Unveiling the Paranormal: Big T's Journey into the Unknown

[00:00:10] Right then guys, welcome back into The Spooky Shed, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary and of course spooky. Got a brilliant guest with me today, so we have got Tony, also known as Big T. So Tony welcome to The Shed mate. Are we good? After the day I've had, I'm good now, I'll get sitting on tour to you. And it's only 20 past 11 mate, it can only get better. The day is still young mate. Oh God, happy days. Right then mate.

[00:00:40] So, I prepped you, I always get my guests to leave something in the shed, like I say, it's purely hyperfetal, it can be anything you want, a person, a place, a feeling, a thing, literally anything you want. To give you a quick example of other things people have left in here. So I've got a PlayStation of somebody, I've got guitars, I've got a plug that somebody said they want to leave in here. A Lamborghini. Sadly not. So what are we leaving in here mate? What are you giving us?

[00:01:08] I'm going to do something special for you. I've got some custom made kit, and I'm going to get it sent down to you. Actually, literally, I'm not going to do it hypothetically, I'm actually going to get you some custom kit sent to you. Oh, what a legend, what a legend. So you'll be officially the first person who's actually physically left something in here then. Really? Yeah, so bonus points for you. I'll tell you what, a little bit unprofessional, but I can show you some now, I've got a garage full of it. Go for it, go for it. I mean, we'll get into that.

[00:01:37] I don't think I've ever done a mobile podcast before, but different. This is new for me as well. Give me two seconds. So what I've got is, is one of these that I'll send to you. It is the sound and vibration pepper. Nice. So any noise that's picked up, it pulsates. So any footsteps, any noises, anybody that talks, great paranormal investigations. I've got that actually sent down to you.

[00:02:07] Legend, mate. Legend. Right then. Right, so let's jump into it then, mate. So I always like to start at the beginning with people. So talk to me about where your love, interest, obsession into the paranormal. Where does it all start for you? Where does it all start? Well, as an adult, it's because I've got a sick fascination with fear. As a kid, I used to have imaginary friends. Not what I thought was imaginary anyway.

[00:02:38] There was a little boy and a little girl. Used to sleep quite often. So I used to play with them. I would see them as playing as day, as if we're talking right now. And they would tell me there was going to be this fire from the roof, like from the ceiling in my room. I told my parents about it. They just thought I was just being a kid. Stop it. I thought I was just being like a kid, like imaginary friend sort of thing. Didn't think much of it. My uncle actually went up into the loft.

[00:03:06] And I can't remember the exact same boat, but there was some spargan wires of some sort that was actually slow burning along one of the beams and it was about to catch fire. Rucking out. My mother was in my room and she literally shouted up. She's like, David, David. She's like, can you knock on the roof where that was? And she got me to point. I was pointing where it was. He was bashing on the roof where he said the fire was about to start from. And it was literally where the kids told me where it was going to happen. So that's what started us off. I think like, it's not something that I ever forgot.

[00:03:35] Like, I was just a kid myself. I was only like five or six years old. Typical age. Honestly, I can remember them now, like plain as they. But like after that, they literally just disappear. Like gone. So they're almost there basically as a warning for you then? I would think so. Yeah. So like at first, this might sound stupid,

[00:04:02] but at first did you just think they were just actual people then? Or did you realize that somehow that they were like spirits, ghosts, whatever you want to call them? To me, they were just normal people. Yeah. So did you have like some sort of realization then that they weren't? And what was that like? Or can you not remember? It was mainly because in our kids being kids, I thought they were just like somebody's friend

[00:04:29] that had brought the kids around to the house. Like the, but then I realized that they never changed their clothes. Yeah. And that, that's, that's, that's, I know that's a weird thing to say, but it wasn't just like a few days these kids were here for. It was like months. Hmm. And I remember it playing as they, I can't, can't remember their names though, but I can remember what they looked like. But that's what started to strike me.

[00:04:58] It's a bit odd, like a couple of weeks in, they didn't, the clothes had never changed. The, their appearance hadn't changed at all. It was just, it was very, very odd. Yeah. Yeah. The, when I was asking them about it, there was always like a, I remember them like literally avoiding the question. Hmm. Now I, I'm not a medium and I'm not like, I don't see anything or anything like that. And I don't ever claim to. Um, but they do say kids are a little bit more switched on, don't they? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:28] Yeah. Well, I guess I'd say that, that, that, that's why as soon as you said you were about five or six, I was like, yeah, make sense. Cause literally everybody I speak to, that's the age when, when stuff like that happens. Well, or, or, well, the age that people can remember stuff. Cause that was exactly the same. That was exactly the same as me for when I used to sit in my bedroom and have full on conversations with people that weren't there. Well, that's just it. Where does the line stop between like spirit or ghost, whatever you want to call it and imaginary friend? Exactly.

[00:05:57] No, obviously there will be some kids that have got these like mental imaginary friends where they've got like unicorns or like, you know, like all that sort of stuff. Like drop dead Fred shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, what was that? Um, that from inside out. Yeah. They've got like, you've got kids. You would have seen that where they've got like that's that kid where they've got the rocket ship and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, but like when it's, when you're physically seeing people now it's, it's not always kids. I can't see that.

[00:06:23] They have conversations with adults and the stuff that you showed me the other day. Jesus Christ. Like, I don't know. I've got a theory behind it though. Go on then. So I think we're all born with this skillset or this certain ability that's, that's open up. And it's society that closes it down. Yeah, definitely. We're constantly getting told to get our head out the clouds.

[00:06:52] We're constantly getting told that, uh, to stop daydreaming. It's like, don't do this. Don't do that. Don't do the other. I think eventually everything just compacts and just shuts everything out just so we can conform with the norm really. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, it's like you said, it's like, say, where do you, where do you, how, can't speak. How does somebody know the difference between spirit, ghost and actual imaginary friend?

[00:07:20] I mean, like you say, obviously, obviously there in some instances, yes, of course. But like I say, if, if my son, when he's older and he starts talking and stuff and he like, he's telling me about his imaginary friend and stuff and like, he's just describing a person. He's not saying like, oh, he's got, he's got two heads, seven legs and everything. And then I'll be like, that, that, it'd be less weird if he's telling me that, you know, it's someone with two heads and seven legs. If he's just telling me it's just a normal kid or person, whoever he's speaking to, that would be the weirder part for me.

[00:07:49] Well, it was like, it's like my son when he was little, um, he never, he never seen my grander at all. Um, like he died just literally just before he was born. Um, and he was laughing his tits off one night, like literally like he was being tickled. Yeah. And he was just, he's just at the stage where he was, he was talking, but not well. And he was pointing, he's going, the smiling man. And I was like, that sounds bloody creepy. Yeah.

[00:08:13] Like the, I just so happened to go past the, um, the graveyard where my granddad was buried and he was like pointing. And I was like, what's it? The smiling man? The smiling man. Um, took him in. My granddad's got, he'd never been to that gravestone before, but he's got his picture on the grave. The day is, he's like, that day is, day is, day is. The day is. He had never seen him. And I mean, he was like two and a half, three. Like, no, I just, just talking, but not talking.

[00:08:43] The day is, the day is. I went, yeah. He was like, the smiling man. I was like, that's the smiling man. He's going tickle, tickle, tickle. He tickles you. He's like, yeah. I was like, how does he know? But he, but he took me to the grave. Yeah. Honestly, right. Like this, this is weird. Cause obviously I was telling you the other day about the, about the stuff my son does. Like I said, exactly this day. And when he sees pictures of my granddad and stuff. Yeah. And I mean, my granddad died about, God, it must be nearly 15 years ago now. So there's no way in hell.

[00:09:12] But as soon as he saw pictures of him, he knew who he was. Yeah. And then the other day, I don't even know why I took, I took him to a park that I've never took him to before. And he was, he was, he fucking loved it. But that's where the cemetery is in Reca where I live, like right next to the park. And I don't, I don't know why, but some have made me like, oh, I'll take him in there. Cause I've never, I've never took him to my granddad's grave before. Yeah. Exactly the same, the same as you said, like there's a picture of my granddad at his grave and straight away pointing at it, pointing at it, doing like he normally does.

[00:09:43] But like I say, when I was walking through the cemetery, like sounds weird, but he fucking loved it. Like I say, he was looking around, pointing at everything, smiling at everything. I was like, you can, you can see everything in here, you can. But the thing is, at what point I've asked my kids now, now I've never, I've never dampened them. I've never told them to conform. I just ask them to be kids. I wonder at what point that off switch just happens. Yeah.

[00:10:11] Cause I've talked to both of my kids now, cause mine are like, they're not growing up, but they're the older, they're 10 and 12 now. Yeah. And I've asked them about it, like they can't remember a thing. They have absolutely no recollection from when they were, when they were that young doing stuff like my eldest used to do the same thing as well. And I just don't understand it. Like, so I wonder what that, that off switch is where people have to do see stuff where it stops. Yeah.

[00:10:41] Well, this is what I've always wondered because like you say, because I've even been told by mediums that it is like, say it's that, it's that five or six age where, where, well, majority of people like say, lose that, I don't know, ability, skillset, whatever you want to call it. And my, my little theory on it is I can't remember the name. I can't remember the name of the film. You might be able to help me out with this. It was a film that was out in the nineties and it was about babies that could talk to each other telepathically and stuff. Oh yes.

[00:11:09] No, it wasn't look who's talking, but I know. It's not that, but it was a similar sort of thing. And there's a bit in that. And they say it's why babies can't remember being babies because they're like crossover, like ghosts doing stuff. And that's when they can't remember things anymore. And then they can't talk to other babies anymore. So maybe when we get to like five or six, we have like another phase of crossing over and stuff. Possibly. It is a possibility. It's a, it strikes me as odd though, because it's like, when you talk to people, like it's,

[00:11:39] it's obviously it's not everybody, but people have got a lot of like anecdotal stories and evidence where they talk about like the kids, they doing these things, talking to relatives, talking to spirit, talking to something. And it's, it's very peculiar, but how do you possibly do a closed control test on this? Exactly. You can't. You can't. I said that.

[00:12:06] I think the thing that intrigues me more is the people that somehow managed to not lose it. Like, you know, like what, what, what happens differently? So they keep that. See, I'm very, I'm very on the fence with mediums. Very, very on the fence with them. Hmm. Um, the, there's, there's more mediums than you can shake a stick at these days. Oh, 100%. Now I think I've only, and I would honestly say this, I think I've only ever encountered two legitimate ones.

[00:12:36] Yeah. And I've encountered hundreds. Yeah. Right. Now there's, there's a few that come through my lives and I've got like, honestly, I haven't, well, actually no. One of them on my lives, Jesus Christ, made it prompt us a bit later on. I've got a story to tell you about that one. And that blew my mind. Yeah. Now the ones that come through my lives, they're pretty bang on, but like, I haven't met them personally. So I can't sit there and say that. Like, yes, this is, this is how that, this is what they do. I think I've met two legitimate ones in my life.

[00:13:04] There, one of them was my friend that passed and he was just absolutely phenomenal. Like there was, he never accepted any payment at all. Like he literally knew when he was going to pass. Yeah. Like we were going to be going to do a big tour of Scotland together. And he said last day, I'll not be there with you. What are you talking about? He said, oh, you'll see. That's scary. But he, but he was fine with it. He was absolutely fine with it. Like I said, when the first time we went to Scotland, I think we touched on this in person.

[00:13:33] And he, um, he literally stopped this woman, give her a full name. Yeah. Like literally stopped. I went, hello, are you? Bam. So I've got this person here to give her a dad's full name and literally went, can you go get that lump check out your breast? And she was just like, literally, how the fuck do you know that? And he's just like, I don't. Yeah. So he's like, you know, how do you know? He's like, your dad's telling me. Like literally, but like just say, oh my God.

[00:14:03] How much do you want for it? He's like, I don't get paid for this. He's like, is there anybody that takes any sort of payment from us? Is a charlatan? He's like, I don't do it for payment. Yeah. He's like, do you work with the charities? Like, well, I do my own charity work. He's like, but I'm not going to sit here and take money off you and say, yes, I'm going to give that charity. When you pick a charity, you go do it. Yeah, exactly. And I was just like, I think that's what was the trigger point for me of like, head on. Like he's, he's got something about me. But then there was, then there was a weird experience through one of my lives.

[00:14:33] Um, I'm not sure if she'll want named or not. So I'll just, I'll just keep her unnamed for now. And, uh, I'll credit a bit later on if she wants, if she wants it. Um, now I didn't know where I was going that night. Um, the original place I was going to had been bulldozed down. Right. So I ended up going to a woods that I hadn't touched in a long time. And what I make sure I do is, is that I'm starting right on the inside. So nobody can see any of the peripheral or anything like that.

[00:14:59] So just, I could be anywhere, but it looks like a generic woodland. A medium in my chat literally came up with, I'm picking up the name. I think it was Sarah Jane. I think that was right. I might be wrong on that one, but it was actually linked to a cold case in that woods. Fucking hell. Um, then she was tight. She was typing away and putting in no, there was no signage. Absolutely no signage. I stayed next to the woods. Like I was down like the narrow paths. I could have been bloody anywhere.

[00:15:29] I literally was using people behind the scenes to see like if the codes reverse image search my entire life to see if the codes pick something up. They got nothing. Absolutely nothing. She gave the name. She explained that it was only the dog lead that was found, which was true with, um, with blood splatter on. And she started talking about like stuff that wasn't even known about. And she's like, look, I don't know how accurate this is. It's just like visions that I'm getting in my head.

[00:15:59] I'm just like, how the hell do you know this? Yeah. Like when that name came up, I was like, I was reading my chat and I'm just like, I don't know. She lives all the way in Liverpool. I was in the ass end of Northumberland. Yeah. Like literally, it could have been any woodland I was in. No. And I was just like, how the fuck do you do that? Yeah. Like that's the, and that's what I think, because sometimes I think like,

[00:16:29] is it legitimate? Is it not? But then when stuff like that happens, I'm like, oh, how? How? Yeah. That's always, that's always the thing I struggle with when I, when I have mediums on here. Like, I don't want to be like a, you know, right. I don't want to treat him like a performing monkey and be like, right, right. Come on then. If you're that good, tell me something sort of thing. Like there's part of, there's part of me that wants to, because I'm the same. I'm very, I'm very on the fences with them. And a lot of them are bullshitters. Like I say, I think that's a fact.

[00:16:57] And I think a lot of mediums themselves will admit that. But like I say, my, my biggest convincing one, which I think I told you the other night was I had a woman on a podcast over, I think she's over in California. So literally halfway across the world. Never, never spoke to her before, apart from obviously setting up, doing the podcast. Didn't have her on any of my personal social medias. And I think just the podcast one, which is, there's not a lot of information about me on there.

[00:17:24] And I was telling her about, oh, you still have imaginary friends and stuff. And then we carried on talking and then she randomly goes, oh, do you remember talking to Charlie? And I'm like, no, who the hell's that? And then she just told me to ask my mom because my mom's a medium as well. So I was like, fair enough. So afterwards I messaged my mom and I was like, oh, when I used to talk to somebody, it was one of them called Charlie. She was like, oh, why? I was like, well, I've been told I have to ask you with her. So I can't remember for definite, but it's a possibility because my mom's spirit guide is called Charlie. My dad's granddad was called Charlie and my dad's uncle was called Charlie.

[00:17:55] Like of all the names she could have picked. Yeah. Picked her that had those bangs from the other side of the world. Like I say, I might not have been speaking to someone called Charlie, but when there's free connections like that, it's probably a pretty good chance that I was. And like I say, and for her to like, that would be some fucking guess if she's guessed that. Just to plug that out the sky though, that's that. Exactly.

[00:18:20] And the mental, the even more crazy thing was like, she basically told me like the layout of my house, like what's in and around my shed. She told me the layout of my mom's house, my brother's house. Like she could see it all. I was just like, this is fucking weird. And I think what I said, I think what I said to her was you were scaring the absolute hell out of me, but it's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is. But I think you're a lot like me.

[00:18:47] It's the, the fear always brings the intrigue, doesn't it? Mm-hmm. Like the, the, like I was, I was talking to Kieran last night. He went, now what if I've seen half the stuff that you've seen? I would literally, I would be legging it. I wouldn't do it against him. But you do. Mm-hmm. You do. See, because once you've, yes, you're scared at the time. Mm-hmm. But then the rational brain kicks in and goes, well, did that happen? Was it paranoia? Am I, like what made me afraid? Yeah. It was a catalyst and he's going to do it again. Yeah. And again.

[00:19:18] Like the, I don't know, but like with mediums, it's, I don't know. Like I said, I'm not, I'm going to, I'm not one of them that's got a problem with mediums. I do actually quite accept mediums. Mm-hmm. But for me, it takes a lot. For them to build my trust. Like a hell of a lot. Really? Um, I don't understand these. Like I've done it once. I wasn't in that podcast with a fella called Simon Laurie King. Mm-hmm. And I literally said to him, I'm not a medium. Mm-hmm.

[00:19:48] He's like, right? He's like, so as they, but what a lot of them do is like, especially on, on camera work, this is what I like to see, like a lot of them can call. He's like, I can do a little bit of it, but he was, his body gestures were just perfect because he just projects everything. So it's just like, like, I know you've had some loss and then he, he went like that straight away. So like, female. Mm-hmm. He's like, so it's, it's an older female. It's like a name began with an A. That's A frame.

[00:20:16] It tells you what it does. Yeah. And A. And he was like, Annie. He's like, oh my bloody God. He's just like, I was like, Simon, I'm not a medium. Yeah. And he's just like, oh, it's like nine out of 10 people are going to wait. Everybody's going to have some older relative of a female that's going to be older. Yeah, yeah, exactly. As in, all you've got to do is just learn the little cues that people give off. Yeah. Like you can, it's like, Simon, I'm not a medium.

[00:20:44] So all I did was a little bit of light, cold reading on you. Yeah. As I put, he's like, ah, well, he's like, I have had a medium do pretty much exactly that before. I was like, well. Mm-hmm. Are they? Like. That's why, that's why I'll never trust these ones that do like, because I've, I've been to one before because my mom, like I said, my mom's really, my mom's really into it. And you know, well, they'll do like, they're on a stage in a theater and stuff and they'll come out, oh, I'm getting the letter S. And it's just like, fuck off me.

[00:21:13] That could be half the people in here. Yeah. Like they're, they're the ones that I really can't. I'm just like, no, you're talking to me. I'm going to, I'm getting a man, a man or a woman. I'm getting a man or a woman. And the name begins with an A, B, C, E, F, E, L, L, L, L, L, L, L, Linda, Linda. Yes. Definitely a woman, Linda. Exactly. I just, I'll just fuck off.

[00:21:38] But like when I was, and this is what struck me with Ian, he never did any of that at all. Ever. Yeah. He would just be like, bam, there's the name. Bam, there's your name. Boom. Yeah. Just like, I still can't explain it. Well, that's why I say, like you say, because I do believe there is some genuine ones out there. How many, I'm not sure.

[00:22:07] And like that, that's why I think the ones that are like, fair fucking play, because there's stuff they can do. And like I say, I've had one that I fully 100% believe, 100% genuine. And like I say, some of the stuff she's told me, I'm just like, mind blown. It's just, it's crazy. What I did like about Ian as well, because somebody came to his house and asked him for a reading. He said, I don't normally do readings.

[00:22:36] But what he would say as well, if somebody came in, he'd say, can I have a reading? He'd say, you've got nobody with you? He'd straight up sit there and just go. Yeah. He'd say, I don't know how you expect a reading to work. He'd say, but all I can do is ask people, like who's with you. He'd say, people in spirits, like if they know anything, he'd say, because time in the spirit world is not linear. Like sometimes if they're new spirit, it's chaos for them. Sometimes they can't see past, present, and future and give a little bit of an insight. He'd say, but you don't have anybody with you.

[00:23:05] And I was just going to say, that's interesting. Because he could have sat there and just said anything. He'd say, you don't physically have anybody with you. Yeah. I'd say, I'm not a fan of doing readings, to be fair. My player. And I remember this woman saying, well, why? Because nothing's set in stone. He'd say, I could sit here and be told by something to you that you've got, you're going to go meet the love of your life.

[00:23:34] He'd say, you've got to think these people are people that could be bullshitting me. Yeah. Exactly. He'd say, I don't like doing them. He'd say, I will. He'd say, but... He'd say, even with a legitimate medium, he'd say, take them with a pinch of salt. Yeah. Because you've got to expect that these things are going to... These things, these people are all truthful. It's like, not everybody's truthful. Well, that's the other thing as well. That's the other thing as well.

[00:24:02] I mean, there's a question that I don't know how many people have asked. Can ghosts lie? According to Ian, they could. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. So like, you know, how do you know who or what you can trust? He'd say, literally, I'd say a good 35% of them are bare-faced liars because they're bored. It's okay. He'd say a good 50% of pull the guy's activity. It's just somebody sitting there, bored. Yeah.

[00:24:31] It's like, so, he'd say, Tony, it'll be somebody like you, who just gets some sort of thrill out of seeing people get afraid. Yeah. They'd just be sitting there, bored, and you'll just like, knock a cup, you'll get a reaction. They'd be like, ooh, ooh, ooh, that's what I was going to do. I must admit, that's going to be me. That wasn't me, like you said. If I become some sort of ghost, I'll just be going around just winding people up like no tomorrow. Absolute torment. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah, definitely.

[00:25:00] I'm not going to be giving messages to people like, oh, you need to go and check, find this in a drawer. And it's, you know, whatever. I'll just be like, no, fuck that. Just tell them to do something even stupider. Just, I don't know, tell them to be red in a toilet and then they're going to win the lottery. Give them some random coordinates to nowhere. Just send them on a fucking treasure hunt for nothing. Find the treasure.

[00:25:31] Oh, God. Right then, mate. So let's jump on to some of your investigations and stuff. So when did you start investigating? Obviously, like I say, you're big on Facebook, you're big on TikTok. So when did it all start for you? Social media or personal? Because they're two different stories. A bit of both then. A bit of both. So, honestly, I had a bit of a dark time with my mental health going back about, say, about 10 years ago. Yeah.

[00:26:02] And I just, I've always had a curiosity with the paranormal anyway. So I would just actively go out and look for it. No kits, no nothing. I would just go to the creepy place, go to the weird place, go to the place that made me feel uncomfortable. And at the time, I know it sounds, I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer or not like that. But it made me feel something. Yeah.

[00:26:27] Because I was so bloody depressed, feeling that little aspect of fear had me like, oh, right. I didn't have that numb wall anymore. Yeah. I was like, okay. A little bit of an adrenaline hit. Yeah, yeah. Instead of just being brick wall all the time. Yeah. So then it just started developing from there. I thought, well, how far can I push it? How far can I go? Where wouldn't I go? Then I realized there wasn't anywhere where I wouldn't go.

[00:26:58] And I was going to the places where people wouldn't and getting loads of activity. And I thought, I should probably get this on camera. It was just, that went from being in camera. I was with a team. My very first team I'm still very close with. But it was just situational with that. The two of them got married. The other one got a boyfriend. And they just, I'm still, they would still come out with a drop of a hat right now.

[00:27:26] But they just didn't want to do life-based paranormal investigation. They were called Unveiled Apparition. Life just got in the way of them. And they were great. I literally could call out tomorrow and they'll want to go do a ghost hunt. And then I ended up forming a team called Forged in Fear. And that was, they're still active. Obviously, with most things, it was a bit of a falling out. But I've always wished them all the best.

[00:27:55] And then from there, I just kind of started doing it properly on my own. And I haven't been doing it that long on my own, really. I've been just over a year now. And it's just kind of taken off on social media. I think it's because, how can I put it? I take people on the adventure with us. Because, like, I'm very rarely on camera. Yeah.

[00:28:24] 90% of it is first-person view. So, people experience what I'm experiencing as it's happening. And I make very audience-led and I like it that way. It's like I always say, it's like, whoever's watching it, it's your investigation too. Yeah, definitely. Like, I know they're on the other side of the screen. But some of my best evidence ever has been caught by my community.

[00:28:54] Like, I've missed shadow figures that they've caught because of a screen recorder that I've missed. I've never bloody seen an orb yet. Not one. But they've got screen records of them left, right and centre. And I've never physically seen one. Like, every knock, every bang, everything. Like, because you've got so many eyes on it, it's good. Now, I don't know if they're there for the paranormal or they're there for the irrational fear at all or both. But it works and it's good and I do enjoy it.

[00:29:24] But now I'm usually out, like, minimum of four nights a week. Nice, nice. Fucking wish I could do that. It's draining. It is draining. I can imagine. But it's good, though. It is very good. It can always go somewhere different. I'll push the back. It can always go somewhere further.

[00:29:46] I think the good thing with doing it live, like you do, is that, like, because I think a lot of times, like you say, it was like programs with, like, most haunted and stuff. And, like, you know, you'd only see the good bits, if you know what I'm saying.

[00:30:00] Like, that's why when I do my videos, like, I leave in quite a lot of the parts where we're there and, like, not a lot is happening because, just so people can see that, like you say, you can be in a place for, like, a good four, five, six hours. You get nothing. But then if you only use the bits of activity, then the video would be five minutes long, max. Watch somebody called Mindseed TV. Right.

[00:30:30] I'll send you a link to them, right? And they were very clever. I watched one of theirs that they did in the snow. They get nothing. But I was hooked. I watched an hour and a half because of very clever editing. And it was the second watch. I did. I'm like, actually, they haven't gotten out yet. It was just clever editing. Like, bastards. But very clever. I called them that on each video. They're kicking out, like, 90 million views a video or something like that now. In hell. Nice. Nice.

[00:31:00] I thought, being what's mine's got to 100. But with me, it's what you see is what you get. If I get nothing, I get nothing. I can't promise anything. But this is another reason why I'm not well-liked in the paranormal world. Right. I understand that because I won't name names on how they do it,

[00:31:28] but I will tell people on what to look out for and how people are faking things alive. Right. Fair enough. Because I think every investigator has got a moral obligation to do so. If you're going to do it, do it legitimately. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Because at the end of the day, if not, then you're just trying to... You're just like one of those old charlatans that were out there back... Those old mediums from the late 80s to the early 1900s, I would just sit there and put on the fake shows. It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:00] Now, people say it's not entertainment. No, it's not entertainment at all. I get it. You're looking for spirit, but there's nothing stopping you from throwing a little bit of charisma in there. Yeah, exactly. And you don't need to sit there and fake evidence to keep people entertained. No, exactly. I can hand on heart say that I've never faked a bit of evidence. No, well, same. I will admit, I have got fright by sounds that I've made. Like, you'll walk into something and hear a bang, like, oh my God, what the fuck is that? Because at the time, everything just goes... Then you'll sit there and you'll process it.

[00:32:30] Oh, you're booking Dave. That was you. Well, that's one of the things that I say the most. You'll hear us say it on the live. If I stand on a stick, like, that was me. Even a fart burp. I will tell everybody every noise that I make. Yeah. And then when I do get a noise that's not me, you'll know that as well because I go quiet. I'm just like, I'm the only one in here.

[00:32:58] Well, that's why, like, I'm always a bit sketchy on, like you say, when, like, of objects moving and stuff or things falling over. Like, we had it happen on a recent investigation. And like you say, it could be paranormal. It could be, I don't know, like you say to me, you never really know, especially when you're in somewhere, especially when you're in a dark place. You know, you can't say, like, oh, it's 100% that.

[00:33:28] And like I say, I won't trust any investigator who says that something was 100% paranormal because at the end of the day, we don't actually know. No. And you can't know. Exactly. You can't. At the end of the day, like, you're investigating now yourself. And after a thousand times over, essentially what we're looking for is the invisible man or the boogeyman. Yeah. Like, I'm lucky that I've got Barnsy. Like, I love him to bits.

[00:33:56] He is an absolute mad scientist and he makes all my kids. Like, I'm going to have to send you a video on Facebook. He's revolutionized the bloody REM pod. Yeah. I didn't think the REM pod needed change. But he's looked at it and he's went, okay, if I can't tag that. But just because the REM pod went off, yes, my kit doesn't usually go off. I don't know what it is about Northumberg's Hall and Museum. My kit's going bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, all the time in there. Not all the time. That's the wrong thing to say.

[00:34:25] But still, I had four hits in one night. Before I went there, I had four hits in a year and a half on a REM pod. And that was going nearly five nights a week. Mm-hmm. Like, going to some of the most, like, not the haunted, but what do you want, Doug? You want to talk? Huh? What are you going to say? Uh, like, going to, like, some of the most registered haunted locations in the UK. Yeah. Uh, nothing flat as a fart. Mm-hmm. Uh, and throughout an entire year, I've had four hits on a REM pod,

[00:34:55] but I've had four in one night. What? What? I'm talking. Hey, I'm talking to you. Um, but there is something special about that place, but, like, I don't want, that's what I like about Barnsley. Everything I make, everything, sorry, everything he makes is transparent. Mm-hmm. You can literally just pop a side off, look at it, and you can literally see it. Yeah. And you hear some people say, look, if you don't understand it, take some photographs of it,

[00:35:24] and learn how I've done it. Yeah. So you can see it for yourself. Mm-hmm. Um, but I don't understand why I do understand these investigators that sit there that got, like, hit after hit after hit after hit after hit, I mean, Mm-hmm. Like, where's your little radio plunger in your pocket that sat off your REM pod? Yeah. Like, is that bullshit? I don't know if you were seeing it yourself, they'll turn it on beforehand,

[00:35:51] so they'll, and they'll learn how fast the filament heats up. Mm-hmm. So they'll put it on before it's just on, and they'll leave it out, but then they'll already know the timing. And they're like, oh, can you turn that torch on, please? Boom, it'll turn on. Yeah. Then after a certain amount of seconds, it'll turn off, and a lot of them bloody do it. Mm-hmm. A hell of a lot of them. This is why I just use, I use digital click torches. Yeah. So there's no twist, there's no nothing, some button has to be physically clicked. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:20] I've never had a torch that's turned itself off. I've had the Barry randomly drain, when it's been fully charged. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had that before. Or on command. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. It's never happened. Yeah. The only sort of, what the hell can we call it, I don't know, something to do with lights that I've had that has made me go, oh, right, might be something to that then, is cat balls, and that's why I like them so much. One, because they're cheap, and they're fun to play with.

[00:36:50] I do like cat balls, but again, another one for you to watch with investigators, because I know you're just as curious as me. Mm. Watch the floorboards. Mm-hmm. When they put them down, because what a lot of investigators do, especially on like these old houses, like I'll always have them so that the floorboards are running flat and away from us. Yeah. What a lot of people do is have them running straight. Yeah. So then if they put a bit of pressure on that floorboard, it'll vibrate along the end and set that cap all off. See,

[00:37:20] when I've used them, I've always tried not, the only floor that I'd used them on is a concrete floor. I wouldn't use them on a wooden floor. If I wanted to do them, I'd put them on a shelf or something. Oh, yeah, I'm saying, it's usually a shelf high of something concrete. Because, weirdly, it does take a lot to set them off, but it also doesn't take a lot to set them off, and I know that doesn't make sense in anyone. No, it does. Anyone who hasn't used them will probably think, what the hell are you saying? So I've had them before where I've had to poke them, really give them ones to start moving and go.

[00:37:49] And other ones, you can just cough and they'll be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And you never know what you're going to get with them. But, yeah, I do like the cap all simple, easy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're a good little starter thing to have a play around with. Oh, 100%. I think the only bit of kit I don't really use is a K2. Yeah, I'm not, I'm skeptical on that. I don't like K2s.

[00:38:19] I do have a fully digital EMF. Yeah, yeah. Which you can use and that can pick up, you can program that to pick up all the background radiation that your phone's going to pick up, that the area's going to pick up and everything like that. Yeah. I've had one hit on that in the air. Yeah. Well, I've, I've spoken to a couple of other investigators now who, what they do, like I say, if they're, especially in a building, they'll go around with that first and do a bit of like, a bit of debunking almost

[00:38:48] with that rather than actually using it to investigate, which I think is a good idea to be fair. What I've found with K2s is that they are so bloody sensitive. I've shouted at a K2 before and that's what I've. Well, me and my old co-host doing this, Billy, was one of our first ever episodes, well, I think it was the first ever episodes we've done. That was when I didn't have a clue about any of the equipment or anything and he's got it all, Rempod, Spirit Box, his fucking K2s, fucking Catballs, the fucking lot and we sussed out because at the time

[00:39:17] he had a Samsung phone and at the time that Samsung phone wouldn't set it off but he put it next to an iPhone, like I say, it wouldn't have to be ringing, it just had to be turned on. iPhone, it would go ballistic. Yeah. This is another one that makes me laugh though. Like, I'm watching people on live and go like, the K2s right next to their phone, it's called Kragas. I was literally watching somebody the other night and went, oh no, no, it's not my phone, my phone's on aeroplane mode. Don't make a difference. And it doesn't,

[00:39:47] but that's not the thing. Yeah. How is it on aeroplane mode and how are they live if that's the case? Yeah. How are they physically live if their phone's on aeroplane mode? Exactly. I was like, don't, the other night one, we were right in Masonic Hall. So we were in the temple room there and like I say, opposite side of the room, we had the K2 on the thing and it was going constantly, but then we slusted there, they had a hearing loop in there. So yeah, that can do it.

[00:40:17] That's what I like about, that's what I really, really like about the New Dawn. I've investigated with them a lot and there's a few people that I'll actually investigate with and that's true. That's, my list is very small. Yeah. Um, but that's what I do like, especially with Liam, he will sit there and he will try and debug. Yeah. Like, he won't just sit there and just go, right, that's definitely spirit, that's definitely, that's definitely that. You're not going to go, well, what's the cause? Yeah. Like the, like I had it at, um,

[00:40:45] Stockport Guildhall Masonic. Hmm. Um, I'd set my rempod up on the stairs and I turned around and it literally went brr, brr, brr, I remember stopping looking at me, you don't go off. Hmm. Looking at it, it was like, weird, not a battery surge. Took the battery out, put a bag in, got a fresh battery, put that in, switched it on.

[00:41:13] It took me 25 minutes for me to decide that that was a hit. Yeah. I was like, like people, people on my stream say, Tony, just be happy about it. I'm just like, I would love to just go, yes, but exactly. Ah, yeah. You have to eliminate everything and even then, would I say that was spirit interaction? Hmm. No. And even then, I've had people take screen recordings of that night and there's this like white bride standing on the stairs

[00:41:43] exactly up the rempod when that went off and I'm like, has something exposed that in some way? Like, I can't 100% say that I've caught evidence of spirit. Oh, no, no, I'd like to say, I don't think anybody can. I think, like you say, I always say, weird things have happened. Like you say, again, I mean, no, no, no, my video will be out before this episode comes out so I can say it. But there's a part, there was an incident when we were out right in Masonic Hall

[00:42:13] where we were all on the floor holding hands and Liam was asking questions and stuff and my fingers started tingling like mad. Like I said, I don't know if it was because I was sat cross-legged for the first time since I was about 10. I was probably losing fucking circulation or something but my fingers started tingling like mad and then Rick and Tom, the two guys next to us, they were both saying to me, are you all right? And I was just like, yeah, yeah. They were like, oh, you're twitching like fucking, apparently my lip was going like mad. Really, Oli?

[00:42:43] But I don't remember that. Wow. Yeah, probably like minute and a half, two minutes max. I even put in a video, like I've got no memory of this. Like you see, you hear Rick in the video saying to me, are you all right? And I go, aye, but I don't remember that. That's cracking that. Yeah, like that, that's weird. Like I said, might be a good explanation for it. I don't know, but like I said, but that is definitely weird. That's what I always say. I'm not going to say anything is paranormal or evidence, but I will say things are fucking weird or not.

[00:43:13] The thing is, so that's what you got to think of because your subconscious as well. Like I am an investigator and I do love the, the everything to do with the paranormal and creepy. Like, but then you think like, right, is that subconscious hysteria is have, have you unwillingly heard somebody talking about at some point that, well, there that this is the reaction that they got and then when you're sitting there zoning out, your body is doing the same thing.

[00:43:43] It's spirit. You just, it's this, there's so many bloody variables. Yeah. And this is, and I am a staunch believer. I do believe. Mm. But for me, there has to be, like, I'll never get it. I know I won't. Yeah. Like, like I've got some phenomenal capture. I'll send you some stuff over as well from like some of the stuff that I've got. Yeah. Like, so you can look through yourself like that. I think I showed you the shadow figure the other night, didn't I? Yeah. Yeah. That thing standing at the end

[00:44:13] of the corridor. Mm. That, that, that one where I was on investigation where I had that shadow figure come towards me, then retreat. Yeah. Like, I don't know how to explain what these things are. Mm. Or the ghosts. Exactly. Exactly. Well, it's like I say, it's like one of my best captures, funny enough, was whilst doing this, which I showed you the other night when I was recording with Michelle. Michelle. That was insane, that. Yeah. Exactly. Like I say, but again, could be very, very easily explained. Like say,

[00:44:41] someone who's much more technical than me with like fucking how sound systems work and what have you. They say it could be very easily explained. I don't know. Well, but even then, what couldn't be explained was the one that he showed us the other day because Kieran knows cameras. For anybody in the room, Kieran's my apprentice, he's my cameraman. Mm. Good lad him. Hey, that's, that's his forte, is tech. But when he was saying that, like the, that one that he showed us the other night with where the screen went green. Yeah. It was like impossible. Mm. Like, he's like,

[00:45:10] that's not how cameras react. Yeah. And with that one, I was like, whoa, that, that was insane, that. Mm-hmm. Like, I didn't know enough about them when, like the thing is about Kieran, he will just give you cold, honest truth. Yeah. Like, look at, this is how this has happened, this is why it's happened. And if he's looking at something, especially when it comes to any sort of tech. Yeah. And going, nah, I take his word for bait him, like. Because, he's the first person to say and look at something that's called, that's bollocks. Yeah. I've heard him say it.

[00:45:40] Aye. He doesn't, who they are, what, what stature they've got, so you'll look at something and if it's not right, you'll just say, it's bullshit. Yeah. Like, and that's, that held a lot of merit when like your shoulders where your son was pointing the screens went, like. Yeah. I was talking about that afterwards, he went, Tony, you don't realise how impossible that was. Hmm. Again, again, it's like I say, because, because obviously, because I don't know that for a fact, so, to me, like you say, there could still be a weird explanation to it, but also, like you say,

[00:46:10] out of all the videos I've ever taken on every phone I've ever had for the last 10, 15 years, nothing like that has ever happened, so why the hell would then that happen when, like, basically, like my son's waving at my granddad that isn't there. It's really weird, like you say, that can't be a coincidence, you know what I mean? There must be something to it. There's no such thing as coincidence, man. Oh, no, not a chance, not a chance. Like, the more I do this shit, the more I believe it as well, that like, there's just,

[00:46:40] everything happens for a reason. Yeah. And I don't know what that reason is. I know, like, people are like, oh, it's, I don't, yeah, but at the same time, I don't believe in destiny. No. Like, I would hate to sit there and think that everything that you do is predetermined. Yeah, it'd be fucking boring. No, no. Let's see, give us a glimpse into it, let's see how I, let's see how I fucking die, so I can just go do some mad shit before that. All right,

[00:47:09] there's a little fun question and I've asked a few people this. So, you get a choice, you get to know when you're going to die or how you're going to die. Which one would you want to know? Oh, when? Yeah. That's the only right answer. I don't, I don't care how, but if I know when, then I can do the craziest shit up to that point. Yes, I might get horribly injured, horribly disfigured, but I'm not going to die, I can come back at it.

[00:47:38] Because I always say that, that's the only right answer because, if you pick, if you pick how and you get told you're going to fucking die in a car crash, that could either happen tomorrow or in another 60 years time. But you could, you'll be sitting there and be like, oh, right, you're going to live in the house. You're going to live until you're 93, right? Okay, I'm going to go slap that grizzly bear. Yeah. Oh, God. If I survive that long, yes, he's probably going to hurt me,

[00:48:08] but it's survivable, so let's go. Exactly. Oh, fucking hell. Right, mate, we've given her a mention, we've given the museum a mention, so let's talk a bit about Northumberland Haunted Museum because obviously you were officially the first person to do an investigation there, so if anybody who doesn't know that, my friend, well, our friend Michelle, who's been on the podcast a few times now, has opened her own haunted museum up in Amble and like I said, you've done the first ever investigation. Talk to me about it.

[00:48:38] Absolutely phenomenal. Now, to be honest, I went in there impartial like I would with anything else, friends or not, I won't, and I said that to Shel and Sarah from the beginning. If I get nothing, I get nothing. I'm not going to accentuate anything or make anything out that it's not, but I can honestly say it's the very best place I've ever investigated. I don't know if it was because it was so raw and so new, but I had,

[00:49:10] I've been going through my own footage and just sitting there thinking how, like how the bloody hell did that happen? So they've got this haunted doll that they call Roman. If he's haunted or not, I don't know, I've got no experience with Roman. I had my REM pod sitting behind him and I went, Roman, can you touch the REM pod? And I fucked right off. That was my actual response. So I was like, okay, do it again. Waited. Nothing. Right, right, okay. Something's wrong with that REM pod.

[00:49:41] I swapped it out. I got, because, um, Barnes, he makes directional ones and ones that I, the closer you get to them. So I put a directional one behind him and then I put that one in another room and this is what blew my fucking mind, right? I said, can you touch that REM pod again? And I didn't realize what I had said at the time. Mm-hmm. I said, can you touch that REM pod again? And in the other room where I had put it and I was away from that.

[00:50:11] So I was in the doll's room. This was in the seance room. That same REM pod went, brrrr. I was like, no way, man. Not a chance. But I was like, I was like, but that's not what I saw. But then my chat was like, you did. He said, can you touch that REM pod again? Yeah. So I was like, right, okay. But there was footsteps, like clear footsteps. Um, people are taking some screenshots of when I was scrying. Like there wasn't just my face

[00:50:40] in that mirror, which was scary. Fuck. Like I've looked back screenshots and I'm just like, people like, they were sitting there like, oh Tony, there's like, there's another face there. I'm just like, I'm on my own. I'm like, no, there's not. Like macho ego sitting there. Like I'm good. Am I right? Look back. Like if I had a seen that that night, I would have been on my toes. The, there was faces in the scrying mirror. There was weird disembodied voices, um, doors opening and closing, knocks, bangs. The,

[00:51:12] I got everything but an apparition. Yeah. Literally everything but an apparition. Then when they checked the CCTV, there was orbs flying around everywhere. There was like, honestly, I've never had an investigation like that in my life. Yeah. Cause I know, I know she put a clip out of, obviously there. I said there was no, nobody in the building. And, I think, I believe it was in the, in that seance room where light just came on and then went back off. You can hear the light switch. You can hear, yeah, I was going to say you can hear the light switch. Like I said,

[00:51:43] obviously we have to take her word as gospel that there was nobody in the building, but knowing Chelle as well as I do, she's not, she's not going to make something like that up. No, but that's just like the same with Chelle and Sarah. I've, I've, I've investigated them when I was back in fortunate fear. So I think I could be wrong. And Sarah, I'll put the comment section if I'm wrong. I'm not sure. She feels free to correct us.

[00:52:08] But I think my first investigation was around about maybe two years ago, maybe two and a half, two and a half ago, still with fortunate fear. Um, and I've investigated with them quite a lot since. And I've never once seen them fabricate a thing. No, not one. Um, the, but that's what struck me. You can literally hear the light switch, the click click.

[00:52:38] Like that was what done it for me. Cause at first I was thinking, well, could you know, could, could be the, the, the, the, the very easy explanation. Oh, it's a loose wire, but a loose wire isn't going to cause the switch to flick on it. No, not. It's not going to hear that click. Click. Yeah. I'm just going to make, if people haven't seen it, it was literally, it was, it was like this noise. It's the, yeah, it's literally that. Hey, unbelievable, man. Yeah.

[00:53:09] Um, so do you think then, do you think this, do you think it was the, obviously the objects, artifacts, whatever, whatever, whatever we call them are in there. Do you think that as that hypes it up more? Or do you just think, or do you think they've got really lucky with the building? To be 100% honest with you. And this is, this is 100% honesty. I've never held any merit to haunted objects. Mm. At all. Like,

[00:53:36] I do understand that energy is infinite. That's a scientific fact. Yeah. I do understand that energy can congregate in places, be it on land, be it around things with high silica, where we get stone tape theory and stuff like that. Sometimes we can touch on it on that. Items themselves, until I went to that place, I would say, no, that didn't, didn't make sense. Because the theory behind it is that somebody's invested so much time and energy into something,

[00:54:05] and so much feeling into an object, that they then become attached to it. Yeah. I've done Rotherham Haunted Museum. Mm-hmm. Great. But yeah, again, that's the Poultergeist House. Right. So, was that from the things that were already in there? Was that from the haunted objects? I've done another one down country, which I will not, even though I hated the place, I don't like the owner. I won't give him any sort of traction,

[00:54:33] because I found out that the charlery that was going on there. Right. That's another haunted museum I've been to. It's right next to a road where trucks go past, and everything's hung up on walls with no light bunting hooks. Yeah. And he tries to say the place is soundproof, but the place vibrates, then you get it, then the Ouija board falls off of walls. Oh my God, it's fallen off the wall. Truck went fast. Like, but, hey ho, in my opinion only, we'll call it that. Yeah.

[00:55:13] It was fine. Yeah. Literally, that building was fine. There was a couple of creaks upstairs, which could have been mistaken for footsteps, but old buildings, woods going to expand, stuff like that. Yeah. People said that they had saw the shadow of a little boy on the stairs. It's next to a high street. If the light hits it right, coming through the window, it's coming past, it may cast a silhouette, or something like that, or reflect off the car window. Possibly. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just, yeah.

[00:55:45] But, honestly mate, that place was fucking alive. Yeah, because, so I have a, I've stolen a little catchphrase off my friend Tommy. I don't know if you know Tommy, who has a Let's Get Freaky podcast. If not, you'll have to get on his show, because he's, I don't know. He's fucking brilliant. So I've stolen his little catchphrase of, when you look into the paranormal, it looks black. Well, 100%, this is exactly what Ian used to say, and it's a famous phrase, it's a famous phrase. He said a lot, the more you step,

[00:56:15] the more you stare into the abyss, the more the abyss stares back at you. But be careful, because the abyss can take control. Yeah, yeah. But I, I believe that more now, because obviously, ever since, in the, what, nearly three years now, probably over three years, I've been doing this, and looking into some, like, a lot more stuff, talking to people like yourself, or medians, like, all sorts of different people. Weird stuff happens in my life now, that never used to happen. Oh yeah.

[00:56:45] Weird stuff literally happens, in this fucking shed. So, that, that's why, that's why I am, because I, I used to be the same, like we say, with haunted objects and stuff. I used to be very, I don't know if you've heard this or not, I am the only one in this house, so sorry to interrupt you there. Hmm. But as soon as I start talking ghosts, you can literally hear footsteps, movement upstairs. Yeah. And that's happening, as we've been talking all bloody day. Yeah. Like, I don't know why, but it's literally, you've just said, it's, you bring them out. Yeah. So you can get stuff in your shed. Yeah, man, like, literally,

[00:57:14] I have to come in now and lock, and like, I lock the door from the inside, because I didn't have a lock on the inside, at first, like I couldn't lock myself in here. And the first two times I recorded in here, and like, bear in mind what one night it was windy, but the first night, calm as hell. And it swung open, didn't slowly move, it swung open. I've had, because like I said, because I used to have a co-host, Billy, I've got a chair in front, other side of the desk. That has been turning. Like I said, I have,

[00:57:43] I have the padlock with the keys in, hung up on the door, I've had a chair again, it was a very calm night. I've had that just swinging backwards and forwards. I've had weird stuff happening here. But like I said, but then is that because I'm in here, talking about all this weird stuff? Maybe, and it's somebody said, you know what I mean? It's just like, possibility, I really could just be going, just look at me. Yeah. Just look at me. Yes, that's, that's, that's,

[00:58:13] that is another possibility there. Hmm. Um, but I have noticed that like, the, Kieran's for instance, originally he was just like, he was my little tech guy. Then he was like, doing a bit of online security for me. And now, he's been out on a couple of investigations with me, but he's starting to notice stuff. Yeah. He's like, he's like, I never, he's like, I never noticed any of this going on. Like,

[00:58:44] more I see. Yeah, definitely. It happens, mate. I think it, it literally happens. Like, I've got no explanation for it. Yeah. Now, yes, people could call that like hysteria. They could call it many things. Like, the, once you start rationalizing the irrational, your brain then makes that thing rational, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, but there's just too much, there's too much out there. Yeah. But it's why,

[00:59:11] it's why I also think it's important for investigators to go to the same place multiple times. Yes. Because I've been, like I said, I think, I think I've been on about four or five now, obviously with New Dawn. I've been to the Air Museum three times, I believe. That's a good place, sir. Yeah. First time, honestly, crazy. All sorts of stuff happening. The second time, I didn't even put out the video for it because literally,

[00:59:41] basically nothing happened. I think, I think the, the most convincing in quotation things that will, that will use there was me, me, Shell and two of us were sat on one of the planes. And again, I don't know how much credence people put into the, obviously the apps and stuff you can use, but I was, I was asking questions and then it came back with nice hat. And it's funny enough, I was wearing the one I'm wearing now. And then later on, it popped up with my name. But again,

[01:00:11] like people had been saying my name. So then, you know, is that app program to listen? What you're saying? I mean, they can put back things that you wanted to say. That's why I'm very iffy with the apps. I must admit. I do use them. Like every time I sit there and I say like, no, I want to stop using this shit. Yeah. I come back with some bangers, like some absolute hits. And I'm like, I'm always thinking myself, have I had a conversation?

[01:00:41] Yeah. Have I been talking to somebody about this? Like, is there a location tracker on it? Has it got access to a camera? Like, I don't, I don't know. Yeah. Like the, like learning algorithmic AIs right now are incredibly intelligent. Like the, some of them are like, they can, they can process information just as fast as humans, if not faster. Exactly. Like on an instant. So, as a coincidence, might be.

[01:01:11] Yeah. Do I like it? As an investigator, no. But then, I don't know what it is. Every time I seem to think that I'm going to stop using one of them, they just come out with like direct hits. And I'm just like, how though? Yeah. Like, and even then it's some stuff, they have had, that's absolutely impossible. Like the, my granddad was called Mojo. Right. He's known as Morris Johnson. It's a name after a, after an old suite. Even though he's called Morris Johnson,

[01:01:39] it was like Mojo people used to call him because he was very tough on the outside, a very stern fella. Oh. The center, that's what a Mojo was. Yeah. I was on investigation once. And I was odd, like, yes, I got, I got a feeling that somebody was there, but it felt familiar. Mm. And I'm like, I know you. And I came up, hello, son. Yeah. I'm like, who's this? And I said, Mojo. I'm like, what the fuck, man?

[01:02:08] How do you know that? Yeah. Like, that's, that's, that's impossible. Yeah. Like, absolutely impossible. Um, and then I think that, no, no, no, I think, I know the next words after that was, I'm waiting for her. And a medium was saying, not a medium, Ian was saying that he's been waiting for my grandma to cross over probably. Mm. Because since she passed away, she's just been like a wildfire, seeing everybody here, there, and everywhere. Yeah. And then when he said, I'm waiting for her, I'm just like, how? I was like, this wasn't, uh,

[01:02:37] this was Negromita that came through. Mm. And I was like, just at the stage where I was just like, ah, fuck that. I'm not using that anymore. Mm. And then that came through. I'm just like, what? Like, how? Yeah. Like, yes, it could be a word bank, but they say that spirit can manipulate word banks. Mm-hmm. Exactly. But to what degree can they do it? Mm. Like, fair enough for my granddad, he was a very, very techie bloke. He understood tech. He would take it apart. He would rebuild things. He was like that. He was,

[01:03:08] he improved hydroelectricity. Mm. Got him over to, um, the Republic of Ireland. And he's the one that brought electricity into rural places in Ireland. Yeah. The, so tech is what he would understand. So for somebody like him, yes, I get it. Mm-hmm. But how does a Victorian do it? Yeah, exactly. How does a Victorian, how does a Saxon, how does a Viking, they're not going to know what it is. Yeah, exactly. I don't, so like I said, there's, there's so many questions of it, isn't there? It's like the, uh, the ghost tube, SL, SLS app. Like,

[01:03:38] I don't touch ghost tube. Mm. Well, you see, the, the, cause I was, cause I, I first come across that with my friend, Billy, when we investigated that woods that I've told you about that. Like I say, you're going to have to come down and come with me. Um, like I was like, I was very, fuck off. It's a fucking app, man. It's fucking, it'll be, it'll be, like I say, it'll be programmed to do, do what you want it to do at some point. And then I downloaded it for a bit of fun. And like I say, and I, and I've used it a lot. Like just,

[01:04:07] just trying to fucking debunk it. Like I say, I've walked around my house with it. I've walked around work. I've walked around the fucking streets with it. And it's never picked up. It's never, it's never brought a stick figure up once ever. See the one time at the air museum, the, what I don't use about, the ghost tube, um, app itself. Not talking about the SLS. Be very careful of its word bank. Yeah. The, the microphone is always switched on. Yeah. Well,

[01:04:37] that's, that's what I mean. That, that, that's what I don't, that's what I don't know if that's a thing with them all. Like you say, is it, is it listening to what you are asking it and it's programmed to like, you know, listen, listen to what you are saying and give you a response sort of thing? Well, this is just it. Like I downloaded, um, Necrophonic on an old iPhone five. Hmm. Right. So it's on there on the five. Um, I've went in and I've physically, just say not Necrophonic, Necromita, sorry.

[01:05:05] I've physically disabled the microphone, like the internal, like the, the speaker microphone. Yeah. So it can't pick up anything external. Uh, the camera is knacked on it, like completely knack. So it doesn't even connect properly. Mm hmm. I've still had intelligent response. Yeah. Like, how? Yeah. Like, like, then on top of that, so I don't get any location tracking. I put my phone on airplane mode and I make sure that location is,

[01:05:36] it has no connection to the internet at all that phone. Yeah. But I still get direct heads. Yeah. It is. Like, it's a strange one. Yeah. They are. They are. They're interesting. Like I say, I just, I don't know how much, like I say, I just think because, because I have a relative idea of how apps work and stuff and how, how, how phones work and how the, you know, like it's, it's pretty much fact. Like you say, you talk about summer, you're scrolling through Facebook,

[01:06:06] you say, I don't know what you've been talking about. So it's, it's common knowledge that our phones are listening to us. Yeah. That's what I mean. So I just, I don't know how much I can trust them. Not give them any free advertisement, but say octopus three times and see what energy company comes up. Exactly. It happens every single time. Yeah. So credibility. I don't know. I really don't know. I want to sit here and say that absolute bollocks,

[01:06:36] but I can't. So basically conclusion for this episode is that we don't know nowt. Right. This is something that was summed up to me and I loved it. It's by a fellow called lone wolf EVPs. And I'll get you in touch with him. Hi. He's got, he, he does EVP recordings in ultra sounds and infrasound. Is he on Tik TOK? He is on Tik TOK. Yeah. I think I follow him. Yeah. Um, some of his work is fantastic,

[01:07:03] but he's got like 42 years of experience in the paranormal field. And he said to me, there was no such thing as an expert in paranormal. No, there isn't. They said, they do not exist. See, anybody that's claiming as an expert, they're a charlatan. He said, because when you think that you've think you've learned everything, they show me a fucking ghost. Yeah. That was exact words to us. Yeah. I was like, right. He's like, I've got 42 years of experience in this field.

[01:07:31] So you can be experienced in what you do. He's like, but my experience might not translate to your experience and it doesn't make me any more experienced than you. Yeah. I say, right. Okay. I was like, that's a bit of a tongue twister, but it's true. Is it? There's no, it doesn't make a difference. Like there, somebody could go out in the first investigations and they could find an absolute apparition standing in front of them. I have a full conversation with them, telling them everything. So the next person can spend 50 years and get nothing.

[01:08:01] Yeah. There's a really good Billy Connolly bit where he's talking about most haunted and he's like, they've got fucking laser beams, heat seeking, sound seeking, everything. What a fucking ghost. And it's true. At the end of the day, it is true. Yeah. Like saying that, I've got a video to send you. I think I called Derek and Cora on, um, on video once. All right. And I, I, I, I'm going to say that I don't care what backlash I get.

[01:08:31] But I do not rate him as a medium. Oh no, awful. Awful. Terrible. Um, so I was in, um, I was in Sheffield, Rotherham's, uh, haunted museum, Paul the guy's house. And, uh, Lee's got all of his, um, all that Derek and Cora stuff. Like he's jagged. He's like, he's pretty much his Derek and Cora costume. Yeah. And I kid you not, I thought it was a piss head outside and I wasn't. He checked his CCTV. I was in the crying boy room with the crying,

[01:09:01] boy. That's heavy. That was actually for that. Um, that's something we can touch on in the future. Uh, I was in the crying boy room and do you know when Derek and Cora used to get possessed? Yeah. Mary loves dick. He's like, doing all of these heebie jeebie stuff. Yeah. Honest to God, it sounded exactly like him coming from the room where his stuff was. That's fucking weird. And I'm just like, like I laughed at him. Like I was so piss head outside. And people like, it sounds like Derek and Cora. I'm like, ha ha ha. Pat my camera around. I just see these clothes that they, I'm like, yeah.

[01:09:31] What? I'm like, do it again, Derek. Sam, can you hear me? Nothing after that. fucking hell. I still got the video of that. I said, you know, that sounds fucking banging like. I mean, rather than me. So just, just to finish off what I want from you. So I know, I know you've obviously been to a lot of places. What's one place you haven't been to yet that you want to go to. What's top of the list?

[01:10:00] I've always said this and it'll be near impossible to get into. I want to be locked in Alcatraz. Oh, now you're talking. I literally like, I know people sit there that want to do like, like the ancient Ram, want to go to skin walk. I want to do skin walk as well. All that stuff. I get that. But lock me on Alcatraz Island for 48 hours. Just with nothing but my kit and the camera. That's, that's what I want. Now,

[01:10:29] nobody's ever said to me that it's been haunted or anything of the soap, but with that much concentrated negativity, the hat. Like, lock me on that fucking island. Leave me. And see what happens. Nice. I wasn't expecting that. So fair play. That's a bloody good shout actually. Oh, honestly, it's been ticking from my head for years. I was like, just get us on the island. Yeah. That would definitely be interesting. Definitely interesting.

[01:10:59] There's a, what's the other one as well? There's an oil rig that you can do not, not far off, uh, our waters, you know. All right. Um, it's much easier to go in a helicopter than that. And I'm, I don't know, I don't know how keen I am to go in a helicopter myself. You know what? I've got a theory about that as well. It's not podcast related, but, um, once you become a certain level of famous, just avoid helicopters. Yeah. I'm going down. Yeah. I just, I don't, I just, I don't know. I can't, I can't trust them to me.

[01:11:29] They don't make sense out of the work. No, they're like a bubble beat. That's all. And I thoroughly enjoyed this, mate. We've got to do it again. Yeah. A hundred, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. Cause like I say, we've got to get into the aliens and the cryptids and all that stuff. Honestly, I'm one of them. That'll just go look for anything. I've got a, I shouldn't be saying this. I've got a, I've got some interviews with some, um, alien fanatics. Nice. Um,

[01:11:58] so I'll see, I'll see how the parody, one of them has been abducted. Nice. Nice. There we go. There we go. Then one, one to actually end on this time. I promise. So what's more believable to you? Ghosts or aliens? Ghosts. Ooh, you say, I think aliens, right? So I think aliens are a mathematical certainty. Well, the aliens are definitely there. That's that, that's that, that has to be. We'll have an infinite universe. There's an infinite chance of,

[01:12:27] of an infinite thing to be in there. If like scientific, it's scientifically impossible for there not to be aliens. I don't know in what form they come in. And for us to think that we're the most intelligent thing in this universe, galaxy, nevermind universe, is galaxy alone. He's depressing. It's ridiculous to even think that. It's just a, it's, it's just sapien, bloody, um, superiority is what we're thinking there. We're still fighting each other. Aliens are there. Mm-hmm.

[01:12:54] Do aliens come and abduct to little Jim Bob from the middle of a cornfield? What the fuck? What like, what interest would they have for us? Other than looking at this, this, this fucking soap opera that we've got going on here. Exactly. Exactly. Like, they've, they've mastered interstellar travel and we're still sitting there fighting each other over fossil fuels. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Like, encounters, uh, nah,

[01:13:24] I don't, I don't find them believable. I do know that they're there. Mm-hmm. Like, I know that they're, like, scientifically, I've, I've never had an encounter, but I do, I know, I know that they're there. Yeah. And, so ghosts for me, like, this makes, it makes so much more sense. Fair enough. Uh, encounters with them anyway. We'll put it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right then mate, like I said, I've, I've really bloody enjoyed this. So just before we finish,

[01:13:53] do you want to let my listeners know where they can find you? So you'll find me. I am Big T. I can be found at the moment on Facebook, TikTok, and I think Kieran's actually said it, my YouTube too, but I am not Big T's paranormal UK. He's an imposter. Fair enough. If you've got a join these group, it's the wrong page. Um, also can I do a little shout out for the charity that I'm working with right now? Gosh, you can mate, go for it. Um, so I don't know when this episode is going to be launched,

[01:14:22] but I'll still have the links up after that anyway. So on the 26th of June, I will be dressing up as my haunted doll Angelica for charity. I'll be going out in public. Um, and we're literally raising money for the brain tumor charity. Um, they're a fantastic charity. What they do is don't just, they do a lot into cancer research, but they actually send out people to help people. But in the last days, like, and actually do some really good stuff. So on the 26th of June,

[01:14:52] I'm going to be out in the public dressed as Angelica and, um, hopefully try and raise a little bit of money for charity. Nice. Nice. Fair play. Fair play, you mate. Like I said, any, well, I said any charity is a good cause. I mean, you'd hope so. So yeah, but yeah, fair, fair play, you mate. Well done. I like it. I like it. I'll put that bit out as a clip and I'll put the links and everything in it for you. Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that. No bother, no bother, mate. We've got to do this again. Yeah. I love the podcast, mate. Next time we've got set up, we'll have my tripod, have my headphones. I'll be looking good.

[01:15:25] Happy days. Happy days. Right then guys. So we shall leave it there for today. So as always go and follow our Instagram page at the spooky shed podcast. Go and follow the Facebook on the Tik Tok as well, because I'm going to start putting stuff on there again as well. Um, when this comes out, there will be a new investigation, investigation of right. Masonic Hall will be up on the YouTube channel. So go and watch that like comment and subscribe and all that usual. YouTube bollocks that you have to do. And yeah, we shall speak to you next time. See you soon.

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