Who They Are & What They're Up To! With Leslie & Stephan Shaw! Ep.84

[00:00:08] This is a message for Billy. You can go fuck yourself bro, alright? Don't be a twat Billy. Yeah Billy man, you're being a real asshole. Billy you're a cunt. Right then guys, welcome back into the Spooky Shed, your go-to place for conversations around all things weird, scary and of course spooky. You've heard that intro, Billy's not here, doesn't matter anymore, he's getting on my nerves now. So tonight I've got two special guests with me, not just one.

[00:00:36] So I've got Leslie and Stephen Shaw, the authors of Who They Are and What They're Up To, and the hosts of Abductions 101. So Leslie, Stephen, welcome to the podcast and welcome to The Shed. Thank you Liam. Cheers. Thank you for having us. No problem, no problem. It feels like it's been a long time coming this. Yes, I'm sorry about missing the date last time, I apologize. We're not usually flaky. That's the first one we missed.

[00:01:04] Yeah, I came down sick and I'm better now, but sorry about that. Good, good. That's the main thing then. So I told you before we start our episodes now by asking our guests to leave something in the shed with us. So you guys can leave something combined or you can leave one thing each. So what are you going to leave with us? Well, I mean, you're talking about advice? Can be advice. People have left advice.

[00:01:33] I mean, someone's left a piece of coal in here. Someone's left a piece of a redwood tree. I mean, literally anything. I would leave our book. We're very proud of it. It and it's very well referenced at the back for all the sources for all our different suppositions and theories are there. And if for no other reason, the the the reference section at the back is invaluable for people who want to dive into the UFO.

[00:02:03] Yeah, that was difficult to do. Yeah. And for me, I say like the great Maya Angelou said, watch what they do, not what they say. As far as when it comes to, you know, releasing of information from the government or what when it comes to the paranormal or the UFO phenomena, just watch what they do. Hmm. No, I like that. That's good advice. That's good advice.

[00:02:30] Um, so normally with the guest episodes, I sort of I usually come up with like a little bit of a plan, but I don't think I've had to with this one because I just want to sort of let you guys take the lead and tell your story. So where does it all start for you then with the whole the I like to call the weird things in life? Yeah. Um, Stephen is the main experiencer in our family.

[00:02:54] We're both UFO witnesses, but his family were the ones targeted by the abduction. Right. Right. Right. Nice. Why don't you start with your early life? Oh, yeah, I was born in 19 born in 1960 in Woodland Hills, California, actually Encino. Anyway, at the age of three, I started getting visited by this two two legged being that would jump on my chest and my. My stomach, you know, it was invisible, invisible in the middle of the night.

[00:03:21] And I was told, you know, being very, very young that we had this family spirit guide called O'Glegli that had been with the family for, you know, for generations. So, you know, three years old, I took it for what it was and it wasn't menacing. It wasn't anything scary. So that was my first and they went on, you know, a few different times. So from from there on about the well, about the age of nine.

[00:03:45] I woke up in the top of a bunk bed, my brother on the bottom, and I heard this strange noise in the house that I knew it wasn't the dog. And I got out of bed and I started walking down the hallway. Kitchen light was on so I could see where I was going. And I was very nervous. My heart was pounding. I was in an adrenal state, so I wasn't, you know, in a dream. And as I went to turn the corner into the living room, I blacked out.

[00:04:12] And then next thing I know, a few hours later, I'm back in my bunk bed. So that was the first, you know, kind of really scary thing. Before that, I'd seen what were called the garden gnomes about when I was eight. I woke up again in my bunk bed and I saw these little guys about a foot tall looking like literally like, you know, English garden gnomes. And they were kind of shimmery. And there's about four or five of them. And they were creeping into the room.

[00:04:40] And I looked at them for a while, clearing my eyes. And then they noticed I was looking at them and they stopped and they kind of looked at me. And I got I got scared. I chickened out, as we say. And I turned over and says, they're not here. You know what? It's not happening. You know, and then at this stage that the. This thing where people black out and wake up hours later, this is like the signature of the abduction phenomenon is quite common.

[00:05:10] Yeah. With the family a lot. And also that we don't necessarily believe in gnomes. But what happens with abductions and this is frequent, people will have a shimmery memory of maybe their abductors. Yeah. But it's frequently not what really is there. Sometimes they'll see it as owls. They tamper with memories, in other words.

[00:05:36] So we think that this gnomes that the boys, the two, his brother and he were both. Yeah. My. Yeah. I interject here when my brother who was who was six years younger than me. Yeah. When he turned eight years of age, he started sleeping in the closet in our bedroom. And he did that for a full two years. And I asked him to Philip, you know, why? Why are you sleeping in the closet? And he said, well, I'm afraid of little men who come at night.

[00:06:01] And so being as I had seen what he referred to as the little men, I had to believe him because, you know, I thought otherwise I would have thought, you know, you're just you're being weird or whatever. Yeah. He did have a little trouble with holding his bladder at night. So I thought at first it was that, but it wasn't his bladder problem. It was that he was, you know, afraid of the little men that came at night. Yeah. Fighting in the closet from them every night. So, yeah.

[00:06:26] And, you know, as far as when I going back, you know, four generations in on my side of the family, all the women on my side of the family going back to Germany and England and into California. All the women apart from one were automatic riders, which means basically it's like you go into a trance, you feel compelled to go into a trance and you have to write something down. It's a message from the other side or spirit guide or whatever it may be.

[00:06:54] You know, we thought it was the spiritual world. My mom showed me this on several occasions where she picked me up from school when I was nine years of age and she was absolutely just crying. And my mom was a stiff lipped, you know, woman who had grown up during World War II England as a child. And she, you know, she knew trauma. Okay. But anyway, so she said, I said, Mommy, why are you crying? And she said, well, my mother just died.

[00:07:24] And I thought, well, you know, I said, well, Grandma, she's in England. You know, she's, you know, he said, well, I got, I got contacted by O'Glegley and O'Glegley told me that my mom had just died. She fell down some cobblestone stairs and we hadn't gotten any calls. My dad came home and he said, well, how did you find out? She told him, O'Glegley. So my dad knowing about O'Glegley, he said, okay.

[00:07:47] So about 24 hours later, we got a call from England and it said, you know, we were sorry to tell you, but your, your mother has died from a fall down some cobblestone stairs. Exactly. Broke her hip, broke her hip again and died from the complications. And she did the same thing when her, when her father died a few years later and when uncle Clifford died. And I found numerous, you know, notes that were not written in her handwriting.

[00:08:13] You know, the other thing is too, that you don't write in your own handwriting when you go into a trance, apparently. Frequently the other hand. Well, for me, I tried it a few times and I did not like it. I could do it when I was a teenager, but I just like, I felt, felt freaked out by it. We've seen now that this old Glegley character is actually the gray, tall gray alien handler for the family.

[00:08:39] In our research shows that the abduction phenomenon is, tends to follow families. Bloodlines. Yeah. They, they find a particular genetic line that matches their criteria. That's, you know, what they're after. And then they'll stick with that family for years. They'll, they'll abduct, you know, the. Generation. You know, they'll get abducted again and again and again and again through their lives. And then it'll start on their children and then they'll start on their grandchildren.

[00:09:06] So, um, in this case, we think this old Glegley character is this tall gray handler for the family. And he has been for multiple generations. And, uh, this is how he, he needs to have one family member at all times to communicate with it seems. Cause, uh, after Stephen's mother passed away, his sister suddenly felt compelled to become the next automatic writer in the family and started doing it too.

[00:09:35] And my, and my, my grandmother on my mom's side had, uh, dealt with old Glegley a couple of times. My, um, my uncle who wasn't even a Shaw or a Roe, but he was a Griffiths. He was in the RAF in the 1948 salon, which is now Sri Lanka. And he, he had heard about the old Glegley thing, not necessarily completely believing it, but he'd heard about it.

[00:09:59] And he was awakened in his cot in a multi-man cot, uh, in the middle of the night by this tall, skinny, six and a half foot tall, dark entity with wearing a hat. And they said, Douglas, you need to get out of your cot right now. If you don't get out, you may be killed. There's a raiding party coming through. And he, he got up and the figure was gone. Okay.

[00:10:20] So being a intelligent man and, uh, taking the warning, he got out and about a minute or two later, sure enough, award, uh, uh, a raiding party came through with machetes and with some guns and killed a few of the officers. And he took it so seriously. He told me a couple of times when I was, uh, a young man growing up in my teens.

[00:10:43] And when his, when his daughter became of age to drive, he bought her this really nice white triumph, you know, British, you know, British sports car. And the, um, the license plate was old Glegley. Okay. And he, he became a, he became a very, he became a very wealthy man. Um, so the point that, um, this story taught us was that the, the family handler both, uh, protects and preys upon the family. Right.

[00:11:12] It's almost like you would protect your prized cow. Right. Yeah. We have, we, we, we fulfill a need. And my brother in 1982, when he turned 16 at the house that we were building up in the Sierra, Sierra Nevadas of California that, you know, cause my dad was a cabinet maker and I was, you know, the apprentice. And, and whatnot. So this was like, nobody else had lived in that house. Right. So my brother was 16. That's when he had his three events and it started with two bright lights shining in his window.

[00:11:43] These events tend to come in clusters and he had a cluster of three and Steve had a cluster of five. Which, which, uh, which encompassed the whole family in two different locations at the same time. But anyway, so Philip, he actually saw this six and a half foot tall gray alien standing in his doorway at night on the third night. And they kind of looked at each other for a couple of, I guess a couple of seconds or so. And then he blacked out. So that's when we kind of knew by 1982. Oh, we were dealing with that.

[00:12:11] We were, you know, this old Glegley character that kept on showing up for me and showed up for my brother, Philip and from uncle Doug. And for my, at least my grandmother, grandmother Roe, um, is the same character. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Bloody hell is a bloody hell. There's a lot to go over there. Yes, there is. You're bloody well right on that.

[00:12:34] And, um, Steven saw his first UFO at what age 11, uh, glowing, like a glowing orange or, and I think there's a connection between the abduction phenomenon and the orb. I think that maybe he just saw it leaving or coming or. Well, it was, it was, it was, it was more than an orb. It was more, it was big. It was, it was literally, it was. More, but. No, no, no, no, no.

[00:12:59] No, it was, it was going, it was going from south to north, um, about nine o'clock at night. And it was just kind of paused, kind of like when I saw it and it was, I don't know how many hundreds of feet in the air it was, but it was, it was moving kind of slowly, but it was certainly not a helicopter, not an airplane, not on any airplane pathways at all. And while I had, like say it was just, it was just really odd. And I called the observatory the next night about that.

[00:13:26] And they said, well, you know, young man, we don't have our telescopes pointed in that direction. You know, they're pointing, you know, to the cosmos kind of thing. So, and then this cluster of five things that happened to Steve. In 1970. Very bizarre. It started his father's, uh, you know, uh, three of the family members were down in Southern California and two of them were up in North, uh, central California. Cause they were building a house up there. Yeah. The house in Sonora.

[00:13:53] So the family, sometimes they'd go up there and back and, you know, it was a back and forth thing. One of them was going to school up there and down different schools down here. But anyway, they, um, his father came to breakfast with he and his sister and, um, said that his closet doors had opened and closed by themselves in the middle of the night. And then they just shrugged it off and went back, all went to work.

[00:14:15] And then the second night, the, uh, all three of them hear this bizarre silver bell ringing inside the wall of the living room. The fireplace wall. And, um, then tell them what your, what happened to your mom the same time. That was. As this was happening, you know, all three of us heard the same thing and it went on for, you know, about 10, 15 minutes. Uh, we, you know, we would call, always call my mom and my brother the next morning just to say hi. Because, you know, that's what we do. We did things right.

[00:14:44] And so my mom got on the phone and said, you know, the funniest thing happened, Jeffrey, my dad, that last night I heard this, this ringing, like a silver bell. And I thought it was the phone. And she picked it up and there, there was this, a male bare tone voice on the other end saying, I am the invisible on beachy. Now it could have been old Gleglie. I don't know. But I asked my brother, um, said that the phone ring said, well, I was in the room, but I didn't hear the phone ring.

[00:15:11] But mom certainly picked up the phone and she was trying to have a conversation. So this happened at exactly, exactly the same time that we heard the silver bell in the fireplace wall. And then the next night, uh, make a long story short. I was awakened in the middle of the night by a whizzing sound. And I was in my, my bunk bed on the bottom. And I just thought it was a fan or something like that. And I tried to go back to sleep.

[00:15:38] But then my bed was pushed from the base. And actually this happened three times. By an invisible force. Right. It got more, it got more vigorous each time. First, I thought it was an earthquake, but anyways, after the third time I'm starting to get really nervous. Okay. And then I get tapped on the right deltoid mid shoulder, tap, tap, tap, just like an index finger. And at this point I'm, I'm scared and I'm nervous. And I'm thinking, is somebody playing a prank?

[00:16:07] And I rolled over and I said, what? And there's this shimmery thing in front of me, looking at me. And I just, I just black out, you know, after like a second or two, I just look at it and I just black out. And I told my mom, I told my, my dad and my, my sister at breakfast. Next night, this was the weird, weird part. Okay. It wasn't weird. Okay. All right. The weird part is I was a cabinet maker with my dad.

[00:16:37] I decided to sleep in my work clothes, which I frequently did. So I decided not to sleep in that room. And I slept on the couch in the living room. And I woke up at five 30 in the morning and I was awake. I could move if I wanted, look to my piano, listen to the fountain, the other room. I'm not going to get up at five 30 when it's dark. And from behind me was the front door, 25 feet behind me.

[00:17:01] And there was, it was like, once this entity knew that I was awake, it just turned blue white. This tall, skinny six and a half foot tall entity came from behind me, brought all the blue white light with it. It filled the whole room, not just like a hallway. It filled the whole living room with this intense blue white light, covered the distance in about six and a half to two seconds. Stopped by my right hand side.

[00:17:30] And it paralyzed the right side of my body. And I could, I could move my left hand side if I wanted, but I, I really couldn't because I was kind of scared. My right eye was open. I couldn't close it. So it bent down to me and it whispered into my ear, not inside my head. It said, hi, Steve. Just like that. Oh, no, no, no, no. Just said that. And I hear I'm thinking I'm 18 years of age. Right. And I'm thinking I'm going to see.

[00:17:57] Oh, Glegley, the family spirit guide that I'd heard about. But the other half of me is saying, dude, you can't move. He's excited. You're paralyzed. So I'm both excited and I'm paralyzed and I'm trying to see it and I can kind of get a glimpse of its face or the entity's face. And it's kind of like a tall gray. That's just blue white. And, and then it unbent after, I don't know, two to five seconds or whatever.

[00:18:25] And then basically left, took the light with it. And then I blacked out and I told my dad about it. So anyways, six hours later, it's 1130 in the morning and it's lunchtime. And so I decided to, you know, get some lunch for us. So I pulled the coins out of my right side of my right pocket and put them on the table. And these are all standard coins and every one of them you could pick up by each other. It didn't matter by the face, by the edge, whatever. My dad could do the same thing too.

[00:18:55] These coins were effectively somehow magnetized or they were somehow something that apparently you really can't do. Okay. We surmised that when he was taken, that he was exposed to some very powerful electromagnetic field of some kind, you know. And then the last night was something that I have no memory of. My dad did. Uh, he was awakened by this blue white wall of light outside of my bedroom door.

[00:19:23] And he was being an ex Bobby from 52 to 56 in the old district. He was like, what's, what's all this then type of thing. Right. And so he said, I'm going to, I'm going to find out what the heck is going on. Right. So he was getting out of bed and this voice inside his head said, Jeffrey, just go back to sleep. Nothing to see here. Just go. Everything's fine. And that's what he did. And that's when that, that's going to be scary though. Yeah. We didn't know. We did not know.

[00:19:51] No, we did not know from, from night to night, what was going to happen. Yeah. We honestly did not know. I know, but that's almost like, that's almost, it's like, it's saying, oh, you can trust me. It's fine. Everything will be all right. Just don't worry about it. Which is the type of thing you would say if you're going to do something sinister. Yeah. Right. You know, trust us. We're from the government. Right. Exactly. But the, the thing, the thing with tapping on my shoulder was literally like, you know,

[00:20:19] Hey, Hey, buddy, I want to talk to you, you know, pushing gently on the base of the bed. It wasn't like, it was like, you know, shaking me or like, you know, I didn't have this fear, this feeling of terror, but it was something that was so unusual that. You know, I, you know, when it's like the same thing. Like, I mean, when you get punched in the face, the first time, it's like, you have a plan before you get punched in the face the first time. And then your plans go to hell. You know, it's like, like Mike Tyson said, everybody's got a plan before they get punched in the face.

[00:20:49] It's like, you know, if you're not, but you know, I've had, I've had so many of these weird things happen to me throughout my life, throughout my lifetime that they affect me differently than, than most people. You know, I've had the three knocks behind my head. I've had all kinds of different things happen to me, you know, and I grew up in a family where this type of stuff was not really talked about that much, but it was known. Okay. And they influenced the family on so many levels.

[00:21:17] The, for instance, we, the whole family on Stephen's side is very psychic. Yeah, unfortunately. Turns out that, um, that's one of the criteria that the abductions are looking for. The, uh, Luis Elizondo, the guy who released the, uh, three videos to the New York Times, Go Fast Gimbal and, um, Tic Tac.

[00:21:43] He, uh, he was in charge of the, the, uh, ATIP operation here in the U S and he, he, um, he came out to the media with in 2017 with, um, you know, like as a whistleblower saying, you know, that, uh, we have crashed alien ships and dead alien bodies and, you know, all this stuff. Yeah.

[00:22:04] But he, um, he also told us in his recent book that the, uh, government proved that this connection, this psychic connection, because they did MRI scans of, uh, the brains of abductees and determined that they have the same kind of brains as people with ESP, uh, overdeveloped part of the brain called the, what is it? A parahippocampal gyrus or something? Parahippocampal gyrus. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:22:31] And, uh, and, and, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and, and, and the caudate putamen, which is above the base of ganglia. There are areas that. Developed areas in the brain that prove that there is like the psychic connection. So like they, they approach Steven in the astral realm, in the psychic realm. And the physical realm too. And the physical realm too. But the, the, uh, so he's had phenomenon all through his life. And just recently he had a, another experience.

[00:22:58] I've had, I've had several in the recent, recent past. So, I mean, we could go, we could talk for three hours, four hours maybe about all of the bizarre things that happened to Steven and his family and his life. Well, they're bizarre for most people, but they're not bizarre for me. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, it's your perspective, you know, it's your perspective. So it's, it's funny you mentioned that there though, because I did want to ask, because obviously at the beginning there, you said how you think.

[00:23:25] That's, it's like, you know, they follow families because there's something genetic that they're interested in. I was going to say through your research and any theories that you have, I was going to ask you what you think that could be. And obviously I can say that psychic ability obviously definitely must be one of them. Also. Yes. One of the things that we found very strange about the phenomenon is it tends to be almost entirely a Caucasian phenomenon. Yeah. Right. A high percentage. Yeah. 90.

[00:23:55] Let's say, let's. Yeah. 0.6% of abductees are Caucasian. Yeah. Say at least 90 for sure. Yeah. And so that's, that right there is kind of odd. So we thought, well, why would, why would beings from distant star systems care what, which kind of human DNA they have? Right. Right. And we started changing our theories. For 20 years, we tried to make the model fit the DNA.

[00:24:22] I mean, sorry, the data, the UFO data and the UFO supposed facts were never lining up properly. Right. And then we started looking at it like maybe it's a terrestrial phenomenon. Maybe we're not dealing with aliens here. And as soon as we changed our premise to that idea, suddenly a lot of stuff started making sense. The Nordic aliens, for instance, they're, they're the aliens seen most often.

[00:24:52] 52%. 52% of the time. Yes. And they're the ones that look completely human. You wouldn't, you wouldn't pass them on the street and, and give a second glance. They look like Swedes. They're, they're blonde and tall and blue eyed or green eyed. And good looking. And, and they, um, so we started to think, well, uh, and then there's the Admiral Byrd stories, the Admiral Byrd data. And all of the bizarre stuff going on in Antarkt.

[00:25:22] Well, yeah, just, just quickly to interject for your audience, the, the, uh, the percentage on the, on the earth as far as Caucasians is 16% of the, of the earth's population. Right. Okay. So. So what we surmised finally was that the aliens abducting people and flying UFOs in our skies are not aliens. Right. They're a breakaway branch of the human race that separated from us thousands of years ago. Yeah.

[00:25:50] We think 12,850. Right. The thing we think that caused the schism in the human race is the great flood. Um, the great flood we think really did happen. Well, yeah. There are 1200 separate flood myths in 1200 separate cultures all over the world. So like it's a, a shared event, a worldwide shared events of some kind. Yeah. And, um, almost all these flood myths start the same there.

[00:26:19] We were warned by God or an emissary of God that, uh, a horrible flood is coming. You better build an ark. You better go to high ground or whatever. There was foreknowledge. Yeah. And, um, so we look back in time trying to think what could cause this flood and what could cause the schism. Um, and, um, there was the extinction events of 13,000 years ago. The, um, the, uh, people were wiped out the mastodon, the mammoth.

[00:26:48] In Northern America. In North America. There's a lot of animal, large animals of the plains were wiped out all. Yeah. They're mostly, mostly extinct. And, uh, we discovered the, uh, that there were nanodiamonds, not we personally, but, uh, researchers discovered that there were nanodiamonds in the soil of 13,000 years ago in very high concentration. Which means that it was a celestial impact. Yeah. The Usela was the first one discovered in, uh, in Europe, actually.

[00:27:16] The Usela horizon is a layer of soil, uh, 13,000 year old soil that shows that the, all of the forests of the Northern Hemisphere were on fire at the same time. It's like a layer of charcoal. Yeah. It's been fine. That's been found on four different continents in at least 10 different countries so far.

[00:27:35] So, um, uh, a long story short, the, uh, it turns out that the younger Dryas comet impact has been proven and it hit, uh, Lake Superior 12,850 years ago. Mm-hmm. And would have caused such an enormous cataclysm that we think the human population at the time saw it coming.

[00:28:02] They were more advanced than we give them credit for, obviously. Um, and they had advanced astronomy. We know that from the ancient Sumerians had advanced astronomy. Yeah, yeah. Somebody spotted this comet coming and warned everybody on the planet. And some people took refuge underground, like kind of like that deep impact movie, you know, where. Yeah. President Morgan Freeman sees the asteroid about to destroy everybody. And they. Yeah. The astronomers warn them.

[00:28:30] They sink these, uh, uh, deep underground. They call them arcs in the movie where 50,000 of our brightest and best and all our knowledge and technology would be rescued from the cataclysm. We think that that actually did.

[00:28:46] And, and, and they did it in Europe, of course, and in other countries too that, you know, were, uh, and also to the other thing that also, uh, shined a lot of light on this as being true is that now with DNA and genetics, we, we, we can track that at that time there became what's called a genetic bottleneck. Where the, uh, where our, uh, our, our DNA and our genetics were basically, we were, uh, reduced to about a surface population of about 10,000 individuals.

[00:29:13] So therefore we are actually less diverse than we were, uh, genetically speaking, than we were before the comet impact. And when we should be, you know. Right. We should be more genetically diverse. We should be incredibly diverse. But genetically speaking, but we're not. And that's because we were reduced to a population of such a small population at one point. And the entire population of earth has regenerated from those 10,000 individuals. And they, the stories almost all in the same way of. The flood myths.

[00:29:43] Yeah. Yeah. They almost all in the same way where a, a teacher like a Viracocha or a Quetzalcoatl or whatever you might want to call it for the area. Another representative of God. Would come, would come back and take pity literally on the surface dwellers that were basically back in the caveman era and the hunter gatherer and also cannibalistic and basically reintroduce civilization and crops and laws and mathematics and this kind of stuff.

[00:30:12] And spent time, it was called the golden era when the gods walked amongst men and then they left again. Right. So we think that they, we installed these people underground to survive the cataclysm. They are 12,850 years ahead of us, technologically speaking, because they didn't lose their technology where the rest of us poor people on the surface.

[00:30:37] We got chucked back into the stone age, you know, and we've had to be like clawing back ever since, you know. So that's why they only want Caucasian. They happen to be a branch of the Caucasian race. Right. So they have all kinds of uses. They have a, they have a, have a preference.

[00:31:00] And also for the, the, for the animals of man, you know, like for the United States and even in, even in Great Britain, there's cattle mutilations. I think the first one goes back to 1660. We, we presume that they took cattle and sheep and goats and horses and stuff under the ground with them. And that those herds are becoming non-viable now. Right. And that's why they're taking. Yeah. All the nuclear death. Blood and the sex organs of the animals.

[00:31:29] And for one, for whatever reason, they want the tongue and the eye too, you know, and all the blood. They desanguinate the animals. Yeah. They exsanguinate all of them. Yeah. Oh, exsanguinate. Yeah. Not desanguinate. So that's why, and, and, and, you know, the Admiral Byrd stuff really caught our attention. And there's a lot of stuff going on in Antarctica that corroborate his stories. Liam might want to ask a, you know, question here. Sure. You have a question?

[00:32:01] I've got hundreds. I'm sure you do. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't even know where to start. Um, what, one thing I have been wondering because. I think it was our, our second ever episode that we did. We did all about aliens and UFOs and abductions and stuff. And something I found and I've looked into again a few more times because I thought, I thought it was really strange.

[00:32:28] So, and this is, this is why I was excited to have you on because this, when I was looking into this, it always just seemed really weird and I didn't understand the point of it. So I think the things that I've seen is that people who have been abducted or however you want to word it, uh, end up with, I've heard it called scoop marks. And best way I can describe it. Like when you get a chicken pock and you pick it and end up with a little scar and stuff like me and Billy, like we both said, well, what, what, what's all that about? What's, what's, what's that for? Why?

[00:32:58] I think it's the tracking devices. A scoop mark? Yeah. There's a little scoop mark with a lot of the tracking devices. Nice. He had one in his shoulder, but, uh. Well, actually, yeah, it was in my deltoid. Yeah. Which is just below the shoulder. He broke his, uh, he, he injured his shoulder. And when they took an x-ray. Yeah. There's a little rice. It looks like a kernel of rice inside his deltoid made out of metal. And, uh, it was right where the alien tapped his shoulder.

[00:33:26] In 1979 when I was 18. Yeah. The only reason we found out that was because that I almost lost the use of my right arm. Yeah, don't go into that. An injury, but yeah. But yeah. The, the, the radiologist had no idea what it was because it was nowhere close to where bones should be. Yeah. And he said, this is showing up not, you know, so I don't know what it is, you know. People do report, um, abductees do report minor injuries sometimes. Sometimes radiation burns, electromagnetic radiation burns. Um. I didn't get any of that. No, he didn't get that.

[00:33:56] But, uh, little minor injuries looking like they may have tried to fight off their, uh, uh, abductors at one point. Mm. But I think they have the ability to knock you out. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. To dampen your consciousness. Because I think. Well, that's obvious. Yeah. Because his father, you know, uh, they, I think they knocked him out when he was in bed. Right? He, it's not like he's going to believe the alien voice to make mind. No, he was, he was, he was getting, he was getting, he was getting out of bed. Yeah. And then, you know, they're numerous.

[00:34:26] We could go. Yeah. There's, there's too many, too many actual occurrences to go into. Mm. But the scoop mark, I, I don't, I don't recall that. Um, I don't recall. I do. I've read it. I read it. I don't recall that for myself. Mm. Mm. I just, I just, I just remember the first, the first time I seen it. Cause I remember me and Billy, when we were speaking about it, we're both just like, that it's just, it's so random, but like, because, because they're so small sometimes as well.

[00:34:54] And it's just like, it shows that maybe humans aren't complete idiots that they've, that, you know, we've managed to make that connection between it because I mean, I mean, I, I am an idiot and I would not make any sort of connection between things like that. So it's, it's, it's just crazy. Uh, something else. If people want proof that this is a real phenomenon, those little tracking devices are it. I mean, I've met people, I, I met a ufologist who had a Petri dish full of like 20 of them,

[00:35:23] you know, that he'd taken out of, they had taken out of different abductees, but, uh, these things, they're, they're coated in flesh so that they're the, the body doesn't reject them. Right. But, um, on deep on the inside, when they put under electron microscopes, there are tiny micro circuitry. Yeah. Yeah. Generally like in a stack of eight, like at a line.

[00:35:45] And when they're inside the body, they give off a, um, a signal, uh, like 1.6 Hertz signal. But when they're removed from the body, they, uh, signal changes to a different Hertz. It's like once it's taken out. It's no longer transmitting. It knows it's taken out and it, or, well, it transmits the, I've been taken out, you know, a single instead of the, I'm still in place where I'm supposed to be signal. Yeah.

[00:36:14] The problem is like with science, it's like, you know, until, until mainstream science basically, uh, admits or basically, you know, says, okay, we're going to study this. It's like, you know, you know, project blue book, you know, the first thing that came out of after project, you know, grudge, it was a, it was an attempt or it was a placation, um, of the American population to say, we're going to like look into this.

[00:36:39] They had, uh, age Allen, uh, a, uh, uh, uh, Heinrich, um, J. Allen Hynek was in charge of that. And in the beginning, he was a total UFO skeptic. And by the time he got done with the project, he became a definitely a UFO believer and became, uh, you know, he, he did a lot of presentations because the information just didn't add up. The cycle didn't add up to us that, you know, and, but also to the thing about them coming from distant star systems or whatever else.

[00:37:08] So that didn't add up either. I mean, they have a preference for RH negative blood, four out of 10 are RH negative preference for green eyed people preference for, you know, for 16% of the population where 19% of the 90% of time to take Caucasians. And also to the historical data, you know, and, uh, the population, you know, the genetic bottleneck and you sell a horizon and all these, you know, things you can measure that

[00:37:37] basically support the fact that they, and also to the breeding, you know, that you have to be like 99.97% the same to be able to have a viable offspring that you can, that, that will actually produce something that can breed, you know, you know, you know, our closest, our closest relatives here are the bonoba chimps. And we could, we could know, we could know, we couldn't breed with them. Right. It's not, not even possible. So that's the breeding program.

[00:38:06] Um, about, um, 10%, it's actually a little more like, uh, almost 11% of people who are abducted are women who are taken impregnated. And then four months later taken again, and the fetus is stolen. Right. And this sometimes happens to these women multiple times through their lives. One, one woman I saw, uh, that had happened to her four times.

[00:38:36] Right. And people are responding or, um, claiming that they're having sex with aliens and getting pregnant. So I'm sorry if you're having sex with us and making babies, you know, you have to be human. Right. Otherwise, otherwise you'll produce, it's like, you know, a tiger and a lion, you know, you get, they're, they're basically sterile, you know? Yeah. Or like, you know, the donkeys, you know, you know, you get these, you know, just sorry, mules. I'm sorry.

[00:39:05] Mules are the ones that are, mules can't reproduce. Right. And they're that close. They're that close genetically, but they're not quite close enough. So, and, and also too, it's like what we say here, the means opportunity and motive, like the mom theory, like in, like in, uh, you know, forensics and that kind of stuff. It's like, what would their, what would their, um, motive be and their opportunity and their means? They definitely have the means and the motive is that, Hey, we've done 2000 nuclear

[00:39:35] detonations, um, you know, USA and all other countries since 1945. And if they live here, I think that would be getting their attention. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, so, um, a lot of people ask, uh, if the government, you know, is involved and what we believe is in 1941, um, one of these UFO ships crashed in, uh, Cape Girardeau, Missouri.

[00:40:01] And it, um, it didn't have the same media circus leak that caused the Roswell incident, but, um, they quickly grabbed the evidence and took it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Right. And, uh, later they created Area 51 to start studying the secret base, to start studying these crashed ships that they were, they were accumulating. They've, there's about 20 crashes in the U.S.

[00:40:31] in, uh, we believe that gave them. Yes. At least. Yeah. This information. And then there was, of course, the crashed ship that happened in the Alps of, of Italy. In 39. 37, 37. I'm sorry. Uh, and so, uh, that's when Hitler started doing this coat, the, uh, combing of the Queen Magdalen coast of Antarctica. Right. Uh, he had U-boats going up and down and up and down the coast in the late thirties.

[00:41:00] And it was like all, all these resources coming out of the, uh, Tierra del Fuego and, uh, the bottom of, uh, you know, South America. There was, it was, it was known. Yeah. He, at one point, one of his U-boat captains was quoted in the media saying, I have found a paradise under the ice for mine Fura and mine homeland kind of thing. Right. Right. And so we think that they, um, made contact with the, this race living under the ice sheet of Antarctica. Yeah. They call themselves the Ariane. Yeah.

[00:41:30] And, um, so after World War II, the U.S. intelligence believed that there was a Nazi base under the ice sheet for this reason. Living in Antarctica for sure. And so we sent Admiral Byrd and Operation High Jump down there to destroy this base. And, uh, what happened to the, the armada was that they were attacked by flying saucers that came up out of the ocean. Yeah. Shot the U.S. Yeah.

[00:41:59] Shot at them and, uh, sank one ship and downed half their carrier based aircraft. Killed a number of men. Killed dozens of men and then plunged back into the ocean. Now we believe that Admiral Byrd didn't want to go back to Washington and say, I got my butt kicked by flying saucers that I know nothing about. Right. So, uh, we think he then got in his plane and flew over to the Queen Maudland coast and discovered

[00:42:27] With a few, with a few people. With a crew. But they discovered a giant hole in the ice sheet that has since been, um, corroborated by a, uh, whistleblower. Right. Um, he flew down into the, uh, the underworld of the Ariane, met with the master. Uh, so all of this, what I would have thought was a lovely myth. Right.

[00:42:53] But there's been a lot of corroborating evidence coming out about Antarctica. Like the quick melting of the, the Western ice sheet and the, uh, what was the, uh, the satellite to, um, the Anita data. He shot up a, an antenna to, uh, read cosmic rays, but instead of cosmic rays coming from outside the world, it was coming up from the ice sheet. Right. And this happened twice.

[00:43:19] And there's a lot of, uh, pyramids kind of, as, as the ice sheet melts, there's these pyramid structures pointing up out of the ice sheet. Yeah. The Western ice sheet is, is, is melting way too quickly. And there's the whistleblower testimony, the, the giant hole in the ice sheet. There's also this one guy said he saw, he entered an alien base down in, uh, that area that was 72 degrees inside and, and with green hieroglyphics glowing on the walls and stuff like that.

[00:43:48] So, so, uh, we have a lot of things pointing to Antarctica as being a real underground base. And in this meeting that Byrd had with them, they said the reason why they're doing this. They said, normally we have nothing to do with you surface people and your barbaric wars. They think of us as barbarians, but, um, because you've learned to crack the atom. Now we have to get involved.

[00:44:15] This is a power you shouldn't have anything to do with your, it's not, you don't have the technology to control it. You don't have the emotional capacity to deal with it. And so we think that that's literally what their worry is. They're worried that we're going to blow up the world and kill them too, because they live here with us too. And, um, that's why they're following our military. Absolutely. Every single time. Yeah. That's, that's, that's a, that's a hundred percent.

[00:44:44] Right. Yeah. And they show a lot of interest in our nukes. They, they UFOs just basically park themselves outside our nuclear facilities all the time. Yeah. Let's look at Liam. You had a question just to make a little bit lighter things there. So is that you guys saying we should not be worried about world war three? Well, I think the aliens are trying to help us not blow ourselves up. That's, that's a good sign.

[00:45:10] Well, they, they have shown the ability to build a turnoff our nukes, like the Malmstrom, you know, which again, you know, I was watching a documentary the other day where you can tell it's government funded, where they're just trying to, you know, uh, hearsay and they're trying to use things like secondary information. They're trying to debunk stuff that was literally has been proven to have happened. Okay. Saying, Oh, it was just a power outage that they all went off at once.

[00:45:38] These, these 10 different nukes went off at once in 1967. Really a power outage would have, we, the government would have built something with ICBMs that would be so, uh, subjective and so, so easily affected by a power outage, you know, you don't have a generator backup. Yeah. And then all, then, then all, all the, the, the, the missile guys that were like manning the stuff, they're all lying or they all got things wrong. It's just amazing. In this country, we, we're the ones right now.

[00:46:08] We're the ones who are trying to not have disclosure. We, it's us. We think that, um, Eisenhower met with the Nordic aliens and, uh, you know, we have some corroborating stuff, the stories about that. Um, and, uh, there is some evidence for it because, uh, Eisenhower came to California for a golf, supposedly a golf tournament. Palm Springs.

[00:46:35] And then was evacuated to a dentist for a dental emergency and it was gone for the whole day. Right. But, um, it turns out that he never had this dental procedure that the, so probably to have had and, um, whistleblower testimony tells us that he instead flew to Edwards Air Force Base where they met with the, the, uh, Nordic aliens.

[00:47:02] And they agreed, I think at this meeting, they agreed to keep the secret quiet. And, um, so right after that project, blue book, uh, ostensibly created to study the phenomenon was really there. It's a cover story to tamp it down to, uh, whenever a sighting would happen in America back in the fifties, they 60s, 70s, eighties. Yeah.

[00:47:27] They would send these men and black guys to first interview everybody and get all the pertinent data for themselves, but then, um, start this ridicule campaign first ridicule to make embarrassed people into silence. Yep. Then, um, sometimes threats, if they wouldn't be silent after that, they'd threaten to kill their families. And if that didn't work, there would be, sometimes there would be consequences.

[00:47:54] Like they'd get them fired from their jobs or some, some, some punishment of some tax audit. And, uh, then of course, in a worst case scenario where they just couldn't shut them up and they were too high profile, they would actually murder people. There've been several examples of that. Yeah. Just keep this secret. And so our government wants to keep it secret. They're working hard towards that end and they still are the new facility, the new arrow,

[00:48:21] uh, program organization, the arrow program. Um, they're just trying to get, they're just trying to talk people out of their witness testimony. They're trying to, uh, they're punishing whistleblowers. Yeah. It's the same old dance that we've been dealing with. Just different tune. Just different tune. The same dance. There's no disclosure coming anytime soon. I think none of it's up to our government anyway.

[00:48:48] No, you see, I think like regarding governments and disclosure and stuff, I think that's, I think that's one thing that they're all aligned on. If you know what I'm saying? Like, I think cause everyone, everyone I was talking about, you know, like a world government and stuff. And I think when it, when it comes to certain things, we do have that. And when it, when it comes to stuff like this, I fully believe that because like I said, there's, there's, there's too much into it all for it, for them not to be in.

[00:49:16] Like you say, things like the men in black and stuff like that, that, that kind of stuff has to be worldwide. It's not just, it's not just in one place. So yeah. And like what you say, what, what are the chances? Like I say, so if I say the U S government, they don't want anything, anything being said, but let's say the UK government does. Why the hell aren't we? Right. So it's like, to me, that's where the, that's the only thing that everyone's on the same page for.

[00:49:42] Well, you know, and when they're not, uh, we cause pressure to happen. For instance, um, there was a incident in Mexico, uh, a Mexican pilot saw nine UFOs flying in formation and, you know, videotaped them and, you know, had a, it was a legitimate, uh, UFO sighting and they were, the Mexican government. The government was being vocal about it and coming out about it, talking about it. And then the next thing we know that the U S government exerted pressure on them and

[00:50:12] they just shut up. And the Chilean government is very, yeah. They, they actually, they actually encourage people to make UFO reports, including the military. And, uh, you know, it's the same kind of, it's, it's similar. It's similar. And that though, it's not very common where the governments are willing to participate in this, you know, they're, they're more, uh, more like ours. We had, we had in the, we had this a couple of years ago here that the, our U S government

[00:50:39] came out and said that we, we admit that these things are real. We just don't know what they are. You know, that's, that's as close as they came that this phenomena is real. And then when, when, uh, arrow came in, into, uh, into power that took over from a tip, they're saying now, Oh, well, we're just, uh, not acknowledging it at all. We're not acknowledging their, their, uh, their being, you know, and then people that came out in Congress that were the whistleblowers.

[00:51:07] Some of them have been, you know, definitely directly threatened. Elizondo, he lost his job or lost his house, you know, um, all because he came out and said he wanted to do the right thing. People have died because of this. Uh, Phil Schneider, um, the guy, the cop. Yeah. Right. Forrestal. You know, people have died, you know, and like. Really? He strangled himself with a rubber hose. Really? Phil Schneider? Really? You're going to take a rubber hose to strangle yourself?

[00:51:37] If your audience doesn't know who Phil Schneider is, um, Phil Schneider was a, uh, engineer contracted by the U.S. government to expand, um, this secret underground base, uh, that the U.S. has. The Archuleta Mesa one? Called the Dulce base, you know, under the Archuleta Mesa near Dulce, New Mexico. He was, uh, contracted to help expand the size of this base.

[00:52:04] And, um, they were working away and accidentally a wall came down that wasn't supposed to come down. Mm-hmm. And on the other side of this wall was a bunch of aliens. He said they were tall greys and reptiloids. And he, on his side, they had a bunch of green berets. And so the next thing you know, they're involved in a firefight with these aliens underground. And Phil Schneider got three of his fingers blown off. And, uh, this one, several people were killed.

[00:52:34] And, uh, he went around the country talking about it. He started doing lectures and appearances. You can, you can find them on, uh, on YouTube. Talking about his, his experiences. And the next, and then the next thing we know, he's dead in, uh, his apartment with a rubber tubing wrapped around his neck. Yeah. And they called it a suicide. Like, who in the, who in the history of time has killed himself? And then, then, then who was, who was the, the, the cop or the detective from Los Angeles

[00:53:04] who was a remote? Price? Pat Price, yes. Uh-huh. I think, uh, there's another guy that was killed. Oh yeah. Yeah. He was the remote viewing guy. Actually, Elizondo had met him before he died, you know? Really? Yeah, because Elizondo became a remote viewer. And as soon as he became a remote viewer, he started getting visitations by these little round, uh, orbs that would, you know, come at night. He and his wife were freaked out about that. It's, you know, he opened up that part of the brain and I guess he, he attracted attention

[00:53:34] or whatnot. Yeah. But he, he would have the guys, you know, the guys in black sitting out of his house, sitting outside his house in, in cars, you know, watching him. And this guy, he was like, you know, like E15 or something in the, in the government. I mean, he was like in charge of the ATEP program. Yeah. I've been the, uh. Yeah. So he was like, you know, and then, you know, because he, because he released this stuff, he, he basically said, you know, hit the road, Jack, you know? So. Yeah. And they're still doing it.

[00:54:02] They're still punishing whistleblowers and, uh. Oh yeah, 100%. Not releasing video that we know they have. Miles and videos, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Cause I've been, I've been thinking recently, uh, this might sound a bit out there and a bit far fetched, but I'm starting to think that maybe like some, some of the people that you see a lot more of, I'm starting to wonder if they're sort of maybe actors, if you know what I'm saying.

[00:54:27] They're saying like, yeah, just, just, just saying enough to keep certain people interested. But like you said, like not a lot happens to them, but then the ones that go a little bit too, they're the ones that we have, you know, that you don't see anymore. Right. You can only reveal certain parts of the mask, but not the whole mask. And if you're like taking off the whole mask or revealing other people's, no, no, that's you're too dangerous.

[00:54:52] That's no, honestly, we worry about that sometimes ourselves because, uh, you know, uh, I mean, I, I know what I've experienced in my family and, you know, I, I've, I have my, my own pedigree with, you know, I've, I've been every, everything from in the military for six years to being a doctor of acupuncture and a lifelong musician and a Tai Chi practitioner. I've done all these things. So I'm not an idiot by any stretch. And I, I have all this stuff in, in the background for my family.

[00:55:20] And I wish I really had asked them a lot more questions before they died. They were actually quite reluctant to talk about it. It was trying to pull information out of them was difficult, you know? Yeah, it was, you know, we've really had to extract the, several of their bizarre, more bizarre experiences. Right. And then I wanted to talk, um, before we finish up today, I wanted to tell you about the hair of the alien.

[00:55:45] Our, our theories, um, one of the many things I like about our theories is it doesn't require theoretical physics. Right. To, to be real. Uh, we don't need faster than light travel. They're here already. We don't need wormholes. They're here already. We don't need time travel or interdimensional travel. All these things that maybe are real and maybe aren't. It's just good old fashioned human engineering and engineering.

[00:56:13] Or stuff that is basically not completely, uh, you know, possible theoretically, you know, things like, you know, wormholes there. Yeah. They're theoretically possible, but yes. Do we have one? Has anyone seen one? You know, how close would it be to like a landing point for the earth? Things like that. So our solar system, they still have to travel all the way from there. And the closer you get to this, the, the speed of light, the shorter you become and the heavier you become too. So you literally, so it's, it's like, it would be dangerous to do it anyway.

[00:56:44] So. But then, um, another thing that finally kind of proved our point. It's funny because all of this was in like a single hair, but a man was, um. In Australia. He lived in a near Sydney, Australia. And he awoke in the middle of the night to two alien hybrid looking women in his bed. Lucky guy. They, they paralyzed him and, and, uh, had sex with him. And I, I proposed it still rape. Okay.

[00:57:15] Yeah, definitely. And so, uh, they raped this poor guy. And the next morning he awakens to find these, uh, one of the aliens had white hair and he wakes us to find these two white hairs in his bed. Two white hairs. Right. And he got, I think it was two and he got them genetically tested. And, uh, they are not of a human type in that they're perfectly clear. And there is no known human hair type.

[00:57:44] That's perfectly clear. So these are a mutated hair type if it's human, but sure enough, it tests out as human. A bizarre, a bizarre, uh, grouping of human. It's a bizarre mix. It was a Basque and Gaelic and a Chinese. A Mongolian. Mongolian. A part, a subset of the Chinese population, only 1% of the population. Right. That is a strange combination.

[00:58:13] It is a very strange combination. Yeah. So this one hair is proving that we're dealing with humans and we're dealing with mutants. Yeah. This one hair. Yeah. But of course you don't mean mutants in like, you know, a, uh, you know. Well, they've mutated from us enough to have clear hair. Right. Which I propose would be a mutation you might expect to see in a subsurface population. Yeah.

[00:58:43] That no longer has to have melanin in their hair to protect us from the sun. Nature will select to not have to have that protection. Just like the, the lack of body hair that is always noticed on, on the gray aliens, you know, the, the lack of body or the enlarged eyes, which you'd also have to, if you're a subsurface for long periods of time, different diet. Of course they would have to have a different diet, you know, and you know, the, the, the,

[00:59:08] I don't know what the decrease in the mouth size is all about, but they do definitely seem to have the ability across the board to telepathy, which is basically the most basic way of communicating anyway. It's like, you don't use it. And telepathy in, in our experience is a human birthright. Yeah, it is. It's something that we have allowed to atrophy in our cell. The appendix of the brain. But our, our, we call them cousins.

[00:59:35] We don't call them aliens, but our alien cousins, we think that it is not atrophied in them. Yeah. And so, yes, physically they're the same as us. They're close enough to breed with us anyway. Right. But, um, we think culturally they're, they're miles away from us. Right. What would a culture become if they could all read each other's minds? Right. You know, would they, you'd start to weed out the antisocial people in your, in your, uh.

[01:00:05] A whole different mindset. Literally a whole different mindset. Yes, exactly. You would, uh, you'd probably become more, uh, uh, kinder to your, to your, uh, you know, your offspring and to your friends. You know, it just, it's just a different thing. And also too, your resources would be different. You know, also too, you'd be breeding a, uh, generation of agoraphobes after a couple of generations.

[01:00:32] The, you know, your, the, your grant, your grandkids would be saying, well, okay, now the surface becomes like the scary place, like going into space. Okay. But you know, they, it's just like, you know, adaptability, the, the, the, the, the humanoids, you know, we are very adaptable. You know, you can have something say, oh, wow, I can't believe that happened. And then a week later you're, you grow accustomed to it. We do it all the time. No great, great tragedies happen. And we just adapt. We just adapt.

[01:00:59] It doesn't matter what it is, an earthquake, a tsunami, uh, whatever. We just adapt. And people ask why they would have gone underground, but not come back to the surface. Right. And the answer to that is after the cataclysm, there was, uh, the younger Dryas boundary is laid down after the Ucello horizon. It's 1100 years of, of showing drastic climate upheavals. Right. From caused by the comet impact.

[01:01:29] Primarily the, uh, Northern Hemis, you know, in the, primarily the Northern Hemis. You wouldn't have been able to grow crops in the Northern Hemisphere for 500 years or something like that. It was, it was that bad. We had to revert just to survive. The few survivors had to revert back to hunter gatherers in order to, to survive and, uh, did. That's why we are started. That's why 13,000 years ago, we were still a hunter gatherer population.

[01:01:56] And, you know, that's something too, like, uh, mainstream archeology would have us all believe that we became Homo sapiens sapien about 120,000 years ago. And then sat around for 107,000 years doing nothing, doing nothing, not even inventing the house. And then suddenly 13,000 years ago, we just decide, damn it.

[01:02:27] Let's, let's build a society and go to the moon. Let's invent the wheel and make some tools and things like that. You know, do we seem like the kind of people that would sit around for 107,000 years, not advancing? You know, that makes no sense to us. It's much more logical that we, we, we came, became a technological civilization that was then destroyed back into maybe more than once too. We don't know. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

[01:02:56] Well, it's crazy. Cause like I, I often think about this now it's like, because like, I think it's a famous quote from somewhere that's a, that like an iPhone now has the same amount of power in it as all the computers used to send the first spaceship to the moon and stuff. And it's just like, that was, that was only in, that was only in like the sixties. Like, how have we gone that far that fast? Yeah. A lot of it we think is reverse engineered technology. And also definitely.

[01:03:28] And they've been giving us drips and drabs of things like, you know, what's it called? The microchip, the micro strip and the fiber optics, Velcro, Kevlar, Kevlar things. Reverse engineered discoveries. Right. Exactly. So yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. You look at what NASA was doing, but they were still using slide rules, but they still will say they were able to work out the mathematics. And you know, you believe it or not in America, cause we're pretty stupid over here.

[01:03:57] I'm just going to say it. Okay. We're pretty stupid. All right. All right. We're pretty dumb. All right. Still 10%, 10% of Americans believe that the, um, that the earth is flat. We got 10% of 300 million people. Yes. Yeah. Got 35 million that believe that the earth is flat. You got 12%, which is about 40 plus million believe that, um, what's the other thing to that? That we didn't land on the moon. Oh, that we didn't land on the moon.

[01:04:28] That it was all fake. And I've talked to people who worked in the space program and they are incensed by this, you know, Buzz Aldrin, Buzz Aldrin, you know, bless his heart. And he says, are you kidding me? We were being, we were being followed by these, uh, you know, that was something weird. Yeah. Yeah. He finally came out after 50 years saying we were being followed on the way to the moon. Yeah. He's close to death's door. So he finally just came out and said, yeah, we were followed all the way to the moon by this slide. There are all kinds of things.

[01:04:57] You know, it makes me think that maybe our alien cousins think it thought it was maybe adorable. Like we're taking our first baby steps, you know, and it's like, aren't they cute? And their little rattled trap, you know, yeah. Saying, you know, it was like literally rattled when it was, uh, you know, when it's taking off. But it's like that big pit. People always say, well, if we went then, why have we never been back? Like, but it's like, I've had a lot of people say, well, there's no need to, there's no,

[01:05:26] there's nothing there. It's just a big rock. Like there's no need to go back there. Yeah. But now the Chinese and we've discovered, we've discovered, uh, we'd sub hydrogen three, which is like the one, a fantastic, uh, a source of, uh, fuel that could fuel the whole city with very little, there's tons of hydrogen three on the moon and they found water at the poles and other places. They actually make rocket fuel with water. And the Chinese have, have landed, uh, have landed one or two spacecraft there at the

[01:05:56] South pole. I think they're trying to claim the South pole for themselves. Water is. You know, it's like deep craters. So there is water, there is water on the moon. Okay. You know, so the thing is like, you know, Congress and, you know, uh, the general public, unfortunately, if you don't give the general public enough information, they're going to say, well, why should, why should, uh, we pay another few billion dollars to, uh, go back there and get some more moon rocks? I mean, what are we getting out of it?

[01:06:25] And that's really what it came up. It became a budgetary type thing. And now, of course, now we're trying to get to the moon and claim, you know, some certain areas like the dark side of the moon. There is this, um, uh, uh, uh, what's his name? Uh, Hayland or Highland or what's his guy's name? The, uh, astrophysicist that said about the tower on the dark side of the moon, Richard Hoagland. Hoagland. Richard Hoagland. Sorry. There are these pictures.

[01:06:51] There are these, yeah, there, there are these pictures that were taken by, I think it was Russian, um, uh, rockets that were going around back in the seventies or the eighties. And there's definitely this structure. There are structures on them. There's a structure that is literally like, it's like five times taller than the tallest structure that we have here. No, it's like, like a couple miles tall and it's not a natural phenomenon. Uh, it's actually something that it was, it looks like it was physically built.

[01:07:21] And so, you know, we, we have this information, but again, like if we tell the general public that there are bases on the moon on the dark side and that there's. We think there are bases on Mars and Phobos. I mean, um, uh, uh, Phobos is one of the moons of Mars and, uh, this one, uh, uh, probe was, was trying to, was about to like land on it or, you know, come close to it. And, uh, it got shot down.

[01:07:49] They see a flash of, first they see this artificial structure on the, on the moon. On Phobos. Flash. And it goes dark after that. So they shot it down, you know? Uh, so they, they are obviously 10,000 years ahead of us technologically. Well, 12,850 to be exact. Yeah. Ahead of us. And so we think that they, we think that they've spread to different parts of our solar system.

[01:08:15] And, uh, they certainly have mother ships that have been spotted that can cloak. Uh, you know, so there's these large ships in our airspace that are cloaked. Um, sometimes we know that. Yeah. You know, and they, they're not malevolent nexus necessarily, but they kind of need us. They need us for our genetics because I think that because of our, of our experiments with nukes, like even North Korea and China and Russia and ourselves, all these unnecessary,

[01:08:43] uh, detonations of nuclear and hydrogen bombs. It's just like, okay. Pissing them off. Well, it's, it's also, it's also making their existence, you know, uh, less tenable. You know, they just basically, it's, it's, it's poisoning, it's poisoning the earth. And, you know, their, their, their, their story is always the same thing. When they meet people, they say, take better care of the planet and stop using nukes. It's always the same.

[01:09:09] Whenever our alien cousins get their message across to us, it, it frequently is on those two themes. Yeah. Either take better care of the planet and stop using nukes. And why would they care? If they were coming here from distant star systems, who cares if we blow ourselves up? Right. Well, okay. Maybe, maybe they're all hippies from the sixties. Yeah. Sure. Maybe somebody would have the altruistic caring enough that we don't blow ourselves up, but

[01:09:39] would they commit the kind of resources we're talking about? They're following our military every single time we go out on maneuvers, you know, and not just our military, but the Russians and the Chinese and anybody with nukes, they're following. That's right. Yeah. Well, that's an enormous commitment of resources. Pardon? That's what I think is funny when we're talking about nukes there. Obviously the film Oppenheimer that came out recently. Of course. It got loads of praise and everything.

[01:10:07] And you say it was a good movie. But I think I was one of very few people who after watching it, I mean, I knew the basics of the story, but I was like, why did they fucking let him do that? I was like, that's not, that's not a good idea. I was depressed after watching that movie actually. Yeah. I was like, that's not a good idea. Like this clearly isn't going to end well. Didn't he say, didn't he say something like today I become death or something like that?

[01:10:35] Or it's a quote from a Sanskrit text. It's like, yeah, I am, I am become death to bring the destroyer of worlds. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It is. You know, it's true. We, uh, one little human. No, we, we don't, you know, we all have the seven deadly sins and some more than, you know, others, but you know, we're, we're like, we're like children playing with a toy that

[01:11:02] we shouldn't be playing with something that can kill us and kill everybody else. And we just, it's just proof that just because someone's a genius doesn't mean the smart. That's right. That's right. You can be a genius and be a fucking idiot. That's right. And still an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. We call it no good horse. Yeah. Um, yeah. Time.

[01:11:29] You know, our, our, uh, you have, you have, you have the, uh, the, the short course. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, uh, the, uh, we think that all of the aliens pipes have actually, come from the human race rather than the other way around. Right. Because they're upright walking. The only thing that walks upright on this planet is us, Bigfoot and the alien.

[01:11:59] Everything else, you know, this is a, an evolutionary step that we had to pay a long, long price to achieve. Mm-hmm. It's not given to just everybody this ability to walk perfectly upright. And, uh, all the, every single one of the alien types. Yeah. Yeah. Are bipedal, perfectly upright walking hominids with the same skeletal structure as we have. Right.

[01:12:29] Even the weirdest ones, like the, the insectoids that people. Yeah. You got the feline shoes supposedly. The skeletal structure is up. There's, there's so much, so much disinformation. Like you're talking earlier about actors that are like, you know, it's like the lie sandwich. Okay. You got a lie with a little bit of truth in the middle with a lie on the outside. So you got your lie sandwich. Okay. So they're basically out there disinformation. You know, Bob Lazar, who came forward about area 51 back in the eighties and the nineties,

[01:12:59] man, they tried to silence this guy. And they taught, said that he never even worked for the government, never got a degree, all this type of stuff. Right. His work history. He talked to talk about element one 15, as far as being the drive for UFOs. Turns out that he was right. Turns out that he actually did work for the government. You know, years and years later, decades, decades later, he's been nothing, nothing but corroboration. He's been corroborated as being the real deal.

[01:13:29] Yeah. More whistleblowers saying the same thing. More whistleblowers saying. Yeah, exactly. And it's, it turns out he was right about element one 15. Yeah. It's just like, come on. His description of the ships that they're utilized, they have a technology that is gravity emitters. The ships, they have, the ship he worked on had three of them. One of them pointed down and two of them pointed forward. Their engines are on the forward of their ship.

[01:13:58] Ours are in the back. Right. Yeah. The gravity emitter that points down is what causes the ship to lift. And then the two emitters in the front create a gravity bubble. Right. And that's, and then the ship's supposed to like kind of fall into it. And then achieve. It's like kind of going down a wave. Yeah. Kind of going down this gravity wave. And they, that's why they don't make a sonic boom when they travel these immense speeds.

[01:14:26] UFOs have been clocked. The fastest that we've heard about it. That's right. Right. Uh, clocked was 72,000 miles an hour. Jesus. This is a, this is an order of magnitude ahead of our technology. Not even close. It's not the Russians. Believe me. It's not the Russians. It's not the Chinese. Like I said, this is an, uh, you know, an, uh, technology of magnitude ahead of ours. Like, uh. Yeah.

[01:14:53] And they're, they're not, of course, the laws of like, uh, they, uh, basically cancels out inertia. You have a nurse basically because they do that, they cancel out inertia. So I can say, if you stop and make angular turns and you're still like the laws of inertia are still affecting you against the wall, it would not just that your, your equipment will also would be this destroyed, you know? So yeah. So they, they have a way, they just have different technology. They have different technology and it's not like to be scared about them out there.

[01:15:21] The, the thing to be scared about them is that they actually need us for our genetic material. That's the thing, you know, for them to survive, they actually still need us. That's what we found. Not gentle. You know, when I, uh, when I was a kid, uh, I was a big sci-fi fan and Star Trek and I wanted to travel the galaxy and, and, uh, if aliens came, I would be the first person to put up a sign saying, take me, you know, I want to go. Right.

[01:15:50] But now that we've researched the phenomenon and we know what they do do to people, uh, we can't recommend the experience. You know, they, they do surgery on you with no anesthetic. They don't care if you're terrified and screaming and, and, uh, they're not nice about it. Let me put it. Well, relatively, they were relatively, they were fairly nice with me. Well, you don't know.

[01:16:16] Cause, uh, we haven't been able to regress Steven into those blackout periods. We've tried. That's true. The block is too firmly in place and God knows what was happening to him in these. Well, I, I know, I know they probably, how, how, how, how would you go about trying to do that then? What, what, what have you tried to do that? That's interesting. Yeah. I guess, I guess hypnosis or something like that.

[01:16:40] You know, I, the only time I've been hypnotized when I was 19 years old on my 19th birthday in 1979. And, uh, it was in a club and, uh, this lady, uh, Pat Collins. She was the hypnotist of the stars at the time. Sunset and Doheny and, uh, in Los Angeles. And, uh, I went to her with my girlfriend at the time and, uh. They successfully hypnotized him on stage.

[01:17:07] But since then, we've been trying to break through this, this, uh, barrier. But, you know, there's a big trauma on the other side. When people are successfully regressed, they frequently wake up screaming, you know? And they're terrible. Yeah. Well, you know, we did the light as a, you know, you know, stiff as a board, light as a feather. You know, you can't feel like, you know, fire. And then of course, you know, there was nine of us on the stage and I was the ninth one.

[01:17:34] And in some ways she asked me, you know, she was wearing this big garish muumuu with a lot of garish makeup. Right. And, uh, so she said, you know, ask my name and my girlfriend said, Steven, you know? And so, and she said, okay, Steven, uh, I want you to imagine me, uh, naked. Okay. And so I, I literally, I didn't think I could be hypnotized for one thing. Right. But I was hypnotized. It was like this veil came down over me and a totally different thing. Right.

[01:18:01] And so I looked at her and I saw her naked and I just busted up. I just completely just laughed my head off, you know, because she, she was overweight and she was, you know, she had this really weird makeup on and it's muumuu. And then she made me, she, I guess she does that to like find out who she's going to make fun of on stage, you know, for the show. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:18:23] So she, so she had me sing this, she had me sing this song about getting my penis back from a, from a pretty girl in the front audience and on to turn into a secret agent running around the stage. And it's like, you know, and it was like, but it's like, you know, I, I couldn't, you know, couldn't do anything about it. I was just, I was hypnotized. I was when I was 19.

[01:18:45] But we just haven't, like I said, this, this trauma that's blocking the memories is just, it's too, it's ingrained. And you have, you have to really trust the person to give away that type of power. I think. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Definitely. We live kind of remotely in the desert. And so the services of a hypnotherapist, you know, not easy to come by out here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:19:16] Um, well, I think, I think we're definitely going to have to do a part two to this. Okay. All right. We'd love to. Um, one, one little theory that I've, I've spoke about a few times in here that I'd love to get your guys' opinion on. Just, I don't, cause I never know how much I believe it, but I just really love the theory that all humans are aliens and like no, no humans are not from this planet. Yeah. And it explains.

[01:19:45] That's the second half of our book. Yeah. Like it sort of explains why like people, like, you know, people have asthma, like, you know, we're allergic to frigging oxygen that apparently we need to breathe. People are allergic to bloody pollen and everything. And people are allergic to so many things. It's why we get so much back pain because the gravity on this planet is actually too much for. And our circadian rhythms, uh, revert to Mars. They're astronauts, you know, they go up in space. Our astronauts go up in space. Their circadian rhythms revert to.

[01:20:14] The rhythm of Mars. The Martian planet. Yeah. Yeah. Even, even Coco the gorilla. You want, when she was asking me, Coco the gorilla with the famous, like she like had this, like, you know, kitty cat is like her friend. Yeah. She was asked like, you know, where humans come from. And she said up there, it says humans down here, things die. Humans up there. Things. Okay. You know, it's just like, you know, using sign language. She was saying, you know, humans are, you guys are not from here.

[01:20:43] You know, that's depressing. Yeah. That is depressing actually. Yeah. I mean, the, uh, the Anunnaki and, uh, the history of our planet. And we go into that a little bit in our book. For one thing, we think that our cousins have been playing God to us for thousands of years. Yeah.

[01:21:08] We think they, they pretended to be gods so that they can kind of control us and steer us to a certain extent. Um, this story is about them coming back to the surface. We think, um, okay. So the 12,000 years ago, they're underground. We think about 10,000 years ago, they came back to the surface to help us survive. Yeah. We talked about that actually. The humanity was about to die out. All these stories talk about the same thing.

[01:21:35] We were reverting to barbarism and cannibalism. Right. And we were this close to just being snuffed out when all these gods came to different parts of the world and, uh, brought us back civilization. Yeah. We talked about the Vercoches, right? Disappear. We think that our alien cousins took pity on us. Yeah.

[01:21:59] Uh, that, you know, the cataclysm with the flood was just too much, you know, and, uh, and almost snuffed us out and they need us. So we think they took pity on us, came back to the surface, kind of steered us back into civilization and then left again. Yeah. They're okay now. They can run the thing at themselves now. Yeah.

[01:22:23] Um, but yeah, like I said, I think, I think we're definitely going to have to do a part-time to this because like I said, we've not even touched on your book yet. So. Yeah. There's lots to go into. We've been going an hour and 20 minutes now. And I think so. I think we're definitely going to have to come back and do a part-time to talk about that properly. See what I mean? I was telling you, it's hard to get through all the stuff we talk about in just an hour and a half. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, before we finish, do you want to let our listeners know where they can find you, find your book, find your show as well?

[01:22:54] Absolutely. Um, our show, and we're very happy with our new show, uh, we've got about 22 episodes out now. It's called Abductions 101, UFOs and the Paranormal Connection. And it's on the Gnostic TV network at GnosticTV.com. Yes. Again, that's Abductions 101, UFOs and the Paranormal Connection. Yeah. And you can find our book on Amazon and Ingram.

[01:23:20] Uh, and it, uh, it's called Who They Are and What They're Up To by Leslie and Stephen Shaw. And we have a website. It's whothearebook.com. And, uh, we're on Instagram and Facebook at leslie.shaw.author. And we'd love to, if you have questions out there in, in, uh, Radioland, uh, podcast world, uh, if you have questions for us, feel free to DM us at, uh, the Instagram and we'll, we'll get back to you.

[01:23:50] And don't forget our documentary too. Oh yes, that's right. Uh, we did a documentary with, um. Sky Island Storytelling. Yeah, they did a great job. We're just really proud of it. It's on YouTube. It's called Who They Are. Right. Nice. It's got 401,000 views so far. Yeah. The response is amazing. Yeah. Well, well, I'm definitely going to have to watch that then. But yeah. Right then guys, I think we shall leave it there. Leslie, Stephen, uh, thank you for coming on the podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure speaking to you both.

[01:24:20] Thank you, Liam. Already can't wait for part two. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Right then guys, we shall leave it there and we shall speak to you next time. Billy might be here. Probably not. I highly doubt it. But yeah. This podcast is part of Podomity, the UK's podcast comedy network.

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