate, you know? Yeah. And the team wants to win. They're not really though, Michael. They don't like each other. They don't. Like, yeah. But that's what Michael thinks a team is. Like Rubens Barrichello doesn't just want to, you know, he wants to win races for himself. He sure does. Yeah. And I think people hate, you know, losing to their teammate because only your teammate is in the exact same car. So with anyone else, you could say, well, their car could have been better this weekend or the engineering was better. Yeah. The teammate has the same car.

[00:36:14] If you lose to your teammate, that person's better than you. You know, that's just the way it is. And so are we supposed to be cheering for the driver or the team or the car? Like, or is that, is that up to like, like Dave, is there a team that you want to win the driving championship and another team you want to win the engineering championship? Yeah. So, so I, I kind of just want great racing. I'm just there to like watch the drama unfold. For me, it's like Game of Thrones, but with cars, there's like politics and like interpersonal

[00:36:42] battles or whatever, but there are teams I love and teams I hate. So I like when Ferrari do well because they're really good, but they're also kind of bad. So it's kind of easy to root for them. And I hate it when Red Bull do well because the former team principal of Red Bull was awful. And I don't like Max Verstappen who drives for Red Bull, even though I have to say he's the most talented driver on the grid at the moment, but I still don't like him. If you were in Game of Thrones, how much of an advantage do you think having a car would be?

[00:37:13] I mean, not that much because you could kind of drive it into like the dragons or whatever, but the dragons would just like breathe fire at you and the car would explode. Yeah. So I don't think I don't think it's that good. As with most things in Game of Thrones, once the dragons got grown up, everything got a bit messed up, you know? Also, there's no real infrastructure. Like you can't fill up your F1 car at a King's moot. That's a good point. That's a good point. Very few engineers to fix it if it breaks, which it would all the time.

[00:37:43] The surfaces are not very flat on the King's road, I would say. I think it's fair that lots of the drivers are only children. Therefore, they have no siblings to have sex with as well. And there's only one seat in the car. Yeah. Very important. Dave, I have another question for you again, based on what has happened in the 30 years since I've stopped watching F1. Is it true? Well, I want to know. I want to know what it was like then and how it has changed in terms of if you're on poll.

[00:38:13] How likely is it that you're going to win? How much are leaders overtaking each other these days? Is any? I feel like the and there's aren't there certain races where it's like once you've got poll, you've really got to mess it up to lose it. And there is a bit of just the balance. I don't want to know. Yeah. Will doesn't give a shit. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. So there is. So the next race on the calendar, as we record, is Monaco. And that is quite processional. If you qualify on poll, you probably win and it can be quite boring.

[00:38:42] And there are some other circuits that are like that, particularly the like legacy circuits that were maybe fun in the 1950s, but are not anymore. There is quite good racing on a lot of tracks and they've designed the cars in a new way this year, which allows them to follow much closer. And there's a lot of wheel to wheel racing. So it's quite exciting. And but it can get very races can settle into a real pattern or one car is way faster than the others.

[00:39:06] It's just like all the Mercs are 20 seconds up the road and this race is over after like two or three laps. This is the other thing, Dave. How can the cars? There are only about 11 cars. How can the cars be way faster than each other? Why can these multi-billionaires not just create 11 fast cars? Just build good cars, you mugs. I mean, I guess it's hard or whatever. I said, like they have very strict rules. And was it on you giving out about this or Michael giving out about this earlier?

[00:39:33] They have to like conform to all these very exacting rules. But that means that it's like an extra challenge and some people just mess it up and like build a slightly shit car. It used to be very much a money ball sport where Ferrari and Mercedes and Red Bull would spend like 500 million and the lower teams and spend like 50 million. And so obviously the teams that spent 500 million won, but now there's a budget cap so no one can spend over 200 million a year or something like that.

[00:40:00] And so it's much more equal, but there are still teams that get it right and teams that get it wrong. But there are some of the teams that just buy technology from other teams, right? Like people just buy Ferrari's engine or whatever, right? Yeah. So not every team makes their own engine and some teams buy a lot of parts. So you call it a works team if they do kind of almost everything themselves and a customer team if they take an engine and maybe some other parts. But even a customer team can win.

[00:40:25] So like McLaren won both the constructors and the drivers championship last year where they take their engine and a lot of their gearbox parts from Mercedes. So sometimes you can be the best team even if you're not building everything yourself because you have the best aero designers. Maybe you make the car work more effectively than everyone else. Dave, you mentioned the huge sums of money involved. I suppose points to the maybe the murky, the murkiness of it, the grimness of it. Is there a slightly gross side to all this?

[00:40:54] You know, huge amounts of money. These playboys scudding around Monaco. Any thoughts on that, Dave? There is. There is that. So it is both a very glamorous sport because, you know, you're jetting around to European cities and, you know, racing very fast cars at like 370 kilometers an hour. But you're also like shaking hands with the leaders of corrupt petro states, like shilling for really terrible brands, shilling for oil companies all the time. There's a lot of that.

[00:41:23] And they have to do loads of media where they like pretend they think these brands are great. Really awful watch companies as well. Does anyone know Richard Mille watches? They look awful. Yeah, we're actually Dave, we're actually sponsored by them. So just slow your roll. We're actually sponsored by Richard Mille. Sorry. Yeah. I'm wearing one right now. Just a great. It's a wonderful timekeeper. I would say I'm merely a custodian of this piece that I'm wearing. I'll pass it on to the generation. What a brand. Cheap. 300 grand, I think you would say.

[00:41:52] So there's an awful lot of that. So it is both simultaneously an incredibly glamorous and incredibly embarrassing sport. It can be both of those things at once. Because like capitalism kind of ruins everything over the long run. Right. So it's a very capitalist sport. And Dave, in terms of following the sport, obviously you follow it exhaustively. It would be difficult. They're so fast. So fast. Yeah. But as we've said, if Dave needs a bathroom break, he can really up his pace. Yeah.

[00:42:21] Like, so I love cricket. Right. And I do like watching cricket. But one of the great things about cricket is there's always like sometimes, sometimes like nuclear war level politics going on in the background. Right. You know, like the Indian government may fall depending on what happens in the IPL or chess. Obviously I play chess. I don't watch a huge amount of chess, although it's a little amount, but the politics going on in chess, all that stuff going on is amazing.

[00:42:47] So do you think in terms of your following the sport, what percentage of your enjoyment comes from stuff that is happening when the cars aren't even driving? Nice, Hugh. I would say it's 50-50. I love because I love that. I love that wheel to wheel racing. I love the drama of who's going to win this weekend, who's quickest, whatever. But I also listen to like nerdy podcasts about the politics, who's in, who's out, who's looking

[00:43:14] for a new driver, people lobbying to get the rules changed. It's like it is 50%, at least 50% politics. But because like the stakes are obviously high, there's like tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. But it's also just like money and sport. It's not like geopolitical level stakes. So it's like, you know, you're following the news, but it's much less grim because it's not, you know, the fate of the world doesn't turn on it. So I love reading F1 news. It's great. It's great crack.

[00:43:43] And there's so much drama, so much infighting, so much bitching between people. It's great. And Dave, you mentioned the glamour. This is an open question to the panel. Is there a more glamorous sport? I think F1 might be right at the top. Polo? Polo. Polo is pretty glamorous. Polo? Yacht racing? Yeah. Luxury yacht racing. Luxury. Yeah. Sorry. Actually, Anya, you told me something in the last week that I had not heard.

[00:44:12] Can you share with the group what you told me? Yeah. So basically around a decade ago, somebody, when I was rowing, but not at a very high level, someone asked me, did I want to participate in what they described as a fun race, like a fun run? And I, they lied about it being in any way a fun race. It was in fact an 18 kilometer rowing race down the river Barrow.

[00:44:41] And it was like so comically difficult. And the upsetting thing about rowing is you can't just decide you don't want to do it anymore. Like halfway through. But then you're in a swimming race. Yeah. And also because you're rowing with three other people, you, you can't just be like, I'm not doing this because then they can't do it either. Um, so it was horrendous. And as a result, if anyone tries to convince me to do any of those things now, you know,

[00:45:09] fun runs, fun walks and everything, I'm just, I'm very suspicious. And no port-a-loos either. No, you've got to go over the side of the boat. Yeah. Dave, I suppose the other, the other thing I enjoyed watching it in, in those glory days, even though Schumacher won everything was that we had an Irish team and an Irish driver. Sure. You know, Jordan, we ever going to get anywhere like that again, Eddie Jordan and who

[00:45:37] Giancarlo Fisichella drove for them at one point. I think, did he win a race for them? Maybe I think he might've, Eddie Irvine won a few races as well. He did. Like, are we ever going to get, I know that every now and then there's like, oh, there's an Irish driver in F4 or something. Yeah. It's possible. There was a guy who was very hyped in F2, which is the junior series, like the feeder series last year, a guy called Alex Dunn. Everyone was very excited about him. Then he did crash a lot.

[00:46:05] I think I don't follow F2 as closely as I follow F1, but I think there might've been a number of crashes. Now crashing a lot just for people who don't follow it. Like, it's not great. Not a good tactic. You know, yeah, we, we, we, you try to avoid it. So there's a little bit less hype about him. I think he might've moved teams. So fingers crossed. Maybe he might get a chance. It would be amazing to get an Irish driver back in F1. Recapture the Jordan glory days. I saw in Easton's recently, Eddie Jordan. I don't know.

[00:46:34] Someone has written like Eddie Jordan's life lessons. So if you want life lessons from a man who ran an Irish F1 team, there is a book out there now for you. So you heard it here first. Run, don't walk to your local bookshop and pick it up. Dave, is there a part of you that thinks you could have been a Formula One driver or still thinks you could become one? Oh, absolutely. I'm like Michael in this one respect. I think if I had gotten into F1 early enough, I, this could have been me. I mean, you know, I, I, I've got the skills. I got the reflexes. I can drive.

[00:47:04] I can drive well. Dave, you find driving the M8 to Gork stressful enough. If we'd like to add one thing to F1 to try and add a bit more randomness, a bit more interesting. What do people, would people have any suggestions? So for me, it's you add a little toe and it has to be coins into the basket. Really good. That's the only way. You've no express lane. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. You've got to get, and the basket's quite far away as well. And you can take off your gloves. Yeah.

[00:47:32] So you have to like really get, and it's exact change only. Brilliant. You might have to get out of the car, back it up, use the reverse gear. Yeah. I think, do you know the way in some like driving schools and things like you see in like us films, you know, a kind of cut out of an old woman would run across the road. And you have to break really fast. That'd be really, that'd really shake it up. And you never know when it's going to happen. But like a child, maybe a real child even runs out in the track and you have to break really fast to make sure you don't like kill the child. And that happens once or twice a race.

[00:48:02] I mean, just looking at Max Verstappen's face tells me that he would not be breaking. No, 100%. Max would, Max would, would kill the child and therefore win the world championship. The, yeah. He's got the killer instinct. It's the truest test. Has anyone ever been done for doping in F1? Oh, I don't know. There have been lots of cheating scandals, but usually like engineering cheating or in one famous case, one team ordered their driver to crash. So the other driver could win. That was a big one.

[00:48:31] So that's kind of more the cheating you get in, in F1. It's kind of like building an illegal engine or ordering your drivers to crash to benefit the other. So when you say ordering them to crash, because initially I was like, well, just get like Barak, to crash into someone else. No, to crash into the barriers and cause a safety car to give your lead driver an advantage. So it was, I think it was Renault did this in, um, it was at the Singapore Grand Prix

[00:48:58] and a bunch of the people got banned for life from F1. But then like 20 years later, they left the guy who orchestrated it back in. Cause it's that kind of sport, you know? But if Renault did it, I mean, that basically means like Sarkozy or whoever was in charge did it, right? Like aren't they owned by the French government? Yeah. I don't know if Sarkozy was on the phone ordering. Is that why he's in prison?

[00:49:23] I don't think anyone ever went to jail for Crashgate now, but happy to be corrected. Yeah. So there you go. Well guys, I'm just having a look down at my beautifully handcrafted Richard Meele watch, which is available online exclusively for our listeners. I think we're coming to the end of the episode. What do you think producers? Yeah, I think so. That time master 9000 you've got will really, the emeralds on it are really glinting over the video feed. It's beautiful. Do you think I thought they were a bit much? You don't think so?

[00:49:51] No, nothing is too much on a Richard Meele timepiece, Will. I agree. No. Why, why, why have the side when you could have the full meal? I have one final question, Dave, for you. And it's because this is my own perception that F1 is experiencing a renaissance. We had the film, the Brad Pitt film. There's just a lot more people talking about it.

[00:50:15] And also for your and my enjoyment, you have these little Kit Kat Formula One shaped bars doing the rounds. They're fun and delicious. Can I ask Will and Dawn, what year is Michael going to tell us that there's this great new show called Drive to Survive? I think Michael thinks the renaissance is a renaissance that's happening now. He's so behind on everything. So I'll be very honest, I've never heard of Drive to Survive. He's good. Like what, what is this?

[00:50:46] Michael, you would, I don't think I'm allowed to say. You'd be throbbing. You'd have. You would suck it and see Michael. Oh my God. You would love Drive to Survive. Is it as good as this sweet chocolate bar? Look at that. That's a convincing Formula One car, right? Of a Kit Kat, isn't it? I would love a refreshing, delicious Kit Kat right now. Amazing. The only one who won't let us, who won't let us use his video is doing a visual gag.

[00:51:16] Surely the Kit Kat race car is rapidly melting in the heat given that you've made us record this in, I think, 31 degree heat. We haven't actually talked about that, how we really had to drag ourselves to the microphones today, guys. It's a heat wave. I was forced. Yeah, I don't want to go to the heat or function of legitimate likes, but Will did flag to us. It was going to be something like 31 degrees in London tonight. It's very, very warm in Ireland as well. And in our well insulated houses, it's certainly very warm inside.

[00:51:44] And I did suggest maybe we should wait until a more ambient evening to record. And Michael said, no, let's just push ahead and crack out two sweaty ones and made us do it. And then just before recording, Michael texted me and said, I'm actually feeling pretty tired. So could you take the lead on this one? You snake in the grass. I'm sitting here. I can feel the waterfall of sweat cascading down my back. I can't really see you straight.

[00:52:13] The second episode we're about to record back to back. I'm sure that'll be just. It's 33 in mine. God help you. Okay. But here's the question. Is F1 a legitimate like? Okay, Hugh, do you want to go first and give us your final judgment on Formula One? I... I suppose like so many of us, when Drive to Survive came back and made it all popular again, I was like,

[00:52:43] well, if everyone else thinks it's great, obviously I can't like it. You know, and that's true of many of us about lots of things. I loved it. I watched it every week when I was a kid. I remember Damon Hill, I think one in 95. That's kind of the, I think the first year I remember. And then 96, 97. And it was all those. And again, in my mind, there was so much drama. Now maybe they were just going around the track all the time. Well, sorry. Not maybe they were. Of course they were doing that.

[00:53:09] I had a great computer game, a black and white computer game on an Apple Macintosh in the 90s called Grand Prix, which was amazing. Nice. And you do the different tracks. Now, admittedly, I don't think I ever made it through the tunnel in Monaco. Just too hard. No. Yeah. I mean. I go on, Hugh. I go on. Just think. Give him a like. Just think. This is an interesting one. I didn't expect you to be on the fence.

[00:53:38] No, like I don't watch it anymore, you know? And like I say, it seems like they don't even overtake anymore. It seems like not watching it. I shouldn't have said I didn't watch it because now I'm going to say all the things that do and don't happen despite having no knowledge of it. Nice. But no, I'm going to say it's not a legitimate like anymore. Oh, my God. Boo. What an upset. The crowd's not happy.

[00:54:04] And I mean, like, I don't think anyone believes Will is going to call us a legitimate like. His body language isn't giving legitimate like, I have to say. Yeah. I've fallen asleep three times in this record. Go on, Dave. Do you want to give a vote, Will, or do you want to? No, I want to see what Dave has to say. See if Dave can convince me either way. Or have to keep the throne like Edward VIII.

[00:54:30] I think it's a legitimate like because it's a sport that you can get into even if you're a super nerd. There's something for everyone. There's politics. There's engineering. There's kind of athletic achievement as far as you have to be really, really good driver. And it's in like glamorous places. And it kind of looks cool. Also, if you don't really want to watch the races, you can just watch Drive to Survive and just like get the plot lines from the season afterwards. There's no need to watch the whole thing if you don't want.

[00:54:54] There's an amazing Kenny Reeves documentary on I think Disney Plus about Braun GP, one of the most amazing stories in F1 where they bought an F1 team for a pound and made the best car ever. It's incredible. It's just got it's got all sorts of human drama. Everybody go watch it. Don't listen to Hugh and Will. It's great. Legitimate like. That's harsh because Will didn't even say anything, but yeah, sorry, Will. Yeah. I just don't where I zoned out for most of that.

[00:55:19] I think I'm in danger of just because David Kenny can sort of argue anything and make you be like, God, maybe I do love it. And I've watched Drive to Survive and that was actually really fun. I think there's nothing more boring. Well, no, there's one thing more boring than talking about cars going the same track around and around 70 times. And that's doing a podcast talking about cars going around the same track so many times. I did it.

[00:55:44] I think that some people struggle to sleep and it's nice to have a soporific episode where we know that they'll get 10 minutes in. And inevitably, this is going to be our most listened to episode. But despite our Richard Meal sponsor, no, F1 is not a legitimate like Snoresville. Population Kenny. He's just taking off his glasses though. And he's going to let his hair down in a sec. It's because he's crying. He's so sad.

[00:56:14] Anya, what would you have said? Oh, it's obviously absolutely dreadful and really stupid. But Dave did make a very compelling argument. This feels like the biggest trap. We've never invited a guest on just to absolutely rinse their... Ambush. It's terrible. It's the biggest disparity between how much the guest clearly loves something, is so passionate about it, and we just absolutely stomped on it. Michael, obviously you'd say it is a legitimate lie. Do you know what? I didn't know anything about it.

[00:56:44] Doing the research, which obviously was extensive for this episode, I did find it very interesting. But then when Dave started talking, I was just like, there's no way. Like this is turgid. And also, like, is it the only sport where the teams aren't geographically linked? That's just confusing. You know, give me a country, give me a flag. They'll understand it. Well, actually, they're kind of all linked to Britain is actually the problem. Okay. Oh, okay.

[00:57:14] My ears are burning. Very UK oriented sport. Even Mercedes, who seem German, are actually British. It's remarkable. When are we going to get a female driver in Formula One? Yeah, there is kind of... There's a lot of buzz about Dorianne Pa, who won the women's feeder series is very good. She's been getting some time in... The women's feeder series. There's a sentence. Yeah, okay. We might try and rephrase that one. But she's been getting some time in a Merc. Suck it in C, ladies.

[00:57:44] There's no reason that there shouldn't be female F1 drivers. So hopefully... And I just want to say, guys, even though... Probably get lost. No one else thinks of this. Probably get bloody lost. Can't parallel park on the track. Can't make this... Stop and ask for directions. Can't do the parking job. So I just want to say, even though none of you have backed my legitimate like, I'm not offended. Because to be offended, I'd have to give a shit about what any of you think about anything. So don't worry about it. Whoa. We're all good. This is fine.

[00:58:13] I'm fine with this. And Dave, what's your second favourite all white, all male sport? That's in the pocket of petrochemical states. Yeah. Unfortunately, not as many sports as I would like are just so thoroughly corrupted by petrochemical money. So this is the only one I can actually back. The politics of this podcast is so confusing, Dave. If I mention anything about ethics or indeed Essex, I get jumped on immediately.

[00:58:43] But now they're like, oh, so you like this unethical sport, do you, David? Yeah. Everyone needs a vice, you know, and mine is loving corrupt petrochemical state sponsored. They're just sports. So. Guys, we had a lot of fun. This is the first episode of the new season, right? I hope not. We'll lose a lot of listeners. Start off strong with something everyone hates. Yeah. So come back for more, I guess, this season. Is that how we say it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:13] Come back for more this season, I guess. Is that how we say it? Yeah, if you want to. Shall I do a speedy race car noise to see us out? Yeah. Who can do the best car noise? Zoom. Only Child. That was so Michael can do a car noise. Okay. So he's making everyone else in the playground do a car noise. That's pretty good, right? Thank you so much for listening to Legitman Likes. Anya and Michael, thank you for producing. Hugh, thank you for co-hosting.

[00:59:41] David, Kenny, every time you come on the show, our listens skyrocket. So thank you for gracing us with your presence again. That's not even a joke. That's just truth. Thanks, guys. It's a pleasure to be here. Loved it. Thanks, Dave. We'll see you all next time. Goodbye. See you next time. Love you. Goodbye.

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