Cryptids, Ghosts, and UFOs: Inside DNR Paranormal's World!

[00:00:10] Right then guys, welcome back into The Spooky Shed Podcast, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary, and of course spooky. I've got two guests with me tonight, so we have got Anthony and Charlie from DNR Paranormal. So gentlemen, welcome into The Shed, how are we? Good, how's it going? Good to be here. Good, good, good. All good for me, all good for me. Right, I didn't give you as much notice on this because I keep forgetting to tell people about this part.

[00:00:33] So I always start my episodes by getting my guests to leave something in the shed. So it can be anything you want, something you love, something you hate, a person, place, an actual physical object. Can I leave Charlie in the shed? I want to leave you in the shed. If that's what you want, then yeah. My rule is I have to take everything and someone wants to have to fucking butt plug in here, so like I say. Oh no! I don't have one of those, so I can't leave that behind. So what have you got for me? Let's leave Chris in the shed. We're leaving Chris in the shed. Chris is our third member.

[00:01:03] He still lives a couple of states away. We couldn't get him to move down. So we're going to leave Chris in the shed. Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. Good show, good show. Right, so where are you guys based then? We are in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina in the United States. Nice. Cool, cool. Yeah. I'll tell you where I am, but you won't have heard of it, so there's no point. You're in the shed! I've heard of that. Exactly! Yeah. That's all that matters. Oh, yeah. Right, so do you just want to let our listeners know a little bit about your show and what you guys do before we jump into the weird stuff?

[00:01:32] Cool, okay. We are DNR Paranormal. We are a team of paranormal investigators and loosely cryptozoologists. We study anything that is part of the unknown. So we'll figure out if you've got a ghost in your house. We deep dive into any kind of cryptids or alien stories, ghosts, demons, anything weird and funky. We like to research it, try to figure out if it's real or not, and we try to stay as open and honest about it all, too.

[00:01:56] So if we do an episode for our podcast on something that's straight out of someone's backyard made-up campfire story, we're going to tell you straight up, like, this thing is not real. We're sorry how much you love the pig man. Yeah. But she's not running around Vermont or something like that. Yeah. Or same thing with, like, ghost hunting, too. Yeah. If you bring us through, you think you have ghosts, you know, I will tell you if you have rats. Like, you know, no, you don't need an exorcist, you need an exterminator, man. But, uh...

[00:02:26] Yeah, no, we keep it super honest with everything. It started off as just a ghost hunting thing, and then we were like, hey, I like cryptids. And we started to talk about, like, you know, we do a cryptid file podcast now. Right. Where we talk about all kinds of different cryptids and monster stories from all over the world. And it's a lot of fun. Nice, nice. I like it. All the weird stuff, that's what I always like to refer it to, just to keep it nice and simple. All the fun stuff, all the weird stuff. That's always the best. Yeah. Right. So, do you guys want to tell me, like, where does it all start for you then?

[00:02:54] Like, you know, the fascination with the paranormal and cryptids and all that weird stuff. Yeah. Okay. So, I was actually in the Navy for like six years, right? Nice. And we were flying around in a helicopter, kind of like Middle East area. And there was a really bright light that was kind of chilling in the sky, like just flying around. Right. And it was like an orb. And so we put our camera on it and we started recording it.

[00:03:21] And it was doing all kinds of like weird movements, shooting really far to the left, really far to the light. We had a range finder that we put on it to give us the actual range. And it was going from like, you know, a couple thousand meters away to like nearly, you know, like a couple miles away in a matter of seconds. And so we got this whole thing recorded. Right. And we bring it back to Intel on the boat. And I was like, hey, look, we found this cool video. And they were like, oh, sick. Thank you. Now, I've taken videos of like Russian submarines before, you know, like our range ships.

[00:03:49] And they always let us go back and look at the videos afterwards, you know. And so I go back to my shop and I was like, hey, guys, I got this really cool video. Let's go check it out. And we go back to Intel and they're like, oh, yeah, you can't look at that anymore. And I was like, what? So I got real pissed off. But I was like my first UFO sighting. Right. And after that, I got like just super into like, you know, like UFOs, like the history of it in the U.S. because there's, you know, like we had Project Blue Book. We had all investigate like our government was investigating UFOs for a long period of time. Still are.

[00:04:17] So, yeah, I just got into paranormal stuff like that. And he was always into ghost stuff. Yeah. So I grew up as a very, very scared kid. I didn't like the dark. I didn't like anything scary, anything like that for a very long time. And then I started getting really big into like urban exploration and stuff like that. Checking out old abandoned buildings and things. It's called breaking and entering. It's only being able to break something. I ponded open windows. But you start hearing things when you're in these empty buildings and seeing shit out of the corner of your eye.

[00:04:45] And I decided that the best way to not be afraid of something is to start chasing it instead. The buddy that I was doing all this urban action with, we started getting ghost equipment and trying to see if there was anything in these buildings we were already exploring. And then it just evolved into starting DNR and going to graveyards and people's houses and figuring all this kind of stuff out. Nice. I like it. I like it. And like, also, that's just like pure confirmation of like UFOs then. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. Of all the other stuff they've let you look back at.

[00:05:14] But no, no, you can't say that. That's just like, no, that's surely not like coincidence of why they're not letting you say that again. That's just pure fucking confirmation. That threw me off so much. They have never told me I couldn't watch a video that I filmed myself before, you know? So, from that point on, I was just locked in. I was like, all right, you know what? And I started getting more stories from different guys that did my job in the Navy flying the back of helicopters. And I was like, hey, do you guys have any cool like UFO sightings that they didn't let you look at afterwards? Like, yeah, it's only the flying ones.

[00:05:44] And I was like, yeah. They're still collecting information on UFOs, at least our military is. Oh, yeah. Don't ever stop. It started with Project Blue Book and like, I think that was the 60s or 80s in the US. Somewhere around. A long time ago, right? And they've kept it pretty well under wraps. They recently released a lot of the files from Project Blue Book where they're like, oh, yeah, we found like, you know, 12,000 cases or whatever of things that we investigated. And there's still like 200 of them that they don't have an explanation for.

[00:06:10] If you look at all the explanations they put up for things, too, it's like 90% of them are weather balloons. It's like, yeah, flying green spaceship was definitely a weather balloon. I mean, well, you've just said that that always seems to be the answer for it. And I mean, I don't even know what one looks like. I don't even know if we use them over here. But like, yeah, I don't understand how that can always be the explanation when I literally don't even know what one is. Yeah, no, I've never seen a weather balloon. A balloon does.

[00:06:38] That's probably why they're using it as an explanation because no one doesn't know what they look like. Well, there's that mystery solved. Yeah, that's interesting because then I think you might be, apart from myself, sort of, because my story with the paranormal is a bit weird. Mine started, finished and then started again. But I think you're the first person then, Charlie, to say like that, you know, that it hasn't started when you were a kid because nine out of 10 people, that's what they always tell me. And I keep thinking to myself, do I stop asking this question?

[00:07:07] Because it's always the same fucking answer. Yeah, yeah. It all started. I really have one different answer. Yeah, I honestly didn't give a shit about any of it before that experience. And then I started noticing a lot more weird shit. And I was like, you know, there's some shit they're not telling me. There's some shit they're not telling me. I got to figure this shit out. But it's cool. No, because like we've dove into like, you know, like Japan where they had like the Kofu-Fang humanoids. Yeah, yeah. That was like another UFO sighting that they did investigations into.

[00:07:38] The, what's the balloon one? This one's a real balloon. But, uh, Scarecrow of Shangri. Yeah, the ghostly Scarecrow of Shangri. This one was hysterical. That was a, it was a Scarecrow balloon that everyone thought was anything. Yeah. So this dude did lose a Scarecrow balloon the day before this sighting. Right. And everybody saw this floating like up and down bobbing humanoid thing. It was this little Pokemon looking thing. Yeah, it looked like a Pokemon. But it made like national headlines and everything. And everyone's like, oh yeah, it was a UFO.

[00:08:07] It was an alien. I'm like, nah, dude, that was a balloon. Yeah. They're like, you didn't have arms or legs. I'm like, yeah, balloons don't have those. So. I always remember in like the, like early, early to mid two thousands. I don't know if these, don't know whether these was as much a big thing for you guys as the word for over here. Given what we said before we started recording, I don't know whether this is gonna be offensive, but we always called them Chinese lanterns. Weirdly. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:08:32] And I remember obviously, well, I don't know if it was the same for you, but over here, like you said, early two thousands, mid two thousands. People were letting them fuckers off every single night. And the amount of times it was on the news and everyone and people thinking, thinking there were UFOs and stuff, which to me was funny. Cause I'm like, how can you be that stupid? Well, yeah, it's just a paper lantern. Yeah. That's the problem we've noticed with a lot of these like UFO reports too.

[00:08:54] Like for every, like one really cool UFO sighting, you see there's going to be 30 other in the area that are just like, you know, I saw a satellite and you know, like we went to, we went to, we had, we had one, this is a local bar. We hang out at, and the bartender was convinced she had this UFO sighting on camera. So excited about it. You guys have to look into this for me, figure it out. She shows us the video and it's the reflection of her dashboard lights in her car window. Yeah. She's like, I saw that's the window of my car.

[00:09:24] And I'm like, honey, see your windows closed. And when you move those lights disappear. Cause you've got in the way of the reflection. It's not an alien. She's like, Oh man, we went to that UFO convention too. Yeah. And that was a terrible UFO convention, but we went to this year, the one in Georgia, one in Georgia. Yeah. Um, and the night before the UFO convention, there was a big meteor shower. Right. Right.

[00:09:48] And the next day, I guess they didn't know there was a meteor shower going on, but all the people from the convention were talking about this UFO sighting they had last night. I'm like, dude, no. And they're just like up there talking. That was a terrible convention. There was like five. The best part about it was it was out of distillery. So even though the convention sucked, we were at least loaded. We were happy. Every cloud. It was great. Oh man, it was hysterical. Yeah.

[00:10:14] It's like you say, because my background with it is really weird because when I was like, I don't know, like six or seven years old, maybe I was like really into it. Like I was that weird fucker. I used to sit in my bedroom and talk to people that weren't there. And then all of a sudden I was like massively skeptical. I wanted nothing to do with it. And then, well, it was through doing this. I used to do this with a co-host and they're like, weirdly, this was like his idea. And now I'm the one that's still fucking doing it. Yeah.

[00:10:40] Ever since I've been doing it and ever since I've looked more into the paranormal stuff, more weird shit keeps happening. It's just, to me, it's just more proof. But I like to tell myself that maybe like I've got some like weird repressed memory of where, I don't know, like I saw a demon or something. And then that's why I stopped myself believing in stuff. Yeah. It's possible. And it's also now that you're doing more of it, you're opening your mind to more of it. So you're becoming more receptive to more of it. People see what they're looking for. Yeah.

[00:11:06] And my son constantly just like waves and smiles and laughs at stuff that isn't there, which I don't need in my life or in my house. Yeah. Kids do that. Kids are still open. I have a two year old. Right. Right. And like we'll be hanging out playing and randomly she'll like look in like an empty corner and be like, hi. Hi. And I'll be like, no, stop that. Not in this house. Not in this house. There will be no mysterious ghost figure you're waving to in this house.

[00:11:34] But yeah, no, it's like kids and pets. Yeah. I'm always like super more receptive to like paranormal stuff. So or at least I think so. You know, they don't have any reason not to be. So. Yeah. Yeah. I've been told. Exactly. Yeah. It's crazy how much just opening your mind to it. Yes. You know, the key to pretty much experiencing it, which sounds. I mean, I mean, what are we like? Ten minutes into this, my mate Tommy's going to get a mention already. And that's probably a record. Well, my friend probably does that.

[00:12:04] Let's get freaky podcast. I always steal his catchphrase of when you look into the paranormal, it looks back. Yeah. Yeah. It's the truth. No, it's true. I use the term ignorance armor. If you don't believe it, you're not going to see it. And in one way, it keeps you safe because if you don't have your mind open to it, it's harder for anything to manifest or do its thing. Yeah, true. Once you open your mind to it and you start to believe in it and you start letting it come through, that's you're going to see more and more and more and more and more. It's going to make you more of a believer and the cycle continues.

[00:12:30] We just did a just before this, we did like a pre-investigation walkthrough at like a local like gun store near us. Right. And, you know, just walking through, they're like, oh, and this area is safe. This is like our safe area. And it's like it says safe space on the wall because it's like because they were they were experiencing all kind of paranormal stuff. I was like, all right, cool. But it's really just that, though, sometimes, you know, having that belief that you are safe, that that will of, you know, like you can't get past this.

[00:13:00] And you immediately could feel the energy chips. Well, you walked into that. Oh, yeah. Walking around the whole whole shop was like pressure and uncomfortable. You walked in that little safe space room and it was like, oh, my gosh, it is actually kind of cozy in here. You're OK. Yeah. So it's interesting. I'm interested to see. That was going to be an interesting investigation, though, because gunshots is going to have some bad juju. There's going to be some bad juju in the gunshot. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. They're telling us some stories there, too. And then a lot of those guns, too, were like pre-owned, like, you know, firearms and war antiques and all kinds of stuff.

[00:13:29] So, you know, there's some attachment there. Yeah. There's definitely some history attached to all that then. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we'll check it out. We'll see what we find for doing that Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. It is strange how you say, like, I would say, even in one location that there's certain places that feel different to others. Yeah. Yeah. That was my main thing. Like, say, when me and my old co-host Billy, when we started this, like, that was the thing me and him used to argue the most on about, like, you know, feelings that you get

[00:13:59] when you go places. Because I was like, shit, that's bollocks. Right. Yeah. Recently, I went to, uh, supposed to be one of the most haunted houses in the country for us. So it's called 30 East Drive. You might have heard of it. Video of it on our YouTube channel. So if anyone hasn't watched that, go and watch it. But like, when we were downstairs in the house, like, I felt fine. I could have been in my own house. It was fine. As soon as we went upstairs, I was like, nah, do not like this. This is fucking weird. Well, then it was literally like, I'd get leaked. I'd get exactly halfway down the stairs. So say there was 10 steps.

[00:14:29] As soon as I got to the fifth step, I felt fine again. So walk back one step. I thought, nope, don't like it. Yeah. Don't like it. Don't like it. Yep. Energy's real, man. I definitely, that's like my strong point in the team is I feel things. So I'll know immediately if something's whether good or bad, I can just feel the energy in a room and I can tell you there's something here for sure. And then it's kind of, I could feel it out a little longer. No. Okay. It's just somebody trying to communicate or there's something, something rough here that we got to get rid of. Yeah. No, it's, it's your, your own senses are always the best tool to bring.

[00:14:59] I mean, and there's, there's a lot of other tools you can bring. We talk about a lot of the scam of ghost hunting equipment. Yeah. Right. So if you like, you know, Google, like search online, oh, I want to get into ghost hunting. Let me buy some ghost hunting crap. And then you'll see, they'll sell you a spirit box for $200 and weird like EMF sensor that's devil's balls. The devil's balls for 50 bucks. Yeah. You know, like all kinds of crazy stuff. But reality, most of the stuff you need, you can get from home Depot, you know, you can get a Walmart. Yeah.

[00:15:26] You can get a laser thermometer, a EMF reader, all that stuff for, you know, you get a whole equipment set for less than 50 bucks to start investigations. Half the equipment I've bought at hardware stores and the other half you can get, honestly, like the devil's balls, right? It's literally just a little ball with a light in it that when you touch it, it lights up. Right. So it's something that you, you, you, you can get that. Cat balls. Cat balls. That's what they are. They're called cat balls because they are cat balls. You can go to a pet store and buy a cat ball for five bucks. Same shit. Same shit. Same thing with candles.

[00:15:56] All these things. Oh, it's the magical paranormal candle. No, you're just selling me a black wax candle for $200. I got one for 99 cents at the hobby store. It does the same thing. So people fall into these traps. The reality is you just need anything that can be manipulated by the physical world without you having to touch it. That's a piece of equipment, a candle, a thermometer, electrical readings, anything like that. Things that you can't do yourself. You set it up and then you let it work. I tell people to get creative with shit too.

[00:16:23] I mean, like we got, I made a motion cap system out of Xbox 360 connect. Right. So, you know, you can, you can buy your own like skeletal tracker, like, you know, for ghost hunting specifically for, you know, like an SLS camera. Yeah. Extortionate prices. Yeah. My Xbox 360 connects. I just recently bought for a 20 bucks. Yeah. It was $20. Right. And then I just made my own software for it.

[00:16:51] I mean, that takes, that's a little bit, you know, more in depth, but it's not, it's not insanely hard to do. Right. Or you can just go online and like, there's other free open sources for like similar software to, you know, connect with like, you know, devices like that. But you don't have to buy that SLS thousand dollar camera setup for ghost hunting. It's not going to, you're not going to find more ghosts, dude. It's not worth it. It's, you can do the same shit, personalize it, make it your own for, you know, under $30.

[00:17:20] And you'll be good to go twice as good. And I use the Xbox 360 connect specifically over the Xbox one connect. Cause the Xbox 360 uses a IR laser grid that it shoots off. So when I take an IR camera out, I can actually see where those lasers get disturbed. If I do get like a reading on there and you can get an actual depth chart back. But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's interesting with equipment, man.

[00:17:44] Like some people will go out and spend thousands of dollars for absolute garbage. Like just, don't do it. I always say with, with like, you know, ghost hunting equipment, paranormal, like paranormal investigation equipment, whatever you want to call it. I, I don't really like, I don't like it because like nothing is actually made for it. No. Yeah. Spirit box is just a fucking radio. It is. Yes. Yeah. It's a radio that they're charging. And your eyeballs are just fucking cop toys.

[00:18:14] Yeah. Yeah. My, one of my favorite pieces of equipment is an Xbox. Yes. No, it is. It's one of my favorite pieces of equipment I still use today is a motion sensor toy that I got from Taco Bell when I was like seven years old and it still works. All it is, is a little motion sensor alarm. Yeah. I got it for free in a kid's meal. So it does the job. You know, I don't need to pay 10 grand for some crazy motion sensor set up. So just get creative. You can use just about anything. You can get jingle bells, you know, a Christmas decoration. Put that up somewhere, somewhere that it wouldn't move on its own.

[00:18:44] And the minute you hear them, you know, something touched it, things like that. And the most important thing is too, is you got to look at what information you're looking for. So it's, it's all things that can be environmentally changed. Right. Right. That's the goal. You want to find a way to actually get that environmental change or record it or figure it out. Right. So candles are a big thing. You can use temperature readers, EMF. Uh, the spirit box is, you know, it's, it's an interesting concept, but once again, it's,

[00:19:11] it's just a scanning radio though, or sweeping radio, not scanning. Right. Right. So it's, it's moving at a constant space with a white noise effect in it. And it's supposedly you're going to be able to get messages through it. And it, you know, it's got some like interesting, like history for it too. And it's, it's got some good use, but you don't have to go out and buy a crazy expensive one because they're doing the same thing as the $20 one. So get the hobby one and just work with it. Yeah. Um, but anything that could just be interacted with by simple environmental changes is the tools you need. You don't need to spend thousands of dollars.

[00:19:41] Just, you know, look for that temperature reader, look for the EMF, look for, you know, the way the wax melts on the candle, look for, you know, that broken pocket watch that suddenly like spins off to a weird direction or something, you know, that those are all things that you can potentially use. Compuses, anything. As a ghost hunting device. So do you guys want to tell me about? So if you, is there any like weird experiences that you've had that I don't know, maybe like what, what, what's the ones that have like freaked you out the most? Okay.

[00:20:10] One that freaked me out the most. Okay. So this actually comes from before I was even ghost hunting. This was back when I was just exploring abandoned buildings. And this was probably one of the ones that I was like, oh shit, there's things out there. So I was, there's an old like day camp that we had that was like randomly abandoned. They, it was, it was open years, years and years. And then one summer was just like, everybody left, stopped being used. Pretty weird. So there's still a bunch of stuff there because it just, everyone just left.

[00:20:37] There's still clothes in some of the cabins and the gym equipment still in the gym. And there's, there was medicine still in the infirmary and all this crazy stuff. So a buddy and I used to go there all the time to just kind of pick through and see what other fun treasure we could find. Cause it was also sponsored by Derek Jeter from the Yankees. So there was a whole lot of Yankee memorabilia still scattered throughout the camp in storage units and all this kind of stuff. We would go back and be like, I wonder if we can find more Yankee shit. So we'd been going there during day for months. And finally one night we're like, let's go check it out at night.

[00:21:06] Let's just go see if it's any different. It's freaky. So we go and we had our usual like route that we'd go through. We'd walk through all the cabins and go up to the gym, work our way through the infirmary and the laundry room and come back around and go back to the car and go home. So we go through our normal route, we're going through all the cabins and there's just like a weird vibe that better isn't there in the daytime, but we both chalked it up to just being paranoid cause it's dark and spooky. And we're in this creepy, like, you know, Friday the 13th Halloween feeling thing going on.

[00:21:31] And, uh, we get into the gym and for some reason, all of the equipment was pushed away from the center of the gym. Like where the basketball court is set up, that center ring was cleared out. And that in itself is not anything paranormal, but it just was a little uncanny, a little creepy. And we could both swear that we heard things being moved around behind us as we were walking, like picking our way through all the equipment. You know, we're hearing balls hitting the floor or like some of the, anything else, the

[00:22:01] hockey sticks and baseball bats that are all litter on the floor. We could kind of hear them scraping, like somebody's pushing them out of the way behind us. So you turn around and you're like, what's that? But there's nothing there, but you keep hearing it go. So we, we leave the gym. We go through, you know, the, the camp counselor's office, nothing weird's going on. We get into the infirmary and we split up cause it's a small building. And my buddy goes into the kind of like bedrooms that are there. Like if you were a sick kid, you'd stay in the infirmary and I'm in the like exam rooms.

[00:22:28] And we both had these flashlights that you could unscrew the lens and put it inside of itself like a torch. So you can just light up the whole room really quick. So we unscrew our things, set them up in the room and we're both, you know, exploring doing our thing. Like I'm going through cabinets, looking under the beds, all this kind of fun stuff in the infirmary room, trying to see if there's anything cool that we missed. He's in the other room doing his thing. And all of a sudden I hear him go, dude, that's creepy. Stop. And I'm like, what? He's like, that wasn't you. And I poked my head in the hallway. I'm like, what are you talking about? He pokes his head in the hallway. He goes, I think we need to leave. I'm like, you good? He goes, I'll tell you in the car. I think we need to leave.

[00:22:58] So I'm like, okay. So I grab my flashlight. He grabs his stuff. We dip. We get back. We skip half the camp. We hadn't finished yet. He just beelines into the car. We get in the car. I'm like, you good? He goes, I need a minute. We pull out. We're on the road. We're driving. I'm like, dude, tell me what the hell happened. He goes, well, while I was in there, I was like digging through the closet and I poked my head out and somebody was doing the dog finger puppet eating my shadow. And he goes, and that wasn't you? Yeah. I was like, no, I was in the other room the whole time. He goes, yeah, I don't think I want to go back at night. And we never went back since like at night.

[00:23:27] That's like a horror movie scene. Yeah. Just straight up little, just like you saw the shadow. He said, eating him. And I was like, okay, that's good enough for me. Granted, it could have been a kid, you know, spirit playing. It could have been somebody there just like goofing around, but it still freaked him out enough that I was like, I'm good too. Let's go. Oh yeah. I'd be gone. To be honest with you, I'd have left. You had to just gone myself. Good luck, buddy. I'm out. I was definitely a freaky one.

[00:23:55] I was almost disappointed that I didn't see it. I just had him tell me about it, but I was like, shit, but it was definitely enough. And then we had another one. And this was right after we had started. We went, there's a, there was an insane asylum that has since been dynamited. It was called Overbrook Asylum. And way back in the, what was tuberculosis, I think? The 50s? The consumption. Yeah. The consumption. Way back when tuberculosis was a big problem in America, it was a tuberculosis hospital. And they had built this big sprawling campus and they built a whole bunch of tunnels underneath

[00:24:25] all the buildings so that when patients would die, they could cart them through the tunnels and the town wouldn't see the death rate. They would just see all the people leaving that are healthy now. And tuberculosis gets a vaccine. They start caring people. They don't need the hospital as a hospital anymore. It becomes an insane asylum. But it had some real bad juju and a real bad reputation of doing experiments on the mentally insane and mentally challenged and anybody that got sent there. So they were, you know, they were doing electroshock therapy and they were testing medicines. They were cutting limbs off and sewing them back on and seeing if they still worked.

[00:24:54] All this crazy shit on these poor people. So there's a lot of that energy. I think I've watched a documentary about this place. Probably. They also based a horror movie off the actual asylum. If you've ever seen the Grave Encounters movies, the asylum in that movie, those movies is based off of the out of the of Oliver Brook and the print of that. So we go loaded up to the nines with glow sticks and spray paint to make, you know, markings in the tunnels so we know how to get home. All this crazy stuff we're exploring and we are just wandering the campus trying to get in

[00:25:22] and all the buildings are like boarded shut and we can't figure out how to get in. So one of the guys in the group is this big football player. He's like, I'm just going to pull the door open. I'm like, I'd rather you didn't, but I really want to get inside too. So screw it. So he's I'm keeping watch behind him. The rest of the group's like in the street watching to make sure. And he's just wrenching on this door. And I hear from the inside of the window next to me, something pounding on the window, almost like telling him to stop. And I'm like, dude, this is not the building. He's like, what do you mean? I'll go. Something's hitting this window. I know you don't believe me because you're just here for the abandoned building, but I don't

[00:25:52] want to be in this building anymore. He's like, all right, man. So we keep walking. We find a building that the roof had collapsed and the wall had kind of caved into with it. And you could climb the rubble and get in. We're like, all right, this is it. We're in. And it's like a dorm. So it's just rows of cells, some kind of common area with a broken piano and a fireplace and then more cells. And we're walking up and down the hallway and these cell doors are solid metal, so heavy that you have to put your foot on the wall to pull them open. You got to put your whole body weight in them to get them closed. And we get inside the cells and it's exactly what you expect out of a horror movie.

[00:26:21] There's like bed frames made of like steel with straps on them, dirty mirrors. There's needles on the floor, like weird stains. Like it was freaky. We're exploring, exploring. And we all regroup at the end of the hallway. And of course, I tell everyone, don't read anything you see on the walls out loud. Who knows if it's a seance, you're going to summon some shit like just to be safe. And so we're we regroup and we hear this tapping like somebody with a blind cane coming court toward us. We all just freeze all of our flashlights just like waiting for this thing to get closer. And it keeps tapping, tapping, tapping, and it stops.

[00:26:51] And it doesn't come, whatever it was, doesn't come close enough that the flashlights can reach it. But we hear it like stop. And we stand there all just like waiting like, what is it? It's coming. And then one of those doors again that I told you, full body weight to get these things open, rusted hinges loud, just creaks itself open and creaks itself closed. And all of us went, no. And we dipped right back out. We kept walking. We're going back to the car. And my buddy Chris, he like, he elbows me. He goes, are you seeing shit in the windows? And this whole time I had been, but I was like chalking it up to paranoia.

[00:27:20] I'm like, I want to see something. So I think I'm seeing something. And I'm like, I was like the woman. And he's like in the nurse outfit. I'm like with the long hair. He goes, yeah, we're seeing the same thing. I'm like, that's good enough for me. Let's keep going. Because this woman had been in the like the top row of windows in every building as we walked by, like looking down. And if you looked up at her, she would be like back away, just watching us walk through the campus. And I was like, oh, that's horrible. You saw her too? I was like, I am out of here. We're done. Yeah. That's literally giving me goosebumps. That's fucking nice. Dude, it was so freaky. It's shit like that. Yeah.

[00:27:49] And we wanted to go back so bad and they blew the place up. So we never got to go back. I wonder what happens though, since the place is blown up now. Like what's going on with like the spirits and stuff there. I wonder if it could have been attached to the brick and mortar. Now that it's gone, they don't care anymore and they're gone. Anything that was there might've been just trying to chase people away because they were, you know, they were going through all this horrible stuff and they wanted to save us from the same thing. You know, they don't know that it's not an asylum anymore. It could be a mix or it could be, or they want to get revenge. Like who knows? It could be a mix of the victims and a mix of people that were working there that were

[00:28:18] doing torturous things for people too. Like you have no idea what you're dealing with in a place like that. That's why we wanted to go back with real equipment and try to communicate with some of these things to see if, are you warning us to get out? Are you coming here for harm? Do you want revenge? Like there was a whole bunch that we could have. Do you want to play a game? Yeah. It's gone now. I think they built a housing development on it. So I feel bad for all the people. Oh my God, dude. Imagine moving into that housing development. I should start sending emails out. Like, just so you know, this happened here. Good luck sleeping. That's horrible.

[00:28:47] I don't know what it is. Maybe this is one of me. Maybe this is go back to my little repressed memory theory, but something about people in windows really does like probably freaks me out when I go, I don't, I don't know why. It's just, I don't know. And like, just like one of the worst things that I, one of the worst things I could think for myself is like pulling up on my drive in my house and I know there's nobody in and there's a light on and I can see the shadow of someone in a room. Like, I don't know why to me, to me, that's like one of the worst things I can think of. Yeah.

[00:29:15] So there's, there's a little bit of history behind like a reflective surfaces and that like fear or attachment to the paranormal too. So they used to do like scrying in ancient Rome. I've tried that recently. Yeah. So it started off, they were using water as like the reflective surface to, for like communication and stuff. And then it turned into glass and then as mirrors got better, it turned into mirrors. And it was one of the main focuses for paranormal communication for a long time. And it still is.

[00:29:43] And people still play, we don't want to upset on shadow games, right? So like, you know how people do like the Bloody Mary thing, you know, they go, you know, close themselves in the back, lights off, say Bloody Mary three times. And then she comes out and, you know, gives you tax documents or whatever. Fucking that all of those, like those games are, have an actual basis in some form of like, you know, ancient ritual communication ceremonies. Right. Right.

[00:30:10] So it's very interesting to see like how they're still being incorporated today and how people still have those fears of like, you know, seeing faces in windows or seeing faces in mirrors or reflective surfaces like that, because it's, it's very real. But yeah. And then also with the Bloody Mary thing, I always tell people too, it was like, yeah, you're, you're not summoning Bloody Mary to your, uh, to your bathroom, but there is a, a real form of communication you're attempting there.

[00:30:35] And the biggest thing with, uh, you know, being open, seeing paranormal activity and communicating is that open-minded and that open heart to try to actually reach out. So if you are trying to reach out, uh, you don't necessarily know who you're calling on the phone, right? You're really just making a blank call and whoever picks up, picks up. So yes, you're trying to do some, you know, funny Bloody Mary game with your friends at a sleepover when you're 12.

[00:31:00] So also there is some history of why you might actually be getting, you know, something, something beyond the scientific, the pareidolia and all the other things that your, your brain makes up because it thinks it sees something in the dark, but you are still attempting ritual. Uh, uh, what do you call it? Communications. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that, that, that was like my like first and only experience, only experience with Scry. I might, I might try it again one day, but I don't, well, I probably will because, because

[00:31:29] this was my first time in like, because it was out there, that place I mentioned 30 East Drive, which is obviously the thing. And we've done it upstairs as well, which is where I said, yeah, it felt the fucking weirdest to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was just sat there and I must've been sat there for like five minutes, just like this, just staring at myself in the fucking mirror. Yeah. Yeah. And after like about five, five or six minutes, like my, my, my back was like, felt like it was on fire. Felt like there was a heater behind me. My legs felt like I was sat in a freezer. So that made no fucking sense.

[00:31:58] And then what I saw, whether it, whether it actually happened or not, whether it was just my head, I don't know. Well, I was looking at myself and then my reflection, my eyes looked to the left and then look straight back at me. So I just jumped up. I was like, nope, I'm gone. Shit. Yeah. There's something I wanted to try is you can apparently amplify that effect a little bit with using multiple reflective surfaces. So we were on this, the same episode about shadow games. We were talking about one where this, where you're supposed to set up three mirrors. Yeah.

[00:32:26] Three mirrors to see a doorway. So you have the first mirror facing the doorway, another mirror facing that mirror, the third mirror facing the second mirror. So you stand looking in the third mirror that looks at the second to the first of the doorway. And it's supposed to let you see something in that doorway. Yeah. But there's, there's, I was just doing more research into that and people that do like modern day scrying use a lot of multiple reflective surfaces for, you know, communication purposes. It kind of amplifies it a little bit. So I do want to give it a shot with. Yeah. A bunch of mirrors.

[00:32:57] Three kings and all that. Yeah. And three, yeah. Do all that stuff. It's got to be mostly done at night, low light, probably like candlelight. It's what they said just because the difference in like the flame can help, you know, visuals a little bit. So stuff. Yeah. We'll give it a shot. Yeah. I'll give it a shot. Yeah. It's definitely weird. It's definitely weird. I've, I've heard something like that before with the mirrors, but the one that I, one that I seen was you're supposed to have three around you, like in a triangle and then you sit in, in the middle. That's the three Kings game. Yeah.

[00:33:26] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't do that one. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's I, sometimes I wish I used to live in Pennsylvania. Right. And like the middle of the woods, like it was just like miles of forest and nothingness around me. Um, but I used to go out in the woods at night, you know, just like hanging out, hiking, doing like, and I used to see all kinds of crazy stuff. Like, you know, but it's, it's hard to tell though. It's really hard to tell what you're seeing, which is another reason I got into cryptid.

[00:33:53] So about the other half of our group is doing a cryptozoology, which is a made up science. But if there are cryptozoologists out there, we are definitely fucking them. So, but we go into all these like legends of, you know, like different like animals, monsters, creatures, lizard man, man, all that kind of fun stuff. Things that we did the, uh, the stinky werewolf old stinker old stinker. We did from England. He was there. That one. Yeah. It's like the one werewolf legend in England. I think apparently he's got it.

[00:34:23] He's got, he eats corpses and he's got terrible breath. That's why he got the name. Yeah. He's probably not real. It's actually a terrible fucking story. If you ask me, but watch our video. Cause we make it good. There is another one. It's, it's, it's sort of werewolf based. It's my big dog. Really? The black shook. You'll have to look into that. Black shook. Yep. That's on our schedule. Yeah. We cover everything from all over the world. Again, we try to, we do, we've done stuff like, okay. So there was one in France, the piece of Gévaudon. And that one's wild. Totally real. Has medical records, church records of this monster.

[00:34:53] There is wolf in France eating people. Like it was ripping bodies open, like eating them, decapitating women and children, all this stuff. They had 120 confirmed kills from this thing. Yeah. Something like that. They sent a 20,000 man militia after it trying to hunt this thing down. It was the army. It was the French army, dude. They murdered like all the wolves in the country because they were trying to find it. And the theory is, and then it got shot twice. Two times they killed this thing. With a silver bullet. Yeah. And the second time they killed it, it was gone forever. It hasn't been a problem since.

[00:35:23] The theory is it was like a war dog that someone had bred and kept letting loose. And then that same guy is the one that killed it because he had a hero complex and wanted to be that guy. So he was letting this thing loose. It was eating women and children that he was bringing it home so that no one can find it. And then finally he was like, all right, it's been long enough. Let's shoot this thing. So he let this thing out. He said, we've got a hunting party together and he was the one that popped it. And everyone's like, oh, he's a hero. He's got a statue and all this stuff now in France because he's the one that killed his dog. Fucking hell.

[00:35:53] So stuff like that. Like that has confirmed like records of it. It existed. This was a monster. But then we have stuff like. What was the last one we did that was totally folklore? The pig lady. Oh yeah. The New Jersey pig lady. Yeah. Which is a hundred percent made up story because there's 17 stories just like her and at 17 other states and it's just this scary lady that probably fell out of a building and now she wears a pig head and she chases you down the street with an ax. Crazy because it's one there and there's one in Connecticut.

[00:36:22] There's one in Rhode Island. There's one in Pennsylvania. There's one in Florida. Oh, it's all the same story. It's made up. That was a Halloween story. When we look into legends like this, the first thing we look for is like how far back the history of it goes. And for ones in the U.S., we specifically look for like Native American roots normally. I mean, because the idea that it just suddenly appeared as soon as, you know, people started making colonies here doesn't, you know, unless it came over. Right. Like this monster was on a boat. It doesn't really, you know, add up too well. Right.

[00:36:52] But so we look for a lot of like, you know, we covered like the Wendigo, Skinwalkers we talked about, Thunderbirds. Jinx. Yeah. All kinds of stuff. And we try to find like the original roots of how much history does this thing have? Did it start as a campfire story with a bunch of eighth graders or did it, you know, actually have some type of, you know, roots? Because we dig back into newspaper articles too and all that. So if there are names brought up in the story that don't exist, chances are the thing is not real.

[00:37:21] So there's another story of this. Of course, it's another pig monster. There's a pig man. Oh, Sam. And his name dropped in the story as this kid named Sam Harris that apparently went missing and then came back as the pig man. There is no record of Sam Harris existing in this town, county, or I don't even know if it's in the state. Yeah. Which is really weird because it's a pretty common name. But the fact that this kid doesn't exist at this time period. Wait, what state was that in? Vermont. Vermont. Oh yeah. It's a tiny state. There's probably like three people that live there. Yeah. I mean.

[00:37:48] So the fact that we can go through the records and there is no Sam Harris that went to that high school that they talk about that that went missing, like there's no missing persons report. There's nothing. And if a kid went missing on the night before Halloween, chances are there'd be something about him somewhere. Yeah. A milk carton or something. Yeah. Like there's nothing. Yeah. You gotta dig. You find both sides. You find the real, real, the real, real. You find the real, real. You gotta find the real, real. And that helps you. Yeah. Helps you find the fig. Yeah.

[00:38:17] Well, I was expecting us to go this much down the cryptid route, but I don't have a problem with it. Hell yeah. He got a mention earlier and he, he, he's my favorite. So I want to know what you guys think of Mothman. Mothman is my absolute favorite cryptid. I think he's so cool, but I unfortunately don't think he's real because there's just, there he is. There's just so much discrepancy in the stories. He's got too many different descriptions of them. Sometimes he's got bird wings. Sometimes he's got bat wings. Sometimes he's got moth wings. Sometimes he has a head. Sometimes he has no head.

[00:38:47] Yes. Hell yeah. Yeah. So he's the coolest. He's absolutely the best cryptid, but chances are he's just a cryptid. Well, sometimes he's in Chicago. Yeah. Sometimes he's in Chicago. I don't know, man. It would be cool if he was real. This awesome silver buff moth monster, but the story, all right, look, the story's got a little bit of slight validity to it with the fact that he disappeared the same time the bridge got absolutely demolished. Yeah. Until he started showing up in Chicago. Okay. You have to separate stories though.

[00:39:16] You have to separate stories, right? Yeah. So like we hear the same thing with Bigfoot. Every time you see a Bigfoot sighting that looks real, it's like, oh, that's cool. There's 17 more made up that are going to happen, right? Once a cryptid gets really big, people are going to claim they saw him in, you know, China or fucking Canada or... There's a Japanese mothman too. You know? So look at the base story. Look at the origins of it. I mean, you can take and then take everything else for like a grain of salt. Like we saw with the Grafton monster, right? This one is fake. 100% fake.

[00:39:46] The guy that originally saw it said it was fake, right? So we knew it was bullshit. But after he saw it, made the newspaper article, there was a whole monster hunting craze in the town of Grafton, West Virginia, right? And there were so many sightings of this giant monster that didn't exist. So really, you know, if you have to look at that initial sighting, see how valid it is, dissect it, what evidence do we have? And then everything else after that, you got to, you know, okay. Does it line up?

[00:40:16] Is it just someone looking for their 15 minutes of fame? Is this just a cash grab? Whatever. And especially, this guy came out, what, 50 years later and wrote another article. It was like the rebirth of, or no, the Requiem for a Monster. Requiem for a Monster. It was like the Grafton monster, the craze, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was all made up by this young writer looking to make his name. And I know that for a fact because that young writer is me. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was one scientist. And he straight up was just like, yeah, I made it up to get famous and become a journalist. And everyone just ran with it. Yeah. And that, then it worked.

[00:40:46] And they fucking buried that article. It took you, what, a long time to find it. I had to call the library in Grafton, West Virginia and get them to fax me a copy of it to like, be like, do you have this? Because they buried it to make, to keep the legend alive because they don't want people to know what was a hoax. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. It's still one of my favorite monster stories. Even though it's bullshit. It's like you say, like with the whole Mothman stuff, obviously the original thing, the whole

[00:41:13] where the Point Pleasant and stuff, that's like, there's a really big part of me that wants to believe that. But then. I would love to believe. Like now, I've seen things before where people claim the scene in before 9-11 and stuff. And I'm like, that's just like, that's just a really dark thing to make up. Yeah. Yeah. No, but people will do it. Yeah. I could do it. Yeah. And also the thing too, that before the Mothman legend, what did Point Pleasant have? There was nothing to it.

[00:41:40] It was, it was an old, it was a, it was a, you know, an industrial town. They had factories and they had ammo depots. Yeah. And then Mothman comes along and now suddenly Point Pleasant's on the map. They got museums, they have festivals, they have something to it. So they're, of course, they're going to keep, anytime somebody brings them up, like, yeah, Mothman's real because that's how the town's making money now. They got people coming to show up to see Mothman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's like Roswell, isn't it? Exactly. Yeah.

[00:42:07] Like, there is a part of B that goes down a little conspiracy hole with that. And like, that whole thing was planned because obviously, from what I've reached, it's like, that town was literally on its ass. That place was fucked. And then now you still get visitors now just because of that. Yeah. And it's the same thing. We have a town, actually, Bishopville. Two hours from here, Bishopville. Yeah. They have the Lizardman legend. And this went, when it came out, I think in the 70s, it blew up.

[00:42:37] People in Japan were reading news articles about the Lizardman in Bumblefuck, South Carolina. But that's all the town's got going for it. It is literally just a swamp town. There's nothing else. There's fucking nothing there. But every year they have this giant Lizardman festival. And that Lizardman festival is one of the best things we've done as DNR because it's just, it's huge. There's so many people there. There's so many vendors. There's so many things going on. Everybody in the town that has a car is part of the parade. And I'm fucking awesome. I am thoroughly convinced that all the money they make from that festival is the only thing

[00:43:07] keeping that town as a town for the rest of the year. It's a great fucking festival. It's great. If you ever wind up in Bishopville, South Carolina, in the middle of June, the hottest month of the year when it's like 110 degrees out, go to the Lizardman. Stop. That place, it's a good time, man. But it's for sure. Do I believe there's something down here in the swamp? Probably. I don't think it's a lizard though because there's too much. So the story of the Lizardman, this is my favorite thing. This kid was driving home from work and his car broke down next to this lima bean field.

[00:43:36] And he's fixing his car and he turns and in the lima bean field, he sees coming at him this seven foot tall, scaly monster with glowing red eyes just running at him. So he hops in his car, peels out of there and gets away. He passes polygraph tests and all this kind of stuff because he is so convinced he saw this Lizardman monster thing. And then after that, there's all these sightings of some kind of hairy thing running across the road and attacking people's cars and all that. I don't know about you, but hairy lizard doesn't really line up.

[00:44:06] But the kicker of all of this, the same night in that same spot, that kid's car broke down, the owner of the lima bean field. Lester. No, it was Lester. No, it wasn't. I rewatched our episode. It's something else. Leroy. Leroy. He is sleeping in his shed because people would steal his air conditioning units. So he decided he's going to put them all in his shed and sleep in there with them. Now this dude is nearly seven foot tall. Yeah, he is six foot eight. This man wears thick Coke bottle glasses and he's wrapped up in a burlap blanket.

[00:44:36] And he hears his car pull up next to his field, goes, who the hell is here to steal my shit and tears ass across the field. He's protected his air conditioners. This is his livelihood, man. Here you go. You've got an almost seven foot tall man wrapped up in burlap, which kind of looks scaly in the dark. Wearing thick glass. Giant glasses. And tail lights and glasses create a red glow. Here's your seven foot tall scaly red eyed monster coming at you across the field. So dude did see lizard man. And he was like, yeah, I saw the fucking lizard man. He was there.

[00:45:06] It turned out to be Leroy. It turned out to be Leroy. So I think that maybe these hairy monster sightings and this lizard man sightings are two different things. Clearly the lizard man sighting was this farmer, but all these hairy monster things. We have something in the South here called a skunk ape, which is just another kind of Bigfoot. If there's anything in that swamp that's running around, it's probably something like that. Do I know for sure? Absolutely not. Have we been there yet? No. We already got monsters in the swamp though. Alligators are terrifying. They shouldn't exist, man. They're pretty cool though. They're dinosaurs. They are dinosaurs.

[00:45:35] But yeah, we have alligators. Those things are, you know, they can run like fucking like 15 miles an hour or some shit. Yeah, but if you zigzag, they can't catch it. Yeah. Still though. I don't want to fuck with no dinosaurs. That's the miracle. Why are they still alive? The fuck? They should have died with the Trinosaurus Rex and all that other shit. Yeah, but it's like apparently how birds are, aren't they? There's no way the hell of a pigeon was fucking, was coming from a fucking dinosaur. Oh yeah, birds are dinosaurs. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. If you look it up, birds are technically dinosaurs on Google. That's bullshit.

[00:46:02] It's like the chicken and the T-Rex are like one line of DNA apart. Yeah. But that's the thing. And that even goes back into the find the sources and the real stories and all that. They chalk everything up to the Lizard Man. But when you look at, it takes like five seconds of critical thinking to go, why is the furry thing also Lizard Man? Why are, you know, when they see a car get destroyed and they pick pieces of fur and blood off of it and they go, oh, this is, this is fox fur and canine blood. Oh, why is it the Lizard Man? I don't know.

[00:46:30] Everyone knows there can't be two monsters in the town, dude. Gotta have, gotta pick one. No, no, no. You gotta pick one. Gotta pick some health man's a sheep squatch, man. Yeah. They'd probably fight over territory if they both existed. Well, that's like over here with the fucking Loch Ness monster, which personally, I don't believe in. But like, I mean, you get stories. Well, Star Trek took him. You get, you get stories on that, on the size of that. And then people are supposed to have seen that fucking thing on land and stuff on the side of roads and stuff. And I'm just like, yeah. No, you haven't. Right.

[00:47:00] Yeah, you fucking did it. There's, there's, there's plenty, there's plenty out there that I believe in, plenty out there I want to believe in. And then there's plenty out there that just, the, the, the evidence is just not there. And I, I use the same argument. I have two arguments for the existence of the cryptids. One is Bigfoot. Bigfoot has been spotted in almost every country on almost every continent by cultures that don't even communicate since the ancient times. To me, that gives him some validity.

[00:47:26] The fact that, you know, you have the Yeti in Nepal and you have the Yaoi in Australia and you have the Sasquatch in, in America. And I forget the name of the South American version that the Incas and the Aztecs have, but there is this. They have the Mapangori. There's the Mapangori in Brazil. Like there's this giant hairy humanoid all over the world with pretty similar descriptions from, again, cultures that have not communicated, that have been around forever. Even the Mesopotamians had a hairy man kind of legend. So we just haven't found him yet. And people say, why haven't we found him yet? Modern day.

[00:47:56] But we just discovered another lion or another giant cat in Spain, like a year ago, not even that they just were like, oh, there's this cat living in the mountains that we've never seen before. And here it is. So, and Spain isn't that big of a place. Exactly. Oh, yeah. So, so maybe he's out there. And the other argument I have is the platypus argument. I don't know how much you know about platypus. That thing was a fucking experiment. That thing is a biological nightmare. So let's just run through some great, some of the greatest hits of the platypus. It's got venomous feet.

[00:48:24] It has no nipples and it sweats milk. The thing has no stomach. It goes from esophagus to frigging intestines. The thing sees with electricity with its eyes closed. It glows in the dark under black lights. What am I missing? Oh, it's got two penises in its own butt. Like Bill's made of rubber. Bill is made of rubber. It's got no teeth. It's got grinding plates that it uses soil to eat its food with. Like this thing makes, and it lays eggs. This thing makes no biological sense. And it exists. And the giant monkey man seen all over the world can't.

[00:48:50] They actually sent bodies of the platypus to London. They thought it was a hoax, didn't they? Yeah. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was just a terrible fucking taxidermy prank they were pulling on them. My favorite thing is the fact that, like you said, that it lays eggs and produces milk so it could make its own custard. Yeah. Hell yeah. There you go. So we have to. The platypus exists. It physically does. We have them in zoos. People have seen them. And they're also tiny. I didn't know how small they were. But that exists.

[00:49:18] And something just as simple as just another, it could be more like the missing link for all we know between apes and humans or whatever. It could be another great ape species that we just haven't discovered. Or it could be another, you know, ancient humanoid that is still survived. You know, the way that Neanderthals and Homo erectus and all these things, we had all these different human species. It could be another one that just didn't evolve in the same direction as us. And it's just out there. And it's thing if it's as intelligent as it's more than aliens. Who knows?

[00:49:45] But if it's as intelligent as it's supposed to be, I would avoid people too. So. Yeah, we suck. And there's so many animals that we do know exist now that were considered cryptids for how long? Things like the silverback gorilla nobody believed existed. The colossal squid nobody believed existed. Man-o-war jellyfish nobody believed existed. The friggin' what's the thing in the, in the, in the, in like India, the terrapin? The one that looks like an elephant? The zebra? Oh yeah. Right? Things like this that exist that nobody believed for centuries.

[00:50:15] Decades at least. Yeah. Who's to say? Well, I mean, it's just animals in general. Cats don't make sense to me. Yeah. Your average house cat is like, I don't, I don't like to use lions because they're, to me, they're a bad example because they don't, they don't look like cats because they've got the big fucking mains and everything. But like, I've got two cats and one of them, like, if the fucker was like orange, it would look like a miniature fucking tiger. And I'm like, how is that fucking possible? But then only like, like the small ones have fucking slanted pupils and stuff.

[00:50:45] Why? Yeah. Where the fuck has that come from? Yeah. Where is it coming from? Yeah. You know, cats are also like the most successful hunters on the planet too. They have a fucking kill rate. My garden looks like a fucking killing field. Yeah. Yeah. And it's wild because it's, it's house cats are the most successful hunters, not cats in general. House cats. They have a more, they have a higher kill rate than lions. It's like 80% of the time they go out to kill shit, they kill shit. Like birds. Mine fucking brings back about four, four a night. Yeah. They're, they're one of the only other species that just kills for fun too.

[00:51:15] They don't, they don't, they're not doing it for the food. They're doing it because they want to kill a bird. Yeah. They want it. They just want to see it die. Yeah. Cause I, I hear loads of, loads, loads, loads. I've heard loads of theories on this. The one that annoys me the most is, is that it's them bringing you a present. Fuck off. No. They're bringing me a fucking present. He's just reminding you, if you were the size of a mouse, he would kill you in a second. That's what they do though. Don't they? It's been, it's been known like for people to die in houses and like the cats be trapped.

[00:51:45] They know of them for days and they'll just start eating them. Yeah. Start eating them. Yeah. Use food. Exactly. Another thing, another thing that I heard as well is why they bring like dead mice and dead birds and stuff back is because they think they're showing you how to hunt and stuff. And I was just like, yeah, who comes up with this shit? Yeah. I don't fuck. They do it because they want to. Yeah. No, cryptozoologists come up with that shit. That's us. Real scientists. Love it. Good.

[00:52:15] Right. Like I said, we spent a lot of time on cryptozoologists. I wasn't expecting, but I enjoyed that. But just to jump a little bit back to the paranormal. And so you guys as a team, have you had any really weird experiences altogether then? Altogether then. I don't think you and I have had anything crazy yet between the two of us. No, but we will on Saturday probably. This fucking gun story. So we've done. So this was before Charlie joined the team. We had one, we had a client. He's actually, he was actually our first client. My friend back home. He was an oddities collector.

[00:52:44] His house looks like a museum. I've been begging him to open up a museum for all the stuff that he's collected. And he's got this ventriloquist dummy that is actually our logo. So if you see DNR, it's on our hat. Why shit? All that kind of fuck. Yeah. Right there. He's got it right there. That's Danny. He's had this ventriloquist dummy. It was like one of the first things he's got when we started DNR, he was like, can you come to my house and talk to my stuff and see if anything's haunted? He's like, I definitely want to know if the dummy's got a life to it. Like any of this kind of stuff. Well, sure. So me and our third guy, Chris, that we have left in your shed now, go,

[00:53:14] we set up all our equipment and we talked to, he had a grave marker from England. He had a piece of a house that was like, it was a piece of a gutter from a house that, that like burned down and it had melted that he like etched the woman's name that died in the fire in it. And all this kind of stuff was like a little memorial. And we talked to his dummy and the dummy specifically was coming through to us and telling us like, he's happy living with my friend. He's the first person that doesn't treat him like a haunted object that he

[00:53:42] actually like respects him. We asked him if he was like, does he like his name? He's like, yeah, you can call me Danny essentially. And then to, to further like get a little bit more proof that he was communicating to us, we asked him messages and things. So he told us to tell my friend to stop and think. And unbeknownst to me and Chris at the time, my friend that day had gotten tattooed across his thumbs, stop and think. And so immediately we're like, Hey, you know, Danny wants you to stop and think. And he just immediately goes and shows us the tattoos.

[00:54:12] And I went, when did you get those? He goes, this morning. And then we're like, yeah, it was wild. And then I was like, do you have any messages for his girlfriend? And he goes, the message that came through was slow down and breathe. And that's something he tells her all the time because she gets anxious and then gets amped up. And then she does, she starts trying to fly through whatever tax she's doing and messes things up. And then he's always like, stop, breathe, try again, all that kind of stuff. So again, I didn't know this. I tell him that he immediately texts her and says, Danny said, stop and breathe.

[00:54:41] And she comes back all cast. Don't tell me this yet. I don't want to know it's a lie. Fuck you. This is wild. Like, so, but again, he came through with us. So we're saying like, I like, I feel at home here. I feel protected here. I feel loved here. Like he's happy in that house. So now he's lying. He's eating their souls. He's chilling. So my buddy, my buddy goes out of his way. My buddy ever since has gone out of his way. He got him, he got like a dollhouse chair for him. So now Danny has a seat in the living room. He got him a dog.

[00:55:09] So he has this little pug toy that he sits with all the time. And he said the house has been pretty, pretty quiet and comfortable ever since he's like, he's never been weird, but it seems like the energy in the house has gotten even nicer since he's been treating Danny almost like a kid. So now anytime we do anything with our logo or anything with Danny, I send it to him. I'm like, Hey, is Danny approve of this? He's like, I think Danny would be fine with it. I'm like, cool. We're going to keep doing it. I just said it was my experiences. Burn it and bury the asses. Danny's dead. And then we had another one.

[00:55:39] This one was freaky. We had a case. It was this apartment building above a bar and the bar had been known to be haunted. It was this old, it was in this mining town and it was a big bar for the miners. They'd come off shift. They'd be there. They'd be drinking and go home. And people would always see them there. Well, until you know, the two thousands where they would, they would see these people in mining office being in the bar. And they'd like, look away. They turn back and they're gone on the cameras. You'd see people. And then you'd go back into the barn. There's nobody there. Things like that. So the bar closed down,

[00:56:07] but the apartment buildings were still open for a little while. And I had regulars at the bar I was bartending at that lived there. And they were like, Hey, will you come check out the apartment? Because this seems to happen and all this kind of crazy stuff. And there's a specific ghost that seems to come through. And every time he goes through, there's, there's four apartment building apartments in the building. And it seems that when he shows up systematically, every single apartment, the couples in him would fight. So the first, like the top right apartment, they'd get into a huge blog fight. And just as they make up, the people next to them would get a huge blog fight. And then just as they make up, the people down here were getting a huge blog fight.

[00:56:37] Then they'd make up and they'd get in a fight. And then they'd make up and everyone would be happy. Then he would show up again a couple months later and the same fight, fight, fight, fight. So they're like, we want to know what's going on. So Chris and I show up and we sit in the backyard with the one couple that lives there. And they're telling us, you know, we see this on our cameras. This happens in the one bed, like the light in the bathroom will turn itself on when no one's home and change colors. They see on the cameras smoke. They see on the cameras, there's a light under the tarp of their pop-up that'll light up and flash and all this weird stuff. So we set to work.

[00:57:06] We were watching the camera with them and you see, we're sitting under that tarp and in the camera, we can see the lights flashing and we're sitting there. So I'm looking up. I'm like, there's no lights here, but on the camera, I'm watching the lights and we're watching myself go. Nothing's happening. What's going on? We see the bathroom light turned itself on and off over there. And we're with the people that live in that apartment and no one's in that bathroom. And that light's going on and off. And we're like, this is freaking weird. So Chris goes inside with the spirit box and the couple. I stay out in the yard with my thermometer, my EMF. I'm taking readings and,

[00:57:36] I get coming through these two kids and they're telling me that they're scared. They don't know where they are. They don't know how to get home. I asked them if there's anyone there with them. They said there is, but they're afraid of him. And then I lose them. They won't, they don't talk to me anymore. Chris is inside with the spirit box. And all of a sudden he calls to me from the kitchen. He's like, dude, get in here. I get inside. And our spirit box is one of those radio sweepers. It pulls through. And you know, you ask questions and it finds the radio frequency it needs and pulls a word out. It's not one of the high end quote unquote ones that just talk.

[00:58:06] High end. Again, quote unquote, it's not one of the ones that talk. It goes through the radio. You hear that. Right. So it doesn't have the capacity to make noises that aren't on the radio. Right. There's no way for it to speak clearly or anything like that. It was chanting. I've never heard a spirit box like this chant before. It was a rhythmic, guttural, almost demonic sounding. Like I can't even replicate it. Just very constant kind of thing that shouldn't be coming out of that box because of what it does.

[00:58:34] It is meant to scan radios. And there's no, not only is there no radio frequency making that sound, would have jumped out of it and kept going. So it wouldn't be doing this unless something is manipulating it. And I go, I immediately like turn that off. That's something that's not supposed to be here. So he cuts the frequency and immediately we said about like the, you're not allowed in here. You need to leave. Don't follow anybody home. Please stay outside the boundaries of the home. Like we're doing everything we can, all the commands that we can asserting as much dominance and power over whatever it is there to

[00:59:04] just be like, dude, leave this family alone. You know, we're sorry we stirred you up because you're not supposed to be here kind of thing. And after we like, we kind of feel the energy start to dissipate a little bit. Everyone feels a little safer in the home. I'm like, all right, we've done our side. Tell us what you guys know about the spirits, it's not just what's going on because when we do investigations, we try to know we're cool with knowing the actions. We want to know, Oh, we see someone in this window or this light turns on or whatever, but we don't want to know why we don't want names. We don't want research. We don't want faces because that you get a preconceived notion of what to look for. Right? If I,

[00:59:33] if you tell me, well, there's a guy named Jimmy that comes around all the time and then I'm listening for the spirit box. I'm going to listen for Jimmy. Whereas if you don't tell me anything and I'm listening to the spirit box and I hear Jimmy, I go, Hey, does Jimmy mean anything to you? And you go, Oh, that's the guy that keeps coming by. So it's a little more honest that way. Right? So they pull out this binder because they had been doing research for as long as they've lived there and slam it on the table. The first half is who we think is in the house. And the second half is who we think is in the backyard.

[00:59:59] First half of who they think is coming to the house was the case of an ax murderer that was living in the town over killing people there. And they hung them in the town where this house was. And they're pretty convinced he's the one that's coming through with his battle, like bad juju and making everybody fight. And then the, the people that I think of the backyard, there's a brother and sister that went missing in the forties. They got kidnapped on that road and they were children. And all lines up with me outside talking to two kids that are scared. And the second guy that they're, the other guy that they're there with,

[01:00:27] that they're afraid of was probably who's ever haunting the house. So it was super, super, super dark and, you know, twisted and screwed up. And we were like, all right, we're going to come back. We're going to do more research. We're going to try and get this guy out of here. We're going to try and get these kids home. So we weren't able to go back. So we're just hoping that the attachment that they both had there was dissipated enough that they were gone because we were not able to help. But it was definitely one of the most like dreadful feelings. Yeah. Yeah. It was horrific.

[01:00:57] Yeah. So don't be an axe murderer or else you'll be stuck as a ghost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was bad, bad, bad feelings. And well, I don't usually finish like this, but like really bad, really bad feelings. I'll tell you as a quick story. And I don't mind telling this because I haven't told this on here for a while. So hopefully there'll be people listening who haven't actually heard this. So my old co-host, Billy, so like I say, he was, he was the one who, he's the reason we started all of this. And he's the reason that I got into doing investigations and stuff.

[01:01:24] And the first investigation we ever did together was in the woods. That is literally about 300 yards from my front door. I say woods. For you guys, it's probably, it's probably a fucking garden. It's only about acres. It's a very small woodland. Oh yeah. Okay. But there's some really dark shit that has happened there. Like there's been multiple people who've took their own lives there. It was like two, two pensioners, two blokes who were like in the sixties, like murdered a fucking dog in there and buried it while it was still half alive. Really.

[01:01:55] Yeah. And then the worst one, I think it was in 2002 or 2004, a group of teenagers who were in there, probably smoking weed and drinking, found a dead baby in a bin bag. Jeez. Oh, jeez. Yeah. And like I said, this is a really small woodland and there's a lot of fucking dark shit that has happened in there. Yeah. There's an old abandoned house there, which I believe was like a caretaker's house. And then there's an old abandoned hospital. And then there is an old stable area. Me and Billy, obviously like we, we grew up there. So in that, in our heads,

[01:02:24] like we could walk around there with our eyes shut. Right. Yeah. Like should be able to. So we started at the house. We were getting some weird shit going on there. Well, Billy, he'd, he'd, he'd investigated that before. And he was like,

[01:03:04] no, if I let him stand on me, we could have got over it. Cause Billy's about five foot six and I'm like six foot three. So it would have been funny. And, but I'm like, I can now have many stones. So there's no way I'd have got over it. So we're like, right. We can't, we can't do that. Fuck that. So we're like, right, we'll go, we'll go to the stables then. So we walked, which still to this day, we are both adamant was the way we should have walked. And what I'll tell you, what I'll tell you next doesn't make sense anyway. So we walked around, couldn't find a stable, but we just carried on walking around. We were like, like surely we can't be fucking lost.

[01:03:34] We've done this however many times. And then we come back to the house where we started, but the way we walked, we should have come out on the other side. We come out, we come on the side where we came into the woodland area. We should have ended up on the other side of the house. Right. So you did like a, fucking, huh. Yeah. And like, we got back there and like, it's on the video. It's on our YouTube channel. Like I said, I say, Billy, we're back at that house. And he's that confused. He literally says to me, what house? Like there's only one fucking house here, dickhead.

[01:04:04] Yeah. What house? Yeah. This is just, this is turning into the fucking Blair witch. Now I do not fucking like this. Y'all are in a time loop. That's the, honestly, it was like for, like I said, for my first investigation, we were only there for about an hour. Cause I started feeling horrific and I was like, right, I want out. Yeah. This will do for me first one. I'm good with this. Like that was a horrendous fucking feeling. Yeah. Man. We got to go to England. That was awful.

[01:04:35] Yeah. There's a lot more built up history in England than the U S. Well, I mean, there's, there's history in the, like a lot of like, you know, like native American history and you know, but we, we've got pubs that are older than your entire country. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. You guys got buildings from like, you know, like fucking, you know, hundreds of years ago and shit. I can go to a bar that's been there for 300 years in fucking England. And every single one of them is haunted. I promise you. Oh,

[01:05:05] I'm sure that much fucking history, you know, there's bound to have been something that happened where somebody stuck there and attached to that building for, you know, the rest of their life. If you want, okay. If you want to end on a more wholesome story, that's not bad feelings. Go for it. So this was, it's not even an official investigation. This is kind of like my own personal, we had started DNR, but I just kind of like did my own research on this one. Cause we never had a chance to really get in on this one. I was bartending at this bar. That had been a building in town for,

[01:05:33] since the advent of cars in America, this police used to be a gas station. Then it became a corner store. It was when I was working for Janine used to be a corner store. Then it became an ice cream parlor and a liquor store. And then it was a bar, a bar, a bar, a bar, a bar, So the, the last iteration when I worked there, they had bought it from the previous owners and it had been closed for about what? Five, six years before they reopened it. Maybe 10. Oh, it's doing dollies. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's probably closed for like 10 years. Maybe, maybe no, maybe probably less, maybe, maybe five years, but it,

[01:06:03] uh, the old owner's son ended up ODing when it was the bar previous at the bar, died on the, on the bar, on the corner. I thought you said wholesome. I know I said wholesome. It starts. I was about to say, it gets wholesome. So he passed away. He was, he was in his thirties and he passed away on the bar and everyone knew him as a drunk. So they just assumed he had passed out. So nobody bothered him. Nobody checked on him. They were just like, Oh, there he is. He's out cold again, Bobby. So they didn't bother him. They just kind of let him be there. And then finally they realized he was, you know, and they were like, Oh shit.

[01:06:32] So fast forward to the future. I'm bartending there and I'm working one day. I'm writing the beer that we have up on the one board. And it's kind of reflective. I have one customer in the whole, in the bar hanging out with me and I'm chatting with him over my shoulder and I'm writing, I'm chatting again. And I go to write again and I swear I see another person in the bar standing at the end of the bar watching the TV. So I turn around and I'm like, Oh, hi, I didn't even see you. There's nobody there. And my customer's like, who are you talking to? I was like, I swear I saw somebody hanging out. He's like, it's just you and me here, but who'd you see? I'm like, Oh, I saw someone, probably a young man,

[01:07:02] like wearing a red flannel watching TV. He goes, Oh, I wonder if it's Bobby. Like just kind of like poking fun. And then again, I didn't know the story yet. So I'm like, Oh, who's Bobby? Tells me the whole story of Bobby dying in the bar and all that kind of stuff. And he's like, kind of matches your description. I'm like, interesting. Okay. Didn't really think too much of it, but then weird shit started happening. I would notice that the, the cue ball for the pool table would be in the pool table. When I go downstairs, I come back out and it'd be on top of the table. It'd be nobody in the bar or I'd be opening the bar up and I haven't turned a jukebox on yet, but I would go clean something and get it ready. And the jukebox would turn itself on and start playing music.

[01:07:32] I would hear people walking around in the bar when I was in the basement in the liquor room or putting money away or something. I would constantly around the same time, every couple of nights, there would be the sound of somebody falling in the corner and be like, who the hell is there? And other people would be in the bar and hear it too. And we'd all look and there'd be nobody there. And it just got more and more activity. The lights and the bathrooms would turn themselves on and off when nobody was there. Crazy shit. And then one night, finally, it was a Sunday night. We were going to be closed that Monday. So I decided to clean the bar like real deep. I'm in there until almost 4am.

[01:08:02] Sweeping, mopping, washing walls, all this kind of stuff. And I finally go to close and I walk around the wall to where the light switches. And I freeze because they're at the same spot. The first time I see this man with his back to me, leaning on the floor, watching the TV, red flannel, hanging out. And I just reach around, hit the lights and back out of the building. Just nope. Turn off everything, close and leave. So I text my boss. I'm like, Hey, check the cameras. This is the time I saw something. Let me know if there's anything there. Not even 10 minutes later, she texts me back. She goes, saw it. I'll show you in the morning. I'm like, Oh shit.

[01:08:32] So I get there the next day and she's there before I'm even open. She's waiting for me. She's like sitting in the bar stool. She's like, check this out, check this out. She pulls up the security camera of the time. And you see me walk around the corner of the bar to turn off the lights and freeze. And then that camera that's facing me from that corner. Where the guy was standing. You don't see him, but it gets all fuzzy, like distorted. And then you can see in the distortion, me start to back away. The camera gets clear. And there's a white orb that shoots across from that camera to the camera in the next corner that you're seeing my back from. And as I back away,

[01:09:02] that starts to get distorted. And as I start to get out of that camera's focus, the light, the same war comes in, the camera gets clear and it shoots to the next corner. And this thing literally follows me and watches me leave the bar. Every camera gets distorted until I walk out of frame and it moves. Distorted until I walk out of frame and move until I get outside. And I tell her who I saw. I tell her what happened. I tell her what's been going on. She goes, I'm a hundred percent sure it's Bobby just making himself known. She's like, he doesn't throw anything at you or do anything weird. Right. I'm like, no, he just turns on jukebox. Somebody's falling. I don't know if it's him. He turns on the light to the bathroom, plays with the cue ball.

[01:09:32] Like nothing crazy. He's not throwing glasses at me or anything. She goes, I think Bobby's just hanging out and he wants us to know he's here. So from that day on, every time I would open and close the bar and say, Hey Bobby, I'm here. Things would be quiet. I tell him I'm leaving. Like, Hey Bobby, I'm leaving. Leave. The only other thing that would happen every once in a while, he'd turn on a bathroom light and I'd go, Hey Bobby. And it would light to turn back off. And it was just him. It's hanging out here. It was pretty wild. Yeah. That is crazy. Well, that, that, that started off really dark. It does get a little bit wholesome. So fair play. Every ghost story is going to have a death in it.

[01:10:01] It's going to be a little dark at the beginning. Yeah. It ended up being pretty cool. Starts off with someone dying. He was like my bar buddy. I never felt alone in the bar after that, which was kind of cool. I just always knew Bobby was hanging out. Nice. Nice. I like it. I like it. Right then gentlemen. So just before we finish, do you want to let our listeners know where they can find you, what you've got coming up? You can find us on every social media, except for X. We haven't figured that one out yet, but we're on Facebook. We're on Instagram. Don't bother. Yeah. TikTok, YouTube. We're on Apple podcast, Spotify, Amazon podcast, all that kind of fun stuff. Just search DNR paranormal.

[01:10:31] Sometimes with a space, sometimes with an underscore, but if you type in DNR paranormal, we'll show up. We have a store on fourth wall. If you want cool merch, we've got hats and shirts and everything, all that kind of fun stuff. As far as stuff coming up, we've got a ghost investigation coming up this weekend that we're going to be putting a video out of as soon as we have all of our stuff together. We've got, if you're in America, we've got three festivals we're going to be at coming up this year. One's going to be up in New York. One's going to be here down in South Carolina. One's going to be in North Carolina. So just follow all over. If you're in the East coast of America, East coast of America,

[01:11:00] that should feel like traveling. Unless you want to do a 36 hour drive. We're on, we're on discord. Same thing. DNR paranormal, we chat there. It's the easiest place to find any kind of news about what's going on. We take requests and all that kind of stuff for our podcasts. We go live on Twitch every Tuesday night with another cryptid. So that's the cool. That's the most raw form of us. We talk to you guys as viewers and we, we Twitch, Facebook and YouTube. We're live on, but do Twitch. We make more money off. Yeah. Like I said,

[01:11:29] just search our name and you'll find us just about everywhere. Yeah. Nice. Nice. I like it. Right then. Well, thank you for joining me. It's been an absolute pleasure speaking to the pair of you. So yeah, thank you. Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Thanks for seeing it. Not a problem. Next time. Right then guys. So that is it for this one. So as always go and follow our Instagram page at the Spooky Shed Podcast. There's a link in the bio there for all of us. We still don't use, but the YouTube channels there, merch store and all that other shit that I forget to mention. So yeah. Right. We shall speak to you next time. Peace.

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